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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: bpoolrover on July 21, 2021, 01:26:22 am
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https://inews.co.uk/opinion/labour-finances-keir-starmer-party-redundancies-crisis-1112346/amp Let's forget the tories for a minute as every post is still attacking them or saying how bad they are, after all this time do you not think you should change tact and sort your own party out, the poll on this link has labour 13 points behind, why not change?
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feel free to post whatever you wish bp, the only people that seem complain about what is posted or what is said or the grammar appear to be from your branch of the political sphere and the associated fan club
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It does seem like this is the tome now that any party which had a leader with passion and direction would tear the tories apart. What do we have then................? Yup were f**ked
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When you look at what the tories have put the country through for the past 10 years and the main reaction is a stifled yawn by those that can't be arsed to vote and those that want more of the same, what is the answer?
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I would think that a good place to start would be for the LP to put its own house in order, appoint a leader who can actually lead and adopt policies that appeal to the electorate but be real objectives rather than pie in the sky ones.
Then some Labour supporters might consider not slagging off anyone who has a different opinion to them.
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I would think that a good place to start would be for the LP to put its own house in order, appoint a leader who can actually lead and adopt policies that appeal to the electorate but be real objectives rather than pie in the sky ones.
Then some Labour supporters might consider not slagging off anyone who has a different opinion to them.
Good suggestion hound, would you like to flesh out what some of those things might be, what would appeal to you?
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I would think that a good place to start would be for the LP to put its own house in order, appoint a leader who can actually lead and adopt policies that appeal to the electorate but be real objectives rather than pie in the sky ones.
Then some Labour supporters might consider not slagging off anyone who has a different opinion to them.
Good suggestion hound, would you like to flesh out what some of those things might be, what would appeal to you?
But that is the point SR.
It is for the LP to do, from the top.
Not for me to do.
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Get people like yourself and some other disciples to vote Tory, and then we might get our Labour Party back.
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I would think that a good place to start would be for the LP to put its own house in order, appoint a leader who can actually lead and adopt policies that appeal to the electorate but be real objectives rather than pie in the sky ones.
Then some Labour supporters might consider not slagging off anyone who has a different opinion to them.
Good suggestion hound, would you like to flesh out what some of those things might be, what would appeal to you?
But that is the point SR.
It is for the LP to do, from the top.
Not for me to do.
I beg to differ hound, labour supporters are obviously getting it wrong, If you could define what it would take for someone unlikely to vote labour ever to change their mind it could be a deal breaker, don't you think?
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I would think that a good place to start would be for the LP to put its own house in order, appoint a leader who can actually lead and adopt policies that appeal to the electorate but be real objectives rather than pie in the sky ones.
Then some Labour supporters might consider not slagging off anyone who has a different opinion to them.
Good suggestion hound, would you like to flesh out what some of those things might be, what would appeal to you?
But that is the point SR.
It is for the LP to do, from the top.
Not for me to do.
I beg to differ hound, labour supporters are obviously getting it wrong, If you could define what it would take for someone unlikely to vote labour ever to change their mind it could be a deal breaker, don't you think?
You are doing your best to prove my point.
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I would think that a good place to start would be for the LP to put its own house in order, appoint a leader who can actually lead and adopt policies that appeal to the electorate but be real objectives rather than pie in the sky ones.
Then some Labour supporters might consider not slagging off anyone who has a different opinion to them.
Good suggestion hound, would you like to flesh out what some of those things might be, what would appeal to you?
But that is the point SR.
It is for the LP to do, from the top.
Not for me to do.
I beg to differ hound, labour supporters are obviously getting it wrong, If you could define what it would take for someone unlikely to vote labour ever to change their mind it could be a deal breaker, don't you think?
You are doing your best to prove my point.
Please point to where I have seemingly offended you hound, am I correct in what I say?
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I would think that a good place to start would be for the LP to put its own house in order, appoint a leader who can actually lead and adopt policies that appeal to the electorate but be real objectives rather than pie in the sky ones.
Then some Labour supporters might consider not slagging off anyone who has a different opinion to them.
Good suggestion hound, would you like to flesh out what some of those things might be, what would appeal to you?
But that is the point SR.
