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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Campsall rover on December 15, 2021, 09:17:50 am
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New Poll as the old one is now defunct. 3 names on it are discarded according to Liam Holden.
I have put 6 names on there although apparently only 5 on the short list. We do not know who those 5 are so still complete guess work.
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Would be surprised if Neil has applied.
Gary Mac looking stronger.
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Would be surprised if Neil has applied.
Gary Mac looking stronger.
Possibly as a coach under a director of football. McClaren or Adkins would possibly fit that role.
But Eustace or Barry must be in with a very loud shout if they are going down that route.
Personally I would let GM carry on with his great work with the youth set up.
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Chris Hughton would be my choice if he were on the list he’s early 60’s so unlikely to be poached & he’s got loads of experience and managed in the top two divisions - however this also means probably not a long term appointment
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Eustace for me if he's applied. However I do wonder if this whole process wasn't just to set GM up as head coach with a director of football. In which case why didn't we just do it?!
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Eustace for me if he's applied. However I do wonder if this whole process wasn't just to set GM up as head coach with a director of football. In which case why didn't we just do it?!
Strong possibility MM
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I thought Gary mc said it was not for him?
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Eustace for me if he's applied. However I do wonder if this whole process wasn't just to set GM up as head coach with a director of football. In which case why didn't we just do it?!
Strong possibility MM
I'm not available....
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He said he could possibly change his mind.
Got the bug and enjoys the intensity, and also the adrenaline shot it gives him on match day with the importance of getting a result.
So his hat is possibly in the ring.
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Eustace for me if he's applied. However I do wonder if this whole process wasn't just to set GM up as head coach with a director of football. In which case why didn't we just do it?!
Strong possibility MM
I'm not available....
Thought it was already a done deal. Got you at 5000/1 waste of money that was then. :)
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Can we all use this thread please with the new poll on it.
Keeps it simple or we are going back and forth from one thread to another.
Thanks
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Neil Harris is a name most of us have not mentioned for a while.
Mush has in another thread.
He could be a contender and if he is would be on the face of it be a very good appointment.
He has done very well at Millwall and Cardiff.
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Neil Harris is a name most of us have not mentioned for a while.
Mush has in another thread.
He could be a contender and if he is would be on the face of it be a very good appointment.
He has done very well at Millwall and Cardiff.
I have now added him to the poll.
Harris is being mooted as the next Ipswich boss
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Neil Harris is a name most of us have not mentioned for a while.
Mush has in another thread.
He could be a contender and if he is would be on the face of it be a very good appointment.
He has done very well at Millwall and Cardiff.
I have now added him to the poll.
Harris is being mooted as the next Ipswich boss
Just seen that 1/3 on.
Think Ipswich is a far more likely destination for him.
Deleted off the poll as no one voted for him up to now. Second thoughts I think he will not have applied for our job.
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Harris would fail on the "play attractive football" part of the job spec.
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Harris would fail on the "play attractive football" part of the job spec.
It will not be him. Although I do think his teams play decent football. Getting the ball into the penalty area is the object of the exercise. You don’t score many goals from outside the box.
I don’t remember seeing his teams launch it. You play to your strengths don’t you.
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Would be surprised if Neil has applied.
Gary Mac looking stronger.
Possibly as a coach under a director of football. McClaren or Adkins would possibly fit that role.
But Eustace or Barry must be in with a very loud shout if they are going down that route.
Personally I would let GM carry on with his great work with the youth set up.
"All four have decent experience in management, backed up in most cases with extensive work on coaching staff. All boast time in charge in the Championship while two have managed in the Premier League, and the others across the EFL."
That rules out Barry sadly :(
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Harris would fail on the "play attractive football" part of the job spec.
It will not be him. Although I do think his teams play decent football. Getting the ball into the penalty area is the object of the exercise. You don’t score many goals from outside the box.
I don’t remember seeing his teams launch it. You play to your strengths don’t you.
Is it not feasible he could have applied for both?
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Neil Harris is a name most of us have not mentioned for a while.
Mush has in another thread.
He could be a contender and if he is would be on the face of it be a very good appointment.
He has done very well at Millwall and Cardiff.
I have now added him to the poll.
Harris is being mooted as the next Ipswich boss
Harris did well for us but was incapable/unwilling to change things around when things got tough. Personally at the time i put it down to inexperience. To be fair he got us promoted and kept us there. Would i have him back? Yes.
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Any manager with Prem experience coming to rovers surely will be in for a shock. In particular around budgets ?
There will have to be some serious management of their expectations from the off.
Otherwise it could be a pretty frustrating tenure for them.
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Darren Moore had PL experience. We've also had plenty of managers with top flight experience as players. I'm sure any manager who comes in will be fully aware of the budget at every stage of the interview process and I'm sure any managers who aren't happy with it won't be put down for an interview.
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"All four have decent experience in management, backed up in most cases with extensive work on coaching staff. All boast time in charge in the Championship while two have managed in the Premier League, and the others across the EFL" (according to the DFP).
Billy Davies
Derek McInnes
Garry Monk
Phil Brown
Nigel Adkins
Simon Grayson
Alex Neill
Chris Hughton
Chris Coleman
Jack Ross
Mick McCarthy
Some of those are out of our price range for sure and some I personally wouldn't want but time will tell :welcome:
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"All four have decent experience in management, backed up in most cases with extensive work on coaching staff. All boast time in charge in the Championship while two have managed in the Premier League, and the others across the EFL" (according to the DFP).
Billy Davies
Derek McInnes
Garry Monk
Phil Brown
Nigel Adkins
Simon Grayson
Alex Neill
Chris Hughton
Chris Coleman
Jack Ross
Mick McCarthy
Some of those are out of our price range for sure and some I personally wouldn't want but time will tell :welcome:
Coleman would be fantastic. But think that would be fantasy.
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OMG Its Phil Brown isn't it. I just know it.
:suicide:
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Phil Brown and the Scottish ones seem the best options to me.
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Grayson, Adkins and Brown would all be decent options...
If it was 2014.
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Out of that list I’m warming to the idea of Gary Mc but only if he has a mentor and concentrates on the coaching (at least for now)
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I'd have Phil Brown in to do some singing at half time but that's about it.
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Having done some research. it has to be Barry. No question about it.
BobG
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I sincerely hope it isn't Garry Monk, his reputation is not good and he had odd ties to an agent that cost him one of his Championship jobs, possibly at Middlesbrough.
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New Poll as the old one is now defunct. 3 names on it are discarded according to Liam Holden.
I have put 6 names on there although apparently only 5 on the short list. We do not know who those 5 are so still complete guess work.
I'd start again if I was you Campsall.
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I sincerely hope it isn't Garry Monk, his reputation is not good and he had odd ties to an agent that cost him one of his Championship jobs, possibly at Middlesbrough.
Always seems to have weirdly acrimonious departures, Monk. Not someone we'd ever want here.
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Surely Eustace (if applied) is on the shortlist having got so close before.
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Surely Eustace (if applied) is on the shortlist having got so close before.
He has never managed at league level so won't be on the shortlist if we are to believe the Free Press description. You can rule out the likes of Eustace, Barry and Buckingham now.
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Eustace turned down the Swansea job so we can dream on.
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Eustace turned down the Swansea job so we can dream on.
He was interviewed when DM was appointed wasn’t he.
So to turn Swansea down suggests he has ideas above his station.
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Eustace turned down the Swansea job so we can dream on.
He was interviewed when DM was appointed wasn’t he.
So to turn Swansea down suggests he has ideas above his station.
If he applied for our job that can't be true. He might just be picky on where he applies.
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Eustace turned down the Swansea job so we can dream on.
He was interviewed when DM was appointed wasn’t he.
So to turn Swansea down suggests he has ideas above his station.
Not that black and white is it? Different aims, expectations, personalities, budgets...
Equally a failure to get the job once doesn't mean never. Situations and people change.
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Eustace turned down the Swansea job so we can dream on.
He was interviewed when DM was appointed wasn’t he.
So to turn Swansea down suggests he has ideas above his station.
He turned down the Swansea job for personal reasons. If he has applied and got an interview for a team in league one and fighting relegation he can’t have ideas above his station or picky.
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Would be some pay cut from managing England, assistant at Man Utd to working for Rovers. Steve Mclaren hahahaha
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Eustace turned down the Swansea job so we can dream on.
He was interviewed when DM was appointed wasn’t he.
So to turn Swansea down suggests he has ideas above his station.
He turned down the Swansea job for personal reasons. If he has applied and got an interview for a team in league one and fighting relegation he can’t have ideas above his station or picky.
Exactly that’s why I was curious about the comment on turning Swansea down.
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New Poll as the old one is now defunct. 3 names on it are discarded according to Liam Holden.
I have put 6 names on there although apparently only 5 on the short list. We do not know who those 5 are so still complete guess work.
I'd start again if I was you Campsall.
Who should we have in the poll then SM I need some help. We have not a clue who the 5 candidates are.
Just guess work. Do you know anything?
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New Poll as the old one is now defunct. 3 names on it are discarded according to Liam Holden.
I have put 6 names on there although apparently only 5 on the short list. We do not know who those 5 are so still complete guess work.
I'd start again if I was you Campsall.
Who should we have in the poll then SM I need some help. We have not a clue who the 5 candidates are.
Just guess work. Do you know anything?
He probs does but then, we'd all be lumping on at the bookies if he was to divulge!
A few cryptic clues wouldn't go amis would they!? Ha.
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I sincerely hope it isn't Garry Monk, his reputation is not good and he had odd ties to an agent that cost him one of his Championship jobs, possibly at Middlesbrough.
Always seems to have weirdly acrimonious departures, Monk. Not someone we'd ever want here.
He’s ex Leeds. Wouldn’t want him bringing his cheating Leeds ways to Rovers.
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Paul Clement just to throw a random name into the mix.
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Paul Clement just to throw a random name into the mix.
Another who wouldn't be a bad appointment.
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I sincerely hope it isn't Garry Monk, his reputation is not good and he had odd ties to an agent that cost him one of his Championship jobs, possibly at Middlesbrough.
Always seems to have weirdly acrimonious departures, Monk. Not someone we'd ever want here.
He’s ex Leeds. Wouldn’t want him bringing his cheating Leeds ways to Rovers.
I wouldn't say no to a reincarnated Billy Bremner.
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No ambition if we recruit GM
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New Poll as the old one is now defunct. 3 names on it are discarded according to Liam Holden.
I have put 6 names on there although apparently only 5 on the short list. We do not know who those 5 are so still complete guess work.
I'd start again if I was you Campsall.
Who should we have in the poll then SM I need some help. We have not a clue who the 5 candidates are.
Just guess work. Do you know anything?
You could always just not bother having a poll?
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I sincerely hope it isn't Garry Monk, his reputation is not good and he had odd ties to an agent that cost him one of his Championship jobs, possibly at Middlesbrough.
Always seems to have weirdly acrimonious departures, Monk. Not someone we'd ever want here.
He’s ex Leeds. Wouldn’t want him bringing his cheating Leeds ways to Rovers.
How many ex Leeds players have played for Rovers over the years. Many of them gave excellent service and were top players for us.
Plus as BST said one of our best managers Billy Bremner was Leeds Captain through those Revie years.
All Leeds cheats were they. But loved when they were at Rovers.
Our dear CBcb you and a few others really need to get some therapy i think. Oh the hypocrisy.
I would not want Monk as our manager. His few months at Leeds must have turned him into a cheat.
No Monk jumps ship at the sniff of another job offer and has achieved little as a manager.
He is not what we need at Rovers imo.
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New Poll as the old one is now defunct. 3 names on it are discarded according to Liam Holden.
I have put 6 names on there although apparently only 5 on the short list. We do not know who those 5 are so still complete guess work.
I'd start again if I was you Campsall.
Who should we have in the poll then SM I need some help. We have not a clue who the 5 candidates are.
Just guess work. Do you know anything?
You could always just not bother having a poll?
Probably that’s the most sensible option. I will not start a 3rd one.
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No ambition if we recruit GM
Really.
Who should we be going after that will not expect Silly wages and a much larger budget to spend than the club can sensibly afford.
Names please.
All you do is post anything that comes into your head which is negative about the club.
Try something constructive for once. So come on let’s have some sensible suggestions.
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No ambition if we recruit GM
So, how many of JR'S seven appointments were ambitious? And where did one of his most successful, and probably most important appointment come from?
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No ambition if we recruit GM
So, how many of JR'S seven appointments were ambitious? And where did one of his most successful, and probably most important appointment come from?
Obviously you mean SOD DBR when you refer to our most important appointment, but it could actually be argued that Dave Penney was the most crucial one.
He got us out of the Conference and out of league 3 ( as it was then, tier 4 ) at the first attempt and then established us as a top half team at our present level over the next 2 seasons.
The jury is out on who was the most important one. But as you say neither we’re on most supporters radar when JR made those inspired appointments.
We need that kind of inspired appointment now. Let’s hope The board pull out a Christmas cracker with this appointment.
This one is going to be just a vital as any this club has made in the last 20 years imo.
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No ambition if we recruit GM
So, how many of JR'S seven appointments were ambitious? And where did one of his most successful, and probably most important appointment come from?
Obviously you mean SOD DBR when you refer to our most important appointment, but it could actually be argued that Dave Penney was the most crucial one.
He got us out of the Conference and out of league 3 ( as it was then, tier 4 ) at the first attempt and then established us as a top half team at our present level over the next 2 seasons.
The jury is out on who was the most important one. But as you say neither we’re on most supporters radar when JR made those inspired appointments.
We need that kind of inspired appointment now. Let’s hope The board pull out a Christmas cracker with this appointment.
This one is going to be just a vital as any this club has made in the last 20 years imo.
Yes, arguably the most important turned out to be Penney. From within, initially chosen to assist Alan Lewer, before being given the job outright after Lewers dismissal.
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New Poll as the old one is now defunct. 3 names on it are discarded according to Liam Holden.
I have put 6 names on there although apparently only 5 on the short list. We do not know who those 5 are so still complete guess work.
I'd start again if I was you Campsall.
Who should we have in the poll then SM I need some help. We have not a clue who the 5 candidates are.
Just guess work. Do you know anything?
I'm sure the names will leak out at some point they usually do.
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New Poll as the old one is now defunct. 3 names on it are discarded according to Liam Holden.
I have put 6 names on there although apparently only 5 on the short list. We do not know who those 5 are so still complete guess work.
I'd start again if I was you Campsall.
Who should we have in the poll then SM I need some help. We have not a clue who the 5 candidates are.
Just guess work. Do you know anything?
I'm sure the names will leak out at some point they usually do.
Tends to be the final 3.
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New Poll as the old one is now defunct. 3 names on it are discarded according to Liam Holden.
I have put 6 names on there although apparently only 5 on the short list. We do not know who those 5 are so still complete guess work.
I'd start again if I was you Campsall.
Who should we have in the poll then SM I need some help. We have not a clue who the 5 candidates are.
Just guess work. Do you know anything?
I'm sure the names will leak out at some point they usually do.
Too late to do another poll though SM. ;) :) Probably just as well.
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New Poll as the old one is now defunct. 3 names on it are discarded according to Liam Holden.
I have put 6 names on there although apparently only 5 on the short list. We do not know who those 5 are so still complete guess work.
I'd start again if I was you Campsall.
Who should we have in the poll then SM I need some help. We have not a clue who the 5 candidates are.
Just guess work. Do you know anything?
I'm sure the names will leak out at some point they usually do.
Tends to be the final 3.
I am hoping there will be 1 stand out candidate from the 5 and a final 3 will not be required but expect they will want 2 interview opportunities from 3 candidates just to make sure they get what they hope will be the best one. Or at least hopefully turns out to be the best one.
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Chris Hughton.
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Mick the brick
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Hoden just tweeted this:
I've tried to avoid getting involved with little hints on here about the manager field. But all I'll say is the current betting market list is way off. Other than Gary McSheffrey, there's only one other candidate listed and he's way down the betting #drfc
Let the speculation commence!
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Hoden just tweeted this:
I've tried to avoid getting involved with little hints on here about the manager field. But all I'll say is the current betting market list is way off. Other than Gary McSheffrey, there's only one other candidate listed and he's way down the betting #drfc
Let the speculation commence!
As long as it's not Aidy Boothroyd..
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Hoden just tweeted this:
I've tried to avoid getting involved with little hints on here about the manager field. But all I'll say is the current betting market list is way off. Other than Gary McSheffrey, there's only one other candidate listed and he's way down the betting #drfc
Let the speculation commence!
As long as it's not Aidy Boothroyd..
It would not surprise me. He was certainly in the list last time around.
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Paul Clement just to throw a random name into the mix.
Another who wouldn't be a bad appointment.
Might end up being pleasantly surprised. Who knows!
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Liam Hoden
I've tried to avoid getting involved with little hints on here about the manager field. But all I'll say is the current betting market list is way off. Other than Gary McSheffrey, there's only one other candidate listed and he's way down the betting #drfc
Stendel doesn't seem to be anywhere and ticks the boxes.
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Can anyone actually find any betting odds?? All the main betting websites don't seem to have our next manager odds on anywhere.
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Can anyone actually find any betting odds?? All the main betting websites don't seem to have our next manager odds on anywhere.
BetVictor.
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No ambition if we recruit GM
So, how many of JR'S seven appointments were ambitious? And where did one of his most successful, and probably most important appointment come from?
Obviously you mean SOD DBR when you refer to our most important appointment, but it could actually be argued that Dave Penney was the most crucial one.
He got us out of the Conference and out of league 3 ( as it was then, tier 4 ) at the first attempt and then established us as a top half team at our present level over the next 2 seasons.
The jury is out on who was the most important one. But as you say neither we’re on most supporters radar when JR made those inspired appointments.
We need that kind of inspired appointment now. Let’s hope The board pull out a Christmas cracker with this appointment.
This one is going to be just a vital as any this club has made in the last 20 years imo.
Yes, arguably the most important turned out to be Penney. From within, initially chosen to assist Alan Lewer, before being given the job outright after Lewers dismissal.
Coming off topic here so expect the forum police won’t like it but anyway…one of us must have an iffy memory, I don’t remember Lewer ever managing Rovers - wasn’t he Steve Wignall’s number 2?
I thought Penney did a caretaker stint at some stage with Mark Atkins (maybe when Snods left?), returned to playing and then became manager when Wignall left.
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No ambition if we recruit GM
So, how many of JR'S seven appointments were ambitious? And where did one of his most successful, and probably most important appointment come from?
Obviously you mean SOD DBR when you refer to our most important appointment, but it could actually be argued that Dave Penney was the most crucial one.
He got us out of the Conference and out of league 3 ( as it was then, tier 4 ) at the first attempt and then established us as a top half team at our present level over the next 2 seasons.
The jury is out on who was the most important one. But as you say neither we’re on most supporters radar when JR made those inspired appointments.
We need that kind of inspired appointment now. Let’s hope The board pull out a Christmas cracker with this appointment.
This one is going to be just a vital as any this club has made in the last 20 years imo.
Yes, arguably the most important turned out to be Penney. From within, initially chosen to assist Alan Lewer, before being given the job outright after Lewers dismissal.
Coming off topic here so expect the forum police won’t like it but anyway…one of us must have an iffy memory, I don’t remember Lewer ever managing Rovers - wasn’t he Steve Wignall’s number 2?
I thought Penney did a caretaker stint at some stage with Mark Atkins (maybe when Snods left?), returned to playing and then became manager when Wignall left.
