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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: BillyStubbsTears on October 02, 2021, 07:40:48 pm
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1444359001098043395
Just picture the chat between Jemima and Quentin, running the Twitter feed at Conservative Central Office.
G: Golly, I heard Boris is going to the conference in Manchester. I've never actually been north of Oxford. Where IS Manchester?
Q: (Putting on a fake Corra accent) Oop t'North lass. (Back to Home Counties). Remember. Where Gove said they all have toothless, mean faces.
G: Oh gosh I'm glad we don't have to go. Anyway, time to Tweet about our leader bravely heading there. Let's see if we can find a picture of him by the side of a train that looks like it's going oop north.
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Absolutely spot on BST, but don’t get me started on how they know Northern Ireland even less :mad:
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1444359001098043395
Just picture the chat between Jemima and Quentin, running the Twitter feed at Conservative Central Office.
G: Golly, I heard Boris is going to the conference in Manchester. I've never actually been north of Oxford. Where IS Manchester?
Q: (Putting on a fake Corra accent) Oop t'North lass. (Back to Home Counties). Remember. Where Gove said they all have toothless, mean faces.
G: Oh gosh I'm glad we don't have to go. Anyway, time to Tweet about our leader bravely heading there. Let's see if we can find a picture of him by the side of a train that looks like it's going oop north.
Yeah, Keir Starmer really gets the North doesn't he. So much that he influenced them to bring about Labour's biggest mullering since 1935.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1444359001098043395
Just picture the chat between Jemima and Quentin, running the Twitter feed at Conservative Central Office.
G: Golly, I heard Boris is going to the conference in Manchester. I've never actually been north of Oxford. Where IS Manchester?
Q: (Putting on a fake Corra accent) Oop t'North lass. (Back to Home Counties). Remember. Where Gove said they all have toothless, mean faces.
G: Oh gosh I'm glad we don't have to go. Anyway, time to Tweet about our leader bravely heading there. Let's see if we can find a picture of him by the side of a train that looks like it's going oop north.
f**k me Billy. Have you really nothing better to do than write the most unfunny political sketch in the history of unfunny political sketches on a Saturday night?
Jemima and Quentin? Really?
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Everything starts from ........................ now!
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1444359001098043395
Just picture the chat between Jemima and Quentin, running the Twitter feed at Conservative Central Office.
G: Golly, I heard Boris is going to the conference in Manchester. I've never actually been north of Oxford. Where IS Manchester?
Q: (Putting on a fake Corra accent) Oop t'North lass. (Back to Home Counties). Remember. Where Gove said they all have toothless, mean faces.
G: Oh gosh I'm glad we don't have to go. Anyway, time to Tweet about our leader bravely heading there. Let's see if we can find a picture of him by the side of a train that looks like it's going oop north.
Ah two twits who need to be purged from the Party they will be sinking even further and referring to us as SCUM next!
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1444359001098043395
Just picture the chat between Jemima and Quentin, running the Twitter feed at Conservative Central Office.
G: Golly, I heard Boris is going to the conference in Manchester. I've never actually been north of Oxford. Where IS Manchester?
Q: (Putting on a fake Corra accent) Oop t'North lass. (Back to Home Counties). Remember. Where Gove said they all have toothless, mean faces.
G: Oh gosh I'm glad we don't have to go. Anyway, time to Tweet about our leader bravely heading there. Let's see if we can find a picture of him by the side of a train that looks like it's going oop north.
Ah two twits who need to be purged from the Party they will be sinking even further and referring to us as SCUM next!
“Working class men are likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless & hopeless. And perhaps claim to suffer from low self-esteem, brought on by unemployment.”
Boris Johnson (1995)
The insults started a long time ago Sproty
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We know Bozo doesn't care about anything apart from his own prospects.
If Keith is the alternative, here is what he said in Liverpool at the hustings for Labour leader;
https://twitter.com/i/status/1444414110804893705
Today, he writes an opinion piece in the Sun for Murdoch, despite the past history of that paper!
Gets the north all right.
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We know Bozo doesn't care about anything apart from his own prospects.
If Keith is the alternative, here is what he said in Liverpool at the hustings for Labour leader;
https://twitter.com/i/status/1444414110804893705
Today, he writes an opinion piece in the Sun for Murdoch, despite the past history of that paper!
Gets the north all right.
Keith's also defended Met boss Cressida Dick and called for her to remain in charge .
Which isn't entirely unsurprising given that Keith was head of the CPS when Jean Charles Menzes was murdered by the Met and they got away with it .
No case to answer for .
This was a bloke who was shot 7 times in the head from point blank range in broad daylight on a London street .
Fairly typical bog standard Establishment practice of which Keith is clearly a member .
Nearly as corrupt as Blair and his £300k tax avoidance that's broke today in the Guardian , Sydney must have missed it !!!! .
Centre of the Labour Party , the protectors of the system .
Who knew eh ??
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Just proves they only care for themselves
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The furore over the picture did amuse me. Turns out despite the labour claims it was a real picture taken yesterday, Boris went to Leeds before Manchester on said train...
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BFYP
Odd then that they captioned it as him going to Manchester.
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Just proves they only care for themselves
Clearly Chumocracy isn't totally owned by the Tories .
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We know Bozo doesn't care about anything apart from his own prospects.
If Keith is the alternative, here is what he said in Liverpool at the hustings for Labour leader;
https://twitter.com/i/status/1444414110804893705
Today, he writes an opinion piece in the Sun for Murdoch, despite the past history of that paper!
Gets the north all right.
Keith's also defended Met boss Cressida Dick and called for her to remain in charge .
Which isn't entirely unsurprising given that Keith was head of the CPS when Jean Charles Menzes was murdered by the Met and they got away with it .
No case to answer for .
This was a bloke who was shot 7 times in the head from point blank range in broad daylight on a London street .
Fairly typical bog standard Establishment practice of which Keith is clearly a member .
Nearly as corrupt as Blair and his £300k tax avoidance that's broke today in the Guardian , Sydney must have missed it !!!! .
Centre of the Labour Party , the protectors of the system .
Who knew eh ??
Didn't know you felt so strongly about her there has been threads and conversations where she has been discussed
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BFYP
Odd then that they captioned it as him going to Manchester.
He was, via a stop off in Leeds. People as ever have to look for every single pointless thing and make it a thing.
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We know Bozo doesn't care about anything apart from his own prospects.
If Keith is the alternative, here is what he said in Liverpool at the hustings for Labour leader;
https://twitter.com/i/status/1444414110804893705
Today, he writes an opinion piece in the Sun for Murdoch, despite the past history of that paper!
Gets the north all right.
Keith's also defended Met boss Cressida Dick and called for her to remain in charge .
Which isn't entirely unsurprising given that Keith was head of the CPS when Jean Charles Menzes was murdered by the Met and they got away with it .
