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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Donnybax on January 16, 2021, 02:40:02 pm
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Sold to Cardiff
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Great move for him, see how he gets on.
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Around a Million......ifs buts and maybe’s
I think we should have developed him by sending out on a seasons loan...but eh,ohh...
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Makes you wonder if he has Mckay connections. Think he took his 2 sons there?
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Around a Million......ifs buts and maybe’s
I think we should have developed him by sending out on a seasons loan...but eh,ohh...
You appear to have picked up the forum trait shaggy.......hindsight that is.
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Around a Million......ifs buts and maybe’s
I think we should have developed him by sending out on a seasons loan...but eh,ohh...
It’s certainly one that was allowed to escape !!
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Odd that someone with that amount of potential and we couldn’t spot it
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Odd that someone with that amount of potential and we couldn’t spot it
Odd that he also didn't perform on loan... Sometimes players fit somewhere and something clicks.
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I don’t know if he performed out on loan to be honest.
But if we’ve a player that’s good enough to play championship football within 7/8 months and you’re seeing him train everyday I’d have thought he would stand out and definitely worth keeping hold of
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I don’t know if he performed out on loan to be honest.
But if we’ve a player that’s good enough to play championship football within 7/8 months and you’re seeing him train everyday I’d have thought he would stand out and definitely worth keeping hold of
This
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Really really poor decision the fact many as it happened thought it and not just now he's gone to cardiff for a million quid says it all. Can't even blame our club policy of improving other teams players as he was probably on next to nothing wages wise at the time.
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To be fair, I don't recall too many bemoaning him not getting first team opportunities with us when he was here.
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To be fair Rob we don’t see him everyday in training there’d be no reason for supporters to call for him to be getting more games.
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I don’t know if he performed out on loan to be honest.
But if we’ve a player that’s good enough to play championship football within 7/8 months and you’re seeing him train everyday I’d have thought he would stand out and definitely worth keeping hold of
He'd stand out in a squad of players that weren't good enough for Championship football. Do you really think that little of the Rovers squad?
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I think we’ve just made a mistake, it happens.
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I don’t know if he performed out on loan to be honest.
But if we’ve a player that’s good enough to play championship football within 7/8 months and you’re seeing him train everyday I’d have thought he would stand out and definitely worth keeping hold of
How do you know he’s good enough to play Championship Football, given he’s never played at that level?
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I think we’ve just made a mistake, it happens.
Who's to say that Cardiff haven't made a mistake too and he doesn't make the grade there like he didn't here?
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Mourinho let DeBruyne & Salah go at Chelsea it happens to the best
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I bet the "Fejiri Okenabihrie" thread is going mad on the Shrewsbury forum.
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Mourinho let DeBruyne & Salah go at Chelsea it happens to the best
Blades repeatedly letting Sharp go and buying him back always springs to mind as well.
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I bet the "Fejiri Okenabihrie" thread is going mad on the Shrewsbury forum.
What's Mandeville doing these days? Didn't we have a season long thread last year with someone wetting themselves that we'd let him go ?!
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Sell whiteman for barely 1.5 let waters go for nothing.... says it all I’m afraid,
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I think we’ve just made a mistake, it happens.
Who's to say that Cardiff haven't made a mistake too and he doesn't make the grade there like he didn't here?
Yes it is a possibility that Cardiff have made a mistake
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Odd that someone with that amount of potential and we couldn’t spot it
Odd that he also didn't perform on loan... Sometimes players fit somewhere and something clicks.
If he makes it, then great for the lad. He has scored pretty much a goal a game in League Two. We sent him out on loan to Grantham Town and Mickleover Sports in the Northern Premier and Madistone United in the National South. He managed less than 1 in 6. Maybe he needed something different and Crawley gave him this.
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Mourinho let DeBruyne & Salah go at Chelsea it happens to the best
Blades repeatedly letting Sharp go and buying him back always springs to mind as well.
Twice. They had to buy him back in both 2007 and 2015.
