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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: SydneyRover on August 03, 2021, 12:42:49 pm
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''Johnson said of her appointment that policing needed systemic change: “Black people have been disproportionately affected by policing for decades. Many of us have had personal experiences with the police that have been unsatisfactory, unfair or even harmful and many of us know of others with similar stories''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/03/black-barrister-to-lead-independent-police-oversight-board
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''Johnson said of her appointment that policing needed systemic change: “Black people have been disproportionately affected by policing for decades. Many of us have had personal experiences with the police that have been unsatisfactory, unfair or even harmful and many of us know of others with similar stories''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/03/black-barrister-to-lead-independent-police-oversight-board
I suggest rather than take the Guardian you get Andrex, it's not as scratchy on your bum.
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I trust you back the boys in blue. Perhaps this is more palatable to you.
https://news.npcc.police.uk/releases/new-independent-chair-appointed-to-scrutinise-a-plan-of-action-on-race
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Bearing in mind that 70% of all current serving frontline Police officers have under 2 years service under their belts, they should easily be educated in the new diversity strategy. However I don't see things getting any better for the Black community as the ethos will be"do all you can to avoid getting involved in anything involving anybody who is not Anglo Saxon, it's just not worth the hassle!
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10 years under labour another 11 years under the tories, anyone that could read or watched the news knew what was going on, what is the point in having an elected government if they don't serve all the people.
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I would suggest the there needs to be a clean out of the upper levels of the force as those that have risen through the ranks have either been part of the problem or stood by and watched it happen.
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It's all here in black and white.
''Met police seek judicial review over senior black officer’s reinstatement
Force insists it was correct to sack decorated black female officer who was sent unsolicited child abuse video''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/03/met-police-seek-judicial-review-over-senior-black-officers-reinstatement
''Ex-Met chief defends Cressida Dick over Daniel Morgan findings
Lord Blair of Boughton criticises independent panel judgment and calls Dick ‘finest officer of generation’''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/16/ex-met-chief-defends-cressida-dick-over-daniel-morgan-findings
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Generally speaking i think the Police are a shower of shit and not fit for purpose. There must be a few OB out there who try their best but think what's the point when criminals are let off with joke sentencing. They never come when you need them such as car crime and burglary, too busy. They are quick enough off the mark for so called hate crimes and like giving it the big 'un pushing football supporters around. There's too many instances of their bully boy tactics on youtube, whether it be against black or white people.
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Not at all bothered about colour and gender they can be sky blue with pink dots as far as I am concerned.
What I am concerned about is the report that says over the last few years only7% of violent crimes reported have ended with an arrest. That is people whoever and whatever rank NOT doing their job and wants sorting.
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Or perhaps because there's not being enough officers to cope because their numbers were slashed ten years ago, leading to an increase in crime for the smaller number of officers to fail to cope with.
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Glyn, every other industry in the world have less human labour employee's because of technology.
the police constantly come up with the excuse when they sell property that they need to centralise divisions and employ modern technology to counter criminals access to technology.
You can't .it both ways. They are not doing their job, taking the knee in front of demonstrators they were there to control highlighted the situation, the tail is wagging the dog and a lot of the police force are in the wrong job.
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What technology investigates crimes and arrests offenders? Or maintains a presence and stops trouble at chucking out time? etc.
What technology can reduce the cost of policing at Rovers, I'm sure they'd love you to tell us all.
Technology is all very well, but it needs money to buy it and enough people to operate it!
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I heard this from the horses mouth so to speak.
A bloke I know used to be a copper in the Met for quite a number of years. His view was that, whilst reductions in Police numbers are an issue, by far the biggest problem they have are expectations of what the Police are there to do.
He estimated that about 85% of his job was dealing with domestic issues and mental health issues. When he spoke about domestic issues, he gave me a typical example. The Police received a call from a woman who said that her adult son wouldn’t leave her house. She wanted to go shopping but didn’t want to leave him alone in the house. When asked if she felt in danger she said no, but felt that if he was left in the house he’d pinch something. So the Police were called to go round to sort it out, which took well over an hour. They then had to go back and deal with the paperwork which took another hour. A couple of hours later the woman called again to say he was back at her house sitting in her doorstep….so the Police had to attend again. All in all this one ‘issue’ took up almost all of his shift that day. No crime was committed , nobody was hurt and there was no real incident but it was left to the police to resolve.
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I think we will see very few peeps making a career out of the Police
It is now poorly paid,and the work demand is relentless due to Social media, i.e. The recent well filmed arrest of a Black guy in Leeds, if you are a big powerful bloke it will take at least three people to get you down and subdued. Whilst Pc plod is doing this they must be acutely aware of all of the Nobbers stood filming them ,shouting abuse and making all sorts of allegations, no fun at all.
Plus they have anti social hours and no respite, goneare the days when 80% of the revellers in Donny went home at 11 pm on the last bus cos the Pubs were shut! Now they are out till they drop.
Plus you got idiots Drinking and taking PHet and worse to keep going.
When the sh&it hits the fan and they have a mental health crisis, trying to fight the planet, Blood Presure through the roof and heart about to explode, who gets the poop end of the stick ? It ain't no Zhealth care wallah they won't entertain you it's poor old PC Plod.
Bad enough if it's a white person in that state but if it's a Black person suddenly everything is ten times worse!.
They have my respect but I don't think we will see many Carrer Policemen in the future.
Oh and things are so bad they are now recruiting Detectives from University,that's because no body in the Police wants the hassle.!
And what sort of a job will Terry the Detective do if he/she hasn't had ten tears of being spat on,Shat on,lied to,assaulted,constantly complained about , and learned how to street fight?
I would love to se the attrition rate of new recruits, I hear it's appalling.
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I'd recommend listening to Alfie Moore's radio programme It's A Fair Cop.
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I think we will see very few peeps making a career out of the Police
It is now poorly paid,and the work demand is relentless due to Social media, i.e. The recent well filmed arrest of a Black guy in Leeds, if you are a big powerful bloke it will take at least three people to get you down and subdued. Whilst Pc plod is doing this they must be acutely aware of all of the Nobbers stood filming them ,shouting abuse and making all sorts of allegations, no fun at all.
Plus they have anti social hours and no respite, goneare the days when 80% of the revellers in Donny went home at 11 pm on the last bus cos the Pubs were shut! Now they are out till they drop.
Plus you got idiots Drinking and taking PHet and worse to keep going.
When the sh&it hits the fan and they have a mental health crisis, trying to fight the planet, Blood Presure through the roof and heart about to explode, who gets the poop end of the stick ? It ain't no Zhealth care wallah they won't entertain you it's poor old PC Plod.
Bad enough if it's a white person in that state but if it's a Black person suddenly everything is ten times worse!.
They have my respect but I don't think we will see many Carrer Policemen in the future.
Oh and things are so bad they are now recruiting Detectives from University,that's because no body in the Police wants the hassle.!
And what sort of a job will Terry the Detective do if he/she hasn't had ten tears of being spat on,Shat on,lied to,assaulted,constantly complained about , and learned how to street fight?
I would love to se the attrition rate of new recruits, I hear it's appalling.
Well said sproty
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I think we will see very few peeps making a career out of the Police
It is now poorly paid,and the work demand is relentless due to Social media, i.e. The recent well filmed arrest of a Black guy in Leeds, if you are a big powerful bloke it will take at least three people to get you down and subdued. Whilst Pc plod is doing this they must be acutely aware of all of the Nobbers stood filming them ,shouting abuse and making all sorts of allegations, no fun at all.
Plus they have anti social hours and no respite, goneare the days when 80% of the revellers in Donny went home at 11 pm on the last bus cos the Pubs were shut! Now they are out till they drop.
Plus you got idiots Drinking and taking PHet and worse to keep going.
When the sh&it hits the fan and they have a mental health crisis, trying to fight the planet, Blood Presure through the roof and heart about to explode, who gets the poop end of the stick ? It ain't no Zhealth care wallah they won't entertain you it's poor old PC Plod.