No case to answer for .
This was a bloke who was shot 7 times in the head from point blank range in broad daylight on a London street .
Fairly typical bog standard Establishment practice of which Keith is clearly a member .
Nearly as corrupt as Blair and his £300k tax avoidance that's broke today in the Guardian , Sydney must have missed it !!!! .
Centre of the Labour Party , the protectors of the system .
Who knew eh ??
Didn't know you felt so strongly about her there has been threads and conversations where she has been discussed
Not entirely sure what your point is Sydney with those remarks .
I've an association with the Met that goes back to the strike and clearly it's always been a paramilitary more than its been a keeper of law and order .
It was found to be institutionally racist following the Stephen Lawrence murder .
The murder of Sarah shows a catalogue of failures from the Met .
Keith as an establishment figure does his duty of course .
At least Harriet Harman says it how it is .
If you can't see the game that's getting played out here then there's nothing much I can say .
Keith will sell any principle he has if there are any for a whiff of power that much is clear .
Making all the right friends in the right places and cosying up isn't why the Labour movement was founded .
Perhaps he'd be better advised to join the real experts in the Tory Party along with the rumoured three other Labour MP's who are rumoured to be walking across the house to join Johnson .
Absolute embarrassment .
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But you're all talk tyke you don't actually do anything for all your bluster, so much of this could be solved if enough people a mark in the correct box.
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Tyke if you got out and rallied the troops and created a large enough voting cohort of the left to take power then you'd have something to shout about. I would have voted for Corbyn over the tories.
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But you're all talk tyke you don't actually do anything for all your bluster, so much of this could be solved if enough people a mark in the correct box.
You vote for the Tory B team if it makes you feel better Sydney .
I'm comfortable enough to abstain .
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Tyke if you got out and rallied the troops and created a large enough voting cohort of the left to take power then you'd have something to shout about. I would have voted for Corbyn over the tories.
Well well see in due course how close Keith gets to the membership numbers and votes Corbyn won in 2017 .
And that's from a pretty flawed leader .
I don't have to rally the troops Sydney they merely need someone to vote for .
Two cheeks to the same ass isn't going to work .
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It's about winning and taking power from the tories, and yourself tyke it appears only jc has matched your criteria for 'good' leadership since you arrived at voting age and look how well that went?
You wouldn't support Andy Burnham for the job either cos that would make him a liar, wouldn't it tyke?
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We know Bozo doesn't care about anything apart from his own prospects.
If Keith is the alternative, here is what he said in Liverpool at the hustings for Labour leader;
https://twitter.com/i/status/1444414110804893705
Today, he writes an opinion piece in the Sun for Murdoch, despite the past history of that paper!
Gets the north all right.
Keith's also defended Met boss Cressida Dick and called for her to remain in charge .
Which isn't entirely unsurprising given that Keith was head of the CPS when Jean Charles Menzes was murdered by the Met and they got away with it .
No case to answer for .
This was a bloke who was shot 7 times in the head from point blank range in broad daylight on a London street .
Fairly typical bog standard Establishment practice of which Keith is clearly a member .
Nearly as corrupt as Blair and his £300k tax avoidance that's broke today in the Guardian , Sydney must have missed it !!!! .
Centre of the Labour Party , the protectors of the system .
Who knew eh ??
Didn't do much about Juimmy Saville either?
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who is this Keith ?
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who is this Keith ?
Keep up, Foxbat; it's all been explained in detail on here by Tyke and Albie.
The main reason is that the left of the Labour Party don't want Starmer to be known by the same Christian name as the great Keir Hardie.
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I've just swapped my Sorento for a Hyundai for the same reason!
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It's about winning and taking power from the tories, and yourself tyke it appears only jc has matched your criteria for 'good' leadership since you arrived at voting age and look how well that went?
You wouldn't support Andy Burnham for the job either cos that would make him a liar, wouldn't it tyke?
It's about taking power away from the Tories .
Well it is if the alternative is better and there's nothing to suggest that the Labour Party are that .
The Tories are more likely to nationalise the energy companies than Labour given Keith's latest backtrack .
They've recently taken a railway back in to public ownership because it was in trouble .
Absorb that fact .
Keith says now is not the time to be talking about nationalising the energy companies .
Well when would be a good time , when the fecking lights go out or the elderly freeze to death this winter ?
Your the Labour Party leader you clown you aren't supposed to believe in the total free market you absolute moron .
Even Brown had the nous the bring the banks in to public ownership following the 2008 crash and he was about as left wing as Keith Joseph .
How can doing nothing be a better alternative Sydney ?
Your supposed to be opposing and providing credible alternatives .
Plenty to be going on with Sydney at the moment and Keith can't think of one single credible alternative policy .
Tell you why in my opinion and it is only my opinion .
He's too shyte scared to be left where the real ideas are and more concerned on not being Corbyn .
The place he's dragged the party is devoid of any ideas or policies that cut through .
We are the centre now and not those nasty left wing types .
The public say , so what .
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Even Brown had the nous the bring the banks in to public ownership following the 2008 crash and he was about as left wing as Keith Joseph .
And here we go again. Playground stuff. If you're not as left wing as me, you're a Tory.
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It's about winning and taking power from the tories, and yourself tyke it appears only jc has matched your criteria for 'good' leadership since you arrived at voting age and look how well that went?
You wouldn't support Andy Burnham for the job either cos that would make him a liar, wouldn't it tyke?
It's about taking power away from the Tories .
Well it is if the alternative is better and there's nothing to suggest that the Labour Party are that .
The Tories are more likely to nationalise the energy companies than Labour given Keith's latest backtrack .
They've recently taken a railway back in to public ownership because it was in trouble .
Absorb that fact .
Keith says now is not the time to be talking about nationalising the energy companies .
Well when would be a good time , when the fecking lights go out or the elderly freeze to death this winter ?
Your the Labour Party leader you clown you aren't supposed to believe in the total free market you absolute moron .
Even Brown had the nous the bring the banks in to public ownership following the 2008 crash and he was about as left wing as Keith Joseph .
How can doing nothing be a better alternative Sydney ?
Your supposed to be opposing and providing credible alternatives .
Plenty to be going on with Sydney at the moment and Keith can't think of one single credible alternative policy .
Tell you why in my opinion and it is only my opinion .
He's too shyte scared to be left where the real ideas are and more concerned on not being Corbyn .
The place he's dragged the party is devoid of any ideas or policies that cut through .
We are the centre now and not those nasty left wing types .
The public say , so what .
I'm surprised you support or even discuss McCluskey as he's a liar too, doesn't look like you have many you can rely on tyke.
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You could start a new party Steve, Albie and Tyke, if you can trust each other that is
'SAT'
You'll have to comb each other's back catalogue to see if you changed your minds (lied) at any time.
