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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: hstripes on September 10, 2021, 09:30:59 pm
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Thought this warranted a separate thread from the broad (excellent) thread on Covid in general.
Over in the US Joe Biden has announced a new law to encourage unvaccinated workers to get jabbed. Employees must prove they are vaccinated OR get tested every week. Failure to do so can lead to dismissal.
Not a fan of diminishing workers rights per se but think this proposal is excellent. Frankly in these extreme circumstances people deserve to have their rights diminished where their own actions endanger others.
I know the US has a bigger problem (esp certain states) in getting people vaccinated than here but I would be in favour of such a law in the UK.
Not just to encourage increased vaccination rates but morally why should we simply allow people to put their work colleagues and their families at risk? Clinically vulnerable and relatives of the vulnerable need to work like anyone else it is simply wrong that their health should be put at risk by the selfishness of workmates.
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The words “ Dealing with “
should send out enough fear !
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I think the focus atm should be in getting covid rates down across the world - and getting vaccine doses out to those who want it wherever they are.
It will be interesting to see what happens over here when the new law on vaccine passports for large events/nightclubs kicks-in and how the people react.
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And just like that, the population supports facist policies
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As I say above it's not sometthing I particuarly agree with or think is necessary for this country but which fascist policy are you refering to Ldr?
The ones limiting political protest, restrictions on the ability to vote or placing political appointees to run the media and media regulator? I don't know of one fascist regime that introduced laws on vaccination - but all of them had laws on the above? Happy tto be enlightend tho?
You can't serve in the UK military unless you have compulsory vaccinations btw? Are they fascist?
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For what it's worth, the health of the majority should come before the individual but every effort must be made to ensure that the individual is fully educated on the necessity to get vaccinated and to have every opportunity to get vaccinated. So they are given good notice of a deadline, we've had 18 months and the education should have started last year. Paid time off or medical staff to visit work, paid recovery time if required and maybe bonuses of some type as incentives.
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As I say above it's not sometthing I particuarly agree with or think is necessary for this country but which fascist policy are you refering to Ldr?
The ones limiting political protest, restrictions on the ability to vote or placing political appointees to run the media and media regulator? I don't know of one fascist regime that introduced laws on vaccination - but all of them had laws on the above? Happy tto be enlightend tho?
You can't serve in the UK military unless you have compulsory vaccinations btw? Are they fascist?
All of the above Wilts, we have been sleep walking into this
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Thought this warranted a separate thread from the broad (excellent) thread on Covid in general.
Over in the US Joe Biden has announced a new law to encourage unvaccinated workers to get jabbed. Employees must prove they are vaccinated OR get tested every week. Failure to do so can lead to dismissal.
Not a fan of diminishing workers rights per se but think this proposal is excellent. Frankly in these extreme circumstances people deserve to have their rights diminished where their own actions endanger others.
I know the US has a bigger problem (esp certain states) in getting people vaccinated than here but I would be in favour of such a law in the UK.
Not just to encourage increased vaccination rates but morally why should we simply allow people to put their work colleagues and their families at risk? Clinically vulnerable and relatives of the vulnerable need to work like anyone else it is simply wrong that their health should be put at risk by the selfishness of workmates.
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hs, anti-vaxxing has been around for yonks (who knew) and education on the benefits should be part of school, work and any opportunity possible, I don't remember any talk of vaccine resistance among school friends when getting a jab in the 60s, in fact it was almost a badge of honour.
''History of Anti-vaccination Movements''
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/history-anti-vaccination-movements
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Maybe those refusing a vaccination or anti-vaxxers as they no doubt will be labelled should smash up and burn down every establishment that they are refused entry to on these grounds!!
Or is that a little over the top?? …….I can amend it if it’s a little too offensive !
Tongue well and truly glued to inner cheek!……………….or is it?
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As I say above it's not sometthing I particuarly agree with or think is necessary for this country but which fascist policy are you refering to Ldr?
