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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: StocksArmy on October 30, 2021, 03:39:17 pm
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Ive backed him and backed him backed him but thats me now. Get this guy out the club tonight.
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Agree. Piss off Wellens. Absolutely clueless.
Have some dignity and resign tonight. The club are paying you and you don't deserve and are not earning the money!
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Agree. Piss off Wellens. Absolutely clueless.
Have some dignity and resign tonight. The club are paying you and you don't deserve and are not earning the money!
So who do we get to replace him? Our home form is reasonable. It is away we are having problems.
No good calling for the managers head after each defeat.
No one wanted him out last Saturday or on Tuesday night.
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Want it to work and don't want to sack managers but we're getting to the stage that not making a change will be accepting relegation and i'm not sure i'd want to keep this management in place if we whimper out of the league. Also I'm concerned any Jan spending spree to help keep us up would be wasted by the current set up.
Not calling for him to go yet but if he did go i don't think i'd be disappointed. Another month and if we are still like this then it's probably time for him to go.
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I've been consistent if you read my posts from earlier. I wanted 6 points from Chelts / Gillingham / Cambridge or he can bugger off. We got 4. Therefore from now on he doesn't get my support. Never mind. Some fans still think we are improving.
Not sure our away form is.
Who do we get in to replace him?
Absolutely ludicrous question.
I know. There is a shortage of football managers don't you know?
Don't care who it is. Get this bloke out now.
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Agree. Piss off Wellens. Absolutely clueless.
Have some dignity and resign tonight. The club are paying you and you don't deserve and are not earning the money!
So who do we get to replace him? Our home form is reasonable. It is away we wer having problems.
No good calling for the managers head after each defeat.
No one wanted him out last Saturday or on Tuesday night.
Sound lets stick to how its going then you absolute moron!
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Question to you truly believe those eleven players we have on the field today are the best you have seen in a rovers shirt in the last 4/5 seasons?
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The main concern is the crap he's signed. Williams, Dodoo, Hiwula, Knoyle, Cukur, Barlow, Gardener, Smith. All wouldn't have been near our reserve team 2 years ago never mind first team.
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Agree. Piss off Wellens. Absolutely clueless.
Have some dignity and resign tonight. The club are paying you and you don't deserve and are not earning the money!
So who do we get to replace him? Our home form is reasonable. It is away we are having problems.
No good calling for the managers head after each defeat.
No one wanted him out last Saturday or on Tuesday night.
See who applies and give one of them the job.
This who would you replace him with question is moronic. Its trotted out all the time when the manager should get sacked.
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The main concern for me is that play like a side full of absolute pussies. No bottle or grit. Wellens has surprised me on that score. I misjudged his spirit. He's sadly become another managerial puppet with no substance.
Agree on the signings also. They are all league 2 standard.
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Agree. Piss off Wellens. Absolutely clueless.
Have some dignity and resign tonight. The club are paying you and you don't deserve and are not earning the money!
So who do we get to replace him? Our home form dips reasonable. It is away we wer having problems.
No good calling for the managers head after each defeat.
No one wanted him out last Saturday or on Tuesday night.
Hate the "replace him with who argument" because we're not moaning we're not in the playoffs or have lost a couple of games. We're going down fast and embarrassingly. When it's like this that argument is nonsense if the manager was so irreplaceable we'd not be this bad in the 1st place.
So in summary we're very very very bad and have been all season. Replace the manager with who? Well things can hardly get worse so i'd suggest the question is who shouldn't replace the manager not who should
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No one in their right mind expected a result today at charlton.52 %possession reads ok. 2 shots, neither on target doesn’t read so well.
Squad is threadbare.
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Fans were happy to get a goal out of nothing to beat MK Dons and Morecambe. Cheltenham should have beaten us despite us being 3 nil up and Cambridge didn't need to have an actual shot on target to come away with a score draw.
The home form is just sticking plasters as we are shit home and away. Been incredibly lucky at the Keepmoat this season. Even Pompey missed their pen.
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Agree. Piss off Wellens. Absolutely clueless.
Have some dignity and resign tonight. The club are paying you and you don't deserve and are not earning the money!
So who do we get to replace him? Our home form is reasonable. It is away we wer having problems.
No good calling for the managers head after each defeat.
No one wanted him out last Saturday or on Tuesday night.
Sound lets stick to how its going then you absolute moron!
Is there any need for that abuse. I just gave my opinion on the situation.
The only moron is you for using that word. Grow up. Are you not capable of having a sensible debate.
Obviously not.
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He has to go soon otherwise we’re done by January
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No one in their right mind expected a result today at charlton.52 %possession reads ok. 2 shots, neither on target doesn’t read so well.
Squad is threadbare.
It's not the individual game though is it and it never will be for most fans.
We are in a terrible position and have consistently had terrible results and performances. Forget about the individual factors in each game etc look at it as a season so far. This isn't good enough and it needs to change quick.
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No one in their right mind expected a result today at charlton.52 %possession reads ok. 2 shots, neither on target doesn’t read so well.
Squad is threadbare.
If we can't get results against the team's down the bottom we will finish in the bottom 4. Despite the trickiness of the rebuild etc it shouldn't be that bad. The balance of the squad is poor, some players aren't good enough and overall I don't think the players are right to play the way wellens wants. That's criminal.
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He has to go soon otherwise we’re done by January
We’ll be well out of touch in January
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The main concern is the crap he's signed. Williams, Dodoo, Hiwula, Knoyle, Cukur, Barlow, Gardener, Smith. All wouldn't have been near our reserve team 2 years ago never mind first team.
He signed them with the money available…you were there so you know that!
You make out that he could have got much better players, ……you can only buy what you can afford ….then hope!
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No one in their right mind expected a result today at charlton.52 %possession reads ok. 2 shots, neither on target doesn’t read so well.
Squad is threadbare.
If we can't get results against the team's down the bottom we will finish in the bottom 4. Despite the trickiness of the rebuild etc it shouldn't be that bad. The balance of the squad is poor, some players aren't good enough and overall I don't think the players are right to play the way wellens wants. That's criminal.
We're that bad we're not supposed to expect "in our right mind" a result at a team who are down the bottom with us and have a poor home record! if it gets to that stage i think it makes a good argument for a change
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The main concern is the crap he's signed. Williams, Dodoo, Hiwula, Knoyle, Cukur, Barlow, Gardener, Smith. All wouldn't have been near our reserve team 2 years ago never mind first team.
He signed them with the money available…you were there so you know that!
You make out that he could have got much better players, ……you can only buy what you can afford ….then hope!
This is a fair point. My criticism is that he has signed players who are all similar in the way they like to play. Dodoo, Hiwula, Vilca etc. No variety in attacking areas. Really poor from Wellens.
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The main concern is the crap he's signed. Williams, Dodoo, Hiwula, Knoyle, Cukur, Barlow, Gardener, Smith. All wouldn't have been near our reserve team 2 years ago never mind first team.
He signed them with the money available…you were there so you know that!
You make out that he could have got much better players, ……you can only buy what you can afford ….then hope!
We can afford more than a lot of teams above us. And actually these players aren't that bad they just aren't the right mix and haven't been coached well enough. Don't make this about money it's nonsense. We don't have the cash for a playoff season but we've more than enough to be a lot better than this. Please don't use the money excuse.
Also there's more to it than signing players and hoping. That might be where we've gone wrong though. But if that's all you expect from our management team then you'll be happy with how the seasons going i'm sure
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sadly, regardless of any coaching ability, most of the players he has signed are sub standard to what we require to get out of this league. so his eye for talent is definitely lacking...
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The main concern is the crap he's signed. Williams, Dodoo, Hiwula, Knoyle, Cukur, Barlow, Gardener, Smith. All wouldn't have been near our reserve team 2 years ago never mind first team.
He signed them with the money available…you were there so you know that!
You make out that he could have got much better players, ……you can only buy what you can afford ….then hope!
This is a fair point. My criticism is that he has signed players who are all similar in the way they like to play. Dodoo, Hiwula, Vilca etc. No variety in attacking areas. Really poor from Wellens.
Did he have the money to be able to sign better players one was signed on the last day a loan I bet a free one at that when nobody had seen him because we couldn’t afford the attacking midfield player we wanted. If the players the club had signed were good players on maybe £3000 a week then yes it would be different.
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Agree. Piss off Wellens. Absolutely clueless.
Have some dignity and resign tonight. The club are paying you and you don't deserve and are not earning the money!
So who do we get to replace him? Our home form is reasonable. It is away we wer having problems.
No good calling for the managers head after each defeat.
No one wanted him out last Saturday or on Tuesday night.
Sound lets stick to how its going then you absolute moron!
Is there any need for that abuse. I just gave my opinion on the situation.
The only moron is you for using that word. Grow up. Are you not capable of having a sensible debate.
Obviously not.
Abuse! Haha brilliant. I couldnt give a toss pal. You support this sh!t. Good on you. Weve had this out many times before. If you wanna lose you stick to your guns theres a good lad.
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sadly, regardless of any coaching ability, most of the players he has signed are sub standard to what we require to get out of this league. so his eye for talent is definitely lacking...
Are they substandard for staying in this league? based on a lot of their experience pedigree etc i'd say they aren't that bad
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I would say add Rowe John Taylor Okenabirhie and Close to the starting eleven and we would be above half way.
