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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: BillyStubbsTears on June 04, 2021, 01:22:05 pm
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This is astonishing.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1400396523188408321
Analysis of voting in the 2019 GE.
Basically, if you exclude the retired, Labour would have won a landslide. The only group in which the Tories would have beaten them is in people with household incomes >£100k.
But when you include the retired, the Tories won across the board, including among very poor retirees.
And we know from opinion polling that the retired are the most agitated by the Culture War. They, on average, are less supportive of foreigners, non-whites, people with non-conventional sexuality and basically, change in general.
So the Tories will relentlessly play on this. They are now the party of the reactionary old.
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There's a lot of anecdotal evidence around these parts to support that too bst.
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I saw this yesterday. Kind of puts the "Labour lost the working class" meme to bed doesn't it?
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Labour are more interested in the shirking class than the working class.
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Labour are more interested in the shirking class than the working class.
I’d rather a small percentage of money go to people that don’t want to work than a large percentage go to Boris’ cronies and subsidising millionaires and billionaires.
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This has been known about in Labour circles for a long time.
The astonishing bit is that Starmer thinks that a strategy of pitching to elderly home owners in former red wall seats is a reasonable tactic.
There is no possible pathway to power via this route.
It is even harder once the loss of Scottish seats and the boundary changes are taken into account.
Complete misdirection from the leadership, in my view.
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I think it's a natural progression where people dispose of their "angry young man" attitude and tend to go more right-wing as they mature and base their political views on their experiences.
Of course, not everyone does take that normal route and some just go from "angry young man" to "angry old man", and don't really progress at all.
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Much simpler than that, BB.
It is about the perception of self interest.
Elders who have worked hard to get their own house want to preserve the progress they think they have made.
There is a widespread belief that the Tories will support those groups on whose votes they rely, so they buy into the rest of the agenda to secure their material gains.
What is interesting is that it a myth that these groups will not also be targeted, particularly if you have a dependence on NHS services, or social care provision.
What you believe is more powerful than what is actually true.
Such are the sad times we are living in.
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What is interesting is that it a myth that these groups will not also be targeted, particularly if you have a dependence on NHS services, or social care provision.
Or even if you had an interest in simply staying alive last winter, when 100,000 pensioners died early, many due to deliberate Govt policy.
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How many people died under the last Labour leadership due to deliberate Govt policy?
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How many UK pensioners? I've no idea. I assume you do so why don't you tell us?
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Oh, so it's only citizens of the UK's lives' that count is it? I wonder what you'd have called me if I'd have said that!
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....And while we're at it, how many UK pensioners would have died in Starmer's watch under the EU vaccine programme that he was so eager to sign onto?
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Oh, so it's only citizens of the UK's lives' that count is it? I wonder what you'd have called me if I'd have said that!
No. It's UK pensioners that we are discussing. Stop moving the goalposts.
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Meanwhile, back on theme and right on cue, the new Tory MP for Ashfield is having a meltdown about the England football team taking a knee. And so it goes on ...
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This is astonishing.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1400396523188408321
Analysis of voting in the 2019 GE.
Basically, if you exclude the retired, Labour would have won a landslide. The only group in which the Tories would have beaten them is in people with household incomes >£100k.
But when you include the retired, the Tories won across the board, including among very poor retirees.
And we know from opinion polling that the retired are the most agitated by the Culture War. They, on average, are less supportive of foreigners, non-whites, people with non-conventional sexuality and basically, change in general.
So the Tories will relentlessly play on this. They are now the party of the reactionary old.
Alternatively , maybe the Labour Party is just a middle class pressure group these days .
https://www.ft.com/content/9d09e0d6-a456-4b09-98e8-9efafdd709ad
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Oh, so it's only citizens of the UK's lives' that count is it? I wonder what you'd have called me if I'd have said that!
No. It's UK pensioners that we are discussing. Stop moving the goalposts.
We are discussing the role of the culture war. I'm suggesting a reason as to why the older, more mature UK citizens vote more right-wing as an alternative to your accusation of them being racist, greedy and homophobic.
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And once again BB drags an important discussion into the shit. I didn't make any such accusations. f**king grow up for once.
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And so the insults begin! Who needs to give answers when a good old insult will do!
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*irony overload*
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There's a lot of anecdotal evidence around these parts to support that too bst.
"These parts"? Do you mean in Aussie, or on this forum?
If it's on this forum, let's see some examples.
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Meanwhile, back on theme and right on cue, the new Tory MP for Ashfield is having a meltdown about the England football team taking a knee. And so it goes on ...
So what ??
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I wonder if all those fans at Middlesbrough who booed the players taking the knee were all conservative voters.
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This is astonishing.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1400396523188408321
Analysis of voting in the 2019 GE.
Basically, if you exclude the retired, Labour would have won a landslide. The only group in which the Tories would have beaten them is in people with household incomes >£100k.
But when you include the retired, the Tories won across the board, including among very poor retirees.
And we know from opinion polling that the retired are the most agitated by the Culture War. They, on average, are less supportive of foreigners, non-whites, people with non-conventional sexuality and basically, change in general.
So the Tories will relentlessly play on this. They are now the party of the reactionary old.
I remember Derek Adams saying that Plymouth would be top of the league if Tuesday games weren’t included in the table.
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I wonder if all those fans at Middlesbrough who booed the players taking the knee were all conservative voters.
Wash your mouth out, Hound, of course, they were! All Tory supporters are racists and all Labour supporters are squeaky clean and perfectly wonderful.
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I wonder if all those fans at Middlesbrough who booed the players taking the knee were all conservative voters.
Wash your mouth out, Hound, of course, they were! All Tory supporters are racists and all Labour supporters are squeaky clean and perfectly wonderful.
Forgetting Labour foreign policies killed millions of muslims in their own country .
It's a remarkable irony .
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I'll post this up again, a study that shows when people become wealthy, which is relative I guess they tend to vote more conservatively to protect it, which can be described as pulling up the ladder.
https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/research/workingpapers/2014/twerp_1039_oswald.pdf
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So if that's the case it would be detrimental for the Labour party to have a policy of people getting wealthy.
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So if that's the case it would be detrimental for the Labour party to have a policy of people getting wealthy.
Precisely.
Why would anyone want to vote for a Party that didn’t help them to improve their lifestyle.
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So if that's the case it would be detrimental for the Labour party to have a policy of people getting wealthy.
Precisely.
Why would anyone want to vote for a Party that didn’t help them to improve their lifestyle.
No not precisely as 2 =2 still doesn't equal three, and if you can show where labour have worked to stop people improving their lifestyle it would go a long way to making your argument credible hound.
