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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: normal rules on May 24, 2021, 10:24:12 am
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Early reports suggest she was hit by a stray bullet by some one who thought it was ok to carry a firearm to a party.
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From Beeb....
Imarn Ayton, a friend of Ms Johnson's, told the BBC doctors had carried out surgery on her fellow activist which had gone well and she was "now with her parents".
She said Ms Johnson had been at a party or gathering when she was injured but she did not believe "she was the intended victim".
"As far as I am aware... this incident is more related to rival gangs as opposed to her activism," Ms Ayton said.
Sad as this is - can anyone hear an irony klaxon going off.......
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Will the Police be looking into this matter?
Oh hang on a minute she wants them defunded...
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Hmm, 23 replies to base curry's, not much interest in this topic.
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Hmm, 23 replies to base curry's, not much interest in this topic.
Good thing you've come along just in time to try and fish for bites, eh selby.
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How can people comment on something they know so very little about ................oh!
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Hmm, 23 replies to base curry's, not much interest in this topic.
Anything racist you want to get off your chest?
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However, it is important to understand that the core function of the police is the same in both countries: to maintain a disciplinary, capitalist and racially stratified society. Important, too, is to dispel the illusion, common in white middle-class society, that the British police are largely unarmed and govern by consent
This is a small bit of the diatribe that the Likes of Sacha Johnson has been spouting off! The four perpetrators need to be tracked down and subjected to the full course of British Justice. Cough cough cough!
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I see Diane Abbott has had her word on this...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15062625/diane-abbott-black-lives-matter-sasha-johnson-shot-racism/?rec_article=true
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And to think she could have been Home secretary had Corbyn Monoxide got into power. The mind boggles.
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The mind boggles how any intelligent person could ever, in good conscience vote for monoxide or Abbott.
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The mind boggles how any intelligent person could ever, in good conscience vote for monoxide or Abbott.
She is very good at maths.
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I see Diane Abbott has had her word on this...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15062625/diane-abbott-black-lives-matter-sasha-johnson-shot-racism/?rec_article=true
She is a little cracker isn’t she.
Very quiet on this thread.
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I think she gets the last laugh though aye, nearly 35 years in parliament over bunch of stooges on a third tier football forum, I'll bet she's not thinking up dumb things to write about you lot in her spare time.
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She's never made me laugh Sydney. She always comes across as condescending, boring to listen to and seems to have a chip on her shoulder. Just my opinion of course, but although I've never voted Tory in over 50 years of being eligible to vote I could never vote for someone like her either.
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Every time someone tells me they wouldn't vote for a labour candidate it tells me they don;t really want a labour government. Those the would never vote labour, so what.
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I bet that I've voted Labout more times than you though Sydney.
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I bet that I've voted Labout more times than you though Sydney.
Probably true, my main gripe is that this is one of the few occasions where labour can learn from the tories, if Abbott had broken the law, showered her chums with £millions in public money, broke the law, lied to the queen be responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands, then I'd say you are correct but because she comes across as condescending, really? I know this is academic because she is not in your electorate but it's symptomatic of many, too many it would appear that find reasons not to support the party. Tory voters accept all of the above without blinking, without question, remind me how long labour have been in opposition.
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So what Syd, they get what they want, and you don't, and it obviously kills you, a good laugh though.
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So what Syd, they get what they want, and you don't, and it obviously kills you, a good laugh though.
And people genuinely think you're on off topic for any reason other than a wind-up. Such a weird, tragic way to live life.
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If anyone in earshot ever tells me they would vote for anyone in this government over anyone currently in the labour party or in the previous shadow government, I will tell them to kindly f**k off, shit in their own hands and clap.
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18 year old Cameron Deriggs of Lewisham been remanded for Consiracy to Murder...Won't be any rioting looting and shooting in London tonight due to his colour.
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I see Diane Abbott has had her word on this...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15062625/diane-abbott-black-lives-matter-sasha-johnson-shot-racism/?rec_article=true
I think the Labour Party needs to get rid of her ....and possibly 150 others
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If there was an election today Sprotyrover the electorate would get rid of a lot of them for the party without them having to bother.
