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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: sheffield exile1 on April 20, 2021, 09:25:47 pm
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To me Loliko. Feji are at best uninspiring average league 1 strikers/attackers or whatever, we lack a midfielder to rival Whiteman, jury is out on Bostock is he here now Moore is gone to move on or graft, and who will be left when Arsenal,Brighton, Southampton etc, call back loanees. Lets face it. This season is now officially dead. Butler or the new man needs another squad for 2021-22. We are now in a better position than recent seasons though, as in time to get someone in, recruit, use new loans and gel a squad hopefully for 2021-22 to encourage season ticket sales for crowds re-emerging... Lets look positively upwards and write off what's left of this disaster..after that pitiful display...
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Has to be another .. Butler has had enough time to show us something,.. anything. Unfortunately he has fallen well short. Sooner the new guy comes in the better to start reshaping and building a competitive side. Because right now I see no evidence of us being remotely competitive
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The young ones need to be playing the next 5 games, .... or terminate their contracts....
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The young ones need to be playing the next 5 games, .... or terminate their contracts....
My thoughts exactly. Lets see what the class of 92 DRFC style comes such as Greaves, Horton etc. Once upon a time we has Snodin's Harle Lister et al might be time for more of that now this season is truly over.
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Not forgetting Rufus and Noteman!
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How do the club reinvigorate the fan base after this latest capitulation, we’ve had our fair share of them recently, Dickov needing a point from 7 games in the Championship, Ferguson total capitulation in L1 to get us relegated, then the capitulation depriving us of the L2 title. I don’t know about anyone else but I feel totally deflated
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So do I Filo. The season can’t end soon enough. But, when the new man comes in and starts to, hopefully, rebuild, my feelings will change and by August, I will be raring to go again. Full of optimism.
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I’m out of here!
Will keep an eye on the scores, and hope for the best, but I have a retirement plan that ill affords me the luxury of feeling the nice highs and the worst of lows...
Be back to watch live games in 5 years
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I wonder if any of the prospective manager applicants watched that tonight, don't have nightmares!
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Applications being withdrawn in the morning after seeing the task they have on their hands.
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no joke that , massive rebuild required and some sort of of playing strategy/ philosophy putting in place.
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I bet there's one or two having serious doubt's after watching that car crash of a performance last night.
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My main concern is that 6? of those players have been offered contracts. I’m struggling to make a case for more than 2. Like has been suggested, play the youngsters now, see what they can do and back a new manager (sooner rather than later) by giving him funds to build his own squad ready for pre- season.
I don’t object to having a couple of quality loan players,especially if there is a chance of signing them at the end, but really dont like the idea of making up the squad with 6/7 loanees.
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Flip side for any potential new manager after watching last night is that they would be thinking they can’t possibly do any worse.
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I would imagine any potential manager worth their salt will be relishing the prospect of a blank canvass to get all the players they want in (within budget of course)
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yes , we need someone with realistic list of transfer targets at the end if this season as well as game plan in mind.
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I see John-Jules as done a Taylor Richards and posted his goal on twitter after an abject performance, it smacks of “f**k the team, look at me”
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I’m out of here!
Will keep an eye on the scores, and hope for the best, but I have a retirement plan that ill affords me the luxury of feeling the nice highs and the worst of lows...
Be back to watch live games in 5 years
Is that a promise?
It is the second time (at least) you've informed us of your departure. Try the stairs out instead of the revolving door this time.....please. Only room for true supporters.
We've been through worse than this. A blank canvas come the end of this season. Let's hope we're soon able to safely watch our team live.
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I see John-Jules as done a Taylor Richards and posted his goal on twitter after an abject performance, it smacks of “f**k the team, look at me”
2 weeks ago we lost at Bristol Rovers with an equally abject performance, after which Copps posted on LinkedIn “3 to go for 100 career goals”. I’ve not seen any criticism of that on here but I have seen a lot for lads half his age who aren’t even contracted to the club.
Edit - I’m playing devils advocate here rather than criticising Copps, I couldn’t care less what players post on social media before or after matches as long as they are committed during the game.
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Do we know for definite that contracts were offered to certain players
Agree that we need to play the young players with some heart and ambition to see Rovers win rather than as a payday
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I’m out of here!
