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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Filo on April 02, 2021, 02:28:03 pm
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He’s that far out of his depth a snorkel wouldn’t save him
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He's cheap though. All that matters
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He's cheap though. All that matters
Not as cheap as your pathetic comment.
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f**king livid how this club has thrown this season away.
Absolute joke
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Totally agree ,that was absolute garbage no fight or willingness to battle and a totally spinless performance , Butlers a nice guy like Jones was , but not cut out for this job
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It's so boring it's unreal.
If they want to sell season tickets they need to appoint a proper manager soon.
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He's cheap though. All that matters
Not as cheap as your pathetic comment.
Why else did he get the job
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Sometimes the caretaker works (Penney). Sometimes it is just about enough (Flynn). Mostly it doesn't work (Jones, Cunningham, Butler).
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I'm afraid no matter who we appoint as manager he would struggle with these players. You can't polish a turd.
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Bramall needs to hold interviews to replace the decision makers involved in this in fact first
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I have been for giving AB a fighting chance, but now it is definitely time to go back to playing for him and bring in a proven manager never mind saving money
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He's cheap though. All that matters
Go and get a life.
You really are the cheapest thing on here with comments like that.
Supporter of DRFC give me strength.
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Redarmy. Out of interest what is cheap ?
What wages do you call cheap? Genuine question and I eagerly await your response.
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We have failed to score in 5 of the last 6 games. We've kept 2 clean sheets in 15 games.
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Butler inherited a team that, even when playing badly always looked dangerous.
We now look utterly devoid of any attacking plan.
In the last 6 games, we have scored 2 goals, both in that 4 minute spell at Gillingham. Those apart, I'm struggling to think of a serious chance in 536 minutes.
What a catastrophic decision to give Butler the job. We were all but nailed on for the playoffs and we are going to end up 11th or 12th.
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My frustration and concern is clearly results but also Butler talked about having time to get things working over the last few weeks. We've gone backwards. I haven't seen anything that demonstrates what Butler is trying to do.
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While I agree it’s time to get someone else in, we can’t just blame butler some of the players don’t even look interested, charlton wanted to win every ball every second ball we showed no passion whatsoever, the players have to take responsibility to
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He's cheap as in he was already on a wage anyway. Moore no longer on a wage. Thick or what.
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Redarmy. Out of interest what is cheap ?
What wages do you call cheap? Genuine question and I eagerly await your response.
Derek you are wasting your time.
Some seriously clever people on here. You me and all the other real supporters on this forum are totally out of our depth.
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While I agree it’s time to get someone else in, we can’t just blame butler some of the players don’t even look interested, charlton wanted to win every ball every second ball we showed no passion whatsoever, the players have to take responsibility to
Whilst I agree to a point with this, it is the manager responsibility to motivate the players to perform to their best.
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I'm currently on the fence but will probably sway over the next 2/3 games.
I did ask these two questions in the match thread and wasn't given any answers, maybe that was telling.
1. We were in shit form before Butler took over, if someone more experienced (a "proper" manager :|) took over and produced the exact same results due to the negative momentum and lack of confidence of the squad would you all be calling for their head too?
2. This squads done well to be in and around the play offs and I would have wanted them to get automatics or win the play offs if given the chance, however, how many of our own players are capable of playing in the Championship? Other teams challenging for the top few places have at least a handful each, I'm currently struggling to think of one.
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We have failed to score in 5 of the last 6 games. We've kept 2 clean sheets in 15 games.
:ohmy:
But yet some on here think nothing is wrong
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Campsall river is quite clearly watching different games.... look at the stats, watch the performances there’s clearly an issue, players arguing and not giving a shit, if it was a team giving its all then fair enough..... however it’s not and the season is over due to terrible decisions by the board who have no backbone either.... time to go in mine and many others opinions... we can listen to the usual Bramall supporters but it’s a result driven industry
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I dont think he knows what he is doing. Why bring on Richard's & then put Smith as the attacking midfielder. Why ask Bostock to play so deep when he is probably the most creative player we have.
From what I have heard from inside the camp, the senior players do not have any confidence in what Butler is doing and training is basically not worth doing!
Hopefully today's defeat has convinced the powers that be that he will not be in charge next season!!
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You could pick the bones out of all things DRFC at the moment and not stop typing. From the bottom up is an absolute shambles. Unfortunately for Butts we cant change the players and he is completely out of his depth.
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It’s was quite telling in the second half that Anderson was screaming and shouting at players in front of him. Obviously he’s not too happy with what’s happening further up the field and the effort being put in.
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Bostock plays over 80% of his passes sideways or backwards and most of his other passes never find there target. I just don’t see what everyone sees in him
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It’s was quite telling in the second half that Anderson was screaming and shouting at players in front of him. Obviously he’s not too happy with what’s happening further up the field and the effort being put in.
To be fair players shout at each other at all teams.
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While I agree it’s time to get someone else in, we can’t just blame butler some of the players don’t even look interested, charlton wanted to win every ball every second ball we showed no passion whatsoever, the players have to take responsibility to
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To be fair to Butler he was suddenly dropped in it with the sudden departure (in what seemed overnight) of Darren Moore. So why is it Rovers have to take 7 weeks over an advertising and interviewing process? The board need to get another manager in before we are in a relegation battle, or probably it is too late anyway. I can't see any easy wins now with a team that lacks motivation.
Is there something behind the scenes we don't know about that pissed off Moore and the players?
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Oh come on! We were hopeless for a good period before Butler took over. The wheels had already come off. Think we need to take a long look at some of these players.
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I may have missed this in a previous post, but why is Butler not player manager? It may be a bit old school, but surely he still has something to offer and may bring something to the defence again. He looks like a fish out of water on the touch line.
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I may have missed this in a previous post, but why is Butler not player manager? It may be a bit old school, but surely he still has something to offer and may bring something to the defence again. He looks like a fish out of water on the touch line.
I think he stepped back from playing by his own choice when took the manager's job.
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AB said he did this once ( player manager) v Wolves and he missed too much.... hence the decision to not play again this season.
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Redarmy. Out of interest what is cheap ?
What wages do you call cheap? Genuine question and I eagerly await your response.
Derek you are wasting your time.
Some seriously clever people on here. You me and all the other real supporters on this forum are totally out of our depth.
So are you suggesting that the only real supporters are those who blindly follow everything that is put in front of them and can see no faults?
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Redarmy. Out of interest what is cheap ?
What wages do you call cheap? Genuine question and I eagerly await your response.
Derek you are wasting your time.
Some seriously clever people on here. You me and all the other real supporters on this forum are totally out of our depth.
There's a difference between a real supporter and blinkered !
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I may have missed this in a previous post, but why is Butler not player manager? It may be a bit old school, but surely he still has something to offer and may bring something to the defence again. He looks like a fish out of water on the touch line.
I think he stepped back from playing by his own choice when took the manager's job.
He must have thought he was good at this manager lark after managing a minor league Womens team
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If Sheff Wed can nick Moore in a few days why can't we get another manager in before Easter is over? A manager that isn't a mate to the players and will kick ass when needed.
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The team are missing a leader on the pitch. It’s very apparent there is no glue sticking the team together on the pitch. The whole team looked clueless for large parts of the game. Incomplete passes in midfield. Passes into areas when there were no players, haphazard defending at times. Time for him to get his boots on again perhaps ?
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I'm currently on the fence but will probably sway over the next 2/3 games.
I did ask these two questions in the match thread and wasn't given any answers, maybe that was telling.
1. We were in shit form before Butler took over, if someone more experienced (a "proper" manager :|) took over and produced the exact same results due to the negative momentum and lack of confidence of the squad would you all be calling for their head too?
2. This squads done well to be in and around the play offs and I would have wanted them to get automatics or win the play offs if given the chance, however, how many of our own players are capable of playing in the Championship? Other teams challenging for the top few places have at least a handful each, I'm currently struggling to think of one.
Oh so quiet.
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Alright it's mad but I suggested this in lucky pint so I'll put it out in here too.
Put Copps in charge until we find a new appointment. I know but he's got a lot of experience under a lot of managers and coaches. He comes across as an intelligent lad, why not put it to him?
Realistically nothing is expected of the team at the moment, if the poor form continues, we'll then its not Copps fault. It's just a difficult job, someone is coming in.
But if he pulls off a couple of wins, then playoffs aren't out of sight. It would buff up his crown nicely.
Would it be such a mad gamble?
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Of course Butler has to come in for criticism , he's the manager after all .
However the players too have to be held responsible too .
Amongst the young lads out there this afternoon you had Anderson , Bostock , Coppinger and Bogle who are all vastly experienced players .
These young lads need those players to help them through tough games and I didn't really see any evidence of that today .
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Butler inherited a team that, even when playing badly always looked dangerous.
We now look utterly devoid of any attacking plan.
In the last 6 games, we have scored 2 goals, both in that 4 minute spell at Gillingham. Those apart, I'm struggling to think of a serious chance in 536 minutes.
What a catastrophic decision to give Butler the job. We were all but nailed on for the playoffs and we are going to end up 11th or 12th.
Well i dont recall many fans on this forum at the time AB was given the job, complaining or saying it was a catastophic decision. Lets face it we were on the whole happy for AB to take over.
Its not worked, but for me this is a blessing in disguise.
Just like when fergie, snake and Moore left we will have to build yet again, with an experienced manager.
Butler is not to blame, Moore is.
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I may have missed this in a previous post, but why is Butler not player manager? It may be a bit old school, but surely he still has something to offer and may bring something to the defence again. He looks like a fish out of water on the touch line.
I think he stepped back from playing by his own choice when took the manager's job.
He must have thought he was good at this manager lark after managing a minor league Womens team
Is there any need for this?
I get criticisms of how Butler has done, and myself am having serious doubts about the decision to give him the job now but to have a go at his character like that is needless and unfair. He was asked to take the reins at his boyhood club when the manager left suddenly, he has coaching experience (albeit limited) and wants to make a career of it. He is trying his best and isn't intentionally sabotaging us.
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To be fair to Butler he was suddenly dropped in it with the sudden departure (in what seemed overnight) of Darren Moore. So why is it Rovers have to take 7 weeks over an advertising and interviewing process? The board need to get another manager in before we are in a relegation battle, or probably it is too late anyway. I can't see any easy wins now with a team that lacks motivation.
Is there something behind the scenes we don't know about that pissed off Moore and the players?
He was dropped in it ... by the board who immediately announced that it was his job until the end of the season , instead of offering it out to an experienced manager on the SAME terms . Doh!!
