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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: BillyStubbsTears on November 25, 2021, 03:45:20 pm
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Words just fail me.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1463886950704820232
Young men are becoming criminals because Dr Who was played by a woman...
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That’s not really what he said, or the point he was making, though, is it?
There’s a discussion to be had about male/female role models. It’s a shame you can’t get past taking cheap shots.
I wish your words would just fail you.
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That’s not really what he said, or the point he was making, though, is it?
There’s a discussion to be had about male/female role models. It’s a shame you can’t get past taking cheap shots.
I wish your words would just fail you.
You don't read his words though, you 'read between the lines'.
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I couldn’t if they failed him.
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His actual words are f**king stupid. He gives four examples of women taking on iconic roles, ignores the hundreds and hundreds that haven't, and concludes from that that young men are so f**king stupid and impressionable, they are committing crime because there are only bad role models left.
Doesn't help that he has that boring whiny voice of the boring whiny t**t that you desperately want to get to the other side of the table from when you go out for a meal with a customer.
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Belton, now stop arguing. Billy's right.
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I’m f**king outraged
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A Female Dr Who, a Female James Bond, a female Luke Skywalker
f**k it thats me going out on the rob tonight!
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That’s stainy blokes for ya
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A Female Dr Who, a Female James Bond, a female Luke Skywalker
f**k it thats me going out on the rob tonight!
No offence intended, Filo, but I suspect you’re not a young man.
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That’s stainy blokes for ya
I’m going over the bridge to Dunscroft in the Don Valley constituency to commit my superhero induced crimes
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James Bond hasn't even happened.
Female Luke Skywalker is a different character completely.
Ghostbusters are different characters.
Doctor Who is an alien who regenerates as someone else each time.
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We've only got a government full of crooks because Betty Boothroyd became Speaker.
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We've only got a government full of crooks because Betty Boothroyd became Speaker.
That’s quite funny, Glyn. You should try more often.
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We've only got a government full of crooks because Betty Boothroyd became Speaker.
That’s quite funny, Glyn. You should try more often.
But you're not reading between the lines like you claim to.
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The Police just need to go into schools showing films with characters like Maleficent, Cruella De Ville and Nurse Ratched.
It should bring the crime stats right down.
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That’s stainy blokes for ya
I’m going over the bridge to Dunscroft in the Don Valley constituency to commit my superhero induced crimes
Can’t ever accuse you of not being smart Filo
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I blame Margaret Thatcher. As no doubt would Nick Fletcher.
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We've only got a government full of crooks because Betty Boothroyd became Speaker.
That’s quite funny, Glyn. You should try more often.
But you're not reading between the lines like you claim to.
That one - not so funny.
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James Bond hasn't even happened.
Female Luke Skywalker is a different character completely.
Ghostbusters are different characters.
Doctor Who is an alien who regenerates as someone else each time.
If you ask me, Ghostbusters WAS the crime. Horrendous.
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There's a bit of a point to what he says. The way he expresses it and the examples he uses are not necessarily the best but it's hardly a big outrage part of what he says is right.
Kids do need good stable environments with role models. He makes a valid point that masculinity is currently frowned upon in some ways and it shouldn't be. The is right that we don't need to change the gender of many characters (IE James bond though I take issue with Dr who, the essence of that character is fluid). However he does make a point that's fair, there is a diminishing amount of masculinity which is fair to debate.
My company this week has been debating how it can work not to sideline males as part of gender equality etc. It is the right conversation to have for all genders, races, sexual orientations.
Changing characters IE bond for the sake of it is diminishing the point in the first place, there are and should be plenty of programmes with strong female leads (eg the handmaid's tale that touches on this subject in very dark ways).
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The whole thing is depressingly typical of the Tory approach.
"We have absolutely nothing to offer The North. Brexit WILL make you poorer, and we've just shown what we think of you by upping your NI to subsidise Guildford pensioners. "Levelling up" and "Northern Powerhouse" are meaningless slogans. But we think youre so f**king thick that if we wind you up about the Woke lot, you'll vote for us next time round."
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He says words fail him but has to use 86 of them in post number four to try to justify his original post.