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If you look at the teams with a so called lower budget they buy big strong players with fast wingers, they are all very physical, we have technical players and nothing else
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If you look at the teams with a so called lower budget they buy big strong players with fast wingers, they are all very physical, we have technical players and nothing else
Absolutely bang on the money this.
I admire Wellens wanting to play nice football but that's all we do. Play nice football. We don't have any plan B. We haven't any physicality and we don't even create the amount of chances our 'nice' football warrants anyway.
He hasn't yet worked out yet that his style isn't working and rarely will do in this league. Teams who are physical, well organised and who don't faff and fanny around with things will succeed in this league. That is not us.
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Now that was the keepers fault lol
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Can’t defend set pieces, horrendous signings including the loanees, no identity. Relegation looms closer and closer. Wellens out for me as for the “who do you replace him with” does it matter when we’re as bad as we are surely can’t be any worse.
Also to say these players a technically good is such a poor statement to make we’re second to bottom and look clueless. If that’s technically good I would not like to see technically poor players!!
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We are so boring as well to watch. Fans leaving after 60 minutes with trains not leaving until 8pm tonight back from London.
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Now that was the keepers fault lol
At least one of our defensive unit will make a huge personal error each game, leading to a goal. Keeper, centre backs, full backs. All of them cannot be relied upon.
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sadly, regardless of any coaching ability, most of the players he has signed are sub standard to what we require to get out of this league. so his eye for talent is definitely lacking...
That’s like saying he can’t find Waitrose items in Lidl!
He had to shop in the blue stripe area because he wasn’t adding to a squad but replacing more than he should have to……
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He absolutely has to be sacked or walk tonight
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He absolutely has to be sacked or walk tonight
he hasn’t completed his job yet .. L2!!
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Jamie Coppinger for caretaker manager. He can do it!
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This kind of result isn't even a surprise any more is it.
Just seen the score after being at a kids party, literally didn't flinch, no shocks here...standard Rovers.
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Agree. Piss off Wellens. Absolutely clueless.
Have some dignity and resign tonight. The club are paying you and you don't deserve and are not earning the money!
So who do we get to replace him? Our home form is reasonable. It is away we are having problems.
No good calling for the managers head after each defeat.
No one wanted him out last Saturday or on Tuesday night.
plenty wanted him out last week
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I would say add Rowe John Taylor Okenabirhie and Close to the starting eleven and we would be above half way.
All clubs have lots of injuries, Steve, you can't keep making that an excuse. The truth is that RW signed a load of sh*t in the Summer, and looks out of his depth in League 1.
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Jamie Coppinger for caretaker manager. He can do it!
Not sure I would want him to potentially ruin his reputation but taking over this shower.
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It’s the dross he’s going to leave behind that’s the issue ! As said earlier most of his signings appear to be league 2 at best ! I don’t think Harry Potter could even do owt with this lot ! I genuinely wanted it to work for him, however it’s a results business and there just not there.
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Agree. Piss off Wellens. Absolutely clueless.
Have some dignity and resign tonight. The club are paying you and you don't deserve and are not earning the money!
So who do we get to replace him? Our home form is reasonable. It is away we are having problems.
No good calling for the managers head after each defeat.
No one wanted him out last Saturday or on Tuesday night.
Can i have a pint of your optimism please, because if you could bottle it and sell it you would be a very rich man.
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I would say add Rowe John Taylor Okenabirhie and Close to the starting eleven and we would be above half way.
All clubs have lots of injuries, Steve, you can't keep making that an excuse. The truth is that RW signed a load of sh*t in the Summer, and looks out of his depth in League 1.
if If IF
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Jamie Coppinger for caretaker manager. He can do it!
Yeah let’s put another amateur in charge !!
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Jamie Coppinger for caretaker manager. He can do it!
Not sure I would want him to potentially ruin his reputation but taking over this shower.
Not for me. Copps has suggested he doesn't fancy management and I wouldn't want to do anything that could damage his status with us.
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The main concern is the crap he's signed. Williams, Dodoo, Hiwula, Knoyle, Cukur, Barlow, Gardener, Smith. All wouldn't have been near our reserve team 2 years ago never mind first team.
2 years ago we were spending a lot more money!
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All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game
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The main concern is the crap he's signed. Williams, Dodoo, Hiwula, Knoyle, Cukur, Barlow, Gardener, Smith. All wouldn't have been near our reserve team 2 years ago never mind first team.
2 years ago we were spending a lot more money!
Didn’t we have Bingham and Thomas 2 years ago?
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All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game
I don’t think I’m a crank but there’s noticeably more reasonable people getting to the end of their patience now. I still say another month.
Do you have a window for when a change should be made or are ok to stick with him come what may?
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It's okay we'll play another shit team at home sometime soon and win and paper over all the cracks.
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I very much doubt that Wellens will be sacked before the Crewe game.
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The main concern is the crap he's signed. Williams, Dodoo, Hiwula, Knoyle, Cukur, Barlow, Gardener, Smith. All wouldn't have been near our reserve team 2 years ago never mind first team.
2 years ago we were spending a lot more money!
Plus we never spent money replacing marquis and whiteman
Sustainability is killing us , when crowds drop too a few thousand will we have a top six budget for the conference?
Don't know who to blame but the board but things are detereating rapidly crowds are dropping, something needs to change.
Rotherham similar club how are they so light years ahead of us ? There crowds haven't dwindled?
At least we got our identity back ?
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Next two league games are massive. We need to win at least one of them, if not he should go.
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The main concern is the crap he's signed. Williams, Dodoo, Hiwula, Knoyle, Cukur, Barlow, Gardener, Smith. All wouldn't have been near our reserve team 2 years ago never mind first team.
2 years ago we were spending a lot more money!
Didn’t we have Bingham and Thomas 2 years ago?
I’m assuming he means earlier than that, because the players he mentions wouldn't have been in the reserves then.
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I think the owners need to inject more money into the club to sign a striker and/or more attacking options.
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It's okay we'll play another shit team at home sometime soon and win and paper over all the cracks.
MK dons, morecambe, Cheltenham, Cambridge are crap are they?
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The main concern for me is that play like a side full of absolute pussies. No bottle or grit. Wellens has surprised me on that score. I misjudged his spirit. He's sadly become another managerial puppet with no substance.
Agree on the signings also. They are all league 2 standard.
Some of them aren't even that good.
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The main concern is the crap he's signed. Williams, Dodoo, Hiwula, Knoyle, Cukur, Barlow, Gardener, Smith. All wouldn't have been near our reserve team 2 years ago never mind first team.
2 years ago we were spending a lot more money!
Plus we never spent money replacing marquis and whiteman
Sustainability is killing us , when crowds drop too a few thousand will we have a top six budget for the conference?
Don't know who to blame but the board but things are detereating rapidly crowds are dropping, something needs to change.
Rotherham similar club how are they so light years ahead of us ? There crowds haven't dwindled?
At least we got our identity back ?
Aye. Are we going through austerity at the club?
Clubs that reinvest see success. Unsurprisingly we've gone backwards since the lack of reinvestment.
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I'm starting to think this current squad has similarities to Dickovs squad that got him the sack.
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All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game
I don’t think I’m a crank but there’s noticeably more reasonable people getting to the end of their patience now. I still say another month.
Do you have a window for when a change should be made or are ok to stick with him come what may?
We’re in a relegation battle,
Our squad is paper thin, we’ve got injuries to players who would walk into the side.
Got to expect a lot of defeats against much better sides than us, sides like Crewe are the ones we’ve got to be beating
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Time to go I’m afraid. I’ve not seen anything to suggest otherwise
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OK, I'll say it; RW is worse than Dickov.
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All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game
I don’t think I’m a crank but there’s noticeably more reasonable people getting to the end of their patience now. I still say another month.
Do you have a window for when a change should be made or are ok to stick with him come what may?
We’re in a relegation battle,
Our squad is paper thin, we’ve got injuries to players who would walk into the side.
Got to expect a lot of defeats against much better sides than us, sides like Crewe are the ones we’ve got to be beating
A side that is much better than us?
Like a side that had 3 wins and 12 points from 14 games before today? So much better than us that with a little dash of good fortune, they might have put 8 past us today?
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We’ve played today without 5 players that would be in the starting 11.
We’ve got nobody in the squad to replace them with sufficiently.
A new manager will have the same problem
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It's okay we'll play another shit team at home sometime soon and win and paper over all the cracks.
MK dons, morecambe, Cheltenham, Cambridge are crap are they?
Yes barring MK
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All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game
I don’t think I’m a crank but there’s noticeably more reasonable people getting to the end of their patience now. I still say another month.
Do you have a window for when a change should be made or are ok to stick with him come what may?
We’re in a relegation battle,
Our squad is paper thin, we’ve got injuries to players who would walk into the side.
Got to expect a lot of defeats against much better sides than us, sides like Crewe are the ones we’ve got to be beating
A side that is much better than us?
Like a side that had 3 wins and 12 points from 14 games before today? So much better than us that with a little dash of good fortune, they might have put 8 past us today?
Yes a side that is much better than us, beat Sunderland away last week and will be up near the playoffs by the end of the season
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This Charlton side are better than the league table suggests.
Unfortunately, the same can't be said of Rovers.
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So you are saying that we should have expected to be utterly humiliated today? Only I wish you'd said that at 2:30 and saved me watching it.
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We’ve played today without 5 players that would be in the starting 11.
We’ve got nobody in the squad to replace them with sufficiently.
A new manager will have the same problem
Has the manager made the right signings and built a good squad?
Is the tactical shape of the team right and is he using the players he has in the best way?
