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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: ravenrover on December 05, 2021, 02:02:13 pm
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I heard this morning that an announcement will be made on Dec18th, what a coincidence, as to whether a social Christmas will be allowed this year. Is this the day after this years Downing Street fuddle?
With regards to the events at Downing St last year the Met are tying themselves up in knots trying to avoid investigating this breach of 2020 rules.
Wonder what the Bobby on the door of No10 thought at the time as the partygoers rocked up
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If they think for one minute people are going to adhere to any restrictions then they must be off their nut .
Not only the sheer hypocrisy of the government but the fact is people have had a belly full of it and deduced its something we are going to have to live with .
Christmas as normal for me irrespective of what the government says .
B@llax to em .
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Cop a dose of it and see how you feel about it then.
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I love this "We are going to have to live with it" line.
It's the ultimate in "f**k you Jack". What it means is, "I assume I'm not going to die from it, so I'll live with it and tough shite to the tens of thousands who draw the short straw. As long as it's people I don't know, I don't really give a f**k and I'm not prepared to do the bare minimum to protect them."
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Cop a dose of it and see how you feel about it then.
That's fair enough but I could catch it on a bus , at work , shopping or even at Oakwell just the same .
My opinion is we are going to have to live with it it's as simple as that .
I've done everything asked of me for over 20 months and I get my booster jab next Sunday .
I've done my bit and enough is enough now .
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From 1939 there were restrictions for 6 years, some were carried on for a few more years, when was enough enough then?
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I'll be enjoying my Christmas with whoever i want so no thanks Tory filthy hypocrites (with a few exceptions such as Mark Harper et al). Merry Christmas! :P
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Cop a dose of it and see how you feel about it then.
Gladly. Rather die WITH Covid than live in a permanent state of authoritarianism for the rest of my days. Even though over 99.5% of unvaccinated people won't die of Covid anyway.
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Can't see them putting a ban on meeting at Xmas and keeping football going and pubs open
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Cop a dose of it and see how you feel about it then.
Gladly. Rather die WITH Covid than live in a permanent state of authoritarianism for the rest of my days. Even though over 99.5% of unvaccinated people won't die of Covid anyway.
Very well said sir .
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Can't see them putting a ban on meeting at Xmas and keeping football going and pubs open
Have you learned nothing from the Tories this last 20 months? ;) I'd be amazed if they DIDN'T do something so dumb and inconsistent as this.
P.S: Labour are worse. So i'd never thought i'd be thankful that we have the Tories in over Labour.
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From 1939 there were restrictions for 6 years, some were carried on for a few more years, when was enough enough then?
So .......... ??
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I love this "We are going to have to live with it" line.
It's the ultimate in "f**k you Jack". What it means is, "I assume I'm not going to die from it, so I'll live with it and tough shite to the tens of thousands who draw the short straw. As long as it's people I don't know, I don't really give a f**k and I'm not prepared to do the bare minimum to protect them."
Billy you will land at the same point as me the longer this thing goes on .
It's not a question of if but when .
That maybe in two years time , one year or early next year but you will arrive where I am none the less .
This thing will wear you down and affect your mental health because you are a human being the same as I am .
This thing isn't going away anytime soon the same as the flu hasn't gone away and most likely probably won't .
Yes it's worse than the flu for a percentage of the people I get that but for the vast majority it isn't and many don't even know they've had it .
So I'll get vaccinated three times a year and I'll wear a mask in places that lawfully ask me to .
But that's as far as I go now and I will be having the family over for Christmas and boxing day and we will throw a party on new years eve .
And so will you , it's just a question of when .
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I hardly saw anyone wearing a mask at the game yesterday, in the stadium, in the concourse or in the pub afterwards.
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I hardly saw anyone wearing a mask at the game yesterday, in the stadium, in the concourse or in the pub afterwards.
But kids will tomorrow in school corridors. :mad:
Great to see nobody wearing a mask.
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I hardly saw anyone wearing a mask at the game yesterday, in the stadium, in the concourse or in the pub afterwards.
But kids will tomorrow in school corridors. :mad:
Great to see nobody wearing a mask.
Yeah, I understand about kids at school.
I was wondering how many of those people who are telling everyone else to wear a mask were wearing them at the game, or in the pub.
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I love this "We are going to have to live with it" line.