It's always been a conundrum for labour but one which they have to work with and appeal to voters that want to share a country's wealth equitably and show the the benefits of taking that route.
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So if that's the case it would be detrimental for the Labour party to have a policy of people getting wealthy.
Precisely.
Why would anyone want to vote for a Party that didn’t help them to improve their lifestyle.
No not precisely as 2 =2 still doesn't equal three, and if you can show where labour have worked to stop people improving their lifestyle it would go a long way to making your argument credible hound.
It's always been a conundrum for labour but one which they have to work with and appeal to voters that want to share a country's wealth equitably and show the the benefits of taking that route.
What did they do in the old industrial heartlands during the 13 years they were in power from 1997 ?
Genuine question .
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You tell me tyke, it sounds like your dying to, but please include who you intend to support to actually get into government if voters have already walked away from the far left, and as the link that bst put up shows it's not labour workers.
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You tell me tyke, it sounds like your dying to, but please include who you intend to support to actually get into government if voters have already walked away from the far left, and as the link that bst put up shows it's not labour workers.
It's a fairly simple question Sydney .
If you want to introduce far left politics or what link BST put up then that's up to you .
I'll have another go .
What economic policies through 13 years in government did the Labour Party introduce that raised living standards in the former industrial heartlands ?
You'd imagine after 13 years they'd be at least something .
Just answer the question please .
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I suspect Sydney's waiting for The Duke to appear!
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Hound.
It's an observation of where the fault lines are in our society. They are not where they used to be. 40 years ago the separation between Tory and Labour supporters used to be defined by wealth. It still is among people who are still in the workforce. But among the retired, even the poorest have a majority supporting the Tories. And that's after the worst economic decade in 200 years (fact, not opinion). Which screams out that what influences the voting of older people today is culture, not economics. And the Tories are playing on that - successfully so as the microcosm of this place affirms.
The fascinating question is what happens as that older generation leaves the scene and the younger generation which broadly embraces the cultural changes of the last few decades replaces them. Which is why my take is that it would be long term suicide for Labour to pander to the cultural attitudes of the current retired generation. That would alienate the next two generations. We saw that when Corbyn came out for Brexit 2 years ago.
Regarding your comment about Adams and Plymouth, I haven't got a clue what that has to do with anything. No one is saying the pensioner vote should be ignored in election results.
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There you go Sydney, you've had the expert opinion of the 'real deal', now how about about answering Tyke's question?
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I suspect Sydney's waiting for The Duke to appear!
nothing to say = personal insults, it reminds me of when adults are talking and the kids are screaming for attention
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Tyke.
You ache for a return to a past that ain't coming back. What the last Labour Govt did was to try to put some of the long term measures in place to give the post Industrial North a future. That isn't going to be based on re-opening the pits and the steel works. It's about raising educational standards and getting well paid jobs in the knowledge economy. Look at the AMRC on the edge of Sheffield. Hi-tech manufacturing jobs based on world leading University research and bringing in investment from Boeing, Airbus, McLaren and Rolls Royce. That was set up with massive financial support from the last Labour Govt and the EU. That's where the future is. The blame for the fact that the North has since borne the brunt of Austerity and hasn't built on springboards like that lies elsewhere.
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Sydney, forget me, just answer Tykes question.
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Tyke.
You ache for a return to a past that ain't coming back. What the last Labour Govt did was to try to put some of the long term measures in place to give the post Industrial North a future. That isn't going to be based on re-opening the pits and the steel works. It's about raising educational standards and getting well paid jobs in the knowledge economy. Look at the AMRC on the edge of Sheffield. Hi-tech manufacturing jobs based on world leading University research and bringing in investment from Boeing, Airbus, McLaren and Rolls Royce. That was set up with massive financial support from the last Labour Govt and the EU. That's where the future is. The blame for the fact that the North has since borne the brunt of Austerity and hasn't built on springboards like that lies elsewhere.
Great answer BST, except, it wasn't an answer, was it!
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Meanwhile, the whole culture war issue is that the Right has nothing whatsoever to offer economically to those left behind in the post Industrial North. So it plays on cultural issues. It stokes feels against The Other. The Ashfield MP, effectively telling black English footballers to stop their stance against racism which everyone of them personally experiences is a perfect example of it.
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.......Aannndddd, here's the race card!
you simply CANNOT make it up!
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You tell me tyke, it sounds like your dying to, but please include who you intend to support to actually get into government if voters have already walked away from the far left, and as the link that bst put up shows it's not labour workers.
It's a fairly simple question Sydney .
If you want to introduce far left politics or what link BST put up then that's up to you .
I'll have another go .
What economic policies through 13 years in government did the Labour Party introduce that raised living standards in the former industrial heartlands ?
You'd imagine after 13 years they'd be at least something .
Just answer the question please .
''I think there's a fairly reasonable explanation why nobody can land a solid punch on Johnson and his corrupt government .
There's enough people who are doing alright thank you very much so who cares what Johnson does or doesn't do .
Whilst ever there are more than enough doing alright as opposed to those who aren't then PM's and governments are practically bullet proof .
I could never understand why the country repeatedly voted for Thatcher in the 80's , drove me crazy as an NUM man .
It wasn't until I was older I realised that she made sure enough people did very well out of her .
Why would Essex man care about my job prospects and community in South Yorkshire ? .
So how does that fit in with ditching Starmer and putting another leftwing leader in?''
As I see it you are going to persist with a far left agenda at the expense of government.
Just answer this question please.
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Still waiting Sydney....
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..DUKE! WHERE THE f**k ARE YOU?
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Still waiting Sydney....
that's because basically you're still a child bb
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Not really mate. It's because you've decided to lend your support to a minority vote that basically means f**k all in the real world, and only gives you feelings of grandeur when it's based on the extreme activity of a handful of antigovernmental people, such as this third division football forum.
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Not really mate. It's because you've decided to lend your support to a minority vote that basically means f**k all in the real world, and only gives you feelings of grandeur when it's based on the extreme activity of a handful of antigovernmental people, such as this third division football forum.
You're still a child screaming for attention on the third tier football forum bb
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Tyke.
You ache for a return to a past that ain't coming back. What the last Labour Govt did was to try to put some of the long term measures in place to give the post Industrial North a future. That isn't going to be based on re-opening the pits and the steel works. It's about raising educational standards and getting well paid jobs in the knowledge economy. Look at the AMRC on the edge of Sheffield. Hi-tech manufacturing jobs based on world leading University research and bringing in investment from Boeing, Airbus, McLaren and Rolls Royce. That was set up with massive financial support from the last Labour Govt and the EU. That's where the future is. The blame for the fact that the North has since borne the brunt of Austerity and hasn't built on springboards like that lies elsewhere.
