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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: mushRTID on June 28, 2021, 05:50:36 pm
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First day of training and he posts this...has he been told he’s not in Wellens plans?
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Possibly Mush but he could also have been referring to Moore.
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Not having that, hound, he could have posted that weeks ago, if it was about DM.
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It was just a thought Alan.
What do you think he might have been referring to.
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Seems obvious to me. First day back among the lads after a searingly brutal experience as their manager.
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He's gone even further up in my estimation, quoting Cicero. He'd be my no 1 guest for a historical dinner party.
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I don’t know what he’s referring to, it’s very cryptic, but the timing is of it is quite interesting!
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Can’t remember which thread but I think last week, somebody guessed Butler as the contracted player who might possibly be leaving.
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A lot of speculation on Twitter that he wasn’t there today
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Oh dear. This doesn’t look good. I would suggest that the new manager doesn’t want him and that he’s refusing to leave. A real sad situation if it proves to be true. Love Butty but also back Richie in his role as our manager. Could get messy and we really don’t want that.
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It’s down to butts to get his head down and play not steer things up for richy so can’t see it been aimed at the manager
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Such a shame Wellens can't be a grown up about it and put anything in the past between the two and Butler being our previous manager behind him. Butler's experience in the changing room would be brilliant.
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Such a shame Wellens can't be a grown up about it and put anything in the past between the two and Butler being our previous manager behind him. Butler's experience in the changing room would be brilliant.
Either you know something no one else does, or you are making a massive assumption
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Such a shame Wellens can't be a grown up about it and put anything in the past between the two and Butler being our previous manager behind him. Butler's experience in the changing room would be brilliant.
We don't know that do we tbf? Wellens has good reasons for wanting AB to focus on playing rather than coaching, and if they can't come to an agreement on that that's not necessarily RW's fault.
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Such a shame Wellens can't be a grown up about it and put anything in the past between the two and Butler being our previous manager behind him. Butler's experience in the changing room would be brilliant.
Either you know something no one else does, or you are making a massive assumption
Everyone's making their own assumptions about it. This is just my take...
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Such a shame Wellens can't be a grown up about it and put anything in the past between the two and Butler being our previous manager behind him. Butler's experience in the changing room would be brilliant.
Either you know something no one else does, or you are making a massive assumption
Everyone's making their own assumptions about it. This is just my take...
Everyone?
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Such a shame Wellens can't be a grown up about it and put anything in the past between the two and Butler being our previous manager behind him. Butler's experience in the changing room would be brilliant.
We don't know that do we tbf? Wellens has good reasons for wanting AB to focus on playing rather than coaching, and if they can't come to an agreement on that that's not necessarily RW's fault.
Hopefully it is purely for playing reasons or Butler wanting to carry on coaching, but if it's Wellens using previous disputes between them then it shows he is still as childish as before. Hopefully both of them can move on from any previous disputes.
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Donny hopefully you can move on from assumptions that not proven and your dislike that comes across of RW.
If the quote is aimed at his situation it seems a very unprofessional thing to do.
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Donny hopefully you can move on from assumptions that not proven and your dislike that comes across of RW.
If the quote is aimed at his situation it seems a very unprofessional thing to do.
I don't have a dislike of RW... I was for him being appointed since the end of the season...
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but if it's Wellens using previous disputes between them then it shows he is still as childish as before.
You may want to reword this if you have nothing against the manager
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I read it completely differently and that it made reference to being manager and now ‘just’ a player
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but if it's Wellens using previous disputes between them then it shows he is still as childish as before.
You may want to reword this if you have nothing against the manager
I can believe a man has flaws to his personality but believe he's a good appointment for our team, in comparison with other names mentioned, as well as bringing a decent style of football with him.
Sorry, should I see the world through rose-tinted glasses?
Let's move on from my opinions and assumptions on this matter...
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here's an idea, how about one of you lads on Twitter ask AB what the fcuk he's going on about.
Tell him to stop with all this Cantona rubbish.
