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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: rich1471 on April 18, 2021, 06:06:03 pm
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Reports are breaking that the top 6 English clubs have signed a deal to join along with clubs across Europe. Lets see how this pans out , money and greed that is all this is
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Simple. Kick out any club who's agreed to join from the English system. If they want to rejoin let them start from the bottom.
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Rumours abound that Sheff Weds were one of the signatories by virtue of being a massive club
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Rumours abound that Sheff Weds were one of the signatories by virtue of being a massive club
What not LEEDS,champions of europe?
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Rumour has it this would already have happened if not for PSG and Bayern not signing up.
Nothing to do with PSG's owners having the rights to show Champions League football, I'm sure.
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Simple. Kick out any club who's agreed to join from the English system. If they want to rejoin let them start from the bottom.
Agreed.
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Simple. Kick out any club who's agreed to join from the English system. If they want to rejoin let them start from the bottom.
My wishes too,but sadly that will never happen,money talks,even Man City Ladies did'nt have to start at the bottom,just ask the Belles.
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Group stages of the Champions league are so compelling aren't they, it's just a natural step...
Except it's so boring nobody bothers with it until the knock out stages.
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There would need to be more promotion through the league's so I'm all for it. We're going up.
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The Premier League is run by the clubs in it. That's why it was set up. I somehow doubt Man U and the rest are going to vote to kick themselves out of it.
Plus the worldwide tv deals the PL have which rakes the money in for them, I would doubt they would be too happy having extra games of Fulham v West Brom or Burnley v Saints to fill their schedules.
Money and greed is right.
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The fans of the clubs involved won't stand for it. If anything the clubs will become clubs in name only and phoenix clubs will be set up by the fans and start again wherever possible in the pyramid.
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The chief exec of the premier League has condemned this already
And warned them against signing any deals
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They should be forfeiting any PL money and thrown out of of the league, its a disgrace
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JP Morgan are backing the project to the tune of $4.6billion.
It looks very serious then.
I wonder if the prospect of being kicked out of domestic competition and having all their players banned from international competition will deter them?
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The Premier League is run by the clubs in it. That's why it was set up. I somehow doubt Man U and the rest are going to vote to kick themselves out of it.
Plus the worldwide tv deals the PL have which rakes the money in for them, I would doubt they would be too happy having extra games of Fulham v West Brom or Burnley v Saints to fill their schedules.
Money and greed is right.
I wonder how the voting rights are set up.
If it was one vote per club and a simple majority was all that is required then perhaps clubs like Villa would welcome the top six gone and give themselves a better chance of winning the league.
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At least a plane ticket to Barcelona will be cheaper than Man utd and Liverpool fans train tickets to london
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Every player playing in such a league should be blackballed from playing in any other league, make them unemployable outside of the European Super League
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The sooner they go the better as far as I’m concerned. Kick them out and (never going to happen) restructure the leagues. Money grabbing scroats.
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Gary Neville had a right rant about it , the clubs are making a statement at 9.30 tonight
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Don't worry it won't affect us with our board
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The Premier League is run by the clubs in it. That's why it was set up. I somehow doubt Man U and the rest are going to vote to kick themselves out of it.
Plus the worldwide tv deals the PL have which rakes the money in for them, I would doubt they would be too happy having extra games of Fulham v West Brom or Burnley v Saints to fill their schedules.
Money and greed is right.
I wonder how the voting rights are set up.
If it was one vote per club and a simple majority was all that is required then perhaps clubs like Villa would welcome the top six gone and give themselves a better chance of winning the league.
Or they might vote against it,thinking they should be included in it?
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Arsenal & Spurs are no longer part of the "big 6 " really are they ? Tossers.
And Juventus are struggling to get into next season's Champions League. It's all about their beloved revenue streams isn't it ?
Clubs from only three countries doth not a European Super League make
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Won’t be a super league without the German clubs. Spain, Italy and England
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The Premier League is run by the clubs in it. That's why it was set up. I somehow doubt Man U and the rest are going to vote to kick themselves out of it.
Plus the worldwide tv deals the PL have which rakes the money in for them, I would doubt they would be too happy having extra games of Fulham v West Brom or Burnley v Saints to fill their schedules.
Money and greed is right.
The rest of the Premier League surely would be all for kicking out those greedy enough to sign up for it, they'd then have more chance of winning stuff for themselves. Enlightened self-interest etc.
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It’s only been a matter of time, this idea has been floated for ages
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Simple. Kick out any club who's agreed to join from the English system. If they want to rejoin let them start from the bottom.
Picture the Premier League sitting down to negotiate broadcasting contracts and saying, "Yes! On Super Sunday we will have head to head clashes between our leading 8 sides.
Leicester v Everton
West Ham v Aston Villa
Southampton v Wolves
Leeds v Palace"
I'm struggling to see the broadcasters' response being "Where do we sign?"
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Good riddance to them. Nothing but greed. No thought whatsoever to the people that matter, the supporters. They are now surplus to requirements it would seem to the biggest clubs. What a total disgrace if this actually happens.
On a plus point the leagues would have to be re structured. That would give us much more opportunity of establishing ourselves as a 2nd tier club.
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At least a plane ticket to Barcelona will be cheaper than Man utd and Liverpool fans train tickets to london
Surely you mean Man Utd fans' tickets FROM London?
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Just heard Gary Neville rant.
Well said Gary. I could not have put it better.
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The key to this will be the reaction of the supporters of those clubs and the players of those clubs.
For instance, how will someone like Harry Kane react to being banned from playing for England?
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Don't worry it won't affect us with our board
:zzz:
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Simple. Kick out any club who's agreed to join from the English system. If they want to rejoin let them start from the bottom.
Picture the Premier League sitting down to negotiate broadcasting contracts and saying, "Yes! On Super Sunday we will have head to head clashes between our leading 8 sides.
Leicester v Everton
West Ham v Aston Villa
Southampton v Wolves
Leeds v Palace"
I'm struggling to see the broadcasters' response being "Where do we sign?"
And what's the problem? Align the economics with the fans in the stadium and not on the tv and then we'll have a more sustainable game, more relatable to people, and more equitable across the 'pyramid' without massive gaps in attainment.
Anyhow, If you take 6 teams out of the FL, whoever those 6 teams are, it wouldn't even make a dent in the medium term. Clubs/cities who are already big enough (Leeds, Newcastle, Nottingham et al.) would become the new 'superstars' through time, it's all relative.
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Simple. Kick out any club who's agreed to join from the English system. If they want to rejoin let them start from the bottom.
Picture the Premier League sitting down to negotiate broadcasting contracts and saying, "Yes! On Super Sunday we will have head to head clashes between our leading 8 sides.
Leicester v Everton
West Ham v Aston Villa
Southampton v Wolves
Leeds v Palace"
I'm struggling to see the broadcasters' response being "Where do we sign?"
I can't see the UK broadcasters clamouring to pay to show lots of matches with no British team in them, or ones with the likes of Man Utd in them when they've become meaningless lower-to-midtable matches.
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Don't worry it won't affect us with our board
How about you take a day off.... you and Michael
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Simple. Kick out any club who's agreed to join from the English system. If they want to rejoin let them start from the bottom.
Picture the Premier League sitting down to negotiate broadcasting contracts and saying, "Yes! On Super Sunday we will have head to head clashes between our leading 8 sides.
Leicester v Everton
West Ham v Aston Villa
Southampton v Wolves
Leeds v Palace"
I'm struggling to see the broadcasters' response being "Where do we sign?"
And what's the problem? Align the economics with the fans in the stadium and not on the tv and then we'll have a more sustainable game, more relatable to people, and more equitable across the 'pyramid' without massive gaps in attainment.
Anyhow, If you take 6 teams out of the FL, whoever those 6 teams are, it wouldn't even make a dent in the medium term. Clubs/cities who are already big enough (Leeds, Newcastle, Nottingham et al.) would become the new 'superstars' through time, it's all relative.
No real reason why Leeds can't be as big as Man City, or Villa as big as Man Utd or West Ham as big as Spurs. They have been at times in the past.
The big six think their brands are unassailable but I don't think that's really true.
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The key to this will be the reaction of the supporters of those clubs and the players of those clubs.
For instance, how will someone like Harry Kane react to being banned from playing for England?
Hmm, a million quid a week or play for England. Let me think about that for a millisecond!
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Don't worry it won't affect us with our board
How about you take a day off.... you and Michael
A day!!! A year at least would be preferable. ;)
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It’s just to use as leverage for the Champion's League reform.
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The key to this will be the reaction of the supporters of those clubs and the players of those clubs.
For instance, how will someone like Harry Kane react to being banned from playing for England?
Hmm, a million quid a week or play for England. Let me think about that for a millisecond!
Not as simple as that. There are a lot of commercial opportunities available to a high profile national team player, that may not be to a high profile player at a lower super league franchise.
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The point for me is that these games surely become diminished by their frequency? Chelsea Vs Barcelona is fine in a big European game but not so much if it's 2+ times a season. It will quickly become repetitive. Take the champions League, I don't watch it with it being on bt which I gave up and don't miss. The final knockout stages are decent in Europe but group games are shite. Does a league like this have those "oh wow" moments?
Even the local fans, do Liverpool want to play Everton or atletico Madrid?
I do feel a balance would work better but this doesn't to me feel like it works commercially given how football is. It just doesn't appeal as much surely?
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What’s this got to do with my team? Absolutely nothing! What’s it got to do with the top teams? Everything As sure as day follows night this will happen
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The Premier League is run by the clubs in it. That's why it was set up. I somehow doubt Man U and the rest are going to vote to kick themselves out of it.
Plus the worldwide tv deals the PL have which rakes the money in for them, I would doubt they would be too happy having extra games of Fulham v West Brom or Burnley v Saints to fill their schedules.
Money and greed is right.
I wonder how the voting rights are set up.
If it was one vote per club and a simple majority was all that is required then perhaps clubs like Villa would welcome the top six gone and give themselves a better chance of winning the league.
All rule changes and matters affecting commercial contracts require a two-thirds, or 14 clubs, majority.
https://www.premierleague.com/about
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The Premier League is run by the clubs in it. That's why it was set up. I somehow doubt Man U and the rest are going to vote to kick themselves out of it.
Plus the worldwide tv deals the PL have which rakes the money in for them, I would doubt they would be too happy having extra games of Fulham v West Brom or Burnley v Saints to fill their schedules.
Money and greed is right.
I wonder how the voting rights are set up.
If it was one vote per club and a simple majority was all that is required then perhaps clubs like Villa would welcome the top six gone and give themselves a better chance of winning the league.
All rule changes and matters affecting commercial contracts require a two-thirds, or 14 clubs, majority.
https://www.premierleague.com/about
Shouldn't be an issue then if only six are going. 20-6 = 14.
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The key to this will be the reaction of the supporters of those clubs and the players of those clubs.
For instance, how will someone like Harry Kane react to being banned from playing for England?
This idea has been floating around since the 80’s. In my view it’s always just been a matter of time. My Spurs supporting mates down here are furious about it. They know the score that their club, in all honestly, doesn’t give a shit about their fans and this just strengthens that view. As they’ve said to me though, what can they do about it? They could stop going to games but they know that their ticket will be taken by a ‘tourist’. As long as there’s a bum on a seat, the club don’t care. I do feel sorry for the real fans of these clubs. The clubs themselves though can go to hell.
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The Premier League is run by the clubs in it. That's why it was set up. I somehow doubt Man U and the rest are going to vote to kick themselves out of it.
Plus the worldwide tv deals the PL have which rakes the money in for them, I would doubt they would be too happy having extra games of Fulham v West Brom or Burnley v Saints to fill their schedules.
Money and greed is right.
I wonder how the voting rights are set up.
If it was one vote per club and a simple majority was all that is required then perhaps clubs like Villa would welcome the top six gone and give themselves a better chance of winning the league.
All rule changes and matters affecting commercial contracts require a two-thirds, or 14 clubs, majority.
https://www.premierleague.com/about
Shouldn't be an issue then if only six are going. 20-6 = 14.
Yeah right. The PL tv rights are up for renewal soon. In 2015 they were worth £5.1 billion which fell to £4.5 billion the last time they came up in 2019. How much are they going to be worth without the clubs who attract the biggest tv audiences? How much will the rest have to put ticket prices up to make up that shortfall - whilst the fans will miss games against those six.
Football at that level is just another capitalist business. Has been since the PL & CL came in. And in business money talks.
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Only silver lining - and it takes a lot to find one - is that Leeds would be nowhere near this and at exactly the time they are hoping to establish themselves in the Premier League.
Unlucky lads!
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This will never happen, not in a million years.
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Simple. Kick out any club who's agreed to join from the English system. If they want to rejoin let them start from the bottom.
Picture the Premier League sitting down to negotiate broadcasting contracts and saying, "Yes! On Super Sunday we will have head to head clashes between our leading 8 sides.
Leicester v Everton
West Ham v Aston Villa
Southampton v Wolves
Leeds v Palace"
I'm struggling to see the broadcasters' response being "Where do we sign?"
And what's the problem? Align the economics with the fans in the stadium and not on the tv and then we'll have a more sustainable game, more relatable to people, and more equitable across the 'pyramid' without massive gaps in attainment.