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I watched Max in U23 games he had potential but did not stand out. He lacked self confidence for and allowed games to pass him by. He did not impose himself on games. The best game he had was against Aston Villa in the premier league cup but in that game he had three good trialist playing with him in the front four. He was released because we weren’t having a U23 team this season, may be we should have kept and try loan him to a league two side. But his record may not have tempted a league two side to loan him. He was pick up by Crawley when he played against them when on trial for Maidstone. We will see what happens to him now at Cardiff will he play regularly, will his confidence increase or dip but good luck to him.
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I don’t know if he performed out on loan to be honest.
But if we’ve a player that’s good enough to play championship football within 7/8 months and you’re seeing him train everyday I’d have thought he would stand out and definitely worth keeping hold of
How do you know he’s good enough to play Championship Football, given he’s never played at that level?
You could say the same about whiteman
But championship teams have just spent a lot of money on them both
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Maybe he realised that this could be his last chance and has started to push on. He must take his chances at Cardiff and work harder than the other strikers they have if he want to be in the team
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I don’t know if he performed out on loan to be honest.
But if we’ve a player that’s good enough to play championship football within 7/8 months and you’re seeing him train everyday I’d have thought he would stand out and definitely worth keeping hold of
He didn’t.
He was one of many on the fringes who we would have kept had we not been decimated by this virus. Players, coaches and other staff who will go on to have good maybe great careers all found themselves out of work from us and other clubs through no fault of their own but could we realistically keep everyone?
Maybe being released triggered prompted him to find the mentality that was lacking before, and he has the confidence from scoring goals.
Liam mandeville did far more in the first team than max for us which just goes to show how hard it is to turn that early potential into a career. Good luck to the lad
good luck to him
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I only saw Watters play a couple of times off the bench for Rovers. I thought that he had something about him at that time, but no more so than Mandeviile and Beestin who both showed great potential at L1/L2 level but couldn’t sustain it.
Scoring regularly for Crawley and being able to do the same at Championship level are very different things and I think he may need a season or two to develop, possibly out on loan.
One other thing, I have a feeling that ‘struggling’ Cardiff will part company with Manager Neil Harris quite soon and it may turn out that this is his last signing.
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To be fair Rob we don’t see him everyday in training there’d be no reason for supporters to call for him to be getting more games.
Exactly my point. And yet all the "experts" think we've dropped a bollock. Based on what, exactly?
Good luck to the lad, but if he didn't show enough here I've no issues with him taking his chance elsewhere.
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Just my opinion but I think the way to judge this and if Rovers made a mistake letting the lad go is to see if he scores goals in the championship .
Absolutely huge step up from league two to the Championship and Rovers are clearly wanting to attain championship status .
Lads who can only score goals in league two or even league one wouldn't be much use in the championship to Big Daz .
I do however take the point the million pound fee must sting after the events at Rovers this week but that said it's unlikely the lad would have got the opportunity at Rovers to earn a million pound move to the Championship and it's debatable he'd have scored enough goals either .
I'm far from convinced Rovers have done much wrong here with championship ambitions going forward .
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Just my opinion but I think the way to judge this and if Rovers made a mistake letting the lad go is to see if he scores goals in the championship .
Absolutely huge step up from league two to the Championship and Rovers are clearly wanting to attain championship status .
Lads who can only score goals in league two or even league one wouldn't be much use in the championship to Big Daz .
I do however take the point the million pound fee must sting after the events at Rovers this week but that said it's unlikely the lad would have got the opportunity at Rovers to earn a million pound move to the Championship and it's debatable he'd have scored enough goals either .
I'm far from convinced Rovers have done much wrong here with championship ambitions going forward .
Ah, but Tyke, you are forgetting that Rovers have an imbalance in the supporter base for whom Rovers can't do right for doing wrong.
TDFs they are called. Typical Donny Fan. They love a good moan.
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Shows the state of football finance when a young lad with half a good div 2 season in the bank is worth that sort of money - although having not seen details there might not be so much up front and more in add ons if he makes a go of it. Imagine the fuss here ifwed spent that sort of money on Alfie May
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Strikers always go for more money though.
