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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: bigal on October 31, 2021, 11:36:10 am
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Just seen highlights
we need another
goalkeeper
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Either that or a goalkeeping coach.
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Would start with Jones
on Tuesday
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May be give Jones another chance, he was outed after a couple of blunders in Pre Season when to be fair, that's when everybody is a little rusty.
He's got to get his chance sooner or later, might as well be at Crewe or in the Cup games at Scunny.
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What about the 5-6 good saves he made yesterday to keep the score down
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Difficult one this. I can just see the stick that Wellens would get if he picked Jones and we didn't win at Crewe or Scunny.
IMO we should stick with Dahlberg for now but he needs to know that he is seriously underperforming in his all round game. Shot stopping and penalty saves he is the business but his handling is atrocious, he doesn't command the area and his decision making regarding positioning on corners / crosses is abysmal.
Just look at his positioning and panic for the Cambridge goal. Pathetic. No need to be that far out from the near post. Just left the rest of the goal gaping for Gardner to turn it in.
Some of the headers he has conceded from crosses have looked like comfortable saves but then you just see the ball hit the back of the net after their player has headed it. Really poor.
I'd stick with Dahlberg for the next two games but i'd be up for a change of keeper after the Scunny game if we don't have 3 points and are into Round 2.
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Would have been 10 if Jones was in nets.
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May be give Jones another chance, he was outed after a couple of blunders in Pre Season when to be fair, that's when everybody is a little rusty.
He's got to get his chance sooner or later, might as well be at Crewe or in the Cup games at Scunny.
I think Jones would be playing at Scunny however well Pontus was doing.
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May be give Jones another chance, he was outed after a couple of blunders in Pre Season when to be fair, that's when everybody is a little rusty.
He's got to get his chance sooner or later, might as well be at Crewe or in the Cup games at Scunny.
I think Jones would be playing at Scunny however well Pontus was doing.
Well i think that is a mistake. Can't afford a slip up at Scunny. Obviously league points are the most important but to get knocked out at your local rivals who sit bottom of the entire football league wouldn't be a good look.
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May be give Jones another chance, he was outed after a couple of blunders in Pre Season when to be fair, that's when everybody is a little rusty.
He's got to get his chance sooner or later, might as well be at Crewe or in the Cup games at Scunny.
I think Jones would be playing at Scunny however well Pontus was doing.
Well i think that is a mistake. Can't afford a slip up at Scunny. Obviously league points are the most important but to get knocked out at your local rivals who sit bottom of the entire football league wouldn't be a good look.
I tend to agree. The back 5 aren't a unit yet so need as many games as they can. Plus it's a winnable, just need a fortunate draw in the next round and the buzz (and money) from a decent cup run may prove valuable in the short term. Harsh on Jones development I accept.
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I can't understand the stick against Jones. He's not the finished article and hasn't done brilliant in the limited opportunities this season but when given an actual run in the team was very good. Last season Jones kept a lower goals against compared to the expected goals against. This season Dahlberg has a higher goals against compared to his xGA, which would be even wider if he hadn't saved a couple of penalties.
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When posters say Jones to play at Scunnie they mean in the Papa Johns surely?
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When posters say Jones to play at Scunnie they mean in the Papa Johns surely?
Hope so. Wouldn't have a problem with that but not for the FA Cup match. Not worth taking the risk for Wellens for extra criticism if it goes tits up.
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It's going tits up with
Dahlberg nearly every game
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The defence is abysmal though to balance it out.
Dahlberg cost us a point at Accy but also saved us a point v Pomey and helped get us the 3 against Cheltenham with another penalty save and some other fine stops during the second half.
Jones will simply be coming into a side with a shit defence.
Even against Man City U21's they could have scored a hatful and hit the woodwork twice.
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Dahlberg is a decent keeper yes makes a few errors but commands his area well and makes plenty of decent saves
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Something has got to change
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Definitely not the keeper change to Jones.
I think without him every game possibly would have been 4.
We do seem to give the opposition alot of chances.
Even when we have won, it as always felt like the opposition could have scored a few more.
I'm hoping Wellens can sort it, as we look alot better with the ball nowadays. But we come up against a good team and we just get slaughtered.
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Knoyle got ridden like a cuck for the 4th goal.
If you know you're not going to win the ball, you put your body on the line to make sure the attacker does not get a clear header.
Have a look at Olowu's "pass" out for the chance that led to Anderson's clearance off the line.
There's some on here trying to convince the rest of us that these are good players.
