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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: deebee on February 01, 2021, 02:05:01 pm
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How about letting fans who have been vaccinated back into the grounds. At least this would be a safe start to get supporters back in even though most will be old fogies like me.
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Does that mean I would also get in as DonnyWolf and Scawsby Steve's carer?
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By my understanding (maybe check this out) being vaccinated even twice does not mean you a) cant catch it or b) cannot give it to someone else
I read that if you have the vaccination and you do catch it you are just less likely to die or be more terribly affected than if you didnt have the vaccination
Its what I keep hearing though of course the Government will be keen to let people think they are protected (I will ask the question on Coronavirus in Off Topic rather than hijack this thread)
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Has it not got to you that we are still in lockdown and they are still saying don’t mix even if you have had the vaccine
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By my understanding (maybe check this out) being vaccinated even twice does not mean you a) cant catch it or b) cannot give it to someone else
I read that if you have the vaccination and you do catch it you are just less likely to die or be more terribly affected than if you didnt have the vaccination
Its what I keep hearing though of course the Government will be keen to let people think they are protected (I will ask the question on Coronavirus in Off Topic rather than hijack this thread)
I think you are correct.
Having the jab just gets your body ready to fight the infection if you do catch it. It doesn't stop you from catching it.
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By my understanding (maybe check this out) being vaccinated even twice does not mean you a) cant catch it or b) cannot give it to someone else
I read that if you have the vaccination and you do catch it you are just less likely to die or be more terribly affected than if you didnt have the vaccination
Its what I keep hearing though of course the Government will be keen to let people think they are protected (I will ask the question on Coronavirus in Off Topic rather than hijack this thread)
I would expect that is the case, yes. Vaccines don't give us a guard against catching illnesses, they give our bodies the tools to fight them when we do catch them. Then once everyone has got that vaccine to fight it, less people have it and they have it for less time so it spreads much less easily, and eventually becomes very rare or extinct entirely.
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Having the vaccine doesn’t mean you can’t catch or spread Covid so until everyone has it there will not be a relaxation on crowds
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What happens with those who refuse to be vaccinated?
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I’ve got a cricket team mate who’s adamant that he’s not having a jab must be scared of being tracked by Bill Gates or something, but the trouble is he’s a self employed electrician industrial and domestic and somehow I very much doubt he’ll be telling his customers that he’s not bothering about the vaccination.
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I would think that life would become difficult for them if the government slapped restrictions on them such as travel abroad etc. and working restrictions.
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It doesn't have to be a government decision, some companies might decide to implement restrictions off their own bats.
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I think that you could safely bet life insurance will be affected even if the companies refuse to insure directly for Covid, and I would expect places with paying crowds as big as football grounds to expect you to show proof of having the vaccine for entry.
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BST once told me that I should not be allowed into the KMS unless I had the vaccine so as not to endanger him or his family, potentially me being a killer.
So there's your answer.
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Can’t argue with that Nudga.
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Can’t argue with that Nudga.
Care to expand?
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Not really fair though is it?
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Having my first one at noon tomorrow.
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Not really fair though is it?
Why isn’t it fair? Covid is real, it has contributed to the early deaths of many, it’s mutating quickly and nobody knows how infectious it could become or even if it will become more deadly so not having the jab should have consequences given those would be more likely to be carriers
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It’s not clear either way yet as this is far too early in a mass vaccination programme to draw a firm conclusion - but there is at least some evidence at this early stage from Israel that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine does dramatically reduce transmissibility. This sample could end up to be too small and too early but there is at least some evidence to show that once fully vaccinated, people shed the virus at a much lower rate.
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Not really fair though is it?
Why isn’t it fair? Covid is real, it has contributed to the early deaths of many, it’s mutating quickly and nobody knows how infectious it could become or even if it will become more deadly so not having the jab should have consequences given those would be more likely to be carriers
But the vaccine doesn't stop you from passing it on sooooo
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Having a few fans in the ground is worse for the club than no fans as with some fans they need more staff in the ground that they will need to pay for + for policing. Would be great for the fans though having said that.
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Not really fair though is it?
Why isn’t it fair? Covid is real, it has contributed to the early deaths of many, it’s mutating quickly and nobody knows how infectious it could become or even if it will become more deadly so not having the jab should have consequences given those would be more likely to be carriers
But the vaccine doesn't stop you from passing it on sooooo
No it doesn’t but not having it makes it more likely to contract it, as yet I’ve not heard one single argument why you shouldn’t have it.
