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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: BillyStubbsTears on March 01, 2021, 02:20:33 pm
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Big one coming up this week. This will set the political agenda for the rest of this Parliament.
But here's a sign of how things have changed. Leaking Budget secrets before the formal announcement to the House used to lead to Chancellors resigning in disgrace. Now it is just routine...
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-56218952?__twitter_impression=true
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All I can offer is "Hi risk anus" as an anagram
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Something to consider when Sunak starts talking about balancing the books. The standard argument for Austerity from the right is: what happens if interest rates go up and we have to start spending more to service the debt? Get the debt down now! (Aside: They said that all through the 2010s - Govt bond rates fell. But the argument keeps coming back.)
Yes, the Govt has taken out eye watering amounts of debt over the past year to deal with COVID. £485bn to date (which dwarfs what Labour borrowed in 2008-09, when the Tories were accusing them of being totally irresponsible - none of that nonsense politicking going on this time I see).
Thing is, who has it been borrowed from? The numbers are out now. £450bn of that has been borrowed from the Bank of England. So there is no danger of use being held over a barrel by foreign capital markets. Anyone using the hypothetical interest rate argument is conning you.
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Useful primer here by the BBC economics correspondent. https://twitter.com/andyverity/status/1366398494114799619
Like he says, Attlee's Govt faced the biggest debt in our history at the end of WWII and it dealt with it by spending even more, to get the economy turbocharged. That set us up for one of the best thirty years of economic performance in our history, transforming the lives and prospects of genenrations. That is precisely what we should be planning to do now. Not playing games with tax,
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But we should tax a little surely? Not so much because of debt (though it helps) but to rebalance parts of the economy. Even for someone of a more centre right low tax persuasion, I am absolutely sure that your Amazon's, ASOS etc are getting away with minimal obligations.
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Wonder whete the funds came from for Sunaks little smug video?
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Isn't it from his campaign fund for party leader?
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"The BBC is just leftie propaganda!"
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1367059443939225602?s=20
I mean, this is just shameless isn't it? Last budget they literally showed cartoons of him as Superman, now this - they're not even trying to offer analysis, just fluff him.
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That's just beyond belief MM. For the BBC to be pushing a propaganda video.
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On a related note, this is a useful crib sheet for considering the Budget speech.
https://mobile.twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1367067924457005058
Just a few weeks ago, Kuenssberg was doing her job of being a spokesperson for Govt propaganda by insisting on TV that we had maxed out the national credit card. Utter, ignorant, politically slanted bullshit parotted out as intellectual fact.
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I suppose the budget must be half decent for the country seeing as no one has been slagging Sunak off on this thread.
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I've spent a little time absorbing the big picture of the Budget.
Frankly, it is awful. Hidden away in the small print, Sunak is saying that day-to-day Govt spending is going to be cut by £15bn per year in 22/23. At precisely the time when we need to be growing our way out of the crisis.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PJTheEconomist/status/1367166712500658180
The OBR report accompanying the Budget says that we are accepting that we don't get back to the (already tepid) trend of GDP that we were expecting before the crisis. We are planning to have an economy about 5% smaller throughout the 2020s than were were expecting it to be 18 months ago. That'll be £1trn of lost economic activity over the decade.
Just gobsmacking lack of ambition.
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Bloody hell, Hound!
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Absolute crock of shite, to put it simply.
Significant cuts in everyday public spending (min £4 billion and counting), and it is clear austerity will be the ground on which the next election is fought.
The discussion will be that we cannot afford to keep essential public services (like the NHS) in the public accounts.
This letter in the Times sums up the standard of debate and reportage;
https://twitter.com/michaelujacobs/status/1367041675760197633/photo/1
If anyone talks about "credit card limits" being maxed out.....just shoot them!
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Yes cuts to come in a year and a half. By which point they'll trumpet a better than expected recovery and no need to do them.
Jury is out on some of the measures for me. The tax changes are ok but not revolutionary. Some of the things are good, free ports, green investment banks, fixing the tax brackets, all ok to me. Corporate tax change, questionable, will need to read the details (can't wait to read up on that).
But again they could go further. No business rates review, no online sales taxes. Those are needed to match the different economy.
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Yes cuts to come in a year and a half. By which point they'll trumpet a better than expected recovery and no need to do them.