Was thinking the same. I do seem to remember Dave Penney being Steve Wignalls assistant after Alan Lewer left.
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Hoden just tweeted this:
I've tried to avoid getting involved with little hints on here about the manager field. But all I'll say is the current betting market list is way off. Other than Gary McSheffrey, there's only one other candidate listed and he's way down the betting #drfc
Let the speculation commence!
As long as it's not Aidy Boothroyd..
It would not surprise me. He was certainly in the list last time around.
He refused to change his style of play so instantly discounted. I don’t see any value in offering him another opportunity if he clearly doesn’t fit what we want
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Phil brown anyone? Might be able to get Jon Parkin up front lol.
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No ambition if we recruit GM
So, how many of JR'S seven appointments were ambitious? And where did one of his most successful, and probably most important appointment come from?
Obviously you mean SOD DBR when you refer to our most important appointment, but it could actually be argued that Dave Penney was the most crucial one.
He got us out of the Conference and out of league 3 ( as it was then, tier 4 ) at the first attempt and then established us as a top half team at our present level over the next 2 seasons.
The jury is out on who was the most important one. But as you say neither we’re on most supporters radar when JR made those inspired appointments.
We need that kind of inspired appointment now. Let’s hope The board pull out a Christmas cracker with this appointment.
This one is going to be just a vital as any this club has made in the last 20 years imo.
Yes, arguably the most important turned out to be Penney. From within, initially chosen to assist Alan Lewer, before being given the job outright after Lewers dismissal.
Coming off topic here so expect the forum police won’t like it but anyway…one of us must have an iffy memory, I don’t remember Lewer ever managing Rovers - wasn’t he Steve Wignall’s number 2?
I thought Penney did a caretaker stint at some stage with Mark Atkins (maybe when Snods left?), returned to playing and then became manager when Wignall left.
Think Lewer took over for a couple of weeks when Wignall went on gardening leave due to wife being Ill if memory serves me correctly. It was time in between Wignall and Dave Penney/ Mark Atkins joint manager role they had before DP took sole charge.
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does the rooney rule apply?
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What exactly is “a style of play” in a results based business?
Surely the emphasis is on getting results irrespective of how we get them…..
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No ambition if we recruit GM
Really.
Who should we be going after that will not expect Silly wages and a much larger budget to spend than the club can sensibly afford.
Names please.
All you do is post anything that comes into your head which is negative about the club.
Try something constructive for once. So come on let’s have some sensible suggestions.
Out of the ones you have put in your poll I would go for Adkins if I had too, someone with experience is what we need, I think it will be none of your list. Everyone as a right to post a negative reply if they think it is, why recruit another manger with no experience at all, we need to try get out of this mess we mind ourselves in, your full of positive mists:: we’ll done::
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What exactly is %u201Ca style of play%u201D in a results based business?
Surely the emphasis is on getting results irrespective of how we get them%u2026..
I agree with you on this one. Yes we all want to see free flowing football played with style but at the end of the day that does not guarantee results in this league. Far from it in fact very few teams get promoted playing that way in League 1. Yes there are exceptions of course.
What we need right now is winning football not pretty football. Results Results and more Results and if that means playing a bit ugly at times then so be it.
We need leaders on the pitch, we need players who are going to walk through brick walls for the cause.
We need a great team ethic and team spirit.
Get all those ingredients from January then we will finish above not 4 teams but at least 8 teams.
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No ambition if we recruit GM
Really.
Who should we be going after that will not expect Silly wages and a much larger budget to spend than the club can sensibly afford.
Names please.
All you do is post anything that comes into your head which is negative about the club.
Try something constructive for once. So come on let’s have some sensible suggestions.
Out of the ones you have put in your poll I would go for Adkins if I had too, someone with experience is what we need, I think it will be none of your list. Everyone as a right to post a negative reply if they think it is, why recruit another manger with no experience at all, we need to try get out of this mess we mind ourselves in, your full of positive mists:: we’ll done::
You can post what you wish of course but all I am suggesting is instead of just being critical about a certain person getting the job give some alternative and a reason for it.
You have now done that. :thumbsup:
It’s the constant negativity from the same few people and nothing constructive proposed which some of us find frustrating.
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What exactly is %u201Ca style of play%u201D in a results based business?
Surely the emphasis is on getting results irrespective of how we get them%u2026..
I agree with you on this one. Yes we all want to see free flowing football played with style but at the end of the day that does not guarantee results in this league. Far from it in fact very few teams get promoted playing that way in League 1. Yes there are exceptions of course.
What we need right now is winning football not pretty football. Results Results and more Results and if that means playing a bit ugly at times then so be it.
We need leaders on the pitch, we need players who are going to walk through brick walls for the cause.
We need a great team ethic and team spirit.
Get all those ingredients from January then we will finish above not 4 teams but at least 8 teams.
I've highlighted the key part.
As long as it's not hoofball the whole time that's fine. If/when we get out of this mess then we can't be playing turgid football as that will drive away neutrals and make fans bored.
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What exactly is %u201Ca style of play%u201D in a results based business?
Surely the emphasis is on getting results irrespective of how we get them%u2026..
I agree with you on this one. Yes we all want to see free flowing football played with style but at the end of the day that does not guarantee results in this league. Far from it in fact very few teams get promoted playing that way in League 1. Yes there are exceptions of course.
What we need right now is winning football not pretty football. Results Results and more Results and if that means playing a bit ugly at times then so be it.
We need leaders on the pitch, we need players who are going to walk through brick walls for the cause.
We need a great team ethic and team spirit.
Get all those ingredients from January then we will finish above not 4 teams but at least 8 teams.
I've highlighted the key part.
As long as it's not hoofball the whole time that's fine. If/when we get out of this mess then we can't be playing turgid football as that will drive away neutrals and make fans bored.
Agree. But we need to climb the table first. Turgid football will not achieve that either. We need attacking football because we have to start scoring goals
I don’t see too many clean sheets from this team, it isn’t a defence of Quinn, McCombe, Jones, Spurr with a Keegan in front of them.
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Someone must have lumped a tenner on Paul Clement as he's the new 2/1 fav on Bet Victor.
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No ambition if we recruit GM
So, how many of JR'S seven appointments were ambitious? And where did one of his most successful, and probably most important appointment come from?
Obviously you mean SOD DBR when you refer to our most important appointment, but it could actually be argued that Dave Penney was the most crucial one.
He got us out of the Conference and out of league 3 ( as it was then, tier 4 ) at the first attempt and then established us as a top half team at our present level over the next 2 seasons.
The jury is out on who was the most important one. But as you say neither we’re on most supporters radar when JR made those inspired appointments.
We need that kind of inspired appointment now. Let’s hope The board pull out a Christmas cracker with this appointment.
This one is going to be just a vital as any this club has made in the last 20 years imo.
Yes, arguably the most important turned out to be Penney. From within, initially chosen to assist Alan Lewer, before being given the job outright after Lewers dismissal.
Coming off topic here so expect the forum police won’t like it but anyway…one of us must have an iffy memory, I don’t remember Lewer ever managing Rovers - wasn’t he Steve Wignall’s number 2?
I thought Penney did a caretaker stint at some stage with Mark Atkins (maybe when Snods left?), returned to playing and then became manager when Wignall left.
Think Lewer took over for a couple of weeks when Wignall went on gardening leave due to wife being Ill if memory serves me correctly. It was time in between Wignall and Dave Penney/ Mark Atkins joint manager role they had before DP took sole charge.
Apologies if the detail isn't quite right but the point is only hindsight tells you whether an appointment is unambitious or a cheap option.
I suspect we wouldn't regard Ferguson and Moore as being unambitious or cheap options with McCann perhaps being a shrewd option.
No reason to believe our board will go for anyone other than the best appointment this time too.
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Quite right DBR I’ve faith that they will get it right. Hindsight is brilliant but all we can do is learn from errors and improve. Although drawn out (and frustrating to us) it’s not something we are planning on doing on a regular basis
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Kieran McKenna, Man Utd coach due to be announced as new Ipswich manager.
Hadn't seen his name mentioned previously so shows bookies haven't got that much of a clue these days.
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Someone must have lumped a tenner on Paul Clement as he's the new 2/1 fav on Bet Victor.
Interviews haven't taken place yet so how can anybody be a favourite?
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Wouldn’t surprise me if ex managers have applied. Dean Saunders, Paul Dickov. If Saunders applied I’m sure he would be in the last five ,because of the position he put us in for promotion before leaving us.
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Someone must have lumped a tenner on Paul Clement as he's the new 2/1 fav on Bet Victor.
Interviews haven't taken place yet so how can anybody be a favourite?
He's that particular bookies favourite.
Doesn't mean it's right or wrong.
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Kieran McKenna, Man Utd coach due to be announced as new Ipswich manager.
Hadn't seen his name mentioned previously so shows bookies haven't got that much of a clue these days.
Another club going down the Head Coach route .
Interesting comments from Ipswich fans saying his time at Man U under Jose and Gunnar is not a great advert for the job.
You can have the best technical players in the world but you still have to gell them together into an efficient functioning squad so again it comes down to man management and team spirit, eradicating the egos from the big time Charlie's.
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I still think the way Alex Neil goes about things he would be ideal for us. Of course there are other candidates that could also do a good job.
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Someone must have lumped a tenner on Paul Clement as he's the new 2/1 fav on Bet Victor.
Interviews haven't taken place yet so how can anybody be a favourite?
He's that particular bookies favourite.
Doesn't mean it's right or wrong.
I get that, I’m just trying to get my head around lists of players who haven’t applied for the job and then applying odds to those names.
Is it in the hope that people will put money on?
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Someone must have lumped a tenner on Paul Clement as he's the new 2/1 fav on Bet Victor.
Interviews haven't taken place yet so how can anybody be a favourite?
He's that particular bookies favourite.
Doesn't mean it's right or wrong.
I get that, I’m just trying to get my head around lists of players who haven’t applied for the job and then applying odds to those names.
Is it in the hope that people will put money on?
I believe so! It's as easy as asking the Betting site on Twitter to put them on then go from there.
You'd like to think someone with something about them puts the odds together.
Curtis Woodhouse is currently at 33/1 whereas Clement was 5/1 earlier and is now at 2.
Maybe they've read Hodens article and trying to be ahead of the curve.
Someone else can probably explain it better than me!
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No ambition if we recruit GM
Really.
Who should we be going after that will not expect Silly wages and a much larger budget to spend than the club can sensibly afford.
Names please.
All you do is post anything that comes into your head which is negative about the club.
Try something constructive for once. So come on let’s have some sensible suggestions.
Out of the ones you have put in your poll I would go for Adkins if I had too, someone with experience is what we need, I think it will be none of your list. Everyone as a right to post a negative reply if they think it is, why recruit another manger with no experience at all, we need to try get out of this mess we mind ourselves in, your full of positive mists:: we’ll done::
You can post what you wish of course but all I am suggesting is instead of just being critical about a certain person getting the job give some alternative and a reason for it.
You have now done that. :thumbsup:
It’s the constant negativity from the same few people and nothing constructive proposed which some of us find frustrating.
[/quote be a shit life if we were all the same, when there’s something to write positive if and when, I am sure I and others on here will praise the club (players/manager/board) and post some positive posts
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Mick McCarthy now 3/1 fav,so Sumone has at least put £5 on him
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I heard the 5 were McCarthy, Woodgate, Eustace Gary Mc and Mclaren, however I’m sure others will have variations on 4 of those. Whoever it is will be who the board consider the best for the future
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Mick McCarthy now 3/1 fav,so Sumone has at least put £5 on him
How does that make him fav. I thought someone had lumped £10 on Neill. ;)
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I heard the 5 were McCarthy, Woodgate, Eustace Gary Mc and Mclaren, however I’m sure others will have variations on 4 of those. Whoever it is will be who the board consider the best for the future
If you were right there's some money to be made, one of them isn't even listed in the bookies odds.
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Out of those I would have McSheffrey. Just get somebody above him with vast experience to help him.
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I heard the 5 were McCarthy, Woodgate, Eustace Gary Mc and Mclaren, however I’m sure others will have variations on 4 of those. Whoever it is will be who the board consider the best for the future
Out of that lot i would on paper have McCarthy as DoF with Eustace as head coach.
It as said we will get who the board think is best suited to us. Some will be happy. Some will be indifferent and some will be not impressed and a very few will say sack the board.
Well I for one will back the decision made and get right behind the management in whatever form it takes and the team. :that:
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Mick McCarthy now 3/1 fav,so Sumone has at least put £5 on him
How does that make him fav. I thought someone had lumped £10 on Neill. ;)
he was a bigger price to start with
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Mick McCarthy now 3/1 fav,so Sumone has at least put £5 on him
How does that make him fav. I thought someone had lumped £10 on Neill. ;)
he was a bigger price to start with
I was being sarcastic. :)
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Mick McCarthy now 3/1 fav,so Sumone has at least put £5 on him
How does that make him fav. I thought someone had lumped £10 on Neill. ;)
he was a bigger price to start with
I was being sarcastic. :)
so was I lol,sumone been back and got a refund on Neil as he is 12/1 now
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If the club are encouraging McSheffrey to apply, there is no way they would want or could afford Mick Mc. Entirely different approaches to the game and entirely different experience and expectations.
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I heard the 5 were McCarthy, Woodgate, Eustace Gary Mc and Mclaren, however I’m sure others will have variations on 4 of those. Whoever it is will be who the board consider the best for the future
Out of that lot i would on paper have McCarthy as DoF with Eustace as head coach.
It as said we will get who the board think is best suited to us. Some will be happy. Some will be indifferent and some will be not impressed and a very few will say sack the board.
Well I for one will back the decision made and get right behind the management in whatever form it takes and the team. :that:
I not sure that would work McCarthy and Clemance idea of how football should be played are polar opposites
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if you think you are going to be able to bet even £25 on anybody at even 20/1 to be the next manager at any club "dream on" you can't even get this in the Championship. FACT
"typically" they will give you a fiva at those odd and ask you what you know
gazlaz should back this statement up.
they are "teezer odds" to get info out of any insiders
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I heard the 5 were McCarthy, Woodgate, Eustace Gary Mc and Mclaren, however I’m sure others will have variations on 4 of those. Whoever it is will be who the board consider the best for the future
There is 0% chance of that.
The shortlisted people will mainly be coaches/managers like Coughlan and maybe one off that list (excluding Gary Mac).
We need to be realistic here.
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Kevin Nolan anyone?
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Like I said I think there is only one name we can be sure is on the list
It’s been confirmed however that Coughlan isn’t on it
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McCarthy and McClaren ate big names for us
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McCarthy and McClaren ate big names for us
I would be genuinely disappointed if either of these 2 are amongst the 2 we are interviewing on Monday.
Personally think McClaren has achieved absolutely nothing as a manager and Mccarthy is passed it and would offer nothing to our current group of players. Still think out of the of 3 Mc's available I would prefer the one that's already in position.
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Mclaren achieved nothing as a manager? He won the league Cup with Middlesbrough, took them to a Europen final too... he also managed FC Twente to win the league above Ajax, PSV & Feyenord! He also took Derby into the playoffs...which is all Lamprd managed to do.
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McCarthy and McClaren ate big names for us
I would be genuinely disappointed if either of these 2 are amongst the 2 we are interviewing on Monday.
Personally think McClaren has achieved absolutely nothing as a manager and Mccarthy is passed it and would offer nothing to our current group of players. Still think out of the of 3 Mc's available I would prefer the one that's already in position.
“Personally think McClaren has achieved absolutely nothing as a manager”
Yeah, that’s not true is it. Some of our fans do speak some absolute rubbish.
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I heard the 5 were McCarthy, Woodgate, Eustace Gary Mc and Mclaren, however I’m sure others will have variations on 4 of those. Whoever it is will be who the board consider the best for the future
Out of that lot i would on paper have McCarthy as DoF with Eustace as head coach.
It as said we will get who the board think is best suited to us. Some will be happy. Some will be indifferent and some will be not impressed and a very few will say sack the board.
Well I for one will back the decision made and get right behind the management in whatever form it takes and the team. :that:
I not sure that would work McCarthy and Clemance idea of how football should be played are polar opposites
I put McCarthy and Eustace Steve.
Don’t forget MCCarthy would not be coaching or doing the tactical side.
He is someone with a huge of contacts from many many years of management in the game.
That knowledge and experience would be invaluable to someone like Eustace, Barry, or Gary Mac or anyone else of that ilk.
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Mick McCarthy is not coming here. He has just come off the back of managing in the Championship full time. There is no way we can afford to pay him anything like what he will expect in any circumstances, let alone if we are employing a coach/manager as well. Plus also McCarthy is a manager and was until last month. No sign he wants to now take a totally different career direction and especially not at a side which is fairly good money to go down this season into League Two.
For all this, read also Steve McLaren who in chronological order has been employed at sides in the Championship, Championship, Premier League, Eiredivise, Championship, Bundesliga, Eiredivise, International and Premier League.
These people are not coming here in any capacity.
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I heard the 5 were McCarthy, Woodgate, Eustace Gary Mc and Mclaren, however I’m sure others will have variations on 4 of those. Whoever it is will be who the board consider the best for the future
Out of that lot i would on paper have McCarthy as DoF with Eustace as head coach.
It as said we will get who the board think is best suited to us. Some will be happy. Some will be indifferent and some will be not impressed and a very few will say sack the board.
Well I for one will back the decision made and get right behind the management in whatever form it takes and the team. :that:
I not sure that would work McCarthy and Clemance idea of how football should be played are polar opposites
I put McCarthy and Eustace Steve.
Don’t forget MCCarthy would not be coaching or doing the tactical side.
He is someone with a huge of contacts from many many years of management in the game.
That knowledge and experience would be invaluable to someone like Eustace, Barry, or Gary Mac or anyone else of that ilk.
I could see McCarthy as a DoF to McSheffrey or a couple of the other Head Coach candidates.
A straight forward no nonsense Yorkshireman with vast experience in how to set up a squad, have influence on training and fitness regimes through all the levels and have great contacts and experience in acquiring players of the right type to fit our needs. I think he could be a good fit in that role.
I think it's a bit unfair suggesting McCarthy doesn't fit with the way we want to play. His teams have played good football but you also have to make sure you earn the right to play good football by getting the basics right, setting the bar higher on fitness and conditioning.
Whether he has applied or whether the club have discussed the merit of DoF with him, or anyone else remains to be seen. It certainly would be a big change of direction for us
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Possible scenario:
Omicron runs riot as it is doing at the moment, doesn’t disappear anytime soon, the calendar is thrown in to turmoil maybe suspended. Would it be the best decision to go for the cheaper option, McSheffrey and Sinclair and hold the money back for next season/whenever back to normal?
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Mick McCarthy has never done a role remotely like a Director of Football. He is very much a classic Manager, who leads the team, trains them, sets them up and manages them through games. I see absolutely no reason why he would suddenly want to do that, and as CBCB says, for a club who are well below his usual level. He also has never managed a Yorkshire club in his long career, in fact he has not been employed in our fine county since he left Barnsley as a player in 1983.
I think some have the wrong idea about what a Director of Football is and does. They are not just older managers providing wisdom and mentorship to a young coach. McCarthy, Adkins etc. would probably have no inclination to do such a role when they've spent years as the main figure in management at every club they've been at.