Anyhow, If you take 6 teams out of the FL, whoever those 6 teams are, it wouldn't even make a dent in the medium term. Clubs/cities who are already big enough (Leeds, Newcastle, Nottingham et al.) would become the new 'superstars' through time, it's all relative.
I'm with you on the principle.
The "problem" is that the EPL's business model is predicated on gorging itself on broadcast income. And that will be decimated if the top 6 clubs aren't in the EPL.
So, my point is that the EPL would never, ever willingly choose to kick those teams out. Because it would mean voting for huge reductions in income.
Of course, they may get no say in the matter if the proposed European league involves the breakaway clubs choosing to leave their domestic leagues...
Regarding the "dent" do you really think the far Eastern broadcasters would pay the same for rights to a decapitated EPL? Do you think anyone in Jakarta would give two f**ks who won the Newcastle-Brighton title decider when there was Liverpool Vs Real Madrid to watch every week?
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I’m ambivalent about this. In one hand, I feel the top clubs are so far detached from the like of Doncaster Rovers. Some years ago it was said that clubs like Manchester United don’t even need fans to go to Old Trafford as they make so much money from Merch and corporate sponsorship. The like of Rovers could only dream of this.
In the other hand, it will take away what is currently the Zenith of English football. The FA cup will lose its sparkle, as will the league cup. Money will drain away from the leagues. Tv companies will be queuing up for rights to screen these super league games which will no doubt be prime time. EFL will lose out. English football simply won’t be the same ever again.
And what of the premiership ? Reduced numbers? A re shuffle of the leagues?
Who knows. Some has speculated this is just pressure to force a re structure of champions lge football.
Money will determine the future of this, and greed. The FA can jump up and down all they like.I’m unsure if Football clubs have any contract with the FA to maintain the status quo. Interesting times ahead.
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It’s ultimately a battle between a load of greedy people about how much cash they can shove down their necks as quickly as possible.
To have EPL as some kind of moral conscience of the game is about as credible as that clueless oaf in Downing Street being a defender of the working class.
End result will no doubt be some compromise where EPL and this group get to carve up more money between themselves, to expense of rest of the game.
The irony of Gary Neville delivering his rant from behind a Sky Sports microphone was almost too much to take.
German rules of 49 per cent fan ownership has so far effectively stopped German clubs joining this circus side show. Does go to show that ownership matters. Aside from Spurs, rest of the English sides in this plan are all very much foreign owned. We’ve willingly allowed all this to happen.
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It’s ultimately a battle between a load of greedy people about how much cash they can shove down their necks as quickly as possible.
To have EPL as some kind of moral conscience of the game is about as credible as that clueless oaf in Downing Street being a defender of the working class.
End result will no doubt be some compromise where EPL and this group get to carve up more money between themselves, to expense of rest of the game.
The irony of Gary Neville delivering his rant from behind a Sky Sports microphone was almost too much to take.
German rules of 49 per cent fan ownership has so far effectively stopped German clubs joining this circus side show. Does go to show that ownership matters. Aside from Spurs, rest of the English sides in this plan are all very much foreign owned. We’ve willingly allowed all this to happen.
To be fair to Neville he admitted there is lots of money in football, some of which he has, and is, still making a living from. The real irony is half of the English clubs proposing this are not even in the Champions League this season now. The creation of a league with no relegation and therefore no penalty for being poor is just wrong. It goes against everything football is.
If it happens, wouldn’t it be great if supporters of those teams just boycotted it, and the whole country refused to pay a penny to watch any of it. Now that would be something.
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If it proceeds, lots of people will watch it.
The same people who think all that matters is who signs Haaland, Mbappe etc and spending money on these players is all that matters. Even against winning trophies. The core of the game has shifted and it is the casual observer who doesn’t take a moral view on the game. Football is just another pastime like going to the cinema or watching some bullshit reality TV show.
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You have to be a registered player with the FA to compete in competition in this country, ask any Sunday League player. Deregister any players with these clubs and it effectively bans them from this country. If other countries do the same thing where are they all going to play? Saudi Arabia? China? But if any country hosts them they are banned from the World Cup. Then where do they go? It is about time that governing bodies of the sport stopped bowing down to TV rights people and say no.
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And there is a suggestion that any player in any of the big six IF this league gets off the ground, could be barred from playing in their National Team. Now that would be interesting.
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Super league proposals being bankrolled to the tune of £6bn by American Bank JP Morgan.
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Has anyone seen the Champions League changes they're voting on tomorrow, it's called the Swiss Model and it allows a few places for clubs that haven't qualified in the league places but have appeared in the CL in recent years. Protects big clubs from lost revenue after a bad season.
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Well the official announcement hasn't arrived this evening.
I expect there will be new negotiations with UEFA announced next.
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It’s been announced in the last few minutes
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It’s been announced in the last few minutes
Yes, just seen it. UEFA and the national leagues need to act now.
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Slap em with a 40 point deduction and fine the Kitsons the whole amount of the prize money they end up winning.
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So far Juventus and Liverpool have announced they have quit the European Clubs Association. Effectively leaving UEFA and FIFA.
I expect the others will be making the same announcement.
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If this IS more than just a bullying tactic to try to make the Champions League even more slanted to the Elite, it raises some fundamental issues for lower division clubs.
There would be way less money in the English domestic league, as the Premier League funding would be slashed, so there would be far less to trickle down. And I suspect the remaining PL clubs would be wanting a bigger slice of that smaller pie.
This would probably work in the favour of well-run lower clubs. The differential between the PL and the rest would be much smaller. But in the meantime, I suspect it would be catastrophic for lower league clubs whose business model fundamenntally rests on the trickle down income.
And it would likely mean far less money was available for transfer fees, wages and agents' fees at all levels.
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Maybe we should set up a vehicle to own the football club and generate revenues outside of football to sustain the club. That'd be a good way to ensure our survival.
:silly:
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UEFA have convened an emergency meeting in the morning.
What is going to happen with this seasons Champions league, just hand the trophy to PSG tomorrow?
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UEFA have convened an emergency meeting in the morning.
What is going to happen with this seasons Champions league, just hand the trophy to PSG tomorrow?
That might backfire if PSG then joins the Superleague too..!
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It looks like this thing is real. It's certainly the biggest disruption I've ever known in the game.
This is going to be one almighty clusterf***!
Football is finally eating itself.
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Hooorrraaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy !
This raging beast is starting to implode at last......any footballer that subscribes to this new elite becomes an automatic target for hate envy........ and their families will have to assume new identities or go live in Dubai....
We should be celebrating this not condemning it, .................. just yet!
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This will never happen, not in a million years.
I think the last few years have taught us that anything can happen.
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let’s see how the spineless FA now react. They should Kick every one of them from the PL.
Strip them of every title ever won. Ban any player who wants a part of this from National representation.
But they won’t.
Football is eating itself.
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The players of these clubs control this, their actions are massive, without players this never gets off the ground, It would be interesting to hear from the PFA about this. The first action from the National Leagues, UEAFA and FIFA should be to suspend all clubs involved and inform all players that they will be banned from the Euros this season for a start
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Florentino Pérez, President Real Madrid CF and the first Chairman of the Super League said:
“We will help football at every level and take it to its rightful place in the world. Football is the only global sport in the world with more than four billion fans and our responsibility as big clubs is to respond to their desires.”
I've never read such an out of touch statement ever.
Problem is it sounds all tied up to me. Who said foreign ownership in this country was a good thing?
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In fact the fans of these clubs just get their come uppancd .Fpr years. they have benefitted from the spoils of TV money to buy foreign superdtzts and pay them a fortune .Some English players but few have managed to live in the rarefied atmosphere .Let them go live on that other planet and take the women elite with them and give us back our Rovers and Donny Belles real club football.
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And despite his protestations, Salford would be in prime position to welcome in disgruntled United fans. Reading some forums, many are saying they would cease supporting United and go elsewhere. Neville’ s club could benefit from this hugely, or FC United of course. Similar comments on Blue Moon forum.
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So I’ve seen rovers play at the emirates, but looks like we will never get the chance to see them play at Spurs new ground. Or the ethiad. Some on her have been lucky enough and old enough to see a rovers side play at anfield and old Trafford. But those chances for the next generation will go I’m afraid.
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Kaveh Solahkol has just made some very good points on a SSN interview.
Arsenal, Spurs and City never even won a Champions League. Likes of Benfica, Feyenoord, Ajax, even Forest, who have won it, not even considered.
There are 56 countries within the UEFA bracket, yet, England, Spain and Italy the founding members. Italian clubs are notorious for financial problems.
From a personal point of view, not happy that it is to be called The Super League! There is only one Super League worth watching and it ain't football!
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It’s interesting also that Villa and Forest have between them achieved European success, yet they don’t feature.
I would like to see the FA take very stern and immediate action over this. If they follow through with this I want these six teams eradicating from English football, period.
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Has it said who will be broadcasting this Footballing Feast? Judging by Neville's reaction, it isn't going to be Sky.
Someone with bottomless pockets I guess, Amazon or Netflix?
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Has it said who will be broadcasting this Footballing Feast? Judging by Neville's reaction, it isn't going to be Sky.
Someone with bottomless pockets I guess, Amazon or Netflix?
I expect they'll want to cut out the middleman and organise it themselves.
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Football.
Created by the poor, stolen by the rich.
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Normal rules. That short pice is about the most powerful statement I have ever read mate. All and I mean FANS should boycott all season tickets purchased and stop buying any of there merchandise anything that puts money in there pockets. Anyone that supports this is stabbing there and all fans in England in the middle of there heart
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They are bullying FIFA and UEFA now.
A letter has been sent that basically says they believe if the governing bodies take ant action to prevent this it will be illegal and they are already pursuing it in the courts.
The arrogance is breathtaking.
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Has it said who will be broadcasting this Footballing Feast? Judging by Neville's reaction, it isn't going to be Sky.
Someone with bottomless pockets I guess, Amazon or Netflix?
DAZN (whoever they are) paying £3.5 billion for the worldwide rights.
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One think they can’t stop and say it is illegal is FANS fans power, and we all should stick together on all this
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I wonder if any players have been consulted about this.... For instance - did Harry Kane get asked if he wants to cease playing for his country..?
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I wonder if any players have been consulted about this.... For instance - did Harry Kane get asked if he wants to cease playing for his country..?
Marcus Rashford is supposed to be a political voice now. I wonder what he Thinks?
None of the players of these clubs have said a word, I expect they are ordered not to.
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I see chelski, arse and Spurs have not hung around and splashed this all over their Facebook pages this morning. They are being met with pretty much 100% outrage, disgust, anger and disappointment. I really hope this translates into real action and supporters across all teams and leagues stand up and boycott this league. Many supporters are saying that they are finished with their clubs. We’ve heard it all before though. Supporter is much more than skin deep.
A very sad day for football. #footballeatingitself
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Soundbitebarmyarmy might be on to something with the naming rights in this country if Rugby League take them to court.
Let them leave and when one side dominates the competition which will happen the rest become the new Newcastle's in the competition.
Let them leave and just move up all the next clubs up the present football ladder and over time they will be forgotten like Workington.
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Word of the day is ‘ingordigiousness’: extreme greed; an insatiable desire for wealth at any cost.
https://twitter.com/susie_dent/status/1384040561573650436
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This could be the end of the Premier league....... oh, hang on, we will be getting our football back in this country!
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11 of the current England squad come from one of these top six clubs. There is talk that the FA would bar any member of this ESL league from playing for their national team.
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I wonder if any players have been consulted about this.... For instance - did Harry Kane get asked if he wants to cease playing for his country..?
Marcus Rashford is supposed to be a political voice now. I wonder what he Thinks?
None of the players of these clubs have said a word, I expect they are ordered not to.
He'll need to ask the people that do it and think for him first
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I'm just wondering why I give a shit?
I stopped watching the Champions league years ago. This season I have found I can't even be bothered with Match of the Day. I certainly don't want Donny Rovers in the Premier league...
And what of the Premier League? Why would any of the clubs outside this six even bother trying to compete with them, should they remain in it?
I suppose I wouldn't mind so much if they would all just go, set up their superleague but they are intent on ruining the game immediately below it too.
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If SKY and BT remove them from covering them ,we will carry on with only a loss of some greed players
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What will it actually achieve long term? Most of the world's 'best' players are already at these teams so quality can't improve, bar the more successful teams attracting players the others can't ( see premier league now )the atmosphere will be none existant with little to no away following and given the obvious high quality wall to wall TV coverage that will go with it who would the home support be ?. They are going to be placing more emphasis on these ads than their own league so local.derbies etc will suffer and eventually they will find their own level and it will just become a Predictable risk free show rather than a competition. 10 yrs from now they must just disappear up their own arses
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What will it actually achieve long term? Most of the world's 'best' players are already at these teams so quality can't improve, bar the more successful teams attracting players the others can't ( see premier league now )the atmosphere will be none existant with little to no away following and given the obvious high quality wall to wall TV coverage that will go with it who would the home support be ?. They are going to be placing more emphasis on these ads than their own league so local.derbies etc will suffer and eventually they will find their own level and it will just become a Predictable risk free show rather than a competition. 10 yrs from now they must just disappear up their own arses
How long before it becomes the WWE of football, with fake, manufactured 'drama' purely driven by pulling a TV audience?