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I didn't know our play off chances are over. Best pack up then
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Hope we do something to show positive steps to have everything up and running for the start of next season.please let us not drag our heels till the last minute. Don’t want the situation where there will be an effect on season tickets sales.we have a habit to leave everything to the last minute.
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I didn't know our play off chances are over. Best pack up then
The players have they must know something we don’t
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I may have missed this in a previous post, but why is Butler not player manager? It may be a bit old school, but surely he still has something to offer and may bring something to the defence again. He looks like a fish out of water on the touch line.
I think he stepped back from playing by his own choice when took the manager's job.
He must have thought he was good at this manager lark after managing a minor league Womens team
Is there any need for this?
I get criticisms of how Butler has done, and myself am having serious doubts about the decision to give him the job now but to have a go at his character like that is needless and unfair. He was asked to take the reins at his boyhood club when the manager left suddenly, he has coaching experience (albeit limited) and wants to make a career of it. He is trying his best and isn't intentionally sabotaging us.
Show me where I said he was intentionally sabotaging us, my point is he is well out of his depth, we saw nothing today to show he is capable of turning this around, no change of tactics, no change of shape, we just watched the same shite for 97 minutes
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Fully agree with tyke, and his comments, bostock was shit scared to put a tackle in, Robertson was shocking.....there’s a massive problem in the changing room it’s obvious ..
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I may have missed this in a previous post, but why is Butler not player manager? It may be a bit old school, but surely he still has something to offer and may bring something to the defence again. He looks like a fish out of water on the touch line.
I think he stepped back from playing by his own choice when took the manager's job.
He must have thought he was good at this manager lark after managing a minor league Womens team
Is there any need for this?
I get criticisms of how Butler has done, and myself am having serious doubts about the decision to give him the job now but to have a go at his character like that is needless and unfair. He was asked to take the reins at his boyhood club when the manager left suddenly, he has coaching experience (albeit limited) and wants to make a career of it. He is trying his best and isn't intentionally sabotaging us.
Show me where I said he was intentionally sabotaging us, my point is he is well out of his depth, we saw nothing today to show he is capable of turning this around, no change of tactics, no change of shape, we just watched the same shite for 97 minutes
I do feel sorry for AB. Today he picks two hopeless strikers as we have nobody else. We desperately needed a change up front but we don't have another striker on the bench. What chance has he got.
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I may have missed this in a previous post, but why is Butler not player manager? It may be a bit old school, but surely he still has something to offer and may bring something to the defence again. He looks like a fish out of water on the touch line.
I think he stepped back from playing by his own choice when took the manager's job.
He must have thought he was good at this manager lark after managing a minor league Womens team
Is there any need for this?
I get criticisms of how Butler has done, and myself am having serious doubts about the decision to give him the job now but to have a go at his character like that is needless and unfair. He was asked to take the reins at his boyhood club when the manager left suddenly, he has coaching experience (albeit limited) and wants to make a career of it. He is trying his best and isn't intentionally sabotaging us.
Show me where I said he was intentionally sabotaging us, my point is he is well out of his depth, we saw nothing today to show he is capable of turning this around, no change of tactics, no change of shape, we just watched the same shite for 97 minutes
You implied he's arrogant in that post I've quoted, your points on the team are valid but to just make a comment like that about Butler himself is uncalled for and that's what I'm challenging.
Football fans are so fickle. Butler is a club legend here and nearly all of us were happy enough to let him have a go at the job when Moore left us high and dry. One month later he is getting slated and I think that's completely unfair, to turn on him as a person so quickly.
Maybe it isn't working, maybe he shouldn't be in charge of the team, but let's be reasonable. I don't think Butler is an arrogant person and he will be as frustrated as all of us that the form has gone off a cliff.
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Bostock needs to have a word with that God fella he keeps banging on about
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I beg this club to prove to the supporters that they want promotion this season.
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Redarmy. Out of interest what is cheap ?
What wages do you call cheap? Genuine question and I eagerly await your response.
Derek you are wasting your time.
Some seriously clever people on here. You me and all the other real supporters on this forum are totally out of our depth.
So are you suggesting that the only real supporters are those who blindly follow everything that is put in front of them and can see no faults?
for me that is burying there heads in the sand. We are all good Rovers fans but we just see things different, just cos some want things to change doesn’t make you a none fan or them a better fan than you just makes you different
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Bostock needs to have a word with that God fella he keeps banging on about
Keep religion out it , it never ends well !!
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I really don't see giving Copps the job is any solution. He has never shown any managerial ambition, also has less experience than Butler, and seems a nice guy-probably not what DRFC need just now. Advertise, or poach someone like Coleman at Accrington, know it's not been our way but perhaps being the nice little family club isn't doing us any favours?
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I may have missed this in a previous post, but why is Butler not player manager? It may be a bit old school, but surely he still has something to offer and may bring something to the defence again. He looks like a fish out of water on the touch line.
I think he stepped back from playing by his own choice when took the manager's job.
He must have thought he was good at this manager lark after managing a minor league Womens team
Is there any need for this?
I get criticisms of how Butler has done, and myself am having serious doubts about the decision to give him the job now but to have a go at his character like that is needless and unfair. He was asked to take the reins at his boyhood club when the manager left suddenly, he has coaching experience (albeit limited) and wants to make a career of it. He is trying his best and isn't intentionally sabotaging us.
Show me where I said he was intentionally sabotaging us, my point is he is well out of his depth, we saw nothing today to show he is capable of turning this around, no change of tactics, no change of shape, we just watched the same shite for 97 minutes
You implied he's arrogant in that post I've quoted, your points on the team are valid but to just make a comment like that about Butler himself is uncalled for and that's what I'm challenging.
Football fans are so fickle. Butler is a club legend here and nearly all of us were happy enough to let him have a go at the job when Moore left us high and dry. One month later he is getting slated and I think that's completely unfair, to turn on him as a person so quickly.
Maybe it isn't working, maybe he shouldn't be in charge of the team, but let's be reasonable. I don't think Butler is an arrogant person and he will be as frustrated as all of us that the form has gone off a cliff.
I implied nothing of the sort, it was a sarcastic comment, I have said in a post n the previous match that he’s a nice bloke but not cut out for the job
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Bostock needs to have a word with that God fella he keeps banging on about
Keep religion out it , it never ends well !!
Well looking back at most of Moores signings it is ending badly isn't it?
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Bostock plays over 80% of his passes sideways or backwards and most of his other passes never find there target. I just don’t see what everyone sees in him
I said this in the lucky pint thread. Neat and tidy but doesn’t actually do a lot.
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I'm currently on the fence but will probably sway over the next 2/3 games.
I did ask these two questions in the match thread and wasn't given any answers, maybe that was telling.
1. We were in shit form before Butler took over, if someone more experienced (a "proper" manager :|) took over and produced the exact same results due to the negative momentum and lack of confidence of the squad would you all be calling for their head too?
2. This squads done well to be in and around the play offs and I would have wanted them to get automatics or win the play offs if given the chance, however, how many of our own players are capable of playing in the Championship? Other teams challenging for the top few places have at least a handful each, I'm currently struggling to think of one.
Oh so quiet.
1. You’d expect an experienced manager to have more of an idea of how to turn things around having had some exposure to dips in form before and managing players’ confidence. We’ve not seen anything from Butler, either between games or in-game, that suggests he can do this. If we’d had a new, experienced manager in and had identical results there would have been some grumblings and some calls for his head but also probably a bit more expectation that they could turn it around.
2. We’ll have to rebuild the squad whichever league we’re in. I’d rather do it in the Championship than in League One.
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Moores recruitment is a big factor,
We’ve very little experience in that side, nobody at all in midfield or up front with any physicality about them.
As matt mills said it was men against boys, we need some proper footballers that work hard win the ball and give it to the flair players
We’ve a side full of flair players and that’s down to Moore
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Redarmy. Out of interest what is cheap ?
What wages do you call cheap? Genuine question and I eagerly await your response.
Derek you are wasting your time.
Some seriously clever people on here. You me and all the other real supporters on this forum are totally out of our depth.
So are you suggesting that the only real supporters are those who blindly follow everything that is put in front of them and can see no faults?
No I didn’t say that did i.
Look I am not happy about the current situation believe it or not. As it turns out Butts isn’t the right man it would seem. Hindsight eh. Most on this forum thought it was a sensible interim appointment when it was made. Now it has gone pear shaped it was a ridiculous appointment in the beginning.
It’s the hypocrisy I can’t stomach.
What I can’t accept is some of the comments made which are just aimed at the way the club is run.
Same few people week after week. Nothing constructive just slagging the board off and every decision they make or don’t make.
So easy sat behind a key board just coming out with this negativity.
Only ever post when things are going badly. You know who i mean. Same 4/5 people.
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Redarmy. Out of interest what is cheap ?
What wages do you call cheap? Genuine question and I eagerly await your response.
Derek you are wasting your time.
Some seriously clever people on here. You me and all the other real supporters on this forum are totally out of our depth.
So are you suggesting that the only real supporters are those who blindly follow everything that is put in front of them and can see no faults?
No I didn’t say that did i.
Look I am not happy about the current situation believe it or not. As it turns out Butts isn’t the right man it would seem. Hindsight eh. Most on this forum thought it was a sensible interim appointment when it was made. Now it has gone pear shaped it was a ridiculous appointment in the beginning.
It’s the hypocrisy I can’t stomach.
What I can’t accept is some of the comments made which are just aimed at the way the club is run.
Same few people week after week. Nothing constructive just slagging the board off and every decision they make or don’t make.
So easy sat behind a key board just coming out with this negativity.
Only ever post when things are going badly. You know who i mean. Same 4/5 people.
Thats like buying a car you like the look of, engine falls out 5 weeks after and you saying..... ah well it still looks nice, lets see if it fixes itself.
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Redarmy. Out of interest what is cheap ?
What wages do you call cheap? Genuine question and I eagerly await your response.
Derek you are wasting your time.
Some seriously clever people on here. You me and all the other real supporters on this forum are totally out of our depth.
So are you suggesting that the only real supporters are those who blindly follow everything that is put in front of them and can see no faults?
No I didn’t say that did i.
Look I am not happy about the current situation believe it or not. As it turns out Butts isn’t the right man it would seem. Hindsight eh. Most on this forum thought it was a sensible interim appointment when it was made. Now it has gone pear shaped it was a ridiculous appointment in the beginning.
It’s the hypocrisy I can’t stomach.
What I can’t accept is some of the comments made which are just aimed at the way the club is run.
Same few people week after week. Nothing constructive just slagging the board off and every decision they make or don’t make.
So easy sat behind a key board just coming out with this negativity.
Only ever post when things are going badly. You know who i mean. Same 4/5 people.
