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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: EasyforDennis on January 21, 2021, 10:53:44 am
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-working-deals-two-players-3107602
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I would put that in the category of showing supporters we are on the case, rather than anything actually happening soon. Which to be fair the article does suggest is the case.
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2 possible permanents, plus Sims or his replacement (if we can’t get his loan extended).
I sincerely hope this doesn’t drag on.
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I’ve seen Kevin Stewart’s name mentioned a few times, ex Hull and Liverpool midfielder
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2 possible permanents, plus Sims or his replacement (if we can’t get his loan extended).
I sincerely hope this doesn’t drag on.
anyone seen that pen knocking about?
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Well it can’t drag on too long when does the window shut
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2 possible permanents, plus Sims or his replacement (if we can’t get his loan extended).
I sincerely hope this doesn’t drag on.
It can only drag on another nine days Alan............ I know it will be hard for you, but try and be patient eh... :thumbsup:
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MM, it’s not me you should be thinking about! The reason for me not wanting it to drag on is that these 2 players may not currently be attached to a club, which means, even if they agree to join us, it’ll be at least a further 2 weeks to get them ‘up to speed’ and ‘integrated into the squad’.
We know enough about DM now to know that they’ll not be going straight in.
Therefore, the sooner they’re in, the better.
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I wouldn't worry, my understanding is the two deals are a lot closer than that article suggests.
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I wouldn't worry, my understanding is the two deals are a lot closer than that article suggests.
Likely one or both could be in for Saturday?
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I wouldn't worry, my understanding is the two deals are a lot closer than that article suggests.
As in they could be completed today ?
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Thanks for that, SM. I’ll stop whittling!
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Just looking at list of free agents (as DM has stated we wont be paying a fee for players) who fall into the experienced category. I wonder if DM has approached ex West Brom teammate Claudio Yacob to fill Whitemans position? I notice Joe Ledley is also a free agent.
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MM, it’s not me you should be thinking about! The reason for me not wanting it to drag on is that these 2 players may not currently be attached to a club, which means, even if they agree to join us, it’ll be at least a further 2 weeks to get them ‘up to speed’ and ‘integrated into the squad’.
We know enough about DM now to know that they’ll not be going straight in.
Therefore, the sooner they’re in, the better.
I know mate - only pulling your plonker........ :lol:
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Just looking at list of free agents (as DM has stated we wont be paying a fee for players) who fall into the experienced category. I wonder if DM has approached ex West Brom teammate Claudio Yacob to fill Whitemans position? I notice Joe Ledley is also a free agent.
Did anyone see Joe Ledley on Soccer AM last week I know it’s no gauge but he was pants
Probably too old but Marc Pugh and Charlie Daniels both left Shrewsbury
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Just looking at list of free agents (as DM has stated we wont be paying a fee for players) who fall into the experienced category. I wonder if DM has approached ex West Brom teammate Claudio Yacob to fill Whitemans position? I notice Joe Ledley is also a free agent.
That's not completely accurate. The way the club works is that a sum of money is made available and that can be spent in the way that DM wants to spend it. If he wants to blow it all on a transfer fee he can do, but that will leave less for a salary. So long as the money allocated is used over the contract period, and its either all salary or a mix of salary and a transfer fee, then that's OK.
I'm sure what he means is that if he's signing free agents he can spend more on salary which means he can attract, in theory, a better standard of player by paying a higher salary.
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The plot thickens!
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Just looking at list of free agents (as DM has stated we wont be paying a fee for players) who fall into the experienced category. I wonder if DM has approached ex West Brom teammate Claudio Yacob to fill Whitemans position? I notice Joe Ledley is also a free agent.
That's not completely accurate. The way the club works is that a sum of money is made available and that can be spent in the way that DM wants to spend it. If he wants to blow it all on a transfer fee he can do, but that will leave less for a salary. So long as the money allocated is used over the contract period, and its either all salary or a mix of salary and a transfer fee, then that's OK.
I'm sure what he means is that if he's signing free agents he can spend more on salary which means he can attract, in theory, a better standard of player by paying a higher salary.
Football manager players will be well versed in this, the game does similar (I know it's only a game). Very logical though, should always be flex.
