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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Super Colin Cramb on August 23, 2021, 05:09:19 pm
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Reported in the free press that Bogle has rejected the option of signing for either of the two teams interested in him. This obviously prevents Richy going out and signing the striker he has lined up and agreed to sign once funds become available.
Bogle is clearly not in Richy’s plans so he is obviously happy to just sit around collecting his wages!
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Or you can look at it another way, Bogle isn't happy to take a wage cut when he doesn't have to.
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I would hope that a deal could be struck whereby any shortfall is paid up - so Bogle leaves, frees up "some" money (and plays regularly) - and allows us to get an alternative in.
Should be a win win situation really.
I suspect this is an opening negotiation stance.
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I agree don’t think this is the end merely the start of serious negotiations
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It’s not like we’d be paying him £40k a week to play for a rival like when Leeds were paying Robbie Fowler to play for Man City
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Surely we can just sack him on a count of fraud
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Surely we can just sack him on a count of fraud
RW said he is a good lad with a great attitude.
Problem is he is not good enough for the Football League. National League is his level imo.
Only one person to blame here really and that is DM
What made him think offering him a contract beyond last season was a clever move?
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Reported in the free press that Bogle has rejected the option of signing for either of the two teams interested in him. This obviously prevents Richy going out and signing the striker he has lined up and agreed to sign once funds become available.
Bogle is clearly not in Richy’s plans so he is obviously happy to just sit around collecting his wages!
He wants to be paid up instead . We’ve all been played when we signed this tosser !!
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Strikers go in and out of form and he hasn’t looked good but we’ve hardly created any chances in the last 8 months, we’ve been awful. We’re the smallest club he’s been at since he left Grimsby and some of those clubs have paid decent money for him, so he must have some ability there somewhere. He’s got to be at least league 2 level. At the end of the day we’ll never know the exact details but if he wants to turn down other offers, the lad’s under contract it’s his prerogative.
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Put him in the team for Stoke in a 5-4-1 . and watch him run all night chasing shadows !
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He's f*cking useless, and now he's standing in the way of us bringing in a decent striker.
RW should make him train on his own now. He'll soon realise that unless he moves, his career will be virtually over.
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Reported in the free press that Bogle has rejected the option of signing for either of the two teams interested in him. This obviously prevents Richy going out and signing the striker he has lined up and agreed to sign once funds become available.
Bogle is clearly not in Richy’s plans so he is obviously happy to just sit around collecting his wages!
He wants to be paid up instead . We’ve all been played when we signed this tosser !!
You know there really is no reason to call him that. Not his fault is it. If you were offered a decent deal which he must have been then you would take it. Yes/No. Think we know the answer.
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Reported in the free press that Bogle has rejected the option of signing for either of the two teams interested in him. This obviously prevents Richy going out and signing the striker he has lined up and agreed to sign once funds become available.
Bogle is clearly not in Richy’s plans so he is obviously happy to just sit around collecting his wages!
He wants to be paid up instead . We’ve all been played when we signed this tosser !!
You know there really is no reason to call him that. Not his fault is it. If you were offered a decent deal which he must have been then you would take it. Yes/No. Think we know the answer.
There is only one person to blame. DM
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He's f*cking useless, and now he's standing in the way of us bringing in a decent striker.
RW should make him train on his own now. He'll soon realise that unless he moves, his career will be virtually over.
SS you do not know what he has been offered do you. It might be half what he is on now.
Rovers do actually pay wages that is considerably more than some other clubs. Hard for some on here to actually understand that. ( Not aimed at you SS ) I want to be clear on that. :)
Don’t know if he has a family but if he has what should he do. They are his priority surely.
Footballers are like the rest of us and they have a living to earn just the same.
Lower down the leagues it can be a precarious life being a pro footballer and is a short career of only 15 years as an average if you go on 20 to 35
It’s just poor recruitment by DM and or Henshall.
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Just heard the news on Bogle....Cant blame the lad as he is under contract....I suppose Richie has got to do a bit of wheeling and dealing...
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Expect he will play at Stoke now,
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Don’t know how anyone can call him or anything,he has to do what’s best for him and if he thinks it’s staying where he is then can’t blame him for that no matter what reason whether it’s wages or could even be the travelling
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At least he knows where he stands! And that’s about it for him.
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He's f*cking useless, and now he's standing in the way of us bringing in a decent striker.
RW should make him train on his own now. He'll soon realise that unless he moves, his career will be virtually over.
SS you do not know what he has been offered do you. It might be half what he is on now.
Rovers do actually pay wages that is considerably more than some other clubs. Hard for some on here to actually understand that. ( Not aimed at you SS ) I want to be clear on that. :)
Don’t know if he has a family but if he has what should he do. They are his priority surely.
Footballers are like the rest of us and they have a living to earn just the same.
Lower down the leagues it can be a precarious life being a pro footballer and is a short career of only 15 years as an average if you go on 20 to 35
It’s just poor recruitment by DM and or Henshall.
Camps, a friend of mine who used to be at the Rovers told me a while ago that Rovers are not particularly up there at offering good money to players.
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I admire RW's honesty but does anybody think he will getting the boards back up with comments hes making about money?
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Probably doesn't care for him he's just getting in as much cash before he starts his music career.
Face it we're stuck with it and no signings now. Left to struggle all season
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Bogle holds all the power here. He’s under contract. And he’s not just going to sit taking money for nothing - he will get games here. He’ll have to.
Year on year on year we’ve depleted our squad in key positions by over-relying on the loan market. This has been going on long before covid.
That’s why on the eve of the season we only had one professional goalkeeper on the books and he’s only played a handful of games.
That’s why our midfield is still plugged with loans.
That’s why we’ve gone into this season with only two strikers contracted to the club. It’s bad luck that one of them hasn’t trained a minute all summer. But it’s not bad luck that our only other striker is surplus to requirements and beyond that we’re relying on an 18 year old loanee. This has been the operating model for years and it was always going to catch up eventually.
Richie had a budget this summer and he’s added some players to the defence to replace those that left (albeit for less money than those that left apparently). We could argue all night that he could have used he’s budget elsewhere, and he could have. But then we’d only be in the equivalent position having to look for free loans to plug the back line.