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Some players just don't perform as well on loan. You give them responsibility and they'll step up.
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Sell whiteman for barely 1.5 let waters go for nothing.... says it all I’m afraid,
Where were you to praise Rovers for signing Whiteman in the first place, or moaning about Watters being released at the time that he was? Says it all, I'm afraid.
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I don’t know if he performed out on loan to be honest.
But if we’ve a player that’s good enough to play championship football within 7/8 months and you’re seeing him train everyday I’d have thought he would stand out and definitely worth keeping hold of
How do you know he’s good enough to play Championship Football, given he’s never played at that level?
You could say the same about whiteman
But championship teams have just spent a lot of money on them both
You could but this thread is not about Whiteman
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Whiteman has been playing week in and week out at the top end of League One for last few seasons. Watters has 12 starts and 3 sub appearances in League Two on his CV for Crawley.
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I saw watters playing for the development squad, never really impressed that much. Then again I'm not a football league manager. If he cuts it in the championship then maybe we made a mistake
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Keep it in perspective - I saw Brian Deane in his last season at Rovers,wandering around like Bambi on ice, then when he arrived at the Lane -god knows what Bassett did but the kid was just in a different league. Well done Max Watters, pleased to see him doing well
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To be fair Rob we don’t see him everyday in training there’d be no reason for supporters to call for him to be getting more games.
Exactly my point. And yet all the "experts" think we've dropped a bollock. Based on what, exactly?
Good luck to the lad, but if he didn't show enough here I've no issues with him taking his chance elsewhere.
Of course
My point was nothing to do with what supporters think though, more so the people working with him everyday and missing the potential.
Playing Bingham and the other chap last season instead of watters seems more remarkable when you look where they all are now
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Whiteman has been playing week in and week out at the top end of League One for last few seasons. Watters has 12 starts and 3 sub appearances in League Two on his CV for Crawley.
Yes but still not proven in the championship
My point is clubs don’t just buy players for their league that have played their before.
Just because a player hasn’t played at a particular level before doesn’t mean he’s not good enough
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More than half of that *£1million* will be in potential add-ons.
I compared Watters having a good half season in League 2 to Omar Bogle at Grimsby recently. He also ended up at Cardiff and did basically nothing. It's a lot of money for a "maybe" signing.
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I suppose clubs like Cardiff, Rotherham, us, need to take gambles on players like this in the hope it’ll come off
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It’s not a big deal to say that the club have made a mistake here. We released a player who a few months later has been sold for seven figures. It happens all the time in football and will happen again - it’s happened to our benefit in the past, like with Marquis - but it’s not unfair for people to suggest that we’ve dropped the ball on this one.
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It’s not a big deal to say that the club have made a mistake here. We released a player who a few months later has been sold for seven figures. It happens all the time in football and will happen again - it’s happened to our benefit in the past, like with Marquis - but it’s not unfair for people to suggest that we’ve dropped the ball on this one.
Exactly too many on here get their knickers in a twist about any form of criticism even if it’s minimal
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The club can’t win can they?
Imagine if we had kept the lad then sold him now for £1m, the naysayers would be screaming no ambition
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The million quod wouldn’t have made any difference to us. Glad a club that may need it have got it.
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Odd that someone with that amount of potential and we couldn’t spot it
Didn't they let you go ? :P
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Odd that someone with that amount of potential and we couldn’t spot it
Didn't they let you go ? :P
Yeah beaglehole obviously couldn’t spot potential either :lol:
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The Watters story is a bizarre twist of fate.
One of a few promising youngsters. From the fleeting glimpses of him in the development squad yes, there was some promise. I trust the judgement of Alan Southstand and others Inc podrover, who all say the same. He didn't look like our solution.
He wasn't prolific in his loan spells and there was no big calls to being him back to solve our striking issues. Those giving it big now probably never even saw him play.
But then of course Covid comes. The curtailed season. Would we have seen more of him had the season concluded? With the players we had then probably unlikely. Maybe the odd cameo. I think he came on once or twice in a league game?