Thats like buying a car you like the look of, engine falls out 5 weeks after and you saying..... ah well it still looks nice, lets see if it fixes itself.
What on earth are you talking about. Butts was made manager to the end of the season.
So who should have the job now. Who is available that is the right person.
Have you done the research and do you know who is going to make a success of it.
Come on clever what do you know that know one else knows. Sorry 3/4 others know apparently also.
Suggest you form a consortium, buy the club off Bramhall & co with your Monopoly money.
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I’m sorry, but anyone who still thinks we are seriously capable of winning a two-leg playoff and then a final with this team needs to give their head a wobble.
Shockingly poor. Thank good we have points on the board or it could be a lot, lot worse
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Redarmy. Out of interest what is cheap ?
What wages do you call cheap? Genuine question and I eagerly await your response.
Derek you are wasting your time.
Some seriously clever people on here. You me and all the other real supporters on this forum are totally out of our depth.
So are you suggesting that the only real supporters are those who blindly follow everything that is put in front of them and can see no faults?
No I didn’t say that did i.
Look I am not happy about the current situation believe it or not. As it turns out Butts isn’t the right man it would seem. Hindsight eh. Most on this forum thought it was a sensible interim appointment when it was made. Now it has gone pear shaped it was a ridiculous appointment in the beginning.
It’s the hypocrisy I can’t stomach.
What I can’t accept is some of the comments made which are just aimed at the way the club is run.
Same few people week after week. Nothing constructive just slagging the board off and every decision they make or don’t make.
So easy sat behind a key board just coming out with this negativity.
Only ever post when things are going badly. You know who i mean. Same 4/5 people.
Thats like buying a car you like the look of, engine falls out 5 weeks after and you saying..... ah well it still looks nice, lets see if it fixes itself.
What on earth are you talking about. Butts was made manager to the end of the season.
So who should have the job now. Who is available that is the right person.
Have you done the research and do you know who is going to make a success of it.
Come on clever what do you know that know one else knows. Sorry 3/4 others know apparently also.
Suggest you form a consortium, buy the club off Bramhall & co with your Monopoly money.
LOL
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This is turning into a copy of our last L1 freefall, thankfully we have the points to survive this, and not to mention we failed to win L2 in a one horse race, I just don’t see where our next win comes from
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Butler can see out the season for me we'll probably lose every game, but look at us, I can't see us getting the playoffs or doing anything in it whoever the manager is.
The important thing is that we start looking for the right person now for next season not waiting till this season has finished. It needs to be now and in place before summer so we don't miss half of another transfer window to manager upheaval.
Been done to death but Butler as caretaker was a good idea. Giving him the full job and not bothering to look for alternatives was a very bad move. By now we could have had an experienced manager in to try push for playoffs or at least make informed decisions on future contracts. Looks like the new manager will have those contract decisions made for him now
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Redarmy. Out of interest what is cheap ?
What wages do you call cheap? Genuine question and I eagerly await your response.
Derek you are wasting your time.
Some seriously clever people on here. You me and all the other real supporters on this forum are totally out of our depth.
So are you suggesting that the only real supporters are those who blindly follow everything that is put in front of them and can see no faults?
No I didn’t say that did i.
Look I am not happy about the current situation believe it or not. As it turns out Butts isn’t the right man it would seem. Hindsight eh. Most on this forum thought it was a sensible interim appointment when it was made. Now it has gone pear shaped it was a ridiculous appointment in the beginning.
It’s the hypocrisy I can’t stomach.
What I can’t accept is some of the comments made which are just aimed at the way the club is run.
Same few people week after week. Nothing constructive just slagging the board off and every decision they make or don’t make.
So easy sat behind a key board just coming out with this negativity.
Only ever post when things are going badly. You know who i mean. Same 4/5 people.
Thats like buying a car you like the look of, engine falls out 5 weeks after and you saying..... ah well it still looks nice, lets see if it fixes itself.
What on earth are you talking about. Butts was made manager to the end of the season.
So who should have the job now. Who is available that is the right person.
Have you done the research and do you know who is going to make a success of it.
Come on clever what do you know that know one else knows. Sorry 3/4 others know apparently also.
Suggest you form a consortium, buy the club off Bramhall and co with your Monopoly money.
LOL
Is that the best you can do LOL. ;)
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This is turning into a copy of our last L1 freefall, thankfully we have the points to survive this, and not to mention we failed to win L2 in a one horse race, I just don’t see where our next win comes from
Forget the last 6 performances Filo because we beat Pompey and Plymouth under Butts. So you are just fickle and not a real supporter. How dare you say something negative after another shit performance!?
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Redarmy. Out of interest what is cheap ?
What wages do you call cheap? Genuine question and I eagerly await your response.
Derek you are wasting your time.
Some seriously clever people on here. You me and all the other real supporters on this forum are totally out of our depth.
So are you suggesting that the only real supporters are those who blindly follow everything that is put in front of them and can see no faults?
No I didn’t say that did i.
Look I am not happy about the current situation believe it or not. As it turns out Butts isn’t the right man it would seem. Hindsight eh. Most on this forum thought it was a sensible interim appointment when it was made. Now it has gone pear shaped it was a ridiculous appointment in the beginning.
It’s the hypocrisy I can’t stomach.
What I can’t accept is some of the comments made which are just aimed at the way the club is run.
Same few people week after week. Nothing constructive just slagging the board off and every decision they make or don’t make.
So easy sat behind a key board just coming out with this negativity.
Only ever post when things are going badly. You know who i mean. Same 4/5 people.
Thats like buying a car you like the look of, engine falls out 5 weeks after and you saying..... ah well it still looks nice, lets see if it fixes itself.
What on earth are you talking about. Butts was made manager to the end of the season.
So who should have the job now. Who is available that is the right person.
Have you done the research and do you know who is going to make a success of it.
Come on clever what do you know that know one else knows. Sorry 3/4 others know apparently also.
Suggest you form a consortium, buy the club off Bramhall and co with your Monopoly money.
LOL
Is that the best you can do LOL. ;)
Yeah. You win.
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This is turning into a copy of our last L1 freefall, thankfully we have the points to survive this, and not to mention we failed to win L2 in a one horse race, I just don’t see where our next win comes from
Forget the last 6 performances Filo because we beat Pompey and Plymouth under Butts. So you are just fickle and not a real supporter. How dare you say something negative after another shit performance!?
Like catchphrase, say what you see
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At least we've got a nice pitch.
f**king bottle jobs.
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Butler can see out the season for me we'll probably lose every game, but look at us, I can't see us getting the playoffs or doing anything in it whoever the manager is.
The important thing is that we start looking for the right person now for next season not waiting till this season has finished. It needs to be now and in place before summer so we don't miss half of another transfer window to manager upheaval.
Been done to death but Butler as caretaker was a good idea. Giving him the full job and not bothering to look for alternatives was a very bad move. By now we could have had an experienced manager in to try push for playoffs or at least make informed decisions on future contracts. Looks like the new manager will have those contract decisions made for him now
Based on recent performances I'm not sure anyone is worth a new contract.
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At least we've got a nice pitch.
f**king bottle jobs.
Yeah we are easy on the eye as well apparently
We’re not f**king easy on my eyes thats for sure
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At least we've got a nice pitch.
f**king bottle jobs.
Yeah we are easy on the eye as well apparently
We’re not f**king easy on my eyes thats for sure
I thought Matt Mills nailed it both at HT and FT.
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Who are the flair players??
Moores recruitment is a big factor,
We’ve very little experience in that side, nobody at all in midfield or up front with any physicality about them.
As matt mills said it was men against boys, we need some proper footballers that work hard win the ball and give it to the flair players
We’ve a side full of flair players and that’s down to Moore
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We could still be playing now and I doubt we’d have scored. The lack of any kind of creativity or patterns of forward play is staggering.
We appear to have completely given up. Going through the motions and I think it’s going to be a long and slow painful end to the season. We’ve got 2 games now against sides currently in the bottom 4. If we don’t win at least one of those then we should be ashamed
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I'm currently on the fence but will probably sway over the next 2/3 games.
I did ask these two questions in the match thread and wasn't given any answers, maybe that was telling.
1. We were in shit form before Butler took over, if someone more experienced (a "proper" manager :|) took over and produced the exact same results due to the negative momentum and lack of confidence of the squad would you all be calling for their head too?
2. This squads done well to be in and around the play offs and I would have wanted them to get automatics or win the play offs if given the chance, however, how many of our own players are capable of playing in the Championship? Other teams challenging for the top few places have at least a handful each, I'm currently struggling to think of one.
Oh so quiet.
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No, because simply it couldn't be any. Worse, and at least if we had a proper manager, we could look forward to the summer rebuilding process with a stable base . Instead of the current lack of stability, organisation or forward planning.
Really think Baldwin and blunt have f**ked up with this, and the loan policy.
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Sorry if im wrong but have the board not said this job is Butlers til the end of the season regardless or are they prepared to make changes if necessary?
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I'm currently on the fence but will probably sway over the next 2/3 games.
I did ask these two questions in the match thread and wasn't given any answers, maybe that was telling.
1. We were in shit form before Butler took over, if someone more experienced (a "proper" manager :|) took over and produced the exact same results due to the negative momentum and lack of confidence of the squad would you all be calling for their head too?
2. This squads done well to be in and around the play offs and I would have wanted them to get automatics or win the play offs if given the chance, however, how many of our own players are capable of playing in the Championship? Other teams challenging for the top few places have at least a handful each, I'm currently struggling to think of one.
Oh so quiet.
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No, because simply it couldn't be any. Worse, and at least if we had a proper manager, we could look forward to the summer rebuilding process with a stable base . Instead of the current lack of stability, organisation or forward planning.
Really think Baldwin and blunt have f**ked up with this, and the loan policy.
Given Covid I don’t think we had any choice but to persist with the loan policy this season. In normal times we might have been able to invest the whiteman money into permanent players but that isn’t possible. Anyway, getting the likes of Simms on loan has worked well and we mostly get good loans in. How they are being managed and coached into a system is the problem for me
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I'm currently on the fence but will probably sway over the next 2/3 games.
I did ask these two questions in the match thread and wasn't given any answers, maybe that was telling.
1. We were in shit form before Butler took over, if someone more experienced (a "proper" manager :|) took over and produced the exact same results due to the negative momentum and lack of confidence of the squad would you all be calling for their head too?
2. This squads done well to be in and around the play offs and I would have wanted them to get automatics or win the play offs if given the chance, however, how many of our own players are capable of playing in the Championship? Other teams challenging for the top few places have at least a handful each, I'm currently struggling to think of one.