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Just looking at list of free agents (as DM has stated we wont be paying a fee for players) who fall into the experienced category. I wonder if DM has approached ex West Brom teammate Claudio Yacob to fill Whitemans position? I notice Joe Ledley is also a free agent.
That's not completely accurate. The way the club works is that a sum of money is made available and that can be spent in the way that DM wants to spend it. If he wants to blow it all on a transfer fee he can do, but that will leave less for a salary. So long as the money allocated is used over the contract period, and its either all salary or a mix of salary and a transfer fee, then that's OK.
I'm sure what he means is that if he's signing free agents he can spend more on salary which means he can attract, in theory, a better standard of player by paying a higher salary.
Football manager players will be well versed in this, the game does similar (I know it's only a game). Very logical though, should always be flex.
Maybe some people should be more understanding, now knowing that DM only had three options for replies when he talks to the press!!!
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SM:
I wouldn't worry, my understanding is the two deals are a lot closer than that article suggests.
Does that mean one or both have already been training with us?
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Why would Liam Hoden have been given a list of Moores targets?
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Why would Liam Hoden have been given a list of Moores targets?
Who says he has?
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He does on his twitter feed.
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He's told stuff like players names in confidence by the club.
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Liam Hoden is doing another Q&A on Twitter at the moment, he says that one of the players is a bit of a departure from Moore's usual type of target, someone more experienced and with a lot of history at a higher level. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that is someone like Claudio Yacob but based on nothing concrete at all.
Knowing Darren it will be someone we have never even thought of or mentioned among ourselves!
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SM:
I wouldn't worry, my understanding is the two deals are a lot closer than that article suggests.
Does that mean one or both have already been training with us?
Yes.
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Liam Hoden is doing another Q&A on Twitter at the moment, he says that one of the players is a bit of a departure from Moore's usual type of target, someone more experienced and with a lot of history at a higher level. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that is someone like Claudio Yacob but based on nothing concrete at all.
Knowing Darren it will be someone we have never even thought of or mentioned among ourselves!
I would agree with that.
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Thanks, SM. That’s a relief.
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Quote from Hoden’s Q&A:
“You’ll see, if Rovers get these 2 players, that the manager has been backed”.
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Everyone safely converges on Cantley Park tomorrow...
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Funnily enough, when Whiteman was on his way out, a former Sheff Wed and WBA players name sprung to my mind. Sure I heard he left another club recently but not sure what his fitness status was/is but has a sweet left foot.
I could be way off the mark mind. Anyway, I like surprises!
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Sounds really promising, fingers crossed.
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Hoden said no one has mentioned the two names he's been told, which would support the theory it'll be people we'd never think we'll sign.
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Funnily enough, when Whiteman was on his way out, a former Sheff Wed and WBA players name sprung to my mind. Sure I heard he left another club recently but not sure what his fitness status was/is but has a sweet left foot.
I could be way off the mark mind. Anyway, I like surprises!
Chris Brunt agreed to settle his contract with Bristol City a couple of weeks ago with an injury ruling him out for the rest of the season...if that’s who you meant?!
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Did Liam give a clue away In his video Q&A he’s just done tonight... with his reaction Idd guess one of the player's initials is JB... He also said 1 player is a free transfer while the other is from another club. He also said Both players are what you would class as experienced players
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Funnily enough, when Whiteman was on his way out, a former Sheff Wed and WBA players name sprung to my mind. Sure I heard he left another club recently but not sure what his fitness status was/is but has a sweet left foot.
I could be way off the mark mind. Anyway, I like surprises!
Chris Brunt agreed to settle his contract with Bristol City a couple of weeks ago with an injury ruling him out for the rest of the season...if that’s who you meant?!
Yes. That explains it.. Unless he's made a miraculous recovery!
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Donny Baz Rover,
Sweet left foot........Why is it no one ever has a sweet right foot?
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SM:
I wouldn't worry, my understanding is the two deals are a lot closer than that article suggests.
Does that mean one or both have already been training with us?
Yes.
That must mean it’s John Bostock then.