It is for the LP to do, from the top.
Not for me to do.
I beg to differ hound, labour supporters are obviously getting it wrong, If you could define what it would take for someone unlikely to vote labour ever to change their mind it could be a deal breaker, don't you think?
You are doing your best to prove my point.
Please point to where I have seemingly offended you hound, am I correct in what I say?
I don’t know why you would say that.
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I would think that a good place to start would be for the LP to put its own house in order, appoint a leader who can actually lead and adopt policies that appeal to the electorate but be real objectives rather than pie in the sky ones.
Then some Labour supporters might consider not slagging off anyone who has a different opinion to them.
Good suggestion hound, would you like to flesh out what some of those things might be, what would appeal to you?
But that is the point SR.
It is for the LP to do, from the top.
Not for me to do.
I beg to differ hound, labour supporters are obviously getting it wrong, If you could define what it would take for someone unlikely to vote labour ever to change their mind it could be a deal breaker, don't you think?
You are doing your best to prove my point.
Please point to where I have seemingly offended you hound, am I correct in what I say?
I don’t know why you would say that.
Is this going to be another accusation levelled at me from you going unsubstantiated hound?
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I would think that a good place to start would be for the LP to put its own house in order, appoint a leader who can actually lead and adopt policies that appeal to the electorate but be real objectives rather than pie in the sky ones.
Then some Labour supporters might consider not slagging off anyone who has a different opinion to them.
Good suggestion hound, would you like to flesh out what some of those things might be, what would appeal to you?
But that is the point SR.
It is for the LP to do, from the top.
Not for me to do.
I beg to differ hound, labour supporters are obviously getting it wrong, If you could define what it would take for someone unlikely to vote labour ever to change their mind it could be a deal breaker, don't you think?
You are doing your best to prove my point.
Please point to where I have seemingly offended you hound, am I correct in what I say?
I don’t know why you would say that.
Is this going to be another accusation levelled at me from you going unsubstantiated hound?
I really have no idea what you are on about.
Where have I said you have offended me.
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I would think that a good place to start would be for the LP to put its own house in order, appoint a leader who can actually lead and adopt policies that appeal to the electorate but be real objectives rather than pie in the sky ones.
Then some Labour supporters might consider not slagging off anyone who has a different opinion to them.
Good suggestion hound, would you like to flesh out what some of those things might be, what would appeal to you?
But that is the point SR.
It is for the LP to do, from the top.
Not for me to do.
I beg to differ hound, labour supporters are obviously getting it wrong, If you could define what it would take for someone unlikely to vote labour ever to change their mind it could be a deal breaker, don't you think?
You are doing your best to prove my point.
Please point to where I have seemingly offended you hound, am I correct in what I say?
I don’t know why you would say that.
Is this going to be another accusation levelled at me from you going unsubstantiated hound?
I really have no idea what you are on about.
Where have I said you have offended me.
So why this ''You are doing your best to prove my point'' instead of answering the question, what does it mean? Have you got an answer?
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I would think that a good place to start would be for the LP to put its own house in order, appoint a leader who can actually lead and adopt policies that appeal to the electorate but be real objectives rather than pie in the sky ones.
Then some Labour supporters might consider not slagging off anyone who has a different opinion to them.
Good suggestion hound, would you like to flesh out what some of those things might be, what would appeal to you?
But that is the point SR.
It is for the LP to do, from the top.
Not for me to do.
I beg to differ hound, labour supporters are obviously getting it wrong, If you could define what it would take for someone unlikely to vote labour ever to change their mind it could be a deal breaker, don't you think?
You are doing your best to prove my point.
Please point to where I have seemingly offended you hound, am I correct in what I say?
I don’t know why you would say that.
Is this going to be another accusation levelled at me from you going unsubstantiated hound?
I really have no idea what you are on about.
Where have I said you have offended me.
So why this ''You are doing your best to prove my point'' instead of answering the question, what does it mean? Have you got an answer?
So by saying that you are reading into it that I said you have offended me?
Jeeeez.
No hope for some.
I will leave this now because you are (in my opinion) looking for an argument.
FWIIW I did answer the question you posed and told you that it isn’t for me to come up with solutions for the LP.
Bye.