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Even Brown had the nous the bring the banks in to public ownership following the 2008 crash and he was about as left wing as Keith Joseph .
And here we go again. Playground stuff. If you're not as left wing as me, you're a Tory.
I never said that .
Keith is on camera at a Labour leadership hustings sticking his hand in the air when asked if he is in favour of nationalising the energy companies .
Is there anything he campaign on that he's not backtracked on ? .
This isn't about left , right or centre although Keith has made it so .
This is about standing on the fundamentals you were elected to stand on .
If this was a Tory you and Sydney would be ripping him to pieces , the colour of his rosette doesn't alter the fact he's a liar , a democracy denier and an extremely limited leader who has to taken the party to a place where it daren't be the party it's supposed to be and so therefore has little to say .
Next on his hit list will be Ed who is in favour of nationalising the energy companies .
Mark my words .
Billy I want to vote for him , I really do even if I have to hold my nose but this clown makes even that highly unlikely .
He's everything the party shouldn't be .
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Even Brown had the nous the bring the banks in to public ownership following the 2008 crash and he was about as left wing as Keith Joseph .
And here we go again. Playground stuff. If you're not as left wing as me, you're a Tory.
I never said that .
Keith is on camera at a Labour leadership hustings sticking his hand in the air when asked if he is in favour of nationalising the energy companies .
Is there anything he campaign on that he's not backtracked on ? .
This isn't about left , right or centre although Keith has made it so .
This is about standing on the fundamentals you were elected to stand on .
If this was a Tory you and Sydney would be ripping him to pieces , the colour of his rosette doesn't alter the fact he's a liar , a democracy denier and an extremely limited leader who has to taken the party to a place where it daren't be the party it's supposed to be and so therefore has little to say .
Next on his hit list will be Ed who is in favour of nationalising the energy companies .
Mark my words .
Billy I want to vote for him , I really do even if I have to hold my nose but this clown makes even that highly unlikely .
He's everything the party shouldn't be .
You keep on making things up to suit your own narrative tyke, there is enough in the Guardian almost every day 90% true the rest opinion and a whole heap in the bbc about them to overwhelm the forum's server if I/we wanted.
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It's about winning and taking power from the tories, and yourself tyke it appears only jc has matched your criteria for 'good' leadership since you arrived at voting age and look how well that went?
You wouldn't support Andy Burnham for the job either cos that would make him a liar, wouldn't it tyke?
It's about taking power away from the Tories .
Well it is if the alternative is better and there's nothing to suggest that the Labour Party are that .
The Tories are more likely to nationalise the energy companies than Labour given Keith's latest backtrack .
They've recently taken a railway back in to public ownership because it was in trouble .
Absorb that fact .
Keith says now is not the time to be talking about nationalising the energy companies .
Well when would be a good time , when the fecking lights go out or the elderly freeze to death this winter ?
Your the Labour Party leader you clown you aren't supposed to believe in the total free market you absolute moron .
Even Brown had the nous the bring the banks in to public ownership following the 2008 crash and he was about as left wing as Keith Joseph .
How can doing nothing be a better alternative Sydney ?
Your supposed to be opposing and providing credible alternatives .
Plenty to be going on with Sydney at the moment and Keith can't think of one single credible alternative policy .
Tell you why in my opinion and it is only my opinion .
He's too shyte scared to be left where the real ideas are and more concerned on not being Corbyn .
The place he's dragged the party is devoid of any ideas or policies that cut through .
We are the centre now and not those nasty left wing types .
The public say , so what .
I'm surprised you support or even discuss McCluskey as he's a liar too, doesn't look like you have many you can rely on tyke.
What on earth gives you the impression I'm even remotely impressed with McCluskey ?
He was a terrible trade union leader almost as bad as Scargill .
I don't fit neatly in to the boxes you choose to place me in old pal .
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OK nome the people at present that you could vote for, JC changed his mind several times (lied) if not more.
I'm just off out love ................
Can you pick up some bread .................
Sure, I'll get one of those dark crusty loaves from that new shop that's opened up.
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Hi darlin' I'm home ...............
Did you go to the new bread shop?
Well no, I went to the bookies and met Len, we went for a couple of pints so I picked up a mother's pride from the corner shop.
Liar.
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Even Brown had the nous the bring the banks in to public ownership following the 2008 crash and he was about as left wing as Keith Joseph .
And here we go again. Playground stuff. If you're not as left wing as me, you're a Tory.
I never said that .
Keith is on camera at a Labour leadership hustings sticking his hand in the air when asked if he is in favour of nationalising the energy companies .
Is there anything he campaign on that he's not backtracked on ? .
This isn't about left , right or centre although Keith has made it so .
This is about standing on the fundamentals you were elected to stand on .
If this was a Tory you and Sydney would be ripping him to pieces , the colour of his rosette doesn't alter the fact he's a liar , a democracy denier and an extremely limited leader who has to taken the party to a place where it daren't be the party it's supposed to be and so therefore has little to say .
Next on his hit list will be Ed who is in favour of nationalising the energy companies .
Mark my words .
Billy I want to vote for him , I really do even if I have to hold my nose but this clown makes even that highly unlikely .
He's everything the party shouldn't be .
You keep on making things up to suit your own narrative tyke, there is enough in the Guardian almost every day 90% true the rest opinion and a whole heap in the bbc about them to overwhelm the forum's server if I/we wanted.
Sydney .
Clearly on the video in the link .
Starmer raises his hand when asked on would he be in favour of nationalising the energy companies .
Clear as day at 1.40
.https://youtu.be/bKb1i3BHV4c
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Tyke I sometimes wonder about you, you don't appear to have a political bone in your brain.
When you run out of fact you start with insults that only to confirm the 'gammon' tag that has been thrown around, and you don't make political sense.
Everyone changes their minds, but in business and politics if you don't to some extent you'd be dead in the water quick smart, I'll wager my £100 to your £50 to go to the food bank that you cannot name a front bench politician that has never changed their minds at some point.
What would be the point in taking a policy to an election if you know it will cost you that election.
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OK nome the people at present that you could vote for, JC changed his mind several times (lied) if not more.
I'm just off out love ................
Can you pick up some bread .................
Sure, I'll get one of those dark crusty loaves from that new shop that's opened up.
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Hi darlin' I'm home ...............
Did you go to the new bread shop?
Well no, I went to the bookies and met Len, we went for a couple of pints so I picked up a mother's pride from the corner shop.
Liar.
He didn't lie to win the leadership did he .
You knew what he stood for at least economically .
Now you may have disliked him , disagreed with him but you knew what he stood behind .
He gave the party an identity .
Weak man and some pretty unsavoury meetings with equally unsavoury people was his nemesis but not what he stood on .
