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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on September 29, 2021, 08:17:16 am
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Where to start with this one after last night's game? that was a real dose of realism for everyone, I tend to be one of the happy clappers so called, but that was a very hard watch for anyone who supports this club. Last season really was the pits for me, the Covid situation the fact that I saw players with ability throw the towel in, not being able to actually go to games, and a manager who just did an exit stage left at the critical point of the season, how much worse could it get?
The one positive last night was in my mind we never stopped trying, the worrying thing was that even with the effort we were brushed aside, were no way good enough individually or as a team, and had no shape or tactics of note to even do a damage limitation job during the game, it was men against boys on the night and a fear that we have more to come.
I am more realistic actually than people give me credit for, even the best of sides have about four games a season when they play awful compared with the standards they set over a season, have results that are a complete surprise to everyone with no explanation for the reason why, I am hoping the Rotherham and Ipswich games are two of them and not the norm, we should be better than that no matter what, but the fact that we didn't to my mind stop trying to close players down and didn't lack energy is even more worrying, we just were not good enough.
Another display like that on Saturday v MK Dons would really set the alarm bells ringing, basically there is very little we can do about changes in personnel having no u23s back up, doing away with that being in my mind the single worst decision this club has made over the last few years, stopping any development of our own younger players at a time when the u18s and the u16s of that year won their academy leagues at national level and the players concerned immediately hit the buffers and were let go, for us to replace them with other teams cast offs.
Would you pick the same team?surprisingly to a lot of people I suppose I would
Are you going to the game?
Do you see any light at all at the end of the tunnel?
We look to be in the doo doo can we get out of it?
Lots to discuss about this game, and about where and how the club can put things right, please have your say
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Unfortunately going to the game. Expect a 3/4-0 loss. :(
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DO, I am hoping you are wrong as most supporters will do, but unfortunately you could well be right, lifting the moral, and organising the team is going to be a very big job for the management team, and will be watched by many, especially on here who are already judging Richie's ability to lift and organise his players into a cohesive unit, one thing that we were not last night.
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DO, I am hoping you are wrong as most supporters will do, but unfortunately you could well be right, lifting the moral, and organising the team is going to be a very big job for the management team, and will be watched by many, especially on here who are already judging Richie's ability to lift and organise his players into a cohesive unit, one thing that we were not last night.
Brian we were outnumbered in midfield last night. Gardener is not good enough, Smith too lightweight and Ben Close out of position as a holding midfielder.
We were out run and out fought.
Galbraith missing was massive. Not making excuses but without our best team we are short, and it showed.
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MK Dons have not failed to score in a league game this season. Amongst their tally are 3 at Bolton, 4 at Gillingham and another 3 last night at home to Fleetwood. Along with a number of 2's.
They lie in 3rd place, 3 points off top spot and have only lost to Sunderland. Who are top.
I cannot see any reason to suggest that we won't be comprehensively beaten on Saturday.
Sadly, i expect defeat however, i expect also to see a vastly improved performance in terms of aggression, energy and fight. I also want to see us trouble their goalkeeper on multiple occasions.
If not, then Richie no longer has my support.
If we can put in a real performance to be proud of but fail to win then i can accept that. That will show a proper response to last nights debacle and also prove that if we can play that way against the poorer sides in the division then we can pick up wins.
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CDH, spot on
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The best footballer on the club's books now has responsibility for helping the squad develop a strong and positive mentality.
He'll be busy today.
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The best footballer on the club's books now has responsibility for helping the squad develop a strong and positive mentality.
He'll be busy today.
Is James Coppinger getting more involved then, Pancho?.
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Like many I don’t see a win at all, and a point at this moment looks like the best we can aim for,
however that would take a lot of energy and physicality to achieve, so I’m going to stick with my original train of thought……
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DO, I am hoping you are wrong as most supporters will do, but unfortunately you could well be right, lifting the moral, and organising the team is going to be a very big job for the management team, and will be watched by many, especially on here who are already judging Richie's ability to lift and organise his players into a cohesive unit, one thing that we were not last night.
Brian we were outnumbered in midfield last night. Gardener is not good enough, Smith too lightweight and Ben Close out of position as a holding midfielder.
We were out run and out fought.
Galbraith missing was massive. Not making excuses but without our best team we are short, and it showed.
I don’t like to criticise individuals but Gardner just doesn’t look like a footballer to me, I can’t believe he’s had the career he’s had, don’t know if his confidence is shot or his legs have gone early. Smith must have something in his locker to be a pro at Arsenal but he’s hiding it well! Is Galbraith likely to feature Saturday?