I don't think I alluded to the reopening of old industries , once a mine is mothballed that's it , once a steel works closes it's the same .
I return to no past Billy , earning a living underground ? , your havin a laff fella .
Thatcher threw us on the scrap heap .
Stands to sense when a Labour government is elected with the kind of majority they had in 97 you'd have reason for optimism .
Let me throw some numbers in to this , over 30k people in the borough of Barnsley were employed in the mining industry .
So under Blair , Rolls Royce took them on ?
Boeing , Airbus and McClaren too ?
Funny because none of these companies set up in the borough of Barnsley .
13 years Billy , 3 election wins with sizable majorities .
I know who did well under a Labour government , the one's that almost took the country down in 2008 .
Which led to a change of government and austerity .
Remember those 30k in my town , your own town and the rest of em in the old industrial heartlands .
Labour finished em off .
And you wonder why they are despised so much around these parts .
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Sydney, there are a handful of people who will no doubt agree with you. By all means sleep well with that support, because in your case, as in many cases, ignorance is bliss.
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You tell me tyke, it sounds like your dying to, but please include who you intend to support to actually get into government if voters have already walked away from the far left, and as the link that bst put up shows it's not labour workers.
It's a fairly simple question Sydney .
If you want to introduce far left politics or what link BST put up then that's up to you .
I'll have another go .
What economic policies through 13 years in government did the Labour Party introduce that raised living standards in the former industrial heartlands ?
You'd imagine after 13 years they'd be at least something .
Just answer the question please .
''I think there's a fairly reasonable explanation why nobody can land a solid punch on Johnson and his corrupt government .
There's enough people who are doing alright thank you very much so who cares what Johnson does or doesn't do .
Whilst ever there are more than enough doing alright as opposed to those who aren't then PM's and governments are practically bullet proof .
I could never understand why the country repeatedly voted for Thatcher in the 80's , drove me crazy as an NUM man .
It wasn't until I was older I realised that she made sure enough people did very well out of her .
Why would Essex man care about my job prospects and community in South Yorkshire ? .
So how does that fit in with ditching Starmer and putting another leftwing leader in?''
As I see it you are going to persist with a far left agenda at the expense of government.
Just answer this question please.
A far left agenda ?
What's a far left agenda Sydney ?
My guess is your far left agenda is actual normality in many countries .
Social contracts , bargaining rights in the workplace , public ownership of SOME industries .
I'm beginning to think your Thatcher's greatest achievement never mind your hero Bliar .
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You tell me tyke, it sounds like your dying to, but please include who you intend to support to actually get into government if voters have already walked away from the far left, and as the link that bst put up shows it's not labour workers.
It's a fairly simple question Sydney .
If you want to introduce far left politics or what link BST put up then that's up to you .
I'll have another go .
What economic policies through 13 years in government did the Labour Party introduce that raised living standards in the former industrial heartlands ?
You'd imagine after 13 years they'd be at least something .
Just answer the question please .
''I think there's a fairly reasonable explanation why nobody can land a solid punch on Johnson and his corrupt government .
There's enough people who are doing alright thank you very much so who cares what Johnson does or doesn't do .
Whilst ever there are more than enough doing alright as opposed to those who aren't then PM's and governments are practically bullet proof .
I could never understand why the country repeatedly voted for Thatcher in the 80's , drove me crazy as an NUM man .
It wasn't until I was older I realised that she made sure enough people did very well out of her .
Why would Essex man care about my job prospects and community in South Yorkshire ? .
So how does that fit in with ditching Starmer and putting another leftwing leader in?''
As I see it you are going to persist with a far left agenda at the expense of government.
Just answer this question please.
A far left agenda ?
What's a far left agenda Sydney ?
My guess is your far left agenda is actual normality in many countries .
Social contracts , bargaining rights in the workplace , public ownership of SOME industries .
I'm beginning to think your Thatcher's greatest achievement never mind your hero Bliar .
If you can't answer the question Tyke just say so you don't have to drag the debate all around town.
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You tell me tyke, it sounds like your dying to, but please include who you intend to support to actually get into government if voters have already walked away from the far left, and as the link that bst put up shows it's not labour workers.
It's a fairly simple question Sydney .
If you want to introduce far left politics or what link BST put up then that's up to you .
I'll have another go .
What economic policies through 13 years in government did the Labour Party introduce that raised living standards in the former industrial heartlands ?
You'd imagine after 13 years they'd be at least something .
Just answer the question please .
''I think there's a fairly reasonable explanation why nobody can land a solid punch on Johnson and his corrupt government .
There's enough people who are doing alright thank you very much so who cares what Johnson does or doesn't do .
Whilst ever there are more than enough doing alright as opposed to those who aren't then PM's and governments are practically bullet proof .
I could never understand why the country repeatedly voted for Thatcher in the 80's , drove me crazy as an NUM man .
It wasn't until I was older I realised that she made sure enough people did very well out of her .
Why would Essex man care about my job prospects and community in South Yorkshire ? .
So how does that fit in with ditching Starmer and putting another leftwing leader in?''
As I see it you are going to persist with a far left agenda at the expense of government.
Just answer this question please.
A far left agenda ?
What's a far left agenda Sydney ?
My guess is your far left agenda is actual normality in many countries .
Social contracts , bargaining rights in the workplace , public ownership of SOME industries .
I'm beginning to think your Thatcher's greatest achievement never mind your hero Bliar .
If you can't answer the question Tyke just say so you don't have to drag the debate all around town.
I haven't even left my town never mind my country fella .
Citizens of anywhere rather than somewhere have a limited capacity in my book broadly speaking .
Your Thatcher's greatest achievement , at least own it , not that you'd even remotely know where I'm coming from .
Something always puzzles me about people of your political persuasion .
Why didn't you just vote for Swinson in 2019 ?
C'mon , why ?
Ticked every box didn't she ?
Because she wasn't Labour Sydney ?
Tut tut ....... now that's tribal bordering on a cult .
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Where's the duke?
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You are making assumptions that you have no evidence for Tyke and still avoiding the most important question.
If you have 'learned' as you say you have, how will the centre ground be captured by installing a leader from an area of politics that the country has soundly rejected in record numbers. How do you reconcile that. The name of the game is getting power, there is a huge chunk of voters that have proven with brexit and the way covid has been handled that can be 'managed' not lied to, but guided.
How is your 'new' left wing leader going to capture enough votes to do that?
btw, I don't need to post my credentials to prove to anyone what my aims are and what needs to be done, it's like dealing with a fifth column rather than a common enemy.
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Sydney, you still haven't answered my question. You're building up a bit of a list here mate.