Jury is out on some of the measures for me. The tax changes are ok but not revolutionary. Some of the things are good, free ports, green investment banks, fixing the tax brackets, all ok to me. Corporate tax change, questionable, will need to read the details (can't wait to read up on that).
But again they could go further. No business rates review, no online sales taxes. Those are needed to match the different economy.
A well balanced view, Big.
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It was never going to be an easy budget to put together when considering what has happened in the last year.
Not everyone will be happy I guess.
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Decent summary of what is known so far, with more detail still to come;
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/budget-2021-11-surprises-hidden-23602576
On the matter of free ports, the evidence I have seen shows they tend to draw in activities from elsewhere in the economy, rather than create new employment.
Does anyone know of data showing they provide a net gain to the UK, rather than a redistribution?
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Albie
Jim O'Neill the ex-Tory Treasury minister and vice-Chair of the Northern Powerhouse was scathing about Freeport's on R4 this evening. He said exactly that about them just pulling in business from elsewhere. He said it was a politically motivated policy to help particular Red Wall seats.
There's a big controlled experiment now going to happen. The stimulus spending that Sunak is now proposing is about 4% of GDP. Biden is commiting to over 8% in the USA, even though the OECD reckons America's economic damage from COVID is less that ours.
Anyone want to bet which economy looks in better shape by 2025, compared to where we are now?
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I'll pick up on the first point. Here in the north it's oft complained that everything is too focussed on the south east. The government now clearly is making steps to address that and people complain about it. I don't believe they are going far enough at all but at least some steps are being made. What I don't understand is why we complain about them.
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I'd want to see a business plan with detailed projections, expected goods and countries that would trade through the port and why, who are the winners and if workers within any freeport have the same standard of protections as those on the rest of the country for what they are worth.
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South Yorkshire missed out on the freeport bid, Doncaster rejected for money from the New Town's scheme and High Street Fund.
Added to this Donny being rejected for a new hospital and the airport rail link. And that's with a new Tory MP.
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I'll pick up on the first point. Here in the north it's oft complained that everything is too focussed on the south east. The government now clearly is making steps to address that and people complain about it. I don't believe they are going far enough at all but at least some steps are being made. What I don't understand is why we complain about them.
O'Neill is vice Chair of Northern Powerhouse. He said the Freeport's will do nothing to help the North overall. They'll just move economic activity from one place in the North to another.
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Well Billy, that is just a guess from O'Neill, as only time will tell whether he is right or wrong, not something to hang your hat on as fact, or wishful thinking which seems to be the undercurrent of your post.
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Selby,
The UK has had Freeports before, until 2012 when the Tories under Cameron ended them for the reasons given.
The question is what difference is there between 2012 and 2021......Brexit is one big change.
So who will be the winners and losers once they come back in, and how will the trading partners in the EU respond to tariff free zones as a point of international trade exchange?
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Freeports are just glorified Bonded/Excise Warehousing. They'll help with throughput periods and therefore help businesses cashflow if used properly, but that's about it. If controlled properly they're useful to have but they won't really generate any extra trade for the UK that Bonded Warehouses can't already handle.
It could be argued that they could attract goods to be warehoused on hold to be transhipped elsewhere but the only place goods are likely to be transhipped to afterwards is the EU, and they've already got several well-established Freezones.
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Levelling up eh?
https://twitter.com/pickardje/status/1367165382314835974?s=21
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So the EU have got free zones Glyn, and they will be of no use to us?
We need to get used to the EU is no longer the centre of our world, in fact our imports from them is already plunging lower and the Germans don't like it one bit
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So the EU have got free zones Glyn, and they will be of no use to us?
We need to get used to the EU is no longer the centre of our world, in fact our imports from them is already plunging lower and the Germans don't like it one bit
Why are you saying Freezones are of no use to us? The UK isn't proposing to have any, so I certainly didn't say that.
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So the EU have got free zones Glyn, and they will be of no use to us?
We need to get used to the EU is no longer the centre of our world, in fact our imports from them is already plunging lower and the Germans don't like it one bit
Seems you know something the Financial Times doesn't selby....
From the FT.
As pre-Brexit stockpiles wind down, we are now entering the next phase of post-Brexit trade adjustment and the early signs are that EU-UK trade volumes are falling.
There are further signs this week that the frictional barriers and uncertainty created by Brexit have impacted trade, with figures published by Germany’s federal statistical agency showing a consistent fall in German exports to the UK.