And when the Tories change the constituency boundaries in 2023 that will get rid of a few more.
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If there was an election today Sprotyrover the electorate would get rid of a lot of them for the party without them having to bother.
And when the Tories change the constituency boundaries in 2023 that will get rid of a few more.
the way tories are dealing with the pandemic they'll be getting rid of nearly everyone if they're not stopped
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If there was an election today Sprotyrover the electorate would get rid of a lot of them for the party without them having to bother.
And when the Tories change the constituency boundaries in 2023 that will get rid of a few more.
The Labour Party shot its self in both feet when it let three hundred thousand idiots with very conflicting although extreme left wing agendas join and start calling the shots, your average labour voter in our area have views which are slightly to the right of Genghiz Khans. Which is now why they vote Tory, plus the good old boys always vote labour ethos has been blown out of the water by today's mass of information in the social media.
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If there was an election today Sprotyrover the electorate would get rid of a lot of them for the party without them having to bother.
And when the Tories change the constituency boundaries in 2023 that will get rid of a few more.
The Labour Party shot its self in both feet when it let three hundred thousand idiots with very conflicting although extreme left wing agendas join and start calling the shots, your average labour voter in our area have views which are slightly to the right of Genghiz Khans. Which is now why they vote Tory, plus the good old boys always vote labour ethos has been blown out of the water by today's mass of information in the social media.
Correct, when I looked more closely I found that sprotborough was much too dangerous and bought elsewhere
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The mind boggles how any intelligent person could ever, in good conscience vote for monoxide or Abbott.
I live in Bassetlaw and I voted Labour, not for the candidate but due to Labours policies and Jeremy Corbyn, and if I had a time machine I'd do the exact same again. Look at what's happened under BJ's leadership, Corbyn was calling for action a couple week before Johnson decided to pull his finger out. We would have saved numerous lives with Corbyn in charge, as he would have acted earlier. Rory Stewart was calling for action before Corbyn too, he would have been a million times better leader than BJ.
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France. Italy or Spain by any chance Syd?
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Watched Clive Myree on telly this morning probably my favourite Journo, what he said was""the first US citizen to die was in a home for the elderly,French Relatives are taking a law suit against their government due to lives lost in Old folks homes and half the deaths in Germany have happened in old folks homes,four of the most powerful and advanced countries on this planet all wrong footed, hindsight is a wonder full thing Wudda Shudda and Cudda are three twits that have been around for a long time! now wind yer necks in and let's try to make this a better place to live!
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The mind boggles how any intelligent person could ever, in good conscience vote for monoxide or Abbott.
I live in Bassetlaw and I voted Labour, not for the candidate but due to Labours policies and Jeremy Corbyn, and if I had a time machine I'd do the exact same again. Look at what's happened under BJ's leadership, Corbyn was calling for action a couple week before Johnson decided to pull his finger out. We would have saved numerous lives with Corbyn in charge, as he would have acted earlier. Rory Stewart was calling for action before Corbyn too, he would have been a million times better leader than BJ.
I also live in Bassetlaw and I used to vote Labour but not since Tony Blair got in, the best thing that has happened to Conservatives in the last few years was Corbyn being made leader of the Labour Party, thousands upon thousands didn’t vote for Labour because of him and rightly so .
I know Margret Thatcher did a lot of wrong things but if she was in power now she would have sorted a lot of the mistakes that has been made by those in charge in the 25 years or so
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Watched Clive Myree on telly this morning probably my favourite Journo, what he said was""the first US citizen to die was in a home for the elderly,French Relatives are taking a law suit against their government due to lives lost in Old folks homes and half the deaths in Germany have happened in old folks homes,four of the most powerful and advanced countries on this planet all wrong footed, hindsight is a wonder full thing Wudda Shudda and Cudda are three twits that have been around for a long time! now wind yer necks in and let's try to make this a better place to live!
The mind boggles how any intelligent person could ever, in good conscience vote for monoxide or Abbott.