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I would think that a good place to start would be for the LP to put its own house in order, appoint a leader who can actually lead and adopt policies that appeal to the electorate but be real objectives rather than pie in the sky ones.
Then some Labour supporters might consider not slagging off anyone who has a different opinion to them.
Good suggestion hound, would you like to flesh out what some of those things might be, what would appeal to you?
But that is the point SR.
It is for the LP to do, from the top.
Not for me to do.
I beg to differ hound, labour supporters are obviously getting it wrong, If you could define what it would take for someone unlikely to vote labour ever to change their mind it could be a deal breaker, don't you think?
You are doing your best to prove my point.
Please point to where I have seemingly offended you hound, am I correct in what I say?
I don’t know why you would say that.
Is this going to be another accusation levelled at me from you going unsubstantiated hound?
I really have no idea what you are on about.
Where have I said you have offended me.
So why this ''You are doing your best to prove my point'' instead of answering the question, what does it mean? Have you got an answer?
So by saying that you are reading into it that I said you have offended me?
Jeeeez.
No hope for some.
I will leave this now because you are (in my opinion) looking for an argument.
FWIIW I did answer the question you posed and told you that it isn’t for me to come up with solutions for the LP.
Bye.
This is good training for dentistry aye, please don't complain about my posts any time soon hound when your are not interested in the least in discussing a topic in good faith.
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https://inews.co.uk/opinion/labour-finances-keir-starmer-party-redundancies-crisis-1112346/amp Let's forget the tories for a minute as every post is still attacking them or saying how bad they are, after all this time do you not think you should change tact and sort your own party out, the poll on this link has labour 13 points behind, why not change?
I’m not sure that opinion polls are an accurate barometer of opinion anymore. If you look at this poll from Survation yesterday it tells a slightly different story:
https://mobile.twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1417560481628311554
Re the Labour Party, it’s been challenging for them as I guess they’ve wanted to show some ‘national unity’ during Covid so openly holding the government to account has been difficult. However, I’ve noticed that Starmer has recently begun to proactively attack Johnson more fluidly which is what most Labour supporters have been crying out for. Johnson really is an open goal for Starmer and he needs to continue to take much more advantage of this.
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Could be set to get worse yet as they ostracised more members and potentially, depending where the Unite election goes a reduction in party funding from the Unions.
The party has managed to go from the richest party in Europe to on the brink in a matter of a year.
Whats gone so wrong that they've managed to lose nearly £400'000 a month in membership subs (including mine)?
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I would think that a good place to start would be for the LP to put its own house in order, appoint a leader who can actually lead and adopt policies that appeal to the electorate but be real objectives rather than pie in the sky ones.
Then some Labour supporters might consider not slagging off anyone who has a different opinion to them.
Good suggestion hound, would you like to flesh out what some of those things might be, what would appeal to you?
But that is the point SR.
It is for the LP to do, from the top.
Not for me to do.
I beg to differ hound, labour supporters are obviously getting it wrong, If you could define what it would take for someone unlikely to vote labour ever to change their mind it could be a deal breaker, don't you think?
You are doing your best to prove my point.
Please point to where I have seemingly offended you hound, am I correct in what I say?
I don’t know why you would say that.
Is this going to be another accusation levelled at me from you going unsubstantiated hound?
I really have no idea what you are on about.
Where have I said you have offended me.
So why this ''You are doing your best to prove my point'' instead of answering the question, what does it mean? Have you got an answer?
So by saying that you are reading into it that I said you have offended me?
Jeeeez.
No hope for some.
I will leave this now because you are (in my opinion) looking for an argument.
FWIIW I did answer the question you posed and told you that it isn’t for me to come up with solutions for the LP.
Bye.
This is good training for dentistry aye, please don't complain about my posts any time soon hound when your are not interested in the least in discussing a topic in good faith.
Can I ask fellow posters if they can spot anywhere in this chat with SR where I have said that I think he has offended me.
I genuinely can’t see where I have done.
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What's gone wrong? Maybe a bunch of arrivistes who hijacked the party and took it to its worst election defeat for 85 years have decided to go home in a huff? Just a guess.
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You say they took it to defeat, I say the Party machine worked bloody hard to ensure it was defeated.
