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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Branton Rover on April 28, 2021, 09:30:56 pm
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Richie Wellens - won promotion and a trophy
Graeme Jones - top flight coaching experience
Neil Harris. - playoff winning manager
Paul Tisdale. - promotion winning manager
Micky Mellon. - currently in work & previously promotion winner
Simon Weaver - in employment won Conference playoff
Andy Butler. - to be interviewed
A-another?
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Boothroyd
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Who ever comes in, to overcome current supporter disappointment and dissatisfaction at the on pitch slump, they will need some serious backing. I'm sure it'll be same old same old though as its been so successful........oh hang on
Sorry I wish who ever gets the best if course, just wanting to have a season better than this one from start to end with a promotion and new challenge in the championship
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Buckingham
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Buckingham ,Wellens and Jones all on there!
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Heckingbottom
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Just read on sky sports heckingbottom is one of 5 candidates for Blades job and he’s favourite with bookies too.
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Powell
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Des Buckingham is an exciting prospect. He may not be a household name when it comes to football management in the uk, but during his time at Oxford , he helped 24 youth players make the transition to professional contracts. He also worked under the stewardship of Chris Wilder. His managerial win rate is 54%. His achievements with u23 sides in NZ is well documented. He quite literally transformed large parts of the NZ professional game.
He has a masters degree and is a qualified pilot. He has youth on his Side with a good level of maturity. If he is in the running, and makes the final cut, he will be a strong contender I think. I’m guessing it would mean a move back to uk though as last I can see, he was managing in Melbourne. If he wants a move back to the uk, this would be a good move for him.
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Des Buckingham is an exciting prospect. He may not be a household name when it comes to football management in the uk, but during his time at Oxford , he helped 24 youth players make the transition to professional contracts. He also worked under the stewardship of Chris Wilder. His managerial win rate is 54%. His achievements with u23 sides in NZ is well documented. He quite literally transformed large parts of the NZ professional game.
He has a masters degree and is a qualified pilot. He has youth on his Side with a good level of maturity. If he is in the running, and makes the final cut, he will be a strong contender I think. I’m guessing it would mean a move back to uk though as last I can see, he was managing in Melbourne. If he wants a move back to the uk, this would be a good move for him.
Agree with this.
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Des Buckingham is an exciting prospect. He may not be a household name when it comes to football management in the uk, but during his time at Oxford , he helped 24 youth players make the transition to professional contracts. He also worked under the stewardship of Chris Wilder. His managerial win rate is 54%. His achievements with u23 sides in NZ is well documented. He quite literally transformed large parts of the NZ professional game.
He has a masters degree and is a qualified pilot. He has youth on his Side with a good level of maturity. If he is in the running, and makes the final cut, he will be a strong contender I think. I’m guessing it would mean a move back to uk though as last I can see, he was managing in Melbourne. If he wants a move back to the uk, this would be a good move for him.
He would be my choice from realistic candidates. Could we keep hold of him though?
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Des Buckingham is an exciting prospect. He may not be a household name when it comes to football management in the uk, but during his time at Oxford , he helped 24 youth players make the transition to professional contracts. He also worked under the stewardship of Chris Wilder. His managerial win rate is 54%. His achievements with u23 sides in NZ is well documented. He quite literally transformed large parts of the NZ professional game.
He has a masters degree and is a qualified pilot. He has youth on his Side with a good level of maturity. If he is in the running, and makes the final cut, he will be a strong contender I think. I’m guessing it would mean a move back to uk though as last I can see, he was managing in Melbourne. If he wants a move back to the uk, this would be a good move for him.
He would be my choice from realistic candidates. Could we keep hold of him though?
Whether we can keep hold of somebody shouldn't be a criteria as to them getting the job.
It isn't ideal when your manager leaves for another team but the fact that DM,GM,Saunders etc all were cherry picked shows that the club are doing well when it comes to managerial decisions. I'd be far more concerned if they weren't being cherry picked.
It shows that they're having a reasonable amount of success and at the end of the day, we are a league one team. Good Managers will come and go just like good players will. Part and parcel of the game.