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He's gone even further up in my estimation, quoting Cicero. He'd be my no 1 guest for a historical dinner party.
Me too, BST. Read the Cicero trilogy by Robert Harris last year. OK, fact based fiction but paints the picture of what a tremendous character he was. Fantastic storytelling by Harris.
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I think it's entirely possible we're reading too much into what is a fairly all-purpose motivational meme, no?
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I don’t see it as richy been childish , as he’s in a very unusual position where u take over as manager and the previous manager is still there !
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I think it's entirely possible we're reading too much into what is a fairly all-purpose motivational meme, no?
No, I don’t think it’s possible we’re reading too much into it.
If there’s nothing in it then it’s an extremely disruptive thing of AB to post on the day we return to training. It was always going to attract speculation like this.
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Such a shame Wellens can't be a grown up about it and put anything in the past between the two and Butler being our previous manager behind him. Butler's experience in the changing room would be brilliant.
Eh?
I'd say it's butler not being the grown up, if he's spat the dummy out over Ritchie saying to concentrate on playing .
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Cicero, wasn't he left midfield in that 1982 Brazil team?
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I don’t see it as richy been childish , as he’s in a very unusual position where u take over as manager and the previous manager is still there !
Exactly, if anyone is being mardy it's butler
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If it was Butts' intention to stick the boot into the new manager then it's thoroughly bad form. I hope that wasn't his meaning but if it was then there surely is no place for him to remain at the club.
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I think it's entirely possible we're reading too much into what is a fairly all-purpose motivational meme, no?
No, I don’t think it’s possible we’re reading too much into it.
If there’s nothing in it then it’s an extremely disruptive thing of AB to post on the day we return to training. It was always going to attract speculation like this.
100% .
Completely unprofessional from butler, stirring things up on the first day of training.
Time to cancel his contract
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Too many assumptions from both sides, it might be totally innocent
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I think it's entirely possible we're reading too much into what is a fairly all-purpose motivational meme, no?
No, I don’t think it’s possible we’re reading too much into it.
If there’s nothing in it then it’s an extremely disruptive thing of AB to post on the day we return to training. It was always going to attract speculation like this.
100% .
Completely unprofessional from butler, stirring things up on the first day of training.
Time to cancel his contract
"Gone fishin' doo-bee-doo-bee"
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I don’t see it as richy been childish , as he’s in a very unusual position where u take over as manager and the previous manager is still there !
Exactly, if anyone is being mardy it's butler
Well,is he.
We have no idea what Butts is really getting at.
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Just to pour a bit more fuel on the speculation fire here, his bio simply says “1st Team Manager of @donnybelles”.
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Too many assumptions from both sides, it might be totally innocent
Interesting timing though.
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Butts has been a great servant to the club but come on at his age he is only gonna be back up thus year , should be no where near the first team , couldn’t get in to a struggling league two team two years ago
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Only AB will know why he has put that up, and the fact it, and so many social media messages can be read/misread in so many ways is why it should be closed down. Nothing is any better for it.
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I think it's entirely possible we're reading too much into what is a fairly all-purpose motivational meme, no?
No, I don’t think it’s possible we’re reading too much into it.
If there’s nothing in it then it’s an extremely disruptive thing of AB to post on the day we return to training. It was always going to attract speculation like this.
100% .
Completely unprofessional from butler, stirring things up on the first day of training.
Time to cancel his contract
Sacking someone for posting a motivational quote seems a bit extreme, does it not?
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It could also read that he had a bad time last season as manager, but is ready to redeem his reputation, and show how determined he is to do so.
Whatever it means it is a storm in a tea cup either way, he either stays knuckles down and does the business, or he lets last years experience get the better of him, which I hope is not the case, as I feel he would still be an asset to the team and the club in general.
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The mans 40 years old, he wants to grow up a bit. Likely to be harmless but unnecessary.
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Is he talking about Matt Hancock.
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I haven’t seen any footage of bostock, bogle or butts from today, I’m sure there may be others missing too. My take would be he’s told butts it’s first team football only. He might not want to park the belles on the side? Bostock I would guess he’s told he’s free to either get stuck in or find a new club.