How could anyone trust Keith with the economy when he can't even look after the Labour bank account?
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Always somebody else's fault with the Left isn't it? You reckon the Party Machinery was responsible for Labour hitting 18% in the polls two years ago? Or (just maybe) it was Corbyn's sixth form common room level handling of Salisbury, anti-Semitism and Brexit?
But here's a thing. When he was destroying the credibility of the party like that, some of us didn't take our toys home. Some of us argued the toss while remaining members.
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Are you kidding?
All I've heard for the last 6 months is excuse after excuse for Labours stuttering position in terms of polls, by-elections and leaking members.
Nobody who's moved away is returning, a fairly big chunk of people who were Labour aren't sticking a vote in their box either.
We've had over a year of a pandemic being handled like an absolute shit show, public money being coughed up to mates hand over fist and a Brexit that is on the verge of crashing a massive chunk of our economy and yet people would still have more faith in Boris than Keith (considerably so).
I've been checking some of the majorities across our local area recently that still have a Labour MP sat in them and its clear there won't be a single one left after the next election.
The likes of yourself, Flint, Ian Austin and Kinnock the younger will still be blaming Corbyn and the Left though, of that I'm quite sure.
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Always somebody else's fault with the Left isn't it?
Don't you see the irony? You're literally blaming the left for Starmer doing shit. :laugh:
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We've had over a year of a pandemic being handled like an absolute shit show, public money being coughed up to mates hand over fist and a Brexit that is on the verge of crashing a massive chunk of our economy and yet people would still have more faith in Boris than Keith (considerably so).
sure.
Who Keith...... is he new Labour...? :whistle:
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I would think that a good place to start would be for the LP to put its own house in order, appoint a leader who can actually lead and adopt policies that appeal to the electorate but be real objectives rather than pie in the sky ones.
Then some Labour supporters might consider not slagging off anyone who has a different opinion to them.
Good suggestion hound, would you like to flesh out what some of those things might be, what would appeal to you?
But that is the point SR.
It is for the LP to do, from the top.
Not for me to do.
I beg to differ hound, labour supporters are obviously getting it wrong, If you could define what it would take for someone unlikely to vote labour ever to change their mind it could be a deal breaker, don't you think?
You are doing your best to prove my point.
Please point to where I have seemingly offended you hound, am I correct in what I say?
I don’t know why you would say that.
Is this going to be another accusation levelled at me from you going unsubstantiated hound?
I really have no idea what you are on about.
Where have I said you have offended me.
So why this ''You are doing your best to prove my point'' instead of answering the question, what does it mean? Have you got an answer?
So by saying that you are reading into it that I said you have offended me?
Jeeeez.
No hope for some.
I will leave this now because you are (in my opinion) looking for an argument.
FWIIW I did answer the question you posed and told you that it isn’t for me to come up with solutions for the LP.
Bye.
This is good training for dentistry aye, please don't complain about my posts any time soon hound when your are not interested in the least in discussing a topic in good faith.
Read your first post on this thread, Sydney. Then get back to us on discussing in good faith.
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I do wonder what the future holds for politics, not just in the uk, but globally.
In the coming century, the challenges will be about surviving and living with the effects of climate change. No govt in the world seems to want to accept this, or do anything about it.
They reckon in the next 30 to 50 years, huge swathes of Lincolnshire, where I currently live, will be under water. That’s about 1/2 million people needing rehoming. And Lincolnshire is not alone in this. There are plenty of other areas of the uk at similar risk.
Doncaster could end up being a new coastal town.
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I do wonder what the future holds for politics, not just in the uk, but globally.
In the coming century, the challenges will be about surviving and living with the effects of climate change. No govt in the world seems to want to accept this, or do anything about it.
They reckon in the next 30 to 50 years, huge swathes of Lincolnshire, where I currently live, will be under water. That’s about 1/2 million people needing rehoming. And Lincolnshire is not alone in this. There are plenty of other areas of the uk at similar risk.
Doncaster could end up being a new coastal town.
Let's hope we're better than Skegness...!
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I do wonder what the future holds for politics, not just in the uk, but globally.
In the coming century, the challenges will be about surviving and living with the effects of climate change. No govt in the world seems to want to accept this, or do anything about it.