The ones limiting political protest, restrictions on the ability to vote or placing political appointees to run the media and media regulator? I don't know of one fascist regime that introduced laws on vaccination - but all of them had laws on the above? Happy tto be enlightend tho?
You can't serve in the UK military unless you have compulsory vaccinations btw? Are they fascist?
All of the above Wilts, we have been sleep walking into this
Thanks Ldr. I hope you will excuse me from your allegations of sleep walking into it - as I have been pointing out the fascist moves of this Vote Leave government since Johnson beacme PM and normalised lying 2 years ago.
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The policy in the US I'm advocating does not make vaccination mandatory though it does encourage it. I don't see what is 'fascist' about insisting people have a simple test for a very dangerous and transmissible disease before mixing with others at the work place where those people have freely chosen not to protect themselves. Is Joe Biden a fascist then? Really??
Wilts - I probably would agree with an awful lot of your criticisms of the current Government esp around dealing with the pandemic plus the latest NI tax rise for instance. But to tie support for leaving the EU to fascism is just errant nonsense. Just because you fervently disagree with a policy (as is your right) does not make that policy 'fascist'. The reason people voted to leave the EU was to restore democratic rights - the very opposite of what a true fascist would advocate.
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The policy in the US I'm advocating does not make vaccination mandatory though it does encourage it. I don't see what is 'fascist' about insisting people have a simple test for a very dangerous and transmissible disease before mixing with others at the work place where those people have freely chosen not to protect themselves. Is Joe Biden a fascist then? Really??
Wilts - I probably would agree with an awful lot of your criticisms of the current Government esp around dealing with the pandemic plus the latest NI tax rise for instance. But to tie support for leaving the EU to fascism is just errant nonsense. Just because you fervently disagree with a policy (as is your right) does not make that policy 'fascist'. The reason people voted to leave the EU was to restore democratic rights - the very opposite of what a true fascist would advocate.
“To restore democratic rights”……mmmmmmm
Looks like someone should remind this Government what that might mean!
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Stamping out polio and smallpox was so fascistic. :silly:
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Stamping out polio and smallpox was so fascistic. :silly:
I don’t think the conservatives became billionaires after Pollo and Smallpox……..but I dare say there’s a think tank looking at how best to introduce Spanish flu! ……lol
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As I say above it's not sometthing I particuarly agree with or think is necessary for this country but which fascist policy are you refering to Ldr?
The ones limiting political protest, restrictions on the ability to vote or placing political appointees to run the media and media regulator? I don't know of one fascist regime that introduced laws on vaccination - but all of them had laws on the above? Happy tto be enlightend tho?
You can't serve in the UK military unless you have compulsory vaccinations btw? Are they fascist?
All of the above Wilts, we have been sleep walking into this
Thanks Ldr. I hope you will excuse me from your allegations of sleep walking into it - as I have been pointing out the fascist moves of this Vote Leave government since Johnson beacme PM and normalised lying 2 years ago.
I would yes
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That thread banner should read:
“ DEALING WITH ANTI VAXXERS, SHOULD WE FOLLOW DYSONS LEAD”
sorry……I’m on strong meds at the mo!
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As I say above it's not sometthing I particuarly agree with or think is necessary for this country but which fascist policy are you refering to Ldr?
The ones limiting political protest, restrictions on the ability to vote or placing political appointees to run the media and media regulator? I don't know of one fascist regime that introduced laws on vaccination - but all of them had laws on the above? Happy tto be enlightend tho?
You can't serve in the UK military unless you have compulsory vaccinations btw? Are they fascist?
All of the above Wilts, we have been sleep walking into this
What's the alternative to trying to weed a virus out of the population, do nothing and let it run through everyone in the name of liberty. That is sleepwalking.
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Bless, you still think all this is about a virus
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Bless, you still think all this is about a virus
f**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?
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Bless, you still think all this is about a virus
f**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?
Put jew instead of unvaccinated and see if you are still comfortable with what’s going on
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Bless, you still think all this is about a virus
f**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?
Put jew instead of unvaccinated and see if you are still comfortable with what’s going on
They want the Jews to either become vaccinated or take a weekly test for Covid so to protect everyone and to hopefully root out a virus killing thousands?
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Bless, you still think all this is about a virus
f**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?
Are you saying you are not prepared to look beyond this insinuation?
People tend to wheel out the David Icke and Conspiracy angle when a nerve is touched……
Just out of interest and a genuine question to boot:
Where do you think this Virus originated and how?…….go on….have a go!
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Half the population are legally prevented from driving unless they pay out of their own pockets to have glass things put in front of their eyes.
Facism, ah tell thi!
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Bless, you still think all this is about a virus
f**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?
Are you saying you are not prepared to look beyond this insinuation?
People tend to wheel out the David Icke and Conspiracy angle when a nerve is touched……
Just out of interest and a genuine question to boot:
Where do you think this Virus originated and how?…….go on….have a go!
Potentially in a lab in Wuhan. Although, we may never know. The main point right now is killing the virus off.
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Train and tube drivers aren't allowed to work if they refuse to take random alcohol tests.
Sieg Heil.
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Bless, you still think all this is about a virus
f**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?
Are you saying you are not prepared to look beyond this insinuation?
People tend to wheel out the David Icke and Conspiracy angle when a nerve is touched……
Just out of interest and a genuine question to boot:
Where do you think this Virus originated and how?…….go on….have a go!
the brick shithouse in the corner at belle view?
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Bless, you still think all this is about a virus
f**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?
Put jew instead of unvaccinated and see if you are still comfortable with what’s going on
They want the Jews to either become vaccinated or take a weekly test for Covid so to protect everyone and to hopefully root out a virus killing thousands?
You’re happy with the concept of mandatory vaccinations and the segregation of society? You are happy with the march towards a medical apartheid? You’re happy with this in the name of a virus that most people don’t know they have unless tested? You’re happy with this in the face of the increased risks documented for teenagers, especially male teenagers? Ever asked yourself how they got away with their policies in Germany in the 30s? All you have to do is look in the mirror. Yes there is a virus killing people, no it is not as deadly as the perception people have is. The vast, vast majority of deaths were in people that had co-morbidities. I would wager that COVID alone has killed no more than 5k in the uk, the rest it’s broke the camels back, severe influenza can do the same. The measures far outweigh the problem which is why I object. Imagine going after a fly with a bazooka
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Bless, you still think all this is about a virus
f**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?
Are you saying you are not prepared to look beyond this insinuation?
People tend to wheel out the David Icke and Conspiracy angle when a nerve is touched……
Just out of interest and a genuine question to boot:
Where do you think this Virus originated and how?…….go on….have a go!
the brick shithouse in the corner at belle view?
Syd wins the internet today
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You would wager that COVID has killed no more than 5k in the UK.
So you continue to ignore the ONS who say that the average COVID death cut a life short by 10 years.
You ignore that and you accuse those who have taken this seriously of being fascist supporters! The irony. You are turning a blind eye to the thick end of 2 million life years being lost.
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Bless, you still think all this is about a virus
f**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?
Put jew instead of unvaccinated and see if you are still comfortable with what’s going on
They want the Jews to either become vaccinated or take a weekly test for Covid so to protect everyone and to hopefully root out a virus killing thousands?
You’re happy with the concept of mandatory vaccinations and the segregation of society? You are happy with the march towards a medical apartheid? You’re happy with this in the name of a virus that most people don’t know they have unless tested? You’re happy with this in the face of the increased risks documented for teenagers, especially male teenagers? Ever asked yourself how they got away with their policies in Germany in the 30s? All you have to do is look in the mirror. Yes there is a virus killing people, no it is not as deadly as the perception people have is. The vast, vast majority of deaths were in people that had co-morbidities. I would wager that COVID alone has killed no more than 5k in the uk, the rest it’s broke the camels back, severe influenza can do the same. The measures far outweigh the problem which is why I object. Imagine going after a fly with a bazooka
I'm not even going to reply to this post as you're clearly an idiot.
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Btw I am not anti vax having had both myself. I am very anti the draconian measures been enforced / proposed. I will never get a vaccine passport
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Bless, you still think all this is about a virus
f**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?
Put jew instead of unvaccinated and see if you are still comfortable with what’s going on
They want the Jews to either become vaccinated or take a weekly test for Covid so to protect everyone and to hopefully root out a virus killing thousands?
You’re happy with the concept of mandatory vaccinations and the segregation of society? You are happy with the march towards a medical apartheid? You’re happy with this in the name of a virus that most people don’t know they have unless tested? You’re happy with this in the face of the increased risks documented for teenagers, especially male teenagers? Ever asked yourself how they got away with their policies in Germany in the 30s? All you have to do is look in the mirror. Yes there is a virus killing people, no it is not as deadly as the perception people have is. The vast, vast majority of deaths were in people that had co-morbidities. I would wager that COVID alone has killed no more than 5k in the uk, the rest it’s broke the camels back, severe influenza can do the same. The measures far outweigh the problem which is why I object. Imagine going after a fly with a bazooka
I'm not even going to reply to this post as you're clearly an idiot.
Full of class as always DO
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Btw I am not anti vax having had both myself. I am very anti the draconian measures been enforced / proposed. I will never get a vaccine passport
Why did you get vaccinated for something that "only killed 5k people in the UK"?
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Btw I am not anti vax having had both myself. I am very anti the draconian measures been enforced / proposed. I will never get a vaccine passport
Why did you get vaccinated for something that "only killed 5k people in the UK"?
I have a suppressed immune system, so same reason I get the flu jab every year
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Bless, you still think all this is about a virus
f**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?
Are you saying you are not prepared to look beyond this insinuation?
People tend to wheel out the David Icke and Conspiracy angle when a nerve is touched……
Just out of interest and a genuine question to boot:
Where do you think this Virus originated and how?…….go on….have a go!
Potentially in a lab in Wuhan. Although, we may never know. The main point right now is killing the virus off.
All this tech, all this know how and the W.H.O… said “ move along please….nothing to see here”….
The main point is making sure those responsible for the first experiment don’t get away with there “ final solution” …..
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Bless, you still think all this is about a virus
f**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?
Put jew instead of unvaccinated and see if you are still comfortable with what’s going on
They want the Jews to either become vaccinated or take a weekly test for Covid so to protect everyone and to hopefully root out a virus killing thousands?
You’re happy with the concept of mandatory vaccinations and the segregation of society? You are happy with the march towards a medical apartheid? You’re happy with this in the name of a virus that most people don’t know they have unless tested? You’re happy with this in the face of the increased risks documented for teenagers, especially male teenagers? Ever asked yourself how they got away with their policies in Germany in the 30s? All you have to do is look in the mirror. Yes there is a virus killing people, no it is not as deadly as the perception people have is. The vast, vast majority of deaths were in people that had co-morbidities. I would wager that COVID alone has killed no more than 5k in the uk, the rest it’s broke the camels back, severe influenza can do the same. The measures far outweigh the problem which is why I object. Imagine going after a fly with a bazooka
I'm not even going to reply to this post as you're clearly an idiot.
Full of class as always DO
Read your post. It's you who lacks class. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who has lost family members to Covid and why they wouldn't want to respond to such a ridiculous post...
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The co-morbidities argument is a disgusting smokescreen for justifying premature deaths by people who think being asked to wear a mask is a symbol of totalitarianism.
My mother has high blood pressure and has had a heart attack. She's 80 but is otherwise in excellent health. She's active in her community and church. She regularly sees her grandkids. She drives. She travels. She reads widely. She visits friends. There is no reason why she shouldn't have decent health and quality of life for several years to come.
But she has co-morbidities. If she died of COVID tomorrow, you, Ldr would say she was just low hanging fruit.
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The co-morbidities argument is a disgusting smokescreen for justifying premature deaths by people who think being asked to wear a mask is a symbol of totalitarianism.
My mother has high blood pressure and has had a heart attack. She's 80 but is otherwise in excellent health. She's active in her community and church. She regularly sees her grandkids. There is no reason why she shouldn't have decent health for several years to come.
But she has co-morbidities. If she died of COVID tomorrow, you, Ldrwould sat she was just low hanging fruit.
Statistically I’d stand by that, I don’t judge things like this emotionally. In my line of work It would be hard if emotion clouded judgement
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Bless, you still think all this is about a virus
f**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?
Put jew instead of unvaccinated and see if you are still comfortable with what’s going on
They want the Jews to either become vaccinated or take a weekly test for Covid so to protect everyone and to hopefully root out a virus killing thousands?
You’re happy with the concept of mandatory vaccinations and the segregation of society? You are happy with the march towards a medical apartheid? You’re happy with this in the name of a virus that most people don’t know they have unless tested? You’re happy with this in the face of the increased risks documented for teenagers, especially male teenagers? Ever asked yourself how they got away with their policies in Germany in the 30s? All you have to do is look in the mirror. Yes there is a virus killing people, no it is not as deadly as the perception people have is. The vast, vast majority of deaths were in people that had co-morbidities. I would wager that COVID alone has killed no more than 5k in the uk, the rest it’s broke the camels back, severe influenza can do the same. The measures far outweigh the problem which is why I object. Imagine going after a fly with a bazooka
I'm not even going to reply to this post as you're clearly an idiot.
Full of class as always DO
Read your post. It's you who lacks class. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who has lost family members to Covid and why they wouldn't want to respond to such a ridiculous post...
Sorry for your loss DO but when it comes down to things like this I have to leave emotion at the door, it clouds judgement
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10 life years per death.
10 years. There's a statistic for you.
Your argument is that 160k+ people each losing ten years off their lives is just one if those things.
Harold Shipman on steroids.
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You would wager that COVID has killed no more than 5k in the UK.
So you continue to ignore the ONS who say that the average COVID death cut a life short by 10 years.
You ignore that and you accuse those who have taken this seriously of being fascist supporters! The irony. You are turning a blind eye to the thick end of 2 million life years being lost.
BST, I don’t believe that a clearly intelligent person like yourself would trust the O.N.S as a valued means of information that can never truly be validated….
Surely the W.H.O who U turned on their investigation in Wuhan set the old gray bauble whirring…….
It’s impossible to not know the source of a Pandemic !
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Ldr.
You also appear to leave any sense of moral responsibility at the door. And any sense of proper assessment of the statistics come to that.
Here's a thought. When my mother had her heart attack last year, why didn't the NHS just shoo her away off home to die? After all, the cost of treating her cannot be justified by the economic output she will produce in her remaining years. That is the logical conclusion of your approach.
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10 life years per death.
10 years. There's a statistic for you.
Your argument is that 160k+ people each losing ten years off their lives is just one if those things.
Harold Shipman on steroids.
BST I respect your opinion and passion but refer you to the emotional comment above
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Ldr.
You also appear to leave any sense of moral responsibility at the door. And any sense of proper assessment of the statistics come to that.
Here's a thought. When my mother had her heart attack last year, why didn't the NHS just shoo her away off home to die? After all, the cost of treating her cannot be justified by the economic output she will produce in her remaining years. That is the logical conclusion of your approach.
At no stage have I mentioned economics so that’s not a valid argument at all
Though I can see your point I would disagree with it
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Sha66y.
Stick to your racist trolling abuse of people with a background like my wife and kids. It's revolting but at least you're in your own cess pit of one there. Leave grown up discussions to grown ups.
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Ldr.
Your entire point is based on the worth of 10 years of old life against the cost of action to save that life.
You by your own words have said that the "cost" of free requiring unvaccinated people to take weekly tests is not worth the benefit. The step from there to society believing that the economic cost of action to save an 80 year old's live is tiny.
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Ldr.
Your entire point is based on the worth of 10 years of old life against the cost of action to save that life.
You by your own words have said that the "cost" of free requiring unvaccinated people to take weekly tests is not worth the benefit. The step from there to society believing that the economic cost of action to save an 80 year old's live is tiny.
BST I have no issue for people to get vaccinated if they choose. I have issue with people being forced to do so. I have issue with people who choose not to get vaccinated beginning to be looked at as an underclass and to be segregated. If you want to go down the rabbit hole of this 10 years figure then yes. I would say the quality of life you MAY deprive a teenager if for the rest of their life is an action not worth it so someone elderly MAY live 10 more years. Taking emotion aside that is the logic of it. Yes there are a lot of ifs and mays there but that’s what it boils down to, sacrificing the young to save the elderly in that scenario. Coercion is never the answer you know that. I do see your point of view btw
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Sha66y.
Stick to your racist trolling abuse of people with a background like my wife and kids. It's revolting but at least you're in your own cess pit of one there. Leave grown up discussions to grown ups.
Oh dear …bless the sage!
You actually can’t answer that question about the origins of the Wuhan flu?
So you blow off a tirade , which at least brought a smile …..
And how was I to know your wife and kids are racist trolls?…..you only just mentioned it!
I never could work out how a self imposed educational Wiki-Google guy could be rattled……but this “Wuhan flu origins” question seems to have you running for cover…
This is your “shit or get off the pot” moment ………….or just ignore it and see how your credibility sits!
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No one is being forced to be vaccinated. In the case of the US you can remain unvaccinated but provide a recent negative test.
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No one is being forced to be vaccinated. In the case of the US you can remain unvaccinated but provide a recent negative test.
By HAVING to provide a recent negative test is still a civil liberties thing surely….?
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The co-morbidities argument is a disgusting smokescreen for justifying premature deaths by people who think being asked to wear a mask is a symbol of totalitarianism.
My mother has high blood pressure and has had a heart attack. She's 80 but is otherwise in excellent health. She's active in her community and church. She regularly sees her grandkids. She drives. She travels. She reads widely. She visits friends. There is no reason why she shouldn't have decent health and quality of life for several years to come.
But she has co-morbidities. If she died of COVID tomorrow, you, Ldr would say she was just low hanging fruit.
Your mother sounds like a wonderful person, BST. My mother had all the ailments in the world, but still lived while she was 91.
Keep the faith, mate.
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Governments enact laws that protect the well-being of their citizens. Any law restricts 'rights'. The electorate, if they don't like these laws, can vote out the Government at the next election.
It's illegal to drive a car on a public road in this country without insurance. Fascism?
It's illegal to drive a motor vehicle with a certain level of alcohol in your system. Fascism?
Requiring all workers to be vaccinated OR take a weekly test against Covid. Fascism?
Emphatically NO - it's a basic Governmental duty of care to the people, which can be challenged democratically should you disagree.
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You would wager that COVID has killed no more than 5k in the UK.
So you continue to ignore the ONS who say that the average COVID death cut a life short by 10 years.
You ignore that and you accuse those who have taken this seriously of being fascist supporters! The irony. You are turning a blind eye to the thick end of 2 million life years being lost.
BST, I don’t believe that a clearly intelligent person like yourself would trust the O.N.S as a valued means of information that can never truly be validated….
Surely the W.H.O who U turned on their investigation in Wuhan set the old gray bauble whirring…….
It’s impossible to not know the source of a Pandemic !
Really? So where did the post-WW1 flu pandemic and Hong Kong Flu pandemic originate from? I'm sure the world's scientific community would love to know at long last.
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You would wager that COVID has killed no more than 5k in the UK.
So you continue to ignore the ONS who say that the average COVID death cut a life short by 10 years.
You ignore that and you accuse those who have taken this seriously of being fascist supporters! The irony. You are turning a blind eye to the thick end of 2 million life years being lost.
BST, I don’t believe that a clearly intelligent person like yourself would trust the O.N.S as a valued means of information that can never truly be validated….
Surely the W.H.O who U turned on their investigation in Wuhan set the old gray bauble whirring…….
It’s impossible to not know the source of a Pandemic !
Really? So where did the post-WW1 flu pandemic and Hong Kong Flu pandemic originate from? I'm sure the world's scientific community would love to know at long last.
I thought you would have known I was referring to the modern day,
with all our organisations and disease control measures plus the technology!
Maybe I should have worded the last line a little clearer and not expected too much?
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You would wager that COVID has killed no more than 5k in the UK.
So you continue to ignore the ONS who say that the average COVID death cut a life short by 10 years.
You ignore that and you accuse those who have taken this seriously of being fascist supporters! The irony. You are turning a blind eye to the thick end of 2 million life years being lost.
BST, I don’t believe that a clearly intelligent person like yourself would trust the O.N.S as a valued means of information that can never truly be validated….
Surely the W.H.O who U turned on their investigation in Wuhan set the old gray bauble whirring…….
It’s impossible to not know the source of a Pandemic !
Really? So where did the post-WW1 flu pandemic and Hong Kong Flu pandemic originate from? I'm sure the world's scientific community would love to know at long last.
I thought you would have known I was referring to the modern day,
with all our organisations and disease control measures plus the technology!
Maybe I should have worded the last line a little clearer and not expected too much?
Hong Kong flu was 1968, so when does 'the modern day' start? Does it include SARS in 2003? H1N1 in 2009? Ebola in 2015?
Perhaps you should have worded that last line not to say something is impossible when you have no idea whether it's true or not?
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You would wager that COVID has killed no more than 5k in the UK.
So you continue to ignore the ONS who say that the average COVID death cut a life short by 10 years.
You ignore that and you accuse those who have taken this seriously of being fascist supporters! The irony. You are turning a blind eye to the thick end of 2 million life years being lost.
BST, I don’t believe that a clearly intelligent person like yourself would trust the O.N.S as a valued means of information that can never truly be validated….
Surely the W.H.O who U turned on their investigation in Wuhan set the old gray bauble whirring…….
It’s impossible to not know the source of a Pandemic !
Really? So where did the post-WW1 flu pandemic and Hong Kong Flu pandemic originate from? I'm sure the world's scientific community would love to know at long last.
I thought you would have known I was referring to the modern day,
with all our organisations and disease control measures plus the technology!
Maybe I should have worded the last line a little clearer and not expected too much?
Hong Kong flu was 1968, so when does 'the modern day' start? Does it include SARS in 2003? H1N1 in 2009? Ebola in 2015?
Perhaps you should have worded that last line not to say something is impossible when you have no idea whether it's true or not?
I was thinking natural not man made ……but a question to you Glyn …
Where do you think COVID-19 originated?
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You would wager that COVID has killed no more than 5k in the UK.
So you continue to ignore the ONS who say that the average COVID death cut a life short by 10 years.
You ignore that and you accuse those who have taken this seriously of being fascist supporters! The irony. You are turning a blind eye to the thick end of 2 million life years being lost.
BST, I don’t believe that a clearly intelligent person like yourself would trust the O.N.S as a valued means of information that can never truly be validated….
Surely the W.H.O who U turned on their investigation in Wuhan set the old gray bauble whirring…….
It’s impossible to not know the source of a Pandemic !
Really? So where did the post-WW1 flu pandemic and Hong Kong Flu pandemic originate from? I'm sure the world's scientific community would love to know at long last.
I thought you would have known I was referring to the modern day,
with all our organisations and disease control measures plus the technology!
Maybe I should have worded the last line a little clearer and not expected too much?
Hong Kong flu was 1968, so when does 'the modern day' start? Does it include SARS in 2003? H1N1 in 2009? Ebola in 2015?
Perhaps you should have worded that last line not to say something is impossible when you have no idea whether it's true or not?
I was thinking natural not man made ……but a question to you Glyn …
Where do you think COVID-19 originated?
1. I don't know.
2. My opinion about it is just as irrelevant as yours.
PS First case identification is not the same as origin.
Now I've answered your question, are you going to answer mine this time instead of ignoring it - when do you think 'the modern day' starts, and on what basis do you delineate that date?
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You would wager that COVID has killed no more than 5k in the UK.
So you continue to ignore the ONS who say that the average COVID death cut a life short by 10 years.
You ignore that and you accuse those who have taken this seriously of being fascist supporters! The irony. You are turning a blind eye to the thick end of 2 million life years being lost.
BST, I don’t believe that a clearly intelligent person like yourself would trust the O.N.S as a valued means of information that can never truly be validated….
Surely the W.H.O who U turned on their investigation in Wuhan set the old gray bauble whirring…….
It’s impossible to not know the source of a Pandemic !
Really? So where did the post-WW1 flu pandemic and Hong Kong Flu pandemic originate from? I'm sure the world's scientific community would love to know at long last.
I thought you would have known I was referring to the modern day,
with all our organisations and disease control measures plus the technology!
Maybe I should have worded the last line a little clearer and not expected too much?
Hong Kong flu was 1968, so when does 'the modern day' start? Does it include SARS in 2003? H1N1 in 2009? Ebola in 2015?
Perhaps you should have worded that last line not to say something is impossible when you have no idea whether it's true or not?
I was thinking natural not man made ……but a question to you Glyn …
Where do you think COVID-19 originated?
1. I don't know.
2. My opinion about it is just as irrelevant as yours.
PS First case identification is not the same as origin.
Now I've answered your question, are you going to answer mine this time instead of ignoring it - when do you think 'the modern day' starts, and on what basis do you delineate that date?
In my opinion the modern day is still in transition Glyn,
I believe it started when the MSM groups not only took off, but other groups like Governments realised there was a way to get information out there quickly without going through a lot of ratification BS, and could get support for a negative action very quickly without ever having to step in front of a camera to explain it….
Regarding COVID-19 I do have a theory of my own that I jumped to quite quickly without the aid of Wiki or Google,
and your answers have only underlined my initial reaction to how a virus can have 2 points of impact yet be very far apart, and how because of this distance it was inevitable that that route would be a route for contagion…
I know the Genie is out the bottle and can never go back, I just hope that first one was the worst one and the others can be caught by their big toe and stuffed back in, and not sold to the highest bidder….( but that’s tip toeing far to close to conspiracy theorist for my liking….
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My 90 year old Mum has been just been diagnosed with Covid. She's been double jabbed which I guess is why, instead of being in hospital on a ventilator, she's stood at the back door having a fag.
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My 90 year old Mum has been just been diagnosed with Covid. She's been double jabbed which I guess is why, instead of being in hospital on a ventilator, she's stood at the back door having a fag.
That could be my mam from in Denaby!
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In my opinion the modern day is still in transition Glyn,
Nebulous waffle.
When you said 'I thought you would have known I was referring to the modern day', when the hell were you expecting me and anybody else to think you were talking about?
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In my opinion the modern day is still in transition Glyn,
Nebulous waffle.
When you said 'I thought you would have known I was referring to the modern day', when the hell were you expecting me and anybody else to think you were talking about?
It’s clear that for a decade maybe a tad longer tech has accelerated dramatically, and I mean super accelerated
Nebulous waffle indeed, ya just another unoriginal mouthpiece decaying up the place!