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Knoyle got ridden like a cuck for the 4th goal.
If you know you're not going to win the ball, you put your body on the line to make sure the attacker does not get a clear header.
Have a look at Olowu's "pass" out for the chance that led to Anderson's clearance off the line.
There's some on here trying to convince the rest of us that these are good players.
It was Galbraith who was beaten for the 4th. Knoyle had been dubbed 15 mins earlier.
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I've just looked back, turns out it was Vilca (25). Either way I stand corrected.
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I've just looked back, turns out it was Vilca (25). Either way I stand corrected.
Yep you're right. My mistake.
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Just seen highlights
we need another
goalkeeper
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The Charlton fourth goal says everything how many times have we conceded from the ball to the far post, defenders out of position, keeper in no mans land and to make it worse nobody communicating. I can't believe I'm writing this but Wellens just can't get the message through or should he have to.
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I've just looked back, turns out it was Vilca (25). Either way I stand corrected.
Yep you're right. My mistake.
Yep, Vilca and Galbraith are very much alike aren’t they.
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I’m not convinced by Pontus but he’s not got much protection in front of him. As much as I’d love more Donny lads in the team, I wouldn’t put Jones in the team he’s not up to it at this time. Playing him at Scunny could definitely be the writing on the wall for Wellens!
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Pontus makes a big mistake seemingly every game. He’s not a great keeper but he’s better than Jones.
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We really are struggling if folk reckon bringing Jones back in goal is the answer.
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We really are struggling if folk reckon bringing Jones back in goal is the answer.
& Bogle....
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No. There are other problems. Keeper is not too bad.
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I keep saying What is Paul Gerrard doing.
He is the keeper coach and set piece coach. Ex Premier League keeper and it seems to me he is not doing a very good job at either role.
Understatement.
We have had some poor goalkeeping over the last few seasons and our set pieces are atrocious and have been for a long time particularly our defending from them.
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May be give Jones another chance, he was outed after a couple of blunders in Pre Season when to be fair, that's when everybody is a little rusty.
He's got to get his chance sooner or later, might as well be at Crewe or in the Cup games at Scunny.
I think Jones would be playing at Scunny however well Pontus was doing.
Well i think that is a mistake. Can't afford a slip up at Scunny. Obviously league points are the most important but to get knocked out at your local rivals who sit bottom of the entire football league wouldn't be a good look.
Just for clarity, I am not advocating putting Jones in the team at Scunny, far from it.
I am kind of expecting it though.
There does seem to be a swell of support for leaving Pontus out though.
For all the mistakes he makes he does also make many very good saves.
I remember that error at Accy but he went on to make several excellent saves to keep us in with a chance of nicking a point.
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We have largely relied on loan keepers for the last few seasons. Some were talented, some less so. All of them made youthful mistakes, even Dieng (who is not that youthful but hadn’t played much league football before). I would have thought this was one position where you would want your own man as keeper, preferably an experienced one. Now we are no longer playing that absurd tactic of passing out from back, having a keeper who is also a sweeper should not be a priority. We just need a keeper who can block and save, not pass and shoot. If he can throw the ball to someone who can, that is good enough for me.
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I don't know why there is so much crticism of Dahlberg, his skill and expertise in picking the ball out of the back of the net is second to none in this league.
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If you have to make 20 saves a game your going to make a mistake somewhere. He has no protection
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He was only at fault for the 3rd goal yesterday from a great ball in,he will be disappointed he didn’t gather it up cleanly,if only we put sun food ball in like they did yesterday also like the 1st goal the keeper can’t really win in that instance
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We have largely relied on loan keepers for the last few seasons. Some were talented, some less so. All of them made youthful mistakes, even Dieng (who is not that youthful but hadn’t played much league football before). I would have thought this was one position where you would want your own man as keeper, preferably an experienced one. Now we are no longer playing that absurd tactic of passing out from back, having a keeper who is also a sweeper should not be a priority. We just need a keeper who can block and save, not pass and shoot. If he can throw the ball to someone who can, that is good enough for me.
Welllens did say that he wanted his own goalkeeper, but because of how short we were everywhere else he needed to use the budget I. Those positions
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Both 1 and 3 are a bostock problem not the keepers, yet the keeper should have done better when it gets to him.
He has not enough protection, it seems they are all happy for it to go through them because he saves most of them, lazy or not good / quick enough can only be the answers for the outfield players.
If you have 20 saves to make a game you are going to make a mistake at some point