I live in Bassetlaw and I voted Labour, not for the candidate but due to Labours policies and Jeremy Corbyn, and if I had a time machine I'd do the exact same again. Look at what's happened under BJ's leadership, Corbyn was calling for action a couple week before Johnson decided to pull his finger out. We would have saved numerous lives with Corbyn in charge, as he would have acted earlier. Rory Stewart was calling for action before Corbyn too, he would have been a million times better leader than BJ.
I also live in Bassetlaw and I used to vote Labour but not since Tony Blair got in, the best thing that has happened to Conservatives in the last few years was Corbyn being made leader of the Labour Party, thousands upon thousands didn’t vote for Labour because of him and rightly so .
I know Margret Thatcher did a lot of wrong things but if she was in power now she would have sorted a lot of the mistakes that has been made by those in charge in the 25 years or so
Lots of common sense in the above two posts.
Well said you two.
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Watched Clive Myree on telly this morning probably my favourite Journo, what he said was""the first US citizen to die was in a home for the elderly,French Relatives are taking a law suit against their government due to lives lost in Old folks homes and half the deaths in Germany have happened in old folks homes,four of the most powerful and advanced countries on this planet all wrong footed, hindsight is a wonder full thing Wudda Shudda and Cudda are three twits that have been around for a long time! now wind yer necks in and let's try to make this a better place to live!
A lot of common sense in that comment, one of the best ways to stop it happening again is to have an immediate full depth inquiry and then put those responsible in court.
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Police and mother of Sasha Johnson urge people to come forward
Not a single guest at a busy party where Black Lives Matter activist Sasha Johnson was shot have come forward with information, police say.
The mum-of-two, 27, was left fighting for her life after being gunned down in Southwark, south London two weeks ago.
She had been at a garden bash attended by around 30 people - but, so far, none of the guests have spoken out as witnesses.
The Met launched a probe in the immediate aftermath and arrested five males in connection with the incident.
Four have since been bailed while Cameron Deriggs, 18, has been charged with conspiracy to murder.
However, detectives have now issued a renewed appeal for information amid the silence from partygoers.
DCI Richard Leonard told the Evening Standard
"The reality is nobody who was at that party has come forward to give us a statement or any further information.
It is absolutely vital that we gather as much information as possible.
We are in regular contact with the family, and quite rightly, they have a lot of questions that are currently unanswered."
Sasha's mother, Ellet Dalling, said: "What has happened to Sasha has left us devastated. She is currently fighting for her life in hospital with two children asking where their mummy is, what do I tell them?
Someone must have information to what happened and to come forward. I believe there are people out there that can help."
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Police and mother of Sasha Johnson urge people to come forward
Not a single guest at a busy party where Black Lives Matter activist Sasha Johnson was shot have come forward with information, police say.
The mum-of-two, 27, was left fighting for her life after being gunned down in Southwark, south London two weeks ago.
She had been at a garden bash attended by around 30 people - but, so far, none of the guests have spoken out as witnesses.
The Met launched a probe in the immediate aftermath and arrested five males in connection with the incident.
Four have since been bailed while Cameron Deriggs, 18, has been charged with conspiracy to murder.
However, detectives have now issued a renewed appeal for information amid the silence from partygoers.
DCI Richard Leonard told the Evening Standard
"The reality is nobody who was at that party has come forward to give us a statement or any further information.
It is absolutely vital that we gather as much information as possible.
We are in regular contact with the family, and quite rightly, they have a lot of questions that are currently unanswered."
Sasha's mother, Ellet Dalling, said: "What has happened to Sasha has left us devastated. She is currently fighting for her life in hospital with two children asking where their mummy is, what do I tell them?
Someone must have information to what happened and to come forward. I believe there are people out there that can help."
Gang culture. Dont speak to the police.
Very loud irony klaxon going off here.
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If society was fair and the police and others did their jobs without prejudice then there would be no requirement for blm, taking a knee or anything else.
There are a very small number of racists in society and another small number that are not (or claim) to be not racists but support them.
There is a larger number in society that want to do something to help and and even larger number that appear to want to stand on the side-lines and say nothing.
Therefore if this larger number took the option to support minorities, support MPs, political parties and other entities that do want to help stamp/kick out racism and prejudice in society then everyone could get back to their lives including football or whatever you do.