Has he had potentially the worst run of results in our modern history?
Could another manager do better?
I think the answers to those questions speak for themselves.
It is not one game in isolation it's many. How many teams in this league are worse than us, 1, 2? We have 0 points away from home that's shambolic.
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Crewe is massive. A poor performance there and I think I'll be joining the wellens out camp. I want it to work out but this is embarrassing, we were given the uninspiring but understandable goal of consolidation this year and we're failing miserably to reach even that low bar. What do we do in training? There's just nothing at the minute.
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To add to my last post, we are boring, don't look like winning games, incapable of making a tackle and have no real identity. It just isn't working and I don't see any signs of major improvement after what 15 games now?
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So you are saying that we should have expected to be utterly humiliated today? Only I wish you'd said that at 2:30 and saved me watching it.
Yes that’s exactly what I’m saying!
Wind your neck in
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To add to my last post, we are boring, don't look like winning games, incapable of making a tackle and have no real identity. It just isn't working and I don't see any signs of major improvement after what 15 games now?
Well the home form is definitely improving,
And other than 2 away games we deserved more from Gillingham, Wigan, and especially top of the league Plymouth.
Tuesday is a big big game.
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So you are saying that we should have expected to be utterly humiliated today? Only I wish you'd said that at 2:30 and saved me watching it.
Genuine question, BST; how on Earth did you manage to watch it?
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We were never going to get anything at Charlton, you need characters in the team who will stand up and be counted but we just haven’t got them. The score line is alarming though, we can not defend to save our life! I always thought Butler and Joe Wright were limited but at least they competed! Do we do any defending in training, I’ve heard the training is a bit slapdash, don’t know if this is correct but it definitely looks this way.
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All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game
I don’t think I’m a crank but there’s noticeably more reasonable people getting to the end of their patience now. I still say another month.
Do you have a window for when a change should be made or are ok to stick with him come what may?
We’re in a relegation battle,
Our squad is paper thin, we’ve got injuries to players who would walk into the side.
Got to expect a lot of defeats against much better sides than us, sides like Crewe are the ones we’ve got to be beating
Back in the summer you were talking about pushing for promotion, now you're talking as if a relegation battle was almost inevitable.
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I was hoping for a draw but wasn't really expecting it.
I didn't forsee them getting smashed again.
Before today, I was thinking we would get a result with Crewe but now I'm not at all sure.
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All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game
I don’t think I’m a crank but there’s noticeably more reasonable people getting to the end of their patience now. I still say another month.
Do you have a window for when a change should be made or are ok to stick with him come what may?
We’re in a relegation battle,
Our squad is paper thin, we’ve got injuries to players who would walk into the side.
Got to expect a lot of defeats against much better sides than us, sides like Crewe are the ones we’ve got to be beating
Back in the summer you were talking about pushing for promotion, now you're talking as if a relegation battle was almost inevitable.
As I’ve just said, our squad is threadbare and we’ve 5 players that would play every week missing.
I still think we’re good enough to be well clear of the bottom 4 we’ve proven how good we can be in spells but it’s not been prolonged enough
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Wellens talks well, has passion, and has always had that dogged determination to win. Tactically, or his man management? Who knows, its hard to tell these things.
The issue is, the major error he has made is not just signing one or two bad players, but singing a whole squad load of bad-to-average players.
Whoever the manager they are stuck with these players.
The question for the board is now do they (a) give Wellens more investment to get better players or (b) give another manager more investment to get better players.
This is an absolutely critical question because we are currently heading to relegation, and relegation with a few players on 2 year contracts who are not automatically good enough to get us out of league 2.
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We’ve played today without 5 players that would be in the starting 11.
We’ve got nobody in the squad to replace them with sufficiently.
A new manager will have the same problem
Has the manager made the right signings and built a good squad?
Is the tactical shape of the team right and is he using the players he has in the best way?
Has he had potentially the worst run of results in our modern history?
Could another manager do better?
I think the answers to those questions speak for themselves.
It is not one game in isolation it's many. How many teams in this league are worse than us, 1, 2? We have 0 points away from home that's shambolic.
That last sentence gets to the core of the issue.
Even the worst sides in a division can be organised to grit out the odd point in away matches. But there's not been a single away game this season where we have competed when the opposition has put us under pressure. We've disintegrated every single time.
These defenders are not individually as bad as that. So where is the problem?
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So you are saying that we should have expected to be utterly humiliated today? Only I wish you'd said that at 2:30 and saved me watching it.
Genuine question, BST; how on Earth did you manage to watch it?
It's a matter of pride SS. My phosophy had always been that if you can't take the low points, you don't deserve the successes.
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My philosophy is that a manager who has lost 10 out of 15 games needs the boot asap. Stealing a wage. Hate people getting paid for not doing their jobs properly.
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To add to my last post, we are boring, don't look like winning games, incapable of making a tackle and have no real identity. It just isn't working and I don't see any signs of major improvement after what 15 games now?
Well the home form is definitely improving,
And other than 2 away games we deserved more from Gillingham, Wigan, and especially top of the league Plymouth.
Tuesday is a big big game.
It's slightly improved, depends how you view it. We've played some pretty average teams the last two both newly promoted with smaller budgets than ours and we could easily have blown it last Saturday.
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So you are saying that we should have expected to be utterly humiliated today? Only I wish you'd said that at 2:30 and saved me watching it.
Genuine question, BST; how on Earth did you manage to watch it?
It's a matter of pride SS. My phosophy had always been that if you can't take the low points, you don't deserve the successes.
I meant how did you manage to watch it when it wasn't on iFollow?
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So you are saying that we should have expected to be utterly humiliated today? Only I wish you'd said that at 2:30 and saved me watching it.
Genuine question, BST; how on Earth did you manage to watch it?
It's a matter of pride SS. My phosophy had always been that if you can't take the low points, you don't deserve the successes.
I meant how did you manage to watch it when it wasn't on iFollow?
It was on iFollow.
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Wellens talks well, has passion, and has always had that dogged determination to win. Tactically, or his man management? Who knows, its hard to tell these things.
The issue is, the major error he has made is not just signing one or two bad players, but singing a whole squad load of bad-to-average players.
Whoever the manager they are stuck with these players.
The question for the board is now do they (a) give Wellens more investment to get better players or (b) give another manager more investment to get better players.
This is an absolutely critical question because we are currently heading to relegation, and relegation with a few players on 2 year contracts who are not automatically good enough to get us out of league 2.
In isolation his signings aren’t bad players
Knoyle was in league 2 team of the season and he chose us over a few other sides.
Close very good player turned down a new contract with with Pompey to join us
Galbraith done even need to argue that one
Not forgetting o Brien was it that he thought he’d signed from Sunderland.
Injuries have killed us especially Taylor and okenabirhie, they would’ve made a big difference
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To add to my last post, we are boring, don't look like winning games, incapable of making a tackle and have no real identity. It just isn't working and I don't see any signs of major improvement after what 15 games now?
Well the home form is definitely improving,
And other than 2 away games we deserved more from Gillingham, Wigan, and especially top of the league Plymouth.
Tuesday is a big big game.
It's slightly improved, depends how you view it. We've played some pretty average teams the last two both newly promoted with smaller budgets than ours and we could easily have blown it last Saturday.
To be honest our home form has been decent all season,
11 points from 7 games is good and not relegation form, it’s the away form that’s killing us
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I think the owners need to inject more money into the club to sign a striker and/or more attacking options.
So that will be in January then or are you thinking of another free agent? Out of interest how much do you think should be invested to procure said striker/and or more attackers?
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I think the owners need to inject more money into the club to sign a striker and/or more attacking options.
So that will be in January then or are you thinking of another free agent? Out of interest how much do you think should be invested to procure said striker/and or more attackers?
How about similar investment to local giants Rotherham?
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Wellens talks well, has passion, and has always had that dogged determination to win. Tactically, or his man management? Who knows, its hard to tell these things.
The issue is, the major error he has made is not just signing one or two bad players, but singing a whole squad load of bad-to-average players.
Whoever the manager they are stuck with these players.
The question for the board is now do they (a) give Wellens more investment to get better players or (b) give another manager more investment to get better players.
This is an absolutely critical question because we are currently heading to relegation, and relegation with a few players on 2 year contracts who are not automatically good enough to get us out of league 2.
In isolation his signings aren’t bad players
Knoyle was in league 2 team of the season and he chose us over a few other sides.
Close very good player turned down a new contract with with Pompey to join us
Galbraith done even need to argue that one
Not forgetting o Brien was it that he thought he’d signed from Sunderland.
Injuries have killed us especially Taylor and okenabirhie, they would’ve made a big difference
Excuses, excuses. All clubs have lots of injuries.
Why on Earth are you defending the indefensible?
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Wellens talks well, has passion, and has always had that dogged determination to win. Tactically, or his man management? Who knows, its hard to tell these things.
The issue is, the major error he has made is not just signing one or two bad players, but singing a whole squad load of bad-to-average players.
Whoever the manager they are stuck with these players.
The question for the board is now do they (a) give Wellens more investment to get better players or (b) give another manager more investment to get better players.
This is an absolutely critical question because we are currently heading to relegation, and relegation with a few players on 2 year contracts who are not automatically good enough to get us out of league 2.
In isolation his signings aren’t bad players
Knoyle was in league 2 team of the season and he chose us over a few other sides.