Bad enough if it's a white person in that state but if it's a Black person suddenly everything is ten times worse!.
They have my respect but I don't think we will see many Carrer Policemen in the future.
Oh and things are so bad they are now recruiting Detectives from University,that's because no body in the Police wants the hassle.!
And what sort of a job will Terry the Detective do if he/she hasn't had ten tears of being spat on,Shat on,lied to,assaulted,constantly complained about , and learned how to street fight?
I would love to se the attrition rate of new recruits, I hear it's appalling.
Having bodycams on every copper 100% while on duty would help expedite matters and probably free up the courts.
''Ex-Hampshire police officer who used racist language found guilty of gross misconduct''
''Wayne Couzens sacked by Metropolitan police after Sarah Everard murder''
''Police officer dismissed from Met only weeks into her job after hitting colleague in the face''
''Devon and Cornwall police officer dismissed for gross misconduct
Published23 July''
''Sussex Police officer sacked after threats about ex-wife''
''Fewer than one in 60 rape cases lead to charge in England and Wales''
took about 5 minutes, all this year and not all by any means, there is something really wrong with the system.
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I think we will see very few peeps making a career out of the Police
It is now poorly paid,and the work demand is relentless due to Social media, i.e. The recent well filmed arrest of a Black guy in Leeds, if you are a big powerful bloke it will take at least three people to get you down and subdued. Whilst Pc plod is doing this they must be acutely aware of all of the Nobbers stood filming them ,shouting abuse and making all sorts of allegations, no fun at all.
Plus they have anti social hours and no respite, goneare the days when 80% of the revellers in Donny went home at 11 pm on the last bus cos the Pubs were shut! Now they are out till they drop.
Plus you got idiots Drinking and taking PHet and worse to keep going.
When the sh&it hits the fan and they have a mental health crisis, trying to fight the planet, Blood Presure through the roof and heart about to explode, who gets the poop end of the stick ? It ain't no Zhealth care wallah they won't entertain you it's poor old PC Plod.
Bad enough if it's a white person in that state but if it's a Black person suddenly everything is ten times worse!.
They have my respect but I don't think we will see many Carrer Policemen in the future.
Oh and things are so bad they are now recruiting Detectives from University,that's because no body in the Police wants the hassle.!
And what sort of a job will Terry the Detective do if he/she hasn't had ten tears of being spat on,Shat on,lied to,assaulted,constantly complained about , and learned how to street fight?
I would love to se the attrition rate of new recruits, I hear it's appalling.
Having bodycams on every copper 100% while on duty would help expedite matters and probably free up the courts.
''Ex-Hampshire police officer who used racist language found guilty of gross misconduct''
''Wayne Couzens sacked by Metropolitan police after Sarah Everard murder''
''Police officer dismissed from Met only weeks into her job after hitting colleague in the face''
''Devon and Cornwall police officer dismissed for gross misconduct
Published23 July''
''Sussex Police officer sacked after threats about ex-wife''
''Fewer than one in 60 rape cases lead to charge in England and Wales''
took about 5 minutes, all this year and not all by any means, there is something really wrong with the system.
That's cracking! Get rid of the rubbish and there is some! On a very positive side most Cops love Body Cam, " Is there anything ai can say or do to make you desist your anti social behaviour.?
And as a supervision tool, pC plod on review of you body Cam you stood back and let Pc Jones do your job for you, here is an action plan to help in your development needs!
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The police force needs to be seriously rejigged into a community force, as it stand it does not work for the whole of society and it needs stability. The police force cannot absorb 20 thousand new recruits and do it's job properly. that is more than 10%. Police should not be allowed out of the station without bodycam to protect themselves and the public.
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The police force needs to be seriously rejigged into a community force, as it stand it does not work for the whole of society and it needs stability. The police force cannot absorb 20 thousand new recruits and do it's job properly. that is more than 10%. Police should not be allowed out of the station without bodycam to protect themselves and the public.
South Yorkshire Police have recruited 763 New Police officers since April 2019, now 150 retire every year.
They had been cut down from 3,187 Officers in 2006 plus 250 Pcso's
To 2,200 in April 2019. Plus 200 P.cos's. so there are now roughly 2600 Police Officers of whom 45% are trainees.
They have been told to recruit a further 800. With no extra funding. The new Officers will be mainly in the University entry scheme, so they will not be actually effective foe three years! Things will be getting far worse, it will take three to four years before the College of Po,icing realises they have created a fiasco and cancel the University scheme. By which time the 'Student' Officers will have a free degree qualification,a nice looking CV ,an easily earnt £72,000 out of the Public purse and they will be leaving in droves for jobs at the Council and in less arduous roles! When they finally have to put the shoulder to the Cart!
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The police force needs to be seriously rejigged into a community force, as it stand it does not work for the whole of society and it needs stability. The police force cannot absorb 20 thousand new recruits and do it's job properly. that is more than 10%. Police should not be allowed out of the station without bodycam to protect themselves and the public.
South Yorkshire Police have recruited 763 New Police officers since April 2019, now 150 retire every year.
They had been cut down from 3,187 Officers in 2006 plus 250 Pcso's
To 2,200 in April 2019. Plus 200 P.cos's. so there are now roughly 2600 Police Officers of whom 45% are trainees.
They have been told to recruit a further 800. With no extra funding. The new Officers will be mainly in the University entry scheme, so they will not be actually effective foe three years! Things will be getting far worse, it will take three to four years before the College of Po,icing realises they have created a fiasco and cancel the University scheme. By which time the 'Student' Officers will have a free degree qualification,a nice looking CV ,an easily earnt £72,000 out of the Public purse and they will be leaving in droves for jobs at the Council and in less arduous roles! When they finally have to put the shoulder to the Cart!
I would have thought the Police would have been better served looking to recruit former members of the armed forces rather than kids from University with no ideas about the realities of life.
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The police force needs to be seriously rejigged into a community force, as it stand it does not work for the whole of society and it needs stability. The police force cannot absorb 20 thousand new recruits and do it's job properly. that is more than 10%. Police should not be allowed out of the station without bodycam to protect themselves and the public.
South Yorkshire Police have recruited 763 New Police officers since April 2019, now 150 retire every year.
They had been cut down from 3,187 Officers in 2006 plus 250 Pcso's
To 2,200 in April 2019. Plus 200 P.cos's. so there are now roughly 2600 Police Officers of whom 45% are trainees.
They have been told to recruit a further 800. With no extra funding. The new Officers will be mainly in the University entry scheme, so they will not be actually effective foe three years! Things will be getting far worse, it will take three to four years before the College of Po,icing realises they have created a fiasco and cancel the University scheme. By which time the 'Student' Officers will have a free degree qualification,a nice looking CV ,an easily earnt £72,000 out of the Public purse and they will be leaving in droves for jobs at the Council and in less arduous roles! When they finally have to put the shoulder to the Cart!
I would have thought the Police would have been better served looking to recruit former members of the armed forces rather than kids from University with no ideas about the realities of life.
Tell that to the boffins at the royal college of Policing!
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I think we will see very few peeps making a career out of the Police
It is now poorly paid,and the work demand is relentless due to Social media, i.e. The recent well filmed arrest of a Black guy in Leeds, if you are a big powerful bloke it will take at least three people to get you down and subdued. Whilst Pc plod is doing this they must be acutely aware of all of the Nobbers stood filming them ,shouting abuse and making all sorts of allegations, no fun at all.
Plus they have anti social hours and no respite, goneare the days when 80% of the revellers in Donny went home at 11 pm on the last bus cos the Pubs were shut! Now they are out till they drop.
Plus you got idiots Drinking and taking PHet and worse to keep going.
When the sh&it hits the fan and they have a mental health crisis, trying to fight the planet, Blood Presure through the roof and heart about to explode, who gets the poop end of the stick ? It ain't no Zhealth care wallah they won't entertain you it's poor old PC Plod.
Bad enough if it's a white person in that state but if it's a Black person suddenly everything is ten times worse!.