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How about letting fans who have been vaccinated back into the grounds. At least this would be a safe start to get supporters back in even though most will be old fogies like me.
there is NO evidence that those vaccinated will not still be infectious to others so it’s a least 6-9 months away before stadiums will see 50% + of capacity.
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What happens with those who refuse to be vaccinated?
They can stay at home and let all the sane people enjoy their lives.
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DVR, that's because there is no good reason not to have it other than for other medical reasons.
People that refuse for any other reason deserve to have any restrictions the authorities deem appropriate slapped straight on them.
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I’ve got a cricket team mate who’s adamant that he’s not having a jab must be scared of being tracked by Bill Gates or something, but the trouble is he’s a self employed electrician industrial and domestic and somehow I very much doubt he’ll be telling his customers that he’s not bothering about the vaccination.
People who have this view are so confusing. Will refuse to get vaccinated and cause others harm in fear of been tracked yet probably has an iPhone or Android phone with a load of apps that can track your location, search history, general conversations, face etc etc etc.
People who talk like that on the vaccine they need to go off grid for real and live in a tent and sh*t in a hole. Then i'd accept their concerns
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What happens with those who refuse to be vaccinated?
they should spend a day in an intensive care ward to see the effects of this virus? That said, they probably think it's made up anyways? Along with the microchipped vaccine?
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What happens with those who refuse to be vaccinated?
then they are idiots and willing to give it to there parents/grandparents
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Not really fair though is it?
Why isn’t it fair? Covid is real, it has contributed to the early deaths of many, it’s mutating quickly and nobody knows how infectious it could become or even if it will become more deadly so not having the jab should have consequences given those would be more likely to be carriers
But the vaccine doesn't stop you from passing it on sooooo
No it doesn’t but not having it makes it more likely to contract it, as yet I’ve not heard one single argument why you shouldn’t have it.
My point was aimed at the op. Being lucky to get the vaccine first shouldn't entitle a normal life ahead of others.
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My point is if all the fans in the stadium have had the jab then if they are carrying the virus they can only pass it on to someone else who has had the jab so they are far less likely to catch it. I think that all other safety protocols should be followed though ie safe distancing and the possible wearing of masks.
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Not really fair though is it?
Why isn’t it fair? Covid is real, it has contributed to the early deaths of many, it’s mutating quickly and nobody knows how infectious it could become or even if it will become more deadly so not having the jab should have consequences given those would be more likely to be carriers
But the vaccine doesn't stop you from passing it on sooooo
No it doesn’t but not having it makes it more likely to contract it, as yet I’ve not heard one single argument why you shouldn’t have it.
My point was aimed at the op. Being lucky to get the vaccine first shouldn't entitle a normal life ahead of others.
Why Not?
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What happens with those who refuse to be vaccinated?
do these very same people wear a seat belt?, of course? Why.? Cos its a life saver. Plus the government tell you to. What's the difference?
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Not really fair though is it?
Why isn’t it fair? Covid is real, it has contributed to the early deaths of many, it’s mutating quickly and nobody knows how infectious it could become or even if it will become more deadly so not having the jab should have consequences given those would be more likely to be carriers
But the vaccine doesn't stop you from passing it on sooooo
No it doesn’t but not having it makes it more likely to contract it, as yet I’ve not heard one single argument why you shouldn’t have it.
My point was aimed at the op. Being lucky to get the vaccine first shouldn't entitle a normal life ahead of others.
Why Not?
of course, unless folk are suggesting that there's no sense of any normality for anyone, until everyone has had the vaccine.
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I’ve got a cricket team mate who’s adamant that he’s not having a jab must be scared of being tracked by Bill Gates or something, but the trouble is he’s a self employed electrician industrial and domestic and somehow I very much doubt he’ll be telling his customers that he’s not bothering about the vaccination.
People who have this view are so confusing. Will refuse to get vaccinated and cause others harm in fear of been tracked yet probably has an iPhone or Android phone with a load of apps that can track your location, search history, general conversations, face etc etc etc.
People who talk like that on the vaccine they need to go off grid for real and live in a tent and sh*t in a hole. Then i'd accept their concerns
I totally agree, in the months and years to come tradesmen coming to your property to work will have show an up to date vaccination certificate. Those that don’t won’t be getting much work
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My point is if all the fans in the stadium have had the jab then if they are carrying the virus they can only pass it on to someone else who has had the jab so they are far less likely to catch it. I think that all other safety protocols should be followed though ie safe distancing and the possible wearing of masks.