Starmer will not get near his 2017 vote share , not a chance .
I'd give Rayner a go , it's not exactly a particularly great pool to choose from to be totally honest but none the less if you insist on pinning me down .
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You may as well go and read the sun in the toilet tyke because you don't listen and you don;t learn
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Tyke I sometimes wonder about you, you don't appear to have a political bone in your brain.
When you run out of fact you start with insults that only to confirm the 'gammon' tag that has been thrown around, and you don't make political sense.
Everyone changes their minds, but in business and politics if you don't to some extent you'd be dead in the water quick smart, I'll wager my £100 to your £50 to go to the food bank that you cannot name a front bench politician that has never changed their minds at some point.
What would be the point in taking a policy to an election if you know it will cost you that election.
Ah the old all politicians lie retort .
So Johnson gets a free pass too then ?
Yes or no will suffice .
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OK nome the people at present that you could vote for, JC changed his mind several times (lied) if not more.
I'm just off out love ................
Can you pick up some bread .................
Sure, I'll get one of those dark crusty loaves from that new shop that's opened up.
......................................
Hi darlin' I'm home ...............
Did you go to the new bread shop?
Well no, I went to the bookies and met Len, we went for a couple of pints so I picked up a mother's pride from the corner shop.
Liar.
He didn't lie to win the leadership did he .
You knew what he stood for at least economically .
Now you may have disliked him , disagreed with him but you knew what he stood behind .
He gave the party an identity .
Weak man and some pretty unsavoury meetings with equally unsavoury people was his nemesis but not what he stood on .
Starmer will not get near his 2017 vote share , not a chance .
I'd give Rayner a go , it's not exactly a particularly great pool to choose from to be totally honest but none the less if you insist on pinning me down .
I have told you if I had the option I would have voted for him, how many times?
So, JC never changed a policy position before he became leader?
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Tyke I sometimes wonder about you, you don't appear to have a political bone in your brain.
When you run out of fact you start with insults that only to confirm the 'gammon' tag that has been thrown around, and you don't make political sense.
Everyone changes their minds, but in business and politics if you don't to some extent you'd be dead in the water quick smart, I'll wager my £100 to your £50 to go to the food bank that you cannot name a front bench politician that has never changed their minds at some point.
What would be the point in taking a policy to an election if you know it will cost you that election.
Ah the old all politicians lie retort .
So Johnson gets a free pass too then ?
Yes or no will suffice .
You argue as a child does tyke
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Tyke.
You said it in your own words that I quoted. Everything else is meaningless in this discussion if you start from the premise that Brown was as left wing as Keith Joseph.
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for you tyke
''Jeremy Corbyn is one of the most misunderstood leaders in the UK Labour party’s history. Immensely popular with voters, but loathed by the party establishment, neither the British press, nor the Cameron government, know quite what to do with him.
Matthew Tempest spoke to Rosa Prince, the author of the new Corbyn biography, Comrade Corbyn, about his personal history, and what the Corbyn phenomenon says about UK politics.
Rosa Prince is a former political correspondent for the Daily Mirror and the Daily Telegraph in London. Her biography of the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, is published by BiteBack Publishing.
Many readers might be surprised to learn that the new leader of the Labour party actually voted to pull out of the EU in the 1970s, and voted against the Maastricht treaty of 1993. What has changed his mind? ..................
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''And yes, you’re right, Jeremy Corbyn’s been a little later than most to change his mind. Even as late as the early stages of the leadership election last summer, he was still saying he could see circumstances where he might vote, even campaign, to leave''
well, I'll go to owr ouse.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/interview/corbyn-biographer-how-the-labour-leader-changed-his-mind-on-brexit/
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Tyke.
You said it in your own words that I quoted. Everything else is meaningless in this discussion if you start from the premise that Brown was as left wing as Keith Joseph.
I was trying to be sarcastic .
:blink:
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for you tyke
''Jeremy Corbyn is one of the most misunderstood leaders in the UK Labour party’s history. Immensely popular with voters, but loathed by the party establishment, neither the British press, nor the Cameron government, know quite what to do with him.
Matthew Tempest spoke to Rosa Prince, the author of the new Corbyn biography, Comrade Corbyn, about his personal history, and what the Corbyn phenomenon says about UK politics.
Rosa Prince is a former political correspondent for the Daily Mirror and the Daily Telegraph in London. Her biography of the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, is published by BiteBack Publishing.
Many readers might be surprised to learn that the new leader of the Labour party actually voted to pull out of the EU in the 1970s, and voted against the Maastricht treaty of 1993. What has changed his mind? ..................
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''And yes, you’re right, Jeremy Corbyn’s been a little later than most to change his mind. Even as late as the early stages of the leadership election last summer, he was still saying he could see circumstances where he might vote, even campaign, to leave''
well, I'll go to owr ouse.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/interview/corbyn-biographer-how-the-labour-leader-changed-his-mind-on-brexit/
Did he campaign to remain along with Cameron ?
Never saw him share a stage with him once in 2016 .
Cameron even criticised him for not doing his bit .
Trying to compare him to Keith is plain silly .
From a backbench position in the 1970's when the Labour Party and trade unions were anti common market to leader of the Party over 30 years later when 95% were EU fanatics isn't a fair comparisons when compared to Keith campaigning to nationalise the energy companies in a leadership campaign .
Then changing his mind 12 months later as leader at a time the energy companies are going bust and consumers are facing massive price increases with a winter to face .
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Tyke I sometimes wonder about you, you don't appear to have a political bone in your brain.
When you run out of fact you start with insults that only to confirm the 'gammon' tag that has been thrown around, and you don't make political sense.
Everyone changes their minds, but in business and politics if you don't to some extent you'd be dead in the water quick smart, I'll wager my £100 to your £50 to go to the food bank that you cannot name a front bench politician that has never changed their minds at some point.
What would be the point in taking a policy to an election if you know it will cost you that election.
Ah the old all politicians lie retort .
So Johnson gets a free pass too then ?
Yes or no will suffice .
You argue as a child does tyke
Whose throwing insults around now ?
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for you tyke
''Jeremy Corbyn is one of the most misunderstood leaders in the UK Labour party’s history. Immensely popular with voters, but loathed by the party establishment, neither the British press, nor the Cameron government, know quite what to do with him.
Matthew Tempest spoke to Rosa Prince, the author of the new Corbyn biography, Comrade Corbyn, about his personal history, and what the Corbyn phenomenon says about UK politics.
Rosa Prince is a former political correspondent for the Daily Mirror and the Daily Telegraph in London. Her biography of the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, is published by BiteBack Publishing.
Many readers might be surprised to learn that the new leader of the Labour party actually voted to pull out of the EU in the 1970s, and voted against the Maastricht treaty of 1993. What has changed his mind? ..................