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Put it this way, if they score first we won’t win. What evidence is there to suggest we will score either at least 2 to win, or prevent them from scoring another couple?
It would take a massive shift in mentality and momentum to get anything from this game. 1-3 would be my prediction
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I said on another thread stop playing 433 midfield is to open and we haven’t got the players. Start Saturday 4231 we could play 352 but we haven’t got a balanced 3 centre halves no naturally left footed. Let’s hope Galbraith is available and Bostock just to sit in front of the back four.
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As previously mentioned, they are free-scoring and sit third in the league, high on confidence.
Just listened to Wellens' interview from Radio Sheffield last night; I have no doubt he is a fighter as he was a tenacious CM. I do understand how he's trying to play and what he's trying to implement, but is he good enough a manager to get it across to the players?
He said in the interview, this is his worst spell as a manager; time to earn your money.
Also, the players are knackered and there is probably 5 or 6 players in the squad currently deserving of a Starting XI place.
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For the love of God Richie
DO NOT START THIS GAME WITH CUKUR!!
I've seen more mobile Walruses than this guy and more aggression in Christopher Biggins.
He has no footballing ability. He runs like he's nearing the finishing line at the London Marathon, and that's from kick off.
He wins about 1 challenge with a defender for every 10. He cannot head the ball and he's as robust as an 90 year old in an old people's home.
The reason why you are crap and struggling Richie is that you keep playing players who are also crap and struggling but for some reason you fail to realise it.
May as well start with 10 men if Cukur starts on Saturday.
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Good grief ....is it worth going ?
One positive is people have picked my PvO for me but no one will catch Idler and Selby looking to finish with under 10 points. :( :(
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We are hoping for a late rally and a winning run in Wolfie, I cannot bring myself to put LOSE. where the Rovers are concerned.
Will we bounce back at the weekend and give me a point for my win prediction or will Richie come under even more pressure with another poor display and result? Its a good question.
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Max Waters is at MK not sure he starts often but had scored a few and it’s the type of game where he’d be nailed on to score against us. They pass the ball well so we’ll need to have some organisation and get behind the ball and hope we can hit them on the counter attack.
I’d play Horton left back and go 5 in midfield with Rowe one of the central 3. Hiwula & seaman out wide and Dodoo up top. Don’t think Cukur should get near the 11. Oluwu should start also in place of Williams
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I just want us to show some bottle on Saturday. If not I sit quite close to the tunnel with a fairly loud voice and will be dishing out some bas**rd for any half arsed performances.
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Anyone think Bogle could come back into contention? Needs something different up top and not Cukur… I don’t think Dodoo is a number 9 and until Fej is back, Bogle is the next best thing IMO… Or has too much water gone under the bridge
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Anyone think Bogle could come back into contention? Needs something different up top and not Cukur… I don’t think Dodoo is a number 9 and until Fej is back, Bogle is the next best thing IMO… Or has too much water gone under the bridge
There’s more chance of Bogle being player manager !!
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Anyone think Bogle could come back into contention? Needs something different up top and not Cukur… I don’t think Dodoo is a number 9 and until Fej is back, Bogle is the next best thing IMO… Or has too much water gone under the bridge
To now play bogle now would make last nights capitulation look tame.
RW would lose a lot of face with players and some supporters if he played him now. The simple question would be asked, if now , then why not then?
No, I believe RW has made his bed on this one. Bogle will be gone though at the earliest available opportunity.
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This game is massive in terms of us seeing how the players will respond to Tuesday night, hopefully Wellens hasn’t had to say too much about the performance because the experienced players should be doing everything they can to help the younger ones out and get a good performance and result on Saturday.
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Anyone think Bogle could come back into contention? Needs something different up top and not Cukur… I don’t think Dodoo is a number 9 and until Fej is back, Bogle is the next best thing IMO… Or has too much water gone under the bridge
The trouble is Fej is not a natural no 9 either. He is not good at holding the ball up with back to goal.
That is not his natural game as we saw last season.
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Good grief ....is it worth going ?
One positive is people have picked my PvO for me but no one will catch Idler and Selby looking to finish with under 10 points. :( :(
See you Saturday Wolfie :-)
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Play 4-5-1 for me, swamp midfield to try and stop them playing.
I’m just hoping Galbraith and Bostock are fit to play, if so then
Dahlberg
Knoyle Owolu Anderson Horton
Seaman Close Bostock Galbraith Rowe
Dodoo
Rowe has to play further forward he’s our only goal threat
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Good grief ....is it worth going ?