Close very good player turned down a new contract with with Pompey to join us
Galbraith done even need to argue that one
I left the box 'average' open for Knoyle because that's what he is. Close, "very good player", according to what or who? He's a drifter, moves in and out of the game depending on whether he fancies it or not. Completly lackadaisical. Galbraith is a good player in the making.
We're in a dogfight and we need more than this, players who are going to go that extra mile, put their body on the line, or something.
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I think the owners need to inject more money into the club to sign a striker and/or more attacking options.
So that will be in January then or are you thinking of another free agent? Out of interest how much do you think should be invested to procure said striker/and or more attackers?
If the board aren't looking at both what is available now, and what is possible in January I would be seriously worried.
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To add to my last post, we are boring, don't look like winning games, incapable of making a tackle and have no real identity. It just isn't working and I don't see any signs of major improvement after what 15 games now?
Well the home form is definitely improving,
And other than 2 away games we deserved more from Gillingham, Wigan, and especially top of the league Plymouth.
Tuesday is a big big game.
It's slightly improved, depends how you view it. We've played some pretty average teams the last two both newly promoted with smaller budgets than ours and we could easily have blown it last Saturday.
To be honest our home form has been decent all season,
11 points from 7 games is good and not relegation form, it’s the away form that’s killing us
The home form is decent and the points are on the board but we were 1 nil up against Wimbledon and lost. We gifted Pompey a penalty which they missed and we drew. We were shit against both Morecambe and MK Dons apart from the first 15 minutes and somehow managed to nick those games by a single goal. Against Morecambe, Dahlberg should have been sent off and a penalty conceded. We were bossed against Wycombe who barely had to break sweat. Cheltenham should have won despite us being 3 up and they missed a pen. Cambridge didn't have a shot on target yet managed to score and come away with a point.
The point being made is that we have been extraordinarily fortunate to have those home points on the point.
Away from home we have not had the fortune and thus lose every week because we aren't good enough for league 1.
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It looks like we have a good chance of being relegated this season if Wellens remains. He has to go.
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To add to my last post, we are boring, don't look like winning games, incapable of making a tackle and have no real identity. It just isn't working and I don't see any signs of major improvement after what 15 games now?
Well the home form is definitely improving,
And other than 2 away games we deserved more from Gillingham, Wigan, and especially top of the league Plymouth.
Tuesday is a big big game.
It's slightly improved, depends how you view it. We've played some pretty average teams the last two both newly promoted with smaller budgets than ours and we could easily have blown it last Saturday.
To be honest our home form has been decent all season,
11 points from 7 games is good and not relegation form, it’s the away form that’s killing us
I do agree, though the manner of the performances does concern me at home, we don't struggle but don't dominate either and have had a fairly reasonable set of fixtures at home which I think flatters us.
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Wellens talks well, has passion, and has always had that dogged determination to win. Tactically, or his man management? Who knows, its hard to tell these things.
The issue is, the major error he has made is not just signing one or two bad players, but singing a whole squad load of bad-to-average players.
Whoever the manager they are stuck with these players.
The question for the board is now do they (a) give Wellens more investment to get better players or (b) give another manager more investment to get better players.
This is an absolutely critical question because we are currently heading to relegation, and relegation with a few players on 2 year contracts who are not automatically good enough to get us out of league 2.
In isolation his signings aren’t bad players
Knoyle was in league 2 team of the season and he chose us over a few other sides.
Close very good player turned down a new contract with with Pompey to join us
Galbraith done even need to argue that one
Not forgetting o Brien was it that he thought he’d signed from Sunderland.
Injuries have killed us especially Taylor and okenabirhie, they would’ve made a big difference
Excuses, excuses. All clubs have lots of injuries.
Why on Earth are you defending the indefensible?
Not all clubs have a bench full of kids that have never played for us.
And I’d be surprised if other clubs with a similar budget as ours have 5 first team starters out for majority of the season so far
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You can't defend Rovers. Come to think of it, neither can they.
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To add to my last post, we are boring, don't look like winning games, incapable of making a tackle and have no real identity. It just isn't working and I don't see any signs of major improvement after what 15 games now?
Well the home form is definitely improving,
And other than 2 away games we deserved more from Gillingham, Wigan, and especially top of the league Plymouth.
Tuesday is a big big game.
It's slightly improved, depends how you view it. We've played some pretty average teams the last two both newly promoted with smaller budgets than ours and we could easily have blown it last Saturday.
To be honest our home form has been decent all season,
11 points from 7 games is good and not relegation form, it’s the away form that’s killing us
The home form is decent and the points are on the board but we were 1 nil up against Wimbledon and lost. We gifted Pompey a penalty which they missed and we drew. We were shit against both Morecambe and MK Dons apart from the first 15 minutes and somehow managed to nick those games by a single goal. Against Morecambe, Dahlberg should have been sent off and a penalty conceded. We were bossed against Wycombe who barely had to break sweat. Cheltenham should have won despite us being 3 up and they missed a pen. Cambridge didn't have a shot on target yet managed to score and come away with a point.
The point being made is that we have been extraordinarily fortunate to have those home points on the point.
Away from home we have not had the fortune and thus lose every week because we aren't good enough for league 1.
You can’t use fortune for our wins but not use fortune for some of our away defeats,
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To add to my last post, we are boring, don't look like winning games, incapable of making a tackle and have no real identity. It just isn't working and I don't see any signs of major improvement after what 15 games now?
Well the home form is definitely improving,
And other than 2 away games we deserved more from Gillingham, Wigan, and especially top of the league Plymouth.
Tuesday is a big big game.
It's slightly improved, depends how you view it. We've played some pretty average teams the last two both newly promoted with smaller budgets than ours and we could easily have blown it last Saturday.
To be honest our home form has been decent all season,
11 points from 7 games is good and not relegation form, it’s the away form that’s killing us
I do agree, though the manner of the performances does concern me at home, we don't struggle but don't dominate either and have had a fairly reasonable set of fixtures at home which I think flatters us.
By the same token our away fixtures have been very tough.
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Alongside Copps, Wellens is my favourite ever play BUT it just isn’t working.
The football is awful to watch
The signings he’s made are mostly poor. Only Galbraith and Huwula (in parts) have been any where near good enough.
He’s such an argumentative character. Listen to his interviews, he never agrees with the reporter and sounds like he’s constantly looking for an argument. You would imagine he’s similar in the changing room.
It’s just not working and it’s getting to the stage where we need to make a change soon to give the new manger half a chance of turning things around
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All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game
I don’t think I’m a crank but there’s noticeably more reasonable people getting to the end of their patience now. I still say another month.
Do you have a window for when a change should be made or are ok to stick with him come what may?
We’re in a relegation battle,
Our squad is paper thin, we’ve got injuries to players who would walk into the side.
Got to expect a lot of defeats against much better sides than us, sides like Crewe are the ones we’ve got to be beating
Did you go today? I suspect not.
You make some valid points and I agree to some extent that losing to teams who have more quality at their disposal should be expected. I don’t mind losing, the results at Plymouth, Wigan and to some extent Gillingham were disappointing but at least we put a shift in and made the opposition graft for the three points.
Today Rovers haven’t turned up, against a team who have one home win all season we have failed to land one shot on target, have given a larger than expected contingent of travelling fans nothing at all to get excited about. Yes Charlton have some decent players but they are not promotion material and all we saw was a gutless display with no fight or passion whatsoever. This is what concerns me rather than coming away pointless.
Yes I agree Crewe are amongst the teams we should be beating so let’s see what they serve up on Tuesday evening but if it’s the same application as I witnessed this afternoon it will be another defeat without doubt.
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All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game
I don’t think I’m a crank but there’s noticeably more reasonable people getting to the end of their patience now. I still say another month.
Do you have a window for when a change should be made or are ok to stick with him come what may?
We’re in a relegation battle,
Our squad is paper thin, we’ve got injuries to players who would walk into the side.
Got to expect a lot of defeats against much better sides than us, sides like Crewe are the ones we’ve got to be beating
‘Sides like Crewe’.
Can you name me another four? Because given that would be the minimum number in order to finish outside the relegation zone (plus, we’ve yet to play Crewe AND beat them) because I’m struggling to at this moment in time.
Richie wanted to give the club ‘an identity’, like the SOD sides, so he brought in young, technically gifted players who he thought would be able, with their ‘superior technical skills’ be able to outplay the ‘hoofers’ in this division.
In reality what he’s done (& yes I accept he’s been hampered with injuries to more experienced players, had a disruptive pre-season due to covid allied with a farcical transfer window) is pit ‘boy’s against men’ game after game until the inevitable happens, the ‘boy’s’ get ground down by the seasoned hoofers, the physicality & nouse of their opponents nullifying any of the technical abilities this Rovers team can bring into games.
Richie hoped to hit the ground running, stay mid-table then push on next season….as did Gavin Baldwin, David Blunt & the board, unfortunately it hasn’t worked out for (IMO) all the reasons I’ve stated.
There aren’t four sides playing poorer than us at this stage of the season & I very much doubt that will continue to be the case until January by which time we may well be too far out of the running to stay in this division.
The club cannot ‘afford’ to drop into league2 (those who say it might be just what we need, go down, regroup & come back stronger are talking tosh, ask any Brad City supporter), so what to do?
I’ve only ever once before wanted a manager replaced, & I never wanted him in the first instance, Dickov. But I seriously wonder if Richie has what it takes in order to ever fulfill his dream & create a team in the image of SOD’s sides.
The board, owners AND Richie have some serious soul searching to do this week regardless of whether we beat Crewe or not.