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Buckingham is young enough to be able to commit to a reasonable contract length. I can’t imagine his expectations would need managing too much in regards to wages. I can’t imagine Melbourne pay a kings ransom.
Then there is his personal circumstance, which I know nothing about at all. But a move back to uk could fit with his plans ?
He would come to Rovers with little or no baggage. Fresh, young, keen, but with enough pedigree to justify giving him a go. A real chance to make a good name for himself as a manager in the EFL.
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Des Buckingham is an exciting prospect. He may not be a household name when it comes to football management in the uk, but during his time at Oxford , he helped 24 youth players make the transition to professional contracts. He also worked under the stewardship of Chris Wilder. His managerial win rate is 54%. His achievements with u23 sides in NZ is well documented. He quite literally transformed large parts of the NZ professional game.
He has a masters degree and is a qualified pilot. He has youth on his Side with a good level of maturity. If he is in the running, and makes the final cut, he will be a strong contender I think. I’m guessing it would mean a move back to uk though as last I can see, he was managing in Melbourne. If he wants a move back to the uk, this would be a good move for him.
He would be my choice from realistic candidates. Could we keep hold of him though?
As SM has alluded to, the next manager will have a clause attached to their contract I suspect, which will prevent premature departures without consequences. And that will be written into any offer from the outset. To prevent any future manager doing a “Moore”.
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Sorry but money talks
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I’m happy with Buckingham that’s if he’s actually applied
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Hasn't he been linked with Palace?
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Nobody has mentioned Jason tindall ex Bournemouth, to me seems potentially a logical fit?
Another perhaps top flight, Alex Neil? He's unlikely to get a championship job after Preston I'd say?
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No mention of Herr Stendel?
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I really don't understand this clamour for Buckingham. It'd be just as much of a gamble as AB in my view albeit he has a little more managerial experience.
It just goes to show what a complicated lot we are and that it doesn't matter a jot what the club does or who it appoints they will get criticism from someone.
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Nobody has mentioned Jason tindall ex Bournemouth, to me seems potentially a logical fit?
Another perhaps top flight, Alex Neil? He's unlikely to get a championship job after Preston I'd say?
Either of these would get my vote after Buckingham. If this is the calibre of applicants we will end up with another very good manager
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Nobody has mentioned Jason tindall ex Bournemouth, to me seems potentially a logical fit?
Another perhaps top flight, Alex Neil? He's unlikely to get a championship job after Preston I'd say?
Alex Neil is a good shout.... It might be improbable that he would be step down a league since managing a struggling Preston, but he had a good record at Norwich and got them promoted to the Premiership. I wouldn't say no... if the pay package was manageable for the club.
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He was slated at Preston for the dire football that they produced under him.
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Not sure what people see in Buckingham - no experience of English football and infact only 5 years of football coaching experience at a level you can only imagine is around the quality of the conference.
He would be an incredibly poor appointment.
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Serious question is Buckingham currently in the uk, if he’s not surely that would preclude him at the moment
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Not sure what people see in Buckingham - no experience of English football and infact only 5 years of football coaching experience at a level you can only imagine is around the quality of the conference.
He would be an incredibly poor appointment.
Buckingham began his professional coaching career at Oxford United at the age of 18, initially working through the club's age-group squads. At the start of the 2013–14 Football League Two season, he progressed as a coach into the first team under then-manager Chris Wilder.
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Serious question is Buckingham currently in the uk, if he’s not surely that would preclude him at the moment
You will see him on the sideline for Melbourne City in about 20mins!
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I really don't understand this clamour for Buckingham. It'd be just as much of a gamble as AB in my view albeit he has a little more managerial experience.
It just goes to show what a complicated lot we are and that it doesn't matter a jot what the club does or who it appoints they will get criticism from someone.
The difference is Buckingham appears to be a qualified and highly motivated individual. His CV shouts astute, clever young fella.
AB on the other hand is stiil talking in footballing platitudes and doesn't show real signs of getting to grips with the job.