Look at the successful people in these roles at bigger clubs. Fabio Paratici, Marcel Brands, Txiki Begiristain, Monchi, Raul Sanllehi. Most are former players who have moved into more technical director sort of roles to oversee football strategy and development at a club. None are managers, and it is rare that the successful ones ever were your traditional managers.
Steve McClaren is a slight exception to this as he did perform the Technical Director role at Derby recently having been a coach and manager for 20 years prior. But that is by no means common nor was he particularly successful, whether that was down to him or not.
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I would love to see a Steve Mclaren or Mick McCarthy type but not seeingit happen.
Has their stock dropped so much they need to consider jobs like the Rovers?
I'm not sure we were even attracting those sorts in the championship.
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Even though McCarthy isn’t our long term solution, he could give us a couple of years stability which we desperately need.
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Can the board not pick their man, then get someone to stick a huge bundle on him at the bookies to then reinvest their winnings into the playing squad?
I don’t know anything about gambling and bookies but it seems a good way to get some money in…….or is it illegal ?
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Sorry if Iv missed it, but where are we up to with this again please?
Interviews start tomorrow?
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Sorry if Iv missed it, but where are we up to with this again please?
Interviews start tomorrow?
Yes they do.
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I for one have never said that McCarthy or Adkins or any one else would want a DoF role at DRFC or anywhere else or indeed whether we could afford them as well as having a first team coach.
It was muted was it not in the DFP that the board may go down that route.
Now if they did is it not unreasonable that they are the types they would be looking at.
Not saying they are, just possible names being banded about by myself and others.
If they are not on the radar then who will be for that role? I have not seen anyone else suggested.
Personally I think a conventional manager role is the most likely anyway.
As for some the of the comments about McCarthy and McClaren and their style of play not suitable or achievements add up to Zero.
Well I have never heard such a load of tripe in all my life.
So if we appoint say Gary Mac or Eustace then that is ok because they really have not achieved a thing as managers.
I seriously despair at times.
Who the heck do some people think we are likely to get?
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Would someone please explain the term cheap option to me related to us appointing a manager seeing as how we will have disclosed what terms we will pay a manager to the people applying, they are likely to be out of work or looking to advance their careers from a coach at another club and will come with no transfer requirements from us to a third party.
With the wage structure known by the applicants, all starting on the same footing probably as not being in a contracted situation with another club how can one applicant be more expensive than another.
In fact any manager coming to us from recent employment such as McCarthy or Adkins if they were on a fixed term contract or rolling contract that has not expired would possibly be taking a wage cut to get back in the game with us if their wages stop if they get another job with another club.
I find the term confusing, if not a little condescending and stupid. I await explanations with bated breath.
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Brian you will be waiting an awful long time to get an answer to your question I fear.
To me there is picking the right option or the wrong one and by heck without the foresight of being able to see the future you don’t know which one you have got until you see how the team performs.
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Brian you will be waiting an awful long time to get an answer to your question I fear.
To me there is picking the right option or the wrong one and by heck without the foresight of being able to see the future you don’t know which one you have got until you see how the team performs.
That is much like life in general Camps.
So many people lecture others about what they should have done.
Hindsight eh.
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Would someone please explain the term cheap option to me related to us appointing a manager seeing as how we will have disclosed what terms we will pay a manager to the people applying, they are likely to be out of work or looking to advance their careers from a coach at another club and will come with no transfer requirements from us to a third party.
With the wage structure known by the applicants, all starting on the same footing probably as not being in a contracted situation with another club how can one applicant be more expensive than another.
In fact any manager coming to us from recent employment such as McCarthy or Adkins if they were on a fixed term contract or rolling contract that has not expired would possibly be taking a wage cut to get back in the game with us if their wages stop if they get another job with another club.
I find the term confusing, if not a little condescending and stupid. I await explanations with bated breath.
Every appointment is the cheap option to some because there's this weird conspiracy that Terry Bramall is trying to bleed the club dry.
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Can the board not pick their man, then get someone to stick a huge bundle on him at the bookies to then reinvest their winnings into the playing squad?
I don’t know anything about gambling and bookies but it seems a good way to get some money in…….or is it illegal ?
This in the same realm as spot fixing and you could argue collusion.
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Does anyone think any announcement could be delayed with a potential break in football?
Will the January funds still be available if fans aren’t allowed in again?
Would a manager want to come in with what could potentially happen in the next couple of weeks?
Can see it being GM for the foreseeable until there is some stability in the footballing world with this f**king virus again.
:scarf:
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Is there another round of interviews after today’s
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Does anyone think any announcement could be delayed with a potential break in football?
Will the January funds still be available if fans aren’t allowed in again?
Would a manager want to come in with what could potentially happen in the next couple of weeks?
Can see it being GM for the foreseeable until there is some stability in the footballing world with this f**king virus again.
:scarf:
Don’t think it should impact getting a manager the sooner we get one the better even if the season is cut short. Think the Jan funds is a valid point if the season gets canned after we’ve signed players and got relegated anyway it’d be a complete waste.
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Does anyone think any announcement could be delayed with a potential break in football?
Will the January funds still be available if fans aren’t allowed in again?
Would a manager want to come in with what could potentially happen in the next couple of weeks?
Can see it being GM for the foreseeable until there is some stability in the footballing world with this f**king virus again.
:scarf:
I think managers will be more desperate to be employed knowing they can get their name on the payroll somewhere before things go tits! You did get £20 extra on the jam roll with Covid last year but that’s stopped for now.
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Would someone please explain the term cheap option to me related to us appointing a manager seeing as how we will have disclosed what terms we will pay a manager to the people applying, they are likely to be out of work or looking to advance their careers from a coach at another club and will come with no transfer requirements from us to a third party.
With the wage structure known by the applicants, all starting on the same footing probably as not being in a contracted situation with another club how can one applicant be more expensive than another.
In fact any manager coming to us from recent employment such as McCarthy or Adkins if they were on a fixed term contract or rolling contract that has not expired would possibly be taking a wage cut to get back in the game with us if their wages stop if they get another job with another club.
I find the term confusing, if not a little condescending and stupid. I await explanations with bated breath.
Every appointment is the cheap option to some because there's this weird conspiracy that Terry Bramall is trying to bleed the club dry.
Bramallovic, with respect.
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Well the next steps to the end game will be taking part this week and all the guess work can come to an end soon with all we can do will be to get fully behind them and hope that as well as being good at the job we will be employing them to do they are good personalities and carry a bit of good luck along with them.
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Would someone please explain the term cheap option to me related to us appointing a manager seeing as how we will have disclosed what terms we will pay a manager to the people applying, they are likely to be out of work or looking to advance their careers from a coach at another club and will come with no transfer requirements from us to a third party.
With the wage structure known by the applicants, all starting on the same footing probably as not being in a contracted situation with another club how can one applicant be more expensive than another.
In fact any manager coming to us from recent employment such as McCarthy or Adkins if they were on a fixed term contract or rolling contract that has not expired would possibly be taking a wage cut to get back in the game with us if their wages stop if they get another job with another club.
I find the term confusing, if not a little condescending and stupid. I await explanations with bated breath.
Every appointment is the cheap option to some because there's this weird conspiracy that Terry Bramall is trying to bleed the club dry.
Bramallovic, with respect.
Compared to Abramavich he is a pauper.
It is a pity TB is not a massive Rovers fan, yes I am sure he as become a fan and takes a very serious interest in the results. Well of course he does. When we win his Rovers flag is on full mast at his house.
Point I am making is if some of us had his wealth we would possibly or probably be prepared to lose more money than he is prepared to do.
If I was worth 500 million + then what’s 50 million, that would be my attitude because I am a die hard fan who is desperate to see the club progress.
This is not a criticism of TB as it is his money and he runs the club prudently and not recklessly as so many owners do.
Having said what I have, he has probably lost 25 million or more of his money since he joined JR some 14/15 years ago.
But if more had been invested earlier would he have needed to fund the club so heavily each year.
That is an unknown of course but if we had stayed in the championship in 2012 could we have stayed there continuously with that investment in the team.
Average Gates of 11/12.000 more commercial revenue etc etc.
Just a conversation topic for us as not much happening at the moment as we wait all for our new manager to be disclosed.
But would I rather have TB being our benefactor or say Chaneri, Mel Morris, Peter Ridsdale, or a host of other foreign owners then the answer is the former of course.
We have a great deal to be thankful for.
Yes this should have gone on a new thread really.
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Would someone please explain the term cheap option to me related to us appointing a manager seeing as how we will have disclosed what terms we will pay a manager to the people applying, they are likely to be out of work or looking to advance their careers from a coach at another club and will come with no transfer requirements from us to a third party.
With the wage structure known by the applicants, all starting on the same footing probably as not being in a contracted situation with another club how can one applicant be more expensive than another.
In fact any manager coming to us from recent employment such as McCarthy or Adkins if they were on a fixed term contract or rolling contract that has not expired would possibly be taking a wage cut to get back in the game with us if their wages stop if they get another job with another club.
I find the term confusing, if not a little condescending and stupid. I await explanations with bated breath.
Every appointment is the cheap option to some because there's this weird conspiracy that Terry Bramall is trying to bleed the club dry.
Bramallovic, with respect.
Compared to Abramavich he is a pauper.
It is a pity TB is not a massive Rovers fan, yes I am sure he as become a fan and takes a very serious interest in the results. Well of course he does. When we win his Rovers flag is on full mast at his house.
Point I am making is if some of us had his wealth we would possibly or probably be prepared to lose more money than he is prepared to do.
If I was worth 500 million + then what’s 50 million, that would be my attitude because I am a die hard fan who is desperate to see the club progress.
This is not a criticism of TB as it is his money and he runs the club prudently and not recklessly as so many owners do.
Having said what I have, he has probably lost 25 million or more of his money since he joined JR some 14/15 years ago.
But if more had been invested earlier would he have needed to fund the club so heavily each year.
That is an unknown of course but if we had stayed in the championship in 2012 could we have stayed there continuously with that investment in the team.
Average Gates of 11/12.000 more commercial revenue etc etc.
Just a conversation topic for us as not much happening at the moment as we wait all for our new manager to be disclosed.
But would I rather have TB being our benefactor or say Chaneri, Mel Morris, Peter Ridsdale, or a host of other foreign owners then the answer is the former of course.
We have a great deal to be thankful for.
Yes this should have gone on a new thread really.
I think that is where it can be slightly misleading is when you say he is 'worth' 500 million. Just because he is worth 500 million doesn't mean he has 500 million in pure cash ready to spend.
Obviously some people are different like me I'd probably be prepared to lose a bit but where do you stop? JR found that out Football isn't a cheap business to invest in and unfortunately to some fans it is never enough even though they are effectively telling someone how to spend their money.
The problem being in the Championship you are expected to pay 'Championship' wages not 'League One' wages and it then becomes a difficult task to attract players. The wage bill had supposedly got to 9 million pounds per year and I don't believe we get the required attendances to sustain a Championship outfit. We have never really sold the Keepmoat out that many times and I think it was Sheffield United I went to with a relative first game of the reason and you could just tell the atmosphere is so much better because the stadium is a lot more fuller than ours.
I think the model we need to go on is what we kind of got going under Darren Ferguson a few years ago, shrewd signings like Marquis and Whiteman and then sell on for profit. Re-invest in more. Then sell again etc.
TB may also have other interests he pursues in. You don't know the make up of his family. In the MTO event he mentioned having a wife, daughter, grandchildren. He maybe wants to leave some of his wealth to them which you'd imagine would be the case so they can live a comfortable life later on.
He also said his immediate family aren't interested in Football so I believe the way he is running the club is so when he does eventually past it over which in my personal view from what he said his family probably will then it will be set up to be self-sufficient.
I do believe though a lot fans will reflect when TB eventually isn't a benefactor anymore and whom have wanted rid of him and will think they wish he was still here when that time comes.
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TB gives an awful lot to local charities and other causes that he feels passionate about. He's big into the God squad so does a lot with religious causes I believe.
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Would someone please explain the term cheap option to me related to us appointing a manager seeing as how we will have disclosed what terms we will pay a manager to the people applying, they are likely to be out of work or looking to advance their careers from a coach at another club and will come with no transfer requirements from us to a third party.
With the wage structure known by the applicants, all starting on the same footing probably as not being in a contracted situation with another club how can one applicant be more expensive than another.
In fact any manager coming to us from recent employment such as McCarthy or Adkins if they were on a fixed term contract or rolling contract that has not expired would possibly be taking a wage cut to get back in the game with us if their wages stop if they get another job with another club.
I find the term confusing, if not a little condescending and stupid. I await explanations with bated breath.
Every appointment is the cheap option to some because there's this weird conspiracy that Terry Bramall is trying to bleed the club dry.
Bramallovic, with respect.
Compared to Abramavich he is a pauper.
It is a pity TB is not a massive Rovers fan, yes I am sure he as become a fan and takes a very serious interest in the results. Well of course he does. When we win his Rovers flag is on full mast at his house.
Point I am making is if some of us had his wealth we would possibly or probably be prepared to lose more money than he is prepared to do.
If I was worth 500 million + then what%u2019s 50 million, that would be my attitude because I am a die hard fan who is desperate to see the club progress.
This is not a criticism of TB as it is his money and he runs the club prudently and not recklessly as so many owners do.
Having said what I have, he has probably lost 25 million or more of his money since he joined JR some 14/15 years ago.
But if more had been invested earlier would he have needed to fund the club so heavily each year.
That is an unknown of course but if we had stayed in the championship in 2012 could we have stayed there continuously with that investment in the team.
Average Gates of 11/12.000 more commercial revenue etc etc.
Just a conversation topic for us as not much happening at the moment as we wait all for our new manager to be disclosed.
But would I rather have TB being our benefactor or say Chaneri, Mel Morris, Peter Ridsdale, or a host of other foreign owners then the answer is the former of course.
We have a great deal to be thankful for.
Yes this should have gone on a new thread really.
I think that is where it can be slightly misleading is when you say he is 'worth' 500 million. Just because he is worth 500 million doesn't mean he has 500 million in pure cash ready to spend.
Obviously some people are different like me I'd probably be prepared to lose a bit but where do you stop? JR found that out Football isn't a cheap business to invest in and unfortunately to some fans it is never enough even though they are effectively telling someone how to spend their money.
The problem being in the Championship you are expected to pay 'Championship' wages not 'League One' wages and it then becomes a difficult task to attract players. The wage bill had supposedly got to 9 million pounds per year and I don't believe we get the required attendances to sustain a Championship outfit. We have never really sold the Keepmoat out that many times and I think it was Sheffield United I went to with a relative first game of the reason and you could just tell the atmosphere is so much better because the stadium is a lot more fuller than ours.
I think the model we need to go on is what we kind of got going under Darren Ferguson a few years ago, shrewd signings like Marquis and Whiteman and then sell on for profit. Re-invest in more. Then sell again etc.
TB may also have other interests he pursues in. You don't know the make up of his family. In the MTO event he mentioned having a wife, daughter, grandchildren. He maybe wants to leave some of his wealth to them which you'd imagine would be the case so they can live a comfortable life later on.
He also said his immediate family aren't interested in Football so I believe the way he is running the club is so when he does eventually past it over which in my personal view from what he said his family probably will then it will be set up to be self-sufficient.
I do believe though a lot fans will reflect when TB eventually isn't a benefactor anymore and whom have wanted rid of him and will think they wish he was still here when that time comes.
Nothing on there I disagree with. Yes he will not have have 500 million + liquid of course.
Luton are establishing themselves as a championship club on gates of 10,000 as their decrepit stadium only holds that number. They must be well down on commercial revenue from hospitality being at Kenilworth road
Doing something right down there in Bedfordshire.
Preston ave gate only around 12,000 Millwall 12,000 Barnsley 13,000 so it can be done
Having a good manager and recruitment i is the key. Selling players on for substantial profits and re investing well as was mentioned. The youth system is vital and as Brian (Selby) keeps saying we need a development team playing a minimum 25/ 30 games a season preferably in a league.
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Blackburn gates down to 12.000 this season. Even QPR under 13.000
Yes QPR have wealthy owners. Blackpool also around 12.000
Peterborough below that level and Hull city also who’s gates are slipping season after season.
So please no one tell me DRFC can’t become an established Championship club because anyone who says that does not have the vision imo.
Next time we make that level the infrastructure and sound business footings put down from this board may well enable us to achieve that goal.
What we need right now is a damn good manger who stays with us for the medium term at least. 4/5 years.
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And there we have it, buying well and selling well - TB is doing the right thing for the long term future of DRFC, ensuring we have a club even if there is no rich owner.
The reason for the struggle this last 2-3 seasons is we have sold well, we just had not recruited well. I think there is some light at the end of the tunnel though with players like Seaman, Olowu and Cam John, but it needs to be better and in the right positions at the right time - its not easy, as we are obviously competing every season for these gems, but they are around.
Unfortunately it only takes recruitment to be slightly wrong and it can have disastrous results.
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Anyone else refreshing the odds like mad today? Heard any rumours of Nigel Adkins looking pissed off on the north bridge? John Eustace looking happy outside a cafe in Thorne?
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When recruiting players, how many of the last few managers will have thought past their immediate needs? How many of them would see themselves staying beyond a couple of years? Until recently only the odd ex academy player has made it to the first team. It is also significant that most of the players who have gone on to be successful with other clubs have been those with longer contracts. So financially the policy has been relatively short term too.
So overall, the direction has been short-term even though the “vision” may have been presented as long term which sounds better to the fans at Meet The Owners events. We could believe that the Wellens vision was long term supported by the length of contracts he gave out, but his ability was not up to that ambition.
And I am with those who trust TB.
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Anyone else refreshing the odds like mad today? Heard any rumours of Nigel Adkins looking pissed off on the north bridge? John Eustace looking happy outside a cafe in Thorne?
Interviews aren't in Donny. :(
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I know they're always remote, we just always get rumours of Kevin Keegan seen at Pizza Jim's in town or summat. Doesn't feel right without them.
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Saw Steve Evans in an all you can eat as I drove by the restaurant. He had his plate piled high.
Just hope we get the appointment right and get on with it so the manager can get to work.
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I saw Gavin at the keepmoat gone 9am when I was collecting tickets, so if they are remote let’s assume the first wouldn’t start until 10am earliest.
To fit all 5 in today they must be working into the evening surely? I would have thought each one would be minimum 1 hour/1.5 hours.
Unless they started with GM at the stadium.
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Anyone else refreshing the odds like mad today? Heard any rumours of Nigel Adkins looking pissed off on the north bridge? John Eustace looking happy outside a cafe in Thorne?
Hope Adkins was not about to throw himself over the side.
I know this must have been his dream job being a scouser and all that.
After all who the heck are Liverpool and Everton
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I know they're always remote, we just always get rumours of Kevin Keegan seen at Pizza Jim's in town or summat. Doesn't feel right without them.
I doubt they are always remote.
Why would they be pre COVID?
I would still expect them to be face to face even now.
Body language in interviews can be quite important.
Remote interviews don’t give a full picture.
No pun intended.
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Anyone else refreshing the odds like mad today? Heard any rumours of Nigel Adkins looking pissed off on the north bridge? John Eustace looking happy outside a cafe in Thorne?
Interviews aren't in Donny. :(
Probably in a hotel somewhere not too far away.
Do you have info not in Doncaster?
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I know they're always remote, we just always get rumours of Kevin Keegan seen at Pizza Jim's in town or summat. Doesn't feel right without them.
I doubt they are always remote.