They have my respect but I don't think we will see many Carrer Policemen in the future.
Oh and things are so bad they are now recruiting Detectives from University,that's because no body in the Police wants the hassle.!
And what sort of a job will Terry the Detective do if he/she hasn't had ten tears of being spat on,Shat on,lied to,assaulted,constantly complained about , and learned how to street fight?
I would love to se the attrition rate of new recruits, I hear it's appalling.
Poorly paid?
A cop that joined just 7 years ago are now on just over 40k. Then there is the overtime which they can’t give away in my local force.
Then there is detached duty is you are specialist.
It’s a pretty well paid job imho.
But it’s not what it used to be.
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Mate of mine who joined 30 years ago told me new recruits are on what he started on!. I think it takes 10 years to get on £40k but I don't see many getting through the first 3/4 years.
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Not just the Police mt Brother in law joined the Prison service in 1993 and he was on more than what a new Prison officer gets as starting pay today.
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The general public would not believe how much time is spent on areas which Are avoidable. Missing persons enquiries for one. The vast majority of which being children, whose parents have little or no control over.
Then there are the parents themselves and the untold hours spent dealing with domestics and the aftermath.
Both totally avoidable if people were more responsible.
Adults unable to resolve issues without resorting to violence and worse.
Parents unable or unwilling to look after their kids properly.
Take both these areas of policing away, and there would be considerable more time and staff to prevent and detect crime.
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Adults unable to resolve issues without resorting to violence and worse.
Parents unable or unwilling to look after their kids properly.
Take both these areas of policing away, and there would be considerable more time and staff to prevent and detect crime.
Totally agree.
It's like paying your council tax. Other than getting my bins emptied i don't feel i get value for money, what are the council spending my money on i ask? Looking after idiots and their offspring who don't fancy the idea of work.
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I saw this on another forum but didn't want to start a new thread. I'm not sure but is this a case of identity over ability...... a scramble to tick the box?
Also shows that racism and antisemitism comes in different and varied forms............ and also says that the Met are incompetent.
I know it's the Daily Mail, but the details seem sound and quotes are from social media.
A Muslim police officer hailed as a role model for confronting anti-lockdown protesters is facing an investigation after it was revealed she tweeted a torrent of racist messages and was in regular contact with a suspected female jihadi in Syria.
26-year-old Ruby Begum, who in the months before joining the Metropolitan Police in 2016 is accused of using Twitter to insult Jews and mock the 9/11 attacks.
She frequently used the offensive term 'kuffar' to describe non-believers, writing in July 2014: 'Kuffar lips have been all over my mug there is no way I'm using that thing again.' Elsewhere she describes Pakistanis as 'p***s'.
As Scotland Yard faced questions over how her rants were missed during vetting, it emerged she communicated over many months with a woman thought to have fled Europe in 2014 to live under the Islamic State's so-called caliphate.
The woman would later acquire notoriety for appearing to defend male terrorists' use of minority group Yazidis as sex slaves.
Most of her Officer Begum's antisemitic comments were made in 2014 when Israel launched a ferocious attack against the Palestinian militant group Hamas in the Gaza Strip.
It was prompted by the kidnap and murder of three Israeli teenagers by Hamas. In all, the seven-week conflict claimed more than 2,000 lives, mostly Palestinians.
As the war raged, Miss Begum wrote: 'Dirty Zionist. Jahannam [hell] is awaiting.' In another tweet, she wrote: 'Israel have no limits. Scumbags I can't wait for the day they get severely punished.'
Later that year, she said: 'Zionists have no hearts! They'll get what's coming to them subhanallah [glory be to God].'
She also appears to equate the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with the Holocaust. She wrote in January 2015: 'It's alright when Israel does it #HolocaustRemembranceDay.'
Despite her Asian origin, Miss Begum is also scornful of Pakistanis.
In June 2013, she tweeted to a Twitter user called @rajab_96: 'LOL [laugh-out-loud] it's cos you tweeted about p*** stuff so I thought your [sic] p***. Are you a p***?'
In March 2014, referring to the fierce cricketing rivalry between Pakistan and Bangladesh, Miss Begum tweeted: 'I don't care about cricket, just love this thing between Bengalis and p***s.'
She also mocks the 9/11 attacks in her tweets, even as recently as 2019 when she was a full-time officer in the Met.
On September 11, 2019, as the world marked the 18th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, Miss Begum tweeted: 'Omg [O my God] it's 9/11 today? Jokes, I only noticed.'
On the same anniversary in 2014, she tweeted: 'Must be stupid if you think I'm gonna do 2 mins silence for 9/11.'
The Met says she is now on restricted duties.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9872649/Muslim-policewoman-hailed-hero-confronting-anti-lockdown-protesters-tweeted-racist-messages.html
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''At least 15 serving or former police have killed women in UK since 2009 – report''
''Sarah Everard: Female officers 'fear reporting male colleagues'''
''Deceived activist Kate Wilson wins tribunal against Met Police''
I haven't put links up as I guess you have all seen the stories, anyone want to dispute there are problems within the force?
''Sarah Everard: Boris Johnson urges public to trust the police''
''Police log 10,000 indecent exposure cases, but fewer than 600 reach court''
''More Than Half of Met Police Officers Found Guilty Of Sexual Misconduct Kept their Jobs''
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Like the rest of the country , I am shocked and dismayed at the actions of this animal. He has got his just desserts and I for one hope he does not make it alive till Xmas. Someone will be out there to shank him. He deserves nothing less.
But once again the media have gone into full flight about how the police can be trusted ever again.
People still go to the doctors despite Harold Shipmans actions. Women still go to hospitals to give birth despite Beverley Allitts murder spree.
I do wonder at times what sort of dystopian world the media would have us live in.
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Maybe read this NR
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/01/sarah-everard-murder-police-commissioner-apologises-for-saying-women-should-be-more-streetwise
And this
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/01/police-log-10000-indecent-exposure-cases-but-fewer-than-600-reach-court
And then think about what any of your female relatives and friends would think if they were alone and were stopped by police or were flashed by some mind numbingly thicko out at night?
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And our beloved PM comes out with a statement about police protecting women more.
Bit rich for someone who had the police knocking on his door after an altercation with his then girlfriend , whose father has an alleged history of being a wife beater once breaking his wifes nose
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Maybe read this NR
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/01/sarah-everard-murder-police-commissioner-apologises-for-saying-women-should-be-more-streetwise
And this
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/01/police-log-10000-indecent-exposure-cases-but-fewer-than-600-reach-court
And then think about what any of your female relatives and friends would think if they were alone and were stopped by police or were flashed by some mind numbingly thicko out at night?
You must think I don’t read the news.
The police commissioner is one person.
Wayne couzens was one person. ( although person is a stretch I admit)
Beverley Allitt was one person
Harold Shipman was one person.
The Ipswich trucker that killed those prostitutes was one person.
Then there are all those men of the cloth who have abused their position to abuse children.
Jimmy Saville.
I can speak of magistrates and judges who have been convicted of possession and distribution of indecent images.
Scout leaders the same
Teachers the same
The list goes on and on and on.
The vast majority of these people that have done the most atrocious crimes within their community are people of trust. Sadly, history shows that society has been littered with these types. And sadly, despite our best efforts, it will continue to do so.
Their actions do not mean that we plunge everyone, every single other person in that profession, into suspicion and mistrust.
To do so would be quite ridiculous. Fear of going to the doctors. Fear of going to a hospital, fear of going to a church, fear of walking the streets. Fear of the police.
My wife of 31 years and my 75 yr old grandmother think it’s absolutely ridiculous that the Police are getting hammered for this. As do many of my other female friends.
I’ve got news for you. The world is a very nice place, full of very nice people but every so often , we get to see the not so nice side of human behaviour. It’s called life.
And to suggest we start mistrusting the police is going to make life in general a lot less nice.
But don’t take my word for it.
Might I suggest you go spend some time living in a Country like Albania. Where the Police are not trusted. And for good reason.