If you don't speak up or support or do anything to help make change then you should count yourself as part of the problem.
fair enough?
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Fair post Sydney but you say support political parties that want to help, both tories and labour have had major issues with racism
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Those in law enforcement police by consent. It’s one of the cornerstone principles of living in a democracy. Some people and cultures don’t consent to being policed. Gangs are a good example of this . It’s not been widely publicised but those that stormed that party were looking for a rival gang member. So the BLM female who got shot must have been linked , by association, to a gang otherwise why would they have been there . It’s no wonder no one wants to talk otherwise someone else will get shot no doubt. Society has no place for people who resolve their differences with murder. These are not rational people . You cannot reason with them .
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Fair post Sydney but you say support political parties that want to help, both tories and labour have had major issues with racism
It would probably better to keep the con/lab debate for a separate thread or the debate will disappear down the rabbit hole bp, I deliberately didn't suggest supporting either but only those that supported equality. There are good MPs out there and those not so good can be outed.
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Those in law enforcement police by consent. It’s one of the cornerstone principles of living in a democracy. Some people and cultures don’t consent to being policed. Gangs are a good example of this . It’s not been widely publicised but those that stormed that party were looking for a rival gang member. So the BLM female who got shot must have been linked , by association, to a gang otherwise why would they have been there . It’s no wonder no one wants to talk otherwise someone else will get shot no doubt. Society has no place for people who resolve their differences with murder. These are not rational people . You cannot reason with them .
When I posted the other day that non-whites were more likely to be stopped and searched in reply to your comment you didn't reply, it's 9 times more likely to happen, which means there are major problems running through the force, it can't be blamed on a few rogue officers so it must be being condoned by those higher up. It needs sorting out. Maybe they would have more time if they were not harassing black people.
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I’ll always keep my personal opinion out of these types of discussions so I’ll refer to a single stat, which of course does not paint the whole picture at all, as it only talks about one facet of crime, in this case the most serious.
Between 2017 and 2020, the homicide rate for people of the black ethnic group was 49.5 homicides per million population in England and Wales, far higher than that of the white ethnic group, which was 9.4 victims per million population for the same time period.
The vast majority of these will be knife or firearm related.
The other thing to consider, is that in parts of say Birmingham or London, the only people in certain communities are Afro Caribbean. And i can talk from experience having worked in places like Hackney and Tottenham.
If I were to check the stats in my local area, there would be very few ethnic minorities stop searched, because there aren’t any resident here.
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Those in law enforcement police by consent. It’s one of the cornerstone principles of living in a democracy. Some people and cultures don’t consent to being policed. Gangs are a good example of this . It’s not been widely publicised but those that stormed that party were looking for a rival gang member. So the BLM female who got shot must have been linked , by association, to a gang otherwise why would they have been there . It’s no wonder no one wants to talk otherwise someone else will get shot no doubt. Society has no place for people who resolve their differences with murder. These are not rational people . You cannot reason with them .
When I posted the other day that non-whites were more likely to be stopped and searched in reply to your comment you didn't reply, it's 9 times more likely to happen, which means there are major problems running through the force, it can't be blamed on a few rogue officers so it must be being condoned by those higher up. It needs sorting out. Maybe they would have more time if they were not harassing black people.
stop search stats cannot be viewed in such a broad brush manner. You need to go and live and work in places like the St Ann’s Estate or the Meadows estate in Nottingham where the streets are run by black British or black other gangs. Similar story in the Lozells in and Handsworth in brum.
There are some very extreme community pockets in this country, as there are around the world where cultural saturation means that certain crime groups and by definition ethnicities are very prevalent. It’s no surprise that there is a proportionate amount of very targeted and specific policing of these groups. We are currently experiencing a huge upsurge in Albanian and Romanian crime for instance across the uk. Coventry is rapidly becoming a very concentrated area of Romanian gangs and if you checked the stats there I’m pretty sure there will be an explosion in stop searches of this nationality in this area.
This isn’t racism. It’s proportional to the demographic of that area.
Pop down to Sheffield’s Page Hall estate and see for yourself why certain groups are being stop searched.