My colleague in Frankfurt, Martin Arnold, emails to say German exports to Britain in January were down about 30 per cent year-on-year, continuing a trend of declining trade between the two countries since the Brexit referendum. (Separately, Italy reported a 38 per cent drop in exports to the UK and a 70 per cent drop in British imports in January.)
The UK is the fifth-largest market for German goods and services, but exports to Britain from Germany have fallen from a high of €89bn in 2015 — the year before the Brexit referendum — to €66.9bn last year. Crucially, in that five-year period, overall German exports rose 1 per cent.
The federal statistical agency said in a statement that based on extrapolations, exports “will continue to decline in January 2021 due to the effects of the completed Brexit”.
Brexiters often expressed confidence that German trade surpluses with the UK would force Berlin to argue for a more cake-ist deal for the UK, but that always overlooked the fact that German exporters had 26 other EU markets to choose from, and trade takes the line of least resistance.
Maybe cheese to Japan will fix the decline?
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It seems that Sunak forgot to mention this reward for NHS staff in the budget announcement;
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/budget-nhs-pay-rise-nadine-dorries-b1812843.html
If only claps paid the bills, eh!
Yes, it is still only a recommendation...but it tells you a lot about values held dear.
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The argument Dorries was making this morning was beyond belief. Basically that NHS staff should be thankful for their tiny pay rise (in real terms a pay cut) because the rest of the public sector isn't getting anything!
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It seems that Sunak forgot to mention this reward for NHS staff in the budget announcement;
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/budget-nhs-pay-rise-nadine-dorries-b1812843.html
If only claps paid the bills, eh!
Yes, it is still only a recommendation...but it tells you a lot about values held dear.
This happens to us every pay round Albie, typical negotiation tactics to lowball
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Whatever the argument, it is stupefyingly hamfisted politics. We've just asked NHS staff to be in the front line of a war and to stretch themselves to the limit to keep people as safe as we could, then the Govt basically gives them the rods.
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The argument Dorries was making this morning was beyond belief. Basically that NHS staff should be thankful for their tiny pay rise (in real terms a pay cut) because the rest of the public sector isn't getting anything!
"You're not getting f**k all, so tug your forelocks and be bloody grateful you're getting anything at all".
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This is a non story, will everyone stop getting outraged on our (nhs workers) behalf please. This is standard every pay round its nothing new
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At least it is political agenda speak on a political thread for a change!
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Not looking like a non-story for Nurses;
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/nursing-union-sets-up-35m-industrial-action-fund-as-they-prepare-to-strike-over-pitiful-1-pay-rise
Maybe rather than look at the NHS as a whole, it might be better to focus on improving the terms for the lower paid...just a thought!
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Nowt new Albie GMB do this all.the time (my union)
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First of all, this was on the bbc morning news and I am astonished that it is early afternoon before it hits the forum.
Secondly, I agree that it isn’t good for the government that they have offered1% to NHS staff.
The Starmer brigade will have a field day with this.
However I haven’t seen anywhere how much increase they would have offered.
If they have of course, as I said, I haven’t seen it.
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12.5%. That would cost over 1 billion. 1% is too low 2.5-3% perhaps sensible but no more than that.
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12.5%. That would cost over 1 billion. 1% is too low 2.5-3% perhaps sensible but no more than that.
Is that what Labour said.
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No the union feel that's a fair amount, crazy.
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I wonder what the reaction would be from the 2 million-plus people who lost their jobs through the pandemic if the NHS staff got their 12.5% pay rise?
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No the union feel that's a fair amount, crazy.
Ah cheers.
So, although Labour have had a pop at the government about this (justly IMO) they haven’t told anyone what they would have offered.
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If this follows standard pattern (and I would sat this is around my 10th or 11th pay round). 1% is recommended by govt (similar to last couple of times) unions demand double figure rises, nhs employers recommend around 5% govt offers 2 5$ unions um and ah for a month or so, then advise members to agree. GMB advise members to refuse. 2.5% agreed by majority staff (GMB ask members to vote for strike action) 2.5% rise gets paid in September/October pay backdated to April 1st which results in a nice little pre Xmas lump. Watch this space
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Don't give it the poor us from the NHS workers to me .
The latest one doing the rounds is to get the public to protest by slow hand clapping on a Thursday night .
