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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: sha66y on July 16, 2021, 05:24:56 pm
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Yes
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Yes
That’s that sorted then.
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No
Sorted it as well
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1-1 mow then.
Could this go to penalties.
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Yes. Terrible human rights record, reduced rights for migrant workers (many risking their lives in the stadium construction), women's rights undermined, death penalty brought back recently.
FIFA awarded to them on backhanders and brown envelopes and dressed it up as spreading opportunity.
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I think it’s a good shout, but meaningless if it is just one big hitter. It’s incredible that the consensus is that England have just lost the opportunity to make a bid for 2030 because of what has just happened at Wembley, yet the next one is in Qatar.
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Qatar wanted it to big themselves up. So go ahead with the tournament but boycott showing it on telly. That way, Qatar still have to pay for everything (especially once the sponsors refuse to pay up because they don't get advertised) but get no promotional benefit from it - and it doesn't deny the players the chance to compete. Hit the right people and not the innocent.
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No,
Woukd have zero effect just one nation boycotting it and would only harm our country and our footballers
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No,
Woukd have zero effect just one nation boycotting it and would only harm our country and our footballers
Are you implying that the England football teams stance against racism doesn’t extend to human rights violations in other countries then?
A kind of selective “ stamp anything out that affects me” mentality, but bugger any other ethnic groups being systematically violated so I can play football?
Put it this way….if they ( England team) do not support other causes of racism, how can they hope to be seen as credible?
The guest workers in Qatar are practically modern day slaves with no rights whatsoever,
So if anyone thinks that black privileged footballers are being terribly mistreated, they should probably read the articles relating to Qatar….for a more balanced view, for to deny anything is happening and has already happened is to condone abuse of other races!
Mull it over and come back with a good reason why you think they should play…
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No,
Woukd have zero effect just one nation boycotting it and would only harm our country and our footballers
Pulling out our players would only harm the country and especially the players and do bugger all to Qatar. As for just one country boycotting television country, we'd of course campaign for other countries to follow our lead. Playing in a tournament but not televising it is a more powerful statement as it lasts for a month and underlines the reason for the whole of that time. Just pulling out months before the tournament only lasts for as long as it takes to make the announcement. We'd get replaced by somebody else (remember Denmark 1992?) and the tournament would carry on without us and do nothing to Qatar at all. They'd still get promoted on telly and the sponsors money will still roll in.
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No,
Woukd have zero effect just one nation boycotting it and would only harm our country and our footballers
Pulling out our players would only harm the country and especially the players and do bugger all to Qatar. As for just one country boycotting television country, we'd of course campaign for other countries to follow our lead. Playing in a tournament but not televising it is a more powerful statement as it lasts for a month and underlines the reason for the whole of that time. Just pulling out months before the tournament only lasts for as long as it takes to make the announcement. We'd get replaced by somebody else (remember Denmark 1992?) and the tournament would carry on without us and do nothing to Qatar at all. They'd still get promoted on telly and the sponsors money will still roll in.
And we as a nation would set ourselves up has the bastions in the fight for racial equality, our politicians and football authorities would have to back the stance too…
BEIN Sport does not need UK advertising money…..it’s needs the world to sanction and endorse its handling of human rights ……
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I suppose now, if nations decided to boycot Qatar in protest at the treatment of guest workers, then all those lives lost would be for nothing.
It's a difficult situation because the tournament should never have been awarded to Qatar in the first place.
The players of the nations involved have a lot of power in this and if they were to act in unison then a very powerful message could be sent. They all have phones.
What sort of action would be most appropriate? I'm really not sure.
It would be something, if somehow those stadiums could be turned into a memorial to the guest workers, rather than palaces to the glory of the Qatar elite.
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No,
Woukd have zero effect just one nation boycotting it and would only harm our country and our footballers
You could, of course, act on your own principles and refuse to watch any of it on television yourself.
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No,
Woukd have zero effect just one nation boycotting it and would only harm our country and our footballers
You could, of course, act on your own principles and refuse to watch any of it on television yourself.
I was saying no to boycotting the tournament rather than not showing it on tv so was agreeing with u
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No,
Woukd have zero effect just one nation boycotting it and would only harm our country and our footballers
Are you implying that the England football teams stance against racism doesn’t extend to human rights violations in other countries then?
A kind of selective “ stamp anything out that affects me” mentality, but bugger any other ethnic groups being systematically violated so I can play football?
Put it this way….if they ( England team) do not support other causes of racism, how can they hope to be seen as credible?