Will keep an eye on the scores, and hope for the best, but I have a retirement plan that ill affords me the luxury of feeling the nice highs and the worst of lows...
Be back to watch live games in 5 years
Is that a promise?
It is the second time (at least) you've informed us of your departure. Try the stairs out instead of the revolving door this time.....please. Only room for true supporters.
We've been through worse than this. A blank canvas come the end of this season. Let's hope we're soon able to safely watch our team live.
Caughtcha!
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The problem is we seem to be having these massive rebuilds every season
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I see John-Jules as done a Taylor Richards and posted his goal on twitter after an abject performance, it smacks of “f**k the team, look at me”
No it really doesn't. It a young player who is probably buzzing to have scored his first goal in months after his injury, keen to showcase his talents to a large Arsenal fan base online and good on him why the hell not. If players score goals for us they have earned the right to share the clip of it online. There's literally absolutely nothing wrong with it. Nor was there with TR.
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What the hell do expect JJ to do after his goal .He is a teenager celebrating his talent which over thirty minutes outshone everyone in application and quality .
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Let’s be honest here lads.
Some people must trawl through twitter every day to try and find something to moan about and put a post on here about it too.
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There is imo a total overreaction to the lack of ability of some of our players.
The same players who are not performing now were performing earlier in the season.
So that suggests to me that they are good players capable of performing at League 1 level and as a team achieving a top 4 position in the league over half a season.
Something has gone badly wrong over the last 11/12 weeks and you can question the mental strength of some of those players maybe but ability is permanent so something else has stopped them performing and it is not ability imo.
So with the right manager at the helm I am sure next season he can get those players performing to their optimum on a consistent basis.
So personally I would like to see most of our out of contract players sign new contracts.
Gomes and Lokilo are not good enough imo but all the others i think are worth persevering with.
Like to see just 3 quality loans next season absolutely no more than 4
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There is imo a total overreaction to the lack of ability of some of our players.
The same players who are not performing now were performing earlier in the season.
So that suggests to me that they are good players capable of performing at League 1 level and as a team achieving a top 4 position in the league over half a season.
Something has gone badly wrong over the last 11/12 weeks and you can question the mental strength of some of those players maybe but ability is permanent so something else has stopped them performing and it is not ability imo.
So with the right manager at the helm I am sure next season he can get those players performing to their optimum on a consistent basis.
So personally I would like to see most of our out of contract players sign new contracts.
Gomes and Lokilo are not good enough imo but all the others i think are worth persevering with.
Like to see just 3 quality loans next season absolutely no more than 4
Wright not good enough; Halliday not good enough; James good enough, but looks like his head's been turned.
Bogle, Bostock, and Fej not good enough, but we're stuck with them for next season. Let's just hope they improve.
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There is imo a total overreaction to the lack of ability of some of our players.
The same players who are not performing now were performing earlier in the season.
So that suggests to me that they are good players capable of performing at League 1 level and as a team achieving a top 4 position in the league over half a season.
Something has gone badly wrong over the last 11/12 weeks and you can question the mental strength of some of those players maybe but ability is permanent so something else has stopped them performing and it is not ability imo.
So with the right manager at the helm I am sure next season he can get those players performing to their optimum on a consistent basis.
So personally I would like to see most of our out of contract players sign new contracts.
Gomes and Lokilo are not good enough imo but all the others i think are worth persevering with.
Like to see just 3 quality loans next season absolutely no more than 4
Wright not good enough; Halliday not good enough; James good enough, but looks like his head's been turned.
Bogle, Bostock, and Fej not good enough, but we're stuck with them for next season. Let's just hope they improve.
SS Wright and Halliday were getting rave reviews & MOM on this forum in several matches earlier in the season.
They haven’t suddenly become poor players. Yes their form has dropped off but that’s due to lack of confidence and leadership.
DM had his head turned. He took his eye off the ball and results immediately nose dived.
AB hasn’t been able to arrest the slump apart from the honeymoon of his 1st 2 games in the hot seat.
The team have lost our way, direction and confidence. No disrespect to AB as he was thrown in at the deep end and even with all his best efforts hasn’t been able to bring things together and get the team gelling.