In the stadium but then they go home and can pass it around. Unfortunately we need to wait for vast majority of country to be vaccinated before they'll open up things like football stadiums
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Not really fair though is it?
Why isn’t it fair? Covid is real, it has contributed to the early deaths of many, it’s mutating quickly and nobody knows how infectious it could become or even if it will become more deadly so not having the jab should have consequences given those would be more likely to be carriers
But the vaccine doesn't stop you from passing it on sooooo
No it doesn’t but not having it makes it more likely to contract it, as yet I’ve not heard one single argument why you shouldn’t have it.
My point was aimed at the op. Being lucky to get the vaccine first shouldn't entitle a normal life ahead of others.
Apologies BYFP it didn’t read that way
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One of the earlier posters asked What about those who refuse to get vaccinated? I have no answer to that directly but I will say that I was in hospital at the start of the month. I was first ill late Dec and very ill by about 23rd Dec. I was on Oxygen by the 2nd Jan. I've been out a little over 3 weeks. I can breathe mostly without issue, eat but I have been left fighting other issues some serious some less so that I did not have pre Covid. I was unsure about the vaccination, but other than being slightly overweight I have otherwise always been in good health and reasonably active/involved in sport. Less so last few years due to work demands. I'm only early 40's but I had to dig deep within me to get out of hospital and I am still far from well but determined to get better. When the vaccine comes I will take it because I'm not sure I would survive what I've been through twice. You all have to make your own decisions . I'm not telling anyone what to do. Hope we can all get through this and back to football and the other enjoyable things in life ASAP.
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There's a virus that's killed north of 100k people in this country and has decimated society as we know it. The countries leading scientists have developed a vaccine? Tell me again why you wouldn't taken it?
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By my understanding (maybe check this out) being vaccinated even twice does not mean you a) cant catch it or b) cannot give it to someone else
I read that if you have the vaccination and you do catch it you are just less likely to die or be more terribly affected than if you didnt have the vaccination
Its what I keep hearing though of course the Government will be keen to let people think they are protected (I will ask the question on Coronavirus in Off Topic rather than hijack this thread)
the vaccine will not stop you catching covid or passing it on , it is hoped that it stops you from needing hospital treatment taking presser of the front
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My point is if all the fans in the stadium have had the jab then if they are carrying the virus they can only pass it on to someone else who has had the jab so they are far less likely to catch it. I think that all other safety protocols should be followed though ie safe distancing and the possible wearing of masks.
What chance has the under 30s of having the vaccine ?
The same people that have given up so much to protect the the vulnerable.
The same people that will be paying for this in the future.
The same people that will never be able to retire at a reasonable age, unlike the baby boomers from the war.
Now you want to be let into the ground lol.
Next it will be to go on holiday ?
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By my understanding (maybe check this out) being vaccinated even twice does not mean you a) cant catch it or b) cannot give it to someone else
I read that if you have the vaccination and you do catch it you are just less likely to die or be more terribly affected than if you didnt have the vaccination
Its what I keep hearing though of course the Government will be keen to let people think they are protected (I will ask the question on Coronavirus in Off Topic rather than hijack this thread)
the vaccine will not stop you catching covid or passing it on , it is hoped that it stops you from needing hospital treatment taking presser of the front
As I've said in another thread, there is strong evidence coming out of Israel (which has the highest vaccination rate in the world) that the vaccine DOES help to reduce transmission. That puts people refusing to be vaccinated in a very stark light now.
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It doesn't have to be a government decision, some companies might decide to implement restrictions off their own bats.
That Pimlico Plumbers bloke has insisted his employess are vaccinated - or they are OUT
Employment lawyers looking into it to see if it is "legal"
He says it up to employees of course and if they choose not to get "done" he will let them go to houses where the householder says they will accept someone who has not been vaccinated
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One of the earlier posters asked What about those who refuse to get vaccinated? I have no answer to that directly but I will say that I was in hospital at the start of the month. I was first ill late Dec and very ill by about 23rd Dec. I was on Oxygen by the 2nd Jan. I've been out a little over 3 weeks. I can breathe mostly without issue, eat but I have been left fighting other issues some serious some less so that I did not have pre Covid. I was unsure about the vaccination, but other than being slightly overweight I have otherwise always been in good health and reasonably active/involved in sport. Less so last few years due to work demands. I'm only early 40's but I had to dig deep within me to get out of hospital and I am still far from well but determined to get better. When the vaccine comes I will take it because I'm not sure I would survive what I've been through twice. You all have to make your own decisions . I'm not telling anyone what to do. Hope we can all get through this and back to football and the other enjoyable things in life ASAP.