Oh so quiet.
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No, because simply it couldn't be any. Worse, and at least if we had a proper manager, we could look forward to the summer rebuilding process with a stable base . Instead of the current lack of stability, organisation or forward planning.
Really think Baldwin and blunt have f**ked up with this, and the loan policy.
Given Covid I don’t think we had any choice but to persist with the loan policy this season. In normal times we might have been able to invest the whiteman money into permanent players but that isn’t possible. Anyway, getting the likes of Simms on loan has worked well and we mostly get good loans in. How they are being managed and coached into a system is the problem for me
This ridiculous loan policy Was here long before covid.
There is a problem top to bottom at the club.
Zero leadership at board level, and no leadership at dressing room level.
It's pathetic.
Charlton, Sunderland and pompey are 3 clubs in our division with ambitions on promotion.
They appointed experienced managers to take over.
But we appointed our ladies team coach, who's only done that 5 minutes, and has zero football league managing experience.
Absolutely insane decision at board level, unless of course they just wanted the cheap easy option.
They've thrown it away.
Naive at best, incompetent at worst.
Something not right here
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Understandably fans look for scapegoats when there's disappointment around .
Rovers fans this season have had their expectations raised only to fall away so knee jerk reactions are bound to be broadcast .
There isn't a scapegoat in my opinion more rather a collection of events that have turned the season in the wrong direction and gone against you .
Whiteman and Moore leaving were huge blows and unfortunately it appears the young loan lads haven't been able to be consistent enough over a full season .
It does look pretty fragmented at the moment but it probably goes much deeper than simply hanging the interim manager out to dry as inexperienced as he is .
Just my opinion but I feel Rovers need to identify a style of play they want to progress with , hire the manager best placed to deliver that style of play and recruit accordingly .
This at least offers some stability even when managers and players leave because the stability is in the style of play .
Rovers at this moment look very exposed to people leaving the club and it doesn't necessarily have to be so if the playing style is identified and you stick with it .
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I always think if a caretaker from within starts to struggle then sadly its time to get rid quicker than a regular manager. If you know the players and the dressing room you've got a jump on an external appointment so when it starts to go south, like it did with Rob Jones and seemingly now with Butler then its a sign they're out of their depth. Still think play offs can be achievable.
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Butler gets my full support and backing.
Should the board have had a plan B in place - probably.
Should the board have appointed a more experienced manager in my opinion yes.
They didn't - we have a young inexperienced manager who knows and loves the Club and town. He gets my full support and I think he's earned that of all Rovers fans. Enough negativity: back Butler please.
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Butler gets my full support and backing.
Should the board have had a plan B in place - probably.
Should the board have appointed a more experienced manager in my opinion yes.
They didn't - we have a young inexperienced manager who knows and loves the Club and town. He gets my full support and I think he's earned that of all Rovers fans. Enough negativity: back Butler please.
This is the same Butler that turned down a contract at the club he loves to go to Scunthorpe, then only came back after Scunthorpe didn’t tenew his contract, we owe him nothing!
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This is the time when AB could shine. He needs to pick up a bunch of players that are off form, not fuly engaged. He may need to grow some at this point, take no prisoners, be the leader he can be.
I also suspect the club may have irons in the fire and end of season is where they'll be forged.
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Butler gets my full support and backing.
Should the board have had a plan B in place - probably.
Should the board have appointed a more experienced manager in my opinion yes.
They didn't - we have a young inexperienced manager who knows and loves the Club and town. He gets my full support and I think he's earned that of all Rovers fans. Enough negativity: back Butler please.
This is the same Butler that turned down a contract at the club he loves to go to Scunthorpe, then only came back after Scunthorpe didn’t tenew his contract, we owe him nothing!
Wasn't that because he didn't want to play for McCann and was offered a big wage cut?
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This is the same Butler that turned down a contract at the club he loves to go to Scunthorpe, then only came back after Scunthorpe didn’t tenew his contract, we owe him nothing!
Irrelevant to be fair. You're not looking at many very obvious aspects of that, ones that you do know.
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Butlers a joke of a manager ..... get rid now
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Butlers a joke of a manager ..... get rid now
Feck me, you do consistently go for the most basic banalities in your knee jerking appearances n this forum.
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Butler gets my full support and backing.
Should the board have had a plan B in place - probably.
Should the board have appointed a more experienced manager in my opinion yes.
They didn't - we have a young inexperienced manager who knows and loves the Club and town. He gets my full support and I think he's earned that of all Rovers fans. Enough negativity: back Butler please.
This is the same Butler that turned down a contract at the club he loves to go to Scunthorpe, then only came back after Scunthorpe didn’t tenew his contract, we owe him nothing!
Wasn't that because he didn't want to play for McCann and was offered a big wage cut?
Or even McCann didn't want him to play for him?
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Butler gets my full support and backing.
Should the board have had a plan B in place - probably.
Should the board have appointed a more experienced manager in my opinion yes.
They didn't - we have a young inexperienced manager who knows and loves the Club and town. He gets my full support and I think he's earned that of all Rovers fans. Enough negativity: back Butler please.
This is the same Butler that turned down a contract at the club he loves to go to Scunthorpe, then only came back after Scunthorpe didn’t tenew his contract, we owe him nothing!
We offered him a massive pay cut, the same as we did with Blair
Would you stay in your job for a 60% pay cut?
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Understandably fans look for scapegoats when there's disappointment around .
Rovers fans this season have had their expectations raised only to fall away so knee jerk reactions are bound to be broadcast .
There isn't a scapegoat in my opinion more rather a collection of events that have turned the season in the wrong direction and gone against you .
Whiteman and Moore leaving were huge blows and unfortunately it appears the young loan lads haven't been able to be consistent enough over a full season .
It does look pretty fragmented at the moment but it probably goes much deeper than simply hanging the interim manager out to dry as inexperienced as he is .
Just my opinion but I feel Rovers need to identify a style of play they want to progress with , hire the manager best placed to deliver that style of play and recruit accordingly .
This at least offers some stability even when managers and players leave because the stability is in the style of play .
Rovers at this moment look very exposed to people leaving the club and it doesn't necessarily have to be so if the playing style is identified and you stick with it .
Moore leaving wasn't a huge blow, Tyke. We'd been playing sh*te for a long time under his tenure; even in the games we won, we had loads of luck and were hanging on at the end.
Whiteman was the huge loss, and we've never looked like replacing him.
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Butler gets my full support and backing.
Should the board have had a plan B in place - probably.
Should the board have appointed a more experienced manager in my opinion yes.
They didn't - we have a young inexperienced manager who knows and loves the Club and town. He gets my full support and I think he's earned that of all Rovers fans. Enough negativity: back Butler please.
This is the same Butler that turned down a contract at the club he loves to go to Scunthorpe, then only came back after Scunthorpe didn’t tenew his contract, we owe him nothing!
We offered him a massive pay cut, the same as we did with Blair
Would you stay in your job for a 60% pay cut?
I have for the last 12 months
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Nothing against AB but it's not working out for whatever reason. Theres still an awfull lot to play for and the play offs aren't out of sight just yet. We will have got some decent compensation for Moore why don't we just go headhunt somebody from a smaller club ? It happens to us enough so it's about time we were a bit ruthless ourselves. Getting someone in now will at the very least give us time to prepare for next season
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But what would you do if someone else offered you your same job but for the wage you’re on rather than taking a 60% pay cut
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Butler gets my full support and backing.
Should the board have had a plan B in place - probably.
Should the board have appointed a more experienced manager in my opinion yes.
They didn't - we have a young inexperienced manager who knows and loves the Club and town. He gets my full support and I think he's earned that of all Rovers fans. Enough negativity: back Butler please.
This is the same Butler that turned down a contract at the club he loves to go to Scunthorpe, then only came back after Scunthorpe didn’t tenew his contract, we owe him nothing!
Wasn't that because he didn't want to play for McCann and was offered a big wage cut?
Yes it was.
Anyone with a family to support would have done the same.
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At least we've got a nice pitch.
f**king bottle jobs.
Yeah we are easy on the eye as well apparently
We’re not f**king easy on my eyes thats for sure
I thought Matt Mills nailed it both at HT and FT.
Matt Mills was a very good defender, but when comes on Sky and all but says that Andy Butler should be sacked and replaced by an ex team mate of his, namely Richie Wellens he went down massively in my opinion. He would no doubt be touting in himself as his assistant or on his coaching staff, well he tried being a coach at another Rovers, Forest Green but got bombed out of there for being useless. Mills should stick to being a ten bob Bank Holiday pundit while he can, as sure as eggs are eggs he’ll get sacked of that job soon
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Before the game when talking to the Charlton Manager his body language was not confident. Obviously they knew each other well but it was not a good sign. His lack of experience will let him down.
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Butlers a joke of a manager ..... get rid now
And look who’s popped up again the non Doncaster Rovers supporting Mr Gibson, I bet you appear under other names on other clubs forums, I must say well done for commenting so soon, now move on to Rotherham’s or Wednesday’s forum, bye for now.
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At least we've got a nice pitch.
f**king bottle jobs.
Yeah we are easy on the eye as well apparently
We’re not f**king easy on my eyes thats for sure
I thought Matt Mills nailed it both at HT and FT.
Matt Mills was a very good defender, but when comes on Sky and all but says that Andy Butler should be sacked and replaced by an ex team mate of his, namely Richie Wellens he went down massively in my opinion. He would no doubt be touting in himself as his assistant or on his coaching staff, well he tried being a coach at another Rovers, Forest Green but got bombed out of there for being useless. Mills should stick to being a ten bob Bank Holiday pundit while he can, as sure as eggs are eggs he’ll get sacked of that job soon
But he still nailed our performance at HT and FT. Nice posession but predictable, passive, pedestrian, made it comfortable for Charlton, never tried to change the way we played, no creativity...... You may think hes a knob but can anybody argue with any of those comments?
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Understandably fans look for scapegoats when there's disappointment around .
Rovers fans this season have had their expectations raised only to fall away so knee jerk reactions are bound to be broadcast .
There isn't a scapegoat in my opinion more rather a collection of events that have turned the season in the wrong direction and gone against you .
Whiteman and Moore leaving were huge blows and unfortunately it appears the young loan lads haven't been able to be consistent enough over a full season .
It does look pretty fragmented at the moment but it probably goes much deeper than simply hanging the interim manager out to dry as inexperienced as he is .
Just my opinion but I feel Rovers need to identify a style of play they want to progress with , hire the manager best placed to deliver that style of play and recruit accordingly .
This at least offers some stability even when managers and players leave because the stability is in the style of play .