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Chelski, manure, shitty, bin dippers, arse and the other London club should be made to remove the word Football from their club names and replace it with Soccer.
Manchester United Soccer Club. Has a certain ring to it don’t you think?
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When English players in these clubs see the light, which I certainly hope they will, I can’t see them sticking around. They will be seen as being complicit with it if they stay. Subject to hate campaigns, lambasted for wanting to be part of something so abhorrent to the history of the national game. They would not struggle to get a job in a non ESL team of course.
The ESL and teams like Manchester United Soccer team would end up being a team of has beens and Chinese or American import players. It could end up being the ruin of them as far as club identity goes. Meanwhile , the remaining PL and EFL prosper.
Be careful what you wish for top six.
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One thing it will do is devaluation of the World Cup, as Europe countries will lose most of there players whereas the American, north and south will win it every year and it will strengthen the oceanic countries and we will be a spent force for ever
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It does conjure up a picture of the American 70s league - Manchester Cosmos Soccer Club etc
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Dortmund announce they stand side by side with Munich in rejected the very idea of a super league.
Once again the Germans show the English up.
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Dortmund announce they stand side by side with Munich in rejected the very idea of a super league.
Once again the Germans show the English up.
Only because it's a fans decision
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The players of these clubs control this, their actions are massive, without players this never gets off the ground, It would be interesting to hear from the PFA about this. The first action from the National Leagues, UEAFA and FIFA should be to suspend all clubs involved and inform all players that they will be banned from the Euros this season for a start
The players? This has nothing to do with them, and everything to do with the greedy businessmen who populate the boardrooms. Three of the six English clubs have American owners who want to emulate the NFL/NBA closed-shop franchise approach. They don't care one jot about fans or whether players want to play for their country.
This is on those faceless men behind the boardroom door, not the players.
I do agree that the lot of them should be kicked out of the Premier League right now though.
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All of this assumes the leagues will sack up and penalise the breakaway clubs in any meaningful way. I'm not sure that'll happen, myself.
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I think all the greedy players around the world will want there coin from it then it has something to do with them
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Dortmund announce they stand side by side with Munich in rejected the very idea of a super league.
Once again the Germans show the English up.
Only because it's a fans decision
Good.
As far as I'm concerned Germany is the model of club ownership English clubs should follow.
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Dortmund announce they stand side by side with Munich in rejected the very idea of a super league.
Once again the Germans show the English up.
The German model is different o other European clubs meaning that only 49 % of their clubs can be corporate ownership. So the fans own the majority stake.
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Every cloud has a silver lining....not sure why everyone’s going apoplectic over something that’s been creeping in since the formation of the premier league....we are Donny Rovers afterall !
I don’t know who owns all these clubs and I don’t mean the name on the chairman’s door, there are too many factions involved that seem able to destabilise the foundations of our society .....
War is not just guns and bullets..... one for the conspiracy factoids!
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All this crap makes me appreciate even more that we are owned by local people, with a love of the club and town. I just hope that the football authorities take a stand against this, but I’m not holding my breath. The whole thing stinks of money-making greed.
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Surely, no one team, or in this case six, are bigger than the other 90 or so teams.
I hope the FA grow a pair over this, I really do.
If ever there was a chance to make a stand against money and greed killing football, this is it.
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I don't think they should penalise the players straightaway. It's not them that's done this, and when they signed their existing contracts it was to play for a Premier League club.
Any player at one of these clubs that signs a new contract from now; or transfers to one of these clubs from today; knowing what has happened, however...
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Surely, no one team, or in this case six, are bigger than the other 90 or so teams.
I hope the FA grow a pair over this, I really do.
If ever there was a chance to make a stand against money and greed killing football, this is it.
I think you'll find that the FA will want to make a stand over it because of greed just as much as the six are doing this because of greed.
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This could be stopped quite simply with a massive fans boycott, it seems all the fans are against it so let’s see what happens.... boycott of course the fans if the teams involved.
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This is nothing to do with a Super League. It’s about those 10-15 clubs wanting a larger share of the cake to cover the losses or the owners just withdraw . This League isn’t going to happen because it never was !! Those clubs know that there will be an outcry, THAT is what they want , to start a discussion based on their objections of more money not less . Because fans do matter and turning the game in its head would solve nothing and they understand that. But football streaming is what they are after with MORE of that revenue going to them , and everything staying as before . Uafa will bow to this because it’s in their interest to let the bigger clubs remain big and slowdown lesser clubs form taking out a smaller share unless they achieve more .
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Surely, no one team, or in this case six, are bigger than the other 90 or so teams.
I hope the FA grow a pair over this, I really do.
If ever there was a chance to make a stand against money and greed killing football, this is it.
Of course they are bigger than the other 86, when losing them would mean a collapse in broadcasting income.
For the record, that doesn't mean I think the rest of the football establishment SHOULD cave in. I just think they WILL cave in, because they are so in hock to the income that those clubs generate.
Football lost its soul years ago on this topic. I said back at the time that the PL was formed that the likes of Sheffield Weds and others enthusiastically backing it showed how lacking in strategic foresight football's rulers were. The amzing thing is that it has taken so long for this inevitable situation to materialise.
The most disgusting hypocrisy I've heard on this issue was Greg Dyke on the radio this morning preaching about how awful this was. That's the same Greg Dyke who was trying to get the top half dozen or so clubs to form their own breakaway competition in the late 80s, because he thought it would be more lucrative for his London Weekend Television company.
Pigs with their snouts in the trough, the lot of them. I truly wish they would f**k off, take their money with them and serve up emotionless pap for the bell ends who don't understand what football means. Even if it means the rest of the professional game collapsing and having to be built up from scratch.
But that won't happen. Because there are too many people in football suckling on the tit of the top clubs.
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My argument about a small number of teams being bigger than the rest was morally based, and perhaps a little single dimensional. Every time we have these sorts of conversations it all boils down to money. And that is why it is rotten, to the core, and as you allude to BST has been for a long time.
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Fascinating to look at the clubs who were in the very last First Division in 1991/92. Most of them were enthusiastic supporters of the idea of the PL. Think what has happened to some of them. And how short sighted they were.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991%E2%80%9392_Football_League_First_Division#League_standings
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UK fan power is nothing to these clubs, they are global outfits. Let them go create a league, but do not allow them back.
I think the tv bubble may be about to burst anyway, if you look at things like IFollow. Its more functional than the polished SKY/BT/Amazon....but who wants meaningless faces spouting rubbish, an hour before and after. I just want to watch the game, then get on with my life.
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Liverpool fans have acted quickly by putting banners up at Anfield declaring the death of the club.
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Interestingly Liverpool and manure and shitty have not splashed this all over their Facebook pages, unlike chelski Spurs and Arsenal.
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Liverpool fans have acted quickly by putting banners up at Anfield declaring the death of the club.
Fan groups “spirit of shankly” and “spion kop 1906” are removing their flags and banners from the kop as we speak.
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According to reports, Spurs fired Jose Mourinho after an explosive morning where he refused to take players onto the training ground over the club’s proposed European Super League admission.
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I know this may sound naive but if no one buys the sports packages from the TV companies that will reduce the income stream significantly together with the knock on effect of reduced advertising revenue.
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UK fan power is nothing to these clubs, they are global outfits. Let them go create a league, but do not allow them back.
I think the tv bubble may be about to burst anyway, if you look at things like IFollow. Its more functional than the polished SKY/BT/Amazon....but who wants meaningless faces spouting rubbish, an hour before and after. I just want to watch the game, then get on with my life.
You are only looking at the tv/online market in this country. There is a massive, and growing tv/online audience for PL & CL football in China, South-East Asia and India. Which is what this is all about - exploiting the revenue of those places.
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I know this may sound naive but if no one buys the sports packages from the TV companies that will reduce the income stream significantly together with the knock on effect of reduced advertising revenue.
It's what I mentioned earlier. If the government wishes to stop this all they have to do is refuse to allow DAZN a broadcasting licence in this country - and the rest of Europe do the same.
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Gary Neville has tweeted the suggestion that Leeds stand on the touch line tonight and let Liverpool score as they clearly don’t want competition in the future.
Lol.
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Gary Neville has tweeted the suggestion that Leeds stand on the touch line tonight and let Liverpool score as they clearly don’t want competition in the future.
Lol.
Would be even better if they refused to kickoff that would make a stand
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Interestingly Liverpool and manure and shitty have not splashed this all over their Facebook pages, unlike chelski Spurs and Arsenal.
Intersting.
Apparently Chelsea and Man City were most reticent but were fearful of being left out.
I'd have thought Man Utd would be the most keen on it, given the size of their debt burden.
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Gary Neville has tweeted the suggestion that Leeds stand on the touch line tonight and let Liverpool score as they clearly don’t want competition in the future.
Lol.
It'd be better for Leeds to give Liverpool a good stuffing, just to show who's 'super'.
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AC Milan:
No league title since 2011.
Inter:
No league title since 2010.
Juventus:
4th in Serie A.
Atletico:
No league title since 2014.
Arsenal:
No league title since 2004.
Chelsea:
5th in the PL.
Man Utd:
No league title since 2013.
Spurs:
Face with tears of joy
Super League? Embarrassing.
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Still, I look forward to watching Burnley v Real Valladolid in the 2024 UEFA Champions League Final.
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President of UEFA giving a presser now.
Confirms their intention to ban all superleague players from their competitions and the World Cup.
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President of UEFA giving a presser now.
Confirms their intention to ban all superleague players from their competitions and the World Cup.
I’ve counted 11 of the current England squad who this would currently affect. Club or country has been talked about a lot in recent years. This topic is about to hot up even more.
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President of UEFA giving a presser now.
Confirms their intention to ban all superleague players from their competitions and the World Cup.
Can UEFA rule on the World Cup? It's not their competition. Mind you, I'd expect FIFA to make the same decision anyway.
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President of UEFA giving a presser now.
Confirms their intention to ban all superleague players from their competitions and the World Cup.
Can UEFA rule on the World Cup? It's not their competition. Mind you, I'd expect FIFA to make the same decision anyway.
No UEFA can't rule on the World Cup but they have the full backing of FIFA in this.
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An anonymous board member for one the English Super League clubs has spoken to Sky Sports to describe the proposals not as "civil war [but] it's a nuclear war."
In an extremely inflammatory statement, the anonymous exec said: “Our job is to maximise our revenues. The wider good of the game is a secondary concern. The clubs don’t care about the backlash and opinions of the fans."
That's a straight forward "f**k you" then.
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While I’ve little time for the beurocrats at the highest level of world and European football, you can’t help but raise an eyebrow when the UEFA president gets personal about the conduct of those he once trusted.
Still more from Ceferin
Sean Ingle again: “Čeferin admits that he was blindsided by the European Super League. “I’ve seen many things in my life, I was a criminal lawyer for 24 years, so I’ve seen different people, but I’ve never ever seen people like that,” he says. “If I start with Ed Woodward,” he adds.” I didn’t have much contact with him but he called me last Thursday in the evening, saying that he’s very satisfied with the reforms, that he fully supports the reforms, and that the only thing he would like to speak about is financial fair play. And obviously he already signed something else.”
And the full line on Agnelli: “He’s probably the biggest disappointment of all, I don’t want to be too personal. But the fact is I’ve never seen a person lie so many times, so persistently. That he did was unbelievable. I spoke with him on Saturday afternoon. He says, ‘These are only rumours. Don’t worry, nothing is going on.’ And then he said, ‘I’ll call you in one hour. And he turned off the phone. Next day, we get the announcement.’ I’ve seen many things in my life but not a situation like that. Obviously, greediness is so strong that all the human values evaporate.”
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An anonymous board member for one the English Super League clubs has spoken to Sky Sports to describe the proposals not as "civil war [but] it's a nuclear war."
In an extremely inflammatory statement, the anonymous exec said: “Our job is to maximise our revenues. The wider good of the game is a secondary concern. The clubs don’t care about the backlash and opinions of the fans."
That's a straight forward "f**k you" then.
It's nice of them to be honest for once, though.
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Woodwards home got attacked because of how Uniteds Revenue was being used. He'll be homeless and in hospital over this if that's anything to go by.
Spurs have played a blinder mind.
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PL heads to meet with 14 other clubs tomorrow minus the big 6.
Now I’d love to be a fly on the wall for that meeting.
As has been muted on talk sport this afternoon, The football leagues as we know them will be knackered from now on with or without the big 6, if the ESL goes ahead.
The boards and owners of the other 14 will no doubt have the casting votes on expelling the big 6.
And no matter what, those 6 teams reputations and respect in this country is now damaged forever.
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Shares in Juventus up 17% today, Man U up 9% - looks as though the money men think this is a good idea - and thats what counts in international business:
https://twitter.com/BBCSimonJack/status/1384143881525075979
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But that’s what this is all about. The American business men behind all this don’t like risk and being relegated, or not making it to a big final, is a financial risk they will avoid at all costs. ESL removes all this risk by creating huge guaranteed wealth every week, every month every year. With no risk.
I just hope and pray the games are played in front of empty grounds.
Football fans are fickle though. And they happily pay £100 per match at Old traffford. I dread to think what this will cost. And let’s be fair, it will get boring watching the same games week in week out. At least the big 6 get a bit of variety with big and small clubs to play. No game will be special anymore.