I’m afraid it’s not worked for you Richie & we all so much wanted it to.
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So you are saying that we should have expected to be utterly humiliated today? Only I wish you'd said that at 2:30 and saved me watching it.
Genuine question, BST; how on Earth did you manage to watch it?
It's a matter of pride SS. My phosophy had always been that if you can't take the low points, you don't deserve the successes.
I meant how did you manage to watch it when it wasn't on iFollow?
It was on iFollow.
Not in the UK though. You must be out of the country at the moment.
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To add to my last post, we are boring, don't look like winning games, incapable of making a tackle and have no real identity. It just isn't working and I don't see any signs of major improvement after what 15 games now?
Well the home form is definitely improving,
And other than 2 away games we deserved more from Gillingham, Wigan, and especially top of the league Plymouth.
Tuesday is a big big game.
It's slightly improved, depends how you view it. We've played some pretty average teams the last two both newly promoted with smaller budgets than ours and we could easily have blown it last Saturday.
To be honest our home form has been decent all season,
11 points from 7 games is good and not relegation form, it’s the away form that’s killing us
I do agree, though the manner of the performances does concern me at home, we don't struggle but don't dominate either and have had a fairly reasonable set of fixtures at home which I think flatters us.
By the same token our away fixtures have been very tough.
Come out of the weeds and look at the big picture.
Overall we have played 8 top half sides and 7 bottom half sides. 8 away and 7 at home.
We've got 11 points.
We've had an easier that average home run and got roughly average points per game.
We've had a harder than average away run and have our worst return in 92 years.
No real need to analyse it much further than that. Yes we have injuries, but we also have a distinctly limited squad, poorly managed.
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Not a shot on target today, the players who RW have bought in are poor very poor, no one can defend either RW or the board for allowing the club to get into this situation, it’s been a joke ever since the start of the season, piss take on the signing of players, or trying too, RW not been able to get on with senior players, both who are still at the club and the one’s he let go, the board for having the most ridiculous way of recruiting a manager, We need this to change and fast even if we go down the change in the manager and a lot of back room staff as got to happen for the love of the club, supporters are not wanting to pay good money to watch this load of none league shite.
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I think the owners need to inject more money into the club to sign a striker and/or more attacking options.
So that will be in January then or are you thinking of another free agent? Out of interest how much do you think should be invested to procure said striker/and or more attackers?
How about similar investment to local giants Rotherham?
Put a figure on it BB
How much did Rotherham get after relegation last season?
Are they in any debt?
What is their wage bill?
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I think the owners need to inject more money into the club to sign a striker and/or more attacking options.
So that will be in January then or are you thinking of another free agent? Out of interest how much do you think should be invested to procure said striker/and or more attackers?
Attacking options?
They're leaking goals like a sieve, always build from the back. I don't know if it's a defender or a holding player with a bit of bite in midfield that's most urgent but clearly stopping goals going in our own net has to be the starting point.
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To add to my last post, we are boring, don't look like winning games, incapable of making a tackle and have no real identity. It just isn't working and I don't see any signs of major improvement after what 15 games now?
Well the home form is definitely improving,
And other than 2 away games we deserved more from Gillingham, Wigan, and especially top of the league Plymouth.
Tuesday is a big big game.
It's slightly improved, depends how you view it. We've played some pretty average teams the last two both newly promoted with smaller budgets than ours and we could easily have blown it last Saturday.
To be honest our home form has been decent all season,
11 points from 7 games is good and not relegation form, it’s the away form that’s killing us
I do agree, though the manner of the performances does concern me at home, we don't struggle but don't dominate either and have had a fairly reasonable set of fixtures at home which I think flatters us.
By the same token our away fixtures have been very tough.
Come out of the weeds and look at the big picture.
Overall we have played 8 top half sides and 7 bottom half sides. 8 away and 7 at home.
We've got 11 points.
We've had an easier that average home run and got roughly average points per game.
We've had a harder than average away run and have our worst return in 92 years.
No real need to analyse it much further than that. Yes we have injuries, but we also have a distinctly limited squad, poorly managed.
The league table means very little after this many games when you're using it to identify who’s good and who’s poor
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To add to my last post, we are boring, don't look like winning games, incapable of making a tackle and have no real identity. It just isn't working and I don't see any signs of major improvement after what 15 games now?
Well the home form is definitely improving,
And other than 2 away games we deserved more from Gillingham, Wigan, and especially top of the league Plymouth.
Tuesday is a big big game.
It's slightly improved, depends how you view it. We've played some pretty average teams the last two both newly promoted with smaller budgets than ours and we could easily have blown it last Saturday.
To be honest our home form has been decent all season,
11 points from 7 games is good and not relegation form, it’s the away form that’s killing us
I do agree, though the manner of the performances does concern me at home, we don't struggle but don't dominate either and have had a fairly reasonable set of fixtures at home which I think flatters us.
By the same token our away fixtures have been very tough.
Come out of the weeds and look at the big picture.
Overall we have played 8 top half sides and 7 bottom half sides. 8 away and 7 at home.
We've got 11 points.
We've had an easier that average home run and got roughly average points per game.
We've had a harder than average away run and have our worst return in 92 years.
No real need to analyse it much further than that. Yes we have injuries, but we also have a distinctly limited squad, poorly managed.
The league table means very little after this many games when you're using it to identify who’s good and who’s poor
At what stage does it matter? Avoiding the obvious on the last day?
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Dickos,
No, I think the league is firming up now. Currently we are relegation material no doubt.
For me though, it still is too soon to sack the manager. There is still the issue of so many first teamers being out. And there are glimmers of hope playing at home.
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Wellens has to go. End of.
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All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game
I don’t think I’m a crank but there’s noticeably more reasonable people getting to the end of their patience now. I still say another month.
Do you have a window for when a change should be made or are ok to stick with him come what may?
We’re in a relegation battle,
Our squad is paper thin, we’ve got injuries to players who would walk into the side.
Got to expect a lot of defeats against much better sides than us, sides like Crewe are the ones we’ve got to be beating
What and the likes of Charlton you mean? They were in the bottom 4!
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So you are saying that we should have expected to be utterly humiliated today? Only I wish you'd said that at 2:30 and saved me watching it.
Genuine question, BST; how on Earth did you manage to watch it?
It's a matter of pride SS. My phosophy had always been that if you can't take the low points, you don't deserve the successes.
I meant how did you manage to watch it when it wasn't on iFollow?
It was on iFollow.
Not in the UK though. You must be out of the country at the moment.
Wouldn't an ISPN do the trick?
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Since 97/98 I think the only periods of such aimless and hopeless football have come with Dickov back in League One and in particular that run that Ferguson led us on to relegate us to League Two, with the worst game arguably since 97/98 being that away match at Colchester.
It’s really, really bad now. Terrible. Beyond terrible. Aside from Galbraith, every single signing has been either a disappointment or a disaster. There is a lot here that is about as dire as it gets - the total absence of any guts or spine, defending that oscillates between comical and criminal, midfield that was given a training book to read but someone had ripped out the tackling and interception pages, and strikers who were not even allowed a training book.
I don’t see how we can be credibly ditching a manager after a dozen or so games, as truly terrible as this is. We’ve got no other option than to see this through for the entire season.
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Which of the players are impressive with their "technical ability"?
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I think the owners need to inject more money into the club to sign a striker and/or more attacking options.
So that will be in January then or are you thinking of another free agent? Out of interest how much do you think should be invested to procure said striker/and or more attackers?
How about similar investment to local giants Rotherham?
Put a figure on it BB
How much did Rotherham get after relegation last season?
Are they in any debt?
What is their wage bill?
Why should I put a figure on it? What difference or point would that be, seeing as I don't know. It's not my job to know either, it's the club's job.
As for the wage bill, the one I saw a while back put our weekly player's wage bill at around 57K and Rothrhams at around 100K.
Apparently, they are also financially secure.
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All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game
I don’t think I’m a crank but there’s noticeably more reasonable people getting to the end of their patience now. I still say another month.
Do you have a window for when a change should be made or are ok to stick with him come what may?
We’re in a relegation battle,
Our squad is paper thin, we’ve got injuries to players who would walk into the side.
Got to expect a lot of defeats against much better sides than us, sides like Crewe are the ones we’ve got to be beating
What and the likes of Charlton you mean? They were in the bottom 4!
See where charlton are come Easter there’ll be up near the play offs.
Their squad is among the best in the league, Adkins just couldn’t get them going
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I think the owners need to inject more money into the club to sign a striker and/or more attacking options.
So that will be in January then or are you thinking of another free agent? Out of interest how much do you think should be invested to procure said striker/and or more attackers?
How about similar investment to local giants Rotherham?
Put a figure on it BB
How much did Rotherham get after relegation last season?
Are they in any debt?
What is their wage bill?
Why should I put a figure on it? What difference or point would that be, seeing as I don't know. It's not my job to know either, it's the club's job.
As for the wage bill, the one I saw a while back put our weekly player's wage bill at around 57K and Rothrhams at around 100K.
Apparently, they are also financially secure.
Are those official figures? - do you have a link?
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I think the owners need to inject more money into the club to sign a striker and/or more attacking options.
So that will be in January then or are you thinking of another free agent? Out of interest how much do you think should be invested to procure said striker/and or more attackers?
How about similar investment to local giants Rotherham?
Put a figure on it BB
How much did Rotherham get after relegation last season?
Are they in any debt?