WOW - thats an awful read SD - terrifying in fact
Glad you are here to tell us all about it and sincerely good point about the Vaccine.
I have never been one of those telling others not to have or trust the vaccine but I was not going to have one (by personal choice) BUT I changed my mind recently - as it would be stupid not to have one (for ME personally) and reading your story my new position is strengthened
I should really have Flu vaccine each year too but take many other drugs already and I always turn it down. I was offered one yesterday when I went for a routine Blood test and again said NO but said I will have Covid jab when my turn comes
NHS Nurse said she had not wanted one but thought she ought to but said she " wont be having the second one as I had a bad reaction to the first one". Even that did not dampen my resolve and I will wait patiently and probably will fall the wrong side of the age 70 line.
I will get to that milestone later this month but after the deadline to do over 70s by Feb15 had passed lol so may be a long wait as I also know people of 82 and 80 who have not been offered anything yet
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I was due to have my first one at 12 today. Surgery just rang, it's cancelled due to the 3-4inches of snow.
Now going on Thursday at 12.
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As others have said, the vaccine is not a force field that is impregnable by COVID, it just means your body is pre-loaded with the tools to fight it when it encounters it.
I would imagine someone having a successful fight with the virus and beating could still spread the virus, but is surely less likely to spread it than someone who is losing the battle and absolutely riddled with it, coughing and spluttering everywhere.
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As others have said, the vaccine is not a force field that is impregnable by COVID, it just means your body is pre-loaded with the tools to fight it when it encounters it.
I would imagine someone having a successful fight with the virus and beating could still spread the virus, but is surely less likely to spread it than someone who is losing the battle and absolutely riddled with it, coughing and spluttering everywhere.
My thoughts exactly, keyser_soze.
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Not really fair though is it?
Why isn’t it fair? Covid is real, it has contributed to the early deaths of many, it’s mutating quickly and nobody knows how infectious it could become or even if it will become more deadly so not having the jab should have consequences given those would be more likely to be carriers
But the vaccine doesn't stop you from passing it on sooooo
No it doesn’t but not having it makes it more likely to contract it, as yet I’ve not heard one single argument why you shouldn’t have it.
My point was aimed at the op. Being lucky to get the vaccine first shouldn't entitle a normal life ahead of others.
Why Not?
I've spent a year or so protecting the vulnerable by following all of the rules. Now those vulnerable have a vaccine is it ok that they just to back to normal? It won't work that way, you will still need masks etc.
Another way of putting it, I've had it recently, I'm likely immune can I go to the game on Saturday but just with others who still likely have some immunity?
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Been on the fence about this but there's been a lot of debate about anti-Vaxxers on Facebook lately. I am now coming forward to stand up and say I'm firmly in the anti-Vax camp. And I know most will be rolling their eyes at this now.
I have my reasons, like many anti-Vaxxers, but it's important that everyone approaches this sensitive topic armed with the information THEY know to be true. I know my truth and I have first hand experience that backs up my stance.
I had a Vax once and it was the noisiest, worst vacuum cleaner ever. I will never buy one again. All these armchair experts have clearly never experienced the disappointment of having to go over the same piece of carpet again and again to pick up the same piece of fluff.
I am firmly in the shark camp now, and I will not be told otherwise !!!
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You're dyson with death trying to bring humour to this forum!
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Brill :thumbsup:
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Wey-hey.
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One of the earlier posters asked What about those who refuse to get vaccinated? I have no answer to that directly but I will say that I was in hospital at the start of the month. I was first ill late Dec and very ill by about 23rd Dec. I was on Oxygen by the 2nd Jan. I've been out a little over 3 weeks. I can breathe mostly without issue, eat but I have been left fighting other issues some serious some less so that I did not have pre Covid. I was unsure about the vaccination, but other than being slightly overweight I have otherwise always been in good health and reasonably active/involved in sport. Less so last few years due to work demands. I'm only early 40's but I had to dig deep within me to get out of hospital and I am still far from well but determined to get better. When the vaccine comes I will take it because I'm not sure I would survive what I've been through twice. You all have to make your own decisions . I'm not telling anyone what to do. Hope we can all get through this and back to football and the other enjoyable things in life ASAP.
That's frightening SD, I'm glad you fought through it and I wish you a full and speedy recovery.