Treat people like you expected to be treated yourself. You cannot, nor should you, plan or legislate for the Wayne Couzens of this world.
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Very good post normal rules, every profession has the odd evil person in and if the guy was not a copper he probably would have found another way to commit this horrible crime
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Maybe read this NR
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/01/sarah-everard-murder-police-commissioner-apologises-for-saying-women-should-be-more-streetwise
And this
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/01/police-log-10000-indecent-exposure-cases-but-fewer-than-600-reach-court
And then think about what any of your female relatives and friends would think if they were alone and were stopped by police or were flashed by some mind numbingly thicko out at night?
You must think I don’t read the news.
The police commissioner is one person.
Wayne couzens was one person. ( although person is a stretch I admit)
Beverley Allitt was one person
Harold Shipman was one person.
The Ipswich trucker that killed those prostitutes was one person.
Then there are all those men of the cloth who have abused their position to abuse children.
Jimmy Saville.
I can speak of magistrates and judges who have been convicted of possession and distribution of indecent images.
Scout leaders the same
Teachers the same
The list goes on and on and on.
The vast majority of these people that have done the most atrocious crimes within their community are people of trust. Sadly, history shows that society has been littered with these types. And sadly, despite our best efforts, it will continue to do so.
Their actions do not mean that we plunge everyone, every single other person in that profession, into suspicion and mistrust.
To do so would be quite ridiculous. Fear of going to the doctors. Fear of going to a hospital, fear of going to a church, fear of walking the streets. Fear of the police.
My wife of 31 years and my 75 yr old grandmother think it’s absolutely ridiculous that the Police are getting hammered for this. As do many of my other female friends.
I’ve got news for you. The world is a very nice place, full of very nice people but every so often , we get to see the not so nice side of human behaviour. It’s called life.
And to suggest we start mistrusting the police is going to make life in general a lot less nice.
But don’t take my word for it.
Might I suggest you go spend some time living in a Country like Albania. Where the Police are not trusted. And for good reason.
Treat people like you expected to be treated yourself. You cannot, nor should you, plan or legislate for the Wayne Couzens of this world.
Great post and puts things into perspective.
The police are far from being as rotten through as some might want us to believe.
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"This won't get reported by the press, but here are the comments by the trial judge for the evil murderer Cousins.
'This has been the most impressive police investigation that I have encountered in the 30 years I have been sitting as a part-time and full-time judge.
The speed with which the evidence leading to the arrest of the defendant was secured is highly notable, as has been the painstaking reconstruction of these events using electronic material along with more old-fashioned methods of policing. It cannot be suggested in my view that the Metropolitan Police, even for a moment, attempted to close ranks to protect one of their own. Instead, remorselessly, efficiently and impartially the investigating officers followed all the available leads, resulting in an overwhelming case against the accused.
Meriting particular mention are Detective Chief Inspector Catherine Goodwin, Detective Kim Martin and Acting Detective Inspector Lee Tullett.
Mr Tullett has been a key figure in the investigation and the preparation of this case, going well beyond what could properly be expected of any police officer,'
I had to post this, it’s stolen from another site.....We all know that the media will never mention the Judge’s comments, but for those who have Served and those still Serving, it gives some comfort, that The Job went all out to put this bas**rd away FOREVER....
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Maybe read this NR
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/01/sarah-everard-murder-police-commissioner-apologises-for-saying-women-should-be-more-streetwise
And this
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/01/police-log-10000-indecent-exposure-cases-but-fewer-than-600-reach-court
And then think about what any of your female relatives and friends would think if they were alone and were stopped by police or were flashed by some mind numbingly thicko out at night?
You must think I don’t read the news.
The police commissioner is one person.
Wayne couzens was one person. ( although person is a stretch I admit)
The police Commissioner of a whole area of North Yorkshire is victim blaming was one person
Harold Shipman was one person.
The Ipswich trucker that killed those prostitutes was one person.
Then there are all those men of the cloth who have abused their position to abuse children.
Jimmy Saville.
I can speak of magistrates and judges who have been convicted of possession and distribution of indecent images.
Scout leaders the same
Teachers the same
The list goes on and on and on.
The vast majority of these people that have done the most atrocious crimes within their community are people of trust. Sadly, history shows that society has been littered with these types. And sadly, despite our best efforts, it will continue to do so.
Their actions do not mean that we plunge everyone, every single other person in that profession, into suspicion and mistrust.
To do so would be quite ridiculous. Fear of going to the doctors. Fear of going to a hospital, fear of going to a church, fear of walking the streets. Fear of the police.
My wife of 31 years and my 75 yr old grandmother think it’s absolutely ridiculous that the Police are getting hammered for this. As do many of my other female friends.
I’ve got news for you. The world is a very nice place, full of very nice people but every so often , we get to see the not so nice side of human behaviour. It’s called life.
And to suggest we start mistrusting the police is going to make life in general a lot less nice.
But don’t take my word for it.
Might I suggest you go spend some time living in a Country like Albania. Where the Police are not trusted. And for good reason.
Treat people like you expected to be treated yourself. You cannot, nor should you, plan or legislate for the Wayne Couzens of this world.
It's how you interpret the news that counts NR.
Listing a series of one offs against a whole host of well documented racist, misogynist and just plain blundering problems doesn't make any sense.
The police Commissioner of a whole area of North Yorkshire is victim blaming, showing he is unsuitable for the job, those things shows he hasn't got a clue about crime and victims.
Wayne Couzens background should have been investigated and most likely have been charged instead of being hired.
The Yorkshire ripper could have been caught much earlier but the investigation was blundered.
The problems are within the force.
Blatant racist stop and search of black people, 9 times more likely.
Misogynist attitudes within the force, look at rape convictions (this is also a problem with society and judiciary)
Look at how the police respond they cave into political pressure and they break the law themselves.
Police spy on left wing organisations, miners strike. Hillsborough look how they lied and lied before the truth came out.
Their needs to be a royal commission into the police force to ensure neutrality and competence, almost every time you post a single incident there are problems within the investigation. A royal commission will clear out the incompetents sort out recruitment and maybe the public women and minorities will feel and be safer.
By the way you didn't answer my question.
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Maybe read this NR
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/01/sarah-everard-murder-police-commissioner-apologises-for-saying-women-should-be-more-streetwise
And this
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/01/police-log-10000-indecent-exposure-cases-but-fewer-than-600-reach-court
And then think about what any of your female relatives and friends would think if they were alone and were stopped by police or were flashed by some mind numbingly thicko out at night?
You must think I don’t read the news.
The police commissioner is one person.
Wayne couzens was one person. ( although person is a stretch I admit)
Beverley Allitt was one person
Harold Shipman was one person.
The Ipswich trucker that killed those prostitutes was one person.
Then there are all those men of the cloth who have abused their position to abuse children.
Jimmy Saville.
I can speak of magistrates and judges who have been convicted of possession and distribution of indecent images.
Scout leaders the same
Teachers the same
The list goes on and on and on.
The vast majority of these people that have done the most atrocious crimes within their community are people of trust. Sadly, history shows that society has been littered with these types. And sadly, despite our best efforts, it will continue to do so.
Their actions do not mean that we plunge everyone, every single other person in that profession, into suspicion and mistrust.
To do so would be quite ridiculous. Fear of going to the doctors. Fear of going to a hospital, fear of going to a church, fear of walking the streets. Fear of the police.
My wife of 31 years and my 75 yr old grandmother think it’s absolutely ridiculous that the Police are getting hammered for this. As do many of my other female friends.
I’ve got news for you. The world is a very nice place, full of very nice people but every so often , we get to see the not so nice side of human behaviour. It’s called life.
And to suggest we start mistrusting the police is going to make life in general a lot less nice.
But don’t take my word for it.
Might I suggest you go spend some time living in a Country like Albania. Where the Police are not trusted. And for good reason.
Treat people like you expected to be treated yourself. You cannot, nor should you, plan or legislate for the Wayne Couzens of this world.