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Sydney, you still haven't answered my question. You're building up a bit of a list here mate.
It's easy SS, look at the description and see if applies, there fixed that for you.
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Sydney, you still haven't answered my question. You're building up a bit of a list here mate.
You are wasting your time SS.
He asks lots of questions but answers none.
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Sydney, you still haven't answered my question. You're building up a bit of a list here mate.
You are wasting your time SS.
He asks lots of questions but answers none.
Hiding behind others to carry on your petty feuds isn't a good look hound
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Sydney, you still haven't answered my question. You're building up a bit of a list here mate.
You are wasting your time SS.
He asks lots of questions but answers none.
Hiding behind others to carry on your petty feuds isn't a good look hound
:facepalm:
Oh, and morning to Filo too.
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Sydney, you still haven't answered my question. You're building up a bit of a list here mate.
You are wasting your time SS.
He asks lots of questions but answers none.
BB is a hell of a teacher.
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Sydney, you still haven't answered my question. You're building up a bit of a list here mate.
He runs a kindergarten Glyn
You are wasting your time SS.
He asks lots of questions but answers none.
BB is a hell of a teacher.
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Even great teachers like me have their limitations. Teaching a Lefty to think straight is as impossible as teaching a crab to walk straight.
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Even great teachers like me have their limitations. Teaching a Lefty to think straight is as impossible as teaching a crab to walk straight.
Especially one that can’t even write his post in the right place.
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At it again Hound? Throwing bitchy little as hominem barbs, then whining when someone gives you one back?
Sad that someone would spend so much time doing that.
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At it again Hound? Throwing bitchy little as hominem barbs, then whining when someone gives you one back?
Sad that someone would spend so much time doing that.
.....and you say I troll your posts.
I get plenty of lefties giving me stick on this forum, more so when things aren’t going their way.
Oh, and hi again Filo.
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At it again Hound? Throwing bitchy little as hominem barbs, then whining when someone gives you one back?
Sad that someone would spend so much time doing that.
I don’t have to comment to get a mention, I feel privilaged
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At it again Hound? Throwing bitchy little as hominem barbs, then whining when someone gives you one back?
Sad that someone would spend so much time doing that.
I don’t have to comment to get a mention, I feel privilaged
Good to know, you have earned the right.
I have noticed though Filo that you aren’t backing up your leader much these days.
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I find it funny that most of the "lefties" on here are happy to disagree with one another, even with our supposed leader. Yet I've never once seen this gang of right wingers on here do anything other than back each other up. Considering you didn't have the guts to call out your mate when he used a racist slur, hound, I'd wind your neck in when talking about groups backing up their leader!
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I find it funny that most of the "lefties" on here are happy to disagree with one another, even with our supposed leader. Yet I've never once seen this gang of right wingers on here do anything other than back each other up. Considering you didn't have the guts to call out your mate when he used a racist slur, hound, I'd wind your neck in when talking about groups backing up their leader!
Macho, selby is a mate of mine but if you recall, I hadn’t seen the alleged racist post and pointed that out when the BST mentioned it to me.
Perhaps if you had noticed that post yourself you wouldn’t have brought that up.
Maybe you should check your own neck.
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I find it funny that most of the "lefties" on here are happy to disagree with one another, even with our supposed leader. Yet I've never once seen this gang of right wingers on here do anything other than back each other up. Considering you didn't have the guts to call out your mate when he used a racist slur, hound, I'd wind your neck in when talking about groups backing up their leader!
That's because right-leaning people are quite compatible in their basic beliefs, whereas the lefties have conflicting opinions probably because half of them are right-leaning but in denial. I think, for what it's worth, a prime example of that is their leader Keir Starmer himself!
Regarding the right-wingers backing each other up, and the left-wingers NOT backing each other up, You're about as accurate in that opinion as you are in all your others.
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I find it funny that most of the "lefties" on here are happy to disagree with one another, even with our supposed leader. Yet I've never once seen this gang of right wingers on here do anything other than back each other up. Considering you didn't have the guts to call out your mate when he used a racist slur, hound, I'd wind your neck in when talking about groups backing up their leader!
That's because right-leaning people are quite compatible in their basic beliefs, whereas the lefties have conflicting opinions probably because half of them are right-leaning but in denial. I think, for what it's worth, a prime example of that is their leader Keir Starmer himself!
Regarding the right-wingers backing each other up, and the left-wingers NOT backing each other up, You're about as accurate in that opinion as you are in all your others.
That is correct. Throughtout history there is no record of fascists fighting with other fascists - because their only interest is fascism and looking down on others they believe less worthy.
As proven by the lack of examples of any right-winger on here ever criticising another.
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United we stand, divided we fall!
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Disciples of each other!
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Not very original that Glyn.
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At it again Hound? Throwing bitchy little as hominem barbs, then whining when someone gives you one back?
Sad that someone would spend so much time doing that.
I don’t have to comment to get a mention, I feel privilaged
Good to know, you have earned the right.
I have noticed though Filo that you aren’t backing up your leader much these days.
Just to clarify, I have no leader, I have my own opinions, and I say what I think is correct in a debate, I hope that clears things up for you and your band of merry men
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At it again Hound? Throwing bitchy little as hominem barbs, then whining when someone gives you one back?
Sad that someone would spend so much time doing that.
I don’t have to comment to get a mention, I feel privilaged
Good to know, you have earned the right.
I have noticed though Filo that you aren’t backing up your leader much these days.
Just to clarify, I have no leader, I have my own opinions, and I say what I think is correct in a debate, I hope that clears things up for you and your band of merry men
Can you clarify who the band of Merry men are please.
Just so everyone knows.
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Disciples of each other!
Don't you wish there were 12 of you!
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I find it funny that most of the "lefties" on here are happy to disagree with one another, even with our supposed leader. Yet I've never once seen this gang of right wingers on here do anything other than back each other up. Considering you didn't have the guts to call out your mate when he used a racist slur, hound, I'd wind your neck in when talking about groups backing up their leader!
Macho, selby is a mate of mine but if you recall, I hadn’t seen the alleged racist post and pointed that out when the BST mentioned it to me.
Perhaps if you had noticed that post yourself you wouldn’t have brought that up.
Maybe you should check your own neck.
I did see your "I saw nothing" post. Weird that you catch every other post on here but just happened to miss a racist post by one of your own. Seems like the rest of your crew all missed it as well as none of them commented on it either. What a strange coincidence! I'm sure if one of this so called leftie gang had posted something similarly awful you'd have spotted it. What do you think of calling people "rag heads", hound?
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Disciples of each other!
Don't you wish there were 12 of you!