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''And yes, you’re right, Jeremy Corbyn’s been a little later than most to change his mind. Even as late as the early stages of the leadership election last summer, he was still saying he could see circumstances where he might vote, even campaign, to leave''
well, I'll go to owr ouse.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/interview/corbyn-biographer-how-the-labour-leader-changed-his-mind-on-brexit/
Did he campaign to remain along with Cameron ?
Never saw him share a stage with him once in 2016 .
Cameron even criticised him for not doing his bit .
Trying to compare him to Keith is plain silly .
From a backbench position in the 1970's when the Labour Party and trade unions were anti common market to leader of the Party over 30 years later when 95% were EU fanatics isn't a fair comparisons when compared to Keith campaigning to nationalise the energy companies in a leadership campaign .
Then changing his mind 12 months later as leader at a time the energy companies are going bust and consumers are facing massive price increases with a winter to face .
who said I'm comparing him to starmer? I'm just pointing out how ludicrous your criteria is, the person you'd support with your criteria hasn't been born yet.
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Tyke I sometimes wonder about you, you don't appear to have a political bone in your brain.
When you run out of fact you start with insults that only to confirm the 'gammon' tag that has been thrown around, and you don't make political sense.
Everyone changes their minds, but in business and politics if you don't to some extent you'd be dead in the water quick smart, I'll wager my £100 to your £50 to go to the food bank that you cannot name a front bench politician that has never changed their minds at some point.
What would be the point in taking a policy to an election if you know it will cost you that election.
Ah the old all politicians lie retort .
So Johnson gets a free pass too then ?
Yes or no will suffice .
You argue as a child does tyke
Whose throwing insults around now ?
This is not an insult it's the truth, you keep changing the point of the argument.
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for you tyke
''Jeremy Corbyn is one of the most misunderstood leaders in the UK Labour party’s history. Immensely popular with voters, but loathed by the party establishment, neither the British press, nor the Cameron government, know quite what to do with him.
Matthew Tempest spoke to Rosa Prince, the author of the new Corbyn biography, Comrade Corbyn, about his personal history, and what the Corbyn phenomenon says about UK politics.
Rosa Prince is a former political correspondent for the Daily Mirror and the Daily Telegraph in London. Her biography of the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, is published by BiteBack Publishing.
Many readers might be surprised to learn that the new leader of the Labour party actually voted to pull out of the EU in the 1970s, and voted against the Maastricht treaty of 1993. What has changed his mind? ..................
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''And yes, you’re right, Jeremy Corbyn’s been a little later than most to change his mind. Even as late as the early stages of the leadership election last summer, he was still saying he could see circumstances where he might vote, even campaign, to leave''
well, I'll go to owr ouse.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/interview/corbyn-biographer-how-the-labour-leader-changed-his-mind-on-brexit/
That article. Jesus, where to begin?
Corbyn immensely popular with voters? In the last week before the 2019 election, there was a poll that had him on -60% net approval. By comparison, Starmer has Kim Jong Un approval ratings.
Corbyn changed his mind on Brexit? Did he f**k. He was a lifelong believer in us being out of the EU. Havibg barely shown his face throughout the Brexit campaign, he was out in front of the cameras on Westminster Green at sparrowfart on 24 June 2016 demanding that Article 50 be invoked immediately. It was one of his major political ambitions achieved.
What he had to do during the campaign was to pretend he supported Remain because if he had been truthful, he would have been toppled as leader immediately. Hence that excruciating interview the day before the vote, on an obscure American far left internet channel where the interviewer asked him with barely suppressed incredulity how a lifelong Bennite could not be in favour of Brexit. And Corbyn replied (and I shit you not) that he understood the Left argument against the EU, but he supported Remain because plastic bags dropped in the sea off Colombia could end up washed ashore on beaches in Japan.
No way on God's earth did Corbyn vote Remain once he was inside the polling booth.
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This thread shows why as poor as the Conservatives are why they will probably win the next election.
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You may as well go and read the sun in the toilet tyke because you don't listen and you don;t learn
The Sun? You mean the one Starmer wrote an article for the other day, thus adding the City of Liverpool to all the other areas of the North that will never vote for him?
I don't think it's Tyke that's not listening and learning.
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I’ve extracted this comment from the Pandora papers thread link but I think it pretty much sums things up nicely.
Keir Starmer’s Labour party is a manifestation of a “woke” metropolitan elite utterly alien to the “red wall” voters who flocked to the Tories at the last election.
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You may as well go and read the sun in the toilet tyke because you don't listen and you don;t learn
The Sun? You mean the one Starmer wrote an article for the other day, thus adding the City of Liverpool to all the other areas of the North that will never vote for him?
I don't think it's Tyke that's not listening and learning.
Steve what's frustrating more than anything is that Starmer is taking the Labour Party in the totally wrong direction .
The Regan and Thatcher creation of neoliberalism is massively on its ass and has been possibly since the financial crash in 2008 .
That's why we've had populism in the U.S with Trump and currently with the Tories and Johnson .
Trump and Regan are two totally different Republican US Presidents and Thatcher and Johnson are clearly two different UK PM's .
The Republican and Tory's saw Neoliberalism was on its ass and switched to populism to remain in the game .
The problem was the Trump reign and the capitol riots in January of this year scared the shyte out of the U.S. Establishment and realised they'd gone too far and created a monster .
We've also had a devastating global pandemic to deal with .
It could very well happen here with Johnson and what's occurring currently right now in the UK but possibly not to the extent it did in the U.S. .
Biden's seen the political space that's opened up , a very moderate democrat he may be but he's seen the left view with the state providing an unprecedented amount of dollars to recover the country and extinguish populism .
He'd the sense to use Bernie Sanders who is from the left not feckin purge him like we are seeing here with Keith .
State intervention is massively back in the game .
Keith's is placing his tanks on ground that no longer exists , somewhere that existed before the 2008 crash , Popularism and Brexit plus a global pandemic .
To say the world's changed is an understatement .
The Tories here have spotted this state intervention wave , now it may well be more rhetoric than policy but none the less they have spotted the space with levelling up , ending the low wage cheap Labour economy etc etc .
I repeat it may well be rhetoric for the benefit of my critics but they have huge media influence and are the best liars in the world so the policy doesn't have to match the rhetoric .
The energy is coming from a left direction and Keith can't see it and even back tracks on nationalisation of the energy companies whilst wages war with the ideas factory from the left .
Rhetoric is all the Tories need with the opposition going in the opposite direction from where an election is likely to be fought and won .
I dare say he may have more up his sleeve than he's shown as time ticks down to the next election but the signs aren't good I have to say .
A bit long winded I admit but that's my take .
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This thread shows why as poor as the Conservatives are why they will probably win the next election.