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Did Liam give a clue away In his video Q&A he’s just done tonight... with his reaction Idd guess one of the player's initials is JB... He also said 1 player is a free transfer while the other is from another club. He also said Both players are what you would class as experienced players
John Barnes is a bit past it isn't he?
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Donny Baz Rover,
Sweet left foot........Why is it no one ever has a sweet right foot?
Funny that! Maybe most right footed players are expected to be good with it!?
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1 linked with us plays for Burton a utility man.
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Jay Bothroyd
Jimmy Bullard
Both older and experienced :)
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SM:
I wouldn't worry, my understanding is the two deals are a lot closer than that article suggests.
Does that mean one or both have already been training with us?
Yes.
That must mean it’s John Bostock then.
I've just googled him, Gaz, and he certainly fits the profile of everything that's been said today.
He looks a hell of a player as well, and would be a perfect replacement for Ben.
My only doubts are that he seems to be a bit of a journeyman.
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1 linked with us plays for Burton a utility man.
Brayford?
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1 linked with us plays for Burton a utility man.
So he can do gas, electrics and water!? Handy.
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Lucas Akins? Forward, wing back, winger.?
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John Bostock, when signed on FM 2009, used to turn into a very good player. Not that that's owt to go by.
Gary Woods and Lewis Guy both play for England when Rovers reach the Prem in that version.
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Bostock was going to be the next big thing after going to Spurs. Think Barcelona wanted him back then as well.
A very long time ago now that, mind.
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SM:
I wouldn't worry, my understanding is the two deals are a lot closer than that article suggests.
Does that mean one or both have already been training with us?
Yes.
That must mean it’s John Bostock then.
I've just googled him, Gaz, and he certainly fits the profile of everything that's been said today.
He looks a hell of a player as well, and would be a perfect replacement for Ben.
My only doubts are that he seems to be a bit of a journeyman.
The hairy bearded one. One that always seems to get under our skin when we play them.
Interesting!
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That must mean it’s John Bostock then.
Donny Baz Rover,
Sweet left foot........Why is it no one ever has a sweet right foot?
I always thought it was a wand of a left foot....
JB is quite religious apparently - so might fit into DM's parish..
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SM:
I wouldn't worry, my understanding is the two deals are a lot closer than that article suggests.
Does that mean one or both have already been training with us?
Yes.
That must mean it’s John Bostock then.
I've just googled him, Gaz, and he certainly fits the profile of everything that's been said today.
He looks a hell of a player as well, and would be a perfect replacement for Ben.
My only doubts are that he seems to be a bit of a journeyman.
The hairy bearded one. One that always seems to get under our skin when we play them.
Interesting!
I think you're talking about Martin Brayford, Baz. Gazlaz and I were talking about John Bostock, a different proposition to Brayford altogether.
Bostock was regarded as world class at one time; even linked with Barcelona.
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SM:
I wouldn't worry, my understanding is the two deals are a lot closer than that article suggests.
Does that mean one or both have already been training with us?
Yes.
That must mean it’s John Bostock then.
I've just googled him, Gaz, and he certainly fits the profile of everything that's been said today.
He looks a hell of a player as well, and would be a perfect replacement for Ben.
My only doubts are that he seems to be a bit of a journeyman.
The hairy bearded one. One that always seems to get under our skin when we play them.
Interesting!
I think you're talking about Martin Brayford, Baz. Gazlaz and I were talking about John Bostock, a different proposition to Brayford altogether.
Bostock was regarded as world class at one time; even linked with Barcelona.
Who's Martin Brayford? :huh:
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SM:
I wouldn't worry, my understanding is the two deals are a lot closer than that article suggests.
Does that mean one or both have already been training with us?
Yes.
That must mean it’s John Bostock then.
I've just googled him, Gaz, and he certainly fits the profile of everything that's been said today.
He looks a hell of a player as well, and would be a perfect replacement for Ben.
My only doubts are that he seems to be a bit of a journeyman.
The hairy bearded one. One that always seems to get under our skin when we play them.
Interesting!
I think you're talking about Martin Brayford, Baz. Gazlaz and I were talking about John Bostock, a different proposition to Brayford altogether.
Bostock was regarded as world class at one time; even linked with Barcelona.