I’ve always said, law fearing, law abiding people have nothing to be afraid of by being stop searched. I’m all for a blanket stop search power in fact, without any need for suspicion.
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But there's another aspect though NR.
Black people are disproportionately more likely to get stuffed for possession after speculative stop and search than, for example coked up City boys. Or Cabinet Ministers come to that.
The sum of those targeted microagressions adds up.
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Those in law enforcement police by consent. It’s one of the cornerstone principles of living in a democracy. Some people and cultures don’t consent to being policed. Gangs are a good example of this . It’s not been widely publicised but those that stormed that party were looking for a rival gang member. So the BLM female who got shot must have been linked , by association, to a gang otherwise why would they have been there . It’s no wonder no one wants to talk otherwise someone else will get shot no doubt. Society has no place for people who resolve their differences with murder. These are not rational people . You cannot reason with them .
When I posted the other day that non-whites were more likely to be stopped and searched in reply to your comment you didn't reply, it's 9 times more likely to happen, which means there are major problems running through the force, it can't be blamed on a few rogue officers so it must be being condoned by those higher up. It needs sorting out. Maybe they would have more time if they were not harassing black people.
stop search stats cannot be viewed in such a broad brush manner. You need to go and live and work in places like the St Ann’s Estate or the Meadows estate in Nottingham where the streets are run by black British or black other gangs. Similar story in the Lozells in and Handsworth in brum.
There are some very extreme community pockets in this country, as there are around the world where cultural saturation means that certain crime groups and by definition ethnicities are very prevalent. It’s no surprise that there is a proportionate amount of very targeted and specific policing of these groups. We are currently experiencing a huge upsurge in Albanian and Romanian crime for instance across the uk. Coventry is rapidly becoming a very concentrated area of Romanian gangs and if you checked the stats there I’m pretty sure there will be an explosion in stop searches of this nationality in this area.
This isn’t racism. It’s proportional to the demographic of that area.
Pop down to Sheffield’s Page Hall estate and see for yourself why certain groups are being stop searched.
I’ve always said, law fearing, law abiding people have nothing to be afraid of by being stop searched. I’m all for a blanket stop search power in fact, without any need for suspicion.
NR. Good informative post there.
With regards to the Coventry area that you mentioned, Hexthorpe in Doncaster is suffering similarly with Romanian and Albanians running wild.
There are many local trade people who refuse to go into Hexthorpe to work.
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Two excellent posts from Normal rules, one other factor is that a lot of the criminal acts in these areas is Black on Black violent crime, and as has happy in relation to our Revolutionary lady friend it had appended in a very public place and not one person who was there that night is prepared to say they saw anything!
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One other thing springs to mind, given the total lack of moral fibre displayed by the revellers who were at this ‘party’ . It made
me wonder just what sort of people they all are? and what on earth was Johnson doing ‘socialising’ with that group of society. The old adage ‘you reap what you sow springs to mind’!
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Two excellent posts from Normal rules, one other factor is that a lot of the criminal acts in these areas is Black on Black violent crime, and as has happy in relation to our Revolutionary lady friend it had appended in a very public place and not one person who was there that night is prepared to say they saw anything!
Sproty is either a member of the Met Police team investigating the shooting - or making stuff up and posting it on a public forum. We can all guess which it is.
As to why, well...
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Good news about the BLM member convicted of holding explosives and terrorism offences. Second one in a couple of months too, I am suprised no-one has mentioned it here?
Oh apologies they were white, right-wing and encouraging the killing of blacks, now I am not so suprised.
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Hexthorpe is shocking - sister had place down there a few years back, but has now had to move...
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So it looks as though the police not only discriminate against black people, there are large areas in the country where there are not enough resources or they are not making the area safe or both?
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Those in law enforcement police by consent. It’s one of the cornerstone principles of living in a democracy. Some people and cultures don’t consent to being policed. Gangs are a good example of this . It’s not been widely publicised but those that stormed that party were looking for a rival gang member. So the BLM female who got shot must have been linked , by association, to a gang otherwise why would they have been there . It’s no wonder no one wants to talk otherwise someone else will get shot no doubt. Society has no place for people who resolve their differences with murder. These are not rational people . You cannot reason with them .
