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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Filo on April 10, 2021, 05:27:36 pm
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Binary choice folks
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This poll is about as good as Brexit. I'm "stay until we can get someone else in", which we should start the process for immediately. If we sack Butler we'll just be replacing him with another internal caretaker, which will likely bring the same results.
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9-0 so far.
Maybe that is a prediction for the Peterbro game.
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This poll is about as good as Brexit. I'm "stay until we can get someone else in", which we should start the process for immediately. If we sack Butler we'll just be replacing him with another internal caretaker, which will likely bring the same results.
Gavin Baldwin !!
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And replace him with who exactly?
Or hasn't your thought process extended that far?
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He needs replacing ASAP, new manager needs time, no point hanging it out he’s done
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:rtid:Not blaming Andy Butler at all.....he’s between a rock and a hard place, the team are just not good enough at the moment, we played well at the beginning, fluked a fare few wins and found ourselves in a strong position with a wonky wobbly team that was just waiting to fall over.
We have fallen over
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And replace him with who exactly?
Or hasn't your thought process extended that far?
Plenty of good mangers out there both IN and OUT of work... how about showing some initiative and ambition and go approach some of them
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Butler should not leave the club having been sacked. He was given a poison chalice from the off.
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And replace him with who exactly?
Or hasn't your thought process extended that far?
Plenty of good mangers out there both IN and OUT of work... how about showing some initiative and ambition and go approach some of them
You mean like loads of other clubs do?
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And replace him with who exactly?
Or hasn't your thought process extended that far?
It's been clear for a couple of weeks that Butler won't be getting the job permanently. Ideally, we would have started the recruitment process a number of weeks ago with a view to giving the new manager as much time as possible to assess the squad and identify targets before the summer transfer window opens. Had the process started at this point, we may be nearing its conclusion and, therefore, the appointment of a permanent manager.
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And replace him with who exactly?
Or hasn't your thought process extended that far?
Just a few names off top of my head
Out of work
Nicky Butt
Ritchie Wellens
Daniel Stendal
Sol Campbell
Jody Morris
In work
Ryan Lowe
Jimmy floyd hasslebank
Nigel clough
Micheal Duff
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In the given circumstances its a No from me.
Its very easy to look at the results and say ‘he has to go’ but the reality is somewhat different in my eyes. What the club need him to do is hold it together the best he can until they find/appoint the next permanent DRFC manager.
I actually feel for AB now - he cant win. He walks away and he is basically quitting which I suspect goings completely against his character , or he stays and he is basically treading water in a very shitty situation where some of the players are not interested in our future.
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And replace him with who exactly?
Or hasn't your thought process extended that far?
Couldn't the academy manager Tony Cook step up and cover until a new manager is appointed because this currently is a disaster.
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The best thing to do would be to thank Andy for his service and that he is caretaker till the end of the season. We start interviewing next week and as soon as the right person is identified, they are announced and come in to run the rule over the squad, and start planning for next season.
Yes, it’s been downwards since Whiteman left - Although perhaps he’s thinking WTF did I do right now.
Moore well and truly did a number on us and my biggest fear is him taking Anderson and James.
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And replace him with who exactly?
Or hasn't your thought process extended that far?
Just a few names off top of my head
Out of work
Nicky Butt
Ritchie Wellens
Daniel Stendal
Sol Campbell
Jody Morris
In work
Ryan Lowe
Jimmy floyd hasslebank
Nigel clough
Micheal Duff
The point I'm making is that it takes time to appoint, we have a process, and sacking somebody doesn't mean that somebody else can walk through the door the next day. So what will you achieve by getting rid?
If you want to sack a manager you need the replacement lined up. That's why the thought process needs to extend that far. We can all write names down, that's the easy bit, making it happen needs a bit more work.