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President of UEFA giving a presser now.
Confirms their intention to ban all superleague players from their competitions and the World Cup.
Can UEFA rule on the World Cup? It's not their competition. Mind you, I'd expect FIFA to make the same decision anyway.
FIFA - the people who thought it was OK to have a World Cup in Quatar.
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Crikey, there’s even a website now set up. The super league.com
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Crikey, there’s even a website now set up. The super league.com
I wonder how long that's been sat waiting to go live...
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The fan outrage is wide spread and across all clubs especially those involved which is good to see. If it does go through people need to put the money where their mouth is. Don't pay for any streaming service that shows the games don't go etc etc that's the only way to change things.
Having purchased a listed property and tried doing work to it i find it amazing the owners of such integral parts of huge communities can do whatever they want. I'm told what windows i can and can't have yet there's no checks on what happens to football clubs! So strange. I think the biggest hope is that it's caused such outrage that government may be forced to intervene and regulate the game so it stays to it's roots.
If a property in some little village is worth protecting to maintain history and local culture (it's not even anything special!) then football clubs must be.
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f**k ‘em.
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Proper English football fans boycotting it won't make a difference. Outside of Europe is where all the money will come from with even more of them wanting to pay to watch this.
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Proper English football fans boycotting it won't make a difference. Outside of Europe is where all the money will come from with even more of them wanting to pay to watch this.
It’s interesting. I’ve spent some time researching other clubs forums. There is a feeling amongst some Liverpool supporters for instance that they consider themselves more respected in places like Milan than anywhere in the uk. They quite simply think they are so special that they can just happily cut themselves off from the very country they live in.
For me the future of this league will lay with people who are willing to pay for it and the players, without which there is no league.
Take Mason Greenwood for example. A young and upcoming star with a probable regular future place in the England squad. As a super league player he could be looking at 1 million pounds per week as a player. But, he cannot play for his national side. Then there is his agent who will be on a pretty penny.
The alternative, a place in the Burnley squad perhaps, or Leicester, on considerably less money. What would you do?
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Apparently local authorities can prevent a local club from using their name.
I wonder what would happen to their brand recognition if these clubs were forced to adopt Pro Evo Soccer style names? Mersey Reds, Red Devils, Blue City.
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Forest have more right to be in this jumped up lge than the likes of Arsenal.
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Did anyone see the FA semi final between Chelsea and City.........can you imagine watching that every week. :zzz:
total dross
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Supporters trusts coming together to fight the super league proposals.
They don’t have a chance, unless they can come up with £6bn between them.
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Crikey, there’s even a website now set up. The super league.com
I wonder how long that's been sat waiting to go live...
Registered 2/6/2008 (probably a speculative purchase looking to make money)
Updated 27/10/2020 (probably when ownership transfer and the ball started rolling on the website)
Registered through Amazon (don't read too much into that)
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Did anyone see the FA semi final between Chelsea and City.........can you imagine watching that every week. :zzz:
total dross
But that's the FA Cup and the big clubs aren't interested in it. Which is exactly how they'll feel about the Premier League the second they don't need to compete in it any more to qualify for Europe.
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So here we are, 2 years later;
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=270708.msg868864#msg868864
http://fsf.org.uk/blog/view/six-reasons-to-oppose-a-european-super-league
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Where was all this angst when the Premiership was set up? The only reason for it was to keep all the money from Sky for the "top" clubs, so what is the difference between that and the European club championship, it just means that the other 124 clubs left behind will suffer a massive shortfall in funds, I really could cry for them, hypocrites! And what about all these wailing fans? I bet they will be paying their subscription to Sky and watching all the games, you too have contributed to the demise of British football by buying into it.
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It'd be interesting to find out which PL clubs were invited to join and turned it down, and also which PL clubs weren't bothered to be asked at all.
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Where was all this angst when the Premiership was set up? The only reason for it was to keep all the money from Sky for the "top" clubs, so what is the difference between that and the European club championship, it just means that the other 124 clubs left behind will suffer a massive shortfall in funds, I really could cry for them, hypocrites! And what about all these wailing fans? I bet they will be paying their subscription to Sky and watching all the games, you too have contributed to the demise of British football by buying into it.
Yeah that!!
sky subscribers have propped up the beast for too long.......... I’m hopeful that this ESL happens and look forward to what the future holds ....
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Where was all this angst when the Premiership was set up? The only reason for it was to keep all the money from Sky for the "top" clubs, so what is the difference between that and the European club championship, it just means that the other 124 clubs left behind will suffer a massive shortfall in funds, I really could cry for them, hypocrites! And what about all these wailing fans? I bet they will be paying their subscription to Sky and watching all the games, you too have contributed to the demise of British football by buying into it.
The big difference is the abandoning of the principle of jeopardy and relegation.
That's new. That's why this is easily the most worst thing to ever happen in European football.
A European Super League where Real Madrid or Man Utd could go down and Liecester and Atalanta promoted might be acceptable.
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Having chewed over this today surely the owners of these clubs who have signed this letter of intent have proven they are no longer fit and proper persons to be owners of English football clubs.
This is a gross act of misconduct and the football World needs to use whatever legal means to wrestle the ownership out of their hands.
They have all got to go. They cannot be trusted. If the clubs involved are barred from domestic competition, the owners have nothing and their assets or debts become worthless.
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So I’ve seen rovers play at the emirates, but looks like we will never get the chance to see them play at Spurs new ground. Or the ethiad. Some on her have been lucky enough and old enough to see a rovers side play at anfield and old Trafford. But those chances for the next generation will go I’m afraid.
Sorry to be pedantic, NR, but I'm old, and I've been to Anfield, but I've never been to Old Trafford; and I honestly can't remember the Rovers ever playing there.
I could be wrong though, and I've no doubt someone will correct me if I am.
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Youth cup 1958. But you are right. I don’t think the first team, ever played. My bad.
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They did play November 1935. Before anyone’s time though perhaps. Or maybe not ?
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Interesting reading.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/19/revealed-unpublished-super-league-document-justifying-breakaway
So essentially these clubs have gone bust, thanks to Covid. Well at least the likes of Madrid and Man Utd have.
The only way out is to accept the JP Morgan money and screw the rest of football, which their greedy owners are only too pleased to do.
This is what's driving such radical action.
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Where was all this angst when the Premiership was set up? The only reason for it was to keep all the money from Sky for the "top" clubs, so what is the difference between that and the European club championship, it just means that the other 124 clubs left behind will suffer a massive shortfall in funds, I really could cry for them, hypocrites! And what about all these wailing fans? I bet they will be paying their subscription to Sky and watching all the games, you too have contributed to the demise of British football by buying into it.
The big difference is the abandoning of the principle of jeopardy and relegation.
That's new. That's why this is easily the most worst thing to ever happen in European football.
A European Super League where Real Madrid or Man Utd could go down and Liecester and Atalanta promoted might be acceptable.
So what!
What has all that super league malarkey got to do with Doncaster Rovers?
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They did play November 1935. Before anyone’s time though perhaps. Or maybe not ?
Ask Wolfie or BB. One of them will definitely have the programme.
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So here we are, 2 years later;
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=270708.msg868864#msg868864
http://fsf.org.uk/blog/view/six-reasons-to-oppose-a-european-super-league
What happened to the campaign to prevent it happening referenced in the opening post?
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Gary Neville has tweeted the suggestion that Leeds stand on the touch line tonight and let Liverpool score as they clearly don’t want competition in the future.
Lol.
I would definitely support this idea. Leeds should continue this until the end of the season in every match.
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Where was all this angst when the Premiership was set up? The only reason for it was to keep all the money from Sky for the "top" clubs, so what is the difference between that and the European club championship, it just means that the other 124 clubs left behind will suffer a massive shortfall in funds, I really could cry for them, hypocrites! And what about all these wailing fans? I bet they will be paying their subscription to Sky and watching all the games, you too have contributed to the demise of British football by buying into it.
The big difference is the abandoning of the principle of jeopardy and relegation.
That's new. That's why this is easily the most worst thing to ever happen in European football.
A European Super League where Real Madrid or Man Utd could go down and Liecester and Atalanta promoted might be acceptable.
So what!
What has all that super league malarkey got to do with Doncaster Rovers?
It may not seem relevant to TLOD. However If you read some of the links silent majority has posted, you will see that it very much affects clubs like ours.there is likely to be significantly less money trickling down the pyramid from tv rights. Clubs will suffer.
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Where was all this angst when the Premiership was set up? The only reason for it was to keep all the money from Sky for the "top" clubs, so what is the difference between that and the European club championship, it just means that the other 124 clubs left behind will suffer a massive shortfall in funds, I really could cry for them, hypocrites! And what about all these wailing fans? I bet they will be paying their subscription to Sky and watching all the games, you too have contributed to the demise of British football by buying into it.
The big difference is the abandoning of the principle of jeopardy and relegation.
That's new. That's why this is easily the most worst thing to ever happen in European football.
A European Super League where Real Madrid or Man Utd could go down and Liecester and Atalanta promoted might be acceptable.
So what!
What has all that super league malarkey got to do with Doncaster Rovers?
It may not seem relevant to TLOD. However If you read some of the links silent majority has posted, you will see that it very much affects clubs like ours.there is likely to be significantly less money trickling down the pyramid from tv rights. Clubs will suffer.
Ultimately, if all clubs are similarly affected and have to 'cut their cloth' then surely it will be player earnings that will have to withstand the bulk of the reduction. Perhaps the club delaying contract renewals could help with managing the change to that reduced income.
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Where was all this angst when the Premiership was set up? The only reason for it was to keep all the money from Sky for the "top" clubs, so what is the difference between that and the European club championship, it just means that the other 124 clubs left behind will suffer a massive shortfall in funds, I really could cry for them, hypocrites! And what about all these wailing fans? I bet they will be paying their subscription to Sky and watching all the games, you too have contributed to the demise of British football by buying into it.
The big difference is the abandoning of the principle of jeopardy and relegation.
That's new. That's why this is easily the most worst thing to ever happen in European football.
A European Super League where Real Madrid or Man Utd could go down and Liecester and Atalanta promoted might be acceptable.
So what!
What has all that super league malarkey got to do with Doncaster Rovers?
It may not seem relevant to TLOD. However If you read some of the links silent majority has posted, you will see that it very much affects clubs like ours.there is likely to be significantly less money trickling down the pyramid from tv rights. Clubs will suffer.
It may well mean a reduction in income for Rovers.
There may well be ramifications for the national team, and international football in general. That will concern a lot of Rovers supporters.
Beyond that though, I don't see why anyone interested in football should not care about how the game is run more widely,
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Take at look at the Spurs situation. Sack manager and an ex rovers player takes over. Every club at every level has threads linking clubs to each other. The PL exists because we exist. Without fans football is nothing. Without clubs like rovers, the pyramid doesn’t exist. We are part of something much bigger.
Those at the very top have lost sight of this due to sheer greed.
And I hope it costs them in the long term.
It’s their supporters I feel for though.
Football will prevail I hope.
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Let them fully leave the premier, telling them to sign a waver saying that if it all goes tits up (which it will) they have to pay £100 billion each to come back in.
It’s a franchise based idea that will have the game looking like this in two years time.
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OK Mods time to move this to off topic, sod all to do with football all to do with greed and money and the NFL franchise system
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So here we are, 2 years later;
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=270708.msg868864#msg868864
http://fsf.org.uk/blog/view/six-reasons-to-oppose-a-european-super-league
What happened to the campaign to prevent it happening referenced in the opening post?
Well the campaign is still alive, and the subject has never gone away, we've been in talks with UEFA, the EPL, PFA for quite some time now. More importantly we've been discussing this with the powers that be at Westminster, and today the Secretary of State announced that the Fan led review which we've been campaigning for some years has gone to to the top of the list.
This latest Super League effort is not exactly the same as the one that I talked about 2 years ago. Then it was being promoted by the ECA, the European Clubs Association, and the work we did with the FSE (Football Supporters Europe) made sure that the ECA dropped their proposals. It's the frustration of not seeing their plans come to fruition that has promoted these clubs to go it alone.
So, in essence we were successful, but of course its now back on the agenda because the greed has taken over. These clubs have even resigned from the ECA meaning they are on their own, very much so.
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Juergen klopp has come out and renounced the decision. He has said him and the players knew nothing. He will be the next to join the special one in looking for another team to manage no doubt.
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Gerrard will manage the franchise if that happens
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You can almost read the outcome of the "fan-led" review now. Will just entrench the current status quo, as that will be presented as some kind of golden age worth preserving, rather than literally the problem that needs solving. Any review led by a Tory MP is not going to deliver any radical change. Doubtless plenty will make the case for change but you can predict now that bugger all will come of this.
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You can almost read the outcome of the "fan-led" review now. Will just entrench the current status quo, as that will be presented as some kind of golden age worth preserving, rather than literally the problem that needs solving. Any review led by a Tory MP is not going to deliver any radical change. Doubtless plenty will make the case for change but you can predict now that bugger all will come of this.
I think you're missing the point! This is a fan led review based on the work we've done and presented to the FA and others.
