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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: wilts rover on January 01, 2021, 04:13:34 pm
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According to focus groups in the 'red wall' Johnson has gone from being among the most popular world leaders - to the least. With public trust in government now at its lowest since the expenses scandal.
How did this happen:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/30/2020-boris-johnson-public-trust-goodwill-barnard-castle
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According to focus groups in the 'red wall' Johnson has gone from being among the most popular world leaders - to the least. With public trust in government now at its lowest since the expenses scandal.
How did this happen:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/30/2020-boris-johnson-public-trust-goodwill-barnard-castle
You have an untrue statement in that post wilts.
It says that Johnson has gone on to become to the least favourite leader in the World but your link says that he is near the bottom of the least favourite leaders.
Funnily enough though, I don’t recall vsc forum posters to be amongst those who thought he was the most popular leader in the Western World.
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How did it happen? He was Prime Minister for a year.
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It was inevitable.
He's a superb campaigner because that's all about salesmanship.
He's a shit leader because that's all about getting detail right and making hard, unpopular decisions and he's notoriously bad at both of those things.
There was always going to be a rally round the flag effect when the virus first hit, and a personal sympathy for him when he was ill. But those fade when people see botched decision after botched decision, and an appalling lack of judgement in not firing Cummings in May. It leads to an air of incompetence and cronyism and once you have that smell, it's bloody hard to get shut of it.
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If the ever so neutral Guardian report is correct and Boris is THAT unpopular in the UK, who knows, it might even mean the Tories are more unelectable than the Labour party!
Good God, if that is true we really are in trouble.
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According to focus groups in the 'red wall' Johnson has gone from being among the most popular world leaders - to the least. With public trust in government now at its lowest since the expenses scandal.
How did this happen:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/30/2020-boris-johnson-public-trust-goodwill-barnard-castle
You have an untrue statement in that post wilts.
It says that Johnson has gone on to become to the least favourite leader in the World but your link says that he is near the bottom of the least favourite leaders.
Funnily enough though, I don’t recall vsc forum posters to be amongst those who thought he was the most popular leader in the Western World.
Yes my post is a short precis of the article intended to get you to read the article. It isn't a statement.
You need to read the article to gather the full information - which is taken from answers provided people in a focus group to the author - and nothing whatsoever to do with me.
I would have thought this is a pretty worrying trend when what the public need most now is trust in government. Clearly some people dont.
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If the ever so neutral Guardian report is correct and Boris is THAT unpopular in the UK, who knows, it might even mean the Tories are more unelectable than the Labour party!
Good God, if that is true we really are in trouble.
It's not a report. It's feedback from focus groups in the 'red wall'.
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You can call it what you want. I call it one-sided reporting.
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You can call it what you want. I call it one-sided reporting.
Whose side are Morning Consult on?
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What, in our Lord Jesus Christ has that got to do with it?
The Guardian reported on it because it was a poll that came out in favour of the Labour party. Had it came out in favour of the Tory party they wouldn't have reported on it because it is a lefty biased rag.
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What, in our Lord Jesus Christ has that got to do with it?
The Guardian reported on it because it was a poll that came out in favour of the Labour party. Had it came out in favour of the Tory party they wouldn't have reported on it because it is a lefty biased rag.
The Morning Consult poll referred to in the article wasn't. If you can't grasp that simple piece of information, what in Our Lord Jesus Christ are you getting your knickers in a twist for? The only one looking one-sided is you. Have you even bothered looking at the link at all because you don't appear to have.
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Who the f**k said it was? YOU mentioned the Morning Consult!
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What, in our Lord Jesus Christ has that got to do with it?
The Guardian reported on it because it was a poll that came out in favour of the Labour party. Had it came out in favour of the Tory party they wouldn't have reported on it because it is a lefty biased rag.
Which poll didn't they publish which so offended you bb?
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Slightly off the topic of the PM, but I think the MSM, on the whole, have done a pretty good job in destroying public trust.
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What, in our Lord Jesus Christ has that got to do with it?
The Guardian reported on it because it was a poll that came out in favour of the Labour party. Had it came out in favour of the Tory party they wouldn't have reported on it because it is a lefty biased rag.
Difficult to know which is the more depressing possibility.
The thought that BB actually believes this nonsense, or the thought that he doesn't.
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BST, don't be silly, I don't believe any of the nonsense Wilts says!
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Who the f**k said it was? YOU mentioned the Morning Consult!
Why did you say the Morning Consult poll was in favour of the Labour Party when it was nothing of the sort??
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Where did I say that?
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BST, don't be silly, I don't believe any of the nonsense Wilts says!
That's very wise.
However if you don't believe what members of the public are telling the organister of a focus group at various point throughout the year because of what newspaper it is printed in - thats weird.
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Where did I say I don't believe it?
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Got set of hair splitters for xmas again bb?
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As it happens........ I haven't quite managed to split fanny hairs with them yet, though.
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Where did I say that?
The Guardian reported on it because it was a poll that came out in favour of the Labour party.
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Where did I mention Morning Call? I was referring to focus groups in the 'red wall', as was Wilts.
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Where did I mention Morning Call? I was referring to focus groups in the 'red wall', as was Wilts.
Then you should have said that you were talking about focus groups and not talking about polls, making a pillock of yourself, no?
And you still haven't said what side you think the Morning Consult poll was taking in the article you say is one-sided. If you don't clarify that then you saying a poll that says Boris is the most popular leader being reported by the Guardian only because it favours Labour makes you look like an even bigger pillock, no?
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School unions telling teachers not to work in an unsafe environment and headteachers saying they won't discipline teachers for not going into work.
So a school strike now to top things off.
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School unions telling teachers not to work in an unsafe environment and headteachers saying they won't discipline teachers for not going into work.