Who's Martin Brayford? :huh:
The hairy bearded one that I believe Baz meant, based on someone saying that we're interested in signing a Burton player.
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SM:
I wouldn't worry, my understanding is the two deals are a lot closer than that article suggests.
Does that mean one or both have already been training with us?
Yes.
That must mean it’s John Bostock then.
I've just googled him, Gaz, and he certainly fits the profile of everything that's been said today.
He looks a hell of a player as well, and would be a perfect replacement for Ben.
My only doubts are that he seems to be a bit of a journeyman.
The hairy bearded one. One that always seems to get under our skin when we play them.
Interesting!
I think you're talking about Martin Brayford, Baz. Gazlaz and I were talking about John Bostock, a different proposition to Brayford altogether.
Bostock was regarded as world class at one time; even linked with Barcelona.
Who's Martin Brayford? :huh:
The hairy bearded one that I believe Baz meant, based on someone saying that we're interested in signing a Burton player.
John Brayford is the one. Never heard of a Martin Brayford!
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SM:
I wouldn't worry, my understanding is the two deals are a lot closer than that article suggests.
Does that mean one or both have already been training with us?
Yes.
That must mean it’s John Bostock then.
I've just googled him, Gaz, and he certainly fits the profile of everything that's been said today.
He looks a hell of a player as well, and would be a perfect replacement for Ben.
My only doubts are that he seems to be a bit of a journeyman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bostock. Very much your everyday journeyman, but loads of experience.
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SM:
I wouldn't worry, my understanding is the two deals are a lot closer than that article suggests.
Does that mean one or both have already been training with us?
Yes.
That must mean it’s John Bostock then.
I've just googled him, Gaz, and he certainly fits the profile of everything that's been said today.
He looks a hell of a player as well, and would be a perfect replacement for Ben.
My only doubts are that he seems to be a bit of a journeyman.
The hairy bearded one. One that always seems to get under our skin when we play them.
Interesting!
I think you're talking about Martin Brayford, Baz. Gazlaz and I were talking about John Bostock, a different proposition to Brayford altogether.
Bostock was regarded as world class at one time; even linked with Barcelona.
Who's Martin Brayford? :huh:
The hairy bearded one that I believe Baz meant, based on someone saying that we're interested in signing a Burton player.
John Brayford is the one. Never heard of a Martin Brayford!
F*cking hell, how did I manage to do that?
At the moment, I'm stood in the corner with a pointed hat that has the letter "D" on it.
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Were you sub con thinking Martin Braithwaite?
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Judging by what Forest fans have commented about him on Twitter, he potentially could be a very good signing. Most wanted them to sign him permanently after his loan spell finished.
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Were you sub con thinking Martin Braithwaite?
Or Martin Bayfield , who would be great if we were going to play route 1 football
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Looks like we might be dropping the young guns again.....how are they ever going to establish themselves....lots on here wanting ready-mades and championship football to eagerly......
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Looks like we might be dropping the young guns again.....how are they ever going to establish themselves....lots on here wanting ready-mades and championship football to eagerly......
The club can’t win can they?
Stick with youth players and they would be labelled tight and penny pinchers.
Rumoured to be interested in a couple more senior players on permanent deals and people moan we aren’t giving youth a chance?!
I for one will be pleased to see a couple more experienced heads come in and would’ve been mightily annoyed had replaced Whiteman with a youth teamer or young loan for the rest of the season.
Moaning for moaning sake!
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There was a good article on Bostock on BBC Sport before Christmas. Basically he wants to come back to the UK now he has a kid.
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Looks like we might be dropping the young guns again.....how are they ever going to establish themselves....lots on here wanting ready-mades and championship football to eagerly......
The club can’t win can they?
Stick with youth players and they would be labelled tight and penny pinchers.
Rumoured to be interested in a couple more senior players on permanent deals and people moan we aren’t giving youth a chance?!
I for one will be pleased to see a couple more experienced heads come in and would’ve been mightily annoyed had replaced Whiteman with a youth teamer or young loan for the rest of the season.
Moaning for moaning sake!