Yes the players are partly responsible as they are the ones who step over the white line but losing becomes a habit and 50% of the game is self belief and confidence.
Only one person to blame for this debacle and it’s DM
Having said that, even with what he did, which I find difficult to stomach, i do obviously wish him a speedy recovery from his illness.
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Don’t get the hate for Fej he’s a decent finisher we just don’t play for him and he’s still got 14 off goals. Agree with Campsall that the uselessness of the players has been blown out of proportion in the bad run. Good players look like Sunday league when confidence goes.
Also on Wright earlier in the season him and Anderson were talked about as the best pairing in the division. Now they can’t play together?
That’s said I’m still all for a good clear out. I think this is such a bad run, born of poor attitudes IMO, that a cleanse is needed to move on next year. Some of the players we let go might go on to much better things but it doesn’t mean it’s the wrong decision for us to move on
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Mentality is a massive part of the game and I dont think the players are poor but, the form since Fleetwood away shows me that these players arent mentally tough enough to go the distance to reach silverware at the end of it. It also leaves me wondering if these players will ever get an opportunity to play a big part in a promotion chasing team again in their careers like they have thrown down the pan this season. Mentality to not focus on your next contract or your next move and concentrate on what you are currently being paid to do. Mentality to not let the loss of a manager affect your performance. Not one player in that squad can say that their whole attention has been on imrpoving on the training pitch and taking it into a matchday. And for those reasons barring Anderson they can all go for me.
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I think application and drive are far more important than talent.
Far too many have the ability and aren’t trying to the same level as earlier in the season.
If we could rate someone out of 10. 10 being max potential for League 1:
Player A) 10 potential. Doesn’t seem to care most of the time so scores 5 most games with the odd 10 thrown in.
Player B) 7 potential. Gives his absolute best and would die sooner than quit. Scores 7 every game.
We need more Player B’s in our side next season. Moments of brilliance vs a season of consistency is not a tough choice in my eyes.
More Alfie May and less John Bostock for me.
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I think personally, with a manager who can get the best out of players, John Bostock, with better & more focused players around him, could be an integral part of the team next season. Tom Anderson & Wright were excellent earlier in the season & are definitely worth another go next season also. Apart from James, who may well be on his way, & maybe Fej, who has scored 14 in a very uncreative team to be fair, & we all know strikers don't grow on trees, as for the rest, good riddance.
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At the beginning of the season we won quite a few games against the run of play , fluked a few and deserved a few....at no point did we dominate consistently, and I think a lot on here could see the shitty way we managed to win but was happy all the same, ...of course 3 points is 3 points no matter how it’s achieved.......but the writing was always on the wall...we saw teams absolutely batter us and get nothing .....and I think we all hoped that it would come good and we would be a consistently good team...
Alas, here we are now , the wheels that were wonky managed to fall off and we have players who can’t hide the fact that they are very one dimensional plan A only types.
We need 3 new defenders, fast and big and hungry
We need 3-4 midfielders who can physically dominate and get dirty
Keep Jones and persevere that he improves game on game
Get the young lads either on the pitch or out the club
Work hard with Bogle and Fej in training ....on paper they look formidable and I wouldn't want them playing against us...
2-3 loans to add something different, but not loans you suddenly become reliant on for the answers
Get a manager that is a bloody miracle worker
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I used to hold Wright in the highest regard. Started umpteen threads about him after a string of stellar performances but I reckon he must have been at fault for 6 goals this season?
I think a fresh start will do us both the world of good. He seems to have regressed.
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I want to see Greaves next to Bostock, I think it'll free him up and give us more bite and aggression in midfield.
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I think application and drive are far more important than talent.
Far too many have the ability and aren’t trying to the same level as earlier in the season.
If we could rate someone out of 10. 10 being max potential for League 1:
Player A) 10 potential. Doesn’t seem to care most of the time so scores 5 most games with the odd 10 thrown in.
Player B) 7 potential. Gives his absolute best and would die sooner than quit. Scores 7 every game.
We need more Player B’s in our side next season. Moments of brilliance vs a season of consistency is not a tough choice in my eyes.
More Alfie May and less John Bostock for me.
If you have a team full of '7's then over a season that is where you will finish. Average mid-table.