Why would they be pre COVID?
I would still expect them to be face to face even now.
Body language in interviews can be quite important.
Remote interviews don’t give a full picture.
No pun intended.
I meant they're always held away from Donny. Think SM has said they're always in person before, not sure if that's the case this time but would imagine they are.
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Will be interesting to see if any rumours come out post interview, usually something leaks. Hopefully the next phase is very soon to get it done before Christmas but I'm sceptical on that.
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Is there another round of interviews after today’s
Yes there is.
After which the final three will be asked to give 3 impressions from any of the following:-
Tommy Cooper
Frank Bruno
Frankie Howard
Mick Jagger
Bruce Forsyth
Shirley Bassey
In the event of a tie, the remaining candidates will go head to head in a game of Monopoly.
The winner will be announced after allowing him/her, one hour in which to lie down in a darkened room.
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Is there another round of interviews after today’s
Yes there is.
After which the final three will be asked to give 3 impressions from any of the following:-
Tommy Cooper
Frank Bruno
Frankie Howard
Mick Jagger
Bruce Forsyth
Shirley Bassey
In the event of a tie, the remaining candidates will go head to head in a game of Monopoly.
The winner will be announced after allowing him/her, one hour in which to lie down in a darkened room.
I am sure your mixing us up with Ipswich Colin. I am sure Shirley Bassey is not on our list. ;)
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I know they're always remote, we just always get rumours of Kevin Keegan seen at Pizza Jim's in town or summat. Doesn't feel right without them.
I doubt they are always remote.
Why would they be pre COVID?
I would still expect them to be face to face even now.
Body language in interviews can be quite important.
Remote interviews don’t give a full picture.
No pun intended.
I meant they're always held away from Donny. Think SM has said they're always in person before, not sure if that's the case this time but would imagine they are.
Yep, and done in person again today.
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I know they're always remote, we just always get rumours of Kevin Keegan seen at Pizza Jim's in town or summat. Doesn't feel right without them.
I doubt they are always remote.
Why would they be pre COVID?
I would still expect them to be face to face even now.
Body language in interviews can be quite important.
Remote interviews don’t give a full picture.
No pun intended.
I meant they're always held away from Donny. Think SM has said they're always in person before, not sure if that's the case this time but would imagine they are.
Yep, and done in person again today.
And the winner is.....?
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I know they're always remote, we just always get rumours of Kevin Keegan seen at Pizza Jim's in town or summat. Doesn't feel right without them.
I doubt they are always remote.
Why would they be pre COVID?
I would still expect them to be face to face even now.
Body language in interviews can be quite important.
Remote interviews don’t give a full picture.
No pun intended.
I meant they're always held away from Donny. Think SM has said they're always in person before, not sure if that's the case this time but would imagine they are.
Yep, and done in person again today.
And the winner is.....?
3 more interviews so no winner yet.
Someone might leek a bit of something now. No not that I hope.
Is Gary Mac in last 3 that may come out possibly.
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Paul Trollope has come out of nowhere near the top of the betting.
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TB gives an awful lot to local charities and other causes that he feels passionate about. He's big into the God squad so does a lot with religious causes I believe.
Yes he does, MM. He and his wife set up their own Christian charity, and Terry is a church organist.
He has also donated money to the Conservative Party in the past, and has been a regular philanthropist to his home town of Harrogate.
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Paul Trollope has come out of nowhere near the top of the betting.
He would fit the Free Press description put out before, even if his managerial experience in the Championship was brief. He did well at Bristol Rovers albeit a long time ago...aside from losing the 2007 JPT Trophy final that is.
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Paul Trollope has come out of nowhere near the top of the betting.
He done well at Bristol Rovers but had a horrible time at Cardiff; not dissimilar to Wellens' time here.
He'd be one of the riskier options.
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I know they're always remote, we just always get rumours of Kevin Keegan seen at Pizza Jim's in town or summat. Doesn't feel right without them.
I doubt they are always remote.
Why would they be pre COVID?
I would still expect them to be face to face even now.
Body language in interviews can be quite important.
Remote interviews don’t give a full picture.
No pun intended.
I meant they're always held away from Donny. Think SM has said they're always in person before, not sure if that's the case this time but would imagine they are.
Yep, and done in person again today.
And the winner is.....?
3 more interviews so no winner yet.
Someone might leek a bit of something now. No not that I hope.
Is Gary Mac in last 3 that may come out possibly.
OK Camps what have you heard? Who is the Welshman on the shortlist
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So final three
Simpson
McCsheffrey
Trollope
???
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Matches the betting movements today.
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So final three
Simpson
McCsheffrey
Trollope
???
Thats un-inspiring but we’ll keep the faith
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TB gives an awful lot to local charities and other causes that he feels passionate about. He's big into the God squad so does a lot with religious causes I believe.
Yes he does, MM. He and his wife set up their own Christian charity, and Terry is a church organist.
He has also donated money to the Conservative Party in the past, and has been a regular philanthropist to his home town of Harrogate.
Donated a lot to Yorkshire Sculpture Park as well. Love that place. Beautiful all year round
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So final three
Simpson
McCsheffrey
Trollope
???
Thats un-inspiring but we’ll keep the faith
I don’t think the betting movements are significant enough (yet) to suggest that’s the final three. All just speculation at the moment.
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Betting movements do tell a story at this time.
Last week was all speculation.
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I’m sure it just means they have made the final 5 and it’s got out.
If the 5 were all interviewed today I doubt we’ve picked 3 yet.
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Betting movements do tell a story at this time.
Last week was all speculation.
I agree they’ll begin to tell a story from this point, but it’s hard to see a final three emerging yet. Do we even know that three have been taken through?
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TB gives an awful lot to local charities and other causes that he feels passionate about. He's big into the God squad so does a lot with religious causes I believe.
“God squad” that’s a little condescending. Pity there’s not a few more like TB the world might be a better place.
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So final three
Simpson
McCsheffrey
Trollope
???
F*ck me. If that’s the final 3 give it McSheffrey and see what happens
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Mick McCarthy has been a pundit on the Fulham vs Sheff U game tonight so unless he had an interview this morning and then travelled down we can maybe rule him out
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Mick McCarthy has been a pundit on the Fulham vs Sheff U game tonight so unless he had an interview this morning and then travelled down we can maybe rule him out
Was he at the game though or in a studio?
I can’t see him applying here anyway to be honest.
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Seriously doubt they'll have interviewed 5 today and drawn up a final 3 shortlist...
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The Welshman might be Dean Saunders?.
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Liam hodens latest tweet:
“I’m told the Rovers board were happy with today’s interviews and things are progressing. Hope is an appointment will be made this week but that’s if all goes smoothly over the next day or so”
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Seriously doubt they'll have interviewed 5 today and drawn up a final 3 shortlist...
Hoden confirmed this morning that all 5 would be interviewed today.
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I know they're always remote, we just always get rumours of Kevin Keegan seen at Pizza Jim's in town or summat. Doesn't feel right without them.
I doubt they are always remote.
Why would they be pre COVID?
I would still expect them to be face to face even now.
Body language in interviews can be quite important.
Remote interviews don%u2019t give a full picture.
No pun intended.
I meant they're always held away from Donny. Think SM has said they're always in person before, not sure if that's the case this time but would imagine they are.
Yep, and done in person again today.
And the winner is.....?
3 more interviews so no winner yet.
Someone might leek a bit of something now. No not that I hope.
Is Gary Mac in last 3 that may come out possibly.
OK Camps what have you heard? Who is the Welshman on the shortlist
Coleman. We wish.
Load of Trollope
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Mick McCarthy has been a pundit on the Fulham vs Sheff U game tonight so unless he had an interview this morning and then travelled down we can maybe rule him out
Was he at the game though or in a studio?
I can’t see him applying here anyway to be honest.
He was at the game
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Trollope as worked under and followed Houghton since 2011,could it be Houghton for manager and Trollope 1st team coach?
Someone seeing or hearing Trollope has had a interview today would explain him coming into the betting.
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Chris Hughton is not coming to Rovers. He has managed at either Premier League or Championship level his entire career. He is not coming to a club that is fairly likely to be playing in the fourth tier next season.
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Chris Hughton is not coming to Rovers. He has managed at either Premier League or Championship level his entire career. He is not coming to a club that is fairly likely to be playing in the fourth tier next season.
Positive thinking CBcb. :) Those words are banned.
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Does it really matter who gets the job? other people with far more at stake than us supporters whether they will be a success or not will make the decision. Their personality is really not here or there, the only thing that matters to the average supporter is can they Manage and guide a successful football team? and however they do it, even if they used thumb screws on the centre forward to score goals would be ok by them as long as the team won games.
It won't be long now before we get to know who our next manager is, some will start off thinking great, others will think we have gone for the cheapest option and signed a donkey.
However if that donkey does bring success, I would take a bet those same supporters would kiss his backside if he did so, and if the supporters that thought great at the outset, would turn on him if things didn't improve. We will just have to wait and see the outcome and hope the new manager has luck on his side and the backing to compete at the level we are at and can improve the players we already have.
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Any candidate that looks at the league table and doesn't fancy himself to have a good chance to keep us up obviously isn't the right man for the job.
Keeping us up would be easier than getting us straight back up in my opinion.
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Given that the most successul managers in our recent history are ones the fans didn't want and the least successful one is the ones the fans did want - I am happy to let the board choose. Somebody will complain whoever it is.
As far as I can see they have two options:
a. an inexperienced but promising young manager
b. an experienced manager with a history of successes and failures
We have had a lot of Plan A's. Wouldn't suprise me if this one was a Plan B.
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Pauls Trollope, Clement, and Simpson are switching places every time I check the betting today. Trollope currently favourite atm.
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Pauls Trollope, Clement, and Simpson are switching places every time I check the betting today. Trollope currently favourite atm.
Any sign of Calf?
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I hear Chuckle is available and lives fairly locally.
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I hear Chuckle is available and lives fairly locally.
MIGHT, be a Rovrum fan
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The Welshman might be Dean Saunders?.
I don't think Raven was talking about a Welshman applying for the job, Sammy. It was a joke about the way "leek" was spelled.
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I never get jokes Steve, went over my head haha.
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Paul Trollope is Welsh Sammy, style it out!
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The board has always said they are looking to appoint more than one position so why not Chris Hughton and Paul Trollope? It can't be fun to be out of work as a manager, so why not Donny Rovers. At the MTO meeting the board weren't too concerned about finances.
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Chris Hughton will not be joining Rovers. How can a manager who has spent his entire post-playing career as a manager at Premier League or Championship level and only left his last managerial role a couple of months ago, be wanting to perform a handbrake turn and be a Director of Football for the first time ever at a side even money to go down to the bottom tier. It’s just not happening.
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CBCB you keep saying who will not be joining DRFC any thoughts who might be?
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Absolutely no idea who our next manager will be, but people like Simpson or Trollope would be far, far more likely to be in the pond we are fishing, than Steve McLaren, Chris Hughton or Mick Mc. All of these last three would have absolutely no idea how to sign players willing to play for a grand or two a week or indeed how to coach or manage them. It’s a different game.
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Chris Hughton is not coming to Rovers. He has managed at either Premier League or Championship level his entire career. He is not coming to a club that is fairly likely to be playing in the fourth tier next season.
Alot thought Moore would never become our manager,agree it's unlikely.but you never know
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Yes, but at least Moore was being interviewed as opposed to those who aren’t!!
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Alex Neil, I think they would make a good fit, the club and him. Apparently ready to manage again. Did well at Preston until his best players were sold from under him.
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When are the final interviews taking place?
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If we are having a director of football Lennie Lawrence, vastly experienced and currently no working is available. With Paul Trollope as manager, they’ve worked together before in those roles. As he has also worked with Michael Flynn.
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According to the free press it looks like there are only 2 candidates left and hopefully there should be an announcement by the weekend
The management team have done a good job keeping the interviewees names quiet
Let’s hope when it’s announced we all feel happy with the appointment
It’ll be interesting how long it takes one of our doom and gloom fans to come on here and say the new manager is sxxt or not good enough
Whoever it is let’s give them a chance and hope they can turn things around
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If it isn't the top two in the betting I'll be surprised. Both are a gamble if that is the case with not much full management for some time.
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Clement and McCarthy ruled out.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/the-latest-on-doncaster-rovers-pursuit-of-a-new-manager-3503261
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McSheffrey or Trollope?
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According to the free press it looks like there are only 2 candidates left and hopefully there should be an announcement by the weekend
The management team have done a good job keeping the interviewees names quiet
Let’s hope when it’s announced we all feel happy with the appointment
It’ll be interesting how long it takes one of our doom and gloom fans to come on here and say the new manager is sxxt or not good enough
Whoever it is let’s give them a chance and hope they can turn things around
Don't worry a vast amount of our fans will already be sharpening their knives.
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Oh, so it turns out experienced Premier League managers, Steve McLaren, Mick McCarthy and Chris Hughton will not be coming here. Wow. That I did not see coming.
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It’s not about having knives out whoever gets the job will have been selected by the CEO Chairman and benefactor none of them from their own words do not have anything to do with football. According to Liams Article it’s one of two coaches I suspect one will be Mc S but the other not sure could be Trollope but he has been a manager.
Getting the right players in, in January will show how the recruitment team is working and then the coach / manager gets the best out of them.
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Simpson and Trollope...?
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Simpson and Trollope...?
Sorry that’s a loud of Trollope. ;) :)
One or the other I suspect. Do not see either being an assistant manager. I could be wrong of course I frequently am. :facepalm:
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Simpson and Trollope...?
Sorry that’s a loud of Trollope. ;) :)
One or the other I suspect. Do not see either being an assistant manager. I could be wrong of course I frequently am. :facepalm:
I meant either or.... as in these were the two candidates...
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According to the free press it looks like there are only 2 candidates left and hopefully there should be an announcement by the weekend
The management team have done a good job keeping the interviewees names quiet
Let’s hope when it’s announced we all feel happy with the appointment
It’ll be interesting how long it takes one of our doom and gloom fans to come on here and say the new manager is sxxt or not good enough
Whoever it is let’s give them a chance and hope they can turn things around
Don't worry a vast amount of our fans will already be sharpening their knives.
the “cheap option” b*llocks is already being trotted out on Twitter. If these buffoons actually thought we were going to get the likes McCarthy etc then they really aren’t very bright are they.
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It’s not about having knives out whoever gets the job will have been selected by the CEO Chairman and benefactor none of them from their own words do not have anything to do with football. According to Liams Article it’s one of two coaches I suspect one will be Mc S but the other not sure could be Trollope but he has been a manager.
Getting the right players in, in January will show how the recruitment team is working and then the coach / manager gets the best out of them.
What a weird thing to say.
The CEO, Chairman and owner, despite the fact that Terry became a joint owner of the club in 2006, 15 years ago, and subsequently joined by David Blunt and then GB, do not have anything to do with football!!
You say, 'their words', any chance you can reproduce that?
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According to the free press it looks like there are only 2 candidates left and hopefully there should be an announcement by the weekend
The management team have done a good job keeping the interviewees names quiet
Let’s hope when it’s announced we all feel happy with the appointment
It’ll be interesting how long it takes one of our doom and gloom fans to come on here and say the new manager is sxxt or not good enough
Whoever it is let’s give them a chance and hope they can turn things around
Don't worry a vast amount of our fans will already be sharpening their knives.
the “cheap option” b*llocks is already being trotted out on Twitter. If these buffoons actually thought we were going to get the likes McCarthy etc then they really aren’t very bright are they.
The point is, the managers salary is the managers salary. No matter who gets the job they will have to pay what they have budgeted for, there is no cheap option.
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According to the free press it looks like there are only 2 candidates left and hopefully there should be an announcement by the weekend
The management team have done a good job keeping the interviewees names quiet
Let’s hope when it’s announced we all feel happy with the appointment
It’ll be interesting how long it takes one of our doom and gloom fans to come on here and say the new manager is sxxt or not good enough
Whoever it is let’s give them a chance and hope they can turn things around
Don't worry a vast amount of our fans will already be sharpening their knives.
the “cheap option” b*llocks is already being trotted out on Twitter. If these buffoons actually thought we were going to get the likes McCarthy etc then they really aren’t very bright are they.
Cheap option. No we will get a League 1 option. Would imagine we have a salary base for whoever becomes manager.
Don’t see anyone who is anyone would be getting offered less than 125.000 a year + bonus
I might be wrong but would be surprised if any Manager in the last 15 years has been on less than that at Rovers.
So can someone please tell me what a cheap option is. I will say it. Fiction that’s what it is there is no such thing. FAKE NEWS.
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Just beat me to my post SM
You simplified what I said. A salary for a given position is a salary.
But hey ho that will never be good enough for some.
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Some of our so called fans really make my p*ss boil - it’s anything to have a dig at the club.
The board have gone through a recruitment process (yes it’s drawn out) and have/will select the best person for Doncaster Rovers, I’m sure all candidates that moved forward were aware of the salary so it’s not a cheap option it’s the best option.
It’s been mentioned previously that there is a great deal of due diligence that’s goes on behind the scenes too checking that the manager would be a good fit
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Some of our so called fans really make my p*ss boil - it’s anything to have a dig at the club.
The board have gone through a recruitment process (yes it’s drawn out) and have/will select the best person for Doncaster Rovers, I’m sure all candidates that moved forward were aware of the salary so it’s not a cheap option it’s the best option.
It’s been mentioned previously that there is a great deal of due diligence that’s goes on behind the scenes too checking that the manager would be a good fit
Not sure they got it right with Wellens though.
But I hold my hands up as I also thought he would be a very good appointment.
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Wasn’t that keen on him getting it but I bought into what he was saying for a while so I can see how his enthusiasm won the day at interview stage, coupled with a bit of success as a manager and being a former Rovers player
But yeah I get that, I could even see the sense in giving Butter the job last season for continuity
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Most fans who say that it’s a cheap option, think of a in-house appointment, such as McSheffrey getting it, or Penney in the past. That’s because most companies will look to give an in-house appointment a smaller wage, rather than if it’s an outsider. But it doesn’t work like that in an interview process, the wages will be on the table for the winner.
In the past it will have been a much simpler instinct appointment with a few interviews. It’s obviously a meticulous process to give the best chance of getting the right candidate. Just in football it seems very slow, but if I was spending the money I would want to make sure just like they are doing.
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Some of our so called fans really make my p*ss boil - it’s anything to have a dig at the club.
The board have gone through a recruitment process (yes it’s drawn out) and have/will select the best person for Doncaster Rovers, I’m sure all candidates that moved forward were aware of the salary so it’s not a cheap option it’s the best option.
It’s been mentioned previously that there is a great deal of due diligence that’s goes on behind the scenes too checking that the manager would be a good fit
Not sure they got it right with Wellens though.
But I hold my hands up as I also thought he would be a very good appointment.
You could arguably include the one before Wellens as well.
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I haven't seen Alex Neil ruled out yet, could one of the candidates still be him?
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Odds for Trollope and Simpson over the last hour have significantly reduced so would suggest its one of those 2.
Personally would still prefer McSheffrey and Sinclair.
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Has Boothroyd been ruled out too?
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I haven't seen Alex Neil ruled out yet, could one of the candidates still be him?
I can't see it being Neil. If he had applied and was still in the running, neither of the other remaining candidates (Trollope and Simpson) even come close to him. It therefore wouldn't make sense to have him interview again with one of these.