Had we not had to sack off the development squad then it could have been a different story but for him, he needed to be playing games and again, I'm not sure he would even have got much of a shout at the beginning of this season.
Fair play to Crawley for taking the gamble and even bigger praise for Max for taking his chance. It's a funny old game.
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Sell whiteman for barely 1.5 let waters go for nothing.... says it all I’m afraid,
What does it say? 1.5m where does that come from? Admit it you haven't got a clue just another very poor attempt to to put down the club you claim to support. Oh and lot's of women let their waters go for nothing
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Sell whiteman for barely 1.5 let waters go for nothing.... says it all I’m afraid,
What does it say? 1.5m where does that come from? Admit it you haven't got a clue just another very poor attempt to to put down the club you claim to support. Oh and lot's of women let their waters go for nothing
Some fans think they know everything but in hindsight really they know sod all
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I think Crawley got a great deal for a player who scored most of his goals From the bench , he was not a regular starter for them
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I always find it funny to see the posts about lower league strikers who are a big risk and just because they can score in the lower doesnt mean they can do it at a higher level. Strange that the likes Jamie Vardy and Ian Wright never get a mention.
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I always find it funny to see the posts about lower league strikers who are a big risk and just because they can score in the lower doesnt mean they can do it at a higher level. Strange that the likes Jamie Vardy and Ian Wright never get a mention.
Gary Birtles, Long Eaton to two time European Cup winner with Forest
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I always find it funny to see the posts about lower league strikers who are a big risk and just because they can score in the lower doesnt mean they can do it at a higher level. Strange that the likes Jamie Vardy and Ian Wright never get a mention.
There are a few that made it....... however, I bet there are a few hundred more that didn't. Saying that, I wish the lad well - will be interesting to follow his progress.
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I saw watters playing for the development squad, never really impressed that much. Then again I'm not a football league manager. If he cuts it in the championship then maybe we made a mistake
All about opinions really. I do a lot of non league and development scouting and IMO Max Watters was head and shoulders above anything we had.
A little story about Max Watters. I'm friends with the Micklover manager and helped get Max the loan move there until we recalled him, likewise at Gainsbrough when Curtis Woodhouse took over. I got James Baxendale a trial there and when asked about any other players the first name was Max Watters, went on loan there and did really well until again we recalled him.
The main club I work with is Harrogate Town and Max Watters was one player I've probably bored the manager to death about, when he got released for me it was a no brainer to get him in at least on trial. Again its opinions and they went in another direction, fair play to Crawley for taking a chance on him.
Got a text off the Harrogate manager a couple of weeks ago saying "you were right about that Watters, I'm after a couple of strikers if you can think of anyone suitable"
Don't get me wrong I've seen plenty of players over the years who I never thought would make it as a professional (I didn't think George Friend was a footballer when he first joined) but the Watters story has made me smile until I think about the 10% finders fee I would have been entitled to.
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Who was that sheff wed player that they gave a free to then a few years later was sold to one of the Milan clubs for over 20/30 million
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Too late to cry over that milk, I hope we don't let Hasani and Greaves go the same way, we have one or two good youngsters left, they need to be given chances soon.
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Who was that sheff wed player that they gave a free to then a few years later was sold to one of the Milan clubs for over 20/30 million
Did they have Cantona on trial as well and let him go
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Who was that sheff wed player that they gave a free to then a few years later was sold to one of the Milan clubs for over 20/30 million
Did they have Cantona on trial as well and let him go
Yep. Played in some indoor tournament for them. Apparently Francis wanted to see how he performed on grass before he'd offer him a contract.
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I saw watters playing for the development squad, never really impressed that much. Then again I'm not a football league manager. If he cuts it in the championship then maybe we made a mistake
All about opinions really. I do a lot of non league and development scouting and IMO Max Watters was head and shoulders above anything we had.
A little story about Max Watters. I'm friends with the Micklover manager and helped get Max the loan move there until we recalled him, likewise at Gainsbrough when Curtis Woodhouse took over. I got James Baxendale a trial there and when asked about any other players the first name was Max Watters, went on loan there and did really well until again we recalled him.