They reckon in the next 30 to 50 years, huge swathes of Lincolnshire, where I currently live, will be under water. That’s about 1/2 million people needing rehoming. And Lincolnshire is not alone in this. There are plenty of other areas of the uk at similar risk.
Doncaster could end up being a new coastal town.
I remember reading something like this when I was much younger. The warning 40 years ago was that in 50 years time, Doncaster would be on the coast.
The reality is even Cleethorpes still isn’t near the sea most of the time.
I do worry about climate change, but I don’t think I am going to have to put my towel out early to stop Barnsley folk from sitting on my beach.
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I do wonder what the future holds for politics, not just in the uk, but globally.
In the coming century, the challenges will be about surviving and living with the effects of climate change. No govt in the world seems to want to accept this, or do anything about it.
They reckon in the next 30 to 50 years, huge swathes of Lincolnshire, where I currently live, will be under water. That’s about 1/2 million people needing rehoming. And Lincolnshire is not alone in this. There are plenty of other areas of the uk at similar risk.
Doncaster could end up being a new coastal town.
I remember reading something like this when I was much younger. The warning 40 years ago was that in 50 years time, Doncaster would be on the coast.
The reality is even Cleethorpes still isn’t near the sea most of the time.
I do worry about climate change, but I don’t think I am going to have to put my towel out early to stop Barnsley folk from sitting on my beach.
I vaguely remember Raise the Roof doing an article in the late 80’s on where the Rovers will be in the year 2000. They reckoned we’d be playing in a stadium named “Elstadio Belle Vue” however global warming would have flooded large swathes of Donny and Doncaster Dome would be underwater and have become the Doncaster Nipple!
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We worry about it, then we don’t because we can’t see it. (Yet)
Glimpses of it recently in the US and Germany and very close to home in recent years.
Global mean sea level has increased by approximately 20 centimetres since records began in the mid 19th century. Satellite measurements show that the current rate of sea level rise is around 3mm per year. In the period 1961-2003 it has recently been estimated that 40% of sea level rise was caused by the expansion of water as it was heated by global warming and 60% from shrinking glaciers and ice caps.
The reason we don’t notice it, is that it has been gradual. But it’s speeding up. Events like the flooding around Fishlake not too long ago will be more frequent. An area just SE of Lincoln was under water for weeks in recent years. Wainfleet near skeg was under water for weeks also, and although it was a burst bank, it just shows that water levels are putting pressure on our already fragile defences.
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Are you kidding?
All I've heard for the last 6 months is excuse after excuse for Labours stuttering position in terms of polls, by-elections and leaking members.
Nobody who's moved away is returning, a fairly big chunk of people who were Labour aren't sticking a vote in their box either.
We've had over a year of a pandemic being handled like an absolute shit show, public money being coughed up to mates hand over fist and a Brexit that is on the verge of crashing a massive chunk of our economy and yet people would still have more faith in Boris than Keith (considerably so).
I've been checking some of the majorities across our local area recently that still have a Labour MP sat in them and its clear there won't be a single one left after the next election.
The likes of yourself, Flint, Ian Austin and Kinnock the younger will still be blaming Corbyn and the Left though, of that I'm quite sure.
Typical response from the Left. If you don't agree with us, you are in the Flint/Austin camp. f**king risible.
The bigger point though is that so many of the people who joined the Labour party 6 years ago have f**ked off as soon as they realised that there are very hard challenges for a party on the left to form a coalition wide enough to be a serious electoral force in the current atmosphere. That puts them squarely in the same circle of Hell as Umunna and his gang.
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Kier starmer now having to self isolate due to his child getting covid. Let’s hope he is squeak6 clean with it. The gutter press will be watching him.
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Kier starmer now having to self isolate due to his child getting covid. Let’s hope he is squeak6 clean with it. The gutter press will be watching him.
Whats the chances of that eh? Two Members of the Govt being randomly select for the pilot scheme and the leader of the opposition missing out
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Kier starmer now having to self isolate due to his child getting covid. Let’s hope he is squeak6 clean with it. The gutter press will be watching him.
I thought he'd been self isolating for the past 14 months .