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I haven't seen Alex Neil ruled out yet, could one of the candidates still be him?
I can't see it being Neil. If he had applied and was still in the running, neither of the other remaining candidates (Trollope and Simpson) even come close to him. It therefore wouldn't make sense to have him interview again with one of these.
You cannot say that ChrisBx because Neill may not be happy to work with our budget or other factors are not compatible.
Lots of different things to be considered. It is not always straightforward getting the no 1 target.
Always assuming he was. We do not even know if he applied. I suspect he probably did not.
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McSheffrey and Sinclair have instigated a training regime that has impressed immensely both the Rovers management and playing staff, some of the passing drills and technical movements being of a different class to what the squad have been used to in the past both in speed and intensity with the end game being better more prepared players.
And that is what this club will need to concentrate on, bringing quality players through our own academy, and recognising quality and the improvement players we bring in from other clubs can achieve here. We will never be able to compete in the transfer market at anywhere near the top clubs at our level pay, that continually year on year gets even more out of our and other clubs reach.
The first team manager we want is someone who recognises this side of the club and the advantage it can be to his future, unlike Moore who set the club back and had no interest in the players in the reserves one of which has become a million pound player since to the benefit of other clubs both playing and transfer money wise.
Whoever gets the job, and I am open minded and trust the board to appoint the best man, his name will mean nothing while his actions will be everything to this club and us the supporters, whoever it is has a massive job on their hands obviously starting with the first team, which has to be his first and main priority.
But the powers that be would do well to also look inward and downwards to the academy and what that can achieve for the future prosperity of the club. In my supporting years we have had many players that have been fantastic players for us many brought to the club especially in the last twenty years, but I give you four of the very best of my time Jeffrey, Elwis, Kitchen, and Snodin all products of this clubs junior system and we have had others very good players through the system, but sporadic never having a consistent progression, that is what we have to look at for a future once the first team is back on an even keel. So I want a manager with a whole club vision, I want good coaches and management all pulling in the same direction, I want set out step by step objectives and I want success, failure is not an option, and that is what I want from a manager, a vision of what he can achieve while he has the reigns at my club.
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Has Boothroyd been ruled out too?
Name not mentioned other than on here.
Can’t see us going for him and doubt he even applied. Bit of a dinosaur imo.
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McSheffrey and Sinclair have instigated a training regime that has impressed immensely both the Rovers management and playing staff, some of the passing drills and technical movements being of a different class to what the squad have been used to in the past both in speed and intensity with the end game being better more prepared players.
And that is what this club will need to concentrate on, bringing quality players through our own academy, and recognising quality and the improvement players we bring in from other clubs can achieve here. We will never be able to compete in the transfer market at anywhere near the top clubs at our level pay, that continually year on year gets even more out of our and other clubs reach.
The first team manager we want is someone who recognises this side of the club and the advantage it can be to his future, unlike Moore who set the club back and had no interest in the players in the reserves one of which has become a million pound player since to the benefit of other clubs both playing and transfer money wise.
Whoever gets the job, and I am open minded and trust the board to appoint the best man, his name will mean nothing while his actions will be everything to this club and us the supporters, whoever it is has a massive job on their hands obviously starting with the first team, which has to be his first and main priority.
But the powers that be would do well to also look inward and downwards to the academy and what that can achieve for the future prosperity of the club. In my supporting years we have had many players that have been fantastic players for us many brought to the club especially in the last twenty years, but I give you four of the very best of my time Jeffrey, Elwis, Kitchen, and Snodin all products of this clubs junior system and we have had others very good players through the system, but sporadic never having a consistent progression, that is what we have to look at for a future once the first team is back on an even keel. So I want a manager with a whole club vision, I want good coaches and management all pulling in the same direction, I want set out step by step objectives and I want success, failure is not an option, and that is what I want from a manager, a vision of what he can achieve while he has the reigns at my club.
Great post Brian
100% that is what we need. The vision for the Club going forward and the will to carry it out.
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McSheffrey and Sinclair have instigated a training regime that has impressed immensely both the Rovers management and playing staff, some of the passing drills and technical movements being of a different class to what the squad have been used to in the past both in speed and intensity with the end game being better more prepared players.
And that is what this club will need to concentrate on, bringing quality players through our own academy, and recognising quality and the improvement players we bring in from other clubs can achieve here. We will never be able to compete in the transfer market at anywhere near the top clubs at our level pay, that continually year on year gets even more out of our and other clubs reach.
The first team manager we want is someone who recognises this side of the club and the advantage it can be to his future, unlike Moore who set the club back and had no interest in the players in the reserves one of which has become a million pound player since to the benefit of other clubs both playing and transfer money wise.
Whoever gets the job, and I am open minded and trust the board to appoint the best man, his name will mean nothing while his actions will be everything to this club and us the supporters, whoever it is has a massive job on their hands obviously starting with the first team, which has to be his first and main priority.
But the powers that be would do well to also look inward and downwards to the academy and what that can achieve for the future prosperity of the club. In my supporting years we have had many players that have been fantastic players for us many brought to the club especially in the last twenty years, but I give you four of the very best of my time Jeffrey, Elwis, Kitchen, and Snodin all products of this clubs junior system and we have had others very good players through the system, but sporadic never having a consistent progression, that is what we have to look at for a future once the first team is back on an even keel. So I want a manager with a whole club vision, I want good coaches and management all pulling in the same direction, I want set out step by step objectives and I want success, failure is not an option, and that is what I want from a manager, a vision of what he can achieve while he has the reigns at my club.
I sometimes wish your posts were a little bit shorter Brian, making them easier to read.
But, yes I agree with every word, especially the impact that McSheffrey is having.
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According to the free press it looks like there are only 2 candidates left and hopefully there should be an announcement by the weekend
The management team have done a good job keeping the interviewees names quiet
Let’s hope when it’s announced we all feel happy with the appointment
It’ll be interesting how long it takes one of our doom and gloom fans to come on here and say the new manager is sxxt or not good enough
Whoever it is let’s give them a chance and hope they can turn things around
Don't worry a vast amount of our fans will already be sharpening their knives.
the “cheap option” b*llocks is already being trotted out on Twitter. If these buffoons actually thought we were going to get the likes McCarthy etc then they really aren’t very bright are they.
Cheap option. No we will get a League 1 option. Would imagine we have a salary base for whoever becomes manager.
Don’t see anyone who is anyone would be getting offered less than 125.000 a year + bonus
I might be wrong but would be surprised if any Manager in the last 15 years has been on less than that at Rovers.
So can someone please tell me what a cheap option is. I will say it. Fiction that’s what it is there is no such thing. FAKE NEWS.
sadly these ass wipes don’t understand this. If it is someone like GM then they will just say it’s the cheap option regardless of facts and keep on repeating it until more and more believe it. Any excuse to stick the boot in. Sad really.
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I haven't seen Alex Neil ruled out yet, could one of the candidates still be him?
I can't see it being Neil. If he had applied and was still in the running, neither of the other remaining candidates (Trollope and Simpson) even come close to him. It therefore wouldn't make sense to have him interview again with one of these.
You cannot say that ChrisBx because Neill may not be happy to work with our budget or other factors are not compatible.
Lots of different things to be considered. It is not always straightforward getting the no 1 target.
Always assuming he was. We do not even know if he applied. I suspect he probably did not.
If he wasn't happy to work with our budget, he'd be out of the running by now. My point is that if AN has made the final two, then the other candidate must be exceptionally good too.
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Odds for Trollope and Simpson over the last hour have significantly reduced so would suggest its one of those 2.
Personally would still prefer McSheffrey and Sinclair.
Why?
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LS, why not?
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Odds for Trollope and Simpson over the last hour have significantly reduced so would suggest its one of those 2.
Personally would still prefer McSheffrey and Sinclair.
Why?
In a very short space of time they have actually made a squad that didn't look like they would ever score, scoring goals and actually getting a reaction from players that simply clearly didn't want to play for Wellens for whatever reason.
He might not be the long term answer but personally I think they have done enough to be given until at least the end of the season and see what they can do with the players we have and the ones that we will hopefully be bringing in during January.
I will support whoever comes in but my preference would be McSheffrey.
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Simpson now 5/4, Trollope 5/4 McSheffrey 8/1.
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I agree with Selby. What upsets me is the way that the successful managers of recent years (post SOD) did not appreciate the strength (and security for them) of the DRFC framework. These old-fashioned values which the club upholds gave Wellens far more time than he would have got from most clubs. Dickov too, got longer than most of us would have given him. Fergie recognised this, so we could exempt him, yet in recent times from Saunders onwards all our successful managers have jumped ship.
The club is stable financially, with good management infrastructure, good facilities for training and a decent stadium and do not have have unrealistic short term ambitions for the club, its manager and players. Yet so many have risked their futures with “bigger” clubs as soon as any come calling. And it is no wonder that these managers have not worked with a long term strategy because as a career staging post, short term it is better to use other clubs’ youngsters, rather than develop your own. So perhaps higher management has failed in the sense that they have just let them follow short term-ism for their own personal gain rather than the more sustainable business plan which would take themselves forwards with the club.
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Of the two likely lads I'd probably prefer Simpson. I genuinely think long term the DoF is the most important appointment though.
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There were only a few realistic sounding options I would've preferred ahead of McSheffrey, and they've all been ruled out by now. I mentioned Alex Neil more in hope than expectation.
Personally I'd prefer McSheffrey over either of the two current big favourites, although obviously I'll support and give time to whoever is appointed. What I would say is that based on the article stating the final two fit the head coach role, coupled with SM backing up claims about how much everyone at the club has been impressed by McSheffrey's training methods etc, that 8/1 you can currently get on him looks like excellent value. Shame Betvictor have restricted me to 10p bets...
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It is a solid club with good values. Yes we lack funds to compete for players so we have to use the free and loan market’s. It possible to do well with us but the manager needs to be very clever in the transfer market.
As well as Sean O’Driscoll did, he had the most backing any rovers manager has had. We paid fees for a few of the squad. We were two maybe three players away from pushing for the premier league at one point.
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It is a solid club with good values. Yes we lack funds to compete for players so we have to use the free and loan market’s. It possible to do well with us but the manager needs to be very clever in the transfer market.
As well as Sean O’Driscoll did, he had the most backing any rovers manager has had. We paid fees for a few of the squad. We were two maybe three players away from pushing for the premier league at one point.
Free transfers aren't "free", they can cost as much as transfers from another club. It's just the cost is then going to the player/agent.
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I know that Donny. It can sometimes cost you more in wages just because you didn’t pay a fee for the player. There are enough free transfers of good enough quality to compete in my opinion, you just have to be quick when the bigger clubs in our league start circling.
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Neither of the two likely appointments are particularly inspiring.
Trollope's last successful spell as a manager ended 11 years ago.
Paul Simpson's last club management role was in the Northern Premier. Again, many years have passed since he last had success as a club manager.
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Both now 5/4.
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Any sign of smoke yet ?
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https://www.bt.com/sport/news/2021/july/bristol-city-coach-paul-simpson-to-undergo-treatment-for-kidney-cancer
i know absolutely nothing either but on checking Simpson
https://www.bt.com/sport/news/2021/july/bristol-city-coach-paul-simpson-to-undergo-treatment-for-kidney-cancer
he looks like the man
is this Trolloppe really ....Full name Norman John Trollope
Date of birth 14 June 1943 (age 78)
if so he should be on the antiques roadshow (being valued)
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Neither of the two likely appointments are particularly inspiring.
Trollope's last successful spell as a manager ended 11 years ago.
Paul Simpson's last club management role was in the Northern Premier. Again, many years have passed since he last had success as a club manager.
Inspiring? Both have a good pedigree and have had success as the main man. Both have worked with some very good managers at a higher level. Both are excellent coaches.
Are they really really good at man management? If they are then we will have a very good manager whichever one we get.
Trollope would edge it for me but happy with whatever the board decide.
Results will judge whether they got the right man. Let us see where we are on 28/04/22
Assuming the season finishes on time or maybe not at all worst scenario.
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https://www.bt.com/sport/news/2021/july/bristol-city-coach-paul-simpson-to-undergo-treatment-for-kidney-cancer
i know absolutely nothing either but on checking Simpson
https://www.bt.com/sport/news/2021/july/bristol-city-coach-paul-simpson-to-undergo-treatment-for-kidney-cancer
he looks like the man
is this Trolloppe really ....Full name Norman John Trollope
Date of birth 14 June 1943 (age 78)
if so he should be on the antiques roadshow (being valued)
Thats Paul Trollope's dad.
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https://www.bt.com/sport/news/2021/july/bristol-city-coach-paul-simpson-to-undergo-treatment-for-kidney-cancer
i know absolutely nothing either but on checking Simpson
https://www.bt.com/sport/news/2021/july/bristol-city-coach-paul-simpson-to-undergo-treatment-for-kidney-cancer
he looks like the man
is this Trolloppe really ....Full name Norman John Trollope
Date of birth 14 June 1943 (age 78)
if so he should be on the antiques roadshow (being valued)
Thats Paul Trollope's dad.
Played for Swindon Town in League Cup win v Arsenal in 1969.
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If it is Trollope ,then Lennie Lawrence might be the director of football ,as they have worked together before . If Alex Neil is in the running then I see him being picked. Be nice to know soon when the interviews are finished. Whoever it is deserves our full support.
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If it is Trollope ,then Lennie Lawrence might be the director of football ,as they have worked together before . If Alex Neil is in the running then I see him being picked. Be nice to know soon when the interviews are finished. Whoever it is deserves our full support.
I doubt a 74 year old Lennie Lawrence is the progressive DoF were after.
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According to the free press it looks like there are only 2 candidates left and hopefully there should be an announcement by the weekend
The management team have done a good job keeping the interviewees names quiet
Let’s hope when it’s announced we all feel happy with the appointment
It’ll be interesting how long it takes one of our doom and gloom fans to come on here and say the new manager is sxxt or not good enough
Whoever it is let’s give them a chance and hope they can turn things around
Don't worry a vast amount of our fans will already be sharpening their knives.
the “cheap option” b*llocks is already being trotted out on Twitter. If these buffoons actually thought we were going to get the likes McCarthy etc then they really aren’t very bright are they.
The point is, the managers salary is the managers salary. No matter who gets the job they will have to pay what they have budgeted for, there is no cheap option.
But some would say,that's just restricting the club to cheaper option candidates.
Edit:just to point out I'm not one of the cheap option moaners,but I don't think the notion that the managers salary is already set is convincing enough to change their minds.
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I agree with Campsall,Trollope is my choice,but will be happy with either him or Simpson.The quicker whoever he is,is set on the better,and hopefully he can change our fortunes and keep us up.
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My money and choice is still with McSheffrey, he knows the club, the players from lower levels within the club, and has done a relatively good job in a very short space of time.
I like how calm he is in the media too, not saying the others are not good enough, or with better cvs.
The team and higher management are also really impressed with him too apparently.
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LS, why not?
I like GM but I just don't think he is ready and can't be compared in any way to Trollope or Simpson who are excellent coaches and have experience at all levels of the game.
It would be a massive gamble appointing GM with his lack of experience in first team management/coaching.
As for improving things he's won one game and lost the other two.
The position we are in it's all about results - and being great on the training ground is one thing, turning it into performances on the pitch is another.
RW was supposed to be good on the training ground. as have others in the past.
We need someone to drag us out of the bottom four and, for me, the other two would be much better bets to do that.
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LS, why not?
I like GM but I just don't think he is ready and can't be compared in any way to Trollope or Simpson who are excellent coaches and have experience at all levels of the game.
It would be a massive gamble appointing GM with his lack of experience in first team management/coaching.
As for improving things he's won one game and lost the other two.
The position we are in it's all about results - and being great on the training ground is one thing, turning it into performances on the pitch is another.
RW was supposed to be good on the training ground. as have others in the past.
We need someone to drag us out of the bottom four and, for me, the other two would be much better bets to do that.
The performances on the pitch have grown every game, if we carry on that trend we'll be fine.
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Performances are a matter of opinion.
I don't think there has been a marked improvement.
But when it comes to the quality and experience of the three candidates mentioned there's no contest.
It's a matter of fact.
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If it is Trollope ,then Lennie Lawrence might be the director of football ,as they have worked together before . If Alex Neil is in the running then I see him being picked. Be nice to know soon when the interviews are finished. Whoever it is deserves our full support.
I doubt a 74 year old Lennie Lawrence is the progressive DoF were after.
Not a chance. Now retired I am pretty sure.
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If it is Trollope ,then Lennie Lawrence might be the director of football ,as they have worked together before . If Alex Neil is in the running then I see him being picked. Be nice to know soon when the interviews are finished. Whoever it is deserves our full support.
I doubt a 74 year old Lennie Lawrence is the progressive DoF were after.
Not a chance. Now retired I am pretty sure.
Might be Campsall, we will see anyway. I’m sure it’s not far away from being announced.
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Lennie Lawrence wasn’t well liked at Bradford City.
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Neither of the two likely appointments are particularly inspiring.
Trollope's last successful spell as a manager ended 11 years ago.
Paul Simpson's last club management role was in the Northern Premier. Again, many years have passed since he last had success as a club manager.
Inspiring? Both have a good pedigree and have had success as the main man. Both have worked with some very good managers at a higher level. Both are excellent coaches.
Are they really really good at man management? If they are then we will have a very good manager whichever one we get.
Trollope would edge it for me but happy with whatever the board decide.
Results will judge whether they got the right man. Let us see where we are on 28/04/22
Assuming the season finishes on time or maybe not at all worst scenario.
Good pedigree as a coach, perhaps. Like I said, it's been the best part of a decade since either of them had success when managing a club. In Trollope's case, I believe it's something like 16 games managed in 11 years.
Without seeing who else applied, we can't say whether these were the best two options. I'll get behind whoever is appointed, but I'm certainly not enthusiastic about either.
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After the recent up and coming gambles (McCann and Wellens), relative big name for us (Moore) I’m happy with an older steady head this time around.
I think it will be good for us.
I’m leaning towards Simpson.
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Neither of the two likely appointments are particularly inspiring.
Trollope's last successful spell as a manager ended 11 years ago.
Paul Simpson's last club management role was in the Northern Premier. Again, many years have passed since he last had success as a club manager.
Inspiring? Both have a good pedigree and have had success as the main man. Both have worked with some very good managers at a higher level. Both are excellent coaches.
Are they really really good at man management? If they are then we will have a very good manager whichever one we get.
Trollope would edge it for me but happy with whatever the board decide.
Results will judge whether they got the right man. Let us see where we are on 28/04/22
Assuming the season finishes on time or maybe not at all worst scenario.
Good pedigree as a coach, perhaps. Like I said, it's been the best part of a decade since either of them had success when managing a club. In Trollope's case, I believe it's something like 16 games managed in 11 years.
Without seeing who else applied, we can't say whether these were the best two options. I'll get behind whoever is appointed, but I'm certainly not enthusiastic about either.
It might be 16 games in 11 years in charge but he has been an assistant manager in the Premier League for some some years and in the Championship.
Very experience yet still under 50 yrs old.
What is not to like imo. Sound like a great fit for us if we could keep hold of him of course.
Anyway might be Simpson who also has much experience or maybe we are being thrown off the scent and it is someone else.
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If the choice is between McSheffrey, Simpson and Trollope I’d choose McSheffrey.
If it’s between Simpson and Trollope I’d choose Simpson.
If it’s Trollope he’ll get my full support.