I couldn't give a shit what you're blathering about.
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I find it funny that most of the "lefties" on here are happy to disagree with one another, even with our supposed leader. Yet I've never once seen this gang of right wingers on here do anything other than back each other up. Considering you didn't have the guts to call out your mate when he used a racist slur, hound, I'd wind your neck in when talking about groups backing up their leader!
Macho, selby is a mate of mine but if you recall, I hadn’t seen the alleged racist post and pointed that out when the BST mentioned it to me.
Perhaps if you had noticed that post yourself you wouldn’t have brought that up.
Maybe you should check your own neck.
I did see your "I saw nothing" post. Weird that you catch every other post on here but just happened to miss a racist post by one of your own. Seems like the rest of your crew all missed it as well as none of them commented on it either. What a strange coincidence! I'm sure if one of this so called leftie gang had posted something similarly awful you'd have spotted it. What do you think of calling people "rag heads", hound?
I missed it too, but then again, the race card has become a common tool for the lefties when their arguments are falling short so it's easy to overlook one or two of them.
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Disciples of each other!
Don't you wish there were 12 of you!
I couldn't give a shit what you're blathering about.
It's a terrible thing, constipation, especially when it starts coming out of your mouth instead.
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Disciples of each other!
Don't you wish there were 12 of you!
I couldn't give a shit what you're blathering about.
It's a terrible thing, constipation, especially when it starts coming out of your mouth instead.
If his mouth was constipated nothing would come out of it
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Disciples of each other!
Don't you wish there were 12 of you!
I couldn't give a shit what you're blathering about.
It's a terrible thing, constipation, especially when it starts coming out of your mouth instead.
If his mouth was constipated nothing would come out of it
That's a nice thought.
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Better than the verbal diarhheoa you never seem to be able to find a cure for.
BTW. Disciples are the people who agree with each other, not those who disagree with each other. Looks like you've been calling the wrong people disciples for these past few years.
Cue yet another personal insult because you've lost again. You're so predictable.
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What do you think of the term "rag heads" your underling used, BB? Do you think that's not a slur, that it's acceptable? What arguments do you ever make anyway? All you ever do is ask leading questions and try to drag threads into the shitter. Oh, and you pretend people are calling you racist so you can act like a victim. That's a weird quirk of yours.
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Meanwhile, outside this spat, I see the right wing culture warriors are up in arms once again over the disgraceful Marxist sctions of a couple of dozen young millionaires taking the knee before the England game.
So much money spent on expensive education's of people who can't do simple logic.
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Better than the verbal diarhheoa you never seem to be able to find a cure for.
BTW. Disciples are the people who agree with each other, not those who disagree with each other. Looks like you've been calling the wrong people disciples for these past few years.
Cue yet another personal insult because you've lost again. You're so predictable.
Sorry I can't help you regarding your verbal diarrhoea, you need a specialist for that.
By the way, disciples don't always agree with each other, they sometimes disagree with each other, but they are still disciples, and follow one god only.
Next!
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I find it funny that most of the "lefties" on here are happy to disagree with one another, even with our supposed leader. Yet I've never once seen this gang of right wingers on here do anything other than back each other up. Considering you didn't have the guts to call out your mate when he used a racist slur, hound, I'd wind your neck in when talking about groups backing up their leader!
Macho, selby is a mate of mine but if you recall, I hadn’t seen the alleged racist post and pointed that out when the BST mentioned it to me.
Perhaps if you had noticed that post yourself you wouldn’t have brought that up.
Maybe you should check your own neck.
I did see your "I saw nothing" post. Weird that you catch every other post on here but just happened to miss a racist post by one of your own. Seems like the rest of your crew all missed it as well as none of them commented on it either. What a strange coincidence! I'm sure if one of this so called leftie gang had posted something similarly awful you'd have spotted it. What do you think of calling people "rag heads", hound?
I have said often enough that I don’t read every thread and certainly don’t read every post.
Is that unusual?
Do you read every post on here?
I can’t speak for anyone else about whether they saw it.
BST told me that the alleged racist post was taken down (I think it was the next day) so maybe lots of people didn’t see it.
Did you complain about it at the time it was posted.
What do I think of people calling others rag heads?
I don’t think it is right to do so.
I also don’t think it is right for people to call other posters an ignorant idiot but I didn’t see you pull BST for doing that recently.
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What do you think of the term "rag heads" your underling used, BB? Do you think that's not a slur, that it's acceptable? What arguments do you ever make anyway? All you ever do is ask leading questions and try to drag threads into the shitter. Oh, and you pretend people are calling you racist so you can act like a victim. That's a weird quirk of yours.
You see Mr Machoman, it's posts like that that shows your true class.
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Better than the verbal diarhheoa you never seem to be able to find a cure for.
BTW. Disciples are the people who agree with each other, not those who disagree with each other. Looks like you've been calling the wrong people disciples for these past few years.
Cue yet another personal insult because you've lost again. You're so predictable.
Sorry I can't help you regarding your verbal diarrhoea, you need a specialist for that.
By the way, disciples don't always agree with each other, they sometimes disagree with each other, but they are still disciples, and follow one god only.
Next!
Good job I'm an atheist then. Using your own logic I can't possibly be one.
PS I'm confused. You seem to think I'm constipated AND have diarrheoa. It doesn't do anything for your egomaniacal claim to be always right.
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I'm not surprised you don't understand Mr Wiggerly, it's not unusual for things to go over your head.
Oh, and I only claim to be always right when I'm going over the head of the likes of you.
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Hound.
You'll note that I withdrew that comment. It was Selby's post that was ignorant and idiotic (anyone with half a brain would accept that) but I should have directed my criticism to his post, not to him. I note that he has not withdrawn his racist comments.
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I have said often enough that I don’t read every thread and certainly don’t read every post.
Is that unusual?
Do you read every post on here?
I can’t speak for anyone else about whether they saw it.
BST told me that the alleged racist post was taken down (I think it was the next day) so maybe lots of people didn’t see it.
Did you complain about it at the time it was posted.
What do I think of people calling others rag heads?
I don’t think it is right to do so.
I also don’t think it is right for people to call other posters an ignorant idiot but I didn’t see you pull BST for doing that recently.
Are you drawing equivalence between a racist slur and the person who used the slur being called an ignorant idiot? Really? You must have lived a very sheltered life if you believe that, but then you don't really believe that, do you? You'll just say anything to try and antagonise someone. You clutching your pearls over that very mild insult is quite funny when the leading questions, petty sniping, deliberately antagonising posters and general childish behaviour of your gang is the main reason why the off topic section is basically unusable these days. There is a reason most of this section is just the same 5/6 posters going on at each other.