The guest workers in Qatar are practically modern day slaves with no rights whatsoever,
So if anyone thinks that black privileged footballers are being terribly mistreated, they should probably read the articles relating to Qatar….for a more balanced view, for to deny anything is happening and has already happened is to condone abuse of other races!
Mull it over and come back with a good reason why you think they should play…
You do seem to have a strange negative attitude to people of colour.
And obviously have no understanding on the subject as you yourself have mentioned previously.
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No,
Woukd have zero effect just one nation boycotting it and would only harm our country and our footballers
Are you implying that the England football teams stance against racism doesn’t extend to human rights violations in other countries then?
A kind of selective “ stamp anything out that affects me” mentality, but bugger any other ethnic groups being systematically violated so I can play football?
Put it this way….if they ( England team) do not support other causes of racism, how can they hope to be seen as credible?
The guest workers in Qatar are practically modern day slaves with no rights whatsoever,
So if anyone thinks that black privileged footballers are being terribly mistreated, they should probably read the articles relating to Qatar….for a more balanced view, for to deny anything is happening and has already happened is to condone abuse of other races!
Mull it over and come back with a good reason why you think they should play…
You do seem to have a strange negative attitude to people of colour.
And obviously have no understanding on the subject as you yourself have mentioned previously.
Good answer and says a lot…
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No,
Woukd have zero effect just one nation boycotting it and would only harm our country and our footballers
I think the same debate is probably going in in other countries too
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In a word yes.
Only way to stop it happening is all the major Soccer Nations come together and tel FIFA it ain’t happening.
If the all do that then FIFA are powerless. They would have to listen and ultimately take action.
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Sorry
But there’s absolutely no way all the nations would boycott it.
We’d do it alone and they’d just replace us with someone else
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Sorry
But there’s absolutely no way all the nations would boycott it.
We’d do it alone and they’d just replace us with someone else
You come across as “football first “ at ANY cost?
In fact I think if someone pointed out that the bones of the dead slave workers was crushed and used as under soil drainage , you would probably think that was a novel idea,
I can’t knock your dedication to football, but your moral compass is well and truly broken…
But ya answers are fun to read, and that’s why we have debates
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Sorry
But there’s absolutely no way all the nations would boycott it.
We’d do it alone and they’d just replace us with someone else
Sha66y, you may fInd this reply amusing, but in this instance it correct. If FIFA had any moral compass they wouldn’t have given it to Qatar in the first place. IMO FIFA would not only replace England in this competition but more than likely ban us from future competitions as well.
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Sorry
But there’s absolutely no way all the nations would boycott it.
We’d do it alone and they’d just replace us with someone else
You come across as “football first “ at ANY cost?
In fact I think if someone pointed out that the bones of the dead slave workers was crushed and used as under soil drainage , you would probably think that was a novel idea,
I can’t knock your dedication to football, but your moral compass is well and truly broken…
But ya answers are fun to read, and that’s why we have debates
Your replies are more depressing than fun,
You really struggle to understand most topics.
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Sorry
But there’s absolutely no way all the nations would boycott it.
We’d do it alone and they’d just replace us with someone else
Not saying they would.
Just saying that is the only way to stop it.
It will not happen of course, unfortunately.
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Sorry
But there’s absolutely no way all the nations would boycott it.
We’d do it alone and they’d just replace us with someone else
You come across as “football first “ at ANY cost?
In fact I think if someone pointed out that the bones of the dead slave workers was crushed and used as under soil drainage , you would probably think that was a novel idea,
I can’t knock your dedication to football, but your moral compass is well and truly broken…
But ya answers are fun to read, and that’s why we have debates
Your replies are more depressing than fun,
You really struggle to understand most topics.
Come on you two. Pack it in. Let’s have a sensible debate.
Slagging each other off is such a waste of energy. :that:
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Sorry
But there’s absolutely no way all the nations would boycott it.
We’d do it alone and they’d just replace us with someone else
You come across as “football first “ at ANY cost?
In fact I think if someone pointed out that the bones of the dead slave workers was crushed and used as under soil drainage , you would probably think that was a novel idea,
I can’t knock your dedication to football, but your moral compass is well and truly broken…
But ya answers are fun to read, and that’s why we have debates
It's not 'football first', but by stopping thr players from taking part you're punishing them and not hurting the Qataris one jot. My suggestion is to hold the tournament, make the Qataris pay for it but don't give them the kudos they're wanting from it. Punish the guilty, not the innocent.