When I posted the other day that non-whites were more likely to be stopped and searched in reply to your comment you didn't reply, it's 9 times more likely to happen, which means there are major problems running through the force, it can't be blamed on a few rogue officers so it must be being condoned by those higher up. It needs sorting out. Maybe they would have more time if they were not harassing black people.
stop search stats cannot be viewed in such a broad brush manner. You need to go and live and work in places like the St Ann’s Estate or the Meadows estate in Nottingham where the streets are run by black British or black other gangs. Similar story in the Lozells in and Handsworth in brum.
There are some very extreme community pockets in this country, as there are around the world where cultural saturation means that certain crime groups and by definition ethnicities are very prevalent. It’s no surprise that there is a proportionate amount of very targeted and specific policing of these groups. We are currently experiencing a huge upsurge in Albanian and Romanian crime for instance across the uk. Coventry is rapidly becoming a very concentrated area of Romanian gangs and if you checked the stats there I’m pretty sure there will be an explosion in stop searches of this nationality in this area.
This isn’t racism. It’s proportional to the demographic of that area.
Pop down to Sheffield’s Page Hall estate and see for yourself why certain groups are being stop searched.
I’ve always said, law fearing, law abiding people have nothing to be afraid of by being stop searched. I’m all for a blanket stop search power in fact, without any need for suspicion.
''People from a Black, Asian, ‘Mixed’ or ‘Chinese and other’ background were over-represented as defendants in the criminal justice system in 2019, according to Ministry of Justice (MoJ) data.
This was largely because people from these ethnic groups made up a disproportionate share of people arrested, and this carried through to the prosecution, conviction, and imprisonment stages. The MoJ categorises these ethnic groups as ‘BAME’''
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-what-does-recent-data-say/
''Plea decisions are critical in the criminal justice system
(CPS). This chapter identifies a stark difference in plea
decisions between Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME)
and White ethnic groups and examines its consequences
for BAME disproportionality:
• The CJS provides incentives for those who have
committed crimes to admit guilt, to prevent the stress
placed on victims. For example, those who plead guilty
can see sentences reduce by a third, or gain access to
interventions which seek to keep them out of prison
altogether.104
• However, BAME defendants are consistently more likely
to plead not guilty than White defendants.105 This means
that, if found guilty, they are likely to face more punitive
sentences than if they had admitted guilt.
• The primary reason for this difference in plea decisions is
a lack of trust in the CJS among BAME communities.106
This makes BAME defendants less likely to cooperate
with the police or trust the advice of legal aid solicitors,
who can be seen as part of the ‘system’.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/643001/lammy-review-final-report.pdf#page=27
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So it looks as though the police not only discriminate against black people, there are large areas in the country where there are not enough resources or they are not making the area safe or both?
have you ever been to any of these places Sydney? What rss do you expect them to put there? How can they make many places safe if they don't do stop and search? Your clearly a intelligent guy Sydney but how do you expect the police to go into a estate/town with large amounts of gangs or criminals and make it safe without stop and search and possibly arresting people as you will just say they are racist or discriminating against people?
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So it looks as though the police not only discriminate against black people, there are large areas in the country where there are not enough resources or they are not making the area safe or both?
have you ever been to any of these places Sydney? What rss do you expect them to put there? How can they make many places safe if they don't do stop and search? Your clearly a intelligent guy Sydney but how do you expect the police to go into a estate/town with large amounts of gangs or criminals and make it safe without stop and search and possibly arresting people as you will just say they are racist or discriminating against people?
Have you bp, did you read the links about research into why bame people come off second best in society, or are you jumping straight into a debate without reading up on the facts?
The subject of discrimination against minorities has been well researched and documented for a long time, there is lots out there, I'm not sure what the comments you are referring to are trying to prove either, do you? are those comments supposed to be a counter argument to the research, what are you trying to say the research is incorrect?
Show me some research and or facts to support whatever you are trying to say, because it's unclear atm and then I'll respond bp
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Funny how the family are backing the police to try and find out the perpetrator's of the crime, the very institution the group who she was one of the leaders of want to defund.