It's the ultimate in "f**k you Jack". What it means is, "I assume I'm not going to die from it, so I'll live with it and tough shite to the tens of thousands who draw the short straw. As long as it's people I don't know, I don't really give a f**k and I'm not prepared to do the bare minimum to protect them."
In a nutshell….yes!
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Cop a dose of it and see how you feel about it then.
Probably have copped a dose at some point over the last 20 months, and not that bothered to be honest!
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From 1939 there were restrictions for 6 years, some were carried on for a few more years, when was enough enough then?
That has to be the daftest response ever…..I take my hat off to you !
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I hardly saw anyone wearing a mask at the game yesterday, in the stadium, in the concourse or in the pub afterwards.
But kids will tomorrow in school corridors. :mad:
Great to see nobody wearing a mask.
Yeah, I understand about kids at school.
I was wondering how many of those people who are telling everyone else to wear a mask were wearing them at the game, or in the pub.
Me
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So that’s one then.
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I hardly saw anyone wearing a mask at the game yesterday, in the stadium, in the concourse or in the pub afterwards.
But kids will tomorrow in school corridors. :mad:
Great to see nobody wearing a mask.
Yeah, I understand about kids at school.
I was wondering how many of those people who are telling everyone else to wear a mask were wearing them at the game, or in the pub.
very few at a guess
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Maybe a few headteachers in the crowd yesterday unmasked but forcing kids to wear them tomorrow maybe? Such fine, upstanding beacons of fairness and equality.
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I hardly saw anyone wearing a mask at the game yesterday, in the stadium, in the concourse or in the pub afterwards.
Hound I haven't seen one person wear a mask inside Oakwell all season .
The thing is I sit in the East Stand upper tier , the concourse up there is extremely narrow .
Leaving the ground it's packed on that concourse as you make your way to go down the stairs , absolute shoulder to shoulder walking at a snail's pace .
The toilets at half time are again packed .
The club recently shut the old West Stand and another 1500 transferred to the East Stand making it more packed .
A mask offers some kind of protection I wouldn't say other wise but in the grand scheme of things it's limited in my opinion .
Pubs on Doncaster and Sheffield road pre match are packed , Manx , Dove , East Dene club , Outpost and The Mount .
But having the family round at Christmas is a selfish thing to do apparently !!! .
I've decided it's not stopping me from doing anything .
We have to get on with things now and learn to live with it in my opinion .
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The Government should either stop and close everything or stop and close nothing. Anything inbetween is just nonsense. Stopping and closing everything is also nonsense but at least it would be consistent and you might be able to understand why they've done it.
They won't stop and close everything though because they know full well that the virus isn't serious enough now to warrant it.
That's why many will ignore the rules. Because they are pure theatre now and not for a public health benefit. They are quite simply laughable and only seen as a joke by many.
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Christ above, where to begin?
CDH. When you get in your car, do you reckon the only two alternatives are to not turn the engine on, or to drive at 100 mph into a wall?
It's PRECISELY because we don't know how bad Omicron is going to be that we have to strike a balance now. Be cautious without unnecessarily shutting everything down. That's the sensible thing to do. If we take no action and it turns out that Omicron is a bas**rd, we are in a world of pain.
If we take massive action and it turns out Omicron is harmless, we've unnecessarily hurt ourselves.
It's really not hard if you calm down and think sensibly.
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I’m in the camp of being cautious but it isn’t too long ago that our anti government poster was telling us that the government should not leave it to the public to decide for themselves what is the right thing to do and that they should offer leadership and tell us.
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Christ above, where to begin?
CDH. When you get in your car, do you reckon the only two alternatives are to not turn the engine on, or to drive at 100 mph into a wall?
It's PRECISELY because we don't know how bad Omicron is going to be that we have to strike a balance now. Be cautious without unnecessarily shutting everything down. That's the sensible thing to do. If we take no action and it turns out that Omicron is a bas**rd, we are in a world of pain.
If we take massive action and it turns out Omicron is harmless, we've unnecessarily hurt ourselves.
It's really not hard if you calm down and think sensibly.
I think those of us who know how the game works now, after having played it for far too long know full well that Omicron is a load of b*llocks and will amount to nothing more than yet another tool to get people to get vaccinated and adhere to more restrictions.
Playing the game isn't nice when one player cheats all the time. So i give up. I'm done with all this rubbish. I suggest you do the same otherwise there will only be one winner.
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The Government should either stop and close everything or stop and close nothing. Anything inbetween is just nonsense. Stopping and closing everything is also nonsense but at least it would be consistent and you might be able to understand why they've done it.