So a school strike now to top things off.
That will suit the Govt and local Govts, no pay in a strike, you just wonder if that is what they are after. The other important point is will Teachers be covered by the Health and Safety act should they be forced to work where their health is put at a inow risk
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There are emergency meetings going on now. Teachers lawyers are demanding evidence that opening schools is safe.
I suspect the government will cave and at least announce a postponement to the beginning of term.
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Where did I mention Morning Call? I was referring to focus groups in the 'red wall', as was Wilts.
Then you should have said that you were talking about focus groups and not talk about polls making a pillock of yourself, no?
And you still haven't said what side you think the Morning Consult poll was taking in the article you say is one-sided. If you don't clarify that then you saying a poll that says Boris is the most popular leader being reported by the Guardian only because it favours Labour makes you look like an even bigger pillock, no?
What I should have said is my post is aimed at people who have a reasonable understanding of the English language, and therefore not suitable for the Mr Wiggerly's of this world.
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Humpty Bentley has spoken! "When I use a word," Humpty Bentley said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
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Mr Wiggerly, no matter how much you wiggle it won't change the fact that you're wrong, as usual. I can't for the life of me understand why you're such a bad loser after all the vast experience you have of it.
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Now you've become Humpty Trumpty!
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Mr Wiggerly, despite your frequent experiences of being wrong it appears that your sophomania remains intact. A big symptom of that is the sufferer continues to wiggle along and then claims victory when his opponent stops replying through sheer boredom.
He feels unbeatable when the real reason is he's unbearable.
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I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago.
PS Only one person has 'claimed victory' in this thread and it ain't me. I presume anyone who reads the thread will spot who it was.
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Anyone who reads the thread is probably bored shitless with your squabble.
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All I wanted was a straight answer to a straight question. Still haven't got it.
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Anyone who reads the thread is probably bored shitless with your squabble.
I blame the poster who started it...
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A government adviser who was sacked after a confrontation with Dominic Cummings says she was "never given a reason" for her dismissal.
Sonia Khan, who was escorted from Downing Street by a police officer, told BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour the incident set "a dangerous precedent".
She reached an out of court settlement with the government in November 2020.
Downing Street said ministers should be able to sack advisers "if they lose confidence in them".
This was a "long-standing provision of successive governments", a No 10 spokesperson added.
A bit rich from a government that has trashed conventions L,R & C.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55530711
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There's been a lot of work going into making us lose trust in organisations this last few years. Much of it coming from very strange sources.
Have a look at this thread.
https://mobile.twitter.com/TrollZoo/status/1348302835134427136
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It gets back to people allowing themselves to be persuaded to support moves that will in the end undermine their own position and be a retrograde step.
added: persuaded/manipulated
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I'll just leave this here without comment....
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/boris-johnson-spotted-cycling-seven-miles-from-downing-street-in-olympic-park/ar-BB1cExO9?li=BBoPRmx&ocid=mailsignout
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I'll just leave this here without comment....
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/boris-johnson-spotted-cycling-seven-miles-from-downing-street-in-olympic-park/ar-BB1cExO9?li=BBoPRmx&ocid=mailsignout
do you think he has broke the rules?
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I'll just leave this here without comment....
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/boris-johnson-spotted-cycling-seven-miles-from-downing-street-in-olympic-park/ar-BB1cExO9?li=BBoPRmx&ocid=mailsignout
do you think he has broke the rules?
Do you think he hasn't?
(https://i.imgur.com/PhUg0ke.jpg)
Exercise. This should be limited to once a day and you should not travel outside of your local area
https://www.london.gov.uk/coronavirus/coronavirus-what-you-need-know
Hyde Park is just around the corner from where he lives, i.e. LOCAL.
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I'll just leave this here without comment....
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/boris-johnson-spotted-cycling-seven-miles-from-downing-street-in-olympic-park/ar-BB1cExO9?li=BBoPRmx&ocid=mailsignout
do you think he has broke the rules?
Is 7 miles away 'his local area'?
Derbyshire police don't think so when they fine walkers from 5 miles away.
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Sunday is exempt from social distancing, as the people of Crosby
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I'll just leave this here without comment....
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/boris-johnson-spotted-cycling-seven-miles-from-downing-street-in-olympic-park/ar-BB1cExO9?li=BBoPRmx&ocid=mailsignout
do you think he has broke the rules?
Do you think he hasn't?
(https://i.imgur.com/PhUg0ke.jpg)
Exercise. This should be limited to once a day and you should not travel outside of your local area
https://www.london.gov.uk/coronavirus/coronavirus-what-you-need-know
Hyde Park is just around the corner from where he lives, i.e. LOCAL.
i think he has not as he is cycling on I'll just leave this here without comment....
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/boris-johnson-spotted-cycling-seven-miles-from-downing-street-in-olympic-park/ar-BB1cExO9?li=BBoPRmx&ocid=mailsignout
do you think he has broke the rules?
Do you think he hasn't?
(https://i.imgur.com/PhUg0ke.jpg)
Exercise. This should be limited to once a day and you should not travel outside of your local area
https://www.london.gov.uk/coronavirus/coronavirus-what-you-need-know
Hyde Park is just around the corner from where he lives, i.e. LOCAL.
do you think he has?
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There is no problem with what he as done as there was nothing wrong with what the 2 girls did, maybe you think differently?
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I love the irony in that report about Johnson.
He goes out for a jolly old cycle ride halfway across London from his home. And apparently, while there, he was concerned at how many people were out there not sticking to the rules.
The lack of self-awareness would be astounding in anyone who hadn't built a life and a career on denying the truth.