Greg Blundell is a prime example here. Fan favourite, great trier, brilliant in League 2 - bang average in League 1.
As others have put its up to the manager to realise the potential of those 10's. That where they make the difference. Or get found out in some cases if they are only a 7.
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At the beginning of the season we won quite a few games against the run of play , fluked a few and deserved a few....at no point did we dominate consistently, and I think a lot on here could see the shitty way we managed to win but was happy all the same, ...of course 3 points is 3 points no matter how it’s achieved.......but the writing was always on the wall...we saw teams absolutely batter us and get nothing .....and I think we all hoped that it would come good and we would be a consistently good team...
Alas, here we are now , the wheels that were wonky managed to fall off and we have players who can’t hide the fact that they are very one dimensional plan A only types.
We need 3 new defenders, fast and big and hungry
We need 3-4 midfielders who can physically dominate and get dirty
Keep Jones and persevere that he improves game on game
Get the young lads either on the pitch or out the club
Work hard with Bogle and Fej in training ....on paper they look formidable and I wouldn't want them playing against us...
2-3 loans to add something different, but not loans you suddenly become reliant on for the answers
Get a manager that is a bloody miracle worker
In no way would I call Bogle formidable, waist of space in my view
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Fej's a decent striker but I would add someone like Joe Piggott or Dion Charles into the ranks. Goalkeeper-wise, I'd look to have Jones as #1 but offer Luke Daniels or Frank Fielding something, they offer good experience and would keep Louis Jones on his toes.
All 4 I believe are out of contract.
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At the beginning of the season we won quite a few games against the run of play , fluked a few and deserved a few....at no point did we dominate consistently, and I think a lot on here could see the shitty way we managed to win but was happy all the same, ...of course 3 points is 3 points no matter how it’s achieved.......but the writing was always on the wall...we saw teams absolutely batter us and get nothing .....and I think we all hoped that it would come good and we would be a consistently good team...
Alas, here we are now , the wheels that were wonky managed to fall off and we have players who can’t hide the fact that they are very one dimensional plan A only types.
We need 3 new defenders, fast and big and hungry
We need 3-4 midfielders who can physically dominate and get dirty
Keep Jones and persevere that he improves game on game
Get the young lads either on the pitch or out the club
Work hard with Bogle and Fej in training ....on paper they look formidable and I wouldn't want them playing against us...
2-3 loans to add something different, but not loans you suddenly become reliant on for the answers
Get a manager that is a bloody miracle worker
In no way would I call Bogle formidable, waist of space in my view
We haven’t seen the best of him, just a guy getting very little ball from crap support....I’ve seen him holding the ball up well, but having no one to lay it off to has been the problem !
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Don’t get the hate for Fej he’s a decent finisher we just don’t play for him...
This. Take out the anomaly that is John Marquis' phenomenal record, and few have scored more for us in the third tier than Okenabirhie has this season.... Wilks in 2018-19, Williams in 2015-16, Paynter in a title-winning team in 2012-13, and Heffernan (thanks to 10 goals in the JPT) in 2006-07.
Would be a mistake to let him go, as I think the right set-up could bring even more out of him.
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2007-08, the year we won at Wembley, our top league scorers were Hayter, Heffernan and Price, who scored 7 each, with a midfield of Stock, Wellens, Copps and Green behind them. Fejiri is unconventional, but he is a fairly good striker.
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Don’t get the hate for Fej he’s a decent finisher we just don’t play for him...
This. Take out the anomaly that is John Marquis' phenomenal record, and few have scored more for us in the third tier than Okenabirhie has this season.... Wilks in 2018-19, Williams in 2015-16, Paynter in a title-winning team in 2012-13, and Heffernan (thanks to 10 goals in the JPT) in 2006-07.
Would be a mistake to let him go, as I think the right set-up could bring even more out of him.
Goals record when playing up front per 90.
Overall
Okenabirhie - 0.38
Marquis - 0.35
18/19
Okenabirhie - 0.43
Marquis - 0.43
19/20
Okenabirhie - 0.39
Marquis - 0.2
20/21
Okenabirhie - 0.33
Marquis - 0.43
Play him up front and have other players in the team who can score to take the pressure off him and he'll get 15+. He will have off games, so did Marquis but as long as midfielders, full backs, wingers, etc are getting a handful each season then we should be good.