The Met police will no doubt be shyttin themselves as how to control that then and retain public order .
If I was Johnson I wouldn't have given the NHS anything , nothing what so ever , clearly nowt to stop him .
This government have made sure their chums and donors have done very well out of this pandemic and all the NHS has is to slow clap on a random Thursday night .
Feckin laughable .
Deserve what you get in my opinion .
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This is well worth a read. From Britain's leading macroeconomist. The man who correctly advised Brown to keep us out of the Euro, who correctly predicted that the 2010 Austerity would give us a list decade of economic permaslump and who correctly predicted that the Brexit vote would reinforce that slump.
Here he is now. Usually a measured academic, with an excoriating attack on the failure of this Budget.
https://mobile.twitter.com/sjwrenlewis/status/1367790177771470849
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No the union feel that's a fair amount, crazy.
Ah cheers.
So, although Labour have had a pop at the government about this (justly IMO) they haven’t told anyone what they would have offered.
I suppose this is one of those thingys where if he did support them for a decent pay rise automatically those on the fence or the right would cry that it was too much anyway ................... damned if he does ...................etc
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No the union feel that's a fair amount, crazy.
Ah cheers.
So, although Labour have had a pop at the government about this (justly IMO) they haven’t told anyone what they would have offered.
I suppose this is one of those thingys where if he did support them for a decent pay rise automatically those on the fence or the right would cry that it was too much anyway ................... damned if he does ...................etc
TBF isn’t that what happens on here all the time.
However, I think my point is valid though.
Valid criticism is fine but when I listened to Ashworth yesterday I thought it would have been appropriate had he suggested an alternative pay rise option.
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Would you support a pay rise of 5% hound?
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What I think isn’t the case in point though.
Nice deflection though.
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1% is a pay decrease when you consider inflation. I work in the public sector so I'll be getting a decrease. It is what happens when you vote for Conservatives though, you get conservatives.
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What I think isn’t the case in point though.
Nice deflection though.
Showing your colours there hound
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What I think isn’t the case in point though.
Nice deflection though.
Showing your colours there hound
Not sure why you would say that.
I was looking for a constructive discussion but I don’t think you are wanting that.
Anyway, I’m off now so won’t be replying for a while.
Sleep tight.
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A nice simple answer (not a deflection) will do, will you support the nurses with a 5% pay rise?
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I agreed Hound. I thought Labour came across very weakly yesterday, squirmingly refusing to say what sort of pay rise they thought was suitable.
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Try again.....
I wonder what the reaction would be from the 2 million-plus people who lost their jobs through the pandemic if the NHS staff got their 12.5% pay rise?
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BB.
If they understood economics, probably delight, because it would signal a Govt committed to a massive fiscal stimulus which would raise the changes of them getting back to work soon.
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I agreed Hound. I thought Labour came across very weakly yesterday, squirmingly refusing to say what sort of pay rise they thought was suitable.
What sort of pay rise would you support bst, taking in mind that 1-2% would cover inflation?
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BB.
If they understood economics, probably delight, because it would signal a Govt committed to a massive fiscal stimulus which would raise the changes of them getting back to work soon.
So those who have been left jobless, or have lost thousands seeing their businesses collapse would delight in NHS staff getting a 12.5% pay rise? And more to the point, YOU of all people wouldn't have accused the government of being so blatantly inconsiderate and unsympathetic towards those who lost their livelihoods if the government had done so?
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Try again.....
I wonder what the reaction would be from the 2 million-plus people who lost their jobs through the pandemic if the NHS staff got their 12.5% pay rise?
Would not giving them a payrise or giving them a smaller payrise mean them people can get their jobs back?
You're basically asking should all suffer or should some suffer. Some is easily the correct answer.
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The answer to improving the countries economy never is to spend less to reduce debt. The answer is to borrow while interest rates are at their lowest and invest in infrastructure and jobs to get the economy going again as fast as possible. It's easier to pay off debt when you are making more money than paying it off when you have little income.
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I heard yesterday that the expectation is that private sector wage growth this year will be 2.5-3%. I'd have thought that should be an absolute minimum for the NHS. I simply don't understand why Labour didn't have the spine to come out and make that case explicitly.
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The answer to improving the countries economy never is to spend less to reduce debt. The answer is to borrow while interest rates are at their lowest and invest in infrastructure and jobs to get the economy going again as fast as possible. It's easier to pay off debt when you are making more money than paying it off when you have little income.