One positive is people have picked my PvO for me but no one will catch Idler and Selby looking to finish with under 10 points. :( :(
See you Saturday Wolfie :-)
I'll watch for your phone and save you the run back :evil: :scarf:
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Lineup id go with is:
Dahlberg
Knoyle Olowu Anderson Rowe
Galbraith Bostock (smith if not fit)
Seaman Close Hiwula
Dodoo
Williams hasn’t impressed so far imo and from what I’ve seen of Olowu so far he looks like a really good addition. Defo missed Galbraith in midfield on Tuesday and I think adding Bostock in there we may be able to keep hold of the ball better. Can’t see anything other than a defeat but hopefully im wrong.
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However Richie sets up the side it’s Twine we need to mark. He’s the leading goal scorer and assist maker. He either plays just behind a single striker or two strikers. They play 3 at the back and either 5 or 4 in midfield with Twine infront of them then one or two strikers.
We must set up with us hard to beat. Dependant which midfield players are fit.
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I said on another thread stop playing 433 midfield is to open and we haven’t got the players. Start Saturday 4231 we could play 352 but we haven’t got a balanced 3 centre halves no naturally left footed. Let’s hope Galbraith is available and Bostock just to sit in front of the back four.
We played 3-5-2 for most of the second half.
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The only thing I can think about Saturday's game is, can I be really arsed to go?
The fact I'm a season ticket holder, the thought of driving from Scarborough to Donny and back in 50mph winds and pissing rain is hardly worth contemplating.
No doubt we'll win then!
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Given the way we are performing , thats a tough "ask" - even though you have paid already
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Do you really think that they never stopped trying at Ipswich Selby?
I though that they were OK until the first goal, possibly it was not until after the second that they lost confidence, but it is was my impression that the effort diminished progressively as the score mounted up.
I though that it was implicit in Wellens reaction at the end that the response of the whole team had been unacceptable.
I felt that, and I have not detected in any of the comments on here that anyone really thought we had put up a proper fight.
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We were not good enough, a lot different to not trying, last season lots of players we had had more ability, they stopped trying, on Tuesday we chased the ball but were two yards off the pace of better players for the first time this season playing well as a team and were going to revel in the fact they were different class and dispel the doubts of their own teams supporters in themselves and the manager which was building before the game.
It was going to happen to someone and fate decided us, we will be unlucky to drop on many sides in this division who will hit the level of their performance last Tuesday in pure football terms.
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Putting aside our different opinions of the board and manager all those wavering about going Saturday i hope they go.
The way i see it the next 8-10 games will define our season.We are playing teams in the bottom half. It's imperative that us fans put our big boy pants on and get down the moat and try and lift that side and manager who are bereft of confidence and try and turn this around. It's all giggles when things are going well but i'm hoping that we as fans really get behind them this Saturday.
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Yep, I’ll be there cheering them on, can only go up the table, for now anyway.
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If they really are trying Selby, yet are not good enough, there seems little hope!
I think I’d prefer to believe that they would be better if they exerted themselves more.
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However Richie sets up the side it’s Twine we need to mark. He’s the leading goal scorer and assist maker. He either plays just behind a single striker or two strikers. They play 3 at the back and either 5 or 4 in midfield with Twine infront of them then one or two strikers.
We must set up with us hard to beat. Dependant which midfield players are fit.
Just need that DM enforcer then, oh....
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However Richie sets up the side it’s Twine we need to mark. He’s the leading goal scorer and assist maker. He either plays just behind a single striker or two strikers. They play 3 at the back and either 5 or 4 in midfield with Twine infront of them then one or two strikers.
We must set up with us hard to beat. Dependant which midfield players are fit.
Just need that DM enforcer then, oh....
Yes we do but the player we need is either not available or not available for the money we can afford otherwise we would have got him.
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Just read on Twitter from Paul Goodwin that Anderson is doubtful this weekend and Olowu is ruled out because of concussion from Ipswich game. Galbraith and Bostock have recovered from illness and are available.
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Unfortunately going to the game. Expect a 3/4-0 loss. :(
if we lose by that score i think wellens will go
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I think we’ve all got concussion after Tuesday. Don’t remember Olowu having any head injury through the game !!
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I think we’ve all got concussion after Tuesday. Don’t remember Olowu having any head injury through the game !!
maybe it was after the game, during the debrief :whistle:
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I think we’ve all got concussion after Tuesday. Don’t remember Olowu having any head injury through the game !!