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We don’t do him any favours asking him to play with his back to goal. It’s the worst part of his game. We are literally playing to his weakness. The poor guy doesn’t get a kick when we do this.
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2007-08, the year we won at Wembley, our top league scorers were Hayter, Heffernan and Price, who scored 7 each, with a midfield of Stock, Wellens, Copps and Green behind them. Fejiri is unconventional, but he is a fairly good striker.
What a team that was. The mention of Heffs has conjured up the headbutt inc that day at Roots Hall which me and my lad and brother were there for.
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I used to hold Wright in the highest regard. Started umpteen threads about him after a string of stellar performances but I reckon he must have been at fault for 6 goals this season?
I think a fresh start will do us both the world of good. He seems to have regressed.
Personally I think he has struggled lately I agree, but earlier in the season we were getting battered but winning games both he & Anderson were rocks at the back, just think it would be a mistake to split their partnership, with a new manager & a more settled team they would come a good again I'm sure.
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We don’t do him any favours asking him to play with his back to goal. It’s the worst part of his game. We are literally playing to his weakness. The poor guy doesn’t get a kick when we do this.
Agreed, it's mind boggling when we set up this way.
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I would imagine any potential manager worth their salt will be relishing the prospect of a blank canvass to get all the players they want in (within budget of course)
At the end of the day we are a well run club thats got a track record for giving managers time and also backing them in January transfer windows. We will be a very attractive proposition to a lot of managers id think. Make no mistake it will be a tough season next year imo with the amount of new players we will need to sign. Let's just hope we will have fans back.
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We don’t do him any favours asking him to play with his back to goal. It’s the worst part of his game. We are literally playing to his weakness. The poor guy doesn’t get a kick when we do this.
Agreed, it's mind boggling when we set up this way.
I don’t think it’s by design. When we play well he has support close by and we have control higher up the pitch. When we play not so well, the gap between the midfield players and him becomes too large and when he’s isolated he’s not the best. I have always really liked him though.
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The problem is the defence
a solid defence will win you more games than you lose (George Graham )
Wright is not a centre half ,playing at full back shows he lacking look at the last game
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There is imo a total overreaction to the lack of ability of some of our players.
The same players who are not performing now were performing earlier in the season.
So that suggests to me that they are good players capable of performing at League 1 level and as a team achieving a top 4 position in the league over half a season.
Something has gone badly wrong over the last 11/12 weeks and you can question the mental strength of some of those players maybe but ability is permanent so something else has stopped them performing and it is not ability imo.
So with the right manager at the helm I am sure next season he can get those players performing to their optimum on a consistent basis.
So personally I would like to see most of our out of contract players sign new contracts.
Gomes and Lokilo are not good enough imo but all the others i think are worth persevering with.
Like to see just 3 quality loans next season absolutely no more than 4
Wright not good enough; Halliday not good enough; James good enough, but looks like his head's been turned.
Bogle, Bostock, and Fej not good enough, but we're stuck with them for next season. Let's just hope they improve.
Wright & Halliday not good enough for League One?
Seriously? Sorry, I have to challenge that. They are absolutely good enough and have put in some excellent performances over the last 2 seasons. The fact that that they might have put in a string of poor performances does not make them poor players or that they are not up to it. Players, like you and I in our jobs of work, have good days and bad days. As the saying goes, "form is temporary, class is permanent". I can recall some outstanding performances from the both of these players over the last two seasons, they are very good players who don't forget are still learning their trade.
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I had big concerns about Wright and his injuries, thankfully he has had a (mainly) injury free season. He has also put in some excellent performances, however lately he has been below par, not sure if his head has been turned but on current form he maybe in need for fresh pastures.
Halliday has been one of our most consistent players this season. I agree he has struggled against a few of the top wingers, however the way we played he received no support from our winger. Definitely one I’d keep.
Les mentioned splitting up Anderson and Wright, our best pairing has been Anderson and Butler though, love to see CJ have a run at Centre Half
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There is imo a total overreaction to the lack of ability of some of our players.
The same players who are not performing now were performing earlier in the season.
So that suggests to me that they are good players capable of performing at League 1 level and as a team achieving a top 4 position in the league over half a season.