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/fsa-statement-government-fan-led-review/
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You can almost read the outcome of the "fan-led" review now. Will just entrench the current status quo, as that will be presented as some kind of golden age worth preserving, rather than literally the problem that needs solving. Any review led by a Tory MP is not going to deliver any radical change. Doubtless plenty will make the case for change but you can predict now that bugger all will come of this.
I think you're missing the point! This is a fan led review based on the work we've done and presented to the FA and others.
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/fsa-statement-government-fan-led-review/
A government that wont let workers reps join company boards and allows the gig economy is going to support fans running £multi-billion football clubs. Oh aye...
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SM, with the PL other 14 meeting tomorrow, what course of action would you advocate?
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It has been inevitable for some years though that the ESL was going to happen.
Just like those builders who get planning refused but keep coming back with a revised set of plans until they get their own way.
The building goes ahead, some of the protesters even buy one of the houses and everyone gets used to things as they have become.
The protestors did their best but nothing could stop the development.
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Hound, this isn’t a new build, to use your analogy. They are knocking down Buckingham Palace to build a Burger King.
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I think we can all agree these owners need driving out of the game by any means.
It does hasten the need for the review of football ownership and finance, whether that be the German model or our own model.
The football pyramid will always generate income and whether that reduces that income for a period due to this than so be it as long as we are left with a fair system across the leagues.
Liverpool, Spurs, Man City Chelsea Man U, will continue to exist one way or another, even if it means the trading vehicles, names and owners of those clubs are eliminated and they have to start again.
It's not the fans fault, not the managers or players fault. Thankfully it seems everyone associated with the game and governments will nip this in the bud whatever it takes.
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Hound, this isn’t a new build, to use your analogy. They are knocking down Buckingham Palace to build a Burger King.
They needed to get the permission to do it though and it appears that it eventually came through.
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I don’t think any permission has been given. Those euro clubs involved have resigned their positions on the ECA. I suspect the English clubs involved will have to resign their positions in the respective authorities.
And where will players stand if the PFA don’t recognise the new league, or the managers association for that matter?
Who will ref these games? I can’t see FA refs being allowed to.
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Where was all this angst when the Premiership was set up? The only reason for it was to keep all the money from Sky for the "top" clubs, so what is the difference between that and the European club championship, it just means that the other 124 clubs left behind will suffer a massive shortfall in funds, I really could cry for them, hypocrites! And what about all these wailing fans? I bet they will be paying their subscription to Sky and watching all the games, you too have contributed to the demise of British football by buying into it.
The big difference is the abandoning of the principle of jeopardy and relegation.
That's new. That's why this is easily the most worst thing to ever happen in European football.
A European Super League where Real Madrid or Man Utd could go down and Liecester and Atalanta promoted might be acceptable.
So what!
What has all that super league malarkey got to do with Doncaster Rovers?
It may not seem relevant to TLOD. However If you read some of the links silent majority has posted, you will see that it very much affects clubs like ours.there is likely to be significantly less money trickling down the pyramid from tv rights. Clubs will suffer.
It may well mean a reduction in income for Rovers.
There may well be ramifications for the national team, and international football in general. That will concern a lot of Rovers supporters.
Beyond that though, I don't see why anyone interested in football should not care about how the game is run more widely,
Rovers income reduction will mean we have to cut our cloth and become more savvy ..
National team and international football will survive ..
Being interested in football is a mere distraction and nothing compared to being interested in Doncaster Rovers....
I’m sure you would cancel your Sky/ BT Sports package immediately in protest should this go ahead?
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Rule L9 in the PL rules states no club can compete in anything other than one of the listed competitions IN SEASON.
It’s no coincidence that the PL season is about to end. When it does, the six will resign their position in the FA. The euro clubs have already left the ECA as they have differing authorities and rules.
The super league will start before August. They won’t be bound by our traditional football season dates
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You can almost read the outcome of the "fan-led" review now. Will just entrench the current status quo, as that will be presented as some kind of golden age worth preserving, rather than literally the problem that needs solving. Any review led by a Tory MP is not going to deliver any radical change. Doubtless plenty will make the case for change but you can predict now that bugger all will come of this.
I think you're missing the point! This is a fan led review based on the work we've done and presented to the FA and others.
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/fsa-statement-government-fan-led-review/
A government that wont let workers reps join company boards and allows the gig economy is going to support fans running £multi-billion football clubs. Oh aye...
I have absolutely no idea how you arrived at that from anything I've posted.
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I don’t think any permission has been given. Those euro clubs involved have resigned their positions on the ECA. I suspect the English clubs involved will have to resign their positions in the respective authorities.
And where will players stand if the PFA don’t recognise the new league, or the managers association for that matter?
Who will ref these games? I can’t see FA refs being allowed to.
It will be like the Kerry Packer thing that I mentioned earlier tonight.
Umpires went with that group as well as players.
They were all banned from the regular international cricket but eventually were allowed back.
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SM, with the PL other 14 meeting tomorrow, what course of action would you advocate?
I'm assuming that the EPL will advise all clubs signing up for the ESL that there is no place in the EPL for them.
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Rule L9 in the PL rules states no club can compete in anything other than one of the listed competitions IN SEASON.
It’s no coincidence that the PL season is about to end. When it does, the six will resign their position in the FA. The euro clubs have already left the ECA as they have differing authorities and rules.
The super league will start before August. They won’t be bound by our traditional football season dates
When they resign frim the PL, there should be no return to the PL, they should be made to rejoin at the very bottom, after paying a multi billion pound bond
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SM, with the PL other 14 meeting tomorrow, what course of action would you advocate?
I'm assuming that the EPL will advise all clubs signing up for the ESL that there is no place in the EPL for them.
Good, it is nothing less than they deserve.
I say this as someone who has Liverpool as my “second team”.
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I suspect the point he was making was that this is being chaired by a Tory MP and while there is doubtless lots of great work being undertaken by the FSF and many other bodies, this review by definition (chaired by a Tory MP and reporting to a Tory Government) is not going to change anything of substance.
As I mentioned before, the reason the game is in such a mess is that the spoils are split so unequally. If the cause of this review was to meet the threat of a small group of elite clubs threatening to in effect 'leave' the English system (I know they will be in the EPL, but that will no longer be a credible contest) because they are not getting enough cash into their fat gobs, this review is hardly likely to deliver anything that delivers a more equitable distribution of the riches of the game.
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It has been inevitable for some years though that the ESL was going to happen.
Just like those builders who get planning refused but keep coming back with a revised set of plans until they get their own way.
The building goes ahead, some of the protesters even buy one of the houses and everyone gets used to things as they have become.
The protestors did their best but nothing could stop the development.
Your analogy doesn't really work as this was a different set of builders. The last time it was the ECA, not this time.
Furthermore they still haven't got planning permission, nor have they got any land to build on, the land belongs to someone else.
I don't think I've ever seen supporters so closely aligned as they are with this issue. Fans of the big six have all been active today in telling their clubs that they won't sit idly by.
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Where was all this angst when the Premiership was set up? The only reason for it was to keep all the money from Sky for the "top" clubs, so what is the difference between that and the European club championship, it just means that the other 124 clubs left behind will suffer a massive shortfall in funds, I really could cry for them, hypocrites! And what about all these wailing fans? I bet they will be paying their subscription to Sky and watching all the games, you too have contributed to the demise of British football by buying into it.
The big difference is the abandoning of the principle of jeopardy and relegation.
That's new. That's why this is easily the most worst thing to ever happen in European football.
A European Super League where Real Madrid or Man Utd could go down and Liecester and Atalanta promoted might be acceptable.
So what!
What has all that super league malarkey got to do with Doncaster Rovers?
It may not seem relevant to TLOD. However If you read some of the links silent majority has posted, you will see that it very much affects clubs like ours.there is likely to be significantly less money trickling down the pyramid from tv rights. Clubs will suffer.
It may well mean a reduction in income for Rovers.
There may well be ramifications for the national team, and international football in general. That will concern a lot of Rovers supporters.
Beyond that though, I don't see why anyone interested in football should not care about how the game is run more widely,
Rovers income reduction will mean we have to cut our cloth and become more savvy ..
National team and international football will survive ..
Being interested in football is a mere distraction and nothing compared to being interested in Doncaster Rovers....
I’m sure you would cancel your Sky/ BT Sports package immediately in protest should this go ahead?
Never having approved of the Premier League, I've never had a Sky or BT sports package.
I've only followed the Premier league through Match of the Day highlights.
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I suspect the point he was making was that this is being chaired by a Tory MP and while there is doubtless lots of great work being undertaken by the FSF and many other bodies, this review by definition (chaired by a Tory MP and reporting to a Tory Government) is not going to change anything of substance.
As I mentioned before, the reason the game is in such a mess is that the spoils are split so unequally. If the cause of this review was to meet the threat of a small group of elite clubs threatening to in effect 'leave' the English system (I know they will be in the EPL, but that will no longer be a credible contest) because they are not getting enough cash into their fat gobs, this review is hardly likely to deliver anything that delivers a more equitable distribution of the riches of the game.
Tracey Crouch is a football supporter, and she is only the Chair. The Vice Chair is an ex- labour MP who also happens to be the deputy chair of the FSA. The FSA is also the secretariat.
Our proposals have had cross party support, and the Secretary of State today stated in Parliament that our demand for an independent regulator is definitely on the cards.
This is nothing like all the previous reviews into the state of football, its our demands and proposals that's up for discussion. If you've read our document Sustain The Game, its that that's being presented.
I feel confident about this.
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I hope you do succeed and there is lots of good work being done by the FSA and many others. She is a former Minister in that department and no doubt wants to get a job back at some point, so isn't going to rock the boat. We all know what the problem is fundamentally, and there is no way this will result in the cash being shared out more fairly. Everything else is helpful no doubt but cannot shift the dial until this fundamental issue is addressed (which it never will be).
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It has been inevitable for some years though that the ESL was going to happen.
Just like those builders who get planning refused but keep coming back with a revised set of plans until they get their own way.
The building goes ahead, some of the protesters even buy one of the houses and everyone gets used to things as they have become.
The protestors did their best but nothing could stop the development.
Your analogy doesn't really work as this was a different set of builders. The last time it was the ECA, not this time.
Furthermore they still haven't got planning permission, nor have they got any land to build on, the land belongs to someone else.
I don't think I've ever seen supporters so closely aligned as they are with this issue. Fans of the big six have all been active today in telling their clubs that they won't sit idly by.
I am on the same side as you SM and support the same things.
I just feel that the ESL is going to happen and has been inevitable for quite a few years.
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Hound, the West Indians that played in South Africa were never welcomed back into test cricket, and the great south African side were never put back together again as a test team and the country were out of test cricket for quite a while lots of the players ending their careers in county cricket such as Eddie Barlow and Barry Richards.
What people need to accept is that football will take a knock in this country if the six are expelled, but will survive. the game at youth and non league levels are stronger than ever, but needs to be encouraged at the level of local leagues such as the Doncaster Senior League where because of teams centred on company sides going to the wall there are less teams for the youths to graduate to and lots drop out of the game as players when leaving school age.
As for the top six clubs, there is nothing to stop them moving to other country's such as China, India,etc as they are no longer football clubs but business's and if the supporters here boycott them could be just picked up and moved on like American football clubs.
The tail has wagged the dog for too long I am afraid, the train has left the station, does it make any difference to clubs like the Rovers, not really, we would just have to live on less and find our level like lots of others, we might even gain if teams like Derby and the Wednesday with their debt go bust which could be the bye product for a while while the game takes a reset.
I can see the big TV companies being the biggest losers, in the digital world surely the clubs themselves will do the broadcasting direct to the fans especially in the far east and take the rewards.
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Poor old Jurgen, he doesn't like the idea of a Superleague but he's just a manager. Those fans are understandably angry but they shouldn't do things that affect the team, he says.
Why not?
It doesn't matter where Liverpool finish in the league now. You've already made it to the Superleague. The actions of those annoyed scousers doesn't matter. You might as well pack in the domestic league this season, there's nothing to play for.
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Mel Stride (Tory MP & chair of Treasury Select Committte) on Radio 5 - the goverment will not be legislating for fan ownership on the German model as this will be 'taking property away from people'.
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You can almost read the outcome of the "fan-led" review now. Will just entrench the current status quo, as that will be presented as some kind of golden age worth preserving, rather than literally the problem that needs solving. Any review led by a Tory MP is not going to deliver any radical change. Doubtless plenty will make the case for change but you can predict now that bugger all will come of this.
I think you're missing the point! This is a fan led review based on the work we've done and presented to the FA and others.
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/fsa-statement-government-fan-led-review/
A government that wont let workers reps join company boards and allows the gig economy is going to support fans running £multi-billion football clubs. Oh aye...
I have absolutely no idea how you arrived at that from anything I've posted.
It's not about what you posted SM - Wilts is on a personal crusade against the Tories - and will use any avenue possible.... :whistle:
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I don’t think any permission has been given. Those euro clubs involved have resigned their positions on the ECA. I suspect the English clubs involved will have to resign their positions in the respective authorities.
And where will players stand if the PFA don’t recognise the new league, or the managers association for that matter?
Who will ref these games? I can’t see FA refs being allowed to.
It will be like the Kerry Packer thing that I mentioned earlier tonight.
Umpires went with that group as well as players.
They were all banned from the regular international cricket but eventually were allowed back.