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I haven’t seen any footage of bostock, bogle or butts from today, I’m sure there may be others missing too. My take would be he’s told butts it’s first team football only. He might not want to park the belles on the side? Bostock I would guess he’s told he’s free to either get stuck in or find a new club.
Bostock and Bogle are in the video the club's Twitter account posted.
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I haven’t seen any footage of bostock, bogle or butts from today, I’m sure there may be others missing too. My take would be he’s told butts it’s first team football only. He might not want to park the belles on the side? Bostock I would guess he’s told he’s free to either get stuck in or find a new club.
Bostock and Bogle are in the video the club's Twitter account posted.
I withdraw my original statement!
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Yeah Bozzy was there, I am that sad I was looking through the video for him!
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I read it completely differently and that it made reference to being manager and now ‘just’ a player
This
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Bostock and Bogle were both there in training as I saw it.
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Butler often puts quotes on his Twitter. Nothing to see here!
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Nothing to do with this alleged Twitter thingy but somehow in the back my mind I can see Richie Wellens who’s my club manager upsetting more than enough players/people/supporters at the club. I will give him my full support and hope he does very well, but something doesn’t sit right with me and I’ve always been a half full sort of man
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Still have Butler, Bostock and Bogle on my watchlist for departures. For different reasons, can’t see them hanging around. For Butler, he has a tough choice as he can still perform at this level, but probably not next season after. If he can get a decent coaching job somewhere, you could see him leaving. The other two you just can’t see fitting in given what Wellens has said he wants.
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Some extremely odd and presumptive things being said in this thread. Let's wait and see where things shake out for Butts and Wellens eh.
Wellens did mention Butts when discussing the experienced players the new lads can learn from in an interview last week, which I took as a good sign. I'd be gutted if we drummed Butler out after all he's done for us...again. He deserves better.
Not that I'm saying we are doing or have done that to him by the way.
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I don’t see it as richy been childish , as he’s in a very unusual position where u take over as manager and the previous manager is still there !
Exactly, if anyone is being mardy it's butler
Well,is he.
We have no idea what Butts is really getting at.
agree . IF anyone is being mardy .
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I read it as him not deserting his post of CB, for the good of the team.
Not a great idea to post something so ambiguous though
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Isnt he just saying " I've been through adversity (i.e the managerial experience last season), but I'm not deserting my post", meaning he's still here & ready to muck in. I see it as a positive post.
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Isnt he just saying " I've been through adversity (i.e the managerial experience last season), but I'm not deserting my post", meaning he's still here & ready to muck in. I see it as a positive post.
Totally agree essexrover - some folk on here could work in government (or the media) they way the 'interpret`peoples posts on social media...
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There's a few rushing in here to nail their colours to the mast one way or the other off the back of a social media post by a 37-year-old third tier centre half.
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Totally agree Essex
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It’s disgraceful and quite pathetic ………that supposedly grown men with no clue about anything, can not only make up their own conclusions over another persons statement but also come to a damning verdict!
Try reading what vitriol you write then look at how other people may perceive you ….I guarantee you one thing….you are not a nice person, you are a plague on society and utterly despicable as a human being…..
I read it as a clarion call !
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The most interesting thing I'm taking from this is Andy Butler must read motivational quotes whilst sat on the toilet.
I favour Viz myself.
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The most interesting thing I'm taking from this is Andy Butler must read motivational quotes whilst sat on the toilet.
I favour Viz myself.
Exactly that. Mine is plumber's weekly. Ahem ;-)
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I find it unbelievable so many people are drawing such negative conclusions about that tweet from Butts.
Seriously guy’s do you think Butts would have any inclination to cause any disruption at the club?
It’s a rallying call to the troops. That’s how i read it and that’s how i see Butts as a character and his love for DRFC his home town club.
Amazing how such an innocent tweet can cause such a response from so many of our supporters on this forum.