Great post and puts things into perspective.
The police are far from being as rotten through as some might want us to believe.
Provided you are white, male, non-bame and conservative.
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I’d love to live in the world you aspire to SR.
Without imperfection.
Without human error.
Without people who make bad choices.
Without misogyny.
Without racism
Without bigotry.
Without prejudice.
Without crime.
Without murder.
I went in my local Waterstones today to seek out a book.
Guess what, the shelves in there are full of books covering the sorts of topics I refer to above. Crime, hate, racism, murder, bigotry, imperfection, human error. We read about it, write about it, some practice it, some fantasise about it, some challenge it, some accept it, some are in denial of it.and guess what, some do their very best to Police it.
There will be plenty of lone women being spoken to, up,and down the country by police tonight. Sadly many will be victims of domestic abuse. Some will be lone motorists, possibly involved in an accident who need help, some may be missing persons, or suffering with mental health issues. You wont hear of the hundreds of such events tomorrow in the news. Because in the 21c in this country, people doing good things do not make the news. Instead we focus on the bad. And we have become far too good at it.
I don’t want a world where everyone seeks to lay blame at the feet of all of those who do their utmost to make life good, but whose efforts are undermined by a very very small minority.
And if we disagree on this, then might I suggest our lives are very different, and it has nothing to do with politics, race or gender.
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I’d love to live in the world you aspire to SR.
Without imperfection.
Without human error.
Without people who make bad choices.
Without misogyny.
Without racism
Without bigotry.
Without prejudice.
Without crime.
Without murder.
I went in my local Waterstones today to seek out a book.
Guess what, the shelves in there are full of books covering the sorts of topics I refer to above. Crime, hate, racism, murder, bigotry, imperfection, human error. We read about it, write about it, some practice it, some fantasise about it, some challenge it, some accept it, some are in denial of it.and guess what, some do their very best to Police it.
There will be plenty of lone women being spoken to, up,and down the country by police tonight. Sadly many will be victims of domestic abuse. Some will be lone motorists, possibly involved in an accident who need help, some may be missing persons, or suffering with mental health issues. You wont hear of the hundreds of such events tomorrow in the news. Because in the 21c in this country, people doing good things do not make the news. Instead we focus on the bad. And we have become far too good at it.
I don’t want a world where everyone seeks to lay blame at the feet of all of those who do their utmost to make life good, but whose efforts are undermined by a very very small minority.
And if we disagree on this, then might I suggest our lives are very different, and it has nothing to do with politics, race or gender.
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All I want is the police force to do their job competently independently of government (separation of powers) without bias but atm you cannot say that is happening with any degree of certainty.
You still haven't answered the question.
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Those in support of the present situation with the police.
''And then think about what any of your female relatives and friends would think if they were alone and were stopped by police or were flashed by some mind numbingly thicko out at night?''
Would you be happy for a female relative of yours to get in the car?
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To answer your question. I continue to trust the police . I know they act without fear or favour. The only time anyone should get in a police car is if they are under arrest or being questioned or if they need help .
And as you made ref to politics in this can I remind you that in 2009 the police went to the cps with evidence of child abuse against a certain Jimmy saville . The cps said there was not enough evidence . We now believe that he had abused over 500 children. The reason I point this out is the head of the cps then was a certain Kier Starmer.
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And those shouting about this are affecting change you will be pleased to hear. Police Scotland have announced that lone officers will be subject to on the spot checks when questioned by lone females. Lone females will be able to call 999 to the police control room to check the officer is genuine.
Sadly this will clog up valuable call space in the 999 system which is already full to busting meaning that another member of public who has a genuine emergency could miss out and be at risk .
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comment after comment NR, but you don't have the confidence in the police to answer the question, neither do your supporters.
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Yes I would be happy for anyone I know male or female to get in a police car with a lone male officer.
I thought that was plainly obvious.
And to have a full understanding of how the Police work, as you seem so passionate about it, might I suggest you volunteer to spend a little time as a member of the Special constabulary in your local area. All force areas are desperate for such. Just four hours a week is all they ask for.
You will get an opportunity to see first hand the issues the police face on a day to day basis. You will see some of the amazing things they do and you will meet some very dedicated committed people. You may also be a little slower to chide as a result.
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You could have answered the question a whole lot earlier NR but thanks for doing so, but do me one last favour as you are speaking for someone else, ask your partner and any other female friends/rellies if they actually would.
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That conversation has already taken place. Across the board, the response is unanimous. I even put a post out on my fb page asking such.
People are resilient, and whilst i do understand and and empathise with the worry this incident has caused, the general public should go about their business as usual, and allow the police to do their job, which they do admirably day in day out.
Couzens was an aberration, of the worst kind. I do not doubt that he would have killed no matter what employment he was in. And believe me, no one hates a bent cop more than cops themselves. I hope to hear of his premature death in the coming months.
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I'm impressed with your enthusiasm but the evidence suggests otherwise, look at any inquiries over the previous 10-20 years look as you pointed out at the Scottish police situation they are concerned about what people think. Look at police still in the job following sex allegations. Don't you think the force should be squeaky clean, set an example?
''More than 750 Met Police employees have faced sexual misconduct allegations since 2010 – with just 83 sacked''
''Scale of police sexual abuse claims revealed''
This article is more than 2 years old and nothing done.
''Nearly 1,500 accusations made against officers in England and Wales over six years''
Look how long it took the Lawrence family to get answers.
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You are quite right.
Let’s defund the police.
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You are quite right.
Let’s defund the police.
I'm all for that, if when done it follows the original intent, so many don't really understand that bit.
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Maybe read this NR
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/01/sarah-everard-murder-police-commissioner-apologises-for-saying-women-should-be-more-streetwise
And this
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/01/police-log-10000-indecent-exposure-cases-but-fewer-than-600-reach-court
And then think about what any of your female relatives and friends would think if they were alone and were stopped by police or were flashed by some mind numbingly thicko out at night?
You must think I don’t read the news.
The police commissioner is one person.
Wayne couzens was one person. ( although person is a stretch I admit)
Beverley Allitt was one person
Harold Shipman was one person.
The Ipswich trucker that killed those prostitutes was one person.
Then there are all those men of the cloth who have abused their position to abuse children.
Jimmy Saville.
I can speak of magistrates and judges who have been convicted of possession and distribution of indecent images.
Scout leaders the same
Teachers the same
The list goes on and on and on.
The vast majority of these people that have done the most atrocious crimes within their community are people of trust. Sadly, history shows that society has been littered with these types. And sadly, despite our best efforts, it will continue to do so.
Their actions do not mean that we plunge everyone, every single other person in that profession, into suspicion and mistrust.
To do so would be quite ridiculous. Fear of going to the doctors. Fear of going to a hospital, fear of going to a church, fear of walking the streets. Fear of the police.
My wife of 31 years and my 75 yr old grandmother think it’s absolutely ridiculous that the Police are getting hammered for this. As do many of my other female friends.
I’ve got news for you. The world is a very nice place, full of very nice people but every so often , we get to see the not so nice side of human behaviour. It’s called life.
And to suggest we start mistrusting the police is going to make life in general a lot less nice.
But don’t take my word for it.
Might I suggest you go spend some time living in a Country like Albania. Where the Police are not trusted. And for good reason.
Treat people like you expected to be treated yourself. You cannot, nor should you, plan or legislate for the Wayne Couzens of this world.
Great post and puts things into perspective.
The police are far from being as rotten through as some might want us to believe.
Provided you are white, male, non-bame and conservative.
That rules me out then.
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But you could answer the question all the same hound.
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I’d love to live in the world you aspire to SR.
Without imperfection.
Without human error.
Without people who make bad choices.
Without misogyny.
Without racism
Without bigotry.
Without prejudice.
Without crime.
Without murder.
I went in my local Waterstones today to seek out a book.