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I really don't understand this clamour for Buckingham. It'd be just as much of a gamble as AB in my view albeit he has a little more managerial experience.
It just goes to show what a complicated lot we are and that it doesn't matter a jot what the club does or who it appoints they will get criticism from someone.
The difference is Buckingham appears to be a qualified and highly motivated individual. His CV shouts astute, clever young fella.
AB on the other hand is stiil talking in footballing platitudes and doesn't show real signs of getting to grips with the job.
Butler has had two job interviews a week for the last few months, pre and post match. I’ve heard nothing that indicates he will be a good manager.
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Serious question is Buckingham currently in the uk, if he’s not surely that would preclude him at the moment
You will see him on the sideline for Melbourne City in about 20mins!
As long as he’s happy to log into Microsoft Teams in the middle of the night then surely he can still be interviewed!
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I have a lot of sympathy for Butler though. He has really been thrown in at the deep end, persisting with things as we have hasn't done his career any good.
I think he needs a spell getting back to coaching and if he does want to give management another bash, then he probably needs time to study it, perhaps some courses on management away from football. Go and see how things are done at some of the more progressive clubs. I don't think just doing your badges is necessarily enough.
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Not sure what people see in Buckingham - no experience of English football and infact only 5 years of football coaching experience at a level you can only imagine is around the quality of the conference.
He would be an incredibly poor appointment.
Sloppy research
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Not sure what people see in Buckingham - no experience of English football and infact only 5 years of football coaching experience at a level you can only imagine is around the quality of the conference.
He would be an incredibly poor appointment.
Sloppy research
What research?
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Not sure what people see in Buckingham - no experience of English football and infact only 5 years of football coaching experience at a level you can only imagine is around the quality of the conference.
He would be an incredibly poor appointment.
Surely when recruiting you don’t judge people on what they are doing now but gather evidence to try and determine their potential ceiling?
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DTD it strikes me he has more coaching experience than many who jump into jobs.
2004–2014 Oxford United (youth coach)
2015 Wellington Phoenix (assistant)
2016 Wellington Phoenix (interim)
2017 Wellington Phoenix
2017–2018 Stoke City U23 (assistant)
2018–2019 New Zealand U20
2018–2019 New Zealand (assistant)
2019–2020 New Zealand U23
2020– Melbourne City (assistant)
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A shout out to Alex Neil who managed Norwich in the premier league
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A shout out to Alex Neil who managed Norwich in the premier league
If he has applied you would think he has to be the number 1 option.
Realistically I’m not sure he would have.
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A shout out to Alex Neil who managed Norwich in the premier league
If he has applied you would think he has to be the number 1 option.
Realistically I’m not sure he would have.
Why would he be no 1 option?
He didn’t pull up any trees at Preston. In fact they were very inconsistent and home form was distinctly poor.
Not for me.
Having said that it doesn’t matter what any of us think about the man who is appointed.
If results are very good then it will be seen as a good appointment or even better. If results are less than good then we will all deem it to have been a poor one or even worse,
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Managed at a decent level but wasn't great at preston, although i'd say they were probably where they should be in the league anyway. He was the same at Norwich they promotion to the prem is about par for them as is getting relegated. Maybe he just struggles to get a team to overachieve which is probably where we were at with DF
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I would be really happy with Alex Neall
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Alex Neil has managed in the Premier League and will be looking to rebuild his status within the game after an uninspiring spell at PNE - trouble being if he does well he be off after using us as a stepping stone
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Alex Neil has managed in the Premier League and will be looking to rebuild his status within the game after an uninspiring spell at PNE - trouble being if he does well he be off after using us as a stepping stone
That should be every managers ambition, I doubt any on the shortlist have grown up wanting to manage Doncaster Rovers.
Manchester United or Liverpool maybe, but not Rovers.
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Alex Neil would get another Championship job, if not he’d walk straight into a SPL role. He won’t be applying for a L1 gig.
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I read a few days ago that he was taking a bit of time out to do family stuff.