We need a mix don't we? In a promotion race if we are serious we need experience a bit further forward. Just look at Andy Butler's impact to prove the effect it can have.
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Looks like we might be dropping the young guns again.....how are they ever going to establish themselves....lots on here wanting ready-mades and championship football to eagerly......
The club can’t win can they?
Stick with youth players and they would be labelled tight and penny pinchers.
Rumoured to be interested in a couple more senior players on permanent deals and people moan we aren’t giving youth a chance?!
I for one will be pleased to see a couple more experienced heads come in and would’ve been mightily annoyed had replaced Whiteman with a youth teamer or young loan for the rest of the season.
Moaning for moaning sake!
We need a mix don't we? In a promotion race if we are serious we need experience a bit further forward. Just look at Andy Butler's impact to prove the effect it can have.
We do.
Equally, Whiteman was an "inexperienced kid" when he joined us.
The truth is in the middle somewhere. Buggered if I can find it. I think the old adage "if he's good enough he's old enough" probably fits though.
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Looks like we might be dropping the young guns again.....how are they ever going to establish themselves....lots on here wanting ready-mades and championship football to eagerly......
The club can’t win can they?
Stick with youth players and they would be labelled tight and penny pinchers.
Rumoured to be interested in a couple more senior players on permanent deals and people moan we aren’t giving youth a chance?!
I for one will be pleased to see a couple more experienced heads come in and would’ve been mightily annoyed had replaced Whiteman with a youth teamer or young loan for the rest of the season.
Moaning for moaning sake!
It’s not a moan, merely an observation.....we are still managing to get results and blood the young lads .. if we bring in ready mades, then the obvious ones to drop are the less established,.....and we start the cycle again...... like I said , it’s just an observation that needs balancing somehow...
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Totally agree you need a good balance. Don't forget the legend himself won't be around for much longer to have his positive influence on the younger ones.
With having more subs these days, there's plenty of scope for the younger ones to get a chance.. And more than a fleeting one hopefully.
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I don’t think we’re signing players because the young ones aren’t good enough, we’re signing players because the squad is tiny.
An injury or two in February and we’d be knackered without the opportunity to replace them
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Totally correct dickos we need bodies in, some experience but some youn talent also, Yorkshire Post article is quoting Darren as stating he wants 4 more in.
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Looks like we might be dropping the young guns again.....how are they ever going to establish themselves....lots on here wanting ready-mades and championship football to eagerly......
The club can’t win can they?
Stick with youth players and they would be labelled tight and penny pinchers.
Rumoured to be interested in a couple more senior players on permanent deals and people moan we aren’t giving youth a chance?!
I for one will be pleased to see a couple more experienced heads come in and would’ve been mightily annoyed had replaced Whiteman with a youth teamer or young loan for the rest of the season.
Moaning for moaning sake!
It’s not a moan, merely an observation.....we are still managing to get results and blood the young lads .. if we bring in ready mades, then the obvious ones to drop are the less established,.....and we start the cycle again...... like I said , it’s just an observation that needs balancing somehow...
sadly the life span of a football manager is usually less than 2 years in average. They havnt got the time to blood the kids thinking they will give them time to find their feet. If its a case of get a experienced bloke in now, and potentially get promoted, or throw a youth in, and hope for the best, you can see why they would go for experience. Especially at this stage of the season.
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An interesting aside.
As per transfermarkt website.
Ben Whiteman - 196 appearances.
John Bostock - 230.
So not much in it. Bostock has had a wider career, and generally played at a higher level, but not the same level of games per season.
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As I’ve pointed out before, it’s all well and good saying we are grinding out results at the moment, but, look at the teams we’ve played in the last 6 and the teams we are playing in the next 6. They are much harder games and will ultimately define our season in all likelihood.
We need more experience and better quality than what we currently have on the bench to give us the best chance.
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Surely we're not getting two players with the initials JB? What a coincidence that would be!!
Come on, time to nail your guess to the mast and decide which one it's most likely to be.
I'll go with Bayford. I don't mind being wrong though.
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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-wants-least-four-new-players-doncaster-rovers-3108986 (https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-wants-least-four-new-players-doncaster-rovers-3108986)
As per Yorkshire post.
