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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Redandwhite on May 31, 2021, 10:33:30 am
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See they are using this tactic again in order to pre condition us for an inevitable delay in lockdown easing . (I'm sure there's a name for this tactic?)
Normally I wouldnt be too bothered about this news, but with pre season not too far away, and a new season round the corner, how will this affect fans returning to stadiums as normal?
And if it will affect the sale of season tickets ?
Do rovers have contingency plans in place ?
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They probably have a number of contingency plans in place.
They're probably not waiting for it to be flagged up on the internet.
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Panicking aren't they as we've hit 4k cases in a day since March, yet it's almost back to normal life now barring mass events. Vaccines are clearly working to only be having that many cases
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No extra strain on NHS due to vaccinations, we need to get on with life.
The only strain on hospitals is catching up with everything that has been missed over the last year such as cancer operations
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Well if people would use common sense when they are out and about their might be no delays
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Well if people would use common sense when they are out and about their might be no delays
Totally agree. On Saturday I witnessed a young fit chap at our local supermarket park in the disabled area and then enter the shop with no mask. To make matters worse he belonged to one of the groups that have a low up take of the vaccine.
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Well if people would use common sense when they are out and about their might be no delays
Totally agree. On Saturday I witnessed a young fit chap at our local supermarket park in the disabled area and then enter the shop with no mask. To make matters worse he belonged to one of the groups that have a low up take of the vaccine.
I'm afraid that is the generation that we have to live with. Arrogant, selfish don't give a shit about anything or anybody but themselves. The me me me culture. Scumbags.
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I was walking the other day and two chaos in their 60s were talking, with a distance of about a metre between them. Problem is one was standing on the kerb and the other by the wall. There was nowhere else to go (other than into a busy road) than to walk between them, which I did. Which resulted in a mouthful from one of them that would make a sailor blush. When I pointed out that they could stand at a similar distance but both be on the curb or both by the wall which would let people past without getting close to them I got another earful and called a “smart arsed c***”.
Extraordinarily selfish and a complete lack of self-awareness. You get them in all generations I’m afraid, it’s not unique to the young.
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Very true took the dog for a walk at the coast yesterday and basically the amount of people of all ages not distancing, wearing masks and generally not giving a sh@te was staggering but I’m sure they will be the first to moan if 21st gets pushed back. Needless to say I didn’t stay long.
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I see this is now in off topic, fair enough given the way the conversation has gone .
I initially started it to talk how it impacted rovers specifically. Neh mind
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I was walking the other day and two chaos in their 60s were talking, with a distance of about a metre between them. Problem is one was standing on the kerb and the other by the wall. There was nowhere else to go (other than into a busy road) than to walk between them, which I did. Which resulted in a mouthful from one of them that would make a sailor blush. When I pointed out that they could stand at a similar distance but both be on the curb or both by the wall which would let people past without getting close to them I got another earful and called a “smart arsed c***”.
Extraordinarily selfish and a complete lack of self-awareness. You get them in all generations I’m afraid, it’s not unique to the young.
Precisely this. One of the people in my team at work always mouths off about "the young - but not you". All age groups have a minority of noticeable Kitsons.
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We’re just back from four nights in the camper up in the lakes and the only age group not adhering to the toilet band system ( only allowed three people in at a time) we’re the older ones. Folk are too quick to blame the young generation for everything. I sit in the middle at 52 and am obviously perfect!
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Well if people would use common sense when they are out and about their might be no delays
Totally agree. On Saturday I witnessed a young fit chap at our local supermarket park in the disabled area and then enter the shop with no mask. To make matters worse he belonged to one of the groups that have a low up take of the vaccine.
I'm afraid that is the generation that we have to live with. Arrogant, selfish don't give a shit about anything or anybody but themselves. The me me me culture. Scumbags.
The sooner they cop a dose of Covid the better.
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Well if people would use common sense when they are out and about their might be no delays
Totally agree. On Saturday I witnessed a young fit chap at our local supermarket park in the disabled area and then enter the shop with no mask. To make matters worse he belonged to one of the groups that have a low up take of the vaccine.