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My point is if all the fans in the stadium have had the jab then if they are carrying the virus they can only pass it on to someone else who has had the jab so they are far less likely to catch it. I think that all other safety protocols should be followed though ie safe distancing and the possible wearing of masks.
What chance has the under 30s of having the vaccine ?
The same people that have given up so much to protect the the vulnerable.
The same people that will be paying for this in the future.
The same people that will never be able to retire at a reasonable age, unlike the baby boomers from the war.
Now you want to be let into the ground lol.
Next it will be to go on holiday ?
So it's just younger people who given up so much?
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My point is if all the fans in the stadium have had the jab then if they are carrying the virus they can only pass it on to someone else who has had the jab so they are far less likely to catch it. I think that all other safety protocols should be followed though ie safe distancing and the possible wearing of masks.
What chance has the under 30s of having the vaccine ?
The same people that have given up so much to protect the the vulnerable.
The same people that will be paying for this in the future.
The same people that will never be able to retire at a reasonable age, unlike the baby boomers from the war.
Now you want to be let into the ground lol.
Next it will be to go on holiday ?
So it's just younger people who given up so much?
Did i say it was ONLY them ?
When will the under 30s get the vaccine ? bet its after everyone gets their second jab.
The old and venerable need to appreciate what they have done by locking down, not just now but in the future, and not post about being allowed back into the ground because they have had it.
Wasn't that long ago that they were to blame for the second spike by the press and others...what a load of BS
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I'm with you on a lot of that. There is a very misanthropic thread running through many in the Baby Boomer generation. For example, as you say, younger people who are not massively at risk from COVID are making massive sacrifices to keep older people safe. But in opinion polls, a big majority of over 65s say that it is other people who are to blame for the virus being such a threat. Despite the huge evidence that, when lockdowns are ordered, the overwhelming majority of people stick to it, and the case numbers drop rapidly.
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I'm old and venerable, I hope you're not talking about me!
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I don't think any of this is about specific individuals Pies. But there is something about the average attitudes of Baby Boomers as a group that is ungenerous to other people.
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Seems the old aren't so venerable after all!
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My point is if all the fans in the stadium have had the jab then if they are carrying the virus they can only pass it on to someone else who has had the jab so they are far less likely to catch it. I think that all other safety protocols should be followed though ie safe distancing and the possible wearing of masks.
What chance has the under 30s of having the vaccine ?
The same people that have given up so much to protect the the vulnerable.
The same people that will be paying for this in the future.
The same people that will never be able to retire at a reasonable age, unlike the baby boomers from the war.
Now you want to be let into the ground lol.
Next it will be to go on holiday ?
So it's just younger people who given up so much?
Did i say it was ONLY them ?
When will the under 30s get the vaccine ? bet its after everyone gets their second jab.
The old and venerable need to appreciate what they have done by locking down, not just now but in the future, and not post about being allowed back into the ground because they have had it.
Wasn't that long ago that they were to blame for the second spike by the press and others...what a load of BS
So if it's not just the younger people why talk about just the under 30's and what they have given up? If thats not just younger people you are talking about I don't know what is. Everyone has made sacrifices and given up so much to protect the vulnerable.
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By the time it is deemed safe to return all clubs outside the PL will have ceased to exist.
Then we can all sit at home watching on SKY, wearing your favourite/who ever is at the top of the league shirt eating popcorn. The FA, PL, OB will all be happy as they won't have to put up with all those horrible little clubs and proper supporters anymore.
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I don't think any of this is about specific individuals Pies. But there is something about the average attitudes of Baby Boomers as a group that is ungenerous to other people.
Sorry Billy, I was just indulging myself in the chance of first dibs in picking up NED's typo (infantile of me I know and doubtless another predictive text anomaly). I should know better.
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I don't think any of this is about specific individuals Pies. But there is something about the average attitudes of Baby Boomers as a group that is ungenerous to other people.
Sorry Billy, I was just indulging myself in the chance of first dibs in picking up NED's typo (infantile of me I know and doubtless another predictive text anomaly). I should know better.
Been a busy day Pies. I missed the subtlety!
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I'm old and venerable, I hope you're not talking about me!
Sorry Pieman....do I really have to go back and modify for your benefit ?
Been busy at work all day.
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I wish I had time to go on internet forums when I was busy at work!
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I wish I had time to go on internet forums when I was busy at work!
Make time BB.
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Time management is the phrase BB. That's why so many MPs have various other jobs.