Something has gone badly wrong over the last 11/12 weeks and you can question the mental strength of some of those players maybe but ability is permanent so something else has stopped them performing and it is not ability imo.
So with the right manager at the helm I am sure next season he can get those players performing to their optimum on a consistent basis.
So personally I would like to see most of our out of contract players sign new contracts.
Gomes and Lokilo are not good enough imo but all the others i think are worth persevering with.
Like to see just 3 quality loans next season absolutely no more than 4
Wright not good enough; Halliday not good enough; James good enough, but looks like his head's been turned.
Bogle, Bostock, and Fej not good enough, but we're stuck with them for next season. Let's just hope they improve.
Wright & Halliday not good enough for League One?
Seriously? Sorry, I have to challenge that. They are absolutely good enough and have put in some excellent performances over the last 2 seasons. The fact that that they might have put in a string of poor performances does not make them poor players or that they are not up to it. Players, like you and I in our jobs of work, have good days and bad days. As the saying goes, "form is temporary, class is permanent". I can recall some outstanding performances from the both of these players over the last two seasons, they are very good players who don't forget are still learning their trade.
ND, Halliday is quite decent going forward, but as a right back he's too easily skinned by fast wingers, and I honestly believe some opposition managers have been targeting him.
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Won't lose sleep if Halliday leaves. Opposition managers might do mind.
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Our defensive unit is dreadful. If I said that so far this season we have managed to keep 8 clean sheets and in 1997/98 - the worst season in our entire history - we had kept 7 clean sheets by the same point, you understand how bad this group have been.
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It’s not a question of who is good enough or not for next season, but should I or shouldn’t I buy another season ticket? Currently this shower of shite are not enticing me to buy one
COYR
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So you work for an organisation/firm/employer. Your old manager walks out, an interim comes in and unfortunately it doesn't work so the organisation invite applications for the post. Its very likely he is on I Follow today to assess his plans/future. Do you a) try your best to impress, do your best to be noticed because you want to enhance your career? b) Put in an "I can't be arsed, its nearly the end of the season, would be on a Spanish beach if I could" don't give a toss? £10 voucher to the winner!
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So you work for an organisation/firm/employer. Your old manager walks out, an interim comes in and unfortunately it doesn't work so the organisation invite applications for the post. Its very likely he is on I Follow today to assess his plans/future. Do you a) try your best to impress, do your best to be noticed because you want to enhance your career? b) Put in an "I can't be arsed, its nearly the end of the season, would be on a Spanish beach if I could" don't give a toss? £10 voucher to the winner!
It’s very likely if any potential manager watched that, they would be withdrawing their application
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Forgot to also say- I am a loan player, so this doesn't really matter either way tough on the contracted lads, but, hey that's football!! ((and I will remove Sims from this criticism today)
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I am seriously worried about next season.
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If we want to progress and have any chance of promotion next season we need a new right back and a strong CB.
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I am seriously worried about next season.
You’re not the only one, this is a monumental job for the new man
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So are you happy with the rest of the team then.
You will go down in my estimation if you answer yes.
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I’ll be shocked if this mess doesn’t bleed into next season. The new players and manager will be coming into a confidence vacuum. It’s an utter mess.
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Backbone starts at the back. Would think the unthinkable with the entire defensive unit. Nobody has been blameless there this season.
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I have never seen a backbone on the front mate lol
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I think the main issues are goalkeeper, central midfield and up front... that's quite fundamental, but even though we are not great defensively, we look bereft of any idea going forward on today's showing.
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So are you happy with the rest of the team then.
You will go down in my estimation if you answer yes.
I was replying to a post about Wright and Halliday but I am struggling to make a case for any of those who played today with the exception of maybe Jones, Anderson and Butler if he is to carry on playing. It looks like James might want away if not I would keep him too.
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Our defensive unit is dreadful. If I said that so far this season we have managed to keep 8 clean sheets and in 1997/98 - the worst season in our entire history - we had kept 7 clean sheets by the same point, you understand how bad this group have been.
CBcb i like clean sheets of course because you don’t lose football matches when you don’t concede.
Having said the obvious with that statement i do think you are a little bit “over the top” shall we say with us not keeping too many this season.