I'm afraid that is the generation that we have to live with. Arrogant, selfish don't give a shit about anything or anybody but themselves. The me me me culture. Scumbags.
The sooner they cop a dose of Covid the better.
Glynn, some of them will eventually do that, no doubt.
We (us older posters that is) shouldn’t criticise them though because they are paying our pensions.
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We're in a race to get people vaccinated so we can safely open up. It's not yet clear if we are winning this race. We will only begin to find out in two or three weeks time.
For me, they should've held back before opening the pubs up. That would have given us more time to get data on the Indian variant, get needles into the over 30s and second doses into over 40s whilst restricting the spread of the varient.
It was obvious that opening pubs and indoor venues would allow the spread of this highly transmissible variant through younger unvaccinated people. Then risking that group passing it on to older people who have only been vaccinated the once.
That's where we are now.
It looks very much like they are going to have to delay the next stage. They might even be forced to bring in more restrictions again if hospitals start filling up. So far they aren't, thank goodness but it's still too soon to tell if they've broken the link between infection and hospitalisation.
They said they would be driven by data not dates. So why are these dates now so set in stone?
If there is a significant third wave, it will be entirely the governments fault.
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We’ve already had a 3rd wave in the North
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Well if people would use common sense when they are out and about their might be no delays
Totally agree. On Saturday I witnessed a young fit chap at our local supermarket park in the disabled area and then enter the shop with no mask. To make matters worse he belonged to one of the groups that have a low up take of the vaccine.
I'm afraid that is the generation that we have to live with. Arrogant, selfish don't give a shit about anything or anybody but themselves. The me me me culture. Scumbags.
The sooner they cop a dose of Covid the better.
Glynn, some of them will eventually do that, no doubt.
We (us older posters that is) shouldn’t criticise them though because they are paying our pensions.
I mean anybody who ignores basic Covid safety, of whatever age they are.
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I’m in Skeggy, social distancing abandoned altogether here, Ingoldmells yesterday was rammed and Skeggy today was rammed, this bank holiday has the potential to be a super spreader weekend
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I’m in Skeggy, social distancing abandoned altogether here, Ingoldmells yesterday was rammed and Skeggy today was rammed, this bank holiday has the potential to be a super spreader weekend
My folks there and in Mablethorpe told me there'd been virtually no Covid there over the past year because they were on the edge of the country. I hope this isn't going to change now.
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I’m in Skeggy, social distancing abandoned altogether here, Ingoldmells yesterday was rammed and Skeggy today was rammed, this bank holiday has the potential to be a super spreader weekend
Very busy in York today. Lots of tourists, no obvious social distancing, hardly anyone wearing masks in the crowds.
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f**k me have you heard your selves? It's following exactly the same pattern as last summer and that was without vaccines.
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f**k me have you heard your selves? It's following exactly the same pattern as last summer and that was without vaccines.
Yeah. This time last year, the number of daily nee cases was halving every 15 days. Currently it is doubling every 20 days.
Exactly the same pattern.
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Zero deaths today.
Doubling cases WITH a vaccine. Interesting, very interesting.
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Zero deaths because prevalence is very low.
Increasing numbers because we have a highly virulent new strain, with reducing social distancing, vaccines that we know do not provide 100% Immunity against catching COVID and 25% of the population still to receive a first jab.
Simple. Very simple.
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While I think if the numbers increase we should delay, have the numbers not decreased since the 4K from the other day?
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New vaccine, new varients. Very handy.
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4182 cases 3 days ago, 3111 today.
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We’re just back from four nights in the camper up in the lakes and the only age group not adhering to the toilet band system ( only allowed three people in at a time) we’re the older ones. Folk are too quick to blame the young generation for everything. I sit in the middle at 52 and am obviously perfect!
The only trouble is the older you get the quicker it becomes desperate :)
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At the minute the government are rightly waiting to see what the numbers are nearer the time, I don’t know how anyone can expect anything else
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At the minute the government are rightly waiting to see what the numbers are nearer the time, I don’t know how anyone can expect anything else
Exactly mate, but that won’t stop some people looking for excuses to have a pop.