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Halfway across london lol you really do stoop low to score points, can you show me where in the rules it says you can’t cycle 7 miles? If you do I will of course apologise, cycling is very good for you mental health and general well being, but if you count it as just a jolly outing so be it
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Bpool
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home#exercising
"You should not travel outside your local area".
I live 2 mile from the Peak District. I have the homes of, maybe 50,000 people between me and the Peak District. I've taken that Govt guidance to mean that i should not travel to the Peak District for exercise.
Johnson lives 7 miles from that park. With the homes of maybe 2 million people between him and there.
Defend him by all means if you want, but I'm seriously starting to think that with you, it's never about trying to establish what it correct - it's about wanting the other side to be wrong.
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He is on a push bike lol, when rovers play Scunthorpe would you class that as a local derby? I wonder if there are any cyclists on this forum that have travelled 7 miles?and the guidelines do not state you can’t travel there do they?
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The guidance says this is "your village, town or the part of a city where you live".
This should be done locally wherever possible, but you can travel a short distance within your area to do so if necessary.
Public outdoor places where you can conduct your daily exercise includes:
parks, beaches, countryside accessible to the public, forests
public gardens (whether or not you pay to enter them)
the grounds of a heritage site
playgrounds
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Halfway across london lol you really do stoop low to score points, can you show me where in the rules it says you can’t cycle 7 miles? If you do I will of course apologise, cycling is very good for you mental health and general well being, but if you count it as just a jolly outing so be it
If he wanted to cycle seven or more miles, what was stopping him from doing it in a circle and therefore staying in his local area?
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The guidance says this is "your village, town or the part of a city where you live".
This should be done locally wherever possible, but you can travel a short distance within your area to do so if necessary.
Public outdoor places where you can conduct your daily exercise includes:
parks, beaches, countryside accessible to the public, forests
public gardens (whether or not you pay to enter them)
the grounds of a heritage site
playgrounds
Which of those categories do the miles of urban streets he cycled down to get to the Olympic Park fall into?
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When you go for a walk Glynn do you walk round in circles?
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When you go for a walk Glynn do you walk round in circles?
I'm disabled, so I drive.
Now answer the fecking question you've been asked.
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Let’s wait and see if the police prosecute him, then we will have the answer
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When you go for a walk Glynn do you walk round in circles?
Answer the fecking question.
cycling 7 miles is in his local area
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Let’s wait and see if the police prosecute him, then we will have the answer
I see, get a question you can't truthfully answer and so you turn round and want someone else to answer it instead.
Coward.
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When you go for a walk Glynn do you walk round in circles?
Answer the fecking question.
cycling 7 miles is in his local area
Westminster is his local area. Not fecking Stratford.
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Let’s wait and see if the police prosecute him, then we will have the answer
I see, get a question you can't truthfully answer and so you turn round and want someone else to answer it instead.
Coward.
I have already answered your question above so maybe rather than call me a coward you should say sorry
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The guidance says this is "your village, town or the part of a city where you live"
This should be done locally wherever possible, but you can travel a short distance within your area to do so if necessary.
Public outdoor places where you can conduct your daily exercise includes:
parks, beaches, countryside accessible to the public, forests
public gardens (whether or not you pay to enter them)
the grounds of a heritage site
playgrounds
You even say it yourself. He didn't stay in the part of the city he lives in.
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He went 7 miles to me that is local and no apology then when I had answered
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Let’s wait and see if the police prosecute him, then we will have the answer
I see, get a question you can't truthfully answer and so you turn round and want someone else to answer it instead.
Coward.
I have already answered your question above so maybe rather than call me a coward you should say sorry
I must have missed your answer because I can't see one.
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Above the post you called me a coward
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He went 7 miles to me that is local and no apology then when I had answered
It doesn't matter a feck 'what you think'. Did he travel within the part of the city he lives in, as defined by the lockdown regulations?
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tbf - I think you can exercise once a day for as long as you like as long as you "stay local"
Given that those 2 women got fined for driving 5 miles to somewere in Peak District because it was "not local" according to poilice this could get interesting (but of course WONT)
Critics of the guidelines say (in the womens defence) there is no definition of what consitutes "local" and so I reckon any good brief could get them off as it and Johnsons case rest on whay exactly IS local ?
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Above the post you called me a coward
No apology until you say whether he stayed within the part of the city he lives in or not, as per the lockdown rules you quoted yourself.
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Lol ok you called me a coward for not answering not if you agreed with the answer or not, I’m not wasting my time with you glyn let’s just ignore each other, take care
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See a few replies went in - so after reading them I went to GOV UK and copied this IN ITS ENTIRETY. It is every word in the excercise section
You should minimise time spent outside your home, but you can leave your home to exercise. This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.
You can exercise in a public outdoor place:
by yourself
with the people you live with
with your support bubble (if you are legally permitted to form one)
in a childcare bubble where providing childcare
or, when on your own, with 1 person from another household
This includes but is not limited to running, cycling, walking, and swimming. Personal training can continue one-on-one unless everyone is within the same household or support bubble.
Public outdoor places include:
parks, beaches, countryside accessible to the public, forests
public gardens (whether or not you pay to enter them)
NOTE (this is me again) Nowhere in this does it define staing in your own s=Street town or oart of a town - it just says stay LOCAL. THere is no definition if that is within a mile of your house - 5 miles from your house or within 10 miles of your house and that is the trouble with it
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Why bother wasting your time quoting lockdown rules if you're then not going to agree with them...?
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2 women got fined for driving 5 miles the other day for excercise, that is under review now I believe to be fair. The joy of public service is you are held to a higher standard, if he's gone 7 miles that's out of order and as with the Cummings mess makes it impossible for it to be policed
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Yes I exonerated them in #66 just above lol
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See a few replies went in - so after reading them I went to GOV UK and copied this IN ITS ENTIRETY. It is every word in the excercise section
You should minimise time spent outside your home, but you can leave your home to exercise. This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.