What is their wage bill?
I'm sorry but there is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be able to compete with Rotherham. Yes they have a squad well managed from rhe Championship. If they are deemed a bigger club its only cos they are currently better run and more investment in the playing squad over the last 7 or 8 years... the Blunt years.. Blunt by name Blunt by nature. For all criticising Wellens, fully understood given 8 straight away defeats but look at the club.. programme gone downhill and looks cheaper, kit looks poor quality, kiosks badly operated .. squad includes plenty on low value "netto' contracts... Gardener, Barlow for example.. its the hierarchy to look first and foremost at.. Look at Stewart at Rotherham he doesn't have the deep pockets Bramall has but one has a club successfully competing at league one level, the other has one scratching around for a non contract winger to play up front... thats the truth of it... one is a fan of his football club, the other is supporting the local community but the party has been well and truly over for a long time in having a successful football club relative to our history on the pitch. We have a Mike Ashley of an owner.. no interest as long as it breaks even but the bigger picture is performances suffer as do results, crowds dwindle, profits shrink, squad thins in terms of quality, results get worse, crowds dwindle further.. repeat repeat..on a loop.. I have seen nothing in the last year to say the Board are proactively investing to stop the rot... and if they haven't got the money or don't want to invest then let's be honest about it were only heading one way.... back where John Ryan dragged us from...
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Wellens can't get us, going. He can shout and swear at the players all day but he doesn't seem to have the tactical nous to get the players acting as if
they want to win. Most clubs in our poition after 15 games would bite the bullet, admit facts, and change the manager. If they don't then they are simply delaying the inevitable.
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I'm not a fan of sacking managers Willy nilly but it's the manner of these defeats which I find hard to digest. It's the same old excuses week after week , which in fairness had some merit earlier on in the season but are now wearing thin. I'd be happy to give Wellens until Xmas to turn things around but in the meantime sounding out possible alternatives to come straight in if necessary. The head of recruitment needs to step up and identify what personnel we need irrespective of who's in charge
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So you are saying that we should have expected to be utterly humiliated today? Only I wish you'd said that at 2:30 and saved me watching it.
Genuine question, BST; how on Earth did you manage to watch it?
It's a matter of pride SS. My phosophy had always been that if you can't take the low points, you don't deserve the successes.
I meant how did you manage to watch it when it wasn't on iFollow?
It was on iFollow.
Not in the UK though. You must be out of the country at the moment.
Wouldn't an ISPN do the trick?
Is that legal and do you still have to pay?
I would be interested in doing it if so.
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The problems run deeper than Wellens. I do question what his process is for coaching players but the recruitment setup is all wrong. We're signing players Younger's seen on YouTube. There's no sign from anyone at the club that they even acknowledge we're in a mess. What is this long term plan we're working to? I refuse to believe that the wages of Andy Butler, Omar Bogle and Ed Williams are crippling the finances to the point where we could only sign the players we've signed.
I'm just getting increasingly disillusioned with this idea that we're just unlucky. If - when - we go down it won't be down to luck, it'll be down to the higher ups making bad decisions.
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So you are saying that we should have expected to be utterly humiliated today? Only I wish you'd said that at 2:30 and saved me watching it.
Genuine question, BST; how on Earth did you manage to watch it?
It's a matter of pride SS. My phosophy had always been that if you can't take the low points, you don't deserve the successes.
I meant how did you manage to watch it when it wasn't on iFollow?
It was on iFollow.
Not in the UK though. You must be out of the country at the moment.
Wouldn't an ISPN do the trick?
Is that legal and do you still have to pay?
I would be interested in doing it if so.
If he means a VPN it is legal but against ifollow terms of service (but realistically they're not going to do owt). You do still have to pay. It just tricks the system into thinking you're abroad.
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Agree. Piss off Wellens. Absolutely clueless.
Have some dignity and resign tonight. The club are paying you and you don't deserve and are not earning the money!
So who do we get to replace him? Our home form is reasonable. It is away we wer having problems.
No good calling for the managers head after each defeat.
No one wanted him out last Saturday or on Tuesday night.
Sound lets stick to how its going then you absolute moron!
Is there any need for that abuse. I just gave my opinion on the situation.
The only moron is you for using that word. Grow up. Are you not capable of having a sensible debate.
Obviously not.
Abuse! Haha brilliant. I couldnt give a toss pal. You support this sh!t. Good on you. Weve had this out many times before. If you wanna lose you stick to your guns theres a good lad.
If you read my post clever dick I said, who would we replace him with. It was a question. Was that too complicated for you to understand that? The rest of the post was a statement of fact on opinions by others posted on this forum after the Cheltenham and Cambridge matches.
Where have i said in any post that I am happy with our performances. You really need to do your home work before spouting off.
I suggest you go through all the threads over the last week and read all my posts.
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I think the owners need to inject more money into the club to sign a striker and/or more attacking options.
So that will be in January then or are you thinking of another free agent? Out of interest how much do you think should be invested to procure said striker/and or more attackers?
How about similar investment to local giants Rotherham?
Put a figure on it BB
How much did Rotherham get after relegation last season?
Are they in any debt?
What is their wage bill?
Why should I put a figure on it? What difference or point would that be, seeing as I don't know. It's not my job to know either, it's the club's job.
As for the wage bill, the one I saw a while back put our weekly player's wage bill at around 57K and Rothrhams at around 100K.
Apparently, they are also financially secure.
Are those official figures? - do you have a link?
https://salarysport.com/football/sky-bet-league-one/doncaster-rovers/
https://footballleaguefc.com/rotherham-united-2player-wages/
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Nonsense
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I think the owners need to inject more money into the club to sign a striker and/or more attacking options.
So that will be in January then or are you thinking of another free agent? Out of interest how much do you think should be invested to procure said striker/and or more attackers?
How about similar investment to local giants Rotherham?
Put a figure on it BB
How much did Rotherham get after relegation last season?
Are they in any debt?
What is their wage bill?
Why should I put a figure on it? What difference or point would that be, seeing as I don't know. It's not my job to know either, it's the club's job.
As for the wage bill, the one I saw a while back put our weekly player's wage bill at around 57K and Rothrhams at around 100K.
Apparently, they are also financially secure.
Are those official figures? - do you have a link?
https://salarysport.com/football/sky-bet-league-one/doncaster-rovers/
https://footballleaguefc.com/rotherham-united-2player-wages/
So no then. Thanks.
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You're welcome.
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I think the owners need to inject more money into the club to sign a striker and/or more attacking options.
So that will be in January then or are you thinking of another free agent? Out of interest how much do you think should be invested to procure said striker/and or more attackers?
How about similar investment to local giants Rotherham?
Put a figure on it BB
How much did Rotherham get after relegation last season?
Are they in any debt?
What is their wage bill?
Why should I put a figure on it? What difference or point would that be, seeing as I don't know. It's not my job to know either, it's the club's job.
As for the wage bill, the one I saw a while back put our weekly player's wage bill at around 57K and Rothrhams at around 100K.
Apparently, they are also financially secure.
A sweeping statement BB, you should be able to come uo with a figure you have in mind even if it is only what the Rotherham figure is, whatever that may be
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OK then, let's make a sweeping statement! Let's say we need at least the same investment that we had the last time we were promoted to the Championship, one that will hopefully just keep us out of the relegation zone.
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Agree. Piss off Wellens. Absolutely clueless.
Have some dignity and resign tonight. The club are paying you and you don't deserve and are not earning the money!
So who do we get to replace him? Our home form is reasonable. It is away we are having problems.
No good calling for the managers head after each defeat.
No one wanted him out last Saturday or on Tuesday night.
But they are now. It can't be much worse.Agree. Piss off Wellens. Absolutely clueless.
Have some dignity and resign tonight. The club are paying you and you don't deserve and are not earning the money!
So who do we get to replace him? Our home form is reasonable. It is away we wer having problems.
No good calling for the managers head after each defeat.
No one wanted him out last Saturday or on Tuesday night.
Sound lets stick to how its going then you absolute moron!
Is there any need for that abuse. I just gave my opinion on the situation.
The only moron is you for using that word. Grow up. Are you not capable of having a sensible debate.
Obviously not.
Oh my god, pot, kettle.
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All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game
Not really, just fans being realistic.
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We're simply not a sacking club.
The last manager to be sacked wasn't sacked for football reasons, but for business reasons, where someone convinced the board to try something different.
Regardless of whether I want Wellens sacked or not, I just don't think we're going to see him sacked and he sure as heck ain't going to be poached anytime soon!
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The main concern is the crap he's signed. Williams, Dodoo, Hiwula, Knoyle, Cukur, Barlow, Gardener, Smith. All wouldn't have been near our reserve team 2 years ago never mind first team.
2 years ago we were spending a lot more money!
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I seem to remember a lot of fans complaining about not spending a few years ago.
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Agree. Piss off Wellens. Absolutely clueless.
Have some dignity and resign tonight. The club are paying you and you don't deserve and are not earning the money!
So who do we get to replace him? Our home form is reasonable. It is away we wer having problems.
No good calling for the managers head after each defeat.
No one wanted him out last Saturday or on Tuesday night.
Sound lets stick to how its going then you absolute moron!
Is there any need for that abuse. I just gave my opinion on the situation.
The only moron is you for using that word. Grow up. Are you not capable of having a sensible debate.
Obviously not.
Abuse! Haha brilliant. I couldnt give a toss pal. You support this sh!t. Good on you. Weve had this out many times before. If you wanna lose you stick to your guns theres a good lad.