Rovers at this moment look very exposed to people leaving the club and it doesn't necessarily have to be so if the playing style is identified and you stick with it .
Moore leaving wasn't a huge blow, Tyke. We'd been playing sh*te for a long time under his tenure; even in the games we won, we had loads of luck and were hanging on at the end.
Whiteman was the huge loss, and we've never looked like replacing him.
There's always ups and downs in a season Steve , promotion from League One is massively difficult , even the bigger clubs like Ipswich and Sunderland haven't cracked the nut and there's plenty of historic previous with Leeds , Sheffield United and Nottingham Forest .
It wasn't plain sailing for us under Stendel two years ago and that's with possibly the best group of players in league one and we didn't win the league either when perhaps we should have done .
It was one of the hardest earned promotions I've personally seen and I'm 55 years in .
Losing Moore in my opinion was a massive blow in terms of stability .
The form under Moore may not have been great before he left but the form since his departure speaks for itself .
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At least we've got a nice pitch.
f**king bottle jobs.
Yeah we are easy on the eye as well apparently
We’re not f**king easy on my eyes thats for sure
I thought Matt Mills nailed it both at HT and FT.
Matt Mills was a very good defender, but when comes on Sky and all but says that Andy Butler should be sacked and replaced by an ex team mate of his, namely Richie Wellens he went down massively in my opinion. He would no doubt be touting in himself as his assistant or on his coaching staff, well he tried being a coach at another Rovers, Forest Green but got bombed out of there for being useless. Mills should stick to being a ten bob Bank Holiday pundit while he can, as sure as eggs are eggs he’ll get sacked of that job soon
Mills has moved on and is now pursuing business interests outside of football. He has zero interest in joining a backroom staff.
You could argue that he was being a bit too opinionated. Whether Sky think he's gone a bit far we'll see but all he's done is vocalise a lot of fan opinion (if not necessarily that of this forum).
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Redarmy. Out of interest what is cheap ?
What wages do you call cheap? Genuine question and I eagerly await your response.
Derek you are wasting your time.
Some seriously clever people on here. You me and all the other real supporters on this forum are totally out of our depth.
So are you suggesting that the only real supporters are those who blindly follow everything that is put in front of them and can see no faults?
No I didn’t say that did i.
Look I am not happy about the current situation believe it or not. As it turns out Butts isn’t the right man it would seem. Hindsight eh. Most on this forum thought it was a sensible interim appointment when it was made. Now it has gone pear shaped it was a ridiculous appointment in the beginning.
It’s the hypocrisy I can’t stomach.
What I can’t accept is some of the comments made which are just aimed at the way the club is run.
Same few people week after week. Nothing constructive just slagging the board off and every decision they make or don’t make.
So easy sat behind a key board just coming out with this negativity.
Only ever post when things are going badly. You know who i mean. Same 4/5 people.
Thats like buying a car you like the look of, engine falls out 5 weeks after and you saying..... ah well it still looks nice, lets see if it fixes itself.
What on earth are you talking about. Butts was made manager to the end of the season.
So who should have the job now. Who is available that is the right person.
Have you done the research and do you know who is going to make a success of it.
Come on clever what do you know that know one else knows. Sorry 3/4 others know apparently also.
Suggest you form a consortium, buy the club off Bramhall & co with your Monopoly money.
Redarmy. Out of interest what is cheap ?
What wages do you call cheap? Genuine question and I eagerly await your response.
Derek you are wasting your time.
Some seriously clever people on here. You me and all the other real supporters on this forum are totally out of our depth.
So are you suggesting that the only real supporters are those who blindly follow everything that is put in front of them and can see no faults?
No I didn’t say that did i.
Look I am not happy about the current situation believe it or not. As it turns out Butts isn’t the right man it would seem. Hindsight eh. Most on this forum thought it was a sensible interim appointment when it was made. Now it has gone pear shaped it was a ridiculous appointment in the beginning.
It’s the hypocrisy I can’t stomach.
What I can’t accept is some of the comments made which are just aimed at the way the club is run.
Same few people week after week. Nothing constructive just slagging the board off and every decision they make or don’t make.
So easy sat behind a key board just coming out with this negativity.
Only ever post when things are going badly. You know who i mean. Same 4/5 people.
Thats like buying a car you like the look of, engine falls out 5 weeks after and you saying..... ah well it still looks nice, lets see if it fixes itself.
What on earth are you talking about. Butts was made manager to the end of the season.
So who should have the job now. Who is available that is the right person.
Have you done the research and do you know who is going to make a success of it.
Come on clever what do you know that know one else knows. Sorry 3/4 others know apparently also.
Suggest you form a consortium, buy the club off Bramhall & co with your Monopoly money.
Oh my days, come on clever? who do you think you are. As for who should have the job right now? well someone with more experience than Butler obviously, & if that man needs headhunting then so be it, the other play off contenders have appointed managers that do have that knowledge & experience. If we still have ambitions of a play off spot, we need to act now, if we want to let the season peter out, like it is doing, then fine, so be it.
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This is turning into a copy of our last L1 freefall, thankfully we have the points to survive this, and not to mention we failed to win L2 in a one horse race, I just don’t see where our next win comes from
Forget the last 6 performances Filo because we beat Pompey and Plymouth under Butts. So you are just fickle and not a real supporter. How dare you say something negative after another shit performance!?
Like catchphrase, say what you see
Don't worry though, we are capable of winning our next 3 games. Can I join the positivity police now.
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Redarmy. Out of interest what is cheap ?
What wages do you call cheap? Genuine question and I eagerly await your response.
Derek you are wasting your time.
Some seriously clever people on here. You me and all the other real supporters on this forum are totally out of our depth.
So are you suggesting that the only real supporters are those who blindly follow everything that is put in front of them and can see no faults?
No I didn’t say that did i.
Look I am not happy about the current situation believe it or not. As it turns out Butts isn’t the right man it would seem. Hindsight eh. Most on this forum thought it was a sensible interim appointment when it was made. Now it has gone pear shaped it was a ridiculous appointment in the beginning.
It’s the hypocrisy I can’t stomach.
What I can’t accept is some of the comments made which are just aimed at the way the club is run.
Same few people week after week. Nothing constructive just slagging the board off and every decision they make or don’t make.
So easy sat behind a key board just coming out with this negativity.
Only ever post when things are going badly. You know who i mean. Same 4/5 people.
Thats like buying a car you like the look of, engine falls out 5 weeks after and you saying..... ah well it still looks nice, lets see if it fixes itself.
What on earth are you talking about. Butts was made manager to the end of the season.
So who should have the job now. Who is available that is the right person.
Have you done the research and do you know who is going to make a success of it.
Come on clever what do you know that know one else knows. Sorry 3/4 others know apparently also.
Suggest you form a consortium, buy the club off Bramhall & co with your Monopoly money.
Redarmy. Out of interest what is cheap ?
What wages do you call cheap? Genuine question and I eagerly await your response.
Derek you are wasting your time.
Some seriously clever people on here. You me and all the other real supporters on this forum are totally out of our depth.
So are you suggesting that the only real supporters are those who blindly follow everything that is put in front of them and can see no faults?
No I didn’t say that did i.
Look I am not happy about the current situation believe it or not. As it turns out Butts isn’t the right man it would seem. Hindsight eh. Most on this forum thought it was a sensible interim appointment when it was made. Now it has gone pear shaped it was a ridiculous appointment in the beginning.
It’s the hypocrisy I can’t stomach.
What I can’t accept is some of the comments made which are just aimed at the way the club is run.
Same few people week after week. Nothing constructive just slagging the board off and every decision they make or don’t make.
So easy sat behind a key board just coming out with this negativity.
Only ever post when things are going badly. You know who i mean. Same 4/5 people.
Thats like buying a car you like the look of, engine falls out 5 weeks after and you saying..... ah well it still looks nice, lets see if it fixes itself.
What on earth are you talking about. Butts was made manager to the end of the season.
So who should have the job now. Who is available that is the right person.
Have you done the research and do you know who is going to make a success of it.
Come on clever what do you know that know one else knows. Sorry 3/4 others know apparently also.
Suggest you form a consortium, buy the club off Bramhall & co with your Monopoly money.
Oh my days, come on clever? who do you think you are. As for who should have the job right now? well someone with more experience than Butler obviously, & if that man needs headhunting then so be it, the other play off contenders have appointed managers that do have that knowledge & experience. If we still have ambitions of a play off spot, we need to act now, if we want to let the season peter out, like it is doing, then fine, so be it.
You're wasting your breath. Cant educate pork.
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Redarmy. Out of interest what is cheap ?
What wages do you call cheap? Genuine question and I eagerly await your response.
Derek you are wasting your time.
Some seriously clever people on here. You me and all the other real supporters on this forum are totally out of our depth.
So are you suggesting that the only real supporters are those who blindly follow everything that is put in front of them and can see no faults?
No I didn’t say that did i.
Look I am not happy about the current situation believe it or not. As it turns out Butts isn’t the right man it would seem. Hindsight eh. Most on this forum thought it was a sensible interim appointment when it was made. Now it has gone pear shaped it was a ridiculous appointment in the beginning.
It’s the hypocrisy I can’t stomach.
What I can’t accept is some of the comments made which are just aimed at the way the club is run.
Same few people week after week. Nothing constructive just slagging the board off and every decision they make or don’t make.
So easy sat behind a key board just coming out with this negativity.
Only ever post when things are going badly. You know who i mean. Same 4/5 people.
Thats like buying a car you like the look of, engine falls out 5 weeks after and you saying..... ah well it still looks nice, lets see if it fixes itself.
What on earth are you talking about. Butts was made manager to the end of the season.
So who should have the job now. Who is available that is the right person.
Have you done the research and do you know who is going to make a success of it.
Come on clever what do you know that know one else knows. Sorry 3/4 others know apparently also.
Suggest you form a consortium, buy the club off Bramhall & co with your Monopoly money.
Redarmy. Out of interest what is cheap ?
What wages do you call cheap? Genuine question and I eagerly await your response.
Derek you are wasting your time.
Some seriously clever people on here. You me and all the other real supporters on this forum are totally out of our depth.
So are you suggesting that the only real supporters are those who blindly follow everything that is put in front of them and can see no faults?
No I didn’t say that did i.
Look I am not happy about the current situation believe it or not. As it turns out Butts isn’t the right man it would seem. Hindsight eh. Most on this forum thought it was a sensible interim appointment when it was made. Now it has gone pear shaped it was a ridiculous appointment in the beginning.
It’s the hypocrisy I can’t stomach.
What I can’t accept is some of the comments made which are just aimed at the way the club is run.