You can exercise in a public outdoor place:
by yourself
with the people you live with
with your support bubble (if you are legally permitted to form one)
in a childcare bubble where providing childcare
or, when on your own, with 1 person from another household
This includes but is not limited to running, cycling, walking, and swimming. Personal training can continue one-on-one unless everyone is within the same household or support bubble.
Public outdoor places include:
parks, beaches, countryside accessible to the public, forests
public gardens (whether or not you pay to enter them)
NOTE (this is me again) Nowhere in this does it define staing in your own s=Street town or oart of a town - it just says stay LOCAL. THere is no definition if that is within a mile of your house - 5 miles from your house or within 10 miles of your house and that is the trouble with it
that is the problem wolf to some 7 miles is local to some it is not, the rules should be clearer maybe and say you can travel so many miles, a friend of mine goes out on his bike and travels a little further away probably than he should but the roads where he lives are still quite busy and not ideal for being a cyclist on so he goes where it’s quiet and safer, I wouldn’t class him as breaking the law as he goes near no other person
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Bpool
It is about simple bloody common sense.
There are several parks MUCH closer to Downing Street.
Hyde Park
St James's Park
Regent's Park
Battersea Park
Burgess Park
Clapham Common
It's about setting a bloody EXAMPLE!
We had Hancock on Marr yesterday morning complaining that people weren't sticking to the guidelines and were pushing at the boundaries. If that is the case, it is absolutely vital that the PM is absolutely on the money in terms of setting an example. At the VERY least, what he has done is utterly stupid.
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You quoted clearer rules yourself (ie 'the part of a city where you live').
Are you now saying you were wrong and these aren't the rules?
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Bpool
It is about simple bloody common sense.
There are several parks MUCH closer to Downing Street.
Hyde Park
St James's Park
Regent's Park
Battersea Park
Burgess Park
Clapham Common
It's about setting a bloody EXAMPLE!
We had Hancock on Marr yesterday morning complaining that people weren't sticking to the guidelines and were pushing at the boundaries. If that is the case, it is absolutely vital that the PM is absolutely on the money in terms of setting an example. At the VERY least, what he has done is utterly stupid.
Add Green Park to that list.
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Bpool
It is about simple bloody common sense.
There are several parks MUCH closer to Downing Street.
Hyde Park
St James's Park
Regent's Park
Battersea Park
Burgess Park
Clapham Common
It's about setting a bloody EXAMPLE!
We had Hancock on Marr yesterday morning complaining that people weren't sticking to the guidelines and were pushing at the boundaries. If that is the case, it is absolutely vital that the PM is absolutely on the money in terms of setting an example. At the VERY least, what he has done is utterly stupid.
Add Green Park to that list.
Add going round and round Trafalgar Square. At least it's still in Westminter.
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I wonder how bpool would react if Keir Starmer did this.
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... tell him to get on his bike ?
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Have a go at me for I made a rod for my own back, when support bubbles first were introduced i made one with my partner and her family. I'm in Newcastle she's back home in Donny. According to the letter of the rules that's OK which shows the madness of it.
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I wonder if this thread would have got this long if corbyn or any other labour mp had gone on a 7 mile bike ride
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I wonder if this thread would have got this long if corbyn or any other labour mp had gone on a 7 mile bike ride
Hahahahahahaha right on cue.
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I wonder if this thread would have got this long if corbyn or any other labour mp had gone on a 7 mile bike ride
But..... but......but.....Corbyn......
The default answer when nothing else works
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The bloke in charge could be Johnny Vegas for all it matters . He sets the tone for the rest of us and said he shouldn't push guidelines., if he can do 7 mile on his bike , how can a copper stop any one now for doing that.
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The bloke in charge could be Johnny Vegas for all it matters . He sets the tone for the rest of us and said he shouldn't push guidelines., if he can do 7 mile on his bike , how can a copper stop any one now for doing that.
police should not be stopping anyone for cycling 7 miles in the first place
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Apparently Johnson was 'concerned by what he saw in the area'.
Did he not think maybe the park was busy because people were coming from 7 miles away - and not leaving when they saw it was busy?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-cycle-7-miles-downing-street-olympic-park-b827961.html
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Hancock also says if you go for a long walk and end up 7 miles away that is fine
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Hancock also says if you go for a long walk and end up 7 miles away that is fine
Hancock also says behave like you have the virus
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Hancock also says if you go for a long walk and end up 7 miles away that is fine
Hancock also says behave like you have the virus
what has he done that might infect someone? Did he follow social distancing? Have you any stats how many people have passed the virus on while cycling?
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Hahahaha, what does he actually have to do for you to condemn his behaviour? Come to your house and write "Boris" in shite on your front door?
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Hancock also says if you go for a long walk and end up 7 miles away that is fine
Hancock also says behave like you have the virus
what has he done that might infect someone? Did he follow social distancing? Have you any stats how many people have passed the virus on while cycling?
You wouldn’t be going out on your bike if you had the virus
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Hancock also says if you go for a long walk and end up 7 miles away that is fine
Hancock also says behave like you have the virus
what has he done that might infect someone? Did he follow social distancing? Have you any stats how many people have passed the virus on while cycling?
You wouldn’t be going out on your bike if you had the virus
you might not no you had the virus
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The bloke in charge could be Johnny Vegas for all it matters . He sets the tone for the rest of us and said he shouldn't push guidelines., if he can do 7 mile on his bike , how can a copper stop any one now for doing that.
police should not be stopping anyone for cycling 7 miles in the first place
Not even when they leave the city they live in?