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Hound.
You'll note that I withdrew that comment. It was Selby's post that was ignorant and idiotic (anyone with half a brain would accept that) but I should have directed my criticism to his post, not to him. I note that he has not withdrawn his racist comments.
Yes, I know you withdrew your comment, but you did make it in the first place and had I not mentioned it to you, you probably wouldn’t have retracted it.
Filo (mentioned again mate) is quick to say people attack the poster and not the post but didn’t bother to object when you did so.
As for what selby says or does, I’m not his keeper.
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I'm not surprised you don't understand Mr Wiggerly, it's not unusual for things to go over your head.
Oh, and I only claim to be always right when I'm going over the head of the likes of you.
Egomaniacal. QED.
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Hound.
You'll note that I withdrew that comment. It was Selby's post that was ignorant and idiotic (anyone with half a brain would accept that) but I should have directed my criticism to his post, not to him. I note that he has not withdrawn his racist comments.
Yes, I know you withdrew your comment, but you did make it in the first place and had I not mentioned it to you, you probably wouldn’t have retracted it.
Filo (mentioned again mate) is quick to say people attack the poster and not the post but didn’t bother to object when you did so.
As for what selby says or does, I’m not his keeper.
If the cap fits
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I have said often enough that I don’t read every thread and certainly don’t read every post.
Is that unusual?
Do you read every post on here?
I can’t speak for anyone else about whether they saw it.
BST told me that the alleged racist post was taken down (I think it was the next day) so maybe lots of people didn’t see it.
Did you complain about it at the time it was posted.
What do I think of people calling others rag heads?
I don’t think it is right to do so.
I also don’t think it is right for people to call other posters an ignorant idiot but I didn’t see you pull BST for doing that recently.
Are you drawing equivalence between a racist slur and the person who used the slur being called an ignorant idiot? Really? You must have lived a very sheltered life if you believe that, but then you don't really believe that, do you? You'll just say anything to try and antagonise someone. You clutching your pearls over that very mild insult is quite funny when the leading questions, petty sniping, deliberately antagonising posters and general childish behaviour of your gang is the main reason why the off topic section is basically unusable these days. There is a reason most of this section is just the same 5/6 posters going on at each other.
Wow, some of that is a bit rich coming from you.
The king of petty sniping isn’t even resident in the UK.
However, just to be clear, I am not drawing equivalence between the two posts you have mentioned.
You asked me a question and I gave you an answer.
I then asked if you complained about it but because you have dodged answering I assume you didn’t.
You must think it is ok to call someone an ignorant idiot too.
Anyway, you are quite right, sometimes this forum is a crap place to be and the fault lies with quite a few posters so be a good lad and let’s stop this spat now.
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Hound.
You'll note that I withdrew that comment. It was Selby's post that was ignorant and idiotic (anyone with half a brain would accept that) but I should have directed my criticism to his post, not to him. I note that he has not withdrawn his racist comments.
Yes, I know you withdrew your comment, but you did make it in the first place and had I not mentioned it to you, you probably wouldn’t have retracted it.
Filo (mentioned again mate) is quick to say people attack the poster and not the post but didn’t bother to object when you did so.
As for what selby says or does, I’m not his keeper.
If the cap fits
Ah, so you are backing up BST tonight.
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Hound.
I make mistakes. Hand up on that. Especially when a racist is unapologetically guffawing at winding folk up.
Regarding withdrawing posts, I withdrew one I fired off at you today, because in reflection I thought it unhelpful.
I still find it odd that you didn't see Selby's post that night when you were straight in to have a pop on another subject at the very same time, but I'll accept that.
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I'm not surprised you don't understand Mr Wiggerly, it's not unusual for things to go over your head.
Oh, and I only claim to be always right when I'm going over the head of the likes of you.
Egomaniacal. QED.
I used to be egomaniacal, but I'm not any more. In fact, I'm pretty much perfect these days.
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Hound.
I make mistakes. Hand up on that. Especially when a racist is unapologetically guffawing at winding folk up.
Regarding withdrawing posts, I withdrew one I fired off at you today, because in reflection I thought it unhelpful.
I still find it odd that you didn't see Selby's post that night when you were straight in to have a pop on another subject at the very same time, but I'll accept that.
Fair enough BST but I genuinely didn’t see it.
Like you, I sometimes skim read through stuff and you yourself have sometimes said you must have missed something.
Can I ask, without any malice, do you read every post on every thread?
No one else need chip in here thank you.
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BST, by the way, I haven’t seen where you withdrew something you said to me today.
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Hound. I deleted the post.
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Hound. I deleted the post.
Thank goodness for that.
Can I ask again whether you read every thread and post.
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United we stand, divided we fall!
the only kindergarten run by the kids
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Hound.
I make mistakes. Hand up on that. Especially when a racist is unapologetically guffawing at winding folk up.
Regarding withdrawing posts, I withdrew one I fired off at you today, because in reflection I thought it unhelpful.
I still find it odd that you didn't see Selby's post that night when you were straight in to have a pop on another subject at the very same time, but I'll accept that.
Fair enough BST but I genuinely didn’t see it.
Like you, I sometimes skim read through stuff and you yourself have sometimes said you must have missed something.
Can I ask, without any malice, do you read every post on every thread?
No one else need chip in here thank you.
none of his mates saw it either so your not on your own hound
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Hey Skippy! I see you're not beating about the bush with your aggression tonight. Is kindergarten a new word you've learned in reception?
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show which bit isn't true, you all act like children trying to ruin serious debate and you appear to be head coach.
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Serious debate? I always thought serious debate required answers when questions were raised!
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You have proven my case yet again well done bb. But you see I did answer, maybe it wasn't the one that you wanted but as you didn't ask the question it's not really your position to judge it. Now you are insulting Tyke by insinuating he's not capable of defending his own arguments.
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I'm not referring to Tyke's question, SR. Tyke's more than capable of fighting his own corner. I was referring to the unanswered questions I've asked in the past.
Us right-wingers work alone because we can!
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I'm not referring to Tyke's question, SR. Tyke's more than capable of fighting his own corner. I was referring to the unanswered questions I've asked in the past.
Us right-wingers work alone because we can!
Then I don't know what you've been rambling on about for days and who cares
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I wasn't referring to Tyke's question because you've answered it, apparently. Whether Tyke agrees with it is up to him. He's more than capable of making his own mind up.
I was referring to the unanswered questions I've asked in the past.
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I have said often enough that I don’t read every thread and certainly don’t read every post.
Is that unusual?
Do you read every post on here?
I can’t speak for anyone else about whether they saw it.