DM wants at least 4 players in.
That seems a better number than 2. One I would guess would be sims, or sim replacement. Then at least 3 more.
Say a MD, a fw and a utility player?
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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-wants-least-four-new-players-doncaster-rovers-3108986 (https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-wants-least-four-new-players-doncaster-rovers-3108986)
As per Yorkshire post.
DM wants at least 4 players in.
That seems a better number than 2. One I would guess would be sims, or sim replacement. Then at least 3 more.
Say a MD, a few and a utility player?
Woah, let's not get greedy. The discontents will be choking on their cornflakes!
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One striker, one winger/striker, one midfielder for definite going off what DM has been quoted as saying, the other I’m assuming would be Sims or replacement. I don’t think the winger/striker is his replacement.
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I’m confused with all these permutations:
1. Who is Martin Brayford - there’s a John Brayford at Burton, but he’s a defender!
2. Who’s Bayford?
3. Someone has (somehow) determined that one of the possibles has the initials JB. So, if true, anyone called Martin is not in the running.
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Surely we're not getting two players with the initials JB? What a coincidence that would be!!
Come on, time to nail your guess to the mast and decide which one it's most likely to be.
I'll go with Bayford. I don't mind being wrong though.
Sounds like the two offers are for a midfielder and a striker, so that rules out Brayford.
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I’m confused with all these permutations:
1. Who is Martin Brayford - there’s a John Brayford at Burton, but he’s a defender!
2. Who’s Bayford?
3. Someone has (somehow) determined that one of the possibles has the initials JB. So, if true, anyone called Martin is not in the running.
Damn and I’d bought some boots too :blink:
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I’m confused with all these permutations:
1. Who is Martin Brayford - there’s a John Brayford at Burton, but he’s a defender!
2. Who’s Bayford?
3. Someone has (somehow) determined that one of the possibles has the initials JB. So, if true, anyone called Martin is not in the running.
Hoden did a Q&A yesterday on his Twitter and someone asked if their initials are JB, he alluded to that being the case.
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I think what DM wants and what he gets might be 2 different things entirely! I hope not, but unless there’s been a re-think at Board level, I just don’t see it.
It has to be said, we havn’t been this close for a number of seasons, so fingers are crossed for a positive end to the January window.
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I’m confused with all these permutations:
1. Who is Martin Brayford - there’s a John Brayford at Burton, but he’s a defender!
2. Who’s Bayford?
3. Someone has (somehow) determined that one of the possibles has the initials JB. So, if true, anyone called Martin is not in the running.
All right Alan, my spell checks not up to Brayford!
He might be classed as a defender but some might say he's a utility player. Someone suggested there may be a religious connection.. Well he looks like an image of Jesus!
As long as he can walk on water I'm not fussed!
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I think at 33, he’s a bit on the old side. His contract runs out in June, so a short term contract doesn’t get him anywhere! The talk was that one of the players would be a short term deal - to me, that means someone who is a free agent, but wants to keep his options open in the summer. If we get promoted, then that person would probably agree to sign for longer.
Of course, it could be the forward player that’s the free agent, so, who knows?
My gut feeling is the midfield player is either Bostock or O’Riley. If it’s O’Riley, then the forward player has initials JB.
I rest my case, mi lud.
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Ah, as Shakespeare wrote “Two JB or not two JB, that is the question! "
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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-wants-least-four-new-players-doncaster-rovers-3108986 (https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-wants-least-four-new-players-doncaster-rovers-3108986)
As per Yorkshire post.
DM wants at least 4 players in.
That seems a better number than 2. One I would guess would be sims, or sim replacement. Then at least 3 more.
Say a MD, a few and a utility player?
Woah, let's not get greedy. The discontents will be choking on their cornflakes!
Ah, but will that list include DM who has apparently said he wants four players in.
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I’m confused with all these permutations:
1. Who is Martin Brayford - there’s a John Brayford at Burton, but he’s a defender!
2. Who’s Bayford?
3. Someone has (somehow) determined that one of the possibles has the initials JB. So, if true, anyone called Martin is not in the running.
It was me who came out with the "Martin" bit, Alan. I was having a brain fart.