They won't stop and close everything though because they know full well that the virus isn't serious enough now to warrant it.
That's why many will ignore the rules. Because they are pure theatre now and not for a public health benefit. They are quite simply laughable and only seen as a joke by many.
The hypocrisy of this thing is incredible .
Wear a mask on public transport and in the shops .
But thousands upon thousands are crammed in to night clubs and bars every weekend with many obviously under the affects of alcohol or substances .
If you want this thing off the tv and rest of the media every single hour of the day .
Stop bloody complying , complying to a government who don't even comply to their own rules .
A bloody government with an authoritarian agenda none the less .
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I think it’s about time they closed our borders meaning that you can no longer enter Yorkshire!
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I still find it incredulous that after 20 months of this, there are people out there who will let the Tories dictate who they can see and what kind of Christmas they can have.
Last Christmas the Tories were having a party whilst people were dying and giving birth alone in hospitals.
Anyone still going along with what the Tories tell them to do is part of the problem IMO.
But of course they are free to choose. Unlike the rest of us soon enough when life will not be able to be lived unless we sign up to forced jabs, passports and endless masking. Free to choose, unless you don't choose in which case you will have no choice but to choose what they want you to choose.
Cry freedom Mr Hancock? We certainly will be doing so when a lot of us are locked up in our homes for not having a forced medical intervention for which nobody will be put in prison for if it kills one of us.
Now is that murder or manslaughter? Either way, they will wriggle out of it and the relatives of the deceased will be left fighting for justice, and help and support. Because there won't be any.
And if you are unfortunate to have a bad reaction to the jab and it causes you illness, then you have the joy of going to your GP and not only trying to convince them that the jab caused it, for which you will have them laugh in your face, but then you'll have to try and get help from the good old NHS for the injuries caused.
Yep. Best of British with that one.
But what choice do we have?
None.
What a f**king country. What a f**king world we now inhabit.
Have as many vaccines as you see fit. I am not saying the jab is a bad thing. It saves lives and is vital for some people but allow others the freedom of choice to have an alternative view and refuse them. Even if you despise people who don't think like you, freedom to choose is a basic fundamental human right in a western democracy that is now gradually being stolen bit by bit under all our noses.
Just remember that one day, you might be forced by the state to do something you don't agree with or you don't want to do but by then you will not have that choice either. Having no choice is fine when you agree with what you being ordered to do, but one day, that something you are ordered to do might not be to your liking either but it will be too late my friends. Because you have no choice.
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I still find it incredulous that after 20 months of this, there are people out there who will let the Tories dictate who they can see and what kind of Christmas they can have.
Last Christmas the Tories were having a party whilst people were dying and giving birth alone in hospitals.
Anyone still going along with what the Tories tell them to do is part of the problem IMO.
Would you go along with what the Labour party tells you to do?
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I still find it incredulous that after 20 months of this, there are people out there who will let the Tories dictate who they can see and what kind of Christmas they can have.
Last Christmas the Tories were having a party whilst people were dying and giving birth alone in hospitals.
Anyone still going along with what the Tories tell them to do is part of the problem IMO.
Would you go along with what the Labour party tells you to do?
No. They are worse than the Tories. Utter lunatics. Spine of a glow worm. Labour are so irrelevant that it isn't worth mentioning them. They are just a more authoritarian version of the Conservatives.
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I still find it incredulous that after 20 months of this, there are people out there who will let the Tories dictate who they can see and what kind of Christmas they can have.
Last Christmas the Tories were having a party whilst people were dying and giving birth alone in hospitals.
Anyone still going along with what the Tories tell them to do is part of the problem IMO.
Would you go along with what the Labour party tells you to do?
Why do people automatically assume that if someone hates the Tories then they must love Labour? All very odd.
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I didn't assume, that's why I asked!
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I didn't assume, that's why I asked!
Haha sorry BB. ;) :lol:
Yes. Fair point.
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What was it Churchill said? The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute chat with an average voter.
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What was it Churchill said? The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute chat with an average voter.
What do you mean by an average voter Billy ?
Genuine question .
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Not sure what an average voter is, but it's surely better than a below-average one?
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I don't mean anything Tyke. You need to ask Churchill.
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I don't mean anything Tyke. You need to ask Churchill.