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Hancock also says if you go for a long walk and end up 7 miles away that is fine
Hancock also says behave like you have the virus
what has he done that might infect someone? Did he follow social distancing? Have you any stats how many people have passed the virus on while cycling?
You wouldn’t be going out on your bike if you had the virus
you might not no you had the virus
So you should be acting as if you have it regardless so as to not unwittingly pass it on. No?
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Janso I’m not going to condemn him as I
Don’t don’t believe he has done anything wrong, if starmer does the same I will say the same thing, do you honestly believe that cycling 7 miles is wrong or is it because he is a Tory?
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Hancock also says if you go for a long walk and end up 7 miles away that is fine
Hancock also says behave like you have the virus
what has he done that might infect someone? Did he follow social distancing? Have you any stats how many people have passed the virus on while cycling?
You wouldn’t be going out on your bike if you had the virus
you might not no you had the virus
So you should be acting as if you have it regardless so as to not unwittingly pass it on. No?
how many people have passed it on while cycling? At a guess you would be more likely passing it on going for a walk nearer people
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Janso I’m not going to condemn him as I
Don’t don’t believe he has done anything wrong, if starmer does the same I will say the same thing, do you honestly believe that cycling 7 miles is wrong or is it because he is a Tory?
It's wrong because it contravenes the very regulations you posted yourself.
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Janso I’m not going to condemn him as I
Don’t don’t believe he has done anything wrong, if starmer does the same I will say the same thing, do you honestly believe that cycling 7 miles is wrong or is it because he is a Tory?
No, it's because he's the Prime Minister and he's going against rules he himself is arguing people need to stick to. Are you defending him to the hilt because he's a Tory?
You don't half choose some bizarre hills to die on.
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What rules has he gone against? He has travelled 7 miles most I would think would say that is pretty local you don’t think so which is fair enough, but it does make any of us right or wrong as it’s down to interpretation
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Hancock also says if you go for a long walk and end up 7 miles away that is fine
Hancock also says behave like you have the virus
what has he done that might infect someone? Did he follow social distancing? Have you any stats how many people have passed the virus on while cycling?
You wouldn’t be going out on your bike if you had the virus
you might not no you had the virus
But Hancock said behave like you have the virus
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What rules has he gone against? He has travelled 7 miles most I would think would say that is pretty local you don’t think so which is fair enough, but it does make any of us right or wrong as it’s down to interpretation
How many times does it have to be repeated? And no, it's not open to interpretation, it's very specific. It must be true, you posted it in this very thread.
The guidance says this is "your village, town or the part of a city where you live"
He didn't even stay in the same city!
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Just about every person I have seen comment on the 2 girls travelling 5 miles to go for a walk say they have done nothing wrong and I fully agree, I presume all the ones saying boris has done something wrong agree they should be fined?
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What rules has he gone against? He has travelled 7 miles most I would think would say that is pretty local you don’t think so which is fair enough, but it does make any of us right or wrong as it’s down to interpretation
How mny times does it have to be repeated?
The guidance says this is "your village, town or the part of a city where you live"
He didn't even stay in the same city!
Glynn in some villages you would get to walk about 400 yards
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Just about every person I have seen comment on the 2 girls travelling 5 miles to go for a walk say they have done nothing wrong and I fully agree, I presume all the ones saying boris has done something wrong agree they should be fined?
If they've contravened the regulations you've posted, then yes they should be fined.
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What rules has he gone against? He has travelled 7 miles most I would think would say that is pretty local you don’t think so which is fair enough, but it does make any of us right or wrong as it’s down to interpretation
How mny times does it have to be repeated?
The guidance says this is "your village, town or the part of a city where you live"
He didn't even stay in the same city!
Glynn in some villages you would get to walk about 400 yards
Then tough. Go round in circles for a longer walk. And nothing at all to do with Boris. Try again.
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Then tough lol great answer
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Then tough lol great answer
At least I give one and don't wimp out.
Now then, what about someone who doesn't even stay in the same city they live in? Do we get a great answer to that one or not?
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Just about every person I have seen comment on the 2 girls travelling 5 miles to go for a walk say they have done nothing wrong and I fully agree, I presume all the ones saying boris has done something wrong agree they should be fined?
If they've contravened the regulations you've posted, then yes they should be fined.
Not to mention, they aren't the f**king Prime Minister, and while they should be fined, they're not the ones expected to be setting an example for the nation.
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Bpool.
What about this is so hard to understand?
The VITAL thing here is that the guidelines are clear, and that ALL of us buy into them.
It is f**king ridiculous for Hancock one day to complain that people are not sticking to the spirit of the guidelines, then for Johnson to clearly breach the spirit of the guidelines. You're looking very, very silly arguing otherwise.
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I’m looking silly to you on many other social media sites they would say your looking rather silly
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Perhaps you'd be more at home with them?
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What’s your problem glyn I suggest you stop getting personal as your pissing me off now
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Got to love how you're more upset about someone saying you're making a prat of yourself on a forum than the actual leader of the country wazzing all over his own rules while essentially blaming the public at large for the current situation.
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Making a prat of myself as I
Don’t agree with him, so what is that a problem? Every post I have made for the last year he jumps
On, he might not agree like bst doesn’t but the difference is some people go about it in a nice way, but I inboxed glyn asking to just leave it as were all rovers fans in the end but for some reason he does not want to, but I will leave it to himself now
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I still didn't get an answer to whether he thinks Boris has contravened the regulations he himself posted. I can see now its not going to happen.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-derbyshire-55625062
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They say sorry for the fine for them travelling a short distance, that short distance being a whopping 2 miles less than boris travelled by bike
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This from an eyewitness:
"He was leisurely cycling with another guy with a beanie hat and chatting, while around four security guys, possibly more, cycled behind them"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55620138
This from the 10 Downing Street Press Briefing today:
No 10 source "very firmly" rejects idea PM may have broken rules w/ Olympic bike ride.