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compo from owls for Moore probably used to stem the leaky bucket that is a football club with no income.
don't blame board for giving job to someone already on payroll, probably gave him an extra grand or so, lot less than a new manager.
easy to criticise when it's not our bottomless pockets picking up the bills.
what if we had carried on to promotion through playoffs. we would have gone in to championship with a squad of nearly good enoughs, and loanees.
hopefully when crowds return next season we will be able to return to a more "normal" situation, and be carrying a lighter millstone than other clubs
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Putting aside AB's lack experience as a manager, i can't help but think he has been badly let down by the players. If they have any sort of professional pride they need to have a good look at themselves.
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Butler should not leave the club having been sacked. He was given a poison chalice from the off.
He should leave .. after giving the board a piece of his mind !!
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And replace him with who exactly?
Or hasn't your thought process extended that far?
It’s not our job to find his replacement!
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And replace him with who exactly?
Or hasn't your thought process extended that far?
It’s not our job to find his replacement!
But it's the fans job to sack him?
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And replace him with who exactly?
Or hasn't your thought process extended that far?
It’s not our job to find his replacement!
I didn't suggest we should. But people demanding we sack the manager must have given the process some thought as to how that works. If you get rid of one manager you need to have another ready to step in, so who does the OP think should do it?
Its a sensible question.
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Personally I think brining in an experienced manager and making Butler his #2 or player coach maybe the way forward. Let him have dignity and he can still input to the club.
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Absolutely shouldn't just cast butler aside, he needs time to develop and he will learn from this period. I'd like to see him as part of a future set up and let him develop so that he can inevitably become a caretaker again in future perhaps?
I do agree with SM, you can't bring someone in for 4 weeks, they'll have no impact.
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Personally I think brining in an experienced manager and making Butler his #2 or player coach maybe the way forward. Let him have dignity and he can still input to the club.
No chance, a new manager will want his own backroom staff and a player coach doesn't work now.
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I put 'no', because the season is gone and the only purpose it would serve is to pacify an angry mob for a week.
I just hope that the people who run the club get their head out of their arses and start looking for the successor now, rather than waiting until the summer before starting off the usual 2 month long rigmarole of a process.
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And replace him with who exactly?
Or hasn't your thought process extended that far?
no let him do his job and sort it at the end of the season, as it will take till then to get someone in with the lengthy process we go through
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And replace him with who exactly?
Or hasn't your thought process extended that far?
Just a few names off top of my head
Out of work
Nicky Butt
Ritchie Wellens
Daniel Stendal
Sol Campbell
Jody Morris
In work
Ryan Lowe
Jimmy floyd hasslebank
Nigel clough
Micheal Duff
If Nicky Butt wanted to be a manager why doesn’t he manage Salford City.
Wellens is waiting for a bigger club ie Preston
Sol Campbell would be a step backwards for us
Daniel Stendal has tried South Yorkshire football and won’t want to try it again
Jody Morris is waiting until Frank Lampard gets another job so he can be his assistant
Ryan Lowe is manager of a bigger club than Rovers
Jimmy Floyd H is in a safe job, Burton don’t change managers very often
Nigel Clough works close to home and will be on good money at Stags
Michael Duff is the manager of the team at top of League 2, same team he used to play for.
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And replace him with who exactly?
Or hasn't your thought process extended that far?
Just a few names off top of my head
Out of work
Nicky Butt
Ritchie Wellens
Daniel Stendal
Sol Campbell
Jody Morris
In work
Ryan Lowe
Jimmy floyd hasslebank
Nigel clough
Micheal Duff
If Nicky Butt wanted to be a manager why doesn’t he manage Salford City.
Wellens is waiting for a bigger club ie Preston
Sol Campbell would be a step backwards for us
Daniel Stendal has tried South Yorkshire football and won’t want to try it again
Jody Morris is waiting until Frank Lampard gets another job so he can be his assistant
Ryan Lowe is manager of a bigger club than Rovers
Jimmy Floyd H is in a safe job, Burton don’t change managers very often
Nigel Clough works close to home and will be on good money at Stags
Michael Duff is the manager of the team at top of League 2, same team he used to play for.
Gary Megson it is then. Unless he's looking for a bigger club?
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So 30 people would be happy for the next 15 games to go the same as the last? Jeez!!!