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Richie Wellens - won promotion and a trophy
Graeme Jones - top flight coaching experience
Neil Harris. - playoff winning manager
Paul Tisdale. - promotion winning manager
Micky Mellon. - currently in work & previously promotion winner
Simon Weaver - in employment won Conference playoff
Andy Butler. - to be interviewed
A-another?
ARE these the applicants or figments of your imagination!
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Buckingham is young enough to be able to commit to a reasonable contract length. I can’t imagine his expectations would need managing too much in regards to wages. I can’t imagine Melbourne pay a kings ransom.
Then there is his personal circumstance, which I know nothing about at all. But a move back to uk could fit with his plans ?
He would come to Rovers with little or no baggage. Fresh, young, keen, but with enough pedigree to justify giving him a go. A real chance to make a good name for himself as a manager in the EFL.
The owner is Al Mubarak, Man City Chairman, so they have the ability to pay a Sheik’s ransom
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I have a lot of sympathy for Butler though. He has really been thrown in at the deep end, persisting with things as we have hasn't done his career any good.
I think he needs a spell getting back to coaching and if he does want to give management another bash, then he probably needs time to study it, perhaps some courses on management away from football. Go and see how things are done at some of the more progressive clubs. I don't think just doing your badges is necessarily enough.
And it is not all the fault of AB as is all started early February onset Moor so it is a continuation from that. And when the rot sets in it’s difficult to stop, I’m just suppressed that he has got 3 wins under his belt and one beating Ferguson to boot
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Alex Neal has managed in the Premier league & is out of work so he could be on the shortlist- who knows?
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Alex Neil has managed in the Premier League and will be looking to rebuild his status within the game after an uninspiring spell at PNE - trouble being if he does well he be off after using us as a stepping stone
For me that's not an issue - The issue is when people like Moore (who preach the Club Doncaster ethos) or McCann who slates players for not showing commitment and loyalty take off at the first sniff.
If it was to be someone like Buckingham who has the potential or Neil who would be using it as a stepping stone, then so be it. At least it's transparent enough. We're a stepping stone club and would be foolish to think otherwise.
But what the club need to do is something similar to what Swansea have done. Potter came in, did a good job and went to Brighton but immediately replaced him with Cooper which I believe Potter had a say in. It's all about succession planning rather than trying to keep the same manager for years. I'd actually be worried if we kept a manager for 4-5 years these days as it would probably show we're stagnating.
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Has Brian Stock been mentioned anywhere yet?
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Steve McLaren has entered the betting market behind Heckingbottom.
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Oh please God, no.
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DTD it strikes me he has more coaching experience than many who jump into jobs.
2004–2014 Oxford United (youth coach)
2015 Wellington Phoenix (assistant)
2016 Wellington Phoenix (interim)
2017 Wellington Phoenix
2017–2018 Stoke City U23 (assistant)
2018–2019 New Zealand U20
2018–2019 New Zealand (assistant)
2019–2020 New Zealand U23
2020– Melbourne City (assistant)
Commits to a role then
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DTD it strikes me he has more coaching experience than many who jump into jobs.
2004–2014 Oxford United (youth coach)
2015 Wellington Phoenix (assistant)
2016 Wellington Phoenix (interim)
2017 Wellington Phoenix
2017–2018 Stoke City U23 (assistant)
2018–2019 New Zealand U20
2018–2019 New Zealand (assistant)
2019–2020 New Zealand U23
2020– Melbourne City (assistant)
Commits to a role then
One role was for 10 years. 3 years at Wellington , 2 years at NZ every stay longer than DRFC previous 2 managers. I grant you he didnt spend too long at Stoke, But 17-18 they were a basket case anyway.
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Pretty much 5 roles in 17 years.
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It appears that once again like “ Groundhog Day” ...the Managerial selection committee ( you lot!) are once again stating who they DONT, want and who they DO prefer, ....
Has i’ve already been told “ real fans get behind the team” no matter what! ....yet here we are before the “ team leader” has been selected , and some are stating that certain names are not good enough, or “ not for me” ?
What does that mean ...” not for me” ???