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Funny how the family are backing the police to try and find out the perpetrator's of the crime, the very institution the group who she was one of the leaders of want to defund.
Funny or have you misunderstood yet again?
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Glad to see that even the attempted murder of someone isn't too low to stoop for you to try and wind people up and point score, selby. I admire your commitment to the windup.
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A second 18 year old man has been charged with conspiracy to murder.
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Those in law enforcement police by consent. It’s one of the cornerstone principles of living in a democracy. Some people and cultures don’t consent to being policed. Gangs are a good example of this . It’s not been widely publicised but those that stormed that party were looking for a rival gang member. So the BLM female who got shot must have been linked , by association, to a gang otherwise why would they have been there . It’s no wonder no one wants to talk otherwise someone else will get shot no doubt. Society has no place for people who resolve their differences with murder. These are not rational people . You cannot reason with them .
When I posted the other day that non-whites were more likely to be stopped and searched in reply to your comment you didn't reply, it's 9 times more likely to happen, which means there are major problems running through the force, it can't be blamed on a few rogue officers so it must be being condoned by those higher up. It needs sorting out. Maybe they would have more time if they were not harassing black people.
stop search stats cannot be viewed in such a broad brush manner. You need to go and live and work in places like the St Ann’s Estate or the Meadows estate in Nottingham where the streets are run by black British or black other gangs. Similar story in the Lozells in and Handsworth in brum.
There are some very extreme community pockets in this country, as there are around the world where cultural saturation means that certain crime groups and by definition ethnicities are very prevalent. It’s no surprise that there is a proportionate amount of very targeted and specific policing of these groups. We are currently experiencing a huge upsurge in Albanian and Romanian crime for instance across the uk. Coventry is rapidly becoming a very concentrated area of Romanian gangs and if you checked the stats there I’m pretty sure there will be an explosion in stop searches of this nationality in this area.
This isn’t racism. It’s proportional to the demographic of that area.
Pop down to Sheffield’s Page Hall estate and see for yourself why certain groups are being stop searched.
I’ve always said, law fearing, law abiding people have nothing to be afraid of by being stop searched. I’m all for a blanket stop search power in fact, without any need for suspicion.
''People from a Black, Asian, ‘Mixed’ or ‘Chinese and other’ background were over-represented as defendants in the criminal justice system in 2019, according to Ministry of Justice (MoJ) data.
This was largely because people from these ethnic groups made up a disproportionate share of people arrested, and this carried through to the prosecution, conviction, and imprisonment stages. The MoJ categorises these ethnic groups as ‘BAME’''
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-what-does-recent-data-say/
''Plea decisions are critical in the criminal justice system
(CPS). This chapter identifies a stark difference in plea
decisions between Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME)
and White ethnic groups and examines its consequences
for BAME disproportionality:
• The CJS provides incentives for those who have
committed crimes to admit guilt, to prevent the stress
placed on victims. For example, those who plead guilty
can see sentences reduce by a third, or gain access to
interventions which seek to keep them out of prison
altogether.104
• However, BAME defendants are consistently more likely
to plead not guilty than White defendants.105 This means
that, if found guilty, they are likely to face more punitive
sentences than if they had admitted guilt.
• The primary reason for this difference in plea decisions is
a lack of trust in the CJS among BAME communities.106
This makes BAME defendants less likely to cooperate
with the police or trust the advice of legal aid solicitors,
who can be seen as part of the ‘system’.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/643001/lammy-review-final-report.pdf#page=27
I am happy to tell you Sydders that there are a lot of Black 'shirt fronts' in South Yorkshire but they are outnumbered 20 to 1 by White 'shirt fronts', some of whom may be racist but most of whom see the general public as their Prey! Now in certain parts you have large concentrations of BAME folks and they make up the vast proportion of victims because they are on the doorstep and easy to pick on. Things are made worse because libertine 'soft' middle englanders like yourself ! Like to call the Police for trying to do their job in these difficult areas!
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Good news about the BLM member convicted of holding explosives and terrorism offences. Second one in a couple of months too, I am suprised no-one has mentioned it here?