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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A lot of Lincolnshire is just below sea level anyway. Mablethorpe certainly is.
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Kier starmer now having to self isolate due to his child getting covid. Let’s hope he is squeak6 clean with it. The gutter press will be watching him.
Whats the chances of that eh? Two Members of the Govt being randomly select for the pilot scheme and the leader of the opposition missing out
He should be exempt aswell if he's testing negative, he's important and should be exempt.
I hope it was a lateral flow test his child did otherwise he should have isolated pending the result.
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I do wonder what the future holds for politics, not just in the uk, but globally.
In the coming century, the challenges will be about surviving and living with the effects of climate change. No govt in the world seems to want to accept this, or do anything about it.
They reckon in the next 30 to 50 years, huge swathes of Lincolnshire, where I currently live, will be under water. That’s about 1/2 million people needing rehoming. And Lincolnshire is not alone in this. There are plenty of other areas of the uk at similar risk.
Doncaster could end up being a new coastal town.
I remember reading something like this when I was much younger. The warning 40 years ago was that in 50 years time, Doncaster would be on the coast.
The reality is even Cleethorpes still isn’t near the sea most of the time.
I do worry about climate change, but I don’t think I am going to have to put my towel out early to stop Barnsley folk from sitting on my beach.
I vaguely remember Raise the Roof doing an article in the late 80’s on where the Rovers will be in the year 2000. They reckoned we’d be playing in a stadium named “Elstadio Belle Vue” however global warming would have flooded large swathes of Donny and Doncaster Dome would be underwater and have become the Doncaster Nipple!
The North Sea nipple !!
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Such a broad church and elected to build on the work of Jeremy Corbyn .
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/20/labour-votes-to-ban-four-far-left-factions-that-supported-corbyns-leadership
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How apt that the leader of one of the banned groups is called R. Sewell.
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How apt that the leader of one of the banned groups is called R. Sewell.
To be fair Billy you couldn't really get away with standing on a Labour leadership ticket of building on the work of Tony Blair .
That would require you to invade Iraq killing 5m people and becoming a war criminal .
Creating the culture with the finance industry to bankrupt the country .
Saddle the country with billions of pounds worth of debt that future generations are saddled with just so you look at least remotely socially democratic when building new schools and hospitals .
Start to privatise the NHS .
No best stick to Corbyn's mandate and get elected as Labour leader where at least you can renegade on it once elected just as you influenced renegading on a brexit position in an election manifesto .
I wouldn't trust Keith to tell me the right time of day .
It's a toss up whose the biggest charlatan in the HOC , Keith or the Buffoon sat directly across from him .
About the width of a fag paper between em .
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Tyke.
I do wonder if you actually process these thought before you post them.
The "oh they are to the right of me therefore they are Red Tories" is THE most intellectually vacuous logic in the whole of politics.
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Tyke.
I do wonder if you actually process these thought before you post them.
The "oh they are to the right of me therefore they are Red Tories" is THE most intellectually vacuous logic in the whole of politics.
You could also try and deny that what I posted didn't happen Billy .
The mud slinging won't alter the facts of course so it's a bit of a poor look .
I'll give Blair some credit at least whether I agreed with him or not at least he had the minerals to stand up at the Labour Party Conference and stand by his convictions .
Keith's so insecure he's frightened to death by 1000 left wing members , so much so he's banned em .
He's managed to replace the 1000 with John Bercow !!! .
Never mind I'm sure you've got it all under control Billy , lob a few tennis balls over the railings that section off Downing Street from the public on one of your usual virtue signalling days out in the capital .
That will show em .
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Tyke. You don't need to lecture me about Blair. I left the party because of him. But I was never going to vote in a way that would help put Duncan Smith or Howard into No10. That's the difference between us.
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Rumours surfacing that Ken Loach is to be expelled from the Labour Party .
Absolutely disgraceful if true .
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Tik Tok?
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Rumours surfacing that Ken Loach is to be expelled from the Labour Party .
Absolutely disgraceful if true .
Some words from the great Tony Benn.