Covid has undoubtedly made an already difficult situation worse. But this predicament has been building for years.
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The problem is we don’t have time to play silly buggers. It needs sorting in the next couple of days. Moore really curled one out on us.
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I’m not sure it was a wise move from Richie, revealing that Bogle rejected the offer, I welcome transparency, but the potential is now there for the fans to get on Bogle’s back, which can’t be good for performance or motivation should he play
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He's f*cking useless, and now he's standing in the way of us bringing in a decent striker.
RW should make him train on his own now. He'll soon realise that unless he moves, his career will be virtually over.
SS you do not know what he has been offered do you. It might be half what he is on now.
Rovers do actually pay wages that is considerably more than some other clubs. Hard for some on here to actually understand that. ( Not aimed at you SS ) I want to be clear on that. :)
Don%u2019t know if he has a family but if he has what should he do. They are his priority surely.
Footballers are like the rest of us and they have a living to earn just the same.
Lower down the leagues it can be a precarious life being a pro footballer and is a short career of only 15 years as an average if you go on 20 to 35
It%u2019s just poor recruitment by DM and or Henshall.
Camps, a friend of mine who used to be at the Rovers told me a while ago that Rovers are not particularly up there at offering good money to players.
Well we would not have got some of these that RW has signed on peanuts. No way.
Who are you comparing us to hound ? It is all relative to size of the Club and the budget available to the manager.
Ours is better than 15 other clubs in our League. We have absolutely nothing to complain about when you see who those 8 clubs with larger budgets. 6 of them get gates twice ours or more.
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He's f*cking useless, and now he's standing in the way of us bringing in a decent striker.
RW should make him train on his own now. He'll soon realise that unless he moves, his career will be virtually over.
No the board are doing this by not giving Wellens the funds required and showing Bogle that he’s just not wanted . Instead they’d see this nobody hold our team to ransom !!
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He's f*cking useless, and now he's standing in the way of us bringing in a decent striker.
RW should make him train on his own now. He'll soon realise that unless he moves, his career will be virtually over.
No the board are doing this by not giving Wellens the funds required and showing Bogle that he’s just not wanted . Instead they’d see this nobody hold our team to ransom !!
Brilliant, another constructive post. ;)
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I don't know Bogle personally but i would imagine the last thing he wants to do is have to turn up for training and look the other players in the eye and be the one who holds back them, their progression and the club overall.
i would imagine we have see the first shots in a bargaining war that will be concluded before the transfer window ends and allows us to get a striker in, it my just not be the one we had lined up originally.
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He's f*cking useless, and now he's standing in the way of us bringing in a decent striker.
RW should make him train on his own now. He'll soon realise that unless he moves, his career will be virtually over.
SS you do not know what he has been offered do you. It might be half what he is on now.
Rovers do actually pay wages that is considerably more than some other clubs. Hard for some on here to actually understand that. ( Not aimed at you SS ) I want to be clear on that. :)
Don%u2019t know if he has a family but if he has what should he do. They are his priority surely.
Footballers are like the rest of us and they have a living to earn just the same.
Lower down the leagues it can be a precarious life being a pro footballer and is a short career of only 15 years as an average if you go on 20 to 35
It%u2019s just poor recruitment by DM and or Henshall.
Camps, a friend of mine who used to be at the Rovers told me a while ago that Rovers are not particularly up there at offering good money to players.
Well we would not have got some of these that RW has signed on peanuts. No way.
Who are you comparing us to hound ? It is all relative to size of the Club and the budget available to the manager.
Ours is better than 15 other clubs in our League. We have absolutely nothing to complain about when you see who those 8 clubs with larger budgets. 6 of them get gates twice ours or more.
I’m not comparing us to anyone Camps.
I am just telling people what a former player told me about the wages Rovers pay not being renowned for being particularly good.
It isn’t my opinion.
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He's f*cking useless, and now he's standing in the way of us bringing in a decent striker.
RW should make him train on his own now. He'll soon realise that unless he moves, his career will be virtually over.
SS you do not know what he has been offered do you. It might be half what he is on now.
Rovers do actually pay wages that is considerably more than some other clubs. Hard for some on here to actually understand that. ( Not aimed at you SS ) I want to be clear on that. :)
Don’t know if he has a family but if he has what should he do. They are his priority surely.
Footballers are like the rest of us and they have a living to earn just the same.
Lower down the leagues it can be a precarious life being a pro footballer and is a short career of only 15 years as an average if you go on 20 to 35
It’s just poor recruitment by DM and or Henshall.
Correct.
Although Baldwin (and the Board) should also perhaps reflect on what they agreed to here.
It pains me to say it but there was some rose-tinted spec wearing by certain members of the Rovers hierarchy throughout DM's appointment. I loved him as a player but as a manager he did the dirty on us.
Unfortunately, RW is paying the price for this.
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Everyone is on about the budget and we don't pay good wages to players, and we have a player who's wages are that good he won't accept the wage structure at two other clubs.
I do have it right don't I?
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He's f*cking useless, and now he's standing in the way of us bringing in a decent striker.
RW should make him train on his own now. He'll soon realise that unless he moves, his career will be virtually over.
SS you do not know what he has been offered do you. It might be half what he is on now.
Rovers do actually pay wages that is considerably more than some other clubs. Hard for some on here to actually understand that. ( Not aimed at you SS ) I want to be clear on that. :)
Don’t know if he has a family but if he has what should he do. They are his priority surely.
Footballers are like the rest of us and they have a living to earn just the same.
Lower down the leagues it can be a precarious life being a pro footballer and is a short career of only 15 years as an average if you go on 20 to 35
It’s just poor recruitment by DM and or Henshall.
Correct.
Although Baldwin (and the Board) should also perhaps reflect on what they agreed to here.
It pains me to say it but there was some rose-tinted spec wearing by certain members of the Rovers hierarchy throughout DM's appointment. I loved him as a player but as a manager he did the dirty on us.
Unfortunately, RW is paying the price for this.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing BigH DM had everyone fooled.
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Hopefully Simon Cowell see’s that rap video and takes him off our hands.
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I’ll hold my hand up to that Campsall
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Expect he will play at Stoke now,
Yeah and get injured & then be un-sellable :rolleyes:
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Best thing bogle can do is insist on playing at Stoke tomorrow, if RW does not already have him in the team, and start finding the back of the net.
Very difficult situation to manage this. RW has nailed his colours to the flag by saying he is not good enough. Now bogle is not happy to leave for whatever reason. Nightmare scenario for player and manager.
These should be incorporated into contracts. The “Not good enough” clause.
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Expect he will play at Stoke now,
Yeah and get injured & then be un-sellable :rolleyes:
A player that warms the bench every game would not be the most appealing either.
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He's f*cking useless, and now he's standing in the way of us bringing in a decent striker.
RW should make him train on his own now. He'll soon realise that unless he moves, his career will be virtually over.
SS you do not know what he has been offered do you. It might be half what he is on now.
Rovers do actually pay wages that is considerably more than some other clubs. Hard for some on here to actually understand that. ( Not aimed at you SS ) I want to be clear on that. :)
Don’t know if he has a family but if he has what should he do. They are his priority surely.
Footballers are like the rest of us and they have a living to earn just the same.
Lower down the leagues it can be a precarious life being a pro footballer and is a short career of only 15 years as an average if you go on 20 to 35
It’s just poor recruitment by DM and or Henshall.
Correct.
Although Baldwin (and the Board) should also perhaps reflect on what they agreed to here.
It pains me to say it but there was some rose-tinted spec wearing by certain members of the Rovers hierarchy throughout DM's appointment. I loved him as a player but as a manager he did the dirty on us.
Unfortunately, RW is paying the price for this.
Think that's sad but true. As has been alluded to on other threads there seems to be a bit of shortness of football procedure nous at times. That's not necessarily a criticism of the board, just highlights they've possibly been over generous at times and got caught up in thinking they were laying some foundations under DM that barely got off the drawing board.
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Still think it’s just the opening salvo
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Still think it’s just the opening salvo
Let’s hope so.
How on earth do you motivate a player who knows you don’t want him.
Then there is the effect on the squad, who know he is holding up a key player lined up to come in.
Nothing good will come of this if it continues.
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Reported in the free press that Bogle has rejected the option of signing for either of the two teams interested in him. This obviously prevents Richy going out and signing the striker he has lined up and agreed to sign once funds become available.
Bogle is clearly not in Richy’s plans so he is obviously happy to just sit around collecting his wages!
He wants to be paid up instead . We’ve all been played when we signed this tosser !!
You know there really is no reason to call him that. Not his fault is it. If you were offered a decent deal which he must have been then you would take it. Yes/No. Think we know the answer.
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Then he he needs to pull his finger out while we , as supporters are helping pay his wages , he is pinching money & looks like he can't be bothered. His perogative yes, but I would play him every game & make him earn his money for the rest of his contract, & if he doesn't put it out on the pitch, feel the wrath of our supporters.
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Hopefully won't end up going to the last minute on deadline day
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Alan Nixon reporting on Twitter he is after a pay off before going anywhere… Could get interesting
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Who is his agent?
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He's f*cking useless, and now he's standing in the way of us bringing in a decent striker.
RW should make him train on his own now. He'll soon realise that unless he moves, his career will be virtually over.
No the board are doing this by not giving Wellens the funds required and showing Bogle that he’s just not wanted . Instead they’d see this nobody hold our team to ransom !!
What load of rubbish.
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Bogles agent is ex Bradford player Jake Speight. Poker face time. He will go to Bradford I reckon before deadline, just hold firm with no pay off.
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Speight incidentally was convicted of assault in 2010 and went to prison but appealed and was let out with a community order. Five years later the FA accept him as an agent. Criminal.
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The more I read about Speight, the more I don’t like him. Arrested for domestic assault, where he allegedly bit and battered his girlfriend - he got given 12 weeks at crown court. The first the Bradford manager at the time knew about it was Speight s agent calling him to say your player has just been sent down for 12 weeks. !!!he thought it was ok not to tell anyone. Jesus.
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This is the sort of person pulling the strings around the Bogle move.
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Maybe a bit of psychology from RW in this.
Possibly trying to give Omar the big kick up the backside to motivate him to prove him wrong.
Well it either will or will not. We will see over the next week or two.
Still think he may be gone by 31st Aug.
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If him and his convicted thug agent dig their heels in, he can go out on loan. Help to pay his wages. In a year it will be Omar who? It works both ways. I don’t care for player power at all. It’s part of why football is rotten these days.
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Bogle holds all the power here. He’s under contract. And he’s not just going to sit taking money for nothing - he will get games here. He’ll have to.
Year on year on year we’ve depleted our squad in key positions by over-relying on the loan market. This has been going on long before covid.
That’s why on the eve of the season we only had one professional goalkeeper on the books and he’s only played a handful of games.
That’s why our midfield is still plugged with loans.
That’s why we’ve gone into this season with only two strikers contracted to the club. It’s bad luck that one of them hasn’t trained a minute all summer. But it’s not bad luck that our only other striker is surplus to requirements and beyond that we’re relying on an 18 year old loanee. This has been the operating model for years and it was always going to catch up eventually.
Richie had a budget this summer and he’s added some players to the defence to replace those that left (albeit for less money than those that left apparently). We could argue all night that he could have used he’s budget elsewhere, and he could have. But then we’d only be in the equivalent position having to look for free loans to plug the back line.
Covid has undoubtedly made an already difficult situation worse. But this predicament has been building for years.
If we put to the side any conspiracy theory that the club is lying and we don’t in fact have a competitive budget for this league, then unless a club is one of a chosen very few, they have to have some significant exposure to loans.
Ferguson, McCann, Moore and now Wellens have used loans for key positions. It’s a fantasy to think that without Kane, Wilks and arguably Downing, we would have been in the play offs under McCann. He had no back up striker that season and had Tyler Smith on loan to be the back up.
Wellens has a good budget and has used as he saw fit. In fact earlier this summer he said his intention was to steer clear of wholesale reliance on loanees, but obviously injuries and COVID have created an urgent need for loanees.
For clubs like us, Lincoln, MK Dons, Oxford and others who can only realistically hope for the play offs, the only way that happens competing against mega budget sides, is by getting in short term talent to enable them to compete.
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To be clear, nowhere have I said that we could or should do it without loans. Of course we need to bolster the team with loan signings that offer a level of quality we couldn’t otherwise hope to get. Kane, Wilks, Dieng and Galbraith are examples of that amongst others. But anyway my point was / is that year on year on year on year we’ve let contracted players leave and not replaced them, or replaced them with loans. And we’ve used loans not only to add exceptional talent (as above) but also in many circumstances pad out the squad. As a result our core of players falls and right now we’re short in almost every position bar full back. Arguably we’re covered at centre half with some shifting about. But one injury and we’re down to the bare bones. The striker situation is terrible.
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Unless someone contends that the budget has been consistently shrinking - and nobody seriously is making that point - then people can either believe that successive managers have been directed by the club to take on loans to backfill the squad, or successive managers have had control of the budget and they have spent as they see fit, using the loan market as they see fit.
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I think the point is every club in this league has to use loans, even the bigger clubs like Sunderland etc need good loanees (even premier League clubs take loans on).
But they shouldn't be the spine of the team they should be a few quality additions and cover. It's a balancing act and rightly many agree we've tipped it too far. Having said that, one striker in and I'm much more comfortable with where we are.
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Put him in the team for Stoke in a 5-4-1 . and watch him run all night chasing shadows !
I wouldn’t play him at all lol he will suffer
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Everyone is on about the budget and we don't pay good wages to players, and we have a player who's wages are that good he won't accept the wage structure at two other clubs.
I do have it right don't I?
Yes but the 2 other clubs are league 2 apparently.
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We have had too many loans under DM
It’s all about the right balance imo.
We will be bringing in 1 more hopefully but imo it is probably 1 too many as we already have 4 which i think is the right no.
If the budget has been spent and it is a good budget, bigger it would appear than Oxford, Lincoln, MK Dons.
Rotherham I am assuming are the 8th team on the list of clubs with bigger budgets than us. ( no particular order )
So it’s no good us moaning. RW will have been told in his interview what the budget was and it was up to him how he used it.
Do we want quality or quantity? Yes ideally both of course but I would take quality over quantity every time if it was a choice.
Quality rather than quantity also gives the younger lads a chance to get some game time. They will not improve if they are never getting game time.
Yes send them on loan, no problem but if we need one or two get them back on the bench or start them if needed.
I do not want to see 7 loan players in our squad again. 4/5 is plenty. 5 is more than plenty imo.
Onwards and upwards. In RW I trust.
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When MCCann was manager he had to pay the existing squad he brought in two players permanent one being till January and two loans in the summer. He then brought in 1 permanent and 2 loans in January I believe. But the squad was there.
DM brought in 5/6 in the summer loans last season to add to what squad we had. He signed Williams after a trial he then brought in 2 more loans to make 7 plus two permanent players. We were told he was backed to the hilt yet we’ve found out since the budget was 23% less than normal. That was not said last season. We now should understand why loans were used last season with a lower budget.So Bogle is on a big wage I doubt it in my opinion.
Richie had to bring in permanent players because we didn’t have them. The wages we offered Halliday James Wright and Lokilo were that good they fell over to accept them. Yet we’ve got Knoyle R Williams and Rowe for less then what we had offered Halliday James and Butlers wage. So at this moment we are at an impasse Bogle won’t go for whatever reason we have an injured centre half who we don’t know the extent of his injury but we can’t bring any body in if we have to. The only thing we may be able to do is free loans but will they be what Richie wants. So let’s hope that with negotiations Bogle and EWilliams move on.
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When MCCann was manager he had to pay the existing squad he brought in two players permanent one being till January and two loans in the summer. He then brought in 1 permanent and 2 loans in January I believe. But the squad was there.
DM brought in 5/6 in the summer loans last season to add to what squad we had. He signed Williams after a trial he then brought in 2 more loans to make 7 plus two permanent players. We were told he was backed to the hilt yet we’ve found out since the budget was 23% less than normal. That was not said last season. We now should understand why loans were used last season with a lower budget.So Bogle is on a big wage I doubt it in my opinion.
Richie had to bring in permanent players because we didn’t have them. The wages we offered Halliday James Wright and Lokilo were that good they fell over to accept them. Yet we’ve got Knoyle R Williams and Rowe for less then what we had offered Halliday James and Butlers wage. So at this moment we are at an impasse Bogle won’t go for whatever reason we have an injured centre half who we don’t know the extent of his injury but we can’t bring any body in if we have to. The only thing we may be able to do is free loans but will they be what Richie wants. So let’s hope that with negotiations Bogle and EWilliams move on.
We do not know what Bogle is on. Probably less than £1.500 a week based on what i have been told Bostock is on or was on under DM.
Maybe the clubs that were interested in signing him offered even less than his wage at Rovers.
Or maybe those clubs were not in the area of the country he wanted to go to.
He might be married or ( partner ) with kids and will need to take them into consideration.
We all assume it is easy for footballers to just move from club to club and up sticks to another part of the country, but it is not always as simple as that.
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Bradford is hardly the other end of the world
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A reporter for Bradford says the clue is still wanting him as they have no strikers through injury, and Bogle is hanging on for a Rovers pay off
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Bradford is hardly the other end of the world
Do we know for a fact Bradford was one of the clubs.
How much were they offering him? For all we know it could have been half what he is on here.
Not saying it was but we have no idea.
There is a reason he tuned the offers down.
RW said Quote “ He is a good lad with a great attitude”
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It’s not Padge but the quickest I can get to and from the Keepmoat is about 45/50 minutes depending on traffic. That’s doing 70-80 most of the time on the motorway.
If Bogle lives an hour or two south of Doncaster it makes it more expensive fuel wise and more time consuming.
James Hanson left Grimsby at the end of last season because he was living there two days a week and travelling to Bradford to come home the rest of the time.
He’s now happily playing for Farsley Celtic as his career winds down.
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https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/transfer-update-emerges-as-bradford-city-eye-deal-with-efl-club/
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When MCCann was manager he had to pay the existing squad he brought in two players permanent one being till January and two loans in the summer. He then brought in 1 permanent and 2 loans in January I believe. But the squad was there.
DM brought in 5/6 in the summer loans last season to add to what squad we had. He signed Williams after a trial he then brought in 2 more loans to make 7 plus two permanent players. We were told he was backed to the hilt yet we’ve found out since the budget was 23% less than normal. That was not said last season. We now should understand why loans were used last season with a lower budget.So Bogle is on a big wage I doubt it in my opinion.
Richie had to bring in permanent players because we didn’t have them. The wages we offered Halliday James Wright and Lokilo were that good they fell over to accept them. Yet we’ve got Knoyle R Williams and Rowe for less then what we had offered Halliday James and Butlers wage. So at this moment we are at an impasse Bogle won’t go for whatever reason we have an injured centre half who we don’t know the extent of his injury but we can’t bring any body in if we have to. The only thing we may be able to do is free loans but will they be what Richie wants. So let’s hope that with negotiations Bogle and EWilliams move on.
We do not know what Bogle is on. Probably less than £1.500 a week based on what i have been told Bostock is on or was on under DM.
Maybe the clubs that were interested in signing him offered even less than his wage at Rovers.
Or maybe those clubs were not in the area of the country he wanted to go to.
He might be married or ( partner ) with kids and will need to take them into consideration.
We all assume it is easy for footballers to just move from club to club and up sticks to another part of the country, but it is not always as simple as that.
Looking at his career history he hasn't been adverse to the odd bit of relocation.
No idea where he was "based" but prior to coming to us he was at Grimsby, Cardiff, Portsmouth, Peterborough, Holland & Charlton to name some...
He seems to have taken to it relatively easily.
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I have to say, although this situation is very frustrating from a DRFC perspective, I'm finding the abuse towards Bogle (especially on social media) to be very unseemly.
It's really frustrating, you can see that in RW's latest interview on the Free Press... but we have to admit we don't know the ins and outs of it. We don't know which clubs are in for him and what they're offering. He's under contract here and if the moves aren't right for him for whatever reason, we have to accept that he's not obliged to go, as much as we might disagree with that.
Folk calling him every name under the sun, telling him to f**k off, and saying the club should find a reason to sack him - it's all just very unnecessary IMO.
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As someone who does that journey almost daily, I can tell you it is a pain in the a..., sometimes you can be as quick as 45-50 mins, but a fair amount of time it can be double that - fuel can range from £50 -£80 per week, that is obviously dependent on car.
Try and play hardball best we can, with both him or his agent, and the club we want to sign the other player from, to lessen the impact. I am not sure there is any alternative than paying slightly more than our budget now though. The fact it gets rid of a player who is not required, or good enough may well be worth it in the end.
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I have to say, although this situation is very frustrating from a DRFC perspective, I'm finding the abuse towards Bogle (especially on social media) to be very unseemly.
It's really frustrating, you can see that in RW's latest interview on the Free Press... but we have to admit we don't know the ins and outs of it. We don't know which clubs are in for him and what they're offering. He's under contract here and if the moves aren't right for him for whatever reason, we have to accept that he's not obliged to go, as much as we might disagree with that.
Folk calling him every name under the sun, telling him to f**k off, and saying the club should find a reason to sack him - it's all just very unnecessary IMO.
It is totally unacceptable. Pathetic cowards hiding behind a keyboard. They would run a mile if face to face with him after posting what they do.
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It’s not Padge but the quickest I can get to and from the Keepmoat is about 45/50 minutes depending on traffic. That’s doing 70-80 most of the time on the motorway.
If Bogle lives an hour or two south of Doncaster it makes it more expensive fuel wise and more time consuming.
James Hanson left Grimsby at the end of last season because he was living there two days a week and travelling to Bradford to come home the rest of the time.
He’s now happily playing for Farsley Celtic as his career winds down.
Speeding :O
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Read into his agent last night. He really does seem like an unsavoury individual. Reports that I've read state that he opens with something along the lines of
"Before we get started, how much am I getting?"
Wouldn't surprise me if Bogle hanging on for a pay-out before going to Bradford was the truth. Did the same with Charlton to us.
I vote to play hardball. Rather not let that divvy agent call the shots.
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Thought his agent's name rang a bell, unsavoury is probably the right word Monkcaster: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/bradford-city-striker-jake-speight-18227162
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I have to say, although this situation is very frustrating from a DRFC perspective, I'm finding the abuse towards Bogle (especially on social media) to be very unseemly.
It's really frustrating, you can see that in RW's latest interview on the Free Press... but we have to admit we don't know the ins and outs of it. We don't know which clubs are in for him and what they're offering. He's under contract here and if the moves aren't right for him for whatever reason, we have to accept that he's not obliged to go, as much as we might disagree with that.
Folk calling him every name under the sun, telling him to f**k off, and saying the club should find a reason to sack him - it's all just very unnecessary IMO.
It is totally unacceptable. Pathetic cowards hiding behind a keyboard. They would run a mile if face to face with him after posting what they do.
I agree just not required, what is wrong with people! can they not be banned (I do not understand social media sites)
Unfortunately if that was me, I would dig my heels in just to rub it in
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Who in their line of work would just walk away to a lesser paid job if there was chance of getting a ‘pay off’ to leave. He’s doing nothing wrong, yes it holds up recruiting a new player but I still think he will go, it’s just part of the negotiation game. There is nowhere stated that the door is closed
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Who in their line of work would just walk away to a lesser paid job if there was chance of getting a ‘pay off’ to leave. He’s doing nothing wrong, yes it holds up recruiting a new player but I still think he will go, it’s just part of the negotiation game. There is nowhere stated that the door is closed
It’s not as clear cut as that for a footballer. Would you rather be guaranteed 1300 a week for a two years or 1500 a week for a year?
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A lot of talk about mental health currently. Being in a workplace where you are not wanted or needed would surely play on your mental well being.
Sometimes isn’t it best just to cut your losses and move on.
There is more to life than money.
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I have to say, although this situation is very frustrating from a DRFC perspective, I'm finding the abuse towards Bogle (especially on social media) to be very unseemly.
It's really frustrating, you can see that in RW's latest interview on the Free Press... but we have to admit we don't know the ins and outs of it. We don't know which clubs are in for him and what they're offering. He's under contract here and if the moves aren't right for him for whatever reason, we have to accept that he's not obliged to go, as much as we might disagree with that.
Folk calling him every name under the sun, telling him to f**k off, and saying the club should find a reason to sack him - it's all just very unnecessary IMO.
It is totally unacceptable. Pathetic cowards hiding behind a keyboard. They would run a mile if face to face with him after posting what they do.
I agree just not required, what is wrong with people! can they not be banned (I do not understand social media sites)
Unfortunately if that was me, I would dig my heels in just to rub it in
You have to bare in mind that the DRFC group on FB is mostly kids.
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Who in their line of work would just walk away to a lesser paid job if there was chance of getting a ‘pay off’ to leave. He’s doing nothing wrong, yes it holds up recruiting a new player but I still think he will go, it’s just part of the negotiation game. There is nowhere stated that the door is closed
It’s not as clear cut as that for a footballer. Would you rather be guaranteed 1300 a week for a two years or 1500 a week for a year?
Or £1300 for 2 years + a severance payment from initial employer ??
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While ever bogle is at drfc from now on, he will be doing nothing to enhance his prospects, appeal and ultimately his value as a player. He will, in essence, fester.
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A lot of talk about mental health currently. Being in a workplace where you are not wanted or needed would surely play on your mental well being.
Sometimes isn’t it best just to cut your losses and move on.
There is more to life than money.
mental health is one thing, but when he brings it on himself is another ie refusing to go to a club when the club you are at is no good for anyone
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I have to say, although this situation is very frustrating from a DRFC perspective, I'm finding the abuse towards Bogle (especially on social media) to be very unseemly.
It's really frustrating, you can see that in RW's latest interview on the Free Press... but we have to admit we don't know the ins and outs of it. We don't know which clubs are in for him and what they're offering. He's under contract here and if the moves aren't right for him for whatever reason, we have to accept that he's not obliged to go, as much as we might disagree with that.
Folk calling him every name under the sun, telling him to f**k off, and saying the club should find a reason to sack him - it's all just very unnecessary IMO.
I'm with you on this. We might welcome Richies open and honest approach but this ought to have stayed out of the media. It was OK up to the point when he wouldn't say who it was, so from then on I think it would have been better to keep it that way and tell the media 'You'll, just have to wait and see.'
I feared the idiots would target him on social media which is out of order.
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A lot of talk about mental health currently. Being in a workplace where you are not wanted or needed would surely play on your mental well being.
Sometimes isn’t it best just to cut your losses and move on.
There is more to life than money.
mental health is one thing, but when he brings it on himself is another ie refusing to go to a club when the club you are at is no good for anyone
So you think he should take a financial hit just to please Rovers fans
I still think he will go but with a pay off
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That is the only way it will happen now, so we have to play hardball with him, and the club we want to buy/loan from to balance it out.
This is not Bogles fault, as RW said it is just football. Whilst it is great to say its not all about money, it is the only thing we go to work for, and in such a short career you have to make the most of what you can. What if the shortfall is £1000-£2000 a week, not a totally unrealistic value either - would you just leave it?
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If his decision is based on money you can’t ask a contracted person just like Butler to walk away with less money. Andy was paid up after not accepting a loan which was beneficial to him. So with Bogle if his weekly pay here is more than the club is going to then we pay the difference for the length of his contract here. He then has to decide what the new club has offered in length of contract and make a decision. You cant be fair with Andy and expect Omar just to walk for less than his contracted for. That’s not his fault down the ex manager and club officials.
As for putting in the public domain his name came out in the press before Richie gave it out. But his openness gives the information on all subjects first hand which is good, perhaps if Darren had done that last year we may have seen a different picture tonthe one that has been painted.
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I hope he plays tonight and bags a hat-rick...... I'm not a massive fan, but any turn in form can only enhance his reputation - both to the Donny fans who like to slate him, the manager who doesn't rate him and any potential club who may want to take him...
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Let’s say bogle has 50 weeks left on his contract. If the wages at the other club is 2 grand a week less then rovers have to stump up 100k to move him on.
I get the distinct impression RW has not got access to that sort of money. Probably not even half that.
The club would rather loan him out than take a hit like this.
Bogle still gets paid his contracted salary.
Rovers lose out on a new striker.
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Let’s say bogle has 50 weeks left on his contract. If the wages at the other club is 2 grand a week less then rovers have to stump up 100k to move him on.
I get the distinct impression RW has not got access to that sort of money. Probably not even half that.
The club would rather loan him out than take a hit like this.
Bogle still gets paid his contracted salary.
Rovers lose out on a new striker.
We're assuming money (weekly wage) is the stumbling block here. Surely the worst deal we can do is a loan until the end of the season with Rovers covering the shortfall in his wages? Anything better than that is a bonus.
There was an interesting comment in one of the interviews about them already having a couple of months to sort it and nothing has happened. Maybe that just refers to Ed Williams but it made it sound like Bogle's card was marked all along. He's gone very quickly from a 'good honest lad' to 'not in the plans' - sadly nothing we didn't expect/predict from the beginning, Wellens hasn't seen anything we hadn't and another hangover from the Moore era to contend with.
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A reporter for Bradford says the clue is still wanting him as they have no strikers through injury, and Bogle is hanging on for a Rovers pay off
If Bradford want him enough, they can give Bogle the payoff he's wanting.
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I hope he plays tonight and bags a hat-rick...... I'm not a massive fan, but any turn in form can only enhance his reputation - both to the Donny fans who like to slate him, the manager who doesn't rate him and any potential club who may want to take him...
Why would we want to cup-tie someone we want rid of?
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Let’s say bogle has 50 weeks left on his contract. If the wages at the other club is 2 grand a week less then rovers have to stump up 100k to move him on.
I get the distinct impression RW has not got access to that sort of money. Probably not even half that.
The club would rather loan him out than take a hit like this.
Bogle still gets paid his contracted salary.
Rovers lose out on a new striker.
If the other club are looking to pay Bogle 2 grand a week less - then their offer must be peanuts :lol:
I'd be surprised (no... amazed) if he is on £2k a week here.
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Let’s say bogle has 50 weeks left on his contract. If the wages at the other club is 2 grand a week less then rovers have to stump up 100k to move him on.
I get the distinct impression RW has not got access to that sort of money. Probably not even half that.
The club would rather loan him out than take a hit like this.
Bogle still gets paid his contracted salary.
Rovers lose out on a new striker.
We're assuming money (weekly wage) is the stumbling block here. Surely the worst deal we can do is a loan until the end of the season with Rovers covering the shortfall in his wages? Anything better than that is a bonus.
There was an interesting comment in one of the interviews about them already having a couple of months to sort it and nothing has happened. Maybe that just refers to Ed Williams but it made it sound like Bogle's card was marked all along. He's gone very quickly from a 'good honest lad' to 'not in the plans' - sadly nothing we didn't expect/predict from the beginning, Wellens hasn't seen anything we hadn't and another hangover from the Moore era to contend with.
Agree with this. The tone from Wellens has definitely changed. Last month it was about clean slate and then last week it was not even naming him as being under offer. Now Wellens saying what we all can see, about Bogle not making any runs let alone scoring goals. Probably doesn’t want to talk down an asset he is trying to move along but you don’t get the feeling Richie is a man generally with a surfeit of patience with anyone or anything.
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I hope he plays tonight and bags a hat-rick...... I'm not a massive fan, but any turn in form can only enhance his reputation - both to the Donny fans who like to slate him, the manager who doesn't rate him and any potential club who may want to take him...
Why would we want to cup-tie someone we want rid of?
Don’t think the clubs likely to be signing up Omar will be troubling the later stages of the EFL Cup.
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I hope he plays tonight and bags a hat-rick...... I'm not a massive fan, but any turn in form can only enhance his reputation - both to the Donny fans who like to slate him, the manager who doesn't rate him and any potential club who may want to take him...
Why would we want to cup-tie someone we want rid of?
Well - presuming it is Bradford, they have left the competition..... not sure who the other contenders for Bogle are?
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Maybe naming him more now to try and attract interest as we're getting to late stages of the transfer window
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Play him tonight if by some miracle he does score it may tempt Bradford to up there offer to him
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By naming him Wellens is putting pressure on both Bogle and his agent, he now knows that if we fail to get players we need in and he fails to perform when played (I expect Ritchie to put him in the starting 11) he’s going to get dogs abuse. I’m not saying I agree with that tactic of blame Omar for the stance he has taken but it forces an outcome
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A City supporting mate was asking me about him this afternoon due to the rumours.
He said that what they are after is a goal scorer. I’m not sure that Omar fits that description even in League one.
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If you look back over his career his goal scoring record is just getting worse and worse.
If he’s turning down lower pay than he is currently on then I get that but come the end of the season it leaves him with nothing. Unless he plans to retire in May 2022 then he needs to get himself in the shop window and that’s not going to happen in League 1.
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But if you look at his career most of his goals were scored at league 2 and lower as he’s move up and down the pyramid his goals have got less. But he never played at league 2 level since he left Grimsby,
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Let’s say bogle has 50 weeks left on his contract. If the wages at the other club is 2 grand a week less then rovers have to stump up 100k to move him on.
I get the distinct impression RW has not got access to that sort of money. Probably not even half that.
The club would rather loan him out than take a hit like this.
Bogle still gets paid his contracted salary.
Rovers lose out on a new striker.
If the other club are looking to pay Bogle 2 grand a week less - then their offer must be peanuts :lol:
I'd be surprised (no... amazed) if he is on £2k a week here.
He will not be on that much.
Bostock was only on £1.500 last season, possibly more now if his contract has been re negotiated.
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If you look back over his career his goal scoring record is just getting worse and worse.
If he’s turning down lower pay than he is currently on then I get that but come the end of the season it leaves him with nothing. Unless he plans to retire in May 2022 then he needs to get himself in the shop window and that’s not going to happen in League 1.
If he carries on like this , then he will be in the shop window in May 2022... dressing it.
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Has to play every game for me. Not because of his skill level but shouldn’t give him a free check, make him work, if he finds some form brill, but won’t do that by being sat in the stands, play him
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When did Boz re-negotiate. I hope he as and this means he stays past the end of the season.
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If you look back over his career his goal scoring record is just getting worse and worse.
If he’s turning down lower pay than he is currently on then I get that but come the end of the season it leaves him with nothing. Unless he plans to retire in May 2022 then he needs to get himself in the shop window and that’s not going to happen in League 1.
If he carries on like this , then he will be in the shop window in May 2022... dressing it.
:clapping: :lol: well done
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I hope he plays tonight and bags a hat-rick...... I'm not a massive fan, but any turn in form can only enhance his reputation - both to the Donny fans who like to slate him, the manager who doesn't rate him and any potential club who may want to take him...
Why would we want to cup-tie someone we want rid of?
Well - presuming it is Bradford, they have left the competition..... not sure who the other contenders for Bogle are?
And if Bradford pulls out, then what? What's the sense in making a player potentially less attractive to buy when you're trying to get rid of him?
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If you look back over his career his goal scoring record is just getting worse and worse.
If he’s turning down lower pay than he is currently on then I get that but come the end of the season it leaves him with nothing. Unless he plans to retire in May 2022 then he needs to get himself in the shop window and that’s not going to happen in League 1.
If he carries on like this , then he will be in the shop window in May 2022... dressing it.
He'd still be missing his true calling as a window mannequin.
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I hope he plays tonight and bags a hat-rick...... I'm not a massive fan, but any turn in form can only enhance his reputation - both to the Donny fans who like to slate him, the manager who doesn't rate him and any potential club who may want to take him...
Why would we want to cup-tie someone we want rid of?
Well - presuming it is Bradford, they have left the competition..... not sure who the other contenders for Bogle are?
And if Bradford pulls out, then what? What's the sense in making a player potentially less attractive to buy when you're trying to get rid of him?
There are only 5 or 6 League Two clubs left in the competition, and at most 2 to 3 will be in round 2. Not sure teams in the next round are the target market for him so wouldn’t be too concerned.
He also played in the first round so he’s cup tied anyway. Maybe that’s what’s stopping those Championship and PL clubs coming in for him :lol:
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Him not being in the squad today suggests this is not yet done. Otherwise he should be.
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Chucking a 16 year old on the bench instead of him is certainly a message.
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We could hardly risk him getting injured?
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We could hardly risk him getting injured?
That's a fair point. Wellens has made it clear he's not part of his plans. If he picks up an injury that could scupper any potential move out (in whatever form that would be) and we'd be left with him on the books.
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We could really do with some movement before Saturday, whatever Bogle’s situation is. This Rovers 0 every week (almost) is getting a bit depressing.
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We could really do with some movement before Saturday, whatever Bogle’s situation is. This Rovers 0 every week (almost) is getting a bit depressing.
To be fair though, Alan, it should have been Rovers 1 last Saturday; we were robbed.
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Shudda & cudda don’t get you 3 points, though. I agree, by the way, it was a perfectly good goal, but the Ides of March, April, May and June seem to be on us at the moment.
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Send him out on loan to either of the interested clubs,he may rethink,if not,we should save part of his wages,and a full deal may develop.
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Based on what RW said post match tonight I can’t see Bogle
Playing this sat. He mentioned long term plans for the club and making decisions that suit the long term plan. Bogle clearly isn’t in them.
I was at Stoke tonight and there was a section of the rovers crowd singing Omar bogle get out of our club etc.
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Looks like Bradford have moved on to new ground - signing Theo Robinson....
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/perfect-ten-as-bradford-city-sign-theo-robinson-to-end-summer-recruitment-3366524
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Looks like Bradford have moved on to new ground - signing Theo Robinson....
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/perfect-ten-as-bradford-city-sign-theo-robinson-to-end-summer-recruitment-3366524
i was trying to think of his name last night and wondering where he was .... he always scores on his debut
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https://sportsworldghana.com/doncaster-rovers-to-offer-omar-bogle-to-a-non-league-club/
No idea how reliable Sports World Ghana is as a publication, but ears in Grimsby have pricked up at this story. Any rumblings at the Donny end now you have Dodoo under your belt?
No idea whether Omar would fancy it, but he’d be very welcome back at Blundell Park.
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https://sportsworldghana.com/doncaster-rovers-to-offer-omar-bogle-to-a-non-league-club/
No idea how reliable Sports World Ghana is as a publication, but ears in Grimsby have pricked up at this story. Any rumblings at the Donny end now you have Dodoo under your belt?
No idea whether Omar would fancy it, but he’d be very welcome back at Blundell Park.
I'd say unlikely as Omar reportedly turned down offers from League 2 as he didn't want to drop down a level. He needs to be playing, if he still wants to be a pro footballer.
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Going to National league side on loan would not be as big a commitment as it’s only month by month if he wants that. He may still reject a loan but if he’s any intention in staying in football he needs to play. Whether he believes league 2 and National league is below him is irrelevant now. Otherwise he’ll be not doing anything til the next window.
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He may have rejected the idea of a lower wage, with a loan he'll still have the same wage but the opportunity to play football.
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It is in the interest of both DRFC, but more importantly Bogles representatives to keep this in the media - he will be without a club at the end of the season, they will be very aware of the amount of quality of players without clubs.
I hope Grimsby come in for him, in fact I think the whole of DRFC are hoping. :cool:
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https://sportsworldghana.com/doncaster-rovers-to-offer-omar-bogle-to-a-non-league-club/
No idea how reliable Sports World Ghana is as a publication, but ears in Grimsby have pricked up at this story. Any rumblings at the Donny end now you have Dodoo under your belt?
No idea whether Omar would fancy it, but he’d be very welcome back at Blundell Park.
I imagine about 6000 people would be happy to give him a lift?
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https://sportsworldghana.com/doncaster-rovers-to-offer-omar-bogle-to-a-non-league-club/
No idea how reliable Sports World Ghana is as a publication, but ears in Grimsby have pricked up at this story. Any rumblings at the Donny end now you have Dodoo under your belt?
No idea whether Omar would fancy it, but he’d be very welcome back at Blundell Park.
I imagine about 6000 people would be happy to give him a lift?
Even the other 6.000 that rearely go to watch us.
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https://sportsworldghana.com/doncaster-rovers-to-offer-omar-bogle-to-a-non-league-club/
No idea how reliable Sports World Ghana is as a publication, but ears in Grimsby have pricked up at this story. Any rumblings at the Donny end now you have Dodoo under your belt?
No idea whether Omar would fancy it, but he’d be very welcome back at Blundell Park.
I imagine about 6000 people would be happy to give him a lift?
Hardly makes a difference now that the window is shut I'd imagine- unless it would free up funds for a free agent.
I doubt any conference side would cover much of his wages.
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https://sportsworldghana.com/doncaster-rovers-to-offer-omar-bogle-to-a-non-league-club/
No idea how reliable Sports World Ghana is as a publication, but ears in Grimsby have pricked up at this story. Any rumblings at the Donny end now you have Dodoo under your belt?
No idea whether Omar would fancy it, but he’d be very welcome back at Blundell Park.
I imagine about 6000 people would be happy to give him a lift?
Even the other 6.000 that rearely go to watch us.
You're talking out your arse. ;)
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As Steve says above a loan deal isn’t inconceivable and would surely make sense for all parties even if Grimsby only made a nominal contribution to his wages. It’s clear he’s not going to play here. I would wish him well if he left.
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But would a loan persuade anyone to sign him permanently?
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But would a loan persuade anyone to sign him permanently?
Perhaps not, but what do we or he have to lose? He’s not going to get a permanent move to his liking by sitting doing nothing here. May as well loan him out. He gets paid the same and goes in the shop window. At worst we get a nominal contribution towards his wages, at best someone is persuaded to take him on in January. Either way we lose no more than we already stand to.
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I would hope that it wouldn't be so nominal.... I would be looking for 25-30% or more