He's dead though. Probably within 28 days of a positive Covid test i don't doubt. ;)
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According to the International Churchill Society, he never said it. Maybe it was just a story in the Guardian?
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Looking forward to Christmas. The Grand daughter s 2nd one. And I might get a few presents.
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Got a drawer full of Covid testing kits that my kids school have been giving her since April and we haven't used because we don't test. I'm going to wrap those up and dish them out to people and see what they say afterwards. :lol:
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With a piece of fruit !
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With a piece of fruit !
:lol:
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According to the International Churchill Society, he never said it. Maybe it was just a story in the Guardian?
Thanks BB. I didn't know that. Disappointing how many of his quotes turn out to be apocryphal.
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According to the International Churchill Society, he never said it. Maybe it was just a story in the Guardian?
Thanks BB. I didn't know that. Disappointing how many of his quotes turn out to be apocryphal.
And other than a man for the moment during the war the electorate deduced he wasn't the man to lead in 1945 .
Take the war out of it the man was an imbecile .
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According to the International Churchill Society, he never said it. Maybe it was just a story in the Guardian?
Thanks BB. I didn't know that. Disappointing how many of his quotes turn out to be apocryphal.
And other than a man for the moment during the war the electorate deduced he wasn't the man to lead in 1945 .
Take the war out of it the man was an imbecile .
You mean the 6 year war when people followed restrictions to help save the lives of themselves and others? 6 years and some are bleating today about 20 months!
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According to the International Churchill Society, he never said it. Maybe it was just a story in the Guardian?
Thanks BB. I didn't know that. Disappointing how many of his quotes turn out to be apocryphal.
And other than a man for the moment during the war the electorate deduced he wasn't the man to lead in 1945 .
Take the war out of it the man was an imbecile .
You mean the 6 year war when people followed restrictions to help save the lives of themselves and others? 6 years and some are bleating today about 20 months!
20 unnecessary months!
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Regarding family get together, there's a simple answer for me, & I can't believe no one has mentioned it, testing !
It's easy to ask everyone to do a lateral flow beforehand & go enjoy yourselves.
Merry Christmas everyone !
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Regarding family get together, there's a simple answer for me, & I can't believe no one has mentioned it, testing !
It's easy to ask everyone to do a lateral flow beforehand & go enjoy yourselves.
Merry Christmas everyone !
I just prefer to invite people who are happy to take the risk. We can't be going around testing each time we want to meet with friends. That is a ludicrous state of affairs. But of course if people wish to do this then i've no issue with it. What they do is up to them. I won't be testing and i don't expect anybody i meet with to test either.
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The resistance to testing is baffling. Why wouldn't you test?
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The resistance to testing is baffling. Why wouldn't you test?
We didn't test for influenza. The same approach is needed with Covid or we'll be at it forever.
I was under the assumption that the endless vaccination programme was the key to unlocking the door to all restrictions including testing, masks etc being lifted, but clearly this does now not seem to be the case.
These endless needless restrictions are normalizing health anxiety and uncertainty amongst children and young people which is an issue the NHS will have to deal with in good time. Due to one obsession. As short sighted as it gets.
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The resistance to testing is baffling. Why wouldn't you test?
We didn't test for influenza. The same approach is needed with Covid or we'll be at it forever.
I was under the assumption that the endless vaccination programme was the key to unlocking the door to all restrictions including testing, masks etc being lifted, but clearly this does now not seem to be the case.
These endless needless restrictions are normalizing health anxiety and uncertainty amongst children and young people which is an issue the NHS will have to deal with in good time. Due to one obsession. As short sighted as it gets.
I'm genuinely fascinated with the way you filter out numbers and just keep repeating "It's just like flu! It's just like flu! It's just like flu!"
It is NOT just like flu. What would it take to make you engage with the arguments why that is the case?
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If you knowingly had flu would you take yourself to a get together where vulnerable friends or family were?
The facility is there to know your status regarding covid so why not? It's no hardship imo.
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The resistance to testing is baffling. Why wouldn't you test?
We didn't test for influenza. The same approach is needed with Covid or we'll be at it forever.
I was under the assumption that the endless vaccination programme was the key to unlocking the door to all restrictions including testing, masks etc being lifted, but clearly this does now not seem to be the case.
These endless needless restrictions are normalizing health anxiety and uncertainty amongst children and young people which is an issue the NHS will have to deal with in good time. Due to one obsession. As short sighted as it gets.