People being very mischievous, tying to create a story that simply isn’t there to be told imo.
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Don't know what to make of that. Anyway. Forgetting it.
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I just see it as "glad to be back. Let's go again"
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The most interesting thing I'm taking from this is Andy Butler must read motivational quotes whilst sat on the toilet.
I favour Viz myself.
Exactly that. Mine is plumber's weekly. Ahem ;-)
You cannot beat The Pigeon Fanciers Gazette for inspiration.
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Anyone posting quotes on social media like this is annoying imo and that's all i'm going to take from it.
Butlers clearly a good guy and might not be in Wellens plans but don't rule out him getting into the team and staying there. It happened last season.
With the Euros and Wellens appointment i almost forgot what a shambles the second half of last season was. The mention of Butler brings it all back. Hopefully he can play a few games again just so that's not how he becomes remembered
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/the-latest-on-andy-butlers-standing-at-doncaster-rovers-according-to-richie-wellens-3293989
Seems fair enough. Just has to force his way in. However, where is Cameron John in all of this? He says he has 3 centerbacks..?
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/the-latest-on-andy-butlers-standing-at-doncaster-rovers-according-to-richie-wellens-3293989
Seems fair enough. Just has to force his way in. However, where is Cameron John in all of this? He says he has 3 centerbacks..?
As a left back? On his way out?
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Doesn't look good for CJ does it! At best he sounds like 4th choice CB or 2nd choice LB.
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He can play midfield too..
Aren’t we jumping to conclusions here.?
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He can play midfield too..
Aren’t we jumping to conclusions here.?
He doesn't have the technical ability to play midfield.
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Did RW mean he has three CH’s Williams, Anderson and John and Butts is behind them. Was he including Butts in the three, if so what’s happening to Cameron John, he is training this week. Will he be used in a different position or is there another plan for him. One question is answered about Butts, who has not be training in the morning, but thrown up another about CJ.
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If we don’t sign a LM, we might have to move TR further up the pitch and then we need CJ as a LB?
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He can play midfield too..
Aren’t we jumping to conclusions here.?
He doesn't have the technical ability to play midfield.
Might have to agree to disagree.. I got the impression last season that CJ was used as a utility player including a more advanced role..
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He can play midfield too..
Aren’t we jumping to conclusions here.?
He doesn't have the technical ability to play midfield.
Might have to agree to disagree.. I got the impression last season that CJ was used as a utility player including a more advanced role..
I don’t recall seeing him play in midfield at all but a lot of people on here mooted him for a role there. Would have to agree with DO, unless he comes on leaps and bounds technically he wouldn’t be up to it in midfield.
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Cameron John's passing is nowhere near good enough to play midfield.
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He scored a few goals mostly from set plays but never played further than left back and centre back. Seeing how uncomfortable on the ball he has been at left back last season any talk of playing further forward needs to stop.
He’s a centre half and we might as well get rid of Butler is ahead of him still.
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Reading the article again I believe the Three CHs RW is talking about are Anderson, Williams and John. Otherwise Butts would be involved in every game coming off the bench or playing. There wouldn’t be weeks were he was not involved I could be wrong with my assumption.
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Reading the article again I believe the Three CHs RW is talking about are Anderson, Williams and John. Otherwise Butts would be involved in every game coming off the bench or playing. There wouldn’t be weeks were he was not involved I could be wrong with my assumption.
I think you're right. CJ will be the 3rd choice CB as it stands.
RW seems to have a lot of faith in his new man, Williams, but having seen CJ play at CB when he first arrived at the club, I'd say he has a good chance of making RW change his mind during pre-season.
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Butler tweeted his Strava ride yesterday.
Maybe he’s on his bike!
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Upset of not been appointed of permanent manager
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Butler tweeted his Strava ride yesterday.
Maybe he’s on his bike!
That was 40km and he’s done 100km today as he tweeted again today.
So he doing well to ride on his bike then going to training later, he’s not training with the others in the morning.
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I was sort of trying to keep things light hearted :crying:
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I got it, Knockers!