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If the choice is between McSheffrey, Simpson and Trollope I’d choose McSheffrey.
If it’s between Simpson and Trollope I’d choose Simpson.
If it’s Trollope he’ll get my full support.
Agree with this completely.
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If the choice is between McSheffrey, Simpson and Trollope I’d choose McSheffrey.
If it’s between Simpson and Trollope I’d choose Simpson.
If it’s Trollope he’ll get my full support.
Agreed
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Lennie Lawrence wasn’t well liked at Bradford City.
I remember me & my brother getting ‘Lennie the Lawrence Treasure Hunt Game’ one Christmas. Times were hard & we were grateful for anything but come on, played it once. The rules took longer to read than the game did to play……& I think that was once!
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McSheffrey has no where near Simpson's experience, pedigree and/or connections in the game.
Complete apathy from our fans that we would just accept someone with no evidence of success in coaching/managing a football team.
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Performances are a matter of opinion.
I don't think there has been a marked improvement.
But when it comes to the quality and experience of the three candidates mentioned there's no contest.
It's a matter of fact.
How much experience did Trollope have when starting his best period as a manager?and as for them being excellent coaches,should'nt they stay coaches then?For all we know,GM may be the better manager.
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Performances are a matter of opinion.
I don't think there has been a marked improvement.
But when it comes to the quality and experience of the three candidates mentioned there's no contest.
It's a matter of fact.
You did not see the Burton and Crewe games if you make that observation.
There is a massive improvement in work rate and tempo from the games before those two.
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I’m surprised how many people are opting for Simpson over Trollope.
Trollope looks the much better option imo.
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I don't mind either. Both have pros and cons so we just have to run with one and support them as much as we can.
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BetVictor have McSheffrey as current favourite.
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Is today the day then?
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I’m surprised how many people are opting for Simpson over Trollope.
Trollope looks the much better option imo.
On paper he does. But who knows what the board think.
It just might not be any of these 3 we think. Let’s face it those 3 have not been confirmed as the last 3.
If they have I missed that.
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BetVictor have McSheffrey as current favourite.
Only we could spend 3 weeks appointing a manager that is already employed by the club as the manager… Still think it will be one of the Pauls
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Performances are a matter of opinion.
I don't think there has been a marked improvement.
But when it comes to the quality and experience of the three candidates mentioned there's no contest.
It's a matter of fact.
You did not see the Burton and Crewe games if you make that observation.
There is a massive improvement in work rate and tempo from the games before those two.
Of course I saw the games.
I've seen all three since Gary became caretaker, how else could I make a judgement?
But I just don't think there has been a massive improvement.
A slight improvement maybe, but not huge.
Even he says himself that of the three games we've only played okay in one and a half of them.
When someone new takes over there is always a tendency to say things have improved, look at Andy Butler for instance.
If it's GM then obviously we get behind him but he doesn't even come close to the experience, in terms of managing and coaching, of the other two.
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Performances are a matter of opinion.
I don't think there has been a marked improvement.
But when it comes to the quality and experience of the three candidates mentioned there's no contest.
It's a matter of fact.
You did not see the Burton and Crewe games if you make that observation.
There is a massive improvement in work rate and tempo from the games before those two.
Of course I saw the games.
I've seen all three since Gary became caretaker, how else could I make a judgement?
But I just don't think there has been a massive improvement.
A slight improvement maybe, but not huge.
Even he says himself that of the three games we've only played okay in one and a half of them.
When someone new takes over there is always a tendency to say things have improved, look at Andy Butler for instance.
If it's GM then obviously we get behind him but he doesn't even come close to the experience, in terms of managing and coaching, of the other two.
That's not always a bad thing.
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Is the DoF option being considered at the same time with these candidates? So, for example, Paul X + GM, and they are merely discussing the job roles and coaching set up.
I can't see that GM is the right option now if we've got experienced and talented people lined up. But yes, please keep GM and FS on the coaching set-up, with maybe their titles changing if need be.
I'm pleased we seem to have some good people in the frame.
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Performances are a matter of opinion.
I don't think there has been a marked improvement.
But when it comes to the quality and experience of the three candidates mentioned there's no contest.
It's a matter of fact.
You did not see the Burton and Crewe games if you make that observation.
There is a massive improvement in work rate and tempo from the games before those two.
Of course I saw the games.
I've seen all three since Gary became caretaker, how else could I make a judgement?
But I just don't think there has been a massive improvement.
A slight improvement maybe, but not huge.
Even he says himself that of the three games we've only played okay in one and a half of them.
When someone new takes over there is always a tendency to say things have improved, look at Andy Butler for instance.
If it's GM then obviously we get behind him but he doesn't even come close to the experience, in terms of managing and coaching, of the other two.
I agree with the last bit. Do not think we should give the job to GM
Not saying he would not be up to it but he has no experience at any level at being No 1
Yes i know Dave Penney did not either but he was starting at Tier 5 not tier 3
There is a massive difference.
I was not having a go at you Lifelong just disagree with your observation that the improvement was only marginal.
But agree we have not put in a 90+ min consistent performance.
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Performances are a matter of opinion.
I don't think there has been a marked improvement.
But when it comes to the quality and experience of the three candidates mentioned there's no contest.
It's a matter of fact.
You did not see the Burton and Crewe games if you make that observation.
There is a massive improvement in work rate and tempo from the games before those two.
Of course I saw the games.
I've seen all three since Gary became caretaker, how else could I make a judgement?
But I just don't think there has been a massive improvement.
A slight improvement maybe, but not huge.
Even he says himself that of the three games we've only played okay in one and a half of them.
When someone new takes over there is always a tendency to say things have improved, look at Andy Butler for instance.
If it's GM then obviously we get behind him but he doesn't even come close to the experience, in terms of managing and coaching, of the other two.
I agree with the last bit. Don’t think we should give the job to GM
Not saying he would not be up to it but he has no experience at any level at being No 1
Yes i know Dave Penny did not either but he was starting at Tier 5 not tier 3
There is a massive difference.
I was not having a go at you Lifelong just disagree with your observation that the improvement was only marginal.
But agree we have not put in a 90+ min consistent performance.
What about Charlton as an example? Jacksons taken over from Adkins and has turned their season around.
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and the funny thing is when he was made permanent i expected him to do a "Dave Penney" meaning lose his first match like he did
and guess what
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Donny you can’t use Jackson as an example he as been a first team coach for five years plus caretaker manager twice. With all due respect to GMC he’s been U 23 coach and U 18 coach he’s been no where near our first team until Richie was sacked or any other as a coach.
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Donny you can’t use Jackson as an example he as been a first team coach for five years plus caretaker manager twice. With all due respect to GMC he’s been U 23 coach and U 18 coach he’s been no where near our first team until Richie was sacked or any other as a coach.
With the exception of having to win games and that pressure it isn't a massively different principle in terms of coaching is it?
He spent a long time playing at top levels so he knows how that works.
Wellens had a few years experience as did Dickov, they failed. It's not a disastrous approach at all but he would need the right support around him.
In some ways the transfer process is most key in the short term and I've already seen improvement under Gary mcsheffrey.
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GM now 1/2
PS now 2/1
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1/2 now McSheffrey
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Donny you can’t use Jackson as an example he as been a first team coach for five years plus caretaker manager twice. With all due respect to GMC he’s been U 23 coach and U 18 coach he’s been no where near our first team until Richie was sacked or any other as a coach.
Yes I can and I did.
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I haven’t got a problem appointing GMC to the job he’s at a level that we will get as a head coach in our position. Will he get us out of the position we are in well that will depend if the recruitment team have done their job and I can’t say they fill me full of confidence. He will need support from above with DOF assistant manager and others that he and the club choose to employ.
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Donny you can’t use Jackson as an example he as been a first team coach for five years plus caretaker manager twice. With all due respect to GMC he’s been U 23 coach and U 18 coach he’s been no where near our first team until Richie was sacked or any other as a coach.
Yes I can and I did.
Well done
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Is that a smokescreen and is there a dark horse in the wings
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P..s myself if it’s neither of them
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Is that a smokescreen and is there a dark horse in the wings
I doubt it at this stage. It's a risk but I'd be happy with McSheffrey.
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Performances are a matter of opinion.
I don't think there has been a marked improvement.
But when it comes to the quality and experience of the three candidates mentioned there's no contest.
It's a matter of fact.
You did not see the Burton and Crewe games if you make that observation.
There is a massive improvement in work rate and tempo from the games before those two.
Of course I saw the games.
I've seen all three since Gary became caretaker, how else could I make a judgement?
But I just don't think there has been a massive improvement.
A slight improvement maybe, but not huge.
Even he says himself that of the three games we've only played okay in one and a half of them.
When someone new takes over there is always a tendency to say things have improved, look at Andy Butler for instance.
If it's GM then obviously we get behind him but he doesn't even come close to the experience, in terms of managing and coaching, of the other two.
It doesn’t matter if the caretaker manager was Gary McSheffrey or Pep Guardiola, he could only work with the players we had for those three games and I doubt there’s anyone that could’ve done any better with that limiting factor.
Is that alone enough to give him the job? Of course not. But if he is to get the full time job then we have to trust that, all things considered, he has shown up best in the recruitment process undertaken. This isn’t like the Butler situation - he was given the job seemingly without consideration of any other options at the time. This time we’ve gone through a whole process and we have to place reliance on that.
As someone else has pointed out above. Trollope is only considered a good option because he delivered a decent record when given the chance in the same position McSheffrey is now in. Simpson also was given a chance once upon a time.
If McSheffrey has convinced the Board to give him a chance then he gets my 100% backing. When you listen to him he’s clearly an articulate, intelligent and considered character. That, along with vast experience in the game, is a good starting point.
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BetVictor have McSheffrey as current favourite.
Only we could spend 3 weeks appointing a manager that is already employed by the club as the manager… Still think it will be one of the Pauls
Imagine the moaning if we never looked for anyone else. We’ve opened applications, gave everyone a chance and the board will pick who they think is the best applicant.
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We have to trust the board to make the right decision.
No one knows if it was the right choice until the evidence shows one way or the other.
100% backing from me whoever gets it. Anyone except 1969 not sure he would get on too well with GB
Only Kidding ok. Well I am not actually I am deadly serious. :) :) :)
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PS out to 4/1
Starting to look a done deal for GM
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Its a risk whichever way they go, but at least GMc has had a head start on the rest - I am unsure on how he wants his team to play, it has just been to early to understand, but he did mention being more progressive and having more energy.
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If we appoint McSheffrey as manager then I really think it shows the board learned nothing from how our season collapsed under Butler. And that bodes terribly for the rest of the decisions they need to make to keep this club in the league.
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I wonder if he’s had a part in the signings lined up, and that is strengthening his position.
It’s clear the club wanted him though, so why (if appointed) we’ve taken 3 weeks and wasted other candidates time to do it, is a mystery.
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If we appoint McSheffrey as manager then I really think it shows the board learned nothing from how our season collapsed under Butler. And that bodes terribly for the rest of the decisions they need to make to keep this club in the league.
I don’t get the Butler failed so McSheffery is likely to argument. It just makes no sense.
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If we appoint McSheffrey as manager then I really think it shows the board learned nothing from how our season collapsed under Butler. And that bodes terribly for the rest of the decisions they need to make to keep this club in the league.
2 different personalities though Alias. Don’t really think Butts wanted it but was asked to help out.
GMac has said he really enjoyed having the responsibility and the buzz it gave him with the importance of each result.
Very different working with the U18’s where the result is not the be all and end all.
But I am with you as I think we need more experience right now.
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I wonder if he’s had a part in the signings lined up, and that is strengthening his position.
It’s clear the club wanted him though, so why (if appointed) we’ve taken 3 weeks and wasted other candidates time to do it, is a mystery.
Perhaps because some of the candidates were also asked about an alternative role of DoF (as a meaningful role)? GM gets this job but Paul gets DoF?
Interviews go like that sometimes. You didn't get Job A because we want you for Job B.
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If we appoint McSheffrey as manager then I really think it shows the board learned nothing from how our season collapsed under Butler. And that bodes terribly for the rest of the decisions they need to make to keep this club in the league.
I don’t get the Butler failed so McSheffery is likely to argument. It just makes no sense.
Obviously they are both very different people so it isn't so much about them as individuals.
To me, it is more about the fact that the team is in a position where it needs some experience, a bit of nous about the situation we are in. Last season I understood the continuity idea with Butler but it proved to be that he wasn't ready for the position and our season collapsed. Now we are in a dire league position, and may turn to the "next man up" again. McSheffrey repeatedly said he was unsure if he wanted the job, it would take him away from the reportedly stellar work he is doing in the academy and if it all goes tits up, in a few months we are right back here yet again doing a recruitment process for a new manager.
He will of course get my full backing and I like what I have seen of McSheffrey and Sinclair as characters, but in my opinion I think we will be relegated under them and will be looking for another new manager in 6-9 months, and we'll have set back McSheffrey's coaching career to boot.
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Performances are a matter of opinion.
I don't think there has been a marked improvement.
But when it comes to the quality and experience of the three candidates mentioned there's no contest.
It's a matter of fact.
You did not see the Burton and Crewe games if you make that observation.
There is a massive improvement in work rate and tempo from the games before those two.
Of course I saw the games.
I've seen all three since Gary became caretaker, how else could I make a judgement?
But I just don't think there has been a massive improvement.
A slight improvement maybe, but not huge.
Even he says himself that of the three games we've only played okay in one and a half of them.
When someone new takes over there is always a tendency to say things have improved, look at Andy Butler for instance.
If it's GM then obviously we get behind him but he doesn't even come close to the experience, in terms of managing and coaching, of the other two.
It doesn’t matter if the caretaker manager was Gary McSheffrey or Pep Guardiola, he could only work with the players we had for those three games and I doubt there’s anyone that could’ve done any better with that limiting factor.
Is that alone enough to give him the job? Of course not. But if he is to get the full time job then we have to trust that, all things considered, he has shown up best in the recruitment process undertaken. This isn’t like the Butler situation - he was given the job seemingly without consideration of any other options at the time. This time we’ve gone through a whole process and we have to place reliance on that.
As someone else has pointed out above. Trollope is only considered a good option because he delivered a decent record when given the chance in the same position McSheffrey is now in. Simpson also was given a chance once upon a time.
If McSheffrey has convinced the Board to give him a chance then he gets my 100% backing. When you listen to him he’s clearly an articulate, intelligent and considered character. That, along with vast experience in the game, is a good starting point.
Echo those thoughts. DM dumped on us from a great height and Butler was brave enough to take the reigns and I imagine it's a different ball game going from player to manager, than coach to coach.
GMc has broad appeal and seems to have the confidence of the players. Perhaps when Butt's took over, some of the players were already looking at pastures new and didn't really give two hoots, particularly as they may have thought Butt's wouldn't have any influence on their future anyway
Both of the main contenders will have their own demands and needs for the job so the board may be having to get these things or people in place. Could be a situation where the club might want to promote GMc to an assistant role or the other guy wants his own team and/or support structure, who knows.
Exciting times ahead whomever takes the reigns.
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Guess the household names aren’t coming then
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Just listened to interview on Twitter with Adam Oxley from GMC he has had an interview and follow up interview just waiting for a decision. He’s getting the players ready for Sunderland game.
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Guess the household names aren’t coming then
They're household names in their own house.
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Will be happy with Gary mc. Why not take a punt. The merry go round managers don't always work
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100% support needed but I can hear the wolves knocking the door down.
GM getting it will go down like a lead balloon with 70% of our so called fans.
The board need to find some bunkers quick.
If this does not go well there will be riots on the streets of Doncaster.
Oh this site won’t be much fun with some either.
I am about to take cover can hear the noises overhead already. :chair:
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This whole thing seems like the tail wagging the dog again. If we had someone with vision at the club, we could have just gone appointed GM if that's what we wanted to do and spent this time building his coaching team, hiring a top DoF, and finding a suitable replacement for his U18s role. If that happened I don't think I'd be complaining. Why have we dragged it out looking for maybe a manager and maybe a head coach?
And as RA says there's every possibility McSheffrey will be out of a job in a few months. Of course, that's a risk with any manager but in this case it'll set the first team and youth teams even further back. I'm just not reassured that any lessons have been learned by the men in charge.
Shouldn't have to say this but of course I'll back GM if it is him.
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Unfortunately its easy to criticize the appointment on 4/5 lines. (non of which I can be arsed to go into, read twitter)
My surprise (if this is true) is that the club seem to be reorganising the whole structure around a first team coach and a broader/panel or team who lead the recruitment. That is fine, let's see if it works. But if the objective was to then appoint a top coach, how did they arrive at GM compared to the other two? They both have just shy of 20 years top top quality coaching experience.
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Trollope has come in back a little to 4/1 level with Simpson.
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Unfortunately its easy to criticize the appointment on 4/5 lines. (non of which I can be arsed to go into, read twitter)
My surprise (if this is true) is that the club seem to be reorganising the whole structure around a first team coach and a broader/panel or team who lead the recruitment. That is fine, let's see if it works. But if the objective was to then appoint a top coach, how did they arrive at GM compared to the other two? They both have just shy of 20 years top top quality coaching experience.
They might not want to work with a DoF
Many managers want total control themselves. Not saying they are right but it’s a fact most do.
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Unfortunately its easy to criticize the appointment on 4/5 lines. (non of which I can be arsed to go into, read twitter)
My surprise (if this is true) is that the club seem to be reorganising the whole structure around a first team coach and a broader/panel or team who lead the recruitment. That is fine, let's see if it works. But if the objective was to then appoint a top coach, how did they arrive at GM compared to the other two? They both have just shy of 20 years top top quality coaching experience.
They might not want to work with a DoF
Many managers want total control themselves. Not saying they are right but it’s a fact most do.
None of the candidates have enough clout to be making demands about who is or isn't employed above them.
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Unfortunately its easy to criticize the appointment on 4/5 lines. (non of which I can be arsed to go into, read twitter)
My surprise (if this is true) is that the club seem to be reorganising the whole structure around a first team coach and a broader/panel or team who lead the recruitment. That is fine, let's see if it works. But if the objective was to then appoint a top coach, how did they arrive at GM compared to the other two? They both have just shy of 20 years top top quality coaching experience.
They might not want to work with a DoF
Many managers want total control themselves. Not saying they are right but it’s a fact most do.
None of the candidates have enough clout to be making demands about who is or isn't employed above them.
You would be surprised Chris.
They think they have though. They will be making their own demands or they won’t be interested in taking the job.
Some of these guys are not desperate for the job.
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There's two ways the DOF scenario can go. One is the old head in the background offering wisdom and possibly stability to a traditional manager role, and the other if having a wider club set up including the DOF that deals with most of the club business but giving the "coach" some level of automony and lots of support to do the business directly relating to onfield business and choice of personel.
I think the latter is what the club are aiming for, and could be appealing to a lot of managers who are otherwise too stretched in the modern club set up. It's obviously a delicate balance, but can work.
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Unfortunately its easy to criticize the appointment on 4/5 lines. (non of which I can be arsed to go into, read twitter)
My surprise (if this is true) is that the club seem to be reorganising the whole structure around a first team coach and a broader/panel or team who lead the recruitment. That is fine, let's see if it works. But if the objective was to then appoint a top coach, how did they arrive at GM compared to the other two? They both have just shy of 20 years top top quality coaching experience.
They might not want to work with a DoF
Many managers want total control themselves. Not saying they are right but it’s a fact most do.