Oh apologies they were white, right-wing and encouraging the killing of blacks, now I am not so suprised.
Nice one Wilts I thought you were an adult! Why didn't you start a thread on this topic instead of being silly?
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Those in law enforcement police by consent. It’s one of the cornerstone principles of living in a democracy. Some people and cultures don’t consent to being policed. Gangs are a good example of this . It’s not been widely publicised but those that stormed that party were looking for a rival gang member. So the BLM female who got shot must have been linked , by association, to a gang otherwise why would they have been there . It’s no wonder no one wants to talk otherwise someone else will get shot no doubt. Society has no place for people who resolve their differences with murder. These are not rational people . You cannot reason with them .
When I posted the other day that non-whites were more likely to be stopped and searched in reply to your comment you didn't reply, it's 9 times more likely to happen, which means there are major problems running through the force, it can't be blamed on a few rogue officers so it must be being condoned by those higher up. It needs sorting out. Maybe they would have more time if they were not harassing black people.
stop search stats cannot be viewed in such a broad brush manner. You need to go and live and work in places like the St Ann’s Estate or the Meadows estate in Nottingham where the streets are run by black British or black other gangs. Similar story in the Lozells in and Handsworth in brum.
There are some very extreme community pockets in this country, as there are around the world where cultural saturation means that certain crime groups and by definition ethnicities are very prevalent. It’s no surprise that there is a proportionate amount of very targeted and specific policing of these groups. We are currently experiencing a huge upsurge in Albanian and Romanian crime for instance across the uk. Coventry is rapidly becoming a very concentrated area of Romanian gangs and if you checked the stats there I’m pretty sure there will be an explosion in stop searches of this nationality in this area.
This isn’t racism. It’s proportional to the demographic of that area.
Pop down to Sheffield’s Page Hall estate and see for yourself why certain groups are being stop searched.
I’ve always said, law fearing, law abiding people have nothing to be afraid of by being stop searched. I’m all for a blanket stop search power in fact, without any need for suspicion.
''People from a Black, Asian, ‘Mixed’ or ‘Chinese and other’ background were over-represented as defendants in the criminal justice system in 2019, according to Ministry of Justice (MoJ) data.
This was largely because people from these ethnic groups made up a disproportionate share of people arrested, and this carried through to the prosecution, conviction, and imprisonment stages. The MoJ categorises these ethnic groups as ‘BAME’''
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-what-does-recent-data-say/
''Plea decisions are critical in the criminal justice system
(CPS). This chapter identifies a stark difference in plea
decisions between Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME)
and White ethnic groups and examines its consequences
for BAME disproportionality:
• The CJS provides incentives for those who have
committed crimes to admit guilt, to prevent the stress
placed on victims. For example, those who plead guilty
can see sentences reduce by a third, or gain access to
interventions which seek to keep them out of prison
altogether.104
• However, BAME defendants are consistently more likely
to plead not guilty than White defendants.105 This means
that, if found guilty, they are likely to face more punitive
sentences than if they had admitted guilt.
• The primary reason for this difference in plea decisions is
a lack of trust in the CJS among BAME communities.106
This makes BAME defendants less likely to cooperate
with the police or trust the advice of legal aid solicitors,
who can be seen as part of the ‘system’.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/643001/lammy-review-final-report.pdf#page=27
I am happy to tell you Sydders that there are a lot of Black 'shirt fronts' in South Yorkshire but they are outnumbered 20 to 1 by White 'shirt fronts', some of whom may be racist but most of whom see the general public as their Prey! Now in certain parts you have large concentrations of BAME folks and they make up the vast proportion of victims because they are on the doorstep and easy to pick on. Things are made worse because libertine 'soft' middle englanders like yourself ! Like to call the Police for trying to do their job in these difficult areas!
If you explain what you're on about we'll both know sprot, if it's in anyway trying to say the research is incorrect save it for the yes men on the forum, some of the comment on this thread read like victim blaming to me.
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One of the many reasons why many people support blm
''‘Really surreal’: moment BLM activist rescued far-right protester from mob''
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/14/really-surreal-moment-blm-activist-rescued-far-right-protester-from-mob