No probably about it. The Tories can get away with murder (and literally have) and still the braindead idiots will vote them in again.
I can't work out who i hate the most. The Tories for just being complete t**ts or Labour for being so useless and irrelevant.
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You may as well go and read the sun in the toilet tyke because you don't listen and you don;t learn
The Sun? You mean the one Starmer wrote an article for the other day, thus adding the City of Liverpool to all the other areas of the North that will never vote for him?
I don't think it's Tyke that's not listening and learning.
Yep you're correct Steve, from the comfort of his armchair he's going to do what?
Lead the next revolution of the socialist alliance to win an election?
The left of the left are so relaxed about things they can't even be arsed to vote.
You have more chance of witnessing this (still a white hetero sexual male one) than seeing the Left of the Left win an election without the centre.
''The Ascension of Jesus (anglicized from the Vulgate Latin: ascensio Iesu, lit. 'ascent of Jesus') is the Christian teaching that Christ physically departed from Earth by rising into Heaven, in the presence of eleven of his apostles.[1] According to the New Testament narrative, the Ascension occurred forty days after the resurrection.[1] In the Christian tradition, reflected in the major Christian creeds and confessional statements, God exalted Jesus after his death,[2][3] raising him from the dead and taking him to Heaven, where Jesus took his seat at the right hand of God.[4]''
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Ask tyke to tell you about the last time the left swept into power, so we can have hope and be inspired.
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Tyke.
If you get off your soapbox for a moment and consider policies from the 2019 Labour manifesto that Starmer has already signed up to, we can have a sensible discussion.
There's a list in these two tweets.
https://mobile.twitter.com/FisherAndrew79/status/1443498164682625026
https://mobile.twitter.com/FisherAndrew79/status/1443502296210583559?s=20
That's a hell of a lot of left wing policies from a Red Tory.
So come on. What are YOU prepared to do to find a compromise non the Left. Or is it that, unless you get it just the way you want it, you'd rather have the Tories in power?
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Hey tyke, I think you might have something there helping the tories retain power, everyone is going to be on high wages, because johnson has guts.
I'll finally be able to come off night shift.
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Sydney and BST, what do you both think of Starmer writing that article in the Sun, thus alienating the City of Liverpool?
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I’ve extracted this comment from the Pandora papers thread link but I think it pretty much sums things up nicely.
Keir Starmer’s Labour party is a manifestation of a “woke” metropolitan elite utterly alien to the “red wall” voters who flocked to the Tories at the last election.
What is your definition of "woke" as it originally meant someone who is aware of injustices of the world, so against racism, etc. I think any normal person would say they're woke.
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Perfectly simple SS.
You don't win political power if you don't communicate with people. Whatever I think about the Sun (and for the record I think it is beneath being worth wiping your arse on) the fact is that many other people don't think that, and get much of their political news filtered through it. So any politician who ignores it is cutting his nose off to spite his face.
As for the people of Liverpool, I'd hope they'd be able to see the big picture that I've explained above. There is no reason whatsoever why you shouldn't hate the Sun and boycott buying it, while accepting that you have to use it if you want to get into power (and ideally, hold the bas**rds that own and edit it to account once you are in power).
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There are other routes to power and to attract more voters than alienating the people that see the party as their logical home, whether it's the left of the party or the people of Liverpool.
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People who are looking to be alienated by Starmer will find whatever reason they need to be alienated by Starmer. Meanwhile, Labour that the Left seems to have written off is within touching distance of the Tories in the polls.
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People who are looking to be alienated by Starmer will find whatever reason they need to be alienated by Starmer. Meanwhile, Labour that the Left seems to have written off is within touching distance of the Tories in the polls.
Which is really good because we know how well this Tory party have done and how Boris is such a competent leader with a brilliant cabinet behind him!
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People who are looking to be alienated by Starmer will find whatever reason they need to be alienated by Starmer. Meanwhile, Labour that the Left seems to have written off is within touching distance of the Tories in the polls.
Which is really good because we know how well this Tory party have done and how Boris is such a competent leader with a brilliant cabinet behind him!
I do agree they need to follow through on policies.
I did though see a good point. The two leaders' speaches did contrast. One positive one quite negative. Boris Johnson is very clever on that, turning negatives in to positives is a good strategy. Labour need to do that, be very questioning and critical but publicly create a positive image for the future. Biden did that quite strongly in America, he focussed more on his aims than trump's failures.
What wins votes? Tories are scum or this is how we will make your life better?
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The Tories have given 40% of the electorate what they want in Brexit. They got a boost from the success of the vaccine rollout.
YOU might think the Tories are useless, but there are millions of people out there who don't agree.
BUT. There's been a steady drift in Tory support since early summer. People will forget the vaccines. Some will start to question the wisdom of Brexit. More still will just be pissed off with higher bills and the air of crisis.
None of which will prevent Johnson being elected again if a million people on the Left insist on not voting Labour when the time comes because...principles.
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DO
The Tories have given 40% of the electorate what they want in Brexit. They got a boost from the success of the vaccine rollout.
YOU might think the Tories are useless, but there are millions of people out there who don't agree.
BUT. There's been a steady drift in Tory support since early summer. People will forget the vaccines. Some will start to question the wisdom of Brexit. More still will just be pissed off with higher bills and the air of crisis.
None of which will prevent Johnson being elected again if a million people on the Left insist on not voting Labour when the time comes because...principles.
But what can be done to entice those voters?
Personally, if there was an election tomorrow I'd be voting Green but if Starmer can prove to be a more inspiring figure and work towards some policies (no one's asking for a complete manifesto) then as someone who is center-left I'd be willing to listen...
The way to winning the election isn't by Labour voters attacking Labour voters.
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Well I gave a link to a list of a dozen policies from the 2019 manifesto that Starmer has already signed up to.
You are saying explicitly that you'd rather have Johnson re-elected than see a Labour PM be in a position to implement those policies.
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Reform party for me i think this coming election.
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Tyke.
If you get off your soapbox for a moment and consider policies from the 2019 Labour manifesto that Starmer has already signed up to, we can have a sensible discussion.
There's a list in these two tweets.
https://mobile.twitter.com/FisherAndrew79/status/1443498164682625026
https://mobile.twitter.com/FisherAndrew79/status/1443502296210583559?s=20
That's a hell of a lot of left wing policies from a Red Tory.
So come on. What are YOU prepared to do to find a compromise non the Left. Or is it that, unless you get it just the way you want it, you'd rather have the Tories in power?
Billy , The Tories have placed their tanks on what should be Labour's front lawn .
Levelling up , moving from a low wage low skill economy etc etc .
With all due respect the party is going to have to be far more radical than what you have linked to blow the rhetoric away .
They are going to have to first convince the electorate that Johnson is doing nothing of the sort whilst at the same proving they are the ones to level up , increase the minimum wage etc etc .