Guess what, the shelves in there are full of books covering the sorts of topics I refer to above. Crime, hate, racism, murder, bigotry, imperfection, human error. We read about it, write about it, some practice it, some fantasise about it, some challenge it, some accept it, some are in denial of it.and guess what, some do their very best to Police it.
There will be plenty of lone women being spoken to, up,and down the country by police tonight. Sadly many will be victims of domestic abuse. Some will be lone motorists, possibly involved in an accident who need help, some may be missing persons, or suffering with mental health issues. You wont hear of the hundreds of such events tomorrow in the news. Because in the 21c in this country, people doing good things do not make the news. Instead we focus on the bad. And we have become far too good at it.
I don’t want a world where everyone seeks to lay blame at the feet of all of those who do their utmost to make life good, but whose efforts are undermined by a very very small minority.
And if we disagree on this, then might I suggest our lives are very different, and it has nothing to do with politics, race or gender.
A friend of mine once was telling me that his wife was going mental because she had seen him out with another woman (it was a client by the way).
He asked me why women always go mad if a man is unfaithful but thy never say anything about all the times a man goes out and is faithful.
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Is that funny hound? I can't tell
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It’s relevant to the debate SR.
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You'll have to explain, do it while you are answering the question it will save time.
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What a strange world we live in, blokes on a third tier football forum reckon everything is fine (on behalf of women) but the Scottish police don't and neither does the PM .........
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What a strange world we live in, blokes on a third tier football forum reckon everything is fine (on behalf of women) but the Scottish police don't and neither does the PM .........
And the leader of the opposition wants the next 007 to be a woman.
They will be calling Ian Fleming a mysoginist next and burning his books.
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What a strange world we live in, blokes on a third tier football forum reckon everything is fine (on behalf of women) but the Scottish police don't and neither does the PM .........
And at no point have I said everything is fine. Quite the opposite.
And I most certainly don’t talk for women.
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What a strange world we live in, blokes on a third tier football forum reckon everything is fine (on behalf of women) but the Scottish police don't and neither does the PM .........
And at no point have I said everything is fine. Quite the opposite.
And I most certainly don’t talk for women.
You should have said that right at the beginning because you sure sounded like it was and you were
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The Yorkshire ripper could have been caught much earlier but the investigation was blundered.
That was 40 yearsago you idiot, they were using card referencing because they did not have computers in those days, they studied the mistakes of the Ripper enquiry and invented the Holmes software investigation system.
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Here is a question for you Sydders you have gone to London in your Rovers Shirt to watch the mighty Red and whites you get separated from your mates and find yourself in a street on your own at one end of the street Six Mill wall supporters appear, one is a white male one is a white male wearing a Pink Pride top one is female LGBT one is Black the rest are wearing hoods and face masks, they see you and whoop with Joy and start advancing towards you somewhat menacingly they start singing the Mill wall song,suddenly a BMW pulls up behind you it has beacons Sirens and battenberg reflexive paint scheme the dreaded Metropolitain Police Badge is a daubed ed on the vehicle, a huge man gets out of the car he looks like a Bin man and is wearing a stab vest a Walkie talkie, is wielding a Casio baton on his Vest is the dreaded Met Police Badge. The Officer states you are in grave danger and offers you a lift to safety. Another group of Millwall fans has appeared at the othe end of the street they are also happy to see you!. What do you do.?
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Here is a question for you Sydders you have gone to London in your Rovers Shirt to watch the mighty Red and whites you get separated from your mates and find yourself in a street on your own at one end of the street Six Mill wall supporters appear, one is a white male one is a white male wearing a Pink Pride top one is female LGBT one is Black the rest are wearing hoods and face masks, they see you and whoop with Joy and start advancing towards you somewhat menacingly they start singing the Mill wall song,suddenly a BMW pulls up behind you it has beacons Sirens and battenberg reflexive paint scheme the dreaded Metropolitain Police Badge is a daubed ed on the vehicle, a huge man gets out of the car he looks like a Bin man and is wearing a stab vest a Walkie talkie, is wielding a Casio baton on his Vest is the dreaded Met Police Badge. The Officer states you are in grave danger and offers you a lift to safety. Another group of Millwall fans has appeared at the othe end of the street they are also happy to see you!. What do you do.?
I warn the Millwall supporters to stick together, start filming on their phones to avoid false charges and possible sexual assault even murder.
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Sydney, genuine question; have you ever been diagnosed with Paranoid Schizophrenia?
I'm only asking because I'm concerned about you.
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Sydney, genuine question; have you ever been diagnosed with Paranoid Schizophrenia?
I'm only asking because I'm concerned about you.
Don't be Steve, I know how to handle kidders and sw**kers just fine.
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Sydney, genuine question; have you ever been diagnosed with Paranoid Schizophrenia?
I'm only asking because I'm concerned about you.
Symptoms may include:
Delusions. These are false beliefs that are not based in reality. ...
Hallucinations. These usually involve seeing or hearing things that don't exist. ...
Disorganized thinking (speech). ...
Extremely disorganized or abnormal motor behavior. ...
Negative symptoms
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Oh look here
''Evidence of ‘vulgar and sexist’ WhatsApp texts ignored, says ex-Met detective
Paige Kimberley claims she wrote to Priti Patel and Cressida Dick about messages, but they did not respond''
they were warned but chose to ignore it,
You ok with that Steve?
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Sydney, genuine question; have you ever been diagnosed with Paranoid Schizophrenia?
I'm only asking because I'm concerned about you.
Symptoms may include:
Delusions. These are false beliefs that are not based in reality. ...
Hallucinations. These usually involve seeing or hearing things that don't exist. ...
Disorganized thinking (speech). ...
Extremely disorganized or abnormal motor behavior. ...
Negative symptoms
I'll bow to your own personal experience hound
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I forgot to mention asking questions but never answering any.
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I forgot to mention asking questions but never answering any.
Yep you got that right you're the world champ at that hound.
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Yeah right.
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We now know how 'the met' deals with complaints and information about them ... they shoot the messenger ............. not literally that we know of
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/03/vulgar-and-sexist-whatsapp-evidence-ignored-says-ex-met-detective
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Maybe it's time for Internal Affairs to demand to see all members of the police's electronic devices, those that refuse should go.
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Maybe it's time for Internal Affairs to demand to see all members of the police's electronic devices, those that refuse should go.
Maybe the world should be run by Big Brother, as in the film "1984". I nominate you for that role, Sydney.
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Maybe it's time for Internal Affairs to demand to see all members of the police's electronic devices, those that refuse should go.
Maybe the world should be run by Big Brother, as in the film "1984". I nominate you for that role, Sydney.
So you don't think our police should be squeaky clean Steve? normally I wouldn't support this sort of stuff myself but the police service need to be cleaned out, top to bottom, you must have read what that idiot Nth Yorks police superintendent said, sounds like he was born in 1884.
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Here is a question for you Sydders you have gone to London in your Rovers Shirt to watch the mighty Red and whites you get separated from your mates and find yourself in a street on your own at one end of the street Six Mill wall supporters appear, one is a white male one is a white male wearing a Pink Pride top one is female LGBT one is Black the rest are wearing hoods and face masks, they see you and whoop with Joy and start advancing towards you somewhat menacingly they start singing the Mill wall song,suddenly a BMW pulls up behind you it has beacons Sirens and battenberg reflexive paint scheme the dreaded Metropolitain Police Badge is a daubed ed on the vehicle, a huge man gets out of the car he looks like a Bin man and is wearing a stab vest a Walkie talkie, is wielding a Casio baton on his Vest is the dreaded Met Police Badge. The Officer states you are in grave danger and offers you a lift to safety. Another group of Millwall fans has appeared at the othe end of the street they are also happy to see you!. What do you do.?
I think your friendly Millwall Supporters will subject you to the 'Treatment' and 'Ointment' you so richly deserve. !
I warn the Millwall supporters to stick together, start filming on their phones to avoid false charges and possible sexual assault even murder.