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No, don’t sack him. It would achieve nothing at this stage. I want him to succeed but he’s being badly let down by the players at the moment. Anyone else that comes in now will face the same problem. Many of our so called fans are a joke. Desperate to see the head of a respected former player on the chopping block and throwing insults in at every opportunity. They throw the same at the Board. I don’t even know if it’s short memories or no memories.
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And replace him with who exactly?
Or hasn't your thought process extended that far?
Just a few names off top of my head
Out of work
Nicky Butt
Ritchie Wellens
Daniel Stendal
Sol Campbell
Jody Morris
In work
Ryan Lowe
Jimmy floyd hasslebank
Nigel clough
Micheal Duff
If Nicky Butt wanted to be a manager why doesn’t he manage Salford City.
Wellens is waiting for a bigger club ie Preston
Sol Campbell would be a step backwards for us
Daniel Stendal has tried South Yorkshire football and won’t want to try it again
Jody Morris is waiting until Frank Lampard gets another job so he can be his assistant
Ryan Lowe is manager of a bigger club than Rovers
Jimmy Floyd H is in a safe job, Burton don’t change managers very often
Nigel Clough works close to home and will be on good money at Stags
Michael Duff is the manager of the team at top of League 2, same team he used to play for.
How do you know Wellens is waiting for a bigger club, he has very little chance of landing the Preston job. Also how do you know Stendel wouldn’t want to manage in South Yorkshire agss again
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Preston are not a bigger club IMHO.
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And replace him with who exactly?
Or hasn't your thought process extended that far?
It’s not our job to find his replacement!
I didn't suggest we should. But people demanding we sack the manager must have given the process some thought as to how that works. If you get rid of one manager you need to have another ready to step in, so who does the OP think should do it?
Its a sensible question.
Most other Clubs don’t seem to have a problem in this area. Surly we would have had a number of targets in mind just incase Moore ever left, just like you would with transfer targets. If we didn’t then why didn’t we ?
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Firstly you've got to decide what style ou want to play then find someone who fits it
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He won't and shouldn't be sacked until there's someone to take over. I hope that's sooner rather than later, mind you.
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Don’t want him sacked he deserves respect but also don’t want him managing the team it’s just not working and continuing like this is painful and shows no sign of changing.
Ideally someone comes in and AB stays in some coaching capacity and learns from this failure, maybe eventually he can have another crack at it.
But I think this might have done any chance of a future management career for him which is a shame as it’s got more to do with the players and club situation IMO. Footballs cruel and he’s not a big enough name to get appointed by another team so it may be back to the belles with no chance of getting a men’s job
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Preston are not a bigger club IMHO.
They clearly are. Bigger crowds, huge history, league above. Financially not so much. They turnover 12m in revenue so about double ours but a total wage bill of over 20m which is about 5 times ours.
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Preston are not a bigger club IMHO.
Bought our best player too. Could easily poach our managers when they win a few games like any championship club. Obviously bigger than us
They clearly are. Bigger crowds, huge history, league above. Financially not so much. They turnover 12m in revenue so about double ours but a total wage bill of over 20m which is about 5 times ours.
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Preston are not a bigger club IMHO.
Hahahaha
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Preston are not a bigger club IMHO.
Laughable statement, of course they are!
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No, don’t sack him. It would achieve nothing at this stage. I want him to succeed but he’s being badly let down by the players at the moment. Anyone else that comes in now will face the same problem. Many of our so called fans are a joke. Desperate to see the head of a respected former player on the chopping block and throwing insults in at every opportunity. They throw the same at the Board. I don’t even know if it’s short memories or no memories.
The manager has to take responsibility he is the one that sends them out with a game plan and instructions. The shape is embarrassing the team look clueless under him and it is massively worse than under DM. How the team is performing he looks absolutely clueless.
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U can’t sack him unless u have someone else lined up and ready to take over straight away otherwise we will be in the exact same position. I do think he needs to be replaced and give a new manager the rest of this season to see what hat the squad is like and see what he wants to do next season. It is unfortunate because I wanted him to succeed as did everyone but it just hasn’t worked out
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Thats the question. Should we have someone lined up right now?