"There isn't anything in the rules that says you can't drive somewhere in order to take exercise. It says is that you must exercise locally. We very deliberately never put a distance on it."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1348703300242313218
The Prime Minister allowed to cycle 7 miles (14 miles actually if they rode back again) on London streets without wearing a cycle helmet, really?
They drove there didn't they - and then went for a ride through the Park!!!!
And here - 10 Downing Street refused to say if he had been driven there:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/11/pm-under-pressure-over-bike-ride-seven-miles-from-no-10-boris-johnson-covid
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Your allowed to drive a short distance if they did drive as Derbyshire police have said in my above link
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Let's all drive to Barnard Castle! Last one there's a wet teabag!
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So now the police have clarified that there is no rules how far you can travel for exercise has anyone changed there mind?
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So now the police have clarified that there is no rules how far you can travel for exercise has anyone changed there mind?
Well, have you changed your mind about those rules you told us all about in the first place?
PS I never mentioned any milage, you kept doing that.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-derbyshire-55625062
Sensible (see my Post #66)
Without a definition of "local" being a fixed mileage then they should never have been done. Johnson also in the clear because it says I am sure you can go out once a day for excercise
I remember in previous Lockdown(s) you could drive (an unspecified distance) - to excercise as long as the exercise was at least as long as the drive itself. So drive to Cleethorpes under those rules. 70 mph = 40 minutes and then an hour or even 2 walking but way beyond the spirit they are trying to "invoke"
Im not saying the rules are right but while ever you have unspecified "guidelines" they will be ignored by some - whereas if you have clearly specified rules i.e do not park on Yellow Lines they are still ignored by some.
So we cant wn either way. Personally I try to think everyone else "has it" and look at ways that they could get me. Staying at home as much as possible - going to shops once. Sanitise the Trolley (but why do you have to touch the Trolley to wheel it to the sanitiser ?). Wear a Mask - I know I havnt got it so I see it as a layer of protection (literally) and a win win , if I have picked it up then I am protecting others. I avoid take aways now having an odd Coffee only because I dont know the status of those in (insert your fav takeaway here) & so I stay away from them
I am closing in on a big birthday and Mrs DW is disappointed we cant "do something" and I can see that but in truth I dont care. I am alive and my goal is to stay that way and how stupid would it be to go to (say) Fuerteventura to celebrate - catch "it" and then die as a result of going rather than not going not catching "it" BUT being able to go for many more times afterwards on any day of any month in any year
She is right about one thing though I DO go on too LONG
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It was odd how you could fine a couple of ladies for drinking their own 'picnic' cofffee and yet they could perfectly legitimitly go and buy takeaway coffee.
Particularly since the homemade coffee from a flask is actually safer.
One thing they could do, if they want to clamp down harder is close takeaways. As Wolf says, you don't know the status of the people working in them. You could quite easily be handling infected packaging.
Then there is the staff themselves, who are open to infection from colleagues or even customers. My mate managed to inadvertently infect all the staff at a fish and chip shop takeaway. It must be easily done. God knows how many customers might then have been exposed, and then I imagine those staff all took it home with them. And on it goes.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-derbyshire-55625062
Sensible (see my Post #66)
Without a definition of "local" being a fixed mileage then they should never have been done. Johnson also in the clear because it says I am sure you can go out once a day for excercise
I remember in previous Lockdown(s) you could drive (an unspecified distance) - to excercise as long as the exercise was at least as long as the drive itself. So drive to Cleethorpes under those rules. 70 mph = 40 minutes and then an hour or even 2 walking but way beyond the spirit they are trying to "invoke"
Im not saying the rules are right but while ever you have unspecified "guidelines" they will be ignored by some - whereas if you have clearly specified rules i.e do not park on Yellow Lines they are still ignored by some.
So we cant wn either way. Personally I try to think everyone else "has it" and look at ways that they could get me. Staying at home as much as possible - going to shops once. Sanitise the Trolley (but why do you have to touch the Trolley to wheel it to the sanitiser ?). Wear a Mask - I know I havnt got it so I see it as a layer of protection (literally) and a win win , if I have picked it up then I am protecting others. I avoid take aways now having an odd Coffee only because I dont know the status of those in (insert your fav takeaway here) & so I stay away from them
I am closing in on a big birthday and Mrs DW is disappointed we cant "do something" and I can see that but in truth I dont care. I am alive and my goal is to stay that way and how stupid would it be to go to (say) Fuerteventura to celebrate - catch "it" and then die as a result of going rather than not going not catching "it" BUT being able to go for many more times afterwards on any day of any month in any year
She is right about one thing though I DO go on too LONG
Interesting isn't it that seemingly nobody in public life is willing to make a straight admission that they got it wrong. Derbyshire police were quick to make a statement following the initial reporting of the case saying the officers were right and now "it is right that we have taken this action." So, they were right to fine the women and they were right to rescind the fines. Pathetic!
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They should never have fined the women. 5 miles from home is nothing and it was just a stupid interpretation. Equally neither has the pm done anything wrong, he's not at all far from home and much safer in an open park space. Let's just use common sense.
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They should never have fined the women. 5 miles from home is nothing and it was just a stupid interpretation. Equally neither has the pm done anything wrong, he's not at all far from home and much safer in an open park space. Let's just use common sense.
So, how far would he have to go for it to be too far BFYP? What is the boundary of 'Local'?
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They should never have fined the women. 5 miles from home is nothing and it was just a stupid interpretation. Equally neither has the pm done anything wrong, he's not at all far from home and much safer in an open park space. Let's just use common sense.