Same few people week after week. Nothing constructive just slagging the board off and every decision they make or don’t make.
So easy sat behind a key board just coming out with this negativity.
Only ever post when things are going badly. You know who i mean. Same 4/5 people.
Thats like buying a car you like the look of, engine falls out 5 weeks after and you saying..... ah well it still looks nice, lets see if it fixes itself.
What on earth are you talking about. Butts was made manager to the end of the season.
So who should have the job now. Who is available that is the right person.
Have you done the research and do you know who is going to make a success of it.
Come on clever what do you know that know one else knows. Sorry 3/4 others know apparently also.
Suggest you form a consortium, buy the club off Bramhall & co with your Monopoly money.
Oh my days, come on clever? who do you think you are. As for who should have the job right now? well someone with more experience than Butler obviously, & if that man needs headhunting then so be it, the other play off contenders have appointed managers that do have that knowledge & experience. If we still have ambitions of a play off spot, we need to act now, if we want to let the season peter out, like it is doing, then fine, so be it.
You're wasting your breath. Cant educate pork.
Or buy DRFC with Monopoly money it seems. Bought Park Lane and Mayfair and offered it to Bramall and he told me to f@ck off.
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Even thou we all want to get promoted let’s be honest are we anywhere near ready to be promoted? We would literally need a whole new team, For me I’d rather get more of our own players supplement them with a few loans and get promoted when we have at least a little chance of staying up
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In the situation we were put in, I don’t think it’s fair to say appointing Butler was a catastrophic error. It was an obvious choice, to a degree. But, having lost Moore and his assistant, we gave the job to a rookie in Butler and we haven’t allowed him to appoint an assistant. The team was in poor form before Moore departed, and we’ve since had a big injury crisis. I know it’s frustrating seeing our season fizzle out, but maybe cut Butler a bit of slack here. Is anyone really that surprised to see us struggling? I’m not. We’re just not that good.
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If there's any accuracy in this link it would suggest that the team is about in it's rightful position in terms of value.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/league-one/startseite/wettbewerb/GB3
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Given that Peterborough's squad is shown as being the third least valuable in the whole division, I think we know how much credence to give to those fantasists BB!
Cheers mate
BobG
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I think it’s abundantly clear that, much as we love him, Butts is not the solution now. Personally, I think we should be sounding out Stendel to come in. Butler could work with him to get the lay of the land snd then return to playing. Let Stendel do his stuff in terms of identifying what we need fir next season.
There’s no shame in admitting the gamble hasn’t paid off.
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Understandably fans look for scapegoats when there's disappointment around .
Rovers fans this season have had their expectations raised only to fall away so knee jerk reactions are bound to be broadcast .
There isn't a scapegoat in my opinion more rather a collection of events that have turned the season in the wrong direction and gone against you .
Whiteman and Moore leaving were huge blows and unfortunately it appears the young loan lads haven't been able to be consistent enough over a full season .
It does look pretty fragmented at the moment but it probably goes much deeper than simply hanging the interim manager out to dry as inexperienced as he is .
Just my opinion but I feel Rovers need to identify a style of play they want to progress with , hire the manager best placed to deliver that style of play and recruit accordingly .
This at least offers some stability even when managers and players leave because the stability is in the style of play .
Rovers at this moment look very exposed to people leaving the club and it doesn't necessarily have to be so if the playing style is identified and you stick with it .
Moore leaving wasn't a huge blow, Tyke. We'd been playing sh*te for a long time under his tenure; even in the games we won, we had loads of luck and were hanging on at the end.
Whiteman was the huge loss, and we've never looked like replacing him.
There's always ups and downs in a season Steve , promotion from League One is massively difficult , even the bigger clubs like Ipswich and Sunderland haven't cracked the nut and there's plenty of historic previous with Leeds , Sheffield United and Nottingham Forest .
It wasn't plain sailing for us under Stendel two years ago and that's with possibly the best group of players in league one and we didn't win the league either when perhaps we should have done .
It was one of the hardest earned promotions I've personally seen and I'm 55 years in .
Losing Moore in my opinion was a massive blow in terms of stability .
The form under Moore may not have been great before he left but the form since his departure speaks for itself .
Disagree, don't think stability was the issue given rumblings coming out of the club when he left, didn't seem to be too many players upset by his departure, maybe a few loannees. What we needed was a manager to come in who could instill confidence, & making them know what was expected of each player along with a stile of play, we've seen none of that.
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Between the 3-1 victory away at Charlton on 19 September and the 3-2 victory at home to Oxford United on 6 February, we played 22 league games. This is pretty much half the season.
During this period we won 70pc of our games. That is a phenomenal run and we stacked up a huge amount of points.
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If there's any accuracy in this link it would suggest that the team is about in it's rightful position in terms of value.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/league-one/startseite/wettbewerb/GB3
There isn't. Maybe at the higher levels but half of our squad don't have values.
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I think a few of us predicted this down turn in form during our winning run. We really weren’t playing that well but got laughed off the forum for voicing our concerns. Some were saying it was ludicrous to suggest luck was playing a part. I hate to say it, but we have been proved right. We’ve papered over the cracks for too long and now the wheels have come off big time. Feel sorry for AB, it’s not his fault really. The fact of the matter is we are just a poor team full of loan players
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As I said in another post Rovers are massively exposed when people leave the club .
It was exposed when McCann did one , Marquis and the loan lads in Wilks and Kane and it seems to have happened again this season .
In my opinion there has to be a way that eliminates that exposure because we have to accept that managers and coaches leave our clubs for more money and bigger clubs and they always will do .
The trick is to come up with a model that provides stability and eliminates the exposure when people leave .
That to me comes with identifying a style of play , hiring a coach to play that way whilst recruiting accordingly and sticking with it .
If the coach moves on then identify another the coach who plays the style of football you've identified , same with the players whether they are loans returning or are sold on .
The playing style is the stability and the people who leave don't take the whole show with them out of the door .
This isn't something that takes years to put together , it can begin this summer .
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I think a few of us predicted this down turn in form during our winning run. We really weren’t playing that well but got laughed off the forum for voicing our concerns. Some were saying it was ludicrous to suggest luck was playing a part. I hate to say it, but we have been proved right. We’ve papered over the cracks for too long and now the wheels have come off big time. Feel sorry for AB, it’s not his fault really. The fact of the matter is we are just a poor team full of loan players
One of the loan players is a full International.
Another is a PL player signed by his parent club for £2.5 million.
Another is a PL player who has played at 3 International levels for England and has easily been our best player when fit.
We may be a poor team but why that is down to players on loan or not I am unclear?
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I think a few of us predicted this down turn in form during our winning run. We really weren’t playing that well but got laughed off the forum for voicing our concerns. Some were saying it was ludicrous to suggest luck was playing a part. I hate to say it, but we have been proved right. We’ve papered over the cracks for too long and now the wheels have come off big time. Feel sorry for AB, it’s not his fault really. The fact of the matter is we are just a poor team full of loan players
One of the loan players is a full International.
Another is a PL player signed by his parent club for £2.5 million.
Another is a PL player who has played at 3 International levels for England and has easily been our best player when fit.
We may be a poor team but why that is down to players on loan or not I am unclear?
I didn’t say it was down to the loan players though, did I? I was just pointing out the bloody obvious - at one point we had that many they couldn’t even make the bench!
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I think a few of us predicted this down turn in form during our winning run. We really weren’t playing that well but got laughed off the forum for voicing our concerns. Some were saying it was ludicrous to suggest luck was playing a part. I hate to say it, but we have been proved right. We’ve papered over the cracks for too long and now the wheels have come off big time. Feel sorry for AB, it’s not his fault really. The fact of the matter is we are just a poor team full of loan players
One of the loan players is a full International.
Another is a PL player signed by his parent club for £2.5 million.
Another is a PL player who has played at 3 International levels for England and has easily been our best player when fit.
We may be a poor team but why that is down to players on loan or not I am unclear?
I didn’t say it was down to the loan players though, did I? I was just pointing out the bloody obvious - at one point we had that many they couldn’t even make the bench!
Ah apolgies, I presumed you mentioned the loan players beacuse you didn't want the loan players and thus made a point of them because you saw them as a negative.
I see now you were just ranting for the sake of it.
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Looking at the fixtures we need to get around 10 points from the next 5 games, otherwise the club should get the post advertised. Gives about 3 weeks to do the process then the new manager has the whole of the summer to watch the games from the season and decide who they want to keep.
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I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
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I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
I think this also, just a feeling I have :rtid:
Might get rid of a few of the board bashers who are loving life lately.
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I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
Let us hope we can.
Certainly shut a few up on this forum if we do. :that:
It is going to take a massive turn round in form for us to achieve it but nothing is impossible. If you do not believe it can happen then i will guarantee it will not happen.
Think though 6 wins and 2 draws from 10 games may be needed. It is a tall order.
Some of our supporters have already thrown the towel in. It is not over yet. We do though need to win tomorrow I think that is a definite. With 3 of our last 4 against Posh twice and Blackpool it looks as though we may need to win 6 out of the other 7 games.
A convincing win tomorrow against our favourite opponents might just be the catalyst to get back to being a proper team again.
Come on lads let us have some serious belief and get behind our manager. The run in stars now. :rtid:
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I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
He wont.
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I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
He wont.
You know that for a fact? What a ridiculous statement. :facepalm:
You have got a 50/50 chance of being right. ;)
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As I said in another post Rovers are massively exposed when people leave the club .
It was exposed when McCann did one , Marquis and the loan lads in Wilks and Kane and it seems to have happened again this season .
In my opinion there has to be a way that eliminates that exposure because we have to accept that managers and coaches leave our clubs for more money and bigger clubs and they always will do .
The trick is to come up with a model that provides stability and eliminates the exposure when people leave .
That to me comes with identifying a style of play , hiring a coach to play that way whilst recruiting accordingly and sticking with it .
If the coach moves on then identify another the coach who plays the style of football you've identified , same with the players whether they are loans returning or are sold on .
The playing style is the stability and the people who leave don't take the whole show with them out of the door .
This isn't something that takes years to put together , it can begin this summer .
Good post. I’ve been saying the structure is wrong for years and there’s never been a hint of a sign they will changed. We hired a player identification manager and thought that was ground breaking. I can’t see anything radical happening.
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I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
Let us hope we can.
Certainly shut a few up on this forum if we do. :that:
It is going to take a massive turn round in form for us to achieve it but nothing is impossible. If you do not believe it can happen then i will guarantee it will not happen.
Think though 6 wins and 2 draws from 10 games may be needed. It is a tall order.