The main club I work with is Harrogate Town and Max Watters was one player I've probably bored the manager to death about, when he got released for me it was a no brainer to get him in at least on trial. Again its opinions and they went in another direction, fair play to Crawley for taking a chance on him.
Got a text off the Harrogate manager a couple of weeks ago saying "you were right about that Watters, I'm after a couple of strikers if you can think of anyone suitable"
Don't get me wrong I've seen plenty of players over the years who I never thought would make it as a professional (I didn't think George Friend was a footballer when he first joined) but the Watters story has made me smile until I think about the 10% finders fee I would have been entitled to.
I couldn't agree more.
Max was the best player in the 23s. AJ Greaves wasn't a million miles behind him and there were other good players such as Shane Blaney, who I still think will go on to have a career at a decent standard as good left-footers are a rare breed, Danny Amos, Branden Horton, etc. Added to that, the 18s were flying in their league and some of those lads had potential to go on and do well.
I said at the time it was a mistake to sign Rakish Bingham, Kwame Thomas and Devante Cole when Max could have been afforded more of a chance to prove if he was or wasn't good enough for first team football here.
Good luck to him now at Cardiff.
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He is making his debut for Cardiff tonight v QPR. The game has just kicked off and he is in the starting eleven.
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Imagine this forum if he scores....
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Obvooisly DIeng in goal and lumley sub keeper for qpr too.
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Dragged off after 55 mins would not be surprised if he didn’t score all season
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Bit harsh Anton , direct from BBC
Not the debut Cardiff striker Max Watters had in mind.
The man signed from League Two Crawley in a deal worth up to £1m has been substituted 55 minutes into his first Bluebirds appearance.
In fairness to Watters, he got almost no service whatsoever from his team-mates. A tough introduction to the Championship.
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It is mate I hope it works out for him but 1 million is crazy and the Cardiff fans will expect fireworks and the pressure will mount if he don’t score in first few games
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According to reports in the Cardiff match thread the fee was 200k rising to 500k with add-ons. The truth may lie somewhere in between.
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It is mate I hope it works out for him but 1 million is crazy and the Cardiff fans will expect fireworks and the pressure will mount if he don’t score in first few games
Judging by many of the Cardiff fans comments I think their anger will be directed more towards the manager.
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Best of luck to the lad, football is filled with stories of players not making it at club A and then setting the world alight at club B.
Personally I don’t think we’ve missed out but really hope he is a success at Cardiff
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Cardiff have just sacked their manager....
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Can't play for another club already played for 2 clubs so is stuck their now
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Cardiff have just sacked their manager....
Amazing that they allowed him to make a sizeable spend just a few days before sacking him.
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And Neil Harris bought Perry Ng from Crewe this week for around £500k
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And Neil Harris bought PerryNg from Crewe this week for around £500k
If you look at some of the comments on Cardiff's platforms, the signings might not have been made by Neil Harris but from above him.
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And Neil Harris bought Perry Ng from Crewe this week for around £500k
Cracking signing that too, would have liked him here.
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Wouldn’t make much from shirt sales.
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And Neil Harris bought Perry Ng from Crewe this week for around £500k
Cracking signing that too, would have liked him here.
Prefer our two full backs, well Halliday and James.
Seems like Cardiff are preparing for League One by spending what they can now before they're capped even more.
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Cardiff have just sacked their manager....
Mick McCarthy lined up apparently.
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So after games he gets sack from a Cypriot side and now walks into a job at Cardiff it’s same managers in this silly merry go round.
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So after games he gets sack from a Cypriot side and now walks into a job at Cardiff it’s same managers in this silly merry go round.
Pretty much my reaction Steve. There must be a tombola machine somewhere with the same set of names in.
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Not even on bench tonight?
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Not in the squad tonight
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Not even on bench tonight?
He got a knock in training. Nothing too serious.
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Sell whiteman for barely 1.5 let waters go for nothing.... says it all I’m afraid,
You've gone very quiet.
Says it all?