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4182 cases 3 days ago, 3111 today.
Not so simple maths if those numbers represent doubling every 20 days.
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4182 cases 3 days ago, 3111 today.
Jesus, it's like the last 15 months never happened.
You are quoting the figures released today which are the number of cases reported yesterday. Which was a Sunday.
The Monday release is ALWAYS the lowest if the week. Comparing Monday figures with Friday figures tells you nothing.
On top of that, there are inevitable peaks and troughs anyway, so even comparing Monday this week with Monday last week isn't necessarily helpful.
The simple way to deal with this is to look at how the seven day average evolves. It is currently increasing quite quickly. Not terrifyingly quickly, but the worry is that the rate of increase is going up quite sharply. If that actually IS happening then fully ending all legal requirements for social distancing is going to throw petrol on a smouldering fire. The new infections would increase very rapidly and while not many people would die (because most of the critically vulnerable have been jabbed) there would be a lot of intensive care cases among non-vaccinated younger people. So the concern now is that the NHS has the summer back in full on COVID crisis mode, and ordinary treatments get put off again.
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New vaccine, new varients. Very handy.
You insist you're not a conspiracy theorist, but you see conspiracies in every argument.
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The number of cases is not always lower on a Monday or weekend it’s normally the deaths that are different
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4182 cases 3 days ago, 3111 today.
Let's see the figures come Weds Thursday before we jump to any conclusions
I wonder if as the Govt says they follow the science whether the scientists are putting the boot in early ........ we told you so!
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The number of cases is not always lower on a Monday or weekend it’s normally the deaths that are different
So that is a different point of view bpool.
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It might not necessarily be helpful but there are 944 more new cases compared with last Monday.
The hopeful news is hospital admissions are a bit lower compared with last week.
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Thing is, there isn't such a thing as a "point of view" about facts. Facts are facts. You don't change them by having different opinion about them.
Monday figures are in red in the graph below. With just one or two exceptions, the Monday figures are always around the lowest of any given consecutive 7 days.
Currently, regardless of BB and Hound's interpretations of simple numbers, new cases as a seven day average are doubling around every 20 days. That's not a disaster at the moment, but we are still having heavy social distancing at the moment. The danger is how that will take off if we cancel all social distancing in three weeks. Which is why we should all hope that we get on top of the current increase.
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It might not necessarily be helpful but there are 944 more new cases compared with last Monday.
The hopeful news is hospital admissions are a bit lower compared with last week.
Precisely. That is roughly a 25% increase in a week. Which has been more or less the figure that you'd get for the past few days, if you take that day's numbers and compare them to the numbers 7 days before.
25% increase in a week is equivalent to just about a doubling every 3 weeks. Which broadly ties in with what I said about cases increasing at a rate commensurate with doubling every 20 days at the moment.
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Are we cancelling social distancing in three weeks though.
I have just had a few days away on the East coast and all the businesses there were very strict about keeping customers to the rules, seating arrangements and numbers in shops etc.
They all know that if they don’t continue to do that there is the risk of further lockdowns.
People have to learn how to behave and sadly there will always be those who don’t give a monkeys and do whatever they want, irrespective of whether the June 21st decision is changed or not.
After June 21st I think that sensible people and businesses will still insist on social distancing and the limiting of numbers of people allowed into restaurants and pubs etc.
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Hound
I meant ending the legal imposition of social lockdown.
The model figures I saw earlier this weekend said that if the India variant really is 50% more transmissible than the Kent one, and we end the legal requirement for social distancing on 21 June, August will see a higher peak in intensive care cases than either last April or this January. And that would inevitably mean another hard lockdown this Summer.
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The point being that the modelling takes into account the likelihood that some businesses would play things uber-cautious. But if a lot don't, the virus will still rip through the population very, very quickly.
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https://twitter.com/dontbetyet/status/1399485443050291204?s=19
My conspiracy.