Some of our supporters have already thrown the towel in. It is not over yet. We do though need to win tomorrow I think that is a definite. With 3 of our last 4 against Posh twice and Blackpool it looks as though we may need to win 6 out of the other 7 games.
A convincing win tomorrow against our favourite opponents might just be the catalyst to get back to being a proper team again.
Come on lads let us have some serious belief and get behind our manager. The run in stars now. :rtid:
I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
He wont.
You know that for a fact? What a ridiculous statement. :facepalm:
You have got a 50/50 chance of being right. ;)
A ridiculous statement? coming from someone who said, 'if you don't believe it will happen I can guarantee it will not happen'. Oh dear, is that a fact.
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Won't get a new man in till pre season just like transfers leave it till the last minute
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I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
Let us hope we can.
Certainly shut a few up on this forum if we do. :that:
It is going to take a massive turn round in form for us to achieve it but nothing is impossible. If you do not believe it can happen then i will guarantee it will not happen.
Think though 6 wins and 2 draws from 10 games may be needed. It is a tall order.
Some of our supporters have already thrown the towel in. It is not over yet. We do though need to win tomorrow I think that is a definite. With 3 of our last 4 against Posh twice and Blackpool it looks as though we may need to win 6 out of the other 7 games.
A convincing win tomorrow against our favourite opponents might just be the catalyst to get back to being a proper team again.
Come on lads let us have some serious belief and get behind our manager. The run in stars now. :rtid:
I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
He wont.
You know that for a fact? What a ridiculous statement. :facepalm:
You have got a 50/50 chance of being right. ;)
A ridiculous statement? coming from someone who said, 'if you don't believe it will happen I can guarantee it will not happen'. Oh dear, is that a fact.
You have got a real bee in your bonnet Lesonthewest.
That statement is as true a one as you will ever get. Seriously you seem to have a problem. Have i upset you or something?
You are obviously not going to be happy unless i start to get all negative.
Well I have got news for you, it is not going to happen and i am not going to make any apologies for that.
You carry on stewing in your negativity if that is what makes you happy. What a sad life.
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I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
He wont.
You know that for a fact? What a ridiculous statement. :facepalm:
You have got a 50/50 chance of being right. ;)
Apologies I will answer again -
In my opinion he won't!!
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I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
He wont.
You know that for a fact? What a ridiculous statement. :facepalm:
You have got a 50/50 chance of being right. ;)
Apologies I will answer again -
In my opinion he won't!!
That’s fair enough then Bessie. That’s what this forum is for opinions.
You may well be correct but am hoping you will be wrong.
There are people though who seem to think i am not allowed to say anything positive or criticise anyone who is being negative.
Which quite frankly is really sad.
This forum would be a very depressing place indeed if we didn’t have people with a positive outlook posting on it. Thank heavens we do have those people on here.
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I do feel sorry for Butler. There has been such massive instability these last few years - star players leaving, COVID, loan players coming and going, managers coming and going, changes in the boardroom, contract negotiations left late, almost promotion, the list goes on.
Much of this was unfortunate, some self-inflicted, but Butler has been landed with a lot of near history to deal with that is not really positive.
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I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
He wont.
You know that for a fact? What a ridiculous statement. :facepalm:
You have got a 50/50 chance of being right. ;)
Apologies I will answer again -
In my opinion he won't!!
That’s fair enough then Bessie. That’s what this forum is for opinions.
You may well be correct but am hoping you will be wrong.
There are people though who seem to think i am not allowed to say anything positive or criticise anyone who is being negative.
Which quite frankly is really sad.
This forum would be a very depressing place indeed if we didn’t have people with a positive outlook posting on it. Thank heavens we do have those people on here.
I am hoping that I'm wrong but I think his Subs on Friday showed me he won't. He brought Richard's on & moved Smith into the CAM role. He took Robertson off when it should have been Copps coming off. I believe it is a good idea to have Butler in a management role but as an assistant to an experienced Manager.
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I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
He wont.
You know that for a fact? What a ridiculous statement. :facepalm:
You have got a 50/50 chance of being right. ;)
Apologies I will answer again -
In my opinion he won't!!
That’s fair enough then Bessie. That’s what this forum is for opinions.
You may well be correct but am hoping you will be wrong.
There are people though who seem to think i am not allowed to say anything positive or criticise anyone who is being negative.
Which quite frankly is really sad.
This forum would be a very depressing place indeed if we didn’t have people with a positive outlook posting on it. Thank heavens we do have those people on here.
I am hoping that I'm wrong but I think his Subs on Friday showed me he won't. He brought Richard's on & moved Smith into the CAM role. He took Robertson off when it should have been Copps coming off. I believe it is a good idea to have Butler in a management role but as an assistant to an experienced Manager.
I agree with you on all those points to be honest.
At the time AB was appointed it seemed a sensible appointment. After his 1st 2 games it seemed an inspired appointment. Now it looks like a big mistake but we need to get behind AB because the season is still very much alive. We can still make the play offs. It’s up to the players now, Butts can only do so much at the end of the day. The players need to get themselves motivated, show some pride and self belief and go out and play to their full capabilities. We have the same players minus Sims and Taylor we had when we were winning so yes they are capable of winning football matches in this league.
We must start with a win tomorrow. I do think it’s essential we win this one or the season may well be gone.
The next 6 games are very winnable on paper. Football is played on grass though so it’s over to the players now to show if they want it badly enough. If they do i firmly believe we can achieve our goal.
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I do feel sorry for Butler. There has been such massive instability these last few years - star players leaving, COVID, loan players coming and going, managers coming and going, changes in the boardroom, contract negotiations left late, almost promotion, the list goes on.
Much of this was unfortunate, some self-inflicted, but Butler has been landed with a lot of near history to deal with that is not really positive.
I've got a lot of sympathy with this line, but it's unmistakable that under Butler we have lost that attacking verve that our play was previously based on. It's hard to find excuses for a team that had goals up its sleeve from every angle looking as toothless as we have done over the past month (although the injuries to Taylor and Sims would have been hard for anyone to cope with).
The eternal optimist in me looks at the fixtures this week and thinks we could, with a bit of luck, be back in the mix this time next week. But unless we rediscover that attacking verve, I don't think I really believe it.
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I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
Let us hope we can.
Certainly shut a few up on this forum if we do. :that:
It is going to take a massive turn round in form for us to achieve it but nothing is impossible. If you do not believe it can happen then i will guarantee it will not happen.
Think though 6 wins and 2 draws from 10 games may be needed. It is a tall order.
Some of our supporters have already thrown the towel in. It is not over yet. We do though need to win tomorrow I think that is a definite. With 3 of our last 4 against Posh twice and Blackpool it looks as though we may need to win 6 out of the other 7 games.
A convincing win tomorrow against our favourite opponents might just be the catalyst to get back to being a proper team again.
Come on lads let us have some serious belief and get behind our manager. The run in stars now. :rtid:
I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
He wont.
You know that for a fact? What a ridiculous statement. :facepalm:
You have got a 50/50 chance of being right. ;)
A ridiculous statement? coming from someone who said, 'if you don't believe it will happen I can guarantee it will not happen'. Oh dear, is that a fact.
You have got a real bee in your bonnet Lesonthewest.
That statement is as true a one as you will ever get. Seriously you seem to have a problem. Have i upset you or something?
You are obviously not going to be happy unless i start to get all negative.
Well I have got news for you, it is not going to happen and i am not going to make any apologies for that.
You carry on stewing in your negativity if that is what makes you happy. What a sad life.
Ha ha easy tiger, you see there is no bee in my bonnet, & you will never upset me so no need to flatter yourself fella. Your problem is you can give it but you can't take it without resorting to little pathetic personal insults because posters have different opinions to you, bless you. As for your silly statement saying it is as true as you will ever get, I have never read anything as daft in my life. So just to clarify, if you don't believe it will happen you can guarantee it will not happen? Please explain. Anyway I will continue to question yours & anyone else's comments I don't agree with as that's part of what a forum is about, the difference is I don't resort to throwing insults & little stupid jibes to other posters like you do, & if you don't like it, I really don't give a monkeys. Another thing, I don't care one jot how positive you are, that's your opinion, don't give a toss either way. Up the Rovers!
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I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
Let us hope we can.
Certainly shut a few up on this forum if we do. :that:
It is going to take a massive turn round in form for us to achieve it but nothing is impossible. If you do not believe it can happen then i will guarantee it will not happen.
Think though 6 wins and 2 draws from 10 games may be needed. It is a tall order.
Some of our supporters have already thrown the towel in. It is not over yet. We do though need to win tomorrow I think that is a definite. With 3 of our last 4 against Posh twice and Blackpool it looks as though we may need to win 6 out of the other 7 games.
A convincing win tomorrow against our favourite opponents might just be the catalyst to get back to being a proper team again.
Come on lads let us have some serious belief and get behind our manager. The run in stars now. :rtid:
I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
He wont.
You know that for a fact? What a ridiculous statement. :facepalm:
You have got a 50/50 chance of being right. ;)
A ridiculous statement? coming from someone who said, 'if you don't believe it will happen I can guarantee it will not happen'. Oh dear, is that a fact.
You have got a real bee in your bonnet Lesonthewest.
That statement is as true a one as you will ever get. Seriously you seem to have a problem. Have i upset you or something?
You are obviously not going to be happy unless i start to get all negative.
Well I have got news for you, it is not going to happen and i am not going to make any apologies for that.
You carry on stewing in your negativity if that is what makes you happy. What a sad life.
Ha ha easy tiger, you see there is no bee in my bonnet, & you will never upset me so no need to flatter yourself fella. Your problem is you can give it but you can't take it without resorting to little pathetic personal insults because posters have different opinions to you, bless you. As for your silly statement saying it is as true as you will ever get, I have never read anything as daft in my life. So just to clarify, if you don't believe it will happen you can guarantee it will not happen? Please explain. Anyway I will continue to question yours & anyone else's comments I don't agree with as that's part of what a forum is about, the difference is I don't resort to throwing insults & little stupid jibes to other posters like you do, & if you don't like it, I really don't give a monkeys. Another thing, I don't care one jot how positive you are, that's your opinion, don't give a toss either way. Up the Rovers!
Only one person making jibes and it is not me. You have just proved that with your above post.
Every time I post something you do not agree with your on my case, but that is ok, but apparently i am not allowed to disagree with someone being overly negative.
Sounds a bit one sided to me.
Just to clarify. For example. If you do not believe you can win then as sure as eggs are eggs you will not win.
That is what I was referring to.
Yes there is never a truer statement of fact than that.
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I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
Let us hope we can.
Certainly shut a few up on this forum if we do. :that:
It is going to take a massive turn round in form for us to achieve it but nothing is impossible. If you do not believe it can happen then i will guarantee it will not happen.