It's not the greatest start to backtrack on nationalisation of the energy companies when trying to convince the electorate you are the only genuine champion of Mr and Mrs Joe cost of living .
The first of the big six energy companies to fall in to great difficulty and the Tories take them over and Keith's going to look remarkably stupid to say the least .
I'd even say it would completely finish him .
I'm not against the policies you've highlighted by any means what I'm saying is it isn't going to be enough .
To beat Johnson's rhetoric Labour need way way less market forces speak and far more state will deliver the change .
State intervention is in play , massively .
The problem is Keith's instincts and the despicable Mandelson are in 1997 because that's all they know .
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Perfectly simple SS.
You don't win political power if you don't communicate with people. Whatever I think about the Sun (and for the record I think it is beneath being worth wiping your arse on) the fact is that many other people don't think that, and get much of their political news filtered through it. So any politician who ignores it is cutting his nose off to spite his face.
As for the people of Liverpool, I'd hope they'd be able to see the big picture that I've explained above. There is no reason whatsoever why you shouldn't hate the Sun and boycott buying it, while accepting that you have to use it if you want to get into power (and ideally, hold the bas**rds that own and edit it to account once you are in power).
It might be half an idea to actually know what kind of feeling writing in The Scum does for an area with 15 northern parliamentary constituencies .
At a time when it maybe reasonable to suggest building bridges with northern voters wouldn't be the worst idea .
It may also be reasonable to suggest people in Merseyside are probably the shop stewards of the UK and it ain't a great idea to pyss them off .
It ain't a great idea to write for The Scum given the emotion surrounding the Hillsborough disaster within Merseyside .
Any clued up Labour leader wouldn't go near that publication with the proverbial barge pole especially one looking to rebuild trust and relationship with the electorate .
Only someone from a cosmopolitan background and completely out of touch would do so .
Don't take the Merseyside vote for granted , trust me don't .
They are likely to elect 15 chimpanzees on a matter of principle as a consequence .
The five gains in white van man Essex equates to another ten losses for the Labour Party .
If the Labour Party needs The Scum to get elected then perhaps it should look at itself .
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I suppose the problem with the sun being a loyal murdoch rag the tories don't have to 'write' for it as it faithfully prints everything at all the emanates from entertainment HQ in number 10 and provides distractions when there is bad news.
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Perfectly simple SS.
You don't win political power if you don't communicate with people. Whatever I think about the Sun (and for the record I think it is beneath being worth wiping your arse on) the fact is that many other people don't think that, and get much of their political news filtered through it. So any politician who ignores it is cutting his nose off to spite his face.
As for the people of Liverpool, I'd hope they'd be able to see the big picture that I've explained above. There is no reason whatsoever why you shouldn't hate the Sun and boycott buying it, while accepting that you have to use it if you want to get into power (and ideally, hold the bas**rds that own and edit it to account once you are in power).
It might be half an idea to actually know what kind of feeling writing in The Scum does for an area with 15 northern parliamentary constituencies .
At a time when it maybe reasonable to suggest building bridges with northern voters wouldn't be the worst idea .
It may also be reasonable to suggest people in Merseyside are probably the shop stewards of the UK and it ain't a great idea to pyss them off .
It ain't a great idea to write for The Scum given the emotion surrounding the Hillsborough disaster within Merseyside .
Any clued up Labour leader wouldn't go near that publication with the proverbial barge pole especially one looking to rebuild trust and relationship with the electorate .
Only someone from a cosmopolitan background and completely out of touch would do so .
Don't take the Merseyside vote for granted , trust me don't .
They are likely to elect 15 chimpanzees on a matter of principle as a consequence .
The five gains in white van man Essex equates to another ten losses for the Labour Party .
If the Labour Party needs The Scum to get elected then perhaps it should look at itself .
I suppose one of the things one has to sort is reality from hype Tyke.
Atm everything johnson & the johnson's have said is exactly that 'said' and nothing more this levelling up, remind me howw long it's been a 'thing' and how much has been done, everything so far has just been chat or 180 degrees opposite, look at the tax increases for starters, they are real and yet sunak is already talking about how he's going to reduce taxes.
'Tanks on the lawn' it sounds like you believe more than most.
The reality is labour just got hammered at the last election.
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Tyke.
Blair regularly wrote in The Sun. Remind me how many Labour MPs were hoyed out of Merseyside as a result.
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Perfectly simple SS.
You don't win political power if you don't communicate with people. Whatever I think about the Sun (and for the record I think it is beneath being worth wiping your arse on) the fact is that many other people don't think that, and get much of their political news filtered through it. So any politician who ignores it is cutting his nose off to spite his face.
As for the people of Liverpool, I'd hope they'd be able to see the big picture that I've explained above. There is no reason whatsoever why you shouldn't hate the Sun and boycott buying it, while accepting that you have to use it if you want to get into power (and ideally, hold the bas**rds that own and edit it to account once you are in power).
It might be half an idea to actually know what kind of feeling writing in The Scum does for an area with 15 northern parliamentary constituencies .
At a time when it maybe reasonable to suggest building bridges with northern voters wouldn't be the worst idea .
It may also be reasonable to suggest people in Merseyside are probably the shop stewards of the UK and it ain't a great idea to pyss them off .
It ain't a great idea to write for The Scum given the emotion surrounding the Hillsborough disaster within Merseyside .
Any clued up Labour leader wouldn't go near that publication with the proverbial barge pole especially one looking to rebuild trust and relationship with the electorate .
Only someone from a cosmopolitan background and completely out of touch would do so .
Don't take the Merseyside vote for granted , trust me don't .
They are likely to elect 15 chimpanzees on a matter of principle as a consequence .
The five gains in white van man Essex equates to another ten losses for the Labour Party .
If the Labour Party needs The Scum to get elected then perhaps it should look at itself .
I suppose one of the things one has to sort is reality from hype Tyke.
Atm everything johnson & the johnson's have said is exactly that 'said' and nothing more this levelling up, remind me howw long it's been a 'thing' and how much has been done, everything so far has just been chat or 180 degrees opposite, look at the tax increases for starters, they are real and yet sunak is already talking about how he's going to reduce taxes.
'Tanks on the lawn' it sounds like you believe more than most.
The reality is labour just got hammered at the last election.
I really don't know what to say Sydney but I'm a trier none the less .
I get the impression which to be fair is pretty conclusive given the only links you present are from The Guardian .
If you want to find out what the Tories are up to it's best to cast your net further than the tribalist publications you rely on .
They've discovered the big state rhetoric Sydney and I do say rhetoric by the way .
This after the small state and market forces they've lived and died by since 1979 .
Of course it's b@llax .
None the less it's shifted the conversation and because they have favourable media and pretty good at lying it works .