If you read my post clever dick I said, who would we replace him with. It was a question. Was that too complicated for you to understand that? The rest of the post was a statement of fact on opinions by others posted on this forum after the Cheltenham and Cambridge matches.
Where have i said in any post that I am happy with our performances. You really need to do your home work before spouting off.
I suggest you go through all the threads over the last week and read all my posts.
I cant be arsed to read your posts "clever dick"
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We're simply not a sacking club.
The last manager to be sacked wasn't sacked for football reasons, but for business reasons, where someone convinced the board to try something different.
Regardless of whether I want Wellens sacked or not, I just don't think we're going to see him sacked and he sure as heck ain't going to be poached anytime soon!
Dickov was sacked for football reasons surely?
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We’ve played today without 5 players that would be in the starting 11.
We’ve got nobody in the squad to replace them with sufficiently.
A new manager will have the same problem
I think the owners need to inject more money into the club to sign a striker and/or more attacking options.
So that will be in January then or are you thinking of another free agent? Out of interest how much do you think should be invested to procure said striker/and or more attackers?
Enough to steer us clear us away from relegation, the choice is theirs.
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The main concern is the crap he's signed. Williams, Dodoo, Hiwula, Knoyle, Cukur, Barlow, Gardener, Smith. All wouldn't have been near our reserve team 2 years ago never mind first team.
2 years ago we were spending a lot more money!
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I seem to remember a lot of fans complaining about not spending a few years ago.
Irrelevent
Have a look at our wage bill under mCcann and look at it now
Obvious that the players won’t be the same quality
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All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game
Not really, just fans being realistic.
It’s not realistic to sack a manager after 15 games I’m afraid
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It's okay we'll play another shit team at home sometime soon and win and paper over all the cracks.
MK dons, morecambe, Cheltenham, Cambridge are crap are they?
Yes, apart from MK.
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So you are saying that we should have expected to be utterly humiliated today? Only I wish you'd said that at 2:30 and saved me watching it.
Not for the first time this season either.
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We're simply not a sacking club.
The last manager to be sacked wasn't sacked for football reasons, but for business reasons, where someone convinced the board to try something different.
Regardless of whether I want Wellens sacked or not, I just don't think we're going to see him sacked and he sure as heck ain't going to be poached anytime soon!
Dickov was sacked for football reasons surely?
I stand corrected.
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So you are saying that we should have expected to be utterly humiliated today? Only I wish you'd said that at 2:30 and saved me watching it.
People would often have done something different, with the benefit of hindsight.
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All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game
Not really, just fans being realistic.
It’s not realistic to sack a manager after 15 games I’m afraid
Of course it is, if you are losing every single game away from home with no sign of it changing, signing players clearly not good enough, then it is I'm afraid.
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He signed players like Barlow and gardener because we couldn’t even fill the bench.
His main signings have been good signings..
Take 5 players out of any starting 11 and you’re going to struggle when you’ve got a squad as lightweight as ours.
A new manager would still have this lightweight squad with 5 of the starting 11 missing
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'His main signings have been good signings'
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
What a load of shite.
Galbraith is the exception.
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'His main signings have been good signings'
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
What a load of shite.
Galbraith is the exception.
Galbraith will be recalled in January, Man Utd will not want him ruining here
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Not only was it a horror show on the pitch today i thought the away support was appalling. What an absolute set of obnoxious wan£ers on show. Wasnt even there for the football more than half of them.
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'His main signings have been good signings'
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
What a load of shite.
Galbraith is the exception.
You’re the one talking shite my friend
I don’t recall anyone saying the signings of Rowe, close, knoyle, hiwulu, smith, were shite at the time
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'His main signings have been good signings'
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
What a load of shite.
Galbraith is the exception.
You’re the one talking shite my friend
I don’t recall anyone saying the signings of Rowe, close, knoyle, hiwulu, smith, were shite at the time
Rowe is not bad so fair do's. Knoyle is a defender who can't defend. Hiwula is an attacker who can't score. Close has potential but yet to see it. Smith is just shit full stop. Cukur is shit. Need i go on?
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'His main signings have been good signings'
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
What a load of shite.
Galbraith is the exception.
Thing is Dickos is right. But i think that just lends more weight to the argument that the management has been very poor in utilising the players.
Also while individually they mostly good they are too similar. Wellens identified on day one what he wanted in a holding midfielder but signed players who are the complete opposite. That's not a lack of funds it's just bad management in using them which has impacted on the makeup of the team. This and poor coaching are making what are good players look terrible.
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Coppinger was an attacker that didn’t score many, was he shite too?
Knoyle, close, smith are all good footballers, that’s pretty clear.
But lacking in confidence, all 3 will come good
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Wellens has signed 4 defenders that he has chosen. And as a defensive unit, we are as bad at defending routine balls across the box as anything I've seen in 20 years.
That's got bugger all to do with confidence. Either the players aren't good enough for this level or they are not being coached well enough. One or the other. Or both.
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Our defence has been poor for a long time now, we’ve very rarely kept clean sheets for 18 months.
Our last two managers were centre halves!
For me a major problem is we don’t protect the back four, we’ve nobody shielding them, all our midfielders are good technically and good on the ball but they’re all poor without the ball.
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Let me just get this straight then.
Is it the defenders you are saying who are poor or the midfield in front of them?
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He signed players like Barlow and gardener because we couldn’t even fill the bench.
His main signings have been good signings..
Take 5 players out of any starting 11 and you’re going to struggle when you’ve got a squad as lightweight as ours.
A new manager would still have this lightweight squad with 5 of the starting 11 missing
So what, he took on the job warts & all, all managers have to deal with injuries.
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To be honest our home form has been decent all season,
11 points from 7 games is good and not relegation form, it’s the away form that’s killing us
Completely deluded mate. Our home form has not been anywhere near decent. Putting aside the massive luck we've had in some of our games, the home table puts us 17th. That's not decent.
Also doesn't account for some of the other shockers we've had at home like the 6-0 loss to Rotherham which has almost been overshadowed by other terrible performances now.
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'His main signings have been good signings'
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
What a load of shite.
Galbraith is the exception.
You’re the one talking shite my friend
I don’t recall anyone saying the signings of Rowe, close, knoyle, hiwulu, smith, were shite at the time
Come on then, who are his 'good signings'.
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He signed players like Barlow and gardener because we couldn’t even fill the bench.
His main signings have been good signings..
Take 5 players out of any starting 11 and you’re going to struggle when you’ve got a squad as lightweight as ours.
A new manager would still have this lightweight squad with 5 of the starting 11 missing
So what, he took on the job warts & all, all managers have to deal with injuries.
Dear me!
So what?
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'His main signings have been good signings'
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
What a load of shite.
Galbraith is the exception.
You’re the one talking shite my friend
I don’t recall anyone saying the signings of Rowe, close, knoyle, hiwulu, smith, were shite at the time
Come on then, who are his 'good signings'.
Read the thread
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To be honest our home form has been decent all season,
11 points from 7 games is good and not relegation form, it’s the away form that’s killing us
Completely deluded mate. Our home form has not been anywhere near decent. Putting aside the massive luck we've had in some of our games, the home table puts us 17th. That's not decent.
Also doesn't account for some of the other shockers we've had at home like the 6-0 loss to Rotherham which has almost been overshadowed by other terrible performances now.
That’s decent and would comfortably keep us up if we had similar away form.
People keep going on about luck going for us but not all the bad luck we’ve had away from home, offsides that weren’t, penalties that weren’t.
Funny how you’ve included the Rotherham game from that Mickey Mouse cup but not the one we won
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I think the owners need to inject more money into the club to sign a striker and/or more attacking options.
So that will be in January then or are you thinking of another free agent? Out of interest how much do you think should be invested to procure said striker/and or more attackers?
How about similar investment to local giants Rotherham?
Put a figure on it BB
How much did Rotherham get after relegation last season?
Are they in any debt?
What is their wage bill?
Why should I put a figure on it? What difference or point would that be, seeing as I don't know. It's not my job to know either, it's the club's job.
As for the wage bill, the one I saw a while back put our weekly player's wage bill at around 57K and Rothrhams at around 100K.
Apparently, they are also financially secure.
Are those official figures? - do you have a link?
https://salarysport.com/football/sky-bet-league-one/doncaster-rovers/
https://footballleaguefc.com/rotherham-united-2player-wages/
So Aiden Barlow is on £2,500 a week and the Captain Tom Anderson is on £1,600 a week. :woot:
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Let me just get this straight then.
Is it the defenders you are saying who are poor or the midfield in front of them?
Or the inbetween said a million times. .. the holding midfielder.
No point pointing it out every post we can't do anything until Jan. Fingers crossed we get it.
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Wellens has signed 4 defenders that he has chosen. And as a defensive unit, we are as bad at defending routine balls across the box as anything I've seen in 20 years.
That's got bugger all to do with confidence. Either the players aren't good enough for this level or they are not being coached well enough. One or the other. Or both.
Billy I think the players are good enough ,the issue looks like they are to open and we look like are not set up correctly , bostock is a good player but everything through him is slow , we lack a killer instinct Infront of goal and the defence don't look organised and that is down to wellens and his management team ,great player poor manager he needs to go
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Not only was it a horror show on the pitch today i thought the away support was appalling. What an absolute set of obnoxious wan£ers on show. Wasnt even there for the football more than half of them.
What were they there for?