Are you going to stop supporting the team if such and such manager is appointed, are you going to say “ I told you so” when we lose and a team selection didn’t suit your idea,
A lot of so called “ true fans” seem to set the tone of their seasonal gripes based upon their own ideas of how Doncaster should play, with what players, and under their “preferred manager” ,
and if it doesn’t fit their ideal, they are the ones who shout the loudest.....
Instead of setting the negative tones......
Why don’t you just wait and be satisfied that the decision made was for all the right reasons!
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DTD it strikes me he has more coaching experience than many who jump into jobs.
2004–2014 Oxford United (youth coach)
2015 Wellington Phoenix (assistant)
2016 Wellington Phoenix (interim)
2017 Wellington Phoenix
2017–2018 Stoke City U23 (assistant)
2018–2019 New Zealand U20
2018–2019 New Zealand (assistant)
2019–2020 New Zealand U23
2020– Melbourne City (assistant)
Commits to a role then
Yes, shame he keeps getting promoted.
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It appears that once again like “ Groundhog Day” ...the Managerial selection committee ( you lot!) are once again stating who they DONT, want and who they DO prefer, ....
Has i’ve already been told “ real fans get behind the team” no matter what! ....yet here we are before the “ team leader” has been selected , and some are stating that certain names are not good enough, or “ not for me” ?
What does that mean ...” not for me” ???
Are you going to stop supporting the team if such and such manager is appointed, are you going to say “ I told you so” when we lose and a team selection didn’t suit your idea,
A lot of so called “ true fans” seem to set the tone of their seasonal gripes based upon their own ideas of how Doncaster should play, with what players, and under their “preferred manager” ,
and if it doesn’t fit their ideal, they are the ones who shout the loudest.....
Instead of setting the negative tones......
Why don’t you just wait and be satisfied that the decision made was for all the right reasons!
We can all have our personal preferences can’t we? I don’t have a particular preference although Stendel sounds like he could be very good based on what Tyke has said. There are a quite few who i wouldn’t particularly want but that doesn’t mean I would be right about them. I could and probably would be very wrong. So that doesn’t mean we won’t get behind whoever is appointed does it.
It’s a forum for debate and opinions.
The board will make the decision at the end of the day and it will either turn out to be a good appointment or a poor one.
We all have to trust their judgment and hope it works out well.
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Steve McLaren has entered the betting market behind Heckingbottom.
He’s learning the Yorkshire accent as we speak
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It appears that once again like “ Groundhog Day” ...the Managerial selection committee ( you lot!) are once again stating who they DONT, want and who they DO prefer, ....
Has i’ve already been told “ real fans get behind the team” no matter what! ....yet here we are before the “ team leader” has been selected , and some are stating that certain names are not good enough, or “ not for me” ?
What does that mean ...” not for me” ???
Are you going to stop supporting the team if such and such manager is appointed, are you going to say “ I told you so” when we lose and a team selection didn’t suit your idea,
A lot of so called “ true fans” seem to set the tone of their seasonal gripes based upon their own ideas of how Doncaster should play, with what players, and under their “preferred manager” ,
and if it doesn’t fit their ideal, they are the ones who shout the loudest.....
Instead of setting the negative tones......
Why don’t you just wait and be satisfied that the decision made was for all the right reasons!
We can all have our personal preferences can’t we? I don’t have a particular preference although Stendel sounds like he could be very good based on what Tyke has said. There are a quite few who i wouldn’t particularly want but that doesn’t mean I would be right about them. I could and probably would be very wrong. So that doesn’t mean we won’t get behind whoever is appointed does it.
It’s a forum for debate and opinions.
The board will make the decision at the end of the day and it will either turn out to be a good appointment or a poor one.
We all have to trust their judgment and hope it works out well.
Unfortunately you are wrong and you know it...
Year on year the dissenters start the negativity, and this all stems from these debatable forums that in my opinion set the tone for the following season...... the usual suspects will start attacking the appointment, followed by the playing budget, then the players brought in, then the lack of ambition from the owners....