Absolutely. If only the Tories could get this and make the whole country better off rather than their already wealthy mates!
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I heard yesterday that the expectation is that private sector wage growth this year will be 2.5-3%. I'd have thought that should be an absolute minimum for the NHS. I simply don't understand why Labour didn't have the spine to come out and make that case explicitly.
Because Starmer has no backbone?
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Meanwhile, the Good Law Project has posted
3 days after the High Court ruled Government had acted unlawfully by failing to publish Covid contracts, Boris Johnson stood up in the House of Commons and reassured MPs and the public that all Covid-related contracts were “on the record”. However, the final Order handed down by the Judge today shows that what the Prime Minister told the House was not true.
The Judge confirmed:
“The Defendant has published 608 out of 708 relevant contracts for supplies and services relating to COVID-19 awarded on or before 7 October 2020. In some or all of these cases, the Defendant acted unlawfully by failing to publish the contracts within the period set out in the Crown Commercial Service’s Publication of Central Government Tenders and Contracts: Central Government Transparency Guidance Note (November 2017).”
Remarkably, the Judge’s Order is based on Government’s own figures – so at the same time as Johnson was falsely reassuring MPs, Government lawyers were preparing a statement contradicting him – revealing 100 contracts and dozens of Contract Award Notices were missing from the public record. You can read the final Court Order here and consequential judgment in full here.
Over the course of our judicial review, Government made no less than four attempts to provide an accurate witness statement setting out the number of contracts and Contract Award Notices that had been published late – and they kept getting it wrong. As late as the hearing itself, they said they had published 28% of Contract Award Notices within the 30 day legal limit.
But when asked by the Judge to follow up with evidence of the figures so he could make his final Order, it transpired that Government had actually only published 3% of CANs in the legal timeframe.
Government has not only misled Parliament and placed inaccurate information before the Court, it has misled the country.
Unless contract details are published they cannot be properly scrutinised – there’s no way of knowing where taxpayers’ money is going and why. Billions have been spent with those linked to the Conservative Party and vast sums wasted on PPE that isn’t fit for purpose.
We have a Government, and a Prime Minister, contemptuous of transparency and apparently allergic to accountability. The very least that the public deserves now is the truth.
Thank you,
Jolyon Maugham
Director of Good Law Project
One presumes that money this government has 'blown' on their 'mates' could have better been spent on a pay rise for our nurses and doctors?
But again, Starmer seems lax in not taking the government to task over this! Isn't misleading parliament a rather serious offence?
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Fascinating, isn't it, that the Treasury says we can only find £174m for nurses' pay rises, bu they found nearly half a billion quid to give on uncontested tenders to a pest control company that produced unusable PPE.
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NNK,
Deliberately misleading the HoC is (was) a resignation issue, back in the day.
Ldr is correct in post 46 describing the negotiation process.
What needs to be considered is if this model is appropriate, because a sector wide % increase WIDENS the gap between low earners and high earners in the NHS. At every iteration the relative reward is made more unequal.
Remember a % is dependent upon the baseline figure. If a pay freeze has meant below inflation settlements for some years past, then the RCN demand for 12.5% should be seen as a catch up on the decline set by previous years.
Failure to address this will lead to demoralisation of the staff, and inability to recruit. Over 100k unfilled NHS positions as we speak.
Now who would benefit from staff shortage and a loss of confidence in the service........I know, those who want to privatise the NHS!
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I heard yesterday that the expectation is that private sector wage growth this year will be 2.5-3%. I'd have thought that should be an absolute minimum for the NHS. I simply don't understand why Labour didn't have the spine to come out and make that case explicitly.
BST. I’m in shock.
Me and you are in agreement on a thread that isn’t football related.
Is this a new dawn.
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Does anybody else remember the times past that lots of Tories - Boris included - insisted that lowering taxes increased revenue? :silly:
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Ahh yes, the old Laffer Curve bullshit. One of the most comprehensively demolished pile of right wing economic ba-baa there is, but it keeps on coming back.
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BB.
If they understood economics, probably delight, because it would signal a Govt committed to a massive fiscal stimulus which would raise the changes of them getting back to work soon.
Not sure that's going to help replace the family car we lost at 13 hours notice when my wife was made redundant 3 weeks back.