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Here is a question for you Sydders you have gone to London in your Rovers Shirt to watch the mighty Red and whites you get separated from your mates and find yourself in a street on your own at one end of the street Six Mill wall supporters appear, one is a white male one is a white male wearing a Pink Pride top one is female LGBT one is Black the rest are wearing hoods and face masks, they see you and whoop with Joy and start advancing towards you somewhat menacingly they start singing the Mill wall song,suddenly a BMW pulls up behind you it has beacons Sirens and battenberg reflexive paint scheme the dreaded Metropolitain Police Badge is a daubed ed on the vehicle, a huge man gets out of the car he looks like a Bin man and is wearing a stab vest a Walkie talkie, is wielding a Casio baton on his Vest is the dreaded Met Police Badge. The Officer states you are in grave danger and offers you a lift to safety. Another group of Millwall fans has appeared at the othe end of the street they are also happy to see you!. What do you do.?
I think your friendly Millwall Supporters will subject you to the 'Treatment' and 'Ointment' you so richly deserve. !
I warn the Millwall supporters to stick together, start filming on their phones to avoid false charges and possible sexual assault even murder.
there is no place in football or society for those the promote violence sprot you'd fit in well with johnson. You have noticed that most of this thread concerns violence of some type?
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By the way how is your other lets defund the Police ally doing Sasha Johnson? I she still in a Coma,if she ever comes out of it and manages to speak again I wonder what her new views on the Police will be?
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By the way how is your other lets defund the Police ally doing Sasha Johnson? I she still in a Coma,if she ever comes out of it and manages to speak again I wonder what her new views on the Police will be?
It's best not to drink and post sprot
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Very good post normal rules, every profession has the odd evil person in and if the guy was not a copper he probably would have found another way to commit this horrible crime
''Just last month, Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary said there was an epidemic of violence against women and girls that deserved the same resources and focus as terrorism''
''Sue Fish, the former chief constable of Nottinghamshire, says there is a significant minority in uniform who are "actively deviant" - misogynistic officers who are abusing power - some of whom are in turn involved in domestic and sexual abuse.
In 2016, she ordered her force to start recording misogyny as a hate crime - and the Law Commission, which advises ministers on major legal reforms will soon publish its own proposals on the issue''
''Sue Fish says she has seen nothing from either the prime minister or Dame Cressida Dick that shows they understand how pervasive this culture is''
The same for plenty of others aye bp?
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(From the above post)
Sue Fish, the former chief constable of Nottinghamshire, says there is a significant minority in uniform who are "actively deviant
Isn’t that what Blackpool said?
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(From the above post)
Sue Fish, the former chief constable of Nottinghamshire, says there is a significant minority in uniform who are "actively deviant
Isn’t that what Blackpool said?
What are you saying hound?
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(From the above post)
Sue Fish, the former chief constable of Nottinghamshire, says there is a significant minority in uniform who are "actively deviant
Isn’t that what Blackpool said?
What are you saying hound?
I agree with both of you on the above point.
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I'm not sure Sue Fish, the former chief constable of Nottinghamshire would agree with you or I doubt it would have been such a concern to her.
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Many people who actively seek positions of power do so for reasons other than money. Egotistical reasons such as power, control and status. Many of them show sociopathic or even psychopathological traits.
The people who can manipulate, coerce, blackmail, boss, deceive and communicate effectively will always rise to the top in society above the quiet intelligent introvert with integrity and values who people perceive as weak.
Which is why the people who can be trusted the least are the police, politicians, senior managers of large organisations such as the NHS, surgeons, and many others and why society is a f**king mess.
Fortunately for me i generally do not trust anyone. Possibly only a handful or people in the world. Not a healthy way to live admittedly but one that never fails to laugh when i see stories of persistent failure by the police, Government etc with the line 'we need to make sure that lessons have been learned'.
Which, of course, never are.
Authority is to be challenged as fundamentally unfair and corrupt. Until it can prove otherwise. It is not to be blindly trusted as that's where the problems start.
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Another issue is the lack of accountability.
Cressida Dick should be sacked with immediate effect and put on criminal trial. Her pension should be stopped.
All the policemen who shared these diabolical messages with Couzens and each other should also have been suspended and if proven to be culpable of participating in 'banter' about rape and other deviant filth, then they too should be sacked and receive a criminal record.
Why do the Government try to preserve the standing of scum? Because Angela Raynor was right - the Tories are all scum themselves. Takes one to know one.
There is no accountability anymore and thus everyone these days can simply do a Jose Mourinho.
Fail continually in their cosy position of responsibility, but continue to be employed.
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Since the Police recruit from the general Population and they won't even entertain you if you have a conviction .What does that say about the state of the Nation!
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Another issue is the lack of accountability.
Cressida Dick should be sacked with immediate effect and put on criminal trial. Her pension should be stopped.
All the policemen who shared these diabolical messages with Couzens and each other should also have been suspended and if proven to be culpable of participating in 'banter' about rape and other deviant filth, then they too should be sacked and receive a criminal record.
Why do the Government try to preserve the standing of scum? Because Angela Raynor was right - the Tories are all scum themselves. Takes one to know one.
There is no accountability anymore and thus everyone these days can simply do a Jose Mourinho.
Fail continually in their cosy position of responsibility, but continue to be employed.
Perhaps if labour want her sacked they should say so, the London mayor certainly backs her for one...
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I also forgot to point out that Mrs Raynor and much of her party are also of the same cloth. Scum. They don't get to point the finger at the Tories when they are just as bad.
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A nurse has pleaded not guilty to murdering eight babies and attempting to murder another 10.
Lucy Letby, 31, is accused of murdering five boys and three girls at the Countess of Chester Hospital between June 2015 and June 2016.
She is also accused of the attempted murder of five boys and five girls.
Ms Letby, of Arran Avenue in Hereford, repeated "not guilty" to all 18 charges as she appeared at Manchester Crown Court via video-link.
She is due to go on trial in October 2022.
Does this mean the MSM start hammering the nhs like they do the police.?
No of course it doesn’t. Some on here would disagree I’m sure. That’s if they apply the same rationale to that whenever the police appear in the media spotlight.
Does this mean the nhs have to re evaluate their vetting and recruitment process for all their staff? Should the head of the nhs get sacked. . ?
Can we ever trust nurses again. How would you feel if you were an expectant mum and you had to go to a maternity suite. ?
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A nurse has pleaded not guilty to murdering eight babies and attempting to murder another 10.
Lucy Letby, 31, is accused of murdering five boys and three girls at the Countess of Chester Hospital between June 2015 and June 2016.
She is also accused of the attempted murder of five boys and five girls.
Ms Letby, of Arran Avenue in Hereford, repeated "not guilty" to all 18 charges as she appeared at Manchester Crown Court via video-link.
She is due to go on trial in October 2022.
Does this mean the MSM start hammering the nhs like they do the police.?
No of course it doesn’t. Some on here would disagree I’m sure. That’s if they apply the same rationale to that whenever the police appear in the media spotlight.
Does this mean the nhs have to re evaluate their vetting and recruitment process for all their staff? Should the head of the nhs get sacked. . ?
Can we ever trust nurses again. How would you feel if you were an expectant mum and you had to go to a maternity suite. ?
Another good post there NR.
Maybe that will make some other posters see sense.
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I'm not sure Sue Fish, the former chief constable of Nottinghamshire would agree with you or I doubt it would have been such a concern to her.
Well according to the quote of hers that you posted, she already has done. :facepalm:
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The head of the Trust should be sacked if obvious opportunities to figure out what was happening came to light. Sadly with these things it always seems to come out that there had been a trail of clues and multiple missed chances to identify the problem.
Did nobody think to link the deaths or potential deaths to the same person?
The NHS is so bloated with pen pushers and diversity officers i doubt nobody even noticed that babies were dying.
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It is a sad fact that lots of babies die in hospital.
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It is a sad fact that lots of babies die in hospital.
Indeed, however, there surely would have been more incidents recorded whilst this nurse was involved in care compared to any other nurse? I don't know. Maybe?