BST told me that the alleged racist post was taken down (I think it was the next day) so maybe lots of people didn’t see it.
Did you complain about it at the time it was posted.
What do I think of people calling others rag heads?
I don’t think it is right to do so.
I also don’t think it is right for people to call other posters an ignorant idiot but I didn’t see you pull BST for doing that recently.
Are you drawing equivalence between a racist slur and the person who used the slur being called an ignorant idiot? Really? You must have lived a very sheltered life if you believe that, but then you don't really believe that, do you? You'll just say anything to try and antagonise someone. You clutching your pearls over that very mild insult is quite funny when the leading questions, petty sniping, deliberately antagonising posters and general childish behaviour of your gang is the main reason why the off topic section is basically unusable these days. There is a reason most of this section is just the same 5/6 posters going on at each other.
Wow, some of that is a bit rich coming from you.
The king of petty sniping isn’t even resident in the UK.
However, just to be clear, I am not drawing equivalence between the two posts you have mentioned.
You asked me a question and I gave you an answer.
I then asked if you complained about it but because you have dodged answering I assume you didn’t.
You must think it is ok to call someone an ignorant idiot too.
Anyway, you are quite right, sometimes this forum is a crap place to be and the fault lies with quite a few posters so be a good lad and let’s stop this spat now.
It's perfectly acceptable to call an ignorant idiot an ignorant idiot. It should be encouraged, especially when said idiot is a racist who solely and self-admittedly posts xenophobic garbage on here to wind people up. "Ignorant idiot" is just about the mildest, most understated thing you could call someone in response to that.
You are right that the fault lies with a few other posters who rise to it, including, in this instance, me. Quite often your crew are the ones provoking people who should know better, with the facetious replies and the endless pointless questions that you only ask so you can go "aha! You dodged my question!". I just think it's sad what happened to this section, and what is happening to the forum generally. Like I say, it's no wonder most posters don't post here. There will probably be a few less now.
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I wasn't referring to Tyke's question because you've answered it, apparently. Whether Tyke agrees with it is up to him. He's more than capable of making his own mind up.
I was referring to the unanswered questions I've asked in the past.
that doesn't surprise me at all, you're clearly yesterday's man and perfect for the job
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You're probably right in saying I'm yesterday's man, that's not the problem because it was bound to happen one day. What is the problem though is who is going to be tomorrow's man.
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goodnight bb
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Good morning Syderney.
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I have said often enough that I don’t read every thread and certainly don’t read every post.
Is that unusual?
Do you read every post on here?
I can’t speak for anyone else about whether they saw it.
BST told me that the alleged racist post was taken down (I think it was the next day) so maybe lots of people didn’t see it.
Did you complain about it at the time it was posted.
What do I think of people calling others rag heads?
I don’t think it is right to do so.
I also don’t think it is right for people to call other posters an ignorant idiot but I didn’t see you pull BST for doing that recently.
Are you drawing equivalence between a racist slur and the person who used the slur being called an ignorant idiot? Really? You must have lived a very sheltered life if you believe that, but then you don't really believe that, do you? You'll just say anything to try and antagonise someone. You clutching your pearls over that very mild insult is quite funny when the leading questions, petty sniping, deliberately antagonising posters and general childish behaviour of your gang is the main reason why the off topic section is basically unusable these days. There is a reason most of this section is just the same 5/6 posters going on at each other.
Wow, some of that is a bit rich coming from you.
The king of petty sniping isn’t even resident in the UK.
However, just to be clear, I am not drawing equivalence between the two posts you have mentioned.
You asked me a question and I gave you an answer.
I then asked if you complained about it but because you have dodged answering I assume you didn’t.
You must think it is ok to call someone an ignorant idiot too.
Anyway, you are quite right, sometimes this forum is a crap place to be and the fault lies with quite a few posters so be a good lad and let’s stop this spat now.
It's perfectly acceptable to call an ignorant idiot an ignorant idiot. It should be encouraged, especially when said idiot is a racist who solely and self-admittedly posts xenophobic garbage on here to wind people up. "Ignorant idiot" is just about the mildest, most understated thing you could call someone in response to that.
You are right that the fault lies with a few other posters who rise to it, including, in this instance, me. Quite often your crew are the ones provoking people who should know better, with the facetious replies and the endless pointless questions that you only ask so you can go "aha! You dodged my question!". I just think it's sad what happened to this section, and what is happening to the forum generally. Like I say, it's no wonder most posters don't post here. There will probably be a few less now.
It's absolutely impossible to read the off-topic section nowadays because you just know if you give it long enough it descends into the same personal pissing contest.
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Janso. Would you prefer it if just a handful of lefties were allowed to go unquestioned and unopposed for the sake of a content and united forum?
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Janso. Would you prefer it if just a handful of lefties were allowed to go unquestioned and unopposed for the sake of a content and united forum?
No. I'd prefer it if you didn't prove my point in the very next post. I'd prefer a civilised exchange of ideas rather than pathetic, childish baiting and WUMing.
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Are you suggesting that the baiting and WUMing is one-sided? Have you read the forum in a neutral position and come to an honest conclusion as to who are the real culprits?
I really suggest you do.
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Are you suggesting that the baiting and WUMing is one-sided? Have you read the forum in a neutral position and come to an honest conclusion as to who are the real culprits?
I really suggest you do.
You're the only one suggesting that, I certainly haven't. That's the last I'll say on the matter as I'm not getting drawn into an endless torrent of pointless back and forths.
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Is this forum moderated?
Why thread after thread is allowed to be derailed by complete irrelevance is beyond me?
Yellow card the offenders and please keep discussion to the topic thread and not personal wind ups.
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Are you suggesting that the baiting and WUMing is one-sided? Have you read the forum in a neutral position and come to an honest conclusion as to who are the real culprits?
I really suggest you do.
You're the only one suggesting that, I certainly haven't. That's the last I'll say on the matter as I'm not getting drawn into an endless torrent of pointless back and forths.
But the lefties have produced an endless torrent of abuse for the last 5 years, ranging from being f**king awful losers in the EU referendum, and wanting everything to go wrong to prove they were right (and still doing so), to being f**king awful losers in the 2019 general election, and wanting everything to go wrong to prove they were right (and still doing so), to the 2020 pandemic, claiming everything has been done wrong, to prove they were right (and still doing so).
We have become a country half-full of f**king bad losers.
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Are you suggesting that the baiting and WUMing is one-sided? Have you read the forum in a neutral position and come to an honest conclusion as to who are the real culprits?
I really suggest you do.
You're the only one suggesting that, I certainly haven't. That's the last I'll say on the matter as I'm not getting drawn into an endless torrent of pointless back and forths.