None of the candidates have enough clout to be making demands about who is or isn't employed above them.
Its about negotiation though. If you don't ask you don't get. You might get some of what you want if not all.
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I was about to say I can't believe the shitfest of fans we have on Twitter/Facebook who have us banged on for relegation if we hire McSheffrey, but you know what I 100% can believe it. They're a disgrace.
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Unfortunately its easy to criticize the appointment on 4/5 lines. (non of which I can be arsed to go into, read twitter)
My surprise (if this is true) is that the club seem to be reorganising the whole structure around a first team coach and a broader/panel or team who lead the recruitment. That is fine, let's see if it works. But if the objective was to then appoint a top coach, how did they arrive at GM compared to the other two? They both have just shy of 20 years top top quality coaching experience.
They might not want to work with a DoF
Many managers want total control themselves. Not saying they are right but it’s a fact most do.
Which is why the DoF structure is something the club needs to commit to fully. I don't like this wishy washy "maybe we'll appoint a manager maybe we'll appoint a head coach" approach. Commit to the structure and get the best people for the job. Don't do the same thing you always do and try to cram the new structure in around the new manager.
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100% support needed but I can hear the wolves knocking the door down.
GM getting it will go down like a lead balloon with 70% of our so called fans.
The board need to find some bunkers quick.
If this does not go well there will be riots on the streets of Doncaster.
Oh this site won’t be much fun with some either.
I am about to take cover can hear the noises overhead already. :chair:
Spot on your right there.
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I was about to say I can't believe the shitfest of fans we have on Twitter/Facebook who have us banged on for relegation if we hire McSheffrey, but you know what I 100% can believe it. They're a disgrace.
Brain cells are a scarce thing on t**tter
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Hoden says it’s unlikely to be announced before the weekend now.
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100% support needed but I can hear the wolves knocking the door down.
GM getting it will go down like a lead balloon with 70% of our so called fans.
The board need to find some bunkers quick.
If this does not go well there will be riots on the streets of Doncaster.
Oh this site won’t be much fun with some either.
I am about to take cover can hear the noises overhead already. :chair:
Spot on your right there.
They don't represent 70% of the fans, nor do the contributers on here. The quiet majority don't feel the need to criticise at every given opportunity.
Just had a look on Facebook and the snippet from GMs interview. You can see he wants the opportunity.
Of course, there are concerns and unknowns as with any new manager but he seems to have the intelligence to excell at his craft and learn through experience.
Of course, you get the cheap option comments. Also a couple saying cheap options for both Simpson and Trollope and others saying 'Never heard of them'.
If McSheffrey gets the job, then he's done it on merit. He's been given the chance, rightly so, to sell himself to the board as have all the other candidates. Why would you not open the job up to seek the best person for it.
We shouldn't get too infatuated with the structure, it's the people who make it work. Good people work together and make good things happen.
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Liam Hoden
@liamhoden
There is a distinct possibility that paperwork will not be completed until after the weekend. The club are very, very unlikely to make an announcement until contracts are signed #drfc
Can't imagine it's GM, then? What paperwork could be needed in that case?
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Liam Hoden
@liamhoden
There is a distinct possibility that paperwork will not be completed until after the weekend. The club are very, very unlikely to make an announcement until contracts are signed #drfc
Can't imagine it's GM, then? What paperwork could be needed in that case?
Conversely if it is him then no paperwork done and formal announcement is no big issue as he's already in place anyway.
No doubt there will be a meltdown for the massive impact it will have over the next few days.....
They're better off getting it right than rushing it through.
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I was about to say I can't believe the shitfest of fans we have on Twitter/Facebook who have us banged on for relegation if we hire McSheffrey, but you know what I 100% can believe it. They're a disgrace.
With all due respect although I agree there a select few that come across as childish idiots there are a few good points they make.
Right now the way we have handled this change of manager if we are as it looks to be appointing McSheffery is nothing but farcical after 3 weeks of telling fans we have had a number of top applicants apply that have worked in the Prem and Championship just to then appoint Gary Mc when they could’ve just done this 3 weeks so the squad is settled and knows what is going on. I’m not naive to understand that some managers maybe didn’t like our budget or we couldn’t afford them but this process in the position we are currently in was the wrong option.
The meet the owners event was pointless and all they have done is told you what you want to hear just to appease the fans but in reality we all know reading between the lines they don’t come across too well in it.
The club has a lot do to do in the background to restore faith in the fans. Apart from loving my club as a supporter they really aren’t doing anything to get fans in the ground.
I love my club but seriously right now it’s a mess.
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The paperwork is the successful candidates contract, whoever it is. Even if it’s McS if they haven’t told him yet they still have to agree terms and would be stupid to announce before terms agreed.
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Liam Hoden
@liamhoden
There is a distinct possibility that paperwork will not be completed until after the weekend. The club are very, very unlikely to make an announcement until contracts are signed #drfc
Can't imagine it's GM, then? What paperwork could be needed in that case?
Conversely if it is him then no paperwork done and formal announcement is no big issue as he's already in place anyway.
No doubt there will be a meltdown for the massive impact it will have over the next few days.....
They're better off getting it right than rushing it through.
If GM gets it he will still have to study the contract and discuss it with his solicitor before signing it surely.
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Surely the point of the interview is to see what each candidate says in terms of how they plan to manage. Even if they were good candidates on paper they may not have the philosophy the board want so no, the 3 weeks is not wasted. It’s a process to determine whether their attitude and philosophy match that of the club. If it doesn’t then it’s the right decision and a good process to have followed.
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I was about to say I can't believe the shitfest of fans we have on Twitter/Facebook who have us banged on for relegation if we hire McSheffrey, but you know what I 100% can believe it. They're a disgrace.
With all due respect although I agree there a select few that come across as childish idiots there are a few good points they make.
Right now the way we have handled this change of manager if we are as it looks to be appointing McSheffery is nothing but farcical after 3 weeks of telling fans we have had a number of top applicants apply that have worked in the Prem and Championship just to then appoint Gary Mc when they could’ve just done this 3 weeks so the squad is settled and knows what is going on. I’m not naive to understand that some managers maybe didn’t like our budget or we couldn’t afford them but this process in the position we are currently in was the wrong option.
The meet the owners event was pointless and all they have done is told you what you want to hear just to appease the fans but in reality we all know reading between the lines they don’t come across too well in it.
The club has a lot do to do in the background to restore faith in the fans. Apart from loving my club as a supporter they really aren’t doing anything to get fans in the ground.
I love my club but seriously right now it’s a mess.
Couldn't disagree more but respect your opinion.
There's thankfully one thing that will get more fans in the ground and restore faith, and that's results and performances.
The announcement is one thing but by now we can assume the successful candidate knows and that's good enough for me.
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100% support needed but I can hear the wolves knocking the door down.
GM getting it will go down like a lead balloon with 70% of our so called fans.
The board need to find some bunkers quick.
If this does not go well there will be riots on the streets of Doncaster.
Oh this site won’t be much fun with some either.
I am about to take cover can hear the noises overhead already. :chair:
Spot on your right there.
They don't represent 70% of the fans, nor do the contributers on here. The quiet majority don't feel the need to criticise at every given opportunity.
Just had a look on Facebook and the snippet from GMs interview. You can see he wants the opportunity.
Of course, there are concerns and unknowns as with any new manager but he seems to have the intelligence to excell at his craft and learn through experience.
Of course, you get the cheap option comments. Also a couple saying cheap options for both Simpson and Trollope and others saying 'Never heard of them'.
If McSheffrey gets the job, then he's done it on merit. He's been given the chance, rightly so, to sell himself to the board as have all the other candidates. Why would you not open the job up to seek the best person for it.
We shouldn't get too infatuated with the structure, it's the people who make it work. Good people work together and make good things happen.
Thanks for the reasoned post DonnyBaz.
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Would n’t a contract need to be lodged with the FA or the LMA?
Might be the reason why an announcement would be late
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I was about to say I can't believe the shitfest of fans we have on Twitter/Facebook who have us banged on for relegation if we hire McSheffrey, but you know what I 100% can believe it. They're a disgrace.
With all due respect although I agree there a select few that come across as childish idiots there are a few good points they make.
Right now the way we have handled this change of manager if we are as it looks to be appointing McSheffery is nothing but farcical after 3 weeks of telling fans we have had a number of top applicants apply that have worked in the Prem and Championship just to then appoint Gary Mc when they could’ve just done this 3 weeks so the squad is settled and knows what is going on. I’m not naive to understand that some managers maybe didn’t like our budget or we couldn’t afford them but this process in the position we are currently in was the wrong option.
The meet the owners event was pointless and all they have done is told you what you want to hear just to appease the fans but in reality we all know reading between the lines they don’t come across too well in it.
The club has a lot do to do in the background to restore faith in the fans. Apart from loving my club as a supporter they really aren’t doing anything to get fans in the ground.
I love my club but seriously right now it’s a mess.
Disagree Fal.
Unless you are a DRFC interview process insider then just like me you have no idea how the appointment process has been handled, but you call it a “mess” - please provide actual evidence of why the interview process is a “mess”.
If the Owners meeting was pointless then that’s the fault of the attendees there who blew their chance to ask the “right” questions? And just because you perhaps didn’t like the responses to the questions asked, that doesn’t mean the board were b*llshitting.
Finally, In my view the person we appoint needs to be the best for DRFC as we are, regardless of previous managerial status, be it Premier /Championship/GM or even National League North.
Regards
BVB
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I was about to say I can't believe the shitfest of fans we have on Twitter/Facebook who have us banged on for relegation if we hire McSheffrey, but you know what I 100% can believe it. They're a disgrace.
With all due respect although I agree there a select few that come across as childish idiots there are a few good points they make.
Right now the way we have handled this change of manager if we are as it looks to be appointing McSheffery is nothing but farcical after 3 weeks of telling fans we have had a number of top applicants apply that have worked in the Prem and Championship just to then appoint Gary Mc when they could’ve just done this 3 weeks so the squad is settled and knows what is going on. I’m not naive to understand that some managers maybe didn’t like our budget or we couldn’t afford them but this process in the position we are currently in was the wrong option.
The meet the owners event was pointless and all they have done is told you what you want to hear just to appease the fans but in reality we all know reading between the lines they don’t come across too well in it.
The club has a lot do to do in the background to restore faith in the fans. Apart from loving my club as a supporter they really aren’t doing anything to get fans in the ground.
I love my club but seriously right now it’s a mess.
Or McSheffrey has put himself across the best out of all those interviewed? And the board went into the process with an open mind.
The MTO was shit, but this was largely due to people asking questions that were answered the week before.
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How about the household names priced themselves out with expected salaries
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Liam Hoden
@liamhoden
There is a distinct possibility that paperwork will not be completed until after the weekend. The club are very, very unlikely to make an announcement until contracts are signed #drfc
Can't imagine it's GM, then? What paperwork could be needed in that case?
Conversely if it is him then no paperwork done and formal announcement is no big issue as he's already in place anyway.
No doubt there will be a meltdown for the massive impact it will have over the next few days.....
They're better off getting it right than rushing it through.
If GM gets it he will still have to study the contract and discuss it with his solicitor before signing it surely.
It doesn't take 4 days to do that with all due respect.
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Liam Hoden
@liamhoden
There is a distinct possibility that paperwork will not be completed until after the weekend. The club are very, very unlikely to make an announcement until contracts are signed #drfc
Can't imagine it's GM, then? What paperwork could be needed in that case?
Conversely if it is him then no paperwork done and formal announcement is no big issue as he's already in place anyway.
No doubt there will be a meltdown for the massive impact it will have over the next few days.....
They're better off getting it right than rushing it through.
If GM gets it he will still have to study the contract and discuss it with his solicitor before signing it surely.
It doesn't take 4 days to do that with all due respect.
To be fair I have never taken a job offer to my solicitor
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Is it me or have we basically spent the last four seasons waiting for a decision on a new manager?
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It always seems to me that the board want to appoint someone already in the job. If Jones hadn’t have been such a car crash he’d have got the job. Likewise Butler. As soon as they pressured G Mac to apply, after him saying he didn’t want it, it was obvious they wanted him to have it. I do find it a bit strange it’s taken so long again. Also to those saying it opens to door for Simpson/Trollope to be the DOF it surely can’t be. They’re respected coaches who do the work on the training ground day to day. They’d have been the perfect head coach with a DOF above them.
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It always seems to me that the board want to appoint someone already in the job. If Jones hadn’t have been such a car crash he’d have got the job. Likewise Butler. As soon as they pressured G Mac to apply, after him saying he didn’t want it, it was obvious they wanted him to have it. I do find it a bit strange it’s taken so long again. Also to those saying it opens to door for Simpson/Trollope to be the DOF it surely can’t be. They’re respected coaches who do the work on the training ground day to day. They’d have been the perfect head coach with a DOF above them.
Two points.
.1. GM didn't say he didn't want it. He was very careful with his choice of words
2. How do you come to the assumption the board pressurised him to apply? If he didn't want to be considered he could have simply said no.
I think you should listen to his latest interview.
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Liam Hoden
@liamhoden
There is a distinct possibility that paperwork will not be completed until after the weekend. The club are very, very unlikely to make an announcement until contracts are signed #drfc
Can't imagine it's GM, then? What paperwork could be needed in that case?
Conversely if it is him then no paperwork done and formal announcement is no big issue as he's already in place anyway.
No doubt there will be a meltdown for the massive impact it will have over the next few days.....
They're better off getting it right than rushing it through.
If GM gets it he will still have to study the contract and discuss it with his solicitor before signing it surely.
It doesn't take 4 days to do that with all due respect.
To be fair I have never taken a job offer to my solicitor
To be fair you maybe never have matched his potential wage and also worked in as a volatile environment as professional football.
Footballers move in different circles to a lot of other professions.
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It always seems to me that the board want to appoint someone already in the job. If Jones hadn’t have been such a car crash he’d have got the job. Likewise Butler. As soon as they pressured G Mac to apply, after him saying he didn’t want it, it was obvious they wanted him to have it. I do find it a bit strange it’s taken so long again. Also to those saying it opens to door for Simpson/Trollope to be the DOF it surely can’t be. They’re respected coaches who do the work on the training ground day to day. They’d have been the perfect head coach with a DOF above them.
Two points.
.1. GM didn't say he didn't want it. He was very careful with his choice of words
2. How do you come to the assumption the board pressurised him to apply? If he didn't want to be considered he could have simply said no.
I think you should listen to his latest interview.
his latest interview is very different to his first thought isn’t it. He knows he’s got the job he’s hardly going to come out and say he’s not really bothered is he. The board stated they invited him to apply. So he hadnt applied. If your boss asks you to apply for a promotion to better yourself you’re not going to say no are you.
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In his earlier interview, he bought himself some thinking time.
He clearly values his family life and enjoys the job he's doing but he obviously wanted to talk things over with his family etc.
I had a lad who worked for me. I encouraged him to go for promotion as he was talented and had the right skill set.
At first, he was reluctant, but thought about it and went for it and got the promotion. 5 years later, he became my boss. Some people just need a little push and encouragement. That's life isn't it.
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McSheffrey clear favourite now with the bookies!
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It always seems to me that the board want to appoint someone already in the job. If Jones hadn’t have been such a car crash he’d have got the job. Likewise Butler. As soon as they pressured G Mac to apply, after him saying he didn’t want it, it was obvious they wanted him to have it. I do find it a bit strange it’s taken so long again. Also to those saying it opens to door for Simpson/Trollope to be the DOF it surely can’t be. They’re respected coaches who do the work on the training ground day to day. They’d have been the perfect head coach with a DOF above them.
Two points.
.1. GM didn't say he didn't want it. He was very careful with his choice of words
2. How do you come to the assumption the board pressurised him to apply? If he didn't want to be considered he could have simply said no.
I think you should listen to his latest interview.
his latest interview is very different to his first thought isn’t it. He knows he’s got the job he’s hardly going to come out and say he’s not really bothered is he. The board stated they invited him to apply. So he hadnt applied. If your boss asks you to apply for a promotion to better yourself you’re not going to say no are you.
Jeez Donnybax, your sounding like a child and very desperate to be right with that garbage. You really think the board would waste peoples time like you suggest ?
Grow up
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Well it looks like G Mac. Bit underwhelming I must say but he’s going to need us all to get behind him
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It always seems to me that the board want to appoint someone already in the job. If Jones hadn’t have been such a car crash he’d have got the job. Likewise Butler. As soon as they pressured G Mac to apply, after him saying he didn’t want it, it was obvious they wanted him to have it. I do find it a bit strange it’s taken so long again. Also to those saying it opens to door for Simpson/Trollope to be the DOF it surely can’t be. They’re respected coaches who do the work on the training ground day to day. They’d have been the perfect head coach with a DOF above them.
Two points.
.1. GM didn't say he didn't want it. He was very careful with his choice of words
2. How do you come to the assumption the board pressurised him to apply? If he didn't want to be considered he could have simply said no.
I think you should listen to his latest interview.
his latest interview is very different to his first thought isn’t it. He knows he’s got the job he’s hardly going to come out and say he’s not really bothered is he. The board stated they invited him to apply. So he hadnt applied. If your boss asks you to apply for a promotion to better yourself you’re not going to say no are you.
Jeez Donnybax, your sounding like a child and very desperate to be right with that garbage. You really think the board would waste peoples time like you suggest ?
Grow up
absolutely not at all. I hope G Mac is a success. I like him. I’m just not sure the time is right. He seemed to be well in the youth team and also that at this stage in his career that’s where he was suited. His very first interview he didn’t seem keen on the job at all. He was trying to perk the team up for a new man coming in. No matter how many times I read my post I refuse to believe it is childish, more realist
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It always seems to me that the board want to appoint someone already in the job. If Jones hadn’t have been such a car crash he’d have got the job. Likewise Butler. As soon as they pressured G Mac to apply, after him saying he didn’t want it, it was obvious they wanted him to have it. I do find it a bit strange it’s taken so long again. Also to those saying it opens to door for Simpson/Trollope to be the DOF it surely can’t be. They’re respected coaches who do the work on the training ground day to day. They’d have been the perfect head coach with a DOF above them.
Two points.
.1. GM didn't say he didn't want it. He was very careful with his choice of words
2. How do you come to the assumption the board pressurised him to apply? If he didn't want to be considered he could have simply said no.
I think you should listen to his latest interview.
his latest interview is very different to his first thought isn’t it. He knows he’s got the job he’s hardly going to come out and say he’s not really bothered is he. The board stated they invited him to apply. So he hadnt applied. If your boss asks you to apply for a promotion to better yourself you’re not going to say no are you.
Jeez Donnybax, your sounding like a child and very desperate to be right with that garbage. You really think the board would waste peoples time like you suggest ?
Grow up
absolutely not at all. I hope G Mac is a success. I like him. I’m just not sure the time is right. He seemed to be well in the youth team and also that at this stage in his career that’s where he was suited. His very first interview he didn’t seem keen on the job at all. He was trying to perk the team up for a new man coming in. No matter how many times I read my post I refuse to believe it is childish, more realist
He knows he’s got the job is what I picked upon. That surely shows why I thought it was childish. You could call that slander. :rtid:
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It always seems to me that the board want to appoint someone already in the job. If Jones hadn’t have been such a car crash he’d have got the job. Likewise Butler. As soon as they pressured G Mac to apply, after him saying he didn’t want it, it was obvious they wanted him to have it. I do find it a bit strange it’s taken so long again. Also to those saying it opens to door for Simpson/Trollope to be the DOF it surely can’t be. They’re respected coaches who do the work on the training ground day to day. They’d have been the perfect head coach with a DOF above them.