They have significant votes in working class areas which they never had before .
If Labour do not engage them and prove they are better at this game which they historically should be and make the case for the power of the state over market forces by proving the policy rather than rhetoric then you know the rest .
Unfortunately and I do say unfortunately the current holders of the Labour Party can't see the game that's getting played here .
Instinctively they are going down the state to aid business route which was Blair's play plus the faith in free markets .
Keith with his background is more credible to make the case for the power of the state , the electorate are far more susceptible to see the state can be relied on more than the markets .
The majority have had furlough to save our asses for starters these last 18 months .
By definition Labour saved the country from bankruptcy in 2008 .
So that leads the electorate to conclude the state saves them from neoliberalism and a global pandemic .
This isn't some hard left ideology this is the rules of engagement today .
All the Labour Party have to do which given it's history is prove the point they are better at using the state to aid the country .
Given the natural Tory ideology that wouldn't in my opinion be that fecking hard to do .
Especially a Tory government who are merely blowing smoke up the electorates back side .
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''If Labour do not engage them and prove they are better at this game which they historically should be and make the case for the power of the state over market forces by proving the policy rather than rhetoric then you know the rest ''
Are you referring to the 'now' labour or the labour that just recently got kicked in the balls tyke?
try this publication
https://www.greenleft.org.au/
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Tyke.
Blair regularly wrote in The Sun. Remind me how many Labour MPs were hoyed out of Merseyside as a result.
Even Foot and Kinnock didn't lose Scotland and the Red Wall Billy .
C'mon fella let's play today's game .
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''If Labour do not engage them and prove they are better at this game which they historically should be and make the case for the power of the state over market forces by proving the policy rather than rhetoric then you know the rest ''
Are you referring to the 'now' labour or the labour that just recently got kicked in the balls tyke?
try this publication
https://www.greenleft.org.au/
Don't you find it a bit hypocritical to hand the new leadership of labour the remains of a shit sandwich and then be offering advice on how it should be done, tyke?
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''If Labour do not engage them and prove they are better at this game which they historically should be and make the case for the power of the state over market forces by proving the policy rather than rhetoric then you know the rest ''
Are you referring to the 'now' labour or the labour that just recently got kicked in the balls tyke?
try this publication
https://www.greenleft.org.au/
For God's sake man wake up .
We've had a global pandemic and the Tories are mismanaging leaving the EU .
Even 2019 is no longer relevant .
Look I ain't here to make the case for Corbyn the man I'm making the case for massive state intervention .
If you believe you can solve 2021 problems given what's occurred since 2008 with 1997 solutions then unfortunately you are massively wrong in my opinion .
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''If Labour do not engage them and prove they are better at this game which they historically should be and make the case for the power of the state over market forces by proving the policy rather than rhetoric then you know the rest ''
Are you referring to the 'now' labour or the labour that just recently got kicked in the balls tyke?
try this publication
https://www.greenleft.org.au/
For God's sake man wake up .
We've had a global pandemic and the Tories are mismanaging leaving the EU .
Even 2019 is no longer relevant .
Look I ain't here to make the case for Corbyn the man I'm making the case for massive state intervention .
If you believe you can solve 2021 problems given what's occurred since 2008 with 1997 solutions then unfortunately you are massively wrong in my opinion .
You keep trotting out tory lines and talking points as though they are real.
Look at the economy before the pandemic, look at what labour did after the gfc.
And yet you still would rather see the tories in power than labour, I think you need to get up out of the armchair and help out rather than supporting the party that got us here.
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Tyke.
Blair regularly wrote in The Sun. Remind me how many Labour MPs were hoyed out of Merseyside as a result.
Even Foot and Kinnock didn't lose Scotland and the Red Wall Billy .
C'mon fella let's play today's game .
You missed your vocation Tyke.
With your ability to stay on message and just ghost any facts that contradict your world view, you REALLY should have been a New Labour MP!
Mandelson would have been proud of you.
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Tyke.
Blair regularly wrote in The Sun. Remind me how many Labour MPs were hoyed out of Merseyside as a result.
Even Foot and Kinnock didn't lose Scotland and the Red Wall Billy .
C'mon fella let's play today's game .
You missed your vocation Tyke.
With your ability to stay on message and just ghost any facts that contradict your world view, you REALLY should have been a New Labour MP!
Mandelson would have been proud of you.
I'm really lost for words Billy , but hey ho you carry on missing the game that's getting played here by the Tory government .
It's not a great look they are humiliating you , the Labour Party and the many not the few .
There's none so blind that can't see .
I can't hang my hat on such a pathetic excuse of a party .
Proper embarrassing to do so .
Getting fecked over at what should be their own game is something I can't do .
Good Luck with it anyway .
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All you really have to do tyke is set out a path for a labour victory.
Define the strategy, how many votes and seats required.
And of course name your champion, within the boundaries you have set yourself.
Please try to stick with it, regard it as homework if you like but please, no insults or smoke.
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All you really have to do tyke is set out a path for a labour victory.
Define the strategy, how many votes and seats required.
And of course name your champion, within the boundaries you have set yourself.
Please try to stick with it, regard it as homework if you like but please, no insults or smoke.
Well you'll own the next election result with no lefty in sight .
Own it lock , stock and barrel .
You'll blame the electorate for not voting your way of course which is what you do with me and relinquish all responsibility for it .
It's always somebody else isn't it .
The truth is the people who once voted for you absolutely hate you .
That's how good you are , what was the vote in the bag hate you .
They'd sooner Bunter blow smoke up their ass than vote for you lot .
Just absorb that fact , an Etonian Tory who blows smoke up their ass is more preferable to Keith .
Yep he walloped Corbyn too but which shadow brexit minister was responsible for that ? .
There's nothing more to say really .
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All you really have to do tyke is set out a path for a labour victory.
Define the strategy, how many votes and seats required.
And of course name your champion, within the boundaries you have set yourself.
Please try to stick with it, regard it as homework if you like but please, no insults or smoke.
Well you'll own the next election result with no lefty in sight .
Own it lock , stock and barrel .
You'll blame the electorate for not voting your way of course which is what you do with me and relinquish all responsibility for it .
It's always somebody else isn't it .
The truth is the people who once voted for you absolutely hate you .
That's how good you are , what was the vote in the bag hate you .
They'd sooner Bunter blow smoke up their ass than vote for you lot .
Just absorb that fact , an Etonian Tory who blows smoke up their ass is more preferable to Keith .
Yep he walloped Corbyn too but which shadow brexit minister was responsible for that ? .
There's nothing more to say really .
More smoke than an Australian bushfire tyke, piss or get off the pot.
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The best thing that could be said about the tory mess following 11 years of economic blind mans bluff is written in the old joke but now a bit of a truism.
If I was going to go there, I wouldn't be starting from here.