Then attacks a blokes voice instead of the point of discussion.
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BFYP.
But he's really not trying to start an intelligent debate on male role models though is he? He's choosing a couple or three high profile cases where woman have been given leading roles, and he's exaggerating that as part of a Culture War sally. It is simply stupid to say, as he does, that there's some sort of effort to push all men out of positive roles, and all that's left are examples of men as sociopaths. Talking in those terms means he's not trying to engage in a sensible debate. Hes trying to wind up people who he reckons are gullible and impressionable.
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He says words fail him but has to use 86 of them in post number four to try to justify his original post.
Then attacks a blokes voice instead of the point of discussion.
At the risk of being labelled a disciple yet again, you would argue black is white if the op said black was black, your constant snide remarks are pathetic
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He says words fail him but has to use 86 of them in post number four to try to justify his original post.
Then attacks a blokes voice instead of the point of discussion.
At the risk of being labelled a disciple yet again, you would argue black is white if the op said black was black, your constant snide remarks are pathetic
They might be to you Filo but then I would expect you to say that.
Sydney will probably be along soon when he gets up.
It is noticeable that bst is becoming more and more outrageous and very often being pulled up by numerous posters for being wrong.
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He says words fail him but has to use 86 of them in post number four to try to justify his original post.
Then attacks a blokes voice instead of the point of discussion.
At the risk of being labelled a disciple yet again, you would argue black is white if the op said black was black, your constant snide remarks are pathetic
They might be to you Filo but then I would expect you to say that.
Sydney will probably be along soon when he gets up.
It is noticeable that bst is becoming more and more outrageous and very often being pulled up by numerous posters for being wrong.
Have you ever thought people are sick of your little gang of cyber bullies, that very few respond to the gang, numerous posters being 3 or 4
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He says words fail him but has to use 86 of them in post number four to try to justify his original post.
Then attacks a blokes voice instead of the point of discussion.
At the risk of being labelled a disciple yet again, you would argue black is white if the op said black was black, your constant snide remarks are pathetic
They might be to you Filo but then I would expect you to say that.
Sydney will probably be along soon when he gets up.
It is noticeable that bst is becoming more and more outrageous and very often being pulled up by numerous posters for being wrong.
Have you ever thought people are sick of your little gang of cyber bullies, that very few respond to the gang, numerous posters being 3 or 4
There are far more than three posters who put him right Filo, but then you know that.
As for cyber bullies, Christ on a bike, you are part of a gang that is far bigger than anything that you are referring to.
I thought it would be bleeding obvious to you.
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There's no end of male role models in the media. Hollywood is still always glamourising overtly masculine traits, it almost never holds back when it comes to things like fighting and guns.
This bloke is picking up on just the couple of rare, high profile examples that have dared to challenge the long held orthodoxy. And suddenly it's a threat to wider masculinity.
I'd say it speaks to a deep seated insecurity. I bet this fella won't wear a pink shirt.
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BFYP.
But he's really not trying to start an intelligent debate on male role models though is he? He's choosing a couple or three high profile cases where woman have been given leading roles, and he's exaggerating that as part of a Culture War sally. It is simply stupid to say, as he does, that there's some sort of effort to push all men out of positive roles, and all that's left are examples of men as sociopaths. Talking in those terms means he's not trying to engage in a sensible debate. Hes trying to wind up people who he reckons are gullible and impressionable.
I don't disagree his point is poorly made but it has some validity. Read his statement on it on his Twitter, which for some reason I can't link to.
Of course in the modern world the usual social media bunch pick up on it and create a bigger story. If he's creating division as you believe then the left on social media have been easily caught in his fishing attempt.
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He says words fail him but has to use 86 of them in post number four to try to justify his original post.
Then attacks a blokes voice instead of the point of discussion.
At the risk of being labelled a disciple yet again, you would argue black is white if the op said black was black, your constant snide remarks are pathetic
They might be to you Filo but then I would expect you to say that.
Sydney will probably be along soon when he gets up.
It is noticeable that bst is becoming more and more outrageous and very often being pulled up by numerous posters for being wrong.