I'm genuinely fascinated with the way you filter out numbers and just keep repeating "It's just like flu! It's just like flu! It's just like flu!"
It is NOT just like flu. What would it take to make you engage with the arguments why that is the case?
It is a respiratory virus. Like flu but with more severe symptoms for more people. So flu is a respiratory virus that kills people and Covid is also a respiratory virus that kills people. Until you accept this most simple of facts then it is not possible to discuss why the approach to Covid seems to be different to the approach we have had for flu for the last X amount of years.
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If you knowingly had flu would you take yourself to a get together where vulnerable friends or family were?
The facility is there to know your status regarding covid so why not? It's no hardship imo.
If you are ill with anything. Cold, flu, Covid etc then avoid people. Obvious common sense.
If you are not ill then don't take a test to see if you might be ill and get on with life instead.
If only they put as much effort into inventing a home weekly test kit for cancer detection eh?
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The resistance to testing is baffling. Why wouldn't you test?
We didn't test for influenza. The same approach is needed with Covid or we'll be at it forever.
I was under the assumption that the endless vaccination programme was the key to unlocking the door to all restrictions including testing, masks etc being lifted, but clearly this does now not seem to be the case.
These endless needless restrictions are normalizing health anxiety and uncertainty amongst children and young people which is an issue the NHS will have to deal with in good time. Due to one obsession. As short sighted as it gets.
I'm genuinely fascinated with the way you filter out numbers and just keep repeating "It's just like flu! It's just like flu! It's just like flu!"
It is NOT just like flu. What would it take to make you engage with the arguments why that is the case?
It is a respiratory virus. Like flu but with more severe symptoms for more people. So flu is a respiratory virus that kills people and Covid is also a respiratory virus that kills people. Until you accept this most simple of facts then it is not possible to discuss why the approach to Covid seems to be different to the approach we have had for flu for the last X amount of years.
The approach is different because COVID puts FAR more people in hospital and kills FAR more people than any flu outbreak of recent times.
I honestly cannot believe this needs restating.
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The resistance to testing is baffling. Why wouldn't you test?
We didn't test for influenza. The same approach is needed with Covid or we'll be at it forever.
I was under the assumption that the endless vaccination programme was the key to unlocking the door to all restrictions including testing, masks etc being lifted, but clearly this does now not seem to be the case.
These endless needless restrictions are normalizing health anxiety and uncertainty amongst children and young people which is an issue the NHS will have to deal with in good time. Due to one obsession. As short sighted as it gets.
I'm genuinely fascinated with the way you filter out numbers and just keep repeating "It's just like flu! It's just like flu! It's just like flu!"
It is NOT just like flu. What would it take to make you engage with the arguments why that is the case?
It is a respiratory virus. Like flu but with more severe symptoms for more people. So flu is a respiratory virus that kills people and Covid is also a respiratory virus that kills people. Until you accept this most simple of facts then it is not possible to discuss why the approach to Covid seems to be different to the approach we have had for flu for the last X amount of years.
The approach is different because COVID puts FAR more people in hospital and kills FAR more people than any flu outbreak of recent times.
I honestly cannot believe this needs restating.
It is a minor virus. Even more so for most vaccinated people. Likewise, i can't believe this needs restating.
The measures simply aren't required any longer.
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Both my sons have now had COVID with little systems, just hope next year they are not forced to have the vaccine. I feel they should have the choice
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If you knowingly had flu would you take yourself to a get together where vulnerable friends or family were?
The facility is there to know your status regarding covid so why not? It's no hardship imo.
If you are ill with anything. Cold, flu, Covid etc then avoid people. Obvious common sense.
If you are not ill then don't take a test to see if you might be ill and get on with life instead.
If only they put as much effort into inventing a home weekly test kit for cancer detection eh?
A home test kit for cancer would be great, agreed.
Not really a comparison in this subject though, you can't pass it on as far as I know.
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If you knowingly had flu would you take yourself to a get together where vulnerable friends or family were?
The facility is there to know your status regarding covid so why not? It's no hardship imo.
If you are ill with anything. Cold, flu, Covid etc then avoid people. Obvious common sense.
If you are not ill then don't take a test to see if you might be ill and get on with life instead.
If only they put as much effort into inventing a home weekly test kit for cancer detection eh?
A home test kit for cancer would be great, agreed.
Not really a comparison in this subject though, you can't pass it on as far as I know.
Fair point Spud. Probably i'm being a bit over sensitive about the subject matter.