Here's hoping Trevor Kettle is watching...... :whistle:
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Everton have come out and made a club statement which makes good reading.
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There are enough clubs of sufficient stature in England for a very healthy league.
Throw this lot out. We don't need them.
Edit. In fact for clubs like Everton, Newcastle, Leeds, West Ham, Leicester this should be seen as a golden opportunity.
And for clubs like Forest, Wednesday, Fulham, Palace, Southampton, Birmingham City an opportunity to establish themselves at a much higher level than they've been used to of late.
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I'd be interested to hear what happens to the individual team names...... for instance can Liverpool still call themselves Liverpool Football Club, or will they need to change to something else...?
I saw that at the final whistle last night Leeds tweeted that they had drawn with Merseyside Reds...... which I thought was funny :thumbsup:
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Someone has already alluded to the fact that local councils can object to the name of the town or city being used for football clubs.
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FIFA president not mincing his words. You are either in or out.
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Juventus shares down 9% this morning...
Perhaps investors are beginning to wonder if its such a fabulous idea after all?
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I hope this happens and happens fast,
I can’t abide these elite team supporters talking about historical pride and grass roots football when I’d wager 99% of them wouldn’t be able to name a National League team if their life depended on it...
They know the cost of everything and the value of nothing, happy to see a 100 million pound acquisition for their team, yet little realising nor caring that 1% of that would keep the lights on at a 5th tier teams ground for a couple of years....” oh there are teams lower than the premiership?”
I want this to happen so that we can all be involved in the great reset...and it would be nice to watch the aftermath meltdown of the elite plastic fans....
Rant over, ................... for now
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I'm not sure if any of you follow Brazilian football but they have been in crisis for a while.
This article draws a great comparison between the struggles in Brazil and the setting up of a European Super League. Its a good read, just imagine that Brazil is Europe and the states in Brazil are individual European countries;
https://www.espn.com/soccer/brazilian-serie-a/story/4274748/fan-unrest-in-brazil-serves-as-warning-to-europes-super-league-dreams
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I hope this happens and happens fast,
I can’t abide these elite team supporters talking about historical pride and grass roots football when I’d wager 99% of them wouldn’t be able to name a National League team if their life depended on it...
They know the cost of everything and the value of nothing, happy to see a 100 million pound acquisition for their team, yet little realising nor caring that 1% of that would keep the lights on at a 5th tier teams ground for a couple of years....” oh there are teams lower than the premiership?”
I want this to happen so that we can all be involved in the great reset...and it would be nice to watch the aftermath meltdown of the elite plastic fans....
Rant over, ................... for now
I’m sure there’s somewhere, possibly Sweden, where 1% of every player transfer received goes to a local grassroots team from their area
Seams like a very good idea to me
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It has been inevitable for some years though that the ESL was going to happen.
Just like those builders who get planning refused but keep coming back with a revised set of plans until they get their own way.
The building goes ahead, some of the protesters even buy one of the houses and everyone gets used to things as they have become.
The protestors did their best but nothing could stop the development.
Your analogy doesn't really work as this was a different set of builders. The last time it was the ECA, not this time.
Furthermore they still haven't got planning permission, nor have they got any land to build on, the land belongs to someone else.
I don't think I've ever seen supporters so closely aligned as they are with this issue. Fans of the big six have all been active today in telling their clubs that they won't sit idly by.
I am on the same side as you SM and support the same things.
I just feel that the ESL is going to happen and has been inevitable for quite a few years.
I appreciate that, I was just pointing out that your analogy doesn't work.
And, that I don't believe that this is inevitable. Having spent some years working with colleagues in other national supporter organisations I am always in awe at how highly organised the Germans are with regard to protest etc.
Unfortunately for us supporters still seem to be drawn very much on partisan lines, but that may change, yesterday saw a surge of people signing up with the FSA.
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BBC news reporting that someone close to one of the six are saying the six are very unified in their joining the ESL. They are waiting for the storm to die down. they knew they were declaring nuclear war effectively on supporters and players and managers. They have signed the contracts to join last weekend and it is a binding contract.
The storm should never die down on this until such time as they are expelled from everything to do with the national and European and worldwide game. And even then, anyone connected with any of these clubs should live their lives knowing they will be resented and disrespected forever.
There has to be consequences for taking this course of action, and those consequences have to be very firm, very robust, very long lasting and ever present.
I’m looking forward to seeing protests outside Stamford bridge tonight, and outside elland rd at the weekend and at villa park and any ground where top six will play. Sadly, the playing staff will bear the brunt, but given the owners are faceless, the playing staff will be in the firing line.
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I am hoping that we see some players protesting also... they have been shafted also - but have a means to influence... even if it means that they deliberately under-perform... Fans are rightly furious and at the end of the day, they have the power to withdraw their money.
I saw this and it made me mad though...
(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/HYD7ivnLoTDywqPDTMjH7Y-970-80.jpg.webp)
They could have used uppercase throughout FFS..... :whistle:
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Nice bit of humour from Wolves. They are claiming they were PL champions in 2018/19 having finished 7th behind the breakaway six.
They are suggesting it’s too late for a parade ? :lol:
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Other than financial gain, I can't see the benefits to these clubs - they will be essentially turning themselves into the football equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters....
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Nice bit of humour from Wolves. They are claiming they were PL champions in 2018/19 having finished 7th behind the breakaway six.
They are suggesting it’s too late for a parade ? :lol:
If they remove the results against those teams then Watford won the league that year.
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I don’t think the owner give a shit about having one fan in there ground as they will probably make more from American Chinese and oceanic tv rights
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I’m sure the Managers players of these teams are rubbing their grubby hands at the prospect of all that money they will receive ........ multi multi millionaires playing against multi multi millionaires.....
Oh! ...but the Players could refuse .....
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These clubs are run by shysters who only care about the financial side MM. They don't give a shit about the competition aspect or all the intangible things that make football great. Just the numbers on the accounts.
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Since 2000, if my arithmetic is correct, only 18 teams have appeared in a Champions League final. Extending that back to 1980 only increases it to 28 teams. Since 2010, the 12 clubs plus PSG, Bayern and Dortmund have contested every final. The chances are that anyone aged 25 or younger, doesn't remember a final without them.
These clubs don't want to break away as such, they want to run their own European competition in an almost closed shop alongside their existing domestic league season. It really isn't that much different from what we have now, except for the guarantee of the closed shop. For all the talk of dreaming of reaching these heights, it never happens for almost every club. Let the big boys have their own way. The fact is, nothing much changes.
So who are we feeling sorry for? Everton? West Ham? Leicester? They didn't feel sorry for us when they started all this with the Premier League cash cow or when 1998 happened to us. They haven't been worried that we are never realistically going to be in with a chance of European qualification. When they were selling their souls for pots of money for coming anywhere above 18th in the EPL they weren't thinking about the fairness of it all. There were no cries of foul from them when parachute payments were brought in or extended. And before anyone says "what about their fans?", what about them? They aren't bothered about us either. "The likes of Doncaster" isn't a compliment. If we go into oblivion they won't even wave goodbye.
They'll all have to do what we do, manage on what they get and manage their expectations accordingly. Boo f**king hoo.
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You can almost read the outcome of the "fan-led" review now. Will just entrench the current status quo, as that will be presented as some kind of golden age worth preserving, rather than literally the problem that needs solving. Any review led by a Tory MP is not going to deliver any radical change. Doubtless plenty will make the case for change but you can predict now that bugger all will come of this.
I think you're missing the point! This is a fan led review based on the work we've done and presented to the FA and others.
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/fsa-statement-government-fan-led-review/
A government that wont let workers reps join company boards and allows the gig economy is going to support fans running £multi-billion football clubs. Oh aye...
I have absolutely no idea how you arrived at that from anything I've posted.
It's not about what you posted SM - Wilts is on a personal crusade against the Tories - and will use any avenue possible.... :whistle:
I am afraid it relects my experince of what this government says - and what this government does. I hope I am wrong in this instance - but doubt it.
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Given these billionaire owners of these clubs are fond of top secret zoom meetings, the players and staff of those clubs should hold their own top secret zoom meetings and come out with a common statement, lets see player power at it’s best. We are all guilty of moaning about player power when a player wants away, but in this case player power is key, without the Worlds top players the European Super League is not going to be very super is it?
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Saw this on another site....
Tottenham joining a European Super League is like Bananaman getting called up as an Avenger
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It will be interesting to see what (if any) fans would turn up at these games.... I guess it depends on the venue's etc etc. However, we have all seen that playing without fans doesn't offer the same atmosphere or enjoyment - and may affect then armchair audience also.
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Meanwhile....... while some complain, some want to be part of the ESL...
https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/benfica-lobby-for-inclusion-in-the-esl-and-jp-morgan-approach-napoli/
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Pep's press conference on SSN is very awkward.
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Looks like some of the clubs are getting cold feet - from Sky:
Strong differences of opinion emerging in private between breakaway clubs. Some of execs involved believe they're being hung out to dry & are beginning to get cold feet. They're nervous & disappointed about way it's been handled. One says: “This is not what we signed up for”
https://twitter.com/SkyKaveh/status/1384437700418281472
It is of course exactly what they signed up for.
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Premier lge statement just released.
The Premier League, alongside The FA, met with clubs today to discuss the immediate implications of the Super League proposal.
The 14 clubs at the meeting unanimously and vigorously rejected the plans for the competition. The Premier League is considering all actions available to prevent it from progressing, as well as holding those shareholders involved to account under its rules.
The League will continue to work with key stakeholders including fan groups, government, Uefa, The FA, EFL, PFA and LMA to protect the best interests of the game and call on those clubs involved in the proposed competition to cease their involvement immediately.
The Premier League would like to thank fans and all stakeholders for the support they have shown this week on this significant issue. The reaction proves just how much our open pyramid and football community means to people.
Nothing groundbreaking here.hollow words without action.
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Since 2000, if my arithmetic is correct, only 18 teams have appeared in a Champions League final. Extending that back to 1980 only increases it to 28 teams. Since 2010, the 12 clubs plus PSG, Bayern and Dortmund have contested every final. The chances are that anyone aged 25 or younger, doesn't remember a final without them.
These clubs don't want to break away as such, they want to run their own European competition in an almost closed shop alongside their existing domestic league season. It really isn't that much different from what we have now, except for the guarantee of the closed shop. For all the talk of dreaming of reaching these heights, it never happens for almost every club. Let the big boys have their own way. The fact is, nothing much changes.
So who are we feeling sorry for? Everton? West Ham? Leicester? They didn't feel sorry for us when they started all this with the Premier League cash cow or when 1998 happened to us. They haven't been worried that we are never realistically going to be in with a chance of European qualification. When they were selling their souls for pots of money for coming anywhere above 18th in the EPL they weren't thinking about the fairness of it all. There were no cries of foul from them when parachute payments were brought in or extended. And before anyone says "what about their fans?", what about them? They aren't bothered about us either. "The likes of Doncaster" isn't a compliment. If we go into oblivion they won't even wave goodbye.
They'll all have to do what we do, manage on what they get and manage their expectations accordingly. Boo f**king hoo.
Comparisons to the formation of the Premier League are ludicrous. Anyone can be promoted to or relegated from the PL and it’s made both it and the EFL so competitive. The ESL would be an exclusive rich boys club and destroy the competitive nature of the PL with no top 4 race. 49 clubs have so far spent time in the PL.
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Glad we've had a 14-club meeting to determine that the ESL is bad. That'll show em.
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I feel a little disappointed by what seems to a rather tepid response from the Premier League 14. "The 14 clubs want the six breakaway clubs to stay in the Premier League". Not really what I was expecting, but I suppose they have more to lose than I do.
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Other than financial gain, I can't see the benefits to these clubs - they will be essentially turning themselves into the football equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters....
I might be wrong but I think it's about the financial gain.
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Since 2000, if my arithmetic is correct, only 18 teams have appeared in a Champions League final. Extending that back to 1980 only increases it to 28 teams. Since 2010, the 12 clubs plus PSG, Bayern and Dortmund have contested every final. The chances are that anyone aged 25 or younger, doesn't remember a final without them.
These clubs don't want to break away as such, they want to run their own European competition in an almost closed shop alongside their existing domestic league season. It really isn't that much different from what we have now, except for the guarantee of the closed shop. For all the talk of dreaming of reaching these heights, it never happens for almost every club. Let the big boys have their own way. The fact is, nothing much changes.
So who are we feeling sorry for? Everton? West Ham? Leicester? They didn't feel sorry for us when they started all this with the Premier League cash cow or when 1998 happened to us. They haven't been worried that we are never realistically going to be in with a chance of European qualification. When they were selling their souls for pots of money for coming anywhere above 18th in the EPL they weren't thinking about the fairness of it all. There were no cries of foul from them when parachute payments were brought in or extended. And before anyone says "what about their fans?", what about them? They aren't bothered about us either. "The likes of Doncaster" isn't a compliment. If we go into oblivion they won't even wave goodbye.
They'll all have to do what we do, manage on what they get and manage their expectations accordingly. Boo f**king hoo.
Comparisons to the formation of the Premier League are ludicrous. Anyone can be promoted to or relegated from the PL and it’s made both it and the EFL so competitive. The ESL would be an exclusive rich boys club and destroy the competitive nature of the PL with no top 4 race. 49 clubs have so far spent time in the PL.