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Yes from me and wouldn't be upset at the lack of football but immensely proud of the stand taken! I suspect if one major nation did others would follow. Then the Qataris really have wasted billions and the people remembered will the ones who brought this about loosing their lives
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Sorry
But there’s absolutely no way all the nations would boycott it.
We’d do it alone and they’d just replace us with someone else
You come across as “football first “ at ANY cost?
In fact I think if someone pointed out that the bones of the dead slave workers was crushed and used as under soil drainage , you would probably think that was a novel idea,
I can’t knock your dedication to football, but your moral compass is well and truly broken…
But ya answers are fun to read, and that’s why we have debates
It's not 'football first', but by stopping thr players from taking part you're punishing them and not hurting the Qataris one jot. My suggestion is to hold the tournament, make the Qataris pay for it but don't give them the kudos they're wanting from it. Punish the guilty, not the innocent.
Surely it would be easier for 30 guys to say “ no thanks” than what you are proposing, to stop all broadcasts would be impossible !
and I don’t consider it to be a punishment to a footballer that has a conscience to miss a tournament on humane grounds
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Good to see sha66y standing up for deprived people and migrant workers, well done sir.
I presume you will be including a boycott of all British building companies employed on contracts in Qatar, such as Carrillion, in your campaign?
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/revealed-british-firms-1billion-deals-4099028
https://www.pesmedia.com/qatar-world-cup-2022-british-firms/
And extending it to the British government who continue to sell arms to this intolerant regime that won the World Cup and allows the abuse to go on.
https://aoav.org.uk/2018/uk-arms-exports-to-qatar/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/27/17bn-of-uk-arms-sold-to-rights-abusers
If you can post a link to the petitions to the government you are no doubt going to be starting that would be great
Ta
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Sorry
But there’s absolutely no way all the nations would boycott it.
We’d do it alone and they’d just replace us with someone else
You come across as “football first “ at ANY cost?
In fact I think if someone pointed out that the bones of the dead slave workers was crushed and used as under soil drainage , you would probably think that was a novel idea,
I can’t knock your dedication to football, but your moral compass is well and truly broken…
But ya answers are fun to read, and that’s why we have debates
It's not 'football first', but by stopping thr players from taking part you're punishing them and not hurting the Qataris one jot. My suggestion is to hold the tournament, make the Qataris pay for it but don't give them the kudos they're wanting from it. Punish the guilty, not the innocent.
Surely it would be easier for 30 guys to say “ no thanks” than what you are proposing, to stop all broadcasts would be impossible !
and I don’t consider it to be a punishment to a footballer that has a conscience to miss a tournament on humane grounds
People acting on their own conscience s thoroughly commendable. Taking away their choice of action based on their own conscience isn't commendable.
As for the television non-coverage, I'd be happy if only the UK decided to boycott, but if we could persuade others to do the same that'd be great.
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Yes.
But they won’t. No one will.
It will be interesting to see how Qatar react if teams choose to protest in any way shape or form though.
This isn’t France or Germany. It’s a deeply conservative Muslim State where speaking out can get you in a lot of trouble.
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But that trouble would piss away any of the kudos they get for hosting the tournament in an instant. Which means there'll no doubt be some 'supporters' (ie protesters) hell-bent on provoking them as much as possible to get that reaction out of them.
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Sporting boycotts don’t work. Remember the 1980 and 1984 Olympics when various nations boycotted dependent on who’s side of the cold war they were on? Those boycotts changed nothing.
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It helped against apartheid
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It helped against apartheid
I think the end of apartheid in SA had more to do with internal politics than any sporting boycott. As I recall, sporting boycotts of SA began in the early 60’s, around 30 years before apartheid ended.
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sanctions were imposed on sports people and others playing SA and South Africans were banned from playing in many countries it all helped in global activism against the regime and its policies.
Economic pressure came from international sanctions and you'd never guess which leading lights that were against sanctions .............. thatcher & reagan. sporting sanctions played a part.
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Sporting boycotts don’t work. Remember the 1980 and 1984 Olympics when various nations boycotted dependent on who’s side of the cold war they were on? Those boycotts changed nothing.
Those boycotts weren't meant to change anything, they were political gestures of the most useless kind - ie decisions of cowardly politicians who refused to do anything of any actual substance - and the only people they affected were the athletes denied the chance to compete at an Olympics.
For example, in 1980 Thatcher refused to impose proper sanctions on Russia, but was bloody quick to demand that Olympic athletes should sacrifice their careers for a meaningless gesture.