"If the Labour Party could be bullied or persuaded to denounce its Marxists, the media - having tasted blood - would demand next that it expelled all its Socialist and reunited the remaining Labour Party with the SDP to form a harmless alternative to the Conservatives, which could then be allowed to take office now and then when the Conservatives fell out of favour with the public. Thus British Capitalism, it is argued, will be made safe forever, and socialism would be squeezed of the National agenda. But if such a strategy were to succeed… it would in fact profoundly endanger British society. For it would open up the danger of a swing to the far-right, as we have seen in Europe over the last 50 years."
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Rumours surfacing that Ken Loach is to be expelled from the Labour Party .
Absolutely disgraceful if true .
Some words from the great Tony Benn.
"If the Labour Party could be bullied or persuaded to denounce its Marxists, the media - having tasted blood - would demand next that it expelled all its Socialist and reunited the remaining Labour Party with the SDP to form a harmless alternative to the Conservatives, which could then be allowed to take office now and then when the Conservatives fell out of favour with the public. Thus British Capitalism, it is argued, will be made safe forever, and socialism would be squeezed of the National agenda. But if such a strategy were to succeed… it would in fact profoundly endanger British society. For it would open up the danger of a swing to the far-right, as we have seen in Europe over the last 50 years."
So you know what the problem is, what is the answer?
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Vote neither
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Vote neither
It's not those within the party you need to persuade methinks, but those without that don't give a toss, those that appear unlikely to vote, why would they vote if they think all politicians are the same?
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Interesting one this..For me Labours biggest problem is one I dont think they can actually fix. It has got to the stage were they are basically two party's trying to co-exist under one umbrella. Both groups believing they hold the core values of the Labour party but seemingly miles apart in the interpretation of that.
We have a tory government led by a buffoon who frankly wouldn't have survived the endless scandals and cock ups if he had a credible opposition breathing down his neck.
So as a floating voter (and there has to be a lot of us) what's the answer?. Maybe it's time for something radical like the Labour party disbanding and reforming as two seperate party's, that would stop the in fighting, policy clashes and finally give the Country a option to vote for a party with a clear path forward, whichever that is.
With the state of the political party's I don't think it would take that many years for these party's to get established.
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Arthur Scargill formed a break-away party in 1996 with his Socialist Labour Party (SLP).
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Interesting one this..For me Labours biggest problem is one I dont think they can actually fix. It has got to the stage were they are basically two party's trying to co-exist under one umbrella. Both groups believing they hold the core values of the Labour party but seemingly miles apart in the interpretation of that.
We have a tory government led by a buffoon who frankly wouldn't have survived the endless scandals and cock ups if he had a credible opposition breathing down his neck.
So as a floating voter (and there has to be a lot of us) what's the answer?. Maybe it's time for something radical like the Labour party disbanding and reforming as two seperate party's, that would stop the in fighting, policy clashes and finally give the Country a option to vote for a party with a clear path forward, whichever that is.
With the state of the political party's I don't think it would take that many years for these party's to get established.
That would just dilute the left of center parties, meaning the Tories are even better placed in FPTP to win an election.
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90 staff set to be made redundant.
Quite confusing as when Starmer took over they had a fantastic bank balance, thriving membership as well as the Union funding.
If he can't look after his own Parties bank account what chance do they have of looking after the nations economy.
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90 staff set to be made redundant.
Quite confusing as when Starmer took over they had a fantastic bank balance, thriving membership as well as the Union funding.
If he can't look after his own Parties bank account what chance do they have of looking after the nations economy.
They had also recorded their worst defeat for how long? so money isn't the problem when it comes to getting elected is it?
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I honestly have no words to describe this.
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Some context for this topic;
https://twitter.com/gletherby/status/1421861298095206401/photo/1
Facts can sometimes be difficult to explain, can't they?
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https://twitter.com/KenLoachSixteen/status/1426478741455360003?t=L-RzL5dPNjz1vT9iD5In3Q&s=19
Ken Loach is gone.
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https://twitter.com/KenLoachSixteen/status/1426478741455360003?t=L-RzL5dPNjz1vT9iD5In3Q&s=19
Ken Loach is gone.
No one person can be bigger than the party, all these people that are going as part of the groups that have been voted off are more than likely good people as individuals. Corbyn resigned, a correct decision under the circumstances, so what should be the next move, wash rinse repeat?