Personally i'll say yes we should. The moment Moore resigns fair enough give AB a chance but have an idea of who is out there and put some feelers out, given AB is such a rookie it's not a massive surprise it didn't work. It's been dreadful for a long time now speak to the best candidates forget about applications and put us out or misery. Even if we keep losing, a lot is down to the players after all, at least we can look forward to a summer with a manager that is in some way capable and can get rid of all this shite.
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The problem we have is we should have started the process when Moore left and not just appoint butler, it’s alright saying the club has a process but they didn’t follow it with butler.
Butler should have been given the job as an interim while the process went ahead.
He could’ve been favourite and given the opportunity to impress, but if he didn’t impress we wouldn’t now be left down shit creek with no paddle, we’d have someone lined up.
The club have messed up big time and left us now in a position which is dreadful for everyone concerned, it’s down to the board, nobody else
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The problem we have is we should have started the process when Moore left and not just appoint butler, it’s alright saying the club has a process but they didn’t follow it with butler.
Butler should have been given the job as an interim while the process went ahead.
He could’ve been favourite and given the opportunity to impress, but if he didn’t impress we wouldn’t now be left down shit creek with no paddle, we’d have someone lined up.
The club have messed up big time and left us now in a position which is dreadful for everyone concerned, it’s down to the board, nobody else
Agree give him job as caretaker nothing to lose if he does well keep the interview/application process going even longer and if it keeps going even better then make it official. Like i've said before doing it this way has ended any chance AB had of a management career. If your a caretaker and lose every game it's no big deal no one expects much better and it's over in a few weeks this is career ending which is a shame he doesn't deserve this
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Moore left on 1st March so we'll have had three months to get his successor in place by early June. Enough time for them to come in, assess the squad and make preparations for the next season. That is a massive advantage compared to the situation when McCann left, and a head start on an other clubs who may end up looking for a new manager in the summer.
If our process for appointing a manager is so inflexible that it can only be done in the summer months and completely squanders the advantage we have then maybe the process is junk and needs changing.
Honestly, if we're still dicking about interviewing people in mid / late June then it'll just be the same old shit next season when we're cobbling a squad of short term additions together with days to spare ...again.
Time is on our side. Don't waste it. Get cracking.
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Preston are not a bigger club IMHO.
They clearly are. Bigger crowds, huge history, league above. Financially not so much. They turnover 12m in revenue so about double ours but a total wage bill of over 20m which is about 5 times ours.
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They’re a club in freefall though. Historically they’ve achieved a lot, but I can’t remember the last time they achieved owt. Middle to lower Championship club at best.
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Preston are not a bigger club IMHO.
They clearly are. Bigger crowds, huge history, league above. Financially not so much. They turnover 12m in revenue so about double ours but a total wage bill of over 20m which is about 5 times ours.
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They’re a club in freefall though. Historically they’ve achieved a lot, but I can’t remember the last time they achieved owt. Middle to lower Championship club at best.
Middle to lower championship club at best is much better than what we are
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It’s the players who have let the club down , I can forgive playing poorly but a lack of passion and desire to close the opposition down or to run into space to receive a football I CANNOT FORGIVE, it’s been along time since a bunch of players in red and white have embraced us as fans like this , god only knows what the good teams will do to us now
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And replace him with who exactly?
Or hasn't your thought process extended that far?
Just a few names off top of my head
Out of work
Nicky Butt
Ritchie Wellens
Daniel Stendal
Sol Campbell
Jody Morris
In work
Ryan Lowe
Jimmy floyd hasslebank
Nigel clough
Micheal Duff
The point I'm making is that it takes time to appoint, we have a process, and sacking somebody doesn't mean that somebody else can walk through the door the next day. So what will you achieve by getting rid?
If you want to sack a manager you need the replacement lined up. That's why the thought process needs to extend that far. We can all write names down, that's the easy bit, making it happen needs a bit more work.
Is the process underway then? Surely it is?
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I haven't seen it advertised anywhere , was thinking of applying myself , little experience required ,can't do any worse can i . ;)