Ok, I'll give you relegation not that its likely to affect the ESL six. Other than that, its so competitive that no-one has won it without oodles of cash. Its a rich boys club. Leicester would have been nowhere without billionaire owners, Blackburn were early rich boys before Jack Walker's demise and the only other winners are the ESL clubs in 27 out of 29 seasons.
Do Rovers have a hope of winning it in the next 20 years? No, not a chance in hell unless some Saudi price decides we're the next Man City (that's a real "ludicrous" for you). Same for probably 84 other teams in the current 92.
Man City - now there's a perfect example. 2002 they return to the Premier League and then pumped full of money, they become the next big thing. That's not Man City being given a fair crack, that's akin to financial doping. They wouldn't be where they are without the money. Competitive my arse.
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If they decide not to go
I’m sure the FA will allow them to dominate the disposition of finances to compensate them for the troubles and aggravation they’ve had to endure recently.........
Thus securing better long term financial deals for years to come, and if all the other teams involved do the same, they WILL have their cake and eat it........ win win !
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Since 2000, if my arithmetic is correct, only 18 teams have appeared in a Champions League final. Extending that back to 1980 only increases it to 28 teams. Since 2010, the 12 clubs plus PSG, Bayern and Dortmund have contested every final. The chances are that anyone aged 25 or younger, doesn't remember a final without them.
These clubs don't want to break away as such, they want to run their own European competition in an almost closed shop alongside their existing domestic league season. It really isn't that much different from what we have now, except for the guarantee of the closed shop. For all the talk of dreaming of reaching these heights, it never happens for almost every club. Let the big boys have their own way. The fact is, nothing much changes.
So who are we feeling sorry for? Everton? West Ham? Leicester? They didn't feel sorry for us when they started all this with the Premier League cash cow or when 1998 happened to us. They haven't been worried that we are never realistically going to be in with a chance of European qualification. When they were selling their souls for pots of money for coming anywhere above 18th in the EPL they weren't thinking about the fairness of it all. There were no cries of foul from them when parachute payments were brought in or extended. And before anyone says "what about their fans?", what about them? They aren't bothered about us either. "The likes of Doncaster" isn't a compliment. If we go into oblivion they won't even wave goodbye.
They'll all have to do what we do, manage on what they get and manage their expectations accordingly. Boo f**king hoo.
Comparisons to the formation of the Premier League are ludicrous. Anyone can be promoted to or relegated from the PL and it’s made both it and the EFL so competitive. The ESL would be an exclusive rich boys club and destroy the competitive nature of the PL with no top 4 race. 49 clubs have so far spent time in the PL.
Ok, I'll give you relegation not that its likely to affect the ESL six. Other than that, its so competitive that no-one has won it without oodles of cash. Its a rich boys club. Leicester would have been nowhere without billionaire owners, Blackburn were early rich boys before Jack Walker's demise and the only other winners are the ESL clubs in 27 out of 29 seasons.
Do Rovers have a hope of winning it in the next 20 years? No, not a chance in hell unless some Saudi price decides we're the next Man City (that's a real "ludicrous" for you). Same for probably 84 other teams in the current 92.
Man City - now there's a perfect example. 2002 they return to the Premier League and then pumped full of money, they become the next big thing. That's not Man City being given a fair crack, that's akin to financial doping. They wouldn't be where they are without the money. Competitive my arse.
Stolen from another site..... but I largely agree with this bloke.
The bit of it's that bothering me about the opposition to it is this idea that we want the clubs to actually stay.
For me the fight is to make sure they go. The cat is out of the bag and they've made their intention's clear. I don't think the six/twelve should compete in a domestic or CL/Europa fixture ever again. There is no competitive merit to playing these clubs.
This should go ahead and the 12 should go. Whatever is left of our sport is ours to re-shape. There is opportunity here for the rest of us. The one result I don't want out of this is for the grovelling, sycophantic press releases to accompany re-entry to the Premier League, as these wretched institutions twist themselves in knots trying to explain how it wasn't them all along and they never actually wanted to do it.
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I also note that David Beckham has joined the cries of outrage...
https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/man-utd/european-super-league/news/david-beckham-hits-out-at-european-super-league_443963.html
That's the same Beckham who just bought a club in a league with no promotion/relegation, with the sole aim of financial gain.
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The one hope is reaction is so strong that the powers don't just leave it as it is but go further to make it even fairer. As Beerseller says there's essentially been a cartel anyway which requires Man City money to join so the odds are against everyone else. Hopefully the ESL gets thrown out then the fabric of the game changes for the better taking more power away from these clubs.
As i've said earlier how is it that these owners can do whatever they want with the football clubs (they'd play every game outside of england if it made more money) yet if you own a listed property you are tied up in knots with what you can't do legally! The Gov needs to give all football clubs certain legal protections.
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Because even the premier league is not regulated enough to prevent it from happening because I suppose those that impose the regulations never expected this to happen ? I’m only surmising .
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I’m going to call this whole thing PLEXIT.
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Pretty much since the inception of the football league clubs have been in the hands of the wealthy. They have been buying and selling players, first drawing them in from Scotland and then further afield.
This is how football has been since it began. But empires grow and fade, once Preston were a massive club, once Blackpool were a massive club, once Leeds were a massive club, once Arsenal were a massive club...
What is different about this 'super' league is the permanent right of the founders to remain in it. The abandoning of relegation.
I don't really have much against a mid week European league. Just so long as relegation exists and clubs from anywhere within the competition have the opportunity to reach the top whilst others can potentially fall from grace.
It just has to exist as a part of the pyramid, fairly.
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There’s a tonne of hypocrisy flying around about this proposal. Listening to some of the representatives from the FA, Premier League and clubs you’d think that their priority is the ‘football pyramid’ and lower league/grass roots football!!! Sickening.
None of them thought twice about breaking away to create the premier league in 1992. None of them thought twice about agreeing to the creation of the outrageous parachute scheme designed to help the ‘bigger clubs’ return to the premier league if the unthinkable happens and they’re relegated! And how many of them rushed to the aid of clubs such as Bury or Macclesfield?
The only reason the Premier clubs are pissed about this is that they’ve not been invited to the party. Does anyone truly believe that Leeds, Villa, Everton or Newcastle wouldn’t have jumped at the chance to be part of it?
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There's hypocrisy everywhere but this step is a step too far and we know that.
We've said in the past, what happens when these owners get fed up? Well, here we are. They don't like losing money. They don't mind losing other peoples money but when their windfalls investments and returns are jeopardised, they want someone else to make up the shortfall.
They clearly want an even bigger slice of the cake but in their view, the rest of football is dependant on them. Well, it isn't and the football community would rather suffer and see these owners go than compromise the spirit of competition, even if it's already tainted due to them already.
As said, it's not the clubs fault, but it's a collective consequence of allowing poor financial controls throughout the leagues stimulated by greed by those allowed to take over these clubs.
It will not be allowed to happen, they won't be able to stage games on our soil etc. So even in that case, as many have said, there has to be consequences now the horses have bolted. The excesses need to stop, players will have to learn to survive on more realistic wages. We still need smart money men in the game but who are happy to operate within stricter financial frameworks. If that means these despots who own these clubs run for the hills, then so be it. Football will be back in safer hands.
We might even get the FA Cup back!
How we get from A to B is a different matter but its a step that has to be taken
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Sky Sports are reporting that Chelsea are pulling out of the Superleague. Whether it's just what the protesters have been told to get them to disperse is still open to confirmation.
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Hopefully the house of cards will start to tumble down now.
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When the 6 crawl back to the Pl, now that the FA and the other 14 know that none of these clubs are to be trusted in the slightest, I hope they punish them by taking away their PL voting rights for three years.
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Chelsea leaving already......
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56823501
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My feeling is that it was all hogwash...... big boys just trying to make more cash... It will collapse now and they will get their extra pound of flesh
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My feeling is that it was all hogwash...... big boys just trying to make more cash... It will collapse now and they will get their extra pound of flesh
No
It was very serious.
The a Glazers and Perez will be spitting fire right now.
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Sky Sports now reporting Man City are withdrawing.
Feet of clay.
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PLEXIT. The biggest box office blooper of them all.
What next though. Who would want to be a legacy supporter of Liverpool. Or Manchester United? Knowing full well your club owners are quite happy to treat you with utter contempt.
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Could be over already. News breaking, (on TalkSPORT), that a meeting has been arranged to discuss the possibility of cancelling the ESL. No confirmation as yet.
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That was a warning.
Things need to change at the top of English football in particular.
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Man City look to follow Chelsea in pulling out. This has gone well then lads. PMSL
Regardless of them pulling out and the whole thing not started, these clubs have left a very bad taste with all this
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Arsenal and Spurs will be the last to withdraw. A PR disaster for them. Supporters visiting Spurs new ground for years to come will be quick to remind them of the greed of their owners. And the other 5 for that matter.
They know what they are .
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That was a warning.
Things need to change at the top of English football in particular.
Or else what? That people will get hit by the shrapnel when the next wheeze goes to pieces?
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American owned clubs are obviously the last to give it up. Shows where the idea came from IMO the rest probably wanted not to be left out.
Clear warning needs to be changes from government to stop any possibility in the future. Hope the fans of the big clubs push to change their clubs because I’d be embarrassed with how they go on squeezing every penny out of them
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Ed Woodward resigned as CEO of Man U.
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Since 2000, if my arithmetic is correct, only 18 teams have appeared in a Champions League final. Extending that back to 1980 only increases it to 28 teams. Since 2010, the 12 clubs plus PSG, Bayern and Dortmund have contested every final. The chances are that anyone aged 25 or younger, doesn't remember a final without them.
These clubs don't want to break away as such, they want to run their own European competition in an almost closed shop alongside their existing domestic league season. It really isn't that much different from what we have now, except for the guarantee of the closed shop. For all the talk of dreaming of reaching these heights, it never happens for almost every club. Let the big boys have their own way. The fact is, nothing much changes.
So who are we feeling sorry for? Everton? West Ham? Leicester? They didn't feel sorry for us when they started all this with the Premier League cash cow or when 1998 happened to us. They haven't been worried that we are never realistically going to be in with a chance of European qualification. When they were selling their souls for pots of money for coming anywhere above 18th in the EPL they weren't thinking about the fairness of it all. There were no cries of foul from them when parachute payments were brought in or extended. And before anyone says "what about their fans?", what about them? They aren't bothered about us either. "The likes of Doncaster" isn't a compliment. If we go into oblivion they won't even wave goodbye.
They'll all have to do what we do, manage on what they get and manage their expectations accordingly. Boo f**king hoo.
Comparisons to the formation of the Premier League are ludicrous. Anyone can be promoted to or relegated from the PL and it’s made both it and the EFL so competitive. The ESL would be an exclusive rich boys club and destroy the competitive nature of the PL with no top 4 race. 49 clubs have so far spent time in the PL.
Ok, I'll give you relegation not that its likely to affect the ESL six. Other than that, its so competitive that no-one has won it without oodles of cash. Its a rich boys club. Leicester would have been nowhere without billionaire owners, Blackburn were early rich boys before Jack Walker's demise and the only other winners are the ESL clubs in 27 out of 29 seasons.
Do Rovers have a hope of winning it in the next 20 years? No, not a chance in hell unless some Saudi price decides we're the next Man City (that's a real "ludicrous" for you). Same for probably 84 other teams in the current 92.
Man City - now there's a perfect example. 2002 they return to the Premier League and then pumped full of money, they become the next big thing. That's not Man City being given a fair crack, that's akin to financial doping. They wouldn't be where they are without the money. Competitive my arse.
Stolen from another site..... but I largely agree with this bloke.
The bit of it's that bothering me about the opposition to it is this idea that we want the clubs to actually stay.
For me the fight is to make sure they go. The cat is out of the bag and they've made their intention's clear. I don't think the six/twelve should compete in a domestic or CL/Europa fixture ever again. There is no competitive merit to playing these clubs.
This should go ahead and the 12 should go. Whatever is left of our sport is ours to re-shape. There is opportunity here for the rest of us. The one result I don't want out of this is for the grovelling, sycophantic press releases to accompany re-entry to the Premier League, as these wretched institutions twist themselves in knots trying to explain how it wasn't them all along and they never actually wanted to do it.
Thanks for the backhanded compliment MM but its actually all my own work except for a quick scroll through stats for the ECL & EPL on wikipedia.
So, someone is plagiarising my work - had to happen at some point I suppose.
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Stolen from another site..... but I largely agree with this bloke.
The bit of it's that bothering me about the opposition to it is this idea that we want the clubs to actually stay.
For me the fight is to make sure they go. The cat is out of the bag and they've made their intention's clear. I don't think the six/twelve should compete in a domestic or CL/Europa fixture ever again. There is no competitive merit to playing these clubs.
This should go ahead and the 12 should go. Whatever is left of our sport is ours to re-shape. There is opportunity here for the rest of us. The one result I don't want out of this is for the grovelling, sycophantic press releases to accompany re-entry to the Premier League, as these wretched institutions twist themselves in knots trying to explain how it wasn't them all along and they never actually wanted to do it.
Thanks for the backhanded compliment MM but its actually all my own work except for a quick scroll through stats for the ECL & EPL on wikipedia.