Two points.
.1. GM didn't say he didn't want it. He was very careful with his choice of words
2. How do you come to the assumption the board pressurised him to apply? If he didn't want to be considered he could have simply said no.
I think you should listen to his latest interview.
his latest interview is very different to his first thought isn’t it. He knows he’s got the job he’s hardly going to come out and say he’s not really bothered is he. The board stated they invited him to apply. So he hadnt applied. If your boss asks you to apply for a promotion to better yourself you’re not going to say no are you.
Jeez Donnybax, your sounding like a child and very desperate to be right with that garbage. You really think the board would waste peoples time like you suggest ?
Grow up
absolutely not at all. I hope G Mac is a success. I like him. I’m just not sure the time is right. He seemed to be well in the youth team and also that at this stage in his career that’s where he was suited. His very first interview he didn’t seem keen on the job at all. He was trying to perk the team up for a new man coming in. No matter how many times I read my post I refuse to believe it is childish, more realist
He knows he’s got the job is what I picked upon. That surely shows why I thought it was childish. You could call that slander. :rtid:
Jesus Christ.
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Seems like a very intelligent fella to me, was a decent player and been around the club for sometime and knows the kind of football the board and the fans want to see on the pitch.
Sinclair appears to be the perfect match as his assistant and they almost remind me of a SOD / O'Kelly pairing with their different characteristics and personalities, I'm quite excited by the thought of them in a permanent position.
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It always seems to me that the board want to appoint someone already in the job. If Jones hadn’t have been such a car crash he’d have got the job. Likewise Butler. As soon as they pressured G Mac to apply, after him saying he didn’t want it, it was obvious they wanted him to have it. I do find it a bit strange it’s taken so long again. Also to those saying it opens to door for Simpson/Trollope to be the DOF it surely can’t be. They’re respected coaches who do the work on the training ground day to day. They’d have been the perfect head coach with a DOF above them.
Two points.
.1. GM didn't say he didn't want it. He was very careful with his choice of words
2. How do you come to the assumption the board pressurised him to apply? If he didn't want to be considered he could have simply said no.
I think you should listen to his latest interview.
his latest interview is very different to his first thought isn’t it. He knows he’s got the job he’s hardly going to come out and say he’s not really bothered is he. The board stated they invited him to apply. So he hadnt applied. If your boss asks you to apply for a promotion to better yourself you’re not going to say no are you.
Jeez Donnybax, your sounding like a child and very desperate to be right with that garbage. You really think the board would waste peoples time like you suggest ?
Grow up
absolutely not at all. I hope G Mac is a success. I like him. I’m just not sure the time is right. He seemed to be well in the youth team and also that at this stage in his career that’s where he was suited. His very first interview he didn’t seem keen on the job at all. He was trying to perk the team up for a new man coming in. No matter how many times I read my post I refuse to believe it is childish, more realist
He knows he’s got the job is what I picked upon. That surely shows why I thought it was childish. You could call that slander. :rtid:
Jesus Christ.
You’ve accused the board of making an appointment before the interview process was over.
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I think they wanted him to succeed and give it to him yes. Likewise Jones and Butler.
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Now that would have come across as a well thought out answer.
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I would be more underwhelmed with Trollope etc.....managers who have been on the merry-go-round.
Excited if it's GMac. He is a cov city legend and living here for 28 years know he's got so.ething about him
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I think Gary would be an excellent head coach, might need someone to help out with other aspects. Ready made assistant in Frank S too
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100% support needed but I can hear the wolves knocking the door down.
GM getting it will go down like a lead balloon with 70% of our so called fans.
The board need to find some bunkers quick.
If this does not go well there will be riots on the streets of Doncaster.
Oh this site won’t be much fun with some either.
I am about to take cover can hear the noises overhead already. :chair:
Spot on your right there.
They don't represent 70% of the fans, nor do the contributers on here. The quiet majority don't feel the need to criticise at every given opportunity.
Just had a look on Facebook and the snippet from GMs interview. You can see he wants the opportunity.
Of course, there are concerns and unknowns as with any new manager but he seems to have the intelligence to excell at his craft and learn through experience.
Of course, you get the cheap option comments. Also a couple saying cheap options for both Simpson and Trollope and others saying 'Never heard of them'.
If McSheffrey gets the job, then he's done it on merit. He's been given the chance, rightly so, to sell himself to the board as have all the other candidates. Why would you not open the job up to seek the best person for it.
We shouldn't get too infatuated with the structure, it's the people who make it work. Good people work together and make good things happen.
Good post. The man that gets the job will be the one that impresses most throughout the process. If that’s Gary then so be it. He’s certainly hasn’t done himself any harm with how he has set up the team and how he has come across with the media.
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100% support needed but I can hear the wolves knocking the door down.
GM getting it will go down like a lead balloon with 70% of our so called fans.
The board need to find some bunkers quick.
If this does not go well there will be riots on the streets of Doncaster.
Oh this site won’t be much fun with some either.
I am about to take cover can hear the noises overhead already. :chair:
Spot on your right there.
They don't represent 70% of the fans, nor do the contributers on here. The quiet majority don't feel the need to criticise at every given opportunity.
Just had a look on Facebook and the snippet from GMs interview. You can see he wants the opportunity.
Of course, there are concerns and unknowns as with any new manager but he seems to have the intelligence to excell at his craft and learn through experience.
Of course, you get the cheap option comments. Also a couple saying cheap options for both Simpson and Trollope and others saying 'Never heard of them'.
If McSheffrey gets the job, then he's done it on merit. He's been given the chance, rightly so, to sell himself to the board as have all the other candidates. Why would you not open the job up to seek the best person for it.
We shouldn't get too infatuated with the structure, it's the people who make it work. Good people work together and make good things happen.
Good post. The man that gets the job will be the one that impresses most throughout the process. If that’s Gary then so be it. He’s certainly hasn’t done himself any harm with how he has set up the team and how he has come across with the media.
What, 2 defeats (one of which was a battering by a below mid table league 2 club) and a very fortunate win against a side by 4th from bottom in L1. Hardly inspired stuff.
However, I will get behind him if he’s appointed. Hopefully he can kick in with some players back in the squad and some new arrivals. Massive gamble though
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I don't suppose it matters a whole lot, but, if it is to be GMc, exactly what criteria ( as set by the board) does ( or did) he meet. Not that i wont support fully GMc, i will. Just interested to know the answer to that.
I suppose the answer could be that no applicant actually met the criteria anyway, and better the devil you know scenario.
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The announcement of the new manager will come Tuesday or Wednesday next week. The decision been made and the clubs hierarchy believe they’ve got their man. Plus a plan of the structure around him. They don’t want distractions before the game on Monday.
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100% support needed but I can hear the wolves knocking the door down.
GM getting it will go down like a lead balloon with 70% of our so called fans.
The board need to find some bunkers quick.
If this does not go well there will be riots on the streets of Doncaster.
Oh this site won’t be much fun with some either.
I am about to take cover can hear the noises overhead already. :chair:
Spot on your right there.
They don't represent 70% of the fans, nor do the contributers on here. The quiet majority don't feel the need to criticise at every given opportunity.
Just had a look on Facebook and the snippet from GMs interview. You can see he wants the opportunity.
Of course, there are concerns and unknowns as with any new manager but he seems to have the intelligence to excell at his craft and learn through experience.
Of course, you get the cheap option comments. Also a couple saying cheap options for both Simpson and Trollope and others saying 'Never heard of them'.
If McSheffrey gets the job, then he's done it on merit. He's been given the chance, rightly so, to sell himself to the board as have all the other candidates. Why would you not open the job up to seek the best person for it.
We shouldn't get too infatuated with the structure, it's the people who make it work. Good people work together and make good things happen.
Good post. The man that gets the job will be the one that impresses most throughout the process. If that’s Gary then so be it. He’s certainly hasn’t done himself any harm with how he has set up the team and how he has come across with the media.
What, 2 defeats (one of which was a battering by a below mid table league 2 club) and a very fortunate win against a side by 4th from bottom in L1. Hardly inspired stuff.
However, I will get behind him if he’s appointed. Hopefully he can kick in with some players back in the squad and some new arrivals. Massive gamble though
Oxford were in the play-off positions, not “mid table” and given the material which was a below-strength version of Wellens recruits, scoring goals and winning a game with renewed spirit is probably about as good as anyone could do with the assets at his disposal.
Those within the club will have seen and know more of his abilities than we do and they will have made their judgement based on more than the results of two matches, if indeed he does get the job!
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Not sure I understand that.
1. If GMc hasn't got the job it will be a distraction.
2. If GMc has got the job, let's get on with it and get behind him.
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Has the betting market closed? I can’t find latest odds now.
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Is it just me that is dreading the backlash from certain sections if GM gets the job? I am very impressed with the little I have seen of him so far and will back him 100%. But the teddies getting thrown out them pram is frankly embarrassing already on a number of platforms just at the prospect of him getting the job.
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Is it just me that is dreading the backlash from certain sections if GM gets the job? I am very impressed with the little I have seen of him so far and will back him 100%. But the teddies getting thrown out them pram is frankly embarrassing already on a number of platforms just at the prospect of him getting the job.
It’s embarrassing Cramby.
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Is it just me that is dreading the backlash from certain sections if GM gets the job? I am very impressed with the little I have seen of him so far and will back him 100%. But the teddies getting thrown out them pram is frankly embarrassing already on a number of platforms just at the prospect of him getting the job.
As said before, there's nothing to dread. As per usual, there will be a few who shoot first and think later. Probs in a few games time, they'll be singing his name from the terraces but you know for a fact, the board won't get any credit if it turns out to be a shrewd appointment.
The same applies to whomever gets appointed.
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Is it just me that is dreading the backlash from certain sections if GM gets the job? I am very impressed with the little I have seen of him so far and will back him 100%. But the teddies getting thrown out them pram is frankly embarrassing already on a number of platforms just at the prospect of him getting the job.
Definitely not just you, I’m dreading it too. The backlash would be reserved for any manager we appoint as we have a high concentration of fans that are are utterly delusional. But McSheffrey seems a good guy, enjoys it at the club and likes living in the area. So the inevitable response from the idiots will feel particularly harsh on that basis.
Hopefully we can get some players in in January and get a few wins, as a win tends to shut people up for a few days.
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The problem is, is that it’s a massive task to get us out the position we’re in, regardless of who is appointed. Pep would even find it a struggle. If we go down, everyone will blame this manager, lack of experience, blah blah blah. So unless he provides us with a great escape then these numbties are waiting with the knives sharpened ready to stick em in.
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It is totally irrelevant who we appoint as manager, certain "supporters" will criticise the choice, and here's why:
Jealousy and a dissatisfaction with their own life. Because no matter how pathetic and failed your own life is, certain people get a momentary high finding fault and exclaiming that they would do something different that, to them, is quite clearly better.
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I agree our position looks bad, especially when coupled with how we were playing, however it is nowhere near impossible to get us out of this.
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Is it just me that is dreading the backlash from certain sections if GM gets the job? I am very impressed with the little I have seen of him so far and will back him 100%. But the teddies getting thrown out them pram is frankly embarrassing already on a number of platforms just at the prospect of him getting the job.
Definitely not just you, I’m dreading it too. The backlash would be reserved for any manager we appoint as we have a high concentration of fans that are are utterly delusional. But McSheffrey seems a good guy, enjoys it at the club and likes living in the area. So the inevitable response from the idiots will feel particularly harsh on that basis.
Hopefully we can get some players in in January and get a few wins, as a win tends to shut people up for a few days.
My question on this is what do these people want and expect? At what point have Rovers ever really gone for a top manager? The answer is really never.
Let's look back at the appointments in the football league;
Sean O'Driscoll - that was an appointment from the league we were in, we had a much bigger budget than Bournemouth at the time, though many did not like his style and approach it was a good long term choice.
Dean Saunders - appointed from non league in odd circumstances no doubt. Of all the options he was not the right one.
Brian Flynn - Appointment from within, obvious choice.
Paul Dickov - Wasn't universally a popular choice or necessarily successful elsewhere to justify the role. Wasn't the right choice at the time.
Darren Ferguson - Probably the biggest name of them all, but out of work and had a mixed career to that point.
Grant Mccann - One job prior to that which didn't last all that long, wasn't favoured.
Darren Moore - Standout candidate at the time, a bit of a surprise, again a free agent and ex player.
Andy Butler - Recruited from within, given the Covid circumstances obvious choice, dealt a tough hand given what Moore left him.
Richie Wellens - Again, he was the obvious choice at the time, didn't work out at all but was the appointment most of us would have made.
History tells us we aren't often going for big names, we aren't going to poach a manager and there's been connections to the club in most of the appointments in reality. Mccann was the slightly different one and ironically he was the one I didn't really want that worked out the best.
Out of them all on a success rate, most of them were successful overall. Dickov and Wellens of the permanent ones were the ones that were not. Even Saunders got it right eventually. I still wish Grant Mccann had stuck it out, had he done I feel we'd have been in the division above by now.
On the future, Mccann told us that sometimes coaches can be much better than the record suggests, he certainly was. The interesting thing for me is that Penny worked from within, but bar a short caretaker spell we haven't actually really tried it - remember Butler didn't even get 1 signing in fairness. Mcsheffrey is hard to judge from the outside and we should all bear in mind he's inheriting an unbalanced squad in the relegation zone. Taking out the nonsensical big names what other options are there that as fans we can evaluate? We don't have enough detail on the plans these coaches have or what the club want to do. Patience and support are powerful things as fans and we should get behind the new manager whoever they are.
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The problem is, is that it’s a massive task to get us out the position we’re in, regardless of who is appointed. Pep would even find it a struggle. If we go down, everyone will blame this manager, lack of experience, blah blah blah. So unless he provides us with a great escape then these numbties are waiting with the knives sharpened ready to stick em in.
Totally agree. It calls for a cool, calm head who refuses to panic and GMc seems to have the intelligence and demeanour for it. You can't help but be impressed with every interview he does.
Of course, there's some fundamental changes needed to the squad and he knows that all too well. Sounds like he's had some influence on the choice of targets already.
Things aren't going to change overnight. It's still going to be a struggle until more reinforcements arrive from transfers or off the treatment table or both. We have to accept the task ahead is the same no matter who's name is on the managers door.
The other good thing if it is GMc, is he well liked and will get universal support and starts with a clean bill of health whereas the previous encumbant had a section that was on his case from the start due to his perceived character.
He's in a win win situation as he'll get the credit when things go well, but the board will get it in the neck when things don't.
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If he’s the right man for the job fair enough. If he’s appointed I will support him. What I don’t understand, is going through all this rigmarole ,when the man is already at the club.
I think he’s done a decent job so far. Yes he’s lost more than he’s won, but he took over a side severely lacking in confidence.
Long term my opinion is it won’t work. We need someone who has done it all before. I know he has to get experience somewhere but this could cost us relegation. Let him be an understudy and learn a bit more. The new manager should have to take him as his successor when he leaves.
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Hodens new article is strange - they’ve made their decision but not announcing until after the Sunderland game to allow all focus to be on preparation for the game
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Oh and a new structure
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If it’s not Zidane there’ll be hell on :)
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Surely we would want to announce before the game to try and get that ‘new manager bounce’ effect?
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Oh and a new structure
So that suggests someone will be overseeing the Football recruitment and administration side of the operation.
Younger May just be going to do the scouting for new players as he probably is already.
A new man to oversee the football operation.
Oh yes what a load of waffle. We are going to have a DoF to keep it simple. Or are we. It’s like Christmas isn’t it. We don’t know what we are getting until it is unwrapped.
Oh it’s exciting. :that:
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If it’s not Zidane there’ll be hell on :)
If it is Zidane there will be hell on. Foreign manager. Oh we can’t have one of them can we. :facepalm:
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Think it’s maybe even more of a pointer to it being GMc ….. I think it will work with the right structure around him
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It has to be GM surely? With the admitted mistakes the club made over the last transfer window we wouldn't be leaving recruitment, scouting and budgeting this close to the start of the window? GM & FS have also had extra training tome to work with the squad with regards to systems, tactics and overall training. All this points to the logical step of GM being the next man in charge.
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GM was in on the recruitment meeting the other day, everything is pointing towards him, which I’m fine with
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It has to be GM surely? With the admitted mistakes the club made over the last transfer window we wouldn't be leaving recruitment, scouting and budgeting this close to the start of the window? GM & FS have also had extra training tome to work with the squad with regards to systems, tactics and overall training. All this points to the logical step of GM being the next man in charge.
If it is not him now I will quite frankly be staggered.
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It's someone + someone, and I think that explains the complexity.
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If you listened to his latest Radio Sheffield interview, it did sound like he had the job to me and just could not let anyone know. I may have been looking to much into it though.
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The director of football in my opinion will slow transfers down even more. But will help if the new manager is inexperienced as McSheffrey is. The guidance could be invaluable to him. If he hasn’t got the job, then two experienced guys working together, then it depends if they get on and want to play the same way.
The more people you involve, the more complex it becomes. Football is a very simple game , complicated by idiots at times.
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A Director of Football/Head of Football/Technical Director is there to put processes in places that improve the quality of decisions being made within the football department. They are not there to complicate things.
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So the second part of a prediction I made straight after RW's departure is set to come true. They appoint GM into the job, recruit nothing substantial at January, Rovers go down. They sack GM blaming him for the lack of decent football to stay up. Cut the budget again as we will be in Lg.2 appoint a worse manager sell off anybody decent because we have to cut wages and watch Rovers sink further. Great plan.
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Twitter is already in meltdown with the Richard Head comments
Apparently the board have lied and lied again
What a world we live in
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So the second part of a prediction I made straight after RW's departure is set to come true. They appoint GM into the job, recruit nothing substantial at January, Rovers go down. They sack GM blaming him for the lack of decent football to stay up. Cut the budget again as we will be in Lg.2 appoint a worse manager sell off anybody decent because we have to cut wages and watch Rovers sink further. Great plan.
Merry Christmas, joy to the world!
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So the second part of a prediction I made straight after RW's departure is set to come true. They appoint GM into the job, recruit nothing substantial at January, Rovers go down. They sack GM blaming him for the lack of decent football to stay up. Cut the budget again as we will be in Lg.2 appoint a worse manager sell off anybody decent because we have to cut wages and watch Rovers sink further. Great plan.
Bet Christmas is fun at yours
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So the second part of a prediction I made straight after RW's departure is set to come true. They appoint GM into the job, recruit nothing substantial at January, Rovers go down. They sack GM blaming him for the lack of decent football to stay up. Cut the budget again as we will be in Lg.2 appoint a worse manager sell off anybody decent because we have to cut wages and watch Rovers sink further. Great plan.
Cheer up it may not happen :rtid:
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I joined twitter to see other peoples opinions and wish I never. Talk about miserable, angry gob shites. How these people survive life I do not know.
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Has the betting market closed? I can’t find latest odds now.
Yes it was not on site this morning,they probably know a decision has been made,and it would make sense to close market just incase the select few in the know,might be tempted to profit in some way,Not that I think they would,especially the current recruitment staff.
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Can’t only be me that thinks its not cut and dry as GMC? Why would they be waiting until after the Sunderland game to announce it? Surely it wouldn’t be disruptive to