According to Richie Anderson and Olowu both had head blows 62 mins for Tom and Olowu soon after. It’s touch and go with Tom but Olowu failed all the protocol head concussion tests. The team have been class and worked together this week. Richie says him and the team will work hard to get things right. He’s looking in 15 game blocks at what points the team needs. He’s says Taylor and John will definitely be back after the international break.
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Another big blow that if they are both out Steve, we could do with a bit of luck in the injury department at the moment we just seem to be staggering from injury to injury, it will be a hard enough game without the handicaps we seem to be carrying all the time.
I am hoping that we can steady the ship and put on something like a decent show for the fans, myself included, and the injection of confidence a win would bring to the players and the management who could sorely do with it.
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I've never seen young Ben Blythe play. Apparently he's very promising.
This could be his big chance tomorrow. I'd love to see him have a blinder. Having said that, he's likely to be hampered having Williams at the side of him.
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Big game today. We need to see a reaction.
Yes we need a win although a draw would be decent against a team scoring for fun at the moment.
The most important thing for me though is the performance and how we react to Tuesdays defeat at Ipswich.
Hopefully the performance will give us the required result but if it does not, then we have games coming up which we can but will have to win.
On my way now. Come on the Rovers :that: :rtid:
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I have a feeling Williams will play really well today, he has something to prove, as do the rest of the squad.
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Tom Anderson starts. Cukur dropped.
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Mk 71% possession in first half.
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Mk 71% possession in first half.
MK 33% of goals at full time.
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Huge huge huge win.I don’t care they had 75% possession. That’s a very very big 3 points.
Onwards and upwards.
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Great start to October’s fixtures and something for us to build on
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The 6 points from cut off is now down to just three. With a game in hand on shrews, Crewe and charlton.
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For the love of God Richie
DO NOT START THIS GAME WITH CUKUR!!
I've seen more mobile Walruses than this guy and more aggression in Christopher Biggins.
He has no footballing ability. He runs like he's nearing the finishing line at the London Marathon, and that's from kick off.
He wins about 1 challenge with a defender for every 10. He cannot head the ball and he's as robust as an 90 year old in an old people's home.
The reason why you are crap and struggling Richie is that you keep playing players who are also crap and struggling but for some reason you fail to realise it.
May as well start with 10 men if Cukur starts on Saturday.
Is it okay to bring him off the bench though?
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It’s a real shame the Crewe game if off.
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Bostock my MOTM but a few lads did well today.
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This thread, particularly the first dozen remarks makes for very satisfying reading now.
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We’ll done today guys, pleased for you, that was a good win and one you needed the way other results went.
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Fantastic win for us today! Huge credit to everyone for showing the character to bounce back after Tuesday.
As for MK Dons. Yet another set of fans with zero original songs / chants. Impressively loud for a small number of dedicated fans but songs sooooooooo predictable. Why don't fans make up clever songs anymore? They are all generic dogshite. A bit like modern day chart music. :cool:
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Bostock my MOTM but a few lads did well today.
Are you serious. I thought he did very little as usual.
Galbraith and Close did all the work in midfield and i think after Ben Close had a stinker on Tuesday he would be my man of match today.
Showed what a good player he is today and why RW made him his first signing.
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Songs - only heard one all the way through, yes they had a bit of volume but boring
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Bostock my MOTM but a few lads did well today.
Are you serious. I thought he did very little as usual.
Galbraith and Close did all the work in midfield and i think after Ben Close had a stinker on Tuesday he would be my man of match today.
Showed what a good player he is today and why RW made him his first signing.
Between those two for me too Campsall, however I went for Galbraith
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Massive result today.
Just shows possession counts for nothing if you score less than the opposition.
We dug in and showed the character needed after that humiliation on Tuesday.
Now we need to carry that forward to the next game and beyond.
If we do we will be fine.
That was not a bottom 4 team I saw out there today. :thumbsup:
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I thought Bostock had a good game too, got lots of tackles in and broke up play well, all 3 central midfielders did well. We were exposed on the flanks, Vilca went missing for large parts of the first half and Hiwula did not impress until he set up the winner, thought Dodoo did well won lots of headers we just need to get him some support picking up the second balls. But a much improved display.
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For the love of God Richie
DO NOT START THIS GAME WITH CUKUR!!
I've seen more mobile Walruses than this guy and more aggression in Christopher Biggins.
He has no footballing ability. He runs like he's nearing the finishing line at the London Marathon, and that's from kick off.
He wins about 1 challenge with a defender for every 10. He cannot head the ball and he's as robust as an 90 year old in an old people's home.