Every year this is done to death.....I agree that debate is healthy once the pieces are put in place, but until that happens there will be absolute total negativity regarding personal choice for the new appointees...
We can’t have 5 managers, only the one....so let’s see how many fans say “ wasn’t my choice but I’ll get behind him” .............. until they don’t!
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Sha6
One of the biggest joys in watching a football club is expressing opinions about how things should actually be done.
Have you never shouted "Get Duerden off!
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Steve McLaren has entered the betting market behind Heckingbottom.
He’s learning the Yorkshire accent as we speak
Shouldn't be hard. He's from York.
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Chris Coleman on Soccer AM now, wonder if he will drop any tit bits! Haha
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Just said he’s after a job abroad
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Be off to America I think... Sure that was mentioned before
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Just said he’s after a job abroad
Technically according to Oxford English dictionary.
"in or to a foreign country or countries"
So..... With Wales being a different country.......
:-)
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Just said he’s after a job abroad
Technically according to Oxford English dictionary.
"in or to a foreign country or countries"
So..... With Wales being a different country.......
:-)
Also as Doncaster is still legally part of Scotland (even though no one actually pays attention to it)Treaty of Durham, he would be correct even if he did join us.
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It appears that once again like “ Groundhog Day” ...the Managerial selection committee ( you lot!) are once again stating who they DONT, want and who they DO prefer, ....
Has i’ve already been told “ real fans get behind the team” no matter what! ....yet here we are before the “ team leader” has been selected , and some are stating that certain names are not good enough, or “ not for me” ?
What does that mean ...” not for me” ???
Are you going to stop supporting the team if such and such manager is appointed, are you going to say “ I told you so” when we lose and a team selection didn’t suit your idea,
A lot of so called “ true fans” seem to set the tone of their seasonal gripes based upon their own ideas of how Doncaster should play, with what players, and under their “preferred manager” ,
and if it doesn’t fit their ideal, they are the ones who shout the loudest.....
Instead of setting the negative tones......
Why don’t you just wait and be satisfied that the decision made was for all the right reasons!
We can all have our personal preferences can’t we? I don’t have a particular preference although Stendel sounds like he could be very good based on what Tyke has said. There are a quite few who i wouldn’t particularly want but that doesn’t mean I would be right about them. I could and probably would be very wrong. So that doesn’t mean we won’t get behind whoever is appointed does it.
It’s a forum for debate and opinions.
The board will make the decision at the end of the day and it will either turn out to be a good appointment or a poor one.
We all have to trust their judgment and hope it works out well.
Unfortunately you are wrong and you know it...
Year on year the dissenters start the negativity, and this all stems from these debatable forums that in my opinion set the tone for the following season...... the usual suspects will start attacking the appointment, followed by the playing budget, then the players brought in, then the lack of ambition from the owners....
Every year this is done to death.....I agree that debate is healthy once the pieces are put in place, but until that happens there will be absolute total negativity regarding personal choice for the new appointees...
We can’t have 5 managers, only the one....so let’s see how many fans say “ wasn’t my choice but I’ll get behind him” .............. until they don’t!
Well fair enough sha.
You are correct with what you say. I slightly misinterpreted your original post, thinking you were simply criticising people having their preferences on who becomes our next manager.
Oh yes there will be plenty on here moaning like crazy as always whoever gets it.
I can think of 2 who wouldn’t be happy with Pep Guadiola
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Has Brian Stock been mentioned anywhere yet?
I thought about this the other day. Former club captain so knows about the club, young, I presume he wants to play attractive football. Not fantastic managerial stats at Weymouth though, played 34 won 9 drawn 6 lost 19. But, stats go out the window with us.
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Then he will not be in the frame then will he as he has no league management experience, or prover top record in the game
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Doesn't necessarily have to have that, we've already been told the process allows for wildcards.
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I think Drian Stock is a lot to pecking order that far down the pyramid
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I think Drian Stock is a lot to pecking order that far down the pyramid
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I think Drian Stock is a lot to pecking order that far down the pyramid
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Vicars been at the Communion wine again :blink: