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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Ronnie Dovers on May 12, 2021, 09:49:46 pm
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Obviously I'm just guessing the final 3, but it'll still be interesting to see the results. I personally would prefer Stephen Robinson, I think he's the one with the most relevant experience in dealing with the kind of situation we find ourselves in this summer. Other two options feel more risky, for different reasons.
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It’s tough and I honestly would be happy with all three.
My heart is crying out for Wellens if I’m honest but head would take Robinson.
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Exactly the same here Dare to Dream... After watching a few bits on YouTube with Robinson, I just like the way he comes across, he ticks all the boxes
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Me too, desperate for it to be Wellens and I will be disappointed if it isn't him initially, but I think In time after a few days when the dust settles I will be happy If its Robinson.
Not too convinced that Eustace would be good or bad to be honest so I'd rather we stayed away.
I think following SM comments, it's nailed on not to be Wellens.
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Me too, desperate for it to be Wellens and I will be disappointed if it isn't him initially, but I think In time after a few days when the dust settles I will be happy If its Robinson.
Not too convinced that Eustace would be good or bad to be honest so I'd rather we stayed away.
I think following SM comments, it's nailed on not to be Wellens.
But he has been mentioned since before the process started, and never been ruled out when many others have? Why have him in the process if the board aren’t prepared to work with him?
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Me too, desperate for it to be Wellens and I will be disappointed if it isn't him initially, but I think In time after a few days when the dust settles I will be happy If its Robinson.
Not too convinced that Eustace would be good or bad to be honest so I'd rather we stayed away.
I think following SM comments, it's nailed on not to be Wellens.
But he has been mentioned since before the process started, and never been ruled out when many others have? Why have him in the process if the board aren’t prepared to work with him?
Maybe the board want to question him and see if he has learned from things that have happened in the past and how would he do things differently if faced with the same situation pretty standard interview question that most companies ask.
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Not sure. Can see the potential pros and cons of each.
So I'll say, whoever impresses the board enough to be given the job.
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Me too, desperate for it to be Wellens and I will be disappointed if it isn't him initially, but I think In time after a few days when the dust settles I will be happy If its Robinson.
Not too convinced that Eustace would be good or bad to be honest so I'd rather we stayed away.
I think following SM comments, it's nailed on not to be Wellens.
But he has been mentioned since before the process started, and never been ruled out when many others have? Why have him in the process if the board aren’t prepared to work with him?
Maybe the board want to question him and see if he has learned from things that have happened in the past and how would he do things differently if faced with the same situation pretty standard interview question that most companies ask.
Yeah, but if he definitely wasn’t getting the job why not hear what he had to say in the first interview then call it a day.
You would think that they wouldn’t take him to the final three if there was no likelihood of him being appointed.
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In order of preference:
1. Wellens
2. Eustace
3. Robinson
But whichever one we choose will get my backing. And there’s a case to be made for all three. There’s no stand out awful choice there, and that itself is a good thing.
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Put me down for that view as well please.
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I’m curious to know what John Eustace has to offer. Any thoughts?
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The win percentage of Wellens and Robinson is exactly 39%. Both managers will have hell of a task and won’t be pulling up trees, with those stats. It will, as we know be a long old season whoever gets the job. It may be worth a punt on Eustace for a bit of fresh blood and new ideas. Those stats (39%) are worryingly similar to Dickovs and Eustace is yet to be an Oldham cast off unlike the other two.
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Talking of Dickov, he resurfaced today on 5Live pontificating about Man City winning the title. I almost crashed the bloody car....
BobG
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Whoever it is will be gone at the first sign of success. Every manager ever wants to be at the top. We should be proud that other clubs want our managers it shows our processes are correct. Let's face it we all want money spent on new players and not on better contracts for managers.
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The win percentage of Wellens and Robinson is exactly 39%. Both managers will have hell of a task and won’t be pulling up trees, with those stats. It will, as we know be a long old season whoever gets the job. It may be worth a punt on Eustace for a bit of fresh blood and new ideas. Those stats (39%) are worryingly similar to Dickovs and Eustace is yet to be an Oldham cast off unlike the other two.
Win percentage in isolation like that has absolutely no relevance.
Pep could go and manage Southend and his win percentage would be shit,
Does that mean he’s a bad manager?
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I’m curious to know what John Eustace has to offer. Any thoughts?
I only know what I’ve managed to get from wiki...2 years as Kidderminster manager, joined after they were relegated and took them to the National League North play offs each time. Joined QPR as Steve Mclaren’s assistant 3 years ago, short spell as caretaker after McLaren was sacked and stated on as assistant manager when Mark Warburton took over.
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The best of luck to all three, and thanks for being interested in managing my great club, I wish you all the best in wherever your career takes you, unfortunately only one can win this particular job application, but to get as far as you have at this club shows that all of you have the potential to be top draw managers, our interview and qualification process being a proven system of signing quality managers and should stand the two who do not get the job in good stead with other clubs.
To the man appointed, you have my full backing in what will be a very big rebuilding job, and you will be joining a great club, enjoy your tenure, you will never have a better employer in this game, and as said to the two not so lucky this time all the best for the future.
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I’m curious to know what John Eustace has to offer. Any thoughts?
I only know what I’ve managed to get from wiki...2 years as Kidderminster manager, joined after they were relegated and took them to the National League North play offs each time. Joined QPR as Steve Mclaren’s assistant 3 years ago, short spell as caretaker after McLaren was sacked and stated on as assistant manager when Mark Warburton took over.
Yes, I’m reluctant to get too bogged down in win percentages (as others have said it only tells a small part of the story) but... if you look at his win percentage at Kidderminster it’s eye-catchingly impressive. Granted it was at a much lower level, but the same principles apply of assembling and organising a team, and he’ll have learned a lot about the harder side of management there. It was over a long enough period to prove his success was no flash in the pan, too. Since then it seems he’s earned a great deal of respect as a coach and assistant at a higher level, so his credentials are decent.
If we don’t appoint Wellens (my first choice) I feel he’s a credible alternative.
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Other people on here must have done interviews? I have done a few in and for various roles.
Your cv gets you the interview. Who convines me they understand the role and what is required from it at the interview gets the job.
I think the board have done very well at appointing the past few managers (its not their fault that person has let them and the club down) so have no doubt they will do the same this time.
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Having listened to the Robinson interview in full then listened to several of Wellens interviews at Swindon and Salford, I think we have a couple of contrasting personalities to choose from, although I can't make any judgement on Eustace.
Robinson seems to have been able to polish up some turds (Curtis Main for example) and shape to team on a small budget and with that has some humility and patience. Bearing in mind his interview was a candid relection after leaving the job and therefore it's easier to relate to the man.
Wellens comes across as results focused, very much looking at the detail of beating the opposition, encouraging his preferred brand of football.
A couple of interesting things from Wellens was his comments about taking Swindon through to League One and challenging there with good support. Yet we know he jumped ship as soon as the Salford opportunity arose. Nothing wrong with that you'd say but he also used the wanting to be nearer home etc, when his time ended with us.
He also said after a loss with Salford. "I'd not seen our prematch warm up as I have other things to do but that wasn't right..". He didn't seem to take responsibility for that and mentioned his assistant. It may have been relevant but maybe he could have kept that out of the public domain.
I could imagine it would be easier for the players to lose respect for Wellens when things don't go well whereas Robinson seems to command a little more. I just can't help thinking with Wellens it's more about him than the club. However, he may have learned from his short spell at Salford.
Robinson reminds me a little of McCann and not just due to the accent. Reasonably calm on the outside but with fire in the belly.
With Wellens, he just looks miserable all the time. I can't barely recall him cracking a smile or being cryptic at any point as either player or manager in interviews.
Over to you board, may the best man win.
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None of them inspire me.
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None of them inspire me.
I don't think Steve Evans has been ruled out yet.
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Having listened to the Robinson interview in full then listened to several of Wellens interviews at Swindon and Salford, I think we have a couple of contrasting personalities to choose from, although I can't make any judgement on Eustace.
Robinson seems to have been able to polish up some turds (Curtis Main for example) and shape to team on a small budget and with that has some humility and patience. Bearing in mind his interview was a candid relection after leaving the job and therefore it's easier to relate to the man.
Wellens comes across as results focused, very much looking at the detail of beating the opposition, encouraging his preferred brand of football.
A couple of interesting things from Wellens was his comments about taking Swindon through to League One and challenging there with good support. Yet we know he jumped ship as soon as the Salford opportunity arose. Nothing wrong with that you'd say but he also used the wanting to be nearer home etc, when his time ended with us.
He also said after a loss with Salford. "I'd not seen our prematch warm up as I have other things to do but that wasn't right..". He didn't seem to take responsibility for that and mentioned his assistant. It may have been relevant but maybe he could have kept that out of the public domain.
I could imagine it would be easier for the players to lose respect for Wellens when things don't go well whereas Robinson seems to command a little more. I just can't help thinking with Wellens it's more about him than the club. However, he may have learned from his short spell at Salford.
Robinson reminds me a little of McCann and not just due to the accent. Reasonably calm on the outside but with fire in the belly.
With Wellens, he just looks miserable all the time. I can't barely recall him cracking a smile or being cryptic at any point as either player or manager in interviews.
Over to you board, may the best man win.
THIS :that:
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It seems the majority of fans want someone who will show a certain loyalty to the club and not walk at the first opportunity. Unfortunately, Rovers will probably always be seen as a stepping stone, it goes with the territory I’m afraid and in fairness it’s something most clubs have to deal with, including the big ones. As a Bolton fan I’m sticking my nose in here and whilst I actually thought Parky would have been a good fit for you, of the three you seem to have whittled it down to, I’d go for Steve Robinson, who seems to have done a really good job at Motherwell both on and off the field, working on a tight budget. I’d always worry about Wellens, I think he’s very much out for himself first. Eustace is a bit of a gamble but whoever it is I wish you good luck, apart from the 6 points we’ll take off you next year!! ;-))
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It seems the majority of fans want someone who will show a certain loyalty to the club and not walk at the first opportunity. Unfortunately, Rovers will probably always be seen as a stepping stone, it goes with the territory I’m afraid and in fairness it’s something most clubs have to deal with, including the big ones. As a Bolton fan I’m sticking my nose in here and whilst I actually thought Parky would have been a good fit for you, of the three you seem to have whittled it down to, I’d go for Steve Robinson, who seems to have done a really good job at Motherwell both on and off the field, working on a tight budget. I’d always worry about Wellens, I think he’s very much out for himself first. Eustace is a bit of a gamble but whoever it is I wish you good luck, apart from the 6 points we’ll take off you next year!! ;-))
We like football, how would Parkinson have been a good fit?
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It seems the majority of fans want someone who will show a certain loyalty to the club and not walk at the first opportunity. Unfortunately, Rovers will probably always be seen as a stepping stone, it goes with the territory I’m afraid and in fairness it’s something most clubs have to deal with, including the big ones. As a Bolton fan I’m sticking my nose in here and whilst I actually thought Parky would have been a good fit for you, of the three you seem to have whittled it down to, I’d go for Steve Robinson, who seems to have done a really good job at Motherwell both on and off the field, working on a tight budget. I’d always worry about Wellens, I think he’s very much out for himself first. Eustace is a bit of a gamble but whoever it is I wish you good luck, apart from the 6 points we’ll take off you next year!! ;-))
I think it’s impossible to expect loyalty if a club in the Championship come calling. What I would like to see is us better protected if a big club comes calling, be that with a longer contract or a contract weighted with loyalty bonuses, and a better succession plan/someone looking after the football strategy side. We appear to be learning with these which is a good sign.
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Difficult one this, I listened to Robinson and he sounded very good,however I then think of Paul Dickov who gave some of the best interviews off the pitch but his team struggled on it. Then theres Wellens who looks a good fit, but i cant help but going back to the end of his time here as a player and some of the things i heard about his attitude etc etc. As for Eustace I dont know that much about him..
So on reflection i will do like the majority..Leave it to the board and then moan about it after lol
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Difficult one this, I listened to Robinson and he sounded very good,however I then think of Paul Dickov who gave some of the best interviews off the pitch but his team struggled on it. Then theres Wellens who looks a good fit, but i cant help but going back to the end of his time here as a player and some of the things i heard about his attitude etc etc. As for Eustace I dont know that much about him..
So on reflection i will do like the majority..Leave it to the board and then moan about it after lol
To be fair I think Robinson has achieved a lot more as a manager up to this point, than Dickov had before we hired him
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The good thing is that there’s no major outcry about any of the three that have (allegedly) been shortlisted.
Sure, people would prefer one above the others which will differ from one person to the next but it’s good that it appears everyone would be reasonably ok with any of the three.
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Aye, it certainly helps that there is nobody of the "calibre" of Gary Caldwell on the shortlist this time around.
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Be funny, woldn't it, if, come the announcement, it is somebody else entirely!
Lol
BobG
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Be funny, woldn't it, if, come the announcement, it is somebody else entirely!
Lol
BobG
I’m hoping for a curve Ball, I have to admit as none of the above are especially inspiring. Whoever it is will get my support though. :rtid:
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Is today the day they announce with it been press day and all or is there no press day now season is over ?
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Is today the day they announce with it been press day and all or is there no press day now season is over ?
Either today, tomorrow or Monday!
Fingers crossed it's late on today.
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I voted Wellens but I was very close to voting for Robinson - I don’t get the anti Wellens feelings from some, I get he may have ruffled feathers way back when but we’re appointing a football manager not a social worker
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Wellens will leg it to the north west as soon as he is able to
The WE in wellens is illusory
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In that context perhaps we shouldn't trust Robinson near the till or discuss Brexit with Eustace?
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I know Wellens isn’t everyone’s cup of tea and he might have rubbed people up the wrong way in the past but we’re after a manager not a social worker
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Wellens always struck me as being arrogant. i hope he has learned to temper that with some humility.
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I know Wellens isn’t everyone’s cup of tea and he might have rubbed people up the wrong way in the past but we’re after a manager not a social worker
OK he's a long way from a Steve Evans or a Joey Barton, but I do think the side would benefit from a manager with a bit of an edge. Particularly right now, i can't imagine he would have stood for the absolute capitulation of this season. I'm basing most of my recent opinion of the guy (as a manager at least) on his podcast with Copps but he really did talk a good game on there.
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I know Wellens isn’t everyone’s cup of tea and he might have rubbed people up the wrong way in the past but we’re after a manager not a social worker
Yes, but when you're managing a group of players you also need to have a range of soft skills. It's not the army and we don't need a sergeant major!
I think he can plan and execute a game plan and pretty much get square pegs in the right holes to win games but the question is whether he can adapt and compromise when the situation needs it.
We need a bit of everything and hopefully, the thorough process will do its job.
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I think our fans need to get away from this "X manager will abandon us" worry. It is understandable after what happened with the last two, but it is the nature of the game. If our next manager does well - and we surely all hope he does - then odds are he will attract interest. If we appoint Robinson and he gets us promoted, what if Northern Ireland come calling? Or a top half Championship side? Same for Eustace or anyone, let alone Wellens.
As long as we sort out better contracts with the manager, I'd say we will have done all we can on that front. You either appoint someone who might leave because they do well, or appoint someone who won't leave because they aren't good enough. There is little else between those two options in my opinion.
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It seems the majority of fans want someone who will show a certain loyalty to the club and not walk at the first opportunity. Unfortunately, Rovers will probably always be seen as a stepping stone, it goes with the territory I’m afraid and in fairness it’s something most clubs have to deal with, including the big ones. As a Bolton fan I’m sticking my nose in here and whilst I actually thought Parky would have been a good fit for you, of the three you seem to have whittled it down to, I’d go for Steve Robinson, who seems to have done a really good job at Motherwell both on and off the field, working on a tight budget. I’d always worry about Wellens, I think he’s very much out for himself first. Eustace is a bit of a gamble but whoever it is I wish you good luck, apart from the 6 points we’ll take off you next year!! ;-))
But that neans playing us twice, you didn't manage it once last time round
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It seems the majority of fans want someone who will show a certain loyalty to the club and not walk at the first opportunity. Unfortunately, Rovers will probably always be seen as a stepping stone, it goes with the territory I’m afraid and in fairness it’s something most clubs have to deal with, including the big ones. As a Bolton fan I’m sticking my nose in here and whilst I actually thought Parky would have been a good fit for you, of the three you seem to have whittled it down to, I’d go for Steve Robinson, who seems to have done a really good job at Motherwell both on and off the field, working on a tight budget. I’d always worry about Wellens, I think he’s very much out for himself first. Eustace is a bit of a gamble but whoever it is I wish you good luck, apart from the 6 points we’ll take off you next year!! ;-))
But that neans playing us twice, you didn't manage it once last time round
Touché
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I think our fans need to get away from this "X manager will abandon us" worry. It is understandable after what happened with the last two, but it is the nature of the game. If our next manager does well - and we surely all hope he does - then odds are he will attract interest. If we appoint Robinson and he gets us promoted, what if Northern Ireland come calling? Or a top half Championship side? Same for Eustace or anyone, let alone Wellens.
As long as we sort out better contracts with the manager, I'd say we will have done all we can on that front. You either appoint someone who might leave because they do well, or appoint someone who won't leave because they aren't good enough. There is little else between those two options in my opinion.
It depends where we sit in the pyramid.
If we're doing well in LG1 we'll attract attention, i.e. McCann to Hull, Moore to SWFC and Saunders to Wolves. But if we're in the Championship ourselves then Ii doubt an EPL club would need an English manager, most go for foreign managers.