The reason why you are crap and struggling Richie is that you keep playing players who are also crap and struggling but for some reason you fail to realise it.
May as well start with 10 men if Cukur starts on Saturday.
Is it okay to bring him off the bench though?
So long as he scores, yeah. ;)
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The game could have been so different if we had had the luck with the two that hit the post in the first quarter of the game had they gone in, the keeper was dead in the water we were very unlucky.
I also like them thought we should have had a penalty in the first half which was given outside the box when to me both were inside the box.
Basically with a bit of luck we could have been four up early doors, whether we deserved to be is a different conversation but could have happened.
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Really could do without Crewe games been called off now if we could play that (with our international player in the team) we'd have a chance to build some momentum. Which we badly need.
Hoped we had some after Morcombe and Man City U21s but then we lost and got spanked.
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It is what it is sedwardsdrfc I would also prefer to try and keep the momentum going but at least the break could benefit our long term injured and the squad strength shortly.
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Yes if we can start Taylor, Fej and Olowu in the rearranged fixture it'll be a good cancellation in theory
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All in all a great result for the club and the supporters, and especially for all the management team who were starting to come under a bit if pressure.
There certainly didn't look to be anything wrong with the players effort and support for the management today, more wins like this and things will look a lot more settled and the club can move forward, a long run af good results and Hull and Sheffield Wednesday will be sniffing around no doubt.
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Did Richie get a touchline ban for today's game?
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All in all a great result for the club and the supporters, and especially for all the management team who were starting to come under a bit if pressure.
There certainly didn't look to be anything wrong with the players effort and support for the management today, more wins like this and things will look a lot more settled and the club can move forward, a long run af good results and Hull and Sheffield Wednesday will be sniffing around no doubt.
Not be long Brian before Wednesday will be looking for a new manager. The natives in S6 are getting very restless.
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Did Richie get a touchline ban for today's game?
He did. Sent off v Plymouth. He did venture into the technical box a few times today so not sure if he'll get pulled for that.
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Did Richie get a touchline ban for today's game?
Don’t think so yet, he got a charge and has while Monday to respond I believe
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Did Richie get a touchline ban for today's game?
He did. Sent off v Plymouth. He did venture into the technical box a few times today so not sure if he'll get pulled for that.
I stand corrected
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Like many I don’t see a win at all, and a point at this moment looks like the best we can aim for,
however that would take a lot of energy and physicality to achieve, so I’m going to stick with my original train of thought……
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How Shabby does that forecast look now.
And by ‘the many’ I don’t & never will fit into that category, in fact, I’ll throw a quote in there for you to staple onto your hot tub….
´Never………has so much been owed by so many to so few’.
RTID
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I know given that formation you forecast you must feel such a fool tonight that you can’t bring yourself to admit it so I know you will ´appreciate’ someone doing it for you…….
´My ´name’ is since-1969 & I am a fool’.
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Like many I don’t see a win at all, and a point at this moment looks like the best we can aim for,
however that would take a lot of energy and physicality to achieve, so I’m going to stick with my original train of thought……
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How Shabby does that forecast look now.
And by ‘the many’ I don’t & never will fit into that category, in fact, I’ll throw a quote in there for you to staple onto your hot tub….
´Never………has so much been owed by so many to so few’.
RTID
The team obviously upped their game, that’s why we won!
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Did Richie get a touchline ban for today's game?
He did. Sent off v Plymouth. He did venture into the technical box a few times today so not sure if he'll get pulled for that.
I stand corrected
Actually - I've just listened to Richies post match interview and he said he wasn't banned. Think he just chose to take a back seat.
It worked!
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Great win, we were lucky and unlucky, only saw the highlights but we hit the post twice in the first half and on another day we could have have a pen awarded against us.
There were some good build ups and combinations, lots of enthusiasm.
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Did Richie get a touchline ban for today's game?
He did. Sent off v Plymouth. He did venture into the technical box a few times today so not sure if he'll get pulled for that.
I thought he must have been in the stands but then he popped on the touchline
I think he was making a conscious effort to not get on the players backs as much
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He did't have to yesterday.
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I know given that formation you forecast you must feel such a fool tonight that you can’t bring yourself to admit it so I know you will ´appreciate’ someone doing it for you…….
´My ´name’ is since-1969 & I am a fool’.
No chance of that he hears what he wants to
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8-1-1
I know given that formation you forecast you must feel such a fool tonight that you can’t bring yourself to admit it so I know you will ´appreciate’ someone doing it for you…….
´My ´name’ is since-1969 & I am a fool’.
No chance of that he hears what he wants to
can you speak up !