We didn’t keep many clean sheets earlier in the season but we were winning matches by scoring goals.
Our problem imo is the opposite to your view in that the goals scored have virtually dried up and that puts an awful lot of pressure on the team knowing they dare not concede.
Would you prefer to win 1-0 keeping a clean sheet or win 3-1
I know which i would prefer as much as i like clean sheets ( and as a goalkeeper in my youth ) I LIKED CLEAN SHEETS.
Goals win football matches. Clean sheets mean you don’t lose football matches.
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IMO the defensive problem we have had in the 2nd half of the season is a team problem not the back 4
We have a very decent back 4 for a league 1 team imo.
Halliday, Wright, Anderson, Butler, John and James are all very competent players at this level.
Defending is the job of all 11 players on the pitch. Good teams defend from the front.
Your strikers chasing across the oppositions back line, midfielders pressing high up the pitch, closing players down defensive midfield and working hard all over the pitch to stop the opposition playing their game.
We were doing that in the first half of the season and we have stopped doing it in the 2nd half.
Yes we have had exceptions for half a game every now and then but we have had no consistent game plan since we beat Oxford at home in January.
The players are now so used to losing that confidence is rock bottom, there is no belief in themselves as individuals or as a team unit.
It is quite simple, we have fallen apart as a team not because we do not have good players but because of lack of belief in what they are doing when they cross that white line.
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IMO the defensive problem we have had in the 2nd half of the season is a team problem not the back 4
We have a very decent back 4 for a league 1 team imo.
Halliday, Wright, Anderson, Butler, John & James are all very competent players at this level.
Defending is the job of all 11 players on the pitch. Good teams defend from the front.
Your strikers chasing across the oppositions back line, midfielders pressing high up the pitch, closing players down defensive midfield and working hard all over the pitch to stop the opposition playing their game.
We were doing that in the first half of the season and we have stopped doing it in the 2nd half.
Yes we have had exceptions for half a game every now and then but we have had no consistent game plan since we beat Oxford at home in January.
The players are now so used to losing that confidence is rock bottom, there is no belief in themselves as individuals or as a team unit.
It’s quite simple, we have fallen apart as a team not because we don’t have good players but because of a belief in what they are doing when they cross that white line.
There’s a lot of truth in that in my opinion.
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To be fair Campsall, goals only win matches if you outscore the opposition.
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To be fair Campsall, goals only win matches if you outscore the opposition.
Well yes of course Idler.
I am not advocating we play like Bremner or Keegan played and try to out score the opposition because you will only ever get limited success playing that way. ( Having said that i did enjoy watching Bremner’s team, it was entertaining )
No CBcb is quite correct in wanting us to keep clean sheets but it’s not the be all and end all.
If you have a team who can score goals consistently then conceding an average of 1 goal every match is likely to achieve a minimum of a top 6 place and a very good chance of top 2
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Since whiteman left we’ve got no defensive midfielder, no shield. That’s why we are so poor defensively. We’re having to play deeper as a result
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We have no steel in midfield. No Doolan,Ravenhill or even Keegan. We are too nice and lightweight.
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We have no steel in midfield. No Doolan,Ravenhill or even Keegan. We are too nice and lightweight.
Mentally as much as physically.
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Exactly. Chris Brown was saying on the podcast that as a young lad he learned a lot from playing in the Rovers team. He said that you knew that the likes of Steve Foster and Tim Ryan would run through a brick wall for the team.
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Of course it is a team game, but just think of all the piss weak goals we have conceded from stupid penalties, powder puff tackles, simple crosses in to the box, high balls put in to the keeper, corners. These are defensive lapses. Time and time again.
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Todays goal was due to Wright being attached by bungee cord to the oppositions goal post, the lad went past him that easy
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It’s not a question of who is good enough or not for next season, but should I or shouldn’t I buy another season ticket? Currently this shower of shite are not enticing me to buy one
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The majority of this shower, as you put it, wont be here next season
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Of course it is a team game, but just think of all the piss weak goals we have conceded from stupid penalties, powder puff tackles, simple crosses in to the box, high balls put in to the keeper, corners. These are defensive lapses. Time and time again.
But surely we should learn from these ‘mistakes/lapses/errors’ individually and as a team