It's fine for us. My wife has 2 more weeks before starting her new job, so 5 weeks on JSA (works out about a days wage for her she will get).
But it's not fine for those who are less fortunate than us and live week to week month to month as some of her colleagues/team do. So there will be many who don't have that sympathy.
In our company? No pay rises for the third successive year I believe, lots of them would be far better off in the NHS.
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A budget looking to cut money off at this point is dumb with interest rates being historically low and of course the confidence behind the government that all these super trade deals are going give the economy a massive lift and put the rest of europe nay the world in the the shade.
More money to those out of work and lower paid where every penny will be immediately returned to the economy, maintain foreign aid to lead the world and engender good will, spend on economic development in areas we want to trade with and lift any depressed areas of the UK. Unless of course that you don't believe your own recent hype and or you want to carry on with ideological downgrade to the welfare state and sell off the NHS.
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BFYP.
I'm sorry to hear that personal issue but it doesn't change the fact that the very best way to get unemployed people back to work, and higher wages for those in work is large Govt stimulus to the economy. They are pretty much entirely refusing to do that.
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BFYP.
I'm sorry to hear that personal issue but it doesn't change the fact that the very best way to get unemployed people back to work, and higher wages for those in work is large Govt stimulus to the economy. They are pretty much entirely refusing to do that.
To be fair, the £20-a-week Universal Credit uplift is a big stimulus. Much better giving money to those who need to spend it (and keep the economy moving) than cutting taxes for wealthier people who won't spend the money but put it into non-liquid savings and stimulate nothing. The best thing to maintain stimulus would be to make the uplift permanent (and then probably claw it back through below-inflation increases in UC). It'd be politically popular too.
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Agreed Glyn.
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BFYP.
I'm sorry to hear that personal issue but it doesn't change the fact that the very best way to get unemployed people back to work, and higher wages for those in work is large Govt stimulus to the economy. They are pretty much entirely refusing to do that.
Oh thanks but we will be fine, bit of an inconvenience but not the end of the world. My point was more towards those less fortunate than us.of which there are very many. Even I would accept a bit higher tax etc at the minute.
I think there are better ways to do what you say though, not excessive pay rises like some have requested.
Glyn your point is fair and actually similar to what the government has done with the personal allowance policy. Interesting that labour are now against that policy to pause the increases in the personal allowance.
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First time since 2008 I had concerns about job security.
Re. NHS
What about the thousands of private sector workers who have lost their jobs?
What about police, fire and military who have worked through covid lockdowns risking their lives?
What about about every other worker that continued working to keep the country going?
This demand of a pay rise doesn't sit well with me at all.
The economy is on its arse, but yet we've got to fund an NHS pay rise?
To me, it seems like they are using the Pandemic to argue for a pay rise, which seems very wrong to me.
Where is the hypocratic oath does it say working for economic gain.?
They are welcome to transfer to the private sector if they want. But I suspect their value would be a truer reflection there.
Nah, lost respect for any NHS worker demanding a pay rise on the back of the Pandemic.
Well done to the ones who say they don't want one however.
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BFYP.
The whole point is that the very last thing we need right now is for you, or anyone, to be paying more tax. We want people to be earning and spending in a way that drives demand in the economy and gets businesses selling and hiring.
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BFYP.
The whole point is that the very last thing we need right now is for you, or anyone, to be paying more tax. We want people to be earning and spending in a way that drives demand in the economy and gets businesses selling and hiring.
Completely agree, but then that's the whole ethos of the Conservative party right?
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I think the idea is to get the economy going first before starting bump taxes up, when everyone that wants a job has one and the country can then afford to increase taxes without stalling the economy further.
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I think the idea is to get the economy going first before starting bump taxes up, when everyone that wants a job has one and the country can then afford to increase taxes without stalling the economy further.
But that is exactly what the government is doing. The allowance raise this year is happening. Nothing happens until 2021 at earliest.
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BFYP.
The whole point is that the very last thing we need right now is for you, or anyone, to be paying more tax. We want people to be earning and spending in a way that drives demand in the economy and gets businesses selling and hiring.
Completely agree, but then that's the whole ethos of the Conservative party right?
It is the whole ethos of anyone who gives so much as a cursory look at the basic economics. Labour's policy is absolutely that this isn't the time to be increasing taxes.