I agree in principle with that, the issue though is what has been said and the timings of what was said and the actions. Hancock first said it was right to fine them, then he said the PM has done nothing wrong and thats why they deliberately didn’t put a limit on how far people could travel to exercise, then after the PM’s story broke all of a sudden the Derbyshire Police cancel the fines. The ducking and diving in these two incidents alone is breathtaking
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Much as I despise the man and what he stands for, for me he's done nothing wrong. Nothing to say you can't drive anywhere for exercise and 7 miles on a bike is nothing compared to the distances many cyclists ride for exercise. We are surrounded by farmland so drive 2 miles to our "local" woods for our and our pups execise otherwise we would be walking around the streets of our village we have no parks other than childrens play parks and they are all locked.
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Unfortunately Raven some people think that’s just tough, it was clear that he had done nothing wrong people have seen the 2 ladies get fined and then on here they have jumped on the bandwagon rather than take it on face value that he has gone on a bike ride, but saying that I posted what you and another poster did and got abused for doing it, seems strange how there not doing that to everyone who disagrees, but each to there own
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Much as I despise the man and what he stands for, for me he's done nothing wrong. Nothing to say you can't drive anywhere for exercise and 7 miles on a bike is nothing compared to the distances many cyclists ride for exercise. We are surrounded by farmland so drive 2 miles to our "local" woods for our and our pups execise otherwise we would be walking around the streets of our village we have no parks other than childrens play parks and they are all locked.
There is according to what bpoolrover told us.
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Lol you just can’t accept your wrong you sad little man, I said he had done nothing wrong 2
Other posters have said the same thing but you won’t say anything to them, yes they write it better than I do but what they have said amounts to he same thing, I can’t understand what your issue is glyn and the fact that you won’t give in had now cost me a pint to so thanks for nothing!
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Matt Hancock was on two major tv shows on Sunday morning asking people not to 'bend the rules' and stay at home as much as possible.
Johnson took that advice to mean he could go cycling around the Olympic Park, 7 miles from home, when it was busy, mostly likely being driven there and back, with at least 5 other people he doesn't live with.
He has done nothing legally wrong - but as the leader of our country, what sort of moral and practical leadership was his action on Sunday setting?
PS - can't help but be fascinated by how Glyn cost you a pint bpool - did you throw it over in disgust or something!
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Lol you just can’t accept your wrong you sad little man, I said he had done nothing wrong 2
Other posters have said the same thing but you won’t say anything to them, yes they write it better than I do but what they have said amounts to he same thing, I can’t understand what your issue is glyn and the fact that you won’t give in had now cost me a pint to so thanks for nothing!
Nobody else posted what the official definition of 'local' is - you did. And you then ignored it from the moment you posted it and continue to ignore it now. Nobody else did that so quit the whataboutery.
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Matt Hancock was on two major tv shows on Sunday morning asking people not to 'bend the rules' and stay at home as much as possible.
Johnson took that advice to mean he could go cycling around the Olympic Park, 7 miles from home, when it was busy, mostly likely being driven there and back, with at least 5 other people he doesn't live with.
He has done nothing legally wrong - but as the leader of our country, what sort of moral and practical leadership was his action on Sunday setting?
PS - can't help but be fascinated by how Glyn cost you a pint bpool - did you throw it over in disgust or something!
Bpoolrover posted the definition of 'local'. ie:
The guidance says this is 'your village, town or the part of a city where you live'.
And ever since he posted that he has maintained that Boris has stayed within the official rules of locality he posted despite Boris not only not staying within the part of the city in which he lives, but not even staying within the same city!
I get the distinct impression that bpoolrover doesn't bother reading the stuff that he quotes.
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Lol you just can’t accept your wrong you sad little man, I said he had done nothing wrong 2
Other posters have said the same thing but you won’t say anything to them, yes they write it better than I do but what they have said amounts to he same thing, I can’t understand what your issue is glyn and the fact that you won’t give in had now cost me a pint to so thanks for nothing!
Nobody else posted what the official definition of 'local' is - you did. And you then ignored it from the moment you posted it and continue to ignore it now. Nobody else did that so quit the whataboutery.
Good luck, whataboutery is all he knows.
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I said all along 7 miles was local and if you lived in certain villages you would only be able to walk about 400 yards and you said tough lol anyway I’ll leave you and red to it
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I said all along 7 miles was local
The guidance says this is 'your village, town or the part of a city where you live'.
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I said all along 7 miles was local and if you lived in certain villages you would only be able to walk about 400 yards and you said tough lol anyway I’ll leave you and red to it
What would be the result if everyone within 7 miles of where johnson lives, within 7 miles of his destination or 7 miles at any point along the way went out with 5 other people bp? the 'lockdown' may as well be called off.
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Your not allowed out with 5 other people so that wouldn’t happen, if he had 5 and I don’t know I would think there security or someone, anyway I’m leaving this thread now, there are other people on this thread that think he has done nothing wrong so will leave it others
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and the other bit about everyone moving about? remember it doesn't have to be 7 miles it could be more.
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The police in Derbyshire rescinded the 2 ladies fines and said sorry because they had a right to travel there, that was 5 miles so please tell me the difference in 2 miles, where has it come from that 7 miles suddenly is not local? People are just making things up to suit
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I'm just going on what has been reported and suggesting that if everyone chose to determine themselves where and how far they went for exercise the lockdown would be history is all bp, same as in your own home I would think, if you and your partner did as you pleased it would encourage your kids to do the same and so on.
There is also the covering up shit, johnson by refusing to answer a simple question surrounding how he arrived at his destination is encouraging others to do the same I would have thought, is this your standard bp?
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The rules don’t state you can’t travel 7 miles by car, as I’ve said on a previous post the rules should possibly be changed to say how many miles you can or can’t travel but as the 2 ladies travelled 5 miles by car you would think it’s ok anyway do you not think?