Have you ever thought people are sick of your little gang of cyber bullies, that very few respond to the gang, numerous posters being 3 or 4
Glyn. When he says people, does he mean you and I? We’re both people.
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He says words fail him but has to use 86 of them in post number four to try to justify his original post.
Then attacks a blokes voice instead of the point of discussion.
At the risk of being labelled a disciple yet again, you would argue black is white if the op said black was black, your constant snide remarks are pathetic
They might be to you Filo but then I would expect you to say that.
Sydney will probably be along soon when he gets up.
It is noticeable that bst is becoming more and more outrageous and very often being pulled up by numerous posters for being wrong.
Have you ever thought people are sick of your little gang of cyber bullies, that very few respond to the gang, numerous posters being 3 or 4
Glyn. When he says people, does he mean you and I? We’re both people.
Thats about as pathetic as hounds little hand grenades, and a reason why some people tend to not bother posting any more
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Filo, there are lots of posters who have caused others to stop posting.
I speak to people at Rovers games who have stopped posting because of what goes on on this forum and if I told you the names of the posters that they have stopped because of, you would say I was lying.
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He says words fail him but has to use 86 of them in post number four to try to justify his original post.
Then attacks a blokes voice instead of the point of discussion.
At the risk of being labelled a disciple yet again, you would argue black is white if the op said black was black, your constant snide remarks are pathetic
They might be to you Filo but then I would expect you to say that.
Sydney will probably be along soon when he gets up.
It is noticeable that bst is becoming more and more outrageous and very often being pulled up by numerous posters for being wrong.
Have you ever thought people are sick of your little gang of cyber bullies, that very few respond to the gang, numerous posters being 3 or 4
Glyn. When he says people, does he mean you and I? We’re both people.
Thats about as pathetic as hounds little hand grenades, and a reason why some people tend to not bother posting any more
It’s a serious point, Filo. I’m just trying to get to grips with Glyn’s nonsensical ramblings.
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BFYP.
He wrote a letter soon after that speech in which.
a) He said of course he wasn't saying that Dr Who being a woman led to male crime. Which was interesting, because in his speech he went Dr Who is a woman...therefore no good male role models...therefore male crime. I don't know. Maybe he's not smart enough to follow the causal link he was setting out.
b) He said that it wasn't surprising that boys with no positive male role models could turn to crime. Which I absolutely agree with. The bit where I think his logic breaks down is in saying Dr Who is a woman means there are no positive role models for boys. Because that is an utterly stupid thing to say. And that makes me think he's not really genuine in saying he wants to address the root cause.
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Peppa pig is obviously a big influence on johnson and it goes to prove Fletchers point very well.
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Filo, there are lots of posters who have caused others to stop posting.
I speak to people at Rovers games who have stopped posting because of what goes on on this forum and if I told you the names of the posters that they have stopped because of, you would say I was lying.
Is it the guy in the south stand?
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BFYP.
He wrote a letter soon after that speech in which.
a) He said of course he wasn't saying that Dr Who being a woman led to male crime. Which was interesting, because in his speech he went Dr Who is a woman...therefore no good male role models...therefore male crime. I don't know. Maybe he's not smart enough to follow the causal link he was setting out.
b) He said that it wasn't surprising that boys with no positive male role models could turn to crime. Which I absolutely agree with. The bit where I think his logic breaks down is in saying Dr Who is a woman means there are no positive role models for boys. Because that is an utterly stupid thing to say. And that makes me think he's not really genuine in saying he wants to address the root cause.
He used extreme examples to make valid points, much of which you now agree with despite being lost for words earlier.
You do that all of the time.
Dr Who, James Bond etc as women means FEWER male role models.
As I said earlier, the subject is worthy of debate, despite you telling ‘people’ that this is just another example of Conservative idiocy.
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Can young males not have female role models? The chap is a clown.
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That’s stainy blokes for ya
I’m going over the bridge to Dunscroft in the Don Valley constituency to commit my superhero induced crimes
from what i've heard the taxi prices you charge are criminal. Apparently you walk on foot on all the roads looking for potholes to drive into to nudge up the price on your taxi meter !!
lest we forget
Used to pick some right slappers up in the taxi from their, going back to Dunscroft every Friday night, used to park up near the bus stop and nearly everytime I parked there, there was some young slapper dishing out favours in the bus stop, I even wound the window down once and had a chat with the lad while the slapper was seeing to his needs :)
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Can young males not have female role models? The chap is a clown.
As females are still second class citizens in most modern countries and had to fight to be heard, get the vote, get equal pay we could consider most problems in society and the world as being from the dominant male influence.
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Shocking news of a 12 year old girl stabbed to death in Liverpool by a gang of boys.
It has to be because Dr Who is a woman. Surely? These boys are disaffected because of the gender of Dr Who. :whistle:
Nick Fletcher is a grade A moron sadly. He's an MP. Didn't expect much else tbf.
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As females are still second class citizens in most modern countries and had to fight to be heard, get the vote, get equal pay we could consider most problems in society and the world as being from the dominant male influence.
My missus isn't second class... she tells me regularly - and she certainly doesn't have to fight to be heard. She also votes, and gets double my wage.....
I struggle to assert my male influence on her - which is why I do as I'm told most of the time... :ermm:
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As females are still second class citizens in most modern countries and had to fight to be heard, get the vote, get equal pay we could consider most problems in society and the world as being from the dominant male influence.
My missus isn't second class... she tells me regularly - and she certainly doesn't have to fight to be heard. She also votes, and gets double my wage.....
I struggle to assert my male influence on her - which is why I do as I'm told most of the time... :ermm:
Without a male role model you are in danger of falling into a life of crim :)
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As females are still second class citizens in most modern countries and had to fight to be heard, get the vote, get equal pay we could consider most problems in society and the world as being from the dominant male influence.
My missus isn't second class... she tells me regularly - and she certainly doesn't have to fight to be heard. She also votes, and gets double my wage.....
I struggle to assert my male influence on her - which is why I do as I'm told most of the time... :ermm:
Without a male role model you are in danger of falling into a life of crim :)
I probably wouldn't be allowed out..... :s
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Come o you lot man up and take the blame :)
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I think the main problem with Fletcher’s speech is that he naively opened himself up to the government bashers to ridicule him, and boy they haven’t let us (yes, that’s ‘us’, Glyn - decide what I mean by that but keep it to yourself) down.
There are two separate points: one is the idea that changing a number of characters from male to female will make young men turn to crime - I don’t particularly agree with that.
The second point is the ridiculously woke idea that James Bond and Dr Who et al are male, female, or any other gender you wish them to be.
The male/female character debate is an important one. Yes, people can use the argument that Dr Who isn’t human and James Bond is just a code, but does anyone actually believe that the creators of these and other characters did not care whether their characters were male or female? There are female Time Lords and female spies, just not these two.
When I eventually get to write my novel, if my protagonist is a short arsed, balled, alcoholic with a below average sized penis, thenI would expect him to look just like that in 50 years time when Hollywood cast the 5th actor to play him in the franchise.
For the record, just after my son watched Tommy Shelby and his shenanigans, he became a police officer. Make of that what you will, Nick Fletcher, MP.
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That’s stainy blokes for ya
I’m going over the bridge to Dunscroft in the Don Valley constituency to commit my superhero induced crimes
from what i've heard the taxi prices you charge are criminal. Apparently you walk on foot on all the roads looking for potholes to drive into to nudge up the price on your taxi meter !!
lest we forget
Used to pick some right slappers up in the taxi from their, going back to Dunscroft every Friday night, used to park up near the bus stop and nearly everytime I parked there, there was some young slapper dishing out favours in the bus stop, I even wound the window down once and had a chat with the lad while the slapper was seeing to his needs :)
Great spot. From 2 years before you registered too...
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Nick Fletcher's wife speaks. I defy any of you heartless wokie snowflakes not to be moved by this passionate defence of him
https://twitter.com/RosieisaHolt/status/1464170045861515277
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Nick Fletcher's future.
https://mobile.twitter.com/noelinnes/status/1464168063054532608