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It is a sad fact that lots of babies die in hospital.
Indeed, however, there surely would have been more incidents recorded whilst this nurse was involved in care compared to any other nurse? I don't know. Maybe?
Possibly, but then again, possibly not.
Maybe figures published in the future will tell us more, hindsight again eh.
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It is a sad fact that lots of babies die in hospital.
Indeed, however, there surely would have been more incidents recorded whilst this nurse was involved in care compared to any other nurse? I don't know. Maybe?
Possibly, but then again, possibly not.
Maybe figures published in the future will tell us more, hindsight again eh.
It looks like the police themselves disagree with both yourself NR and bp.
''Sarah Everard murder: Met to launch review of standards and internal culture
Leading figure will challenge force on corruption and sexual misconduct, vows Cressida Dick''
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It is a sad fact that lots of babies die in hospital.
Indeed, however, there surely would have been more incidents recorded whilst this nurse was involved in care compared to any other nurse? I don't know. Maybe?
Tick box exercise. They have to be seen to say they will do something. They had no choice. Political sound bytes.
Bad eggs exist in all walks of life .
Question for you SR. Do you have confidence in nurses in the NHS. ? Would you be happy with them looking after a child of yours?
Possibly, but then again, possibly not.
Maybe figures published in the future will tell us more, hindsight again eh.
It looks like the police themselves disagree with both yourself NR and bp.
''Sarah Everard murder: Met to launch review of standards and internal culture
Leading figure will challenge force on corruption and sexual misconduct, vows Cressida Dick''
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Maybe I'll become an astronaut ................
the fact is you have been saying there is nothing to get concerned about.
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My question was biased for just you.
I have confidence in the nhs.
The woman accused of killing those babies ( and the cps would never charge her unless there was a realistic chance of conviction) is an aberration, just like Couzens. And the cop now on remand for rape.
I have no concerns about the police or the nhs. Other than they don’t have enough staff in either. And money gets wasted in both. The vast majority of people within these organisations are hardworking and honest. And I have faith in them.
The nurse in question has had very little news coverage. She appeared in court today on remand pleading not guilty.
Not a mention of it on the news tonight. It had a small entry on the bbc online news.
Any murder is shocking.
Couzens raped and murdered an innocent lone woman.
This nurse has murdered 8 babies and attempted another 8. This is a totally different level and should be front page news. And headline on news at ten.
Why isn’t it ?
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My question was biased for just you.
I have confidence in the nhs.
The woman accused of killing those babies ( and the cps would never charge her unless there was a realistic chance of conviction) is an aberration, just like Couzens. And the cop now on remand for rape.
I have no concerns about the police or the nhs. Other than they don’t have enough staff in either. And money gets wasted in both. The vast majority of people within these organisations are hardworking and honest. And I have faith in them.
The nurse in question has had very little news coverage. She appeared in court today on remand pleading not guilty.
Not a mention of it on the news tonight. It had a small entry on the bbc online news.
Any murder is shocking.
Couzens raped and murdered an innocent lone woman.
This nurse has murdered 8 babies and attempted another 8. This is a totally different level and should be front page news. And headline on news at ten.
Why isn’t it ?
why are you telling me all this again? what has it got to do with the thread matter?
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It’s all about confidence.
Which you questioned.
And I answered.
And now I’m asking questions.
It’s called a thread of conversation .
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Cressida the Dick says you're dead wrong
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We agree on one thing.
Cressida the dick.
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She is only interested in keeping her gold plated pension in tact.
And probably a peerage in years to come.
She is no more of a copper than Boris johnson or kier starmer is .
She is so far detached from policing she would not know what the codes of practice are. Or the police caution for that matter.
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So you don't have confidence in the Commissioner of Police.
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Amazing. she has had to eat a large chunk of humble pie and admit she was dead wrong too.
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So you don't have confidence in the Commissioner of Police.
Ok , you got me there.I don’t have a great deal of confidence in her. But like I say. She ain’t no cop. She is a politician.
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My question is this of the police, if the way they are policing the extinction rebellion and the insulate Britain campaigns is correct, was the way they policed the industrial unrest in previous decades unlawful.
They even brought out the cavalry, and charged the protesters, or does it all revolve around that one word protesters.
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My question was biased for just you.
I have confidence in the nhs.
The woman accused of killing those babies ( and the cps would never charge her unless there was a realistic chance of conviction) is an aberration, just like Couzens. And the cop now on remand for rape.
I have no concerns about the police or the nhs. Other than they don’t have enough staff in either. And money gets wasted in both. The vast majority of people within these organisations are hardworking and honest. And I have faith in them.
The nurse in question has had very little news coverage. She appeared in court today on remand pleading not guilty.
Not a mention of it on the news tonight. It had a small entry on the bbc online news.
Any murder is shocking.
Couzens raped and murdered an innocent lone woman.
This nurse has murdered 8 babies and attempted another 8. This is a totally different level and should be front page news. And headline on news at ten.
Why isn’t it ?
Please stop talking sense on this forum, it's not the done thing don't you know?
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The NHS has become a quasi religious cult which it is unacceptable to criticize. There are a lot of good people working hard in there, BUT there are a lot of people who believe there own hype. To be honest all this NHS SUPERHEROES stuff makes me feel ill. They are doing a job they CHOSE to do, so why like the rest of all the other HARD WORKING people in the country can't they just get on with it quietly. I would have more respect for that. I'm sick of hearing about extra discount here there and everywhere for NHS staff and teachers. Why?
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My question is this of the police, if the way they are policing the extinction rebellion and the insulate Britain campaigns is correct, was the way they policed the industrial unrest in previous decades unlawful.
They even brought out the cavalry, and charged the protesters, or does it all revolve around that one word protesters.
The policing of protests has changed dramatically over the years. A simple answer would be to say that legislation over the decades has been altered to suit.
Back in the miners strike of 1912, I dare say it was all based around common law with little or no discretion being afforded to those involved in industrial action.
Fast forward to 2021 and protestors these days have many rights. The right to protest of course. Freedom of speech. But balanced with the rights of others they may affect whilst protesting.
There are far more complex reasons of course. Far too many to bore anyone with.
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My question is this of the police, if the way they are policing the extinction rebellion and the insulate Britain campaigns is correct, was the way they policed the industrial unrest in previous decades unlawful.
They even brought out the cavalry, and charged the protesters, or does it all revolve around that one word protesters.
If you're BLM, XR, IB, Anti Brexit it's dealt with kid gloves, taking the knee, skateboarding and disco dancing while normal people are stopped from going about their lawful business.
Anything vaguely patriotic or football related and you get the shit beaten out of you and banged up.
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As regards Couzens, there'll be a load of old lags and lifers gleefully waiting for him wherever he's banged up. They just love ex-coppers in there, especially one who's raped and murdered a young lass.
I'm predicting an Epstein type hanging very soon in there.
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As regards Couzens, there'll be a load of old lags and lifers gleefully waiting for him wherever he's banged up. They just love ex-coppers in there, especially one who's raped and murdered a young lass.
I'm predicting an Epstein type hanging very soon in there.
Whilst I whole heartedly agree with your sentiment. Ex cops, like peadophiles do “the numbers” where they are put on a special wing for their own protection. Even so, there are differing levels of dross on these wings. And I hope there will be at least one with the gumption to shank this monster for good.
I’m giving him till Xmas. If he doesn’t top himself beforehand of course .
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As regards Couzens, there'll be a load of old lags and lifers gleefully waiting for him wherever he's banged up. They just love ex-coppers in there, especially one who's raped and murdered a young lass.
I'm predicting an Epstein type hanging very soon in there.
Whilst I whole heartedly agree with your sentiment. Ex cops, like peadophiles do “the numbers” where they are put on a special wing for their own protection. Even so, there are differing levels of dross on these wings. And I hope there will be at least one with the gumption to shank this monster for good.
I’m giving him till Xmas. If he doesn’t top himself beforehand of course .
Probably put him on Sex offenders wing where he will be the top Dog!