Think though 6 wins and 2 draws from 10 games may be needed. It is a tall order.
Some of our supporters have already thrown the towel in. It is not over yet. We do though need to win tomorrow I think that is a definite. With 3 of our last 4 against Posh twice and Blackpool it looks as though we may need to win 6 out of the other 7 games.
A convincing win tomorrow against our favourite opponents might just be the catalyst to get back to being a proper team again.
Come on lads let us have some serious belief and get behind our manager. The run in stars now. :rtid:
I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
He wont.
You know that for a fact? What a ridiculous statement. :facepalm:
You have got a 50/50 chance of being right. ;)
A ridiculous statement? coming from someone who said, 'if you don't believe it will happen I can guarantee it will not happen'. Oh dear, is that a fact.
You have got a real bee in your bonnet Lesonthewest.
That statement is as true a one as you will ever get. Seriously you seem to have a problem. Have i upset you or something?
You are obviously not going to be happy unless i start to get all negative.
Well I have got news for you, it is not going to happen and i am not going to make any apologies for that.
You carry on stewing in your negativity if that is what makes you happy. What a sad life.
Ha ha easy tiger, you see there is no bee in my bonnet, & you will never upset me so no need to flatter yourself fella. Your problem is you can give it but you can't take it without resorting to little pathetic personal insults because posters have different opinions to you, bless you. As for your silly statement saying it is as true as you will ever get, I have never read anything as daft in my life. So just to clarify, if you don't believe it will happen you can guarantee it will not happen? Please explain. Anyway I will continue to question yours & anyone else's comments I don't agree with as that's part of what a forum is about, the difference is I don't resort to throwing insults & little stupid jibes to other posters like you do, & if you don't like it, I really don't give a monkeys. Another thing, I don't care one jot how positive you are, that's your opinion, don't give a toss either way. Up the Rovers!
Only one person making jibes and it is not me. You have just proved that with your above post.
Every time I post something you do not agree with your on my case, but that is ok, but apparently i am not allowed to disagree with someone being overly negative.
Sounds a bit one sided to me.
Just to clarify. For example. If you do not believe you can win then as sure as eggs are eggs you will not win.
That is what I was referring to.
Yes there is never a truer statement of fact than that.
As I said you don't like it back at you, that's your problem. Have a good look back at your posts with jibes & little insults. Are you really honestly saying if you don't believe you can win you won't. Absolute rubbish, the more you try & justify what you are saying, the dafter it looks. I don't 'jump on your case' as you put it, I just disagree, that is allowed you know. I'll say it again I don't care who you challenge as regards being negative, or constructive as I prefer it, just don't expect posters not to challenge you when you throw your insults about, there for all to see.
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I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
Let us hope we can.
Certainly shut a few up on this forum if we do. :that:
It is going to take a massive turn round in form for us to achieve it but nothing is impossible. If you do not believe it can happen then i will guarantee it will not happen.
Think though 6 wins and 2 draws from 10 games may be needed. It is a tall order.
Some of our supporters have already thrown the towel in. It is not over yet. We do though need to win tomorrow I think that is a definite. With 3 of our last 4 against Posh twice and Blackpool it looks as though we may need to win 6 out of the other 7 games.
A convincing win tomorrow against our favourite opponents might just be the catalyst to get back to being a proper team again.
Come on lads let us have some serious belief and get behind our manager. The run in stars now. :rtid:
I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
He wont.
You know that for a fact? What a ridiculous statement. :facepalm:
You have got a 50/50 chance of being right. ;)
A ridiculous statement? coming from someone who said, 'if you don't believe it will happen I can guarantee it will not happen'. Oh dear, is that a fact.
You have got a real bee in your bonnet Lesonthewest.
That statement is as true a one as you will ever get. Seriously you seem to have a problem. Have i upset you or something?
You are obviously not going to be happy unless i start to get all negative.
Well I have got news for you, it is not going to happen and i am not going to make any apologies for that.
You carry on stewing in your negativity if that is what makes you happy. What a sad life.
Ha ha easy tiger, you see there is no bee in my bonnet, & you will never upset me so no need to flatter yourself fella. Your problem is you can give it but you can't take it without resorting to little pathetic personal insults because posters have different opinions to you, bless you. As for your silly statement saying it is as true as you will ever get, I have never read anything as daft in my life. So just to clarify, if you don't believe it will happen you can guarantee it will not happen? Please explain. Anyway I will continue to question yours & anyone else's comments I don't agree with as that's part of what a forum is about, the difference is I don't resort to throwing insults & little stupid jibes to other posters like you do, & if you don't like it, I really don't give a monkeys. Another thing, I don't care one jot how positive you are, that's your opinion, don't give a toss either way. Up the Rovers!
Only one person making jibes and it is not me. You have just proved that with your above post.
Every time I post something you do not agree with your on my case, but that is ok, but apparently i am not allowed to disagree with someone being overly negative.
Sounds a bit one sided to me.
Just to clarify. For example. If you do not believe you can win then as sure as eggs are eggs you will not win.
That is what I was referring to.
Yes there is never a truer statement of fact than that.
As I said you don't like it back at you, that's your problem. Have a good look back at your posts with jibes & little insults. Are you really honestly saying if you don't believe you can win you won't. Absolute rubbish, the more you try & justify what you are saying, the dafter it looks. I don't 'jump on your case' as you put it, I just disagree, that is allowed you know. I'll say it again I don't care who you challenge as regards being negative, or constructive as I prefer it, just don't expect posters not to challenge you when you throw your insults about, there for all to see.
So if you think you will lose you can win. Now who is talking rubbish?
Look if you want to pick a fight go and pick one with someone who wants one.
This is just quite pathetic and extremely childish.
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It’s Butler’s pay back !!
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I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
Let us hope we can.
Certainly shut a few up on this forum if we do. :that:
It is going to take a massive turn round in form for us to achieve it but nothing is impossible. If you do not believe it can happen then i will guarantee it will not happen.
Think though 6 wins and 2 draws from 10 games may be needed. It is a tall order.
Some of our supporters have already thrown the towel in. It is not over yet. We do though need to win tomorrow I think that is a definite. With 3 of our last 4 against Posh twice and Blackpool it looks as though we may need to win 6 out of the other 7 games.
A convincing win tomorrow against our favourite opponents might just be the catalyst to get back to being a proper team again.
Come on lads let us have some serious belief and get behind our manager. The run in stars now. :rtid:
I believe Butler will turn things around. We'll make the playoffs. Let's give him and all the lads our support.
He wont.
You know that for a fact? What a ridiculous statement. :facepalm:
You have got a 50/50 chance of being right. ;)
A ridiculous statement? coming from someone who said, 'if you don't believe it will happen I can guarantee it will not happen'. Oh dear, is that a fact.
You have got a real bee in your bonnet Lesonthewest.
That statement is as true a one as you will ever get. Seriously you seem to have a problem. Have i upset you or something?
You are obviously not going to be happy unless i start to get all negative.
Well I have got news for you, it is not going to happen and i am not going to make any apologies for that.
You carry on stewing in your negativity if that is what makes you happy. What a sad life.
Ha ha easy tiger, you see there is no bee in my bonnet, & you will never upset me so no need to flatter yourself fella. Your problem is you can give it but you can't take it without resorting to little pathetic personal insults because posters have different opinions to you, bless you. As for your silly statement saying it is as true as you will ever get, I have never read anything as daft in my life. So just to clarify, if you don't believe it will happen you can guarantee it will not happen? Please explain. Anyway I will continue to question yours & anyone else's comments I don't agree with as that's part of what a forum is about, the difference is I don't resort to throwing insults & little stupid jibes to other posters like you do, & if you don't like it, I really don't give a monkeys. Another thing, I don't care one jot how positive you are, that's your opinion, don't give a toss either way. Up the Rovers!
Only one person making jibes and it is not me. You have just proved that with your above post.
Every time I post something you do not agree with your on my case, but that is ok, but apparently i am not allowed to disagree with someone being overly negative.
Sounds a bit one sided to me.
Just to clarify. For example. If you do not believe you can win then as sure as eggs are eggs you will not win.
That is what I was referring to.
Yes there is never a truer statement of fact than that.
As I said you don't like it back at you, that's your problem. Have a good look back at your posts with jibes & little insults. Are you really honestly saying if you don't believe you can win you won't. Absolute rubbish, the more you try & justify what you are saying, the dafter it looks. I don't 'jump on your case' as you put it, I just disagree, that is allowed you know. I'll say it again I don't care who you challenge as regards being negative, or constructive as I prefer it, just don't expect posters not to challenge you when you throw your insults about, there for all to see.
So if you think you will lose you can win. Now who is talking rubbish?
Look if you want to pick a fight go and pick one with someone who wants one.
This is just quite pathetic and extremely childish.
Don't twist it now to suit your argument, you said if you think you can't win, you 'guarantee' you won't, how can you do that then, what a silly statement. Nobody is picking a fight at all, but as I've said if you throw little personal jibes at posters, then expect posters to challenge your opinions. As for being childish I suggest you read your last post.
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Given the current poor run, the board would be wise to start the interview process now and have a new manager in place before end of season so he can decide which players to keep or release before next season starts. Our season is over, best now prepare for next season. First starting with a new manager in place to have the Summer to sign the players he wants. If we wait until the end of season to look for a new manager, it will give him a shorter period to sign new players.
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Given the current poor run, the board would be wise to start the interview process now and have a new manager in place before end of season so he can decide which players to keep or release before next season starts. Our season is over, best now prepare for next season. First starting with a new manager in place to have the Summer to sign the players he wants. If we wait until the end of season to look for a new manager, it will give him a shorter period to sign new players.
I think this is exactly what most people are wanting when saying we can't just see this season out without a change. No point sacking Butler now but the search for a replacement has to be ongoing and wrapped up by the end of the season
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But will Gavin and the Board have the guts to start the search for a new manager now or sit on their hands until the end of the season?
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But will Gavin and the Board have the guts to start the search for a new manager now or sit on their hands until the end of the season?
I'm sure the letters from managers are already landing on Gavin's desk. The club will be just as popular as when we appointed Darren, so I'm sure we'll have plenty of quality candidates to interview come the end of the season.
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It would be a lot better to have the new manager in place the day after the season ends.
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It will be a lot better if by the end of the season Butler has turned the results around, you and some others are quiet and he is appointed for next season won't it
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I hope you are right , but can't chance it in my opinion.
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I think they will do
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I strongly suspect the process of finding a new Manager is already well underway. It is wiser for the club not to make this fact public for a multitude of reasons.