But the lefties have produced an endless torrent of abuse for the last 5 years, ranging from being f**king awful losers in the EU referendum, and wanting everything to go wrong to prove they were right (and still doing so), to being f**king awful losers in the 2019 general election, and wanting everything to go wrong to prove they were right (and still doing so), to the 2020 pandemic, claiming everything has been done wrong, to prove they were right (and still doing so).
We have become a country half-full of f**king bad losers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SikzOsxfSc
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Is this forum moderated?
Why thread after thread is allowed to be derailed by complete irrelevance is beyond me?
Yellow card the offenders and please keep discussion to the topic thread and not personal wind ups.
Apart from last night, I’ve tried to keep away from all that, but when I’m being name checked by one of the main protagonists, without making a comment, just because I clicked the like button on a few comments, I got drawn in again. I have long held the belief that certain posters are arguing the poster rather than the subject, nothing has changed that opinion, in fact with every post by a certain few it reinforces that opinion, and they know who they are, there is no need to name check on that one
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Is this forum moderated?
Why thread after thread is allowed to be derailed by complete irrelevance is beyond me?
Yellow card the offenders and please keep discussion to the topic thread and not personal wind ups.
Apart from last night, I’ve tried to keep away from all that, but when I’m being name checked by one of the main protagonists, without making a comment, just because I clicked the like button on a few comments, I got drawn in again. I have long held the belief that certain posters are arguing the poster rather than the subject, nothing has changed that opinion, in fact with every post by a certain few it reinforces that opinion, and they know who they are, there is no need to name check on that one
And you got namechecked by the one who accuses anyone of daring to answer him back more than once of deliberately stalking him! It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.
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Bring back bookings! Yaurs-esque.
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Refraining from posting for a while really does allow one to read these posts with fresh eyes.
I know I have been warned before that looking at both sides of an argument is not the thing to do, but, does anybody on here who sees themselves as, or are perceived to be, on ‘one side or the other’ actually believe that it is the ‘other’ side’s fault for topics to descend into personal digs and accusations?
I reckon that in many posters’ minds there is probably a whole football team, including subs and a manager for each side that consists of a variety of strengths.
For example, I see myself as a bit like Copps: skilful, reliable, the one who is looked up to by the whole team. And, perhaps most important of all, has earned the utmost respect from both teams AND their fans.
Which footballer are YOU like when it comes to league one off topic discussion?
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I thought you said you understood the crux of what billy was talking belton, if you want to understand it better, please don't ask me go back and read the comments
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I reckon you’d be Mark Sale, Sydney.
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I've already told you who I think you really are belton
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Depressingly predictable Belton that your first contribution on your return entirely misrepresents what I said.
I really shouldn't have to spell this out, but I never, ever said that you shouldn't look at an argument from both sides. As I suspect you DO know.
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Not all of them, Billy, no.
But you’re missing the main, more important point.
Which ‘footballer’ are you?
I’m thinking Graeme le Saux. Or Joey Barton.
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Alan Little of course.
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I'd be Joe Wright's brother, Always.
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I see the Culture Secretary and PM have regaled us this evening with their considered opinions on Ollie Robinson's ban. Immediately after a Tory MP makes a splash over taking a knee.
As I implied in the OP, this is not coincidence. It will be non-stop.
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Have they had anything to say about the vandalism and defacing of Churchill's statue do you know?
Funny that - and after passing a law to imprison someone for up to 10 years for doing exactly that.
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Talking about making a splash over taking the knee;
https://bywire.news/articles/tory-mp-compares-taking-the-knee-to-doing-a-nazi-hitler-salute
Blimey!
Is this fella known to some?
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The biggest threat is that some think the culture war should be to stop allowing free speech.
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No one is stopping you selby get the 'stop taking the knee' sandwich board out and show you mean business around Arksey and Donny, you can even take it to the first home game.
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Lead singer this time Syd where's the backing group? as for politics in sport Syd I will leave it to you buddy it's not a subject or issue to me.
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The biggest threat is that some think the culture war should be to stop allowing free speech.
Is anyone stopping you selby? I just thought it was an opportunity to show you're not just an anonymous windbag on a third tier football forum is all. There must be something that you stand up for, something other than your quest for more money?
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Syd, you make it obvious how childish you are when resorting to silly schoolyard name calling, grow up, and stop trying to get the forum relegated from the third tier you have got us in.
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Not sure if this is the right place for this or not - although it barely seems to matter where you post stuff nowadays. Her it is anyway... David Squires on ......... Football.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2021/jun/08/david-squires-on-the-unlikely-marxist-takeover-of-english-football?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
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Talking about making a splash over taking the knee;
https://bywire.news/articles/tory-mp-compares-taking-the-knee-to-doing-a-nazi-hitler-salute
Blimey!
Is this fella known to some?
Like I say. It's not a coincidence. This is a concerted effort to keep on winding up what they believe are the sensibilities of their supporters.
You have to see this in the context that the Tories don't have any serious economic philosophy to push. They are all out of ideas as the Thatcher revolution fades into history. So the only thing that have to work on is culture. And work on it they will. Remorselessly.
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Not sure if this is the right place for this or not - although it barely seems to matter where you post stuff nowadays. Her it is anyway... David Squires on ......... Football.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2021/jun/08/david-squires-on-the-unlikely-marxist-takeover-of-english-football?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
What I find patricuarly hilarious are people who, literally, were out in the street protesting against greed in football and saying that the money the PL generates should be distributed throughout the leagues, thinking that millionaires taking a knee is Marxist...
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The biggest threat is that some think the culture war should be to stop allowing free speech.
Selby it's only a culture war because you and yours want it to be so, it's not stopping free speech and while racists and abusers are prevalent in sport then you will have to suffer those that want to kick it out so stiff shit.
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Amazing how many people don't get that free speech works both ways. Free speech means that other people are free to point out why your opinions are wrong, or abusive.
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I see the Culture Secretary and PM have regaled us this evening with their considered opinions on Ollie Robinson's ban. Immediately after a Tory MP makes a splash over taking a knee.
As I implied in the OP, this is not coincidence. It will be non-stop.
out of interest what punishment should he get? Taking into account he was 18/19 and quite a few years ago?
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Bpool.
Not one that is influenced by Culture War politicians.
It is a very difficult issue.
On the one hand he was a stupid and naive kid.
On the other hand, he's now representing his country and just drawing a veil over his earlier comments is not acceptable.
There's a really fine line to walk here. But the Culture Secretary and PM aren't interested in that.
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Not just Robinson now. ECB have delved into a few more players early years on Twitter & found some unsavoury content.
Not sure if anyone saw it but Micheal Holding nailed it yesterday.