So, someone is plagiarising my work - had to happen at some point I suppose.
I perhaps didn't explain fully Beerseller - I stole the bit that I quoted mate - but I also agreed with what you said....
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Chelsea and Man City both pulling out. Ed Woodward resigned from Man Utd.
All come unraveling within 24 hours as I think everybody expected really.
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Many United happy fans will rejoice at this, they won’t be fully happy until the glazers sell up though.
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Apparently Agnelli gone at Juventus.
This lot can't organise a coup properly, and they thought they could run a Superleague? :silly:
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Woodward is a horrible slimy bas**rd they’ll be better run without him football wise you’d expect.
Some good May come of it after all for the game
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He prob needs to move out of his £2m Cheshire home too. It’s been attacked once and there are fans on some Utd forums asking where he lives. I guess it’s not to send him a condolences card.
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set to be called off
https://talksport.com/football/868866/european-super-league-off-founding-clubs-disband-chelsea-man-city/
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Deduct them points from start of next season
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Deduct them points from start of next season
Morally these clubs have crossed the line. That’s in no doubt. I’m unsure they have broken any Premier League rules though. That’s for the legal teams that work with the PL to sort.
Signing up to another competition is one thing, but the devil will be in the detail as to if there has been any breach of regs.
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Word of the day is 'hugger-muggery' (16th century): secretive, clandestine behaviour for the purposes of deception.
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Stolen from another site..... but I largely agree with this bloke.
The bit of it's that bothering me about the opposition to it is this idea that we want the clubs to actually stay.
For me the fight is to make sure they go. The cat is out of the bag and they've made their intention's clear. I don't think the six/twelve should compete in a domestic or CL/Europa fixture ever again. There is no competitive merit to playing these clubs.
This should go ahead and the 12 should go. Whatever is left of our sport is ours to re-shape. There is opportunity here for the rest of us. The one result I don't want out of this is for the grovelling, sycophantic press releases to accompany re-entry to the Premier League, as these wretched institutions twist themselves in knots trying to explain how it wasn't them all along and they never actually wanted to do it.
Thanks for the backhanded compliment MM but its actually all my own work except for a quick scroll through stats for the ECL & EPL on wikipedia.
So, someone is plagiarising my work - had to happen at some point I suppose.
I perhaps didn't explain fully Beerseller - I stole the bit that I quoted mate - but I also agreed with what you said....
Apologies MM, full explanation accepted. I raise a glass in your general direction.
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I’ve cast my eye over pl rules. Before even getting into the nitty gritty I reckon the pl have these clubs over a barrel for the very first part of the founding charter.
The Charter
The Chairmen’s Charter sets out our commitment to run Premier League football to the highest possible standards and with integrity.
We will ensure that our Clubs:
• Behave with the utmost good faith and honesty to each other, do not unjustly criticise or disparage one another and maintain confidences.
I’d say they are bang to rights on this.
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A lot of talk about rule L9 also. But look closely at it.
Except with the prior written approval of the Board, during the Season a Club shall not enter or play its senior men’s first team in any competition other than:
L.9.1. the UEFA Champions League;
L.9.2. the UEFA Europa League;
L.9.3. the F.A. Cup;
L.9.4. the F.A. Community Shield;
L.9.5. the Football League Cup; or
L.9.6. competitions sanctioned by the County Association of which it is a member.
Three very important words. ...during the season.....
The dirty half dozen will have planned this ESL to start when the PL season ends. So I don’t think this will be classed as a breach.
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I'm guessing there's plenty in the FA rules about conduct too.
However, I'm guessing fans of these clubs will tolerate their continued ownership as long as it doesn't effect their place in the EPL. As much as we would like fans to hound these people out of our game, it's likely to be swept under the carpet unless the much needed and urgent review, pushes them out.
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Edward Woodward has just resigned from Manchester United
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Edward Woodward has just resigned from Manchester United
. He was leaving at th3 end of the season anyway, but announcement brought forward to avoid leaks. He will be in post till end of season. He leaves amicably (with Glazers ) apparently.
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So the scab league is dead. But there simply has to be consequences for those 6 clubs now. There has to be.
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No word from manure or the bin dippers, Arse or Spurs yet.
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That was a 5 min wonder then.
Let us hope some good will come out of this shambles.
Independent regulator for a start.
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Some amendments in the pl rule book needed. It’s full of holes. Like a sieve.
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This saga hasn't ended because the club's have suddenly realised the European Super League was morally wrong or against the spirit of the game. It dies because simply put, the finanical rewards on offer weren't enough to weather the backlash received. They will try it again in the future if changes aren't brought forward.
This was a cynical and carefully plotted coup, executed in the current climate knowing the authorities would struggle to challenge this financially after still suffering the effects of the worldwide pandemic.
I'd hope the 12 clubs involved are dealt with harshly. I'd be happy with 60 points deducted for each of the next 3 seasons by their respective leagues and 4 year ban from UEFA competitions. Maybe then they can remember what it feels like to work so hard and wait so long to reach the likes of the Europa League and Champions League.
But also, this saga highlights how little control fans, authorities or even the Government have on the game. Change is needed and soon. Fans of a club should own the controlling stake in the club in a similar fashion to the 50+1 rule in the Bundesliga. It is the only way to safeguard the game and stop anything like this ever happening again.
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Well I hope I'm wrong but I imagine that these clubs will be welcomed back in as if nothing happened.
And those people in Uefa, the PL and in governments who threatened to stop it will breathe a sigh of relief that they don't actually have to do anything drastic.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnSimpsonNews/status/1384569035841490944
I was thinking during injury time tonight, as we were doing that bit of Jack Douglas defending.
I was thinking, "Could be worse. I could be a Chelsea fan. They don't have it easy. I hope their kleptocrat owner decides not to be a party to destroying the game and gives the poor cherubs something to be proud of."
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Unbelievable chat on Talksport this morning. Fans of Liverpool saying they will forgive if Henry spends more money to get more silverware.
They are all as bad as each other.
Another true scouser suggested that they let fans in for free for a season.
Jesus Christ.
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Latest from the ESL organisers on the BBC...
We're proposing a new European competition - ESL
While the European Super League may not come to fruition, the organisation still feels that the Champions League should no longer be Europe's top club competition. This statement has been released on behalf of the ESL today: “The European Super League is convinced that the current status quo of European football needs to change.
“We are proposing a new European competition because the existing system does not work. Our proposal is aimed at allowing the sport to evolve while generating resources and stability for the full football pyramid, including helping to overcome the financial difficulties experienced by the entire football community as a result of the pandemic. It would also provide materially enhanced solidarity payments to all football stakeholders.
“Despite the announced departure of the English clubs, forced to take such decisions due to the pressure put on them, we are convinced our proposal is fully aligned with European law and regulations as was demonstrated today by a court decision to protect the Super League from third party actions.”
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I think it shows how desperate Real Madrid are, that they are clinging on to this.
I don't think the new Champions league format is ideal either but not for the reasons the Superleague thinks.
There is a tension between the need since Covid to grow revenue and still keep it open and entertaining.
The group stages currently aren't entertaining enough. I don't think the proposed changes will do it either.
The problem is Real and Barca have overreached themselves and their debt is crippling them. It would probably be best for European and Spanish football if they went bust.
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I’d like to know which “court” has made this decision. Since when did courts sit so quickly ?
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I’d like to know which “court” has made this decision. Since when did courts sit so quickly ?
It was a Madrid court.
What authority they have over it, God knows.
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A Madrid court. Good grief. A court that has absolutely no authority over what happens in this country. Thankfully.
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Hypocrisy over Super League stinks
EXCELLENT article in todays Times by matthew syed - well worth read - sums it all up to me.
It may be available on line if someone coukd paste link ?
“When these guys (UEFA ETC) , what they mean, i think, is they object to greed that cuts them out of the pie”
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Unbelievable chat on Talksport this morning. Fans of Liverpool saying they will forgive if Henry spends more money to get more silverware.
They are all as bad as each other.
Another true scouser suggested that they let fans in for free for a season.
Jesus Christ.
Yep, and this is the reason why things won't change quick enough as this episode is being swept under the carpet.
Has it really accelerated the need for the conclusion of the review of football governance?
Will we be talking about this next week?
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Just read smething that sums this whole fiasco up
Down the pub, lets have a lads week end away yeah we're all up for that .............. till you get home and tell the Mrs
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Unbelievable chat on Talksport this morning. Fans of Liverpool saying they will forgive if Henry spends more money to get more silverware.
They are all as bad as each other.
Another true scouser suggested that they let fans in for free for a season.
Jesus Christ.
Yep, and this is the reason why things won't change quick enough as this episode is being swept under the carpet.
Has it really accelerated the need for the conclusion of the review of football governance?
Will we be talking about this next week?
Two things Baz,
Yes it has given the fan led review the extra shot in the arm that we've needed. Promises have been made about this for some time and it was due to start after the pandemic but now it's been pushed forward by the Secretary of State and has full parliamentary support. In the last 24 hours we've had meetings with the PM and Sir Keir Starmer. That has to be a great result.
I doubt that the average supporter will be talking about this next week, but we will. I wouldn't expect it to be everyday conversation, but then fan issues rarely are. A by product of the ESL debacle is that our arguments have been given extra weight and that's a good result. I know that the fan reps from the big six have been validated and that their clubs now know they will have to pay more attention to their views and opinions.
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Fans of a club should own the controlling stake in the club in a similar fashion to the 50+1 rule in the Bundesliga. It is the only way to safeguard the game and stop anything like this ever happening again.
I think I'm right in saying that the German 50+1 model came about because the German clubs were previously 100% fan-owned and were desperate for private investment so that they could be more competitive in Europe, so coming from completely the opposite angle.
Although fan ownership is a worthy ideal, where is the money going to come from ? - if you say that Liverpool FC are now worth £2 billion (and that's a conservative figure), then they would need to find 400,000 fans to each invest £5,000 or 2 million fans to invest £1,000.
I think the more achievable option is for more fan involvement in the governance of clubs through representation on the board etc.
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Unbelievable chat on Talksport this morning. Fans of Liverpool saying they will forgive if Henry spends more money to get more silverware.
They are all as bad as each other.
Another true scouser suggested that they let fans in for free for a season.
Jesus Christ.
Yep, and this is the reason why things won't change quick enough as this episode is being swept under the carpet.
Has it really accelerated the need for the conclusion of the review of football governance?
Will we be talking about this next week?
Two things Baz,
Yes it has given the fan led review the extra shot in the arm that we've needed. Promises have been made about this for some time and it was due to start after the pandemic but now it's been pushed forward by the Secretary of State and has full parliamentary support. In the last 24 hours we've had meetings with the PM and Sir Keir Starmer. That has to be a great result.
I doubt that the average supporter will be talking about this next week, but we will. I wouldn't expect it to be everyday conversation, but then fan issues rarely are. A by product of the ESL debacle is that our arguments have been given extra weight and that's a good result. I know that the fan reps from the big six have been validated and that their clubs now know they will have to pay more attention to their views and opinions.
Cheers Martin,
When can we expect some recommendations to come out to give the wider football community something to chew on?
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A British Superleague involving Rangers and Celtic is being mooted now, their hypocrisy knows no bounds
https://talksport.com/football/869708/british-super-league-plans-rangers-celtic-join-premier-league/
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One thing from this is how it’s increasingly obvious the absolute financial mess the big two in Spain are in. Particularly with little likelihood of the usual state bailouts, given the impact of Covid. Why the Premier League six joined this when as it stands they may dominate Europe for a decade, I have no idea. Well, unless immediate money really is all that it’s about...
On the way we could do the German model here, I liked the suggestion from Ed Vasey that season ticket holders have ‘right of veto’ over certain matters. Building on that idea, you could get a ‘B class’ share with your purchase of a season ticket, that carries nominal capital value (£1). The ownership of the club in real terms would barely change and private investment could flow, but those B shares could create a supermajority on certain issues (specified in law) that are deemed to potentially impact the fans and community grounding of the club (change of name, ground move, relocation, entering a new competition etc).
Matt
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A British Superleague involving Rangers and Celtic is being mooted now, their hypocrisy knows no bounds
https://talksport.com/football/869708/british-super-league-plans-rangers-celtic-join-premier-league/
If this happens the Scottish fa should ban any of them for playing for their national side also.
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A British Superleague involving Rangers and Celtic is being mooted now, their hypocrisy knows no bounds
https://talksport.com/football/869708/british-super-league-plans-rangers-celtic-join-premier-league/
If this happens the Scottish fa should ban any of them for playing for their national side also.
If it happens I suppose it would mean that fans at Scottish league matches wouldn’t have to worry about being close to another fan, thus reducing the COVID transmission risks.
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A British super League has some merit as it does make competition stronger and more diverse. But the pros and cons of it don't differ to a European one. The two big clubs would be giants in this though, they're huge.
I can't see how the snp would ever allow it either....
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The Liverpool owner’s video statement was gold. English fans - the club in the blood*. It’s not an American franchise. It has actual, visceral history, heartbreak, triumph, woven into the land around it. From full on joy to the abject downer at 4.45pm on a Saturday, or 9.15pm on a Tuesday...
You don’t take that away easily, if ever.
Jog on, and take your mustard home. Not needed here.
* Applicable to any club, even Fleetwood.