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It seems the majority of fans want someone who will show a certain loyalty to the club and not walk at the first opportunity. Unfortunately, Rovers will probably always be seen as a stepping stone, it goes with the territory I’m afraid and in fairness it’s something most clubs have to deal with, including the big ones. As a Bolton fan I’m sticking my nose in here and whilst I actually thought Parky would have been a good fit for you, of the three you seem to have whittled it down to, I’d go for Steve Robinson, who seems to have done a really good job at Motherwell both on and off the field, working on a tight budget. I’d always worry about Wellens, I think he’s very much out for himself first. Eustace is a bit of a gamble but whoever it is I wish you good luck, apart from the 6 points we’ll take off you next year!! ;-))
We like football, how would Parkinson have been a good fit?
Ha, excellent response Donny, you’re not wrong on that one but to be fair, the guy does know L1 and could get you promoted. The problem is, he couldn’t keep you up and as you say, the hoof ball would be tortuous.
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I think our fans need to get away from this "X manager will abandon us" worry. It is understandable after what happened with the last two, but it is the nature of the game. If our next manager does well - and we surely all hope he does - then odds are he will attract interest. If we appoint Robinson and he gets us promoted, what if Northern Ireland come calling? Or a top half Championship side? Same for Eustace or anyone, let alone Wellens.
As long as we sort out better contracts with the manager, I'd say we will have done all we can on that front. You either appoint someone who might leave because they do well, or appoint someone who won't leave because they aren't good enough. There is little else between those two options in my opinion.
It depends where we sit in the pyramid.
If we're doing well in LG1 we'll attract attention, i.e. McCann to Hull, Moore to SWFC and Saunders to Wolves. But if we're in the Championship ourselves then Ii doubt an EPL club would need an English manager, most go for foreign managers.
That is perhaps true, but at the same time we wouldn't be able to compete with the financial package and potential of around half the Championship's clubs even if we were in the division, therefore I'd say we would still be at risk of losing the manager to another club if we're doing well.
Unless you're one of the precious few huge clubs at the top of the Premier League, that's the case right through the domestic league system.
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I'm less concerned about Wellens being headhunted, as that would mean we have achieved some form of success.
What I am concerned about is his durability and level headedness when the pressure is on. If he takes responsibility and is ready to make mistakes without blaming others, show signs of tolerance and understanding when required, then it could very well be he has used his experience to date wisely.
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Living near Motherwell and having a lot of their fans as friends, Robinson doesn’t float my boat.
He got a lift out of the squad he inherited at Motherwell, however as he started to add more of his signings to the squad they went backwards.
In our current situ, we need a rebuild, I’m not convinced he’s the right man for that based on what I’ve seen.
I would compare him to Dickov, nice guy, but not much more than that.
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None of the candidates in the poll hopefully !
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None of the candidates in the poll hopefully !
You're going to be very disappointed then.
Looking at the poll though, just how close it is... 58-53, if it's either Robinson or Wellens the board shouldn't be criticised, because that's just way too close to call between the fans which shows what a tough decision it will be.
You'll never please everybody.
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Me too, desperate for it to be Wellens and I will be disappointed if it isn't him initially, but I think In time after a few days when the dust settles I will be happy If its Robinson.
Not too convinced that Eustace would be good or bad to be honest so I'd rather we stayed away.
I think following SM comments, it's nailed on not to be Wellens.
Why is he down to the last 3 if it’s nailed on he will not get the job? Doesn’t quite add up.
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Me too, desperate for it to be Wellens and I will be disappointed if it isn't him initially, but I think In time after a few days when the dust settles I will be happy If its Robinson.
Not too convinced that Eustace would be good or bad to be honest so I'd rather we stayed away.
I think following SM comments, it's nailed on not to be Wellens.
Why is he down to the last 3 if it’s nailed on he will not get the job? Doesn’t quite add up.
It seems he might well be in pole position if you believe the bookies.
I was simply relaying what my gut feeling was following SM strong opinion of him, SM did stress afterwards though that it was his opinion.
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I cant pick my favourite because I have never met any of them.
Quite happy for the board to make the decision as they have done the interviews.
Will stand by their decision who ever it is.
Who knows it might not be one of those 3 as someone suggested.
The bookies are not always right. More often than not but not always. ;)
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Be funny, woldn't it, if, come the announcement, it is somebody else entirely!
Lol
BobG
That wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest.
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Looking at it from a business point of view, which of the 3 which appear to be in the running would help sell season tickets?
Despite his supposed arrogance & previous “happenings” at the club, I reckon the announcement of Wellens would stimulate more excitement amongst the fans.
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Looking at it from a business point of view, which of the 3 which appear to be in the running would help sell season tickets?
Despite his supposed arrogance & previous “happenings” at the club, I reckon the announcement of Wellens would stimulate more excitement amongst the fans.
Without a doubt, for those on twitter, search "wellensball" and you only have to see how Swindon fans were waxing lyrical about him and his style of play.