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Agree. Piss off Wellens. Absolutely clueless.
Have some dignity and resign tonight. The club are paying you and you don't deserve and are not earning the money!
So who do we get to replace him? Our home form is reasonable. It is away we wer having problems.
No good calling for the managers head after each defeat.
No one wanted him out last Saturday or on Tuesday night.
Sound lets stick to how its going then you absolute moron!
Is there any need for that abuse. I just gave my opinion on the situation.
The only moron is you for using that word. Grow up. Are you not capable of having a sensible debate.
Obviously not.
Abuse! Haha brilliant. I couldnt give a toss pal. You support this sh!t. Good on you. Weve had this out many times before. If you wanna lose you stick to your guns theres a good lad.
If you read my post clever dick I said, who would we replace him with. It was a question. Was that too complicated for you to understand that? The rest of the post was a statement of fact on opinions by others posted on this forum after the Cheltenham and Cambridge matches.
Where have i said in any post that I am happy with our performances. You really need to do your home work before spouting off.
I suggest you go through all the threads over the last week and read all my posts.
I cant be arsed to read your posts "clever dick"
That says it all.
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He signed players like Barlow and gardener because we couldn’t even fill the bench.
His main signings have been good signings..
Take 5 players out of any starting 11 and you’re going to struggle when you’ve got a squad as lightweight as ours.
A new manager would still have this lightweight squad with 5 of the starting 11 missing
So what, he took on the job warts & all, all managers have to deal with injuries.
Dear me!
So what?
OK then, so what if he has injuries, is that better? doesn't most clubs. He applied & took the job, & signed several poor players. Dear me.
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Our defence has been poor for a long time now, we’ve very rarely kept clean sheets for 18 months.
Our last two managers were centre halves!
For me a major problem is we don’t protect the back four, we’ve nobody shielding them, all our midfielders are good technically and good on the ball but they’re all poor without the ball.
Did those other managers concede 4s & 6s & not gain a single away point, or even look like getting one. No don't think they did.
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Think as a management team they really need to look at Paul Gerrard role as set piece coach with how many we concede
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He signed players like Barlow and gardener because we couldn’t even fill the bench.
His main signings have been good signings..
Take 5 players out of any starting 11 and you’re going to struggle when you’ve got a squad as lightweight as ours.
A new manager would still have this lightweight squad with 5 of the starting 11 missing
So what, he took on the job warts & all, all managers have to deal with injuries.
Dear me!
So what?
OK then, so what if he has injuries, is that better? doesn't most clubs. He applied & took the job, & signed several poor players. Dear me.
You’re just waffling nonsense now,
What do other clubs have to do with us? Our squad is threadbare so to take 5 first team players out is obviously going to have an effect.
What him applying has to do with that I’ve no idea
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We’ve not just had injuries at the start of the season, they’ve continued throughout. Yes other teams have them but I’ve never known a season like this for injuries
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All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game
Not really, just fans being realistic.
It’s not realistic to sack a manager after 15 games I’m afraid
Of course it is, if you are losing every single game away from home with no sign of it changing, signing players clearly not good enough, then it is I'm afraid.
Perhaps the Board are of the opinion that the problem isn't Wellens.
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He signed players like Barlow and gardener because we couldn’t even fill the bench.
His main signings have been good signings..
Take 5 players out of any starting 11 and you’re going to struggle when you’ve got a squad as lightweight as ours.
A new manager would still have this lightweight squad with 5 of the starting 11 missing
So what, he took on the job warts & all, all managers have to deal with injuries.
We all were told this was 'a consolidation season', which, for anyone who can read between the lines means we're reducing the budget. Wellens decided on his recruitment strategy based upon that fact and built a first eleven he believed was adequate to hold us steady in Lg1 for the season. This eleven included some existing players... Anderson, Taylor, Okenabierie, Bogle and others and he filled the remaining slots with the best he could with the funds available.
For the whole of his time here he has been without four or more of his best eleven, and eleven that with a following wind are good enough only to keep us in the Division. And you really think that Wellens should be sacked for the shit show the club is now? With the exception of forcing out Andy Butler I believe he has done his best with the resources and situation he was presented with.
He must be given the time and resources in the January window to strengthen the squad. By then it may not be enough to keep us up but to do anything else would be pointless and stupid.
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I can take being shite. I can take turning up to an away ground knowing we're probably in for a rogering.
What I can't take is a group of players not even looking as though they actually give a f**k about playing for each other or the club. There just doesn't seem to be the effort, or interest to even pretend to put in effort. Wellens just can't motivate them, and if you can't motivate your staff to try and do their job effectively, what use are you as a manager?
Jordy Hiwula for example yesterday. Walked right in front of the travelling support on his way round to the bench. As far as I saw, he didn't even look up and acknowledge that we were there. They just don't care.
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Hiwula is a lazy get though. Probably couldn't be bothered to lift his head up.
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He signed players like Barlow and gardener because we couldn’t even fill the bench.
His main signings have been good signings..
Take 5 players out of any starting 11 and you’re going to struggle when you’ve got a squad as lightweight as ours.
A new manager would still have this lightweight squad with 5 of the starting 11 missing
So what, he took on the job warts & all, all managers have to deal with injuries.
Dear me!
So what?
OK then, so what if he has injuries, is that better? doesn't most clubs. He applied & took the job, & signed several poor players. Dear me.
You’re just waffling nonsense now,
What do other clubs have to do with us? Our squad is threadbare so to take 5 first team players out is obviously going to have an effect.
What him applying has to do with that I’ve no idea
Absolute rubbish, to make it a bit easier. Because when he took the job he knew full well some of the injuries, the budget he had to work with, & the existing players he had to work with. Regarding other clubs do they not have injuries? You make out there is only us, Cambridge had an injury crisis with several players out but they came here & competed, took a point that could easily have 3, your point is just a pathetic excuse.
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Which injuries did wellens know about? I think you’re wrong on that one.
Of course other sides have injuries nobody has suggested otherwise, but for 15 games now we’ve had 5/6 first team players missing, and our squad can’t cope with that.
Look at the bench
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We need to nail this myth that we've had 5-6 first choice players missing all through the season.
We haven't.
First choice XI is probably (with games unavailable through injury/illness in brackets)
Dahlberg (0)
Knoyle (0)
Anderson (2)
Williams (0) (and yeah, I KNOW people will say this should be John, but Wellens doesn't think so)
Rowe (1)
Bostock (3)
Galbraith (0)
Close (2)
Taylor (14)
Okenabirhie (15)
Hiwula (5)
That's a total of 42 unavailable player-matches out of 15 matches. 2.8 per game.
2/3rds of those absences are taken up by players who we knew in August were long term absences, and who we didn't take proper action to replace at the time, before making two late rushed signings with players who frankly aren't up to snuff.
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Wellens had just stated John had been the one player he’d been impressed with at the club and a week later he got injured.
Of course he knew they were injured in august but he didn’t have any money to do anything about it, gardener and Barlow were signings to fill the bench because we had nobody.
Rowe has missed more than one game this season I believe, and close has missed more than 2,
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Tommy Rowe has appeared in 14 league games this season, and Ben Close in 13 league games this season
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Long term we’ve basically had Fej and Taylor out. The rest have missed games as you’d expect through the course of a season.
And yes it matters that other teams will suffer the same if not worse after all we compete with these teams. How can we declare 2 /3 injuries a crisis if others we play against have far more out?
Wellens hasn’t tried to change how we play to adapt to our injuries when we have them or our league position. Maybe he also thinks a couple of injuries mean we might as well not turn up!
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We need to look at injuries/absences to the whole squad though rather than just a perceived starting 11
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Wellens had just stated John had been the one player he’d been impressed with at the club and a week later he got injured.
Of course he knew they were injured in august but he didn’t have any money to do anything about it, gardener and Barlow were signings to fill the bench because we had nobody.
Rowe has missed more than one game this season I believe, and close has missed more than 2.
And when John, Gardener and Barlow were all available, Wellens chose to play the latter two in midfield with Rowe at left back and John on the bench.
Go figure.
As for appearances, you don't have to guess, the data is all on record.
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Agree. Piss off Wellens. Absolutely clueless.
Have some dignity and resign tonight. The club are paying you and you don't deserve and are not earning the money!
So who do we get to replace him? Our home form is reasonable. It is away we are having problems.
No good calling for the managers head after each defeat.
No one wanted him out last Saturday or on Tuesday night.
Take Gary Rowett off our hands. You won't go down but you will be bored to death.
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Agree. Piss off Wellens. Absolutely clueless. Its not like it's entertaining and fun at the minute
Have some dignity and resign tonight. The club are paying you and you don't deserve and are not earning the money!
So who do we get to replace him? Our home form is reasonable. It is away we are having problems.
No good calling for the managers head after each defeat.
No one wanted him out last Saturday or on Tuesday night.
Take Gary Rowett off our hands. You won't go down but you will be bored to death.
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I would tend to agree we can't rely on the injuries excuse at this point. We should be able to adapt to injuries better than this. I can accept it's affecting results to some degree but I still expect us to be competitive. Too often this season we simply aren't competitive, we're leaking goals like a sieve. Even when we were 3-0 up with half an hour to go we still folded under the slightest pressure from Cheltenham and were lucky to come away with anything. What should be a positive result still has loads of red flags. That has nothing to do with Fej and Taylor being out, it's down to coaching.
The thing that hurts the most is that it's easy to play against us. Teams must love it, it's like an extended training session for them.