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you'd make a good understudy for the PMs job bp
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Bp
Do you not see the point about the Govt setting an example when they are blaming people (as Hancock did explicitly at the weekend) of not sticking to the SPIRIT of the guidance?
Given that you never criticised Cummings last year, I guess not?
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Bst he has travelled 7 miles to me that is local to most people I would think that is local, look on other social media sites where it’s not all labour voters and you will find most people agree he has done nothing wrong
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The police in Derbyshire rescinded the 2 ladies fines and said sorry because they had a right to travel there, that was 5 miles so please tell me the difference in 2 miles, where has it come from that 7 miles suddenly is not local? People are just making things up to suit
The Derby Police rescinded that fine quite hastily, could it have been because the PMs jaunt had come to light?
It's still not clear if Boris cycled the 7 miles to East London or took the car. The chief of Police seems to think excercise should start and finish at your front door.
The government are asking us to abide by the spirit of the rules. Shouldn't they be leading by example?
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So in fewer words BP, you don't think he has a responsibility to set an example.
Can we move on now?
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Bst he has travelled 7 miles to me that is local to most people I would think that is local, look on other social media sites where it’s not all labour voters and you will find most people agree he has done nothing wrong
It's absolutely bizarre that you're making a party political issue out of whether or not the Prime Minister should be held to a higher standard than the average citizen. Especially during a pandemic, where HE has begged us to behave with common sense and abide to the spirit of the rules.
You are an oddball.
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Hancock has just been on the radio again this morning (correctly) stressing the importance of all of us sticking to the SPIRIT of the regulations.
It is simply stupid to claim that driving 7 miles across London to exercise, when there are 6-7 much closer parks, is sticking to the spirit of the regulations.
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I sometimes feel a bit sorry for Hancock. He gets decisions wrong but then he gets hung out to dry too and I get the feeling he is the one who is actually listening to his scientific advisors most. I bet his hands are well tied.
Door Matt indeed.
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I sometimes feel sorry for him.
Then I remember his role as a SpAd in the Treasury ten years ago, peddling the idiotic lie about Expansionary Fiscal Contraction that gave us the worst decade of economic performance since the Napoleonic Wars.
So, frankly, I hope the t**t never has a day of peace for the rest of his life.
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You follow these things much more keenly than I BST.
What is something that sounds as contradictory as expansionary contraction all about then?
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RD.
Standard economics says that when the private sector goes into recession, Govt spending should expand (fiscal expansion) to fill the gap. That means Governments borrowing and spending to keep the economy ticking over until the private sector gets its mojo back.
The political Right have never liked this because it goes against their philosophy that governments should stay out of economics. But it works. So for decades after the War, they gritted their teeth and accepted it.
10-12 years ago, after the GFC, all round the world, right wing politicians were aghast at the amount of Govt borrowing and spending required to drag us out of recession and save us going into another Great Depression. They started to fret that if Govt borrowing got too high, there would be dire economic consequences. They worried that the private sector would lose confidence and never bounce back.
It must be stressed that there was NEVER a scrap of reputable, well-founded evidence for this belief. There were a couple of highly-quoted academic papers on the topic which turned out to be based of scarcely credible fundamental mistakes. But the idea fitted the philosophy of the Right. Govt should keep out. Borrowing should be kept low.
Then a phrase started to be coined on the Right. If Govt borrowing was kept low through Austerity (fiscal contraction) the confidence that would give to the private sector would lead to an expansion in overall economic activity. Hence "Expansionary Fiscal Contraction".
It was all grade A ba-baa of course. It resulted in a catastrophic failure of growth after the GFC, with all the problems that led to (wage stagnation, cuts to education and NHS budgets, the rise of the populist Far Right, continued massive Govt deficits because the economy never recovered). But it sounded intelligent and thoughtful.
And who was the cheerleader for this in the UK? Matt f**king Hancock.
See the quote at the end of paragraph 3 here.
https://www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/more-multipliers-why-does-it-matter
So, as with so many on the Right, he was either too f**king thick to understand the extent of his own stupidity. Or he was wilfully and deliberately misrepresenting the truth for political purposes. Either way, it was that stance that gave us the disaster of Austerity.
t**t.
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Remember when Hancock pretended to cry on GMB, and just sorted of ended up doing a weird smirk at Piers Morgan? Whenever he gets hung out to dry I remember that moment. If it came out he was a lizard wearing human skin I wouldn't be surprised.
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Word of the day is ‘circumlocutionist’: one who consistently speaks in a roundabout way in order to avoid addressing a question directly.
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I sometimes feel a bit sorry for Hancock. He gets decisions wrong but then he gets hung out to dry too and I get the feeling he is the one who is actually listening to his scientific advisors most. I bet his hands are well tied.
Door Matt indeed.
Ah Matt Hancock - then man in charge of privatising the NHS:
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ournhs/terrifying-truth-about-those-deciding-future-nhs/
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Word of the day is ‘circumlocutionist’: one who consistently speaks in a roundabout way in order to avoid addressing a question directly.
Well that can be applied to every politician I have ever heard speak.
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Word of the day is ‘circumlocutionist’: one who consistently speaks in a roundabout way in order to avoid addressing a question directly.
Well that can be applied to every politician I have ever heard speak.
You've never heard Dennis Skinner speak then?
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Word of the day is ‘circumlocutionist’: one who consistently speaks in a roundabout way in order to avoid addressing a question directly.
Well that can be applied to every politician I have ever heard speak.
You've never heard Dennis Skinner speak then?
Yeah and even he has been evasive at times.
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Johnson was helped by Mogg, of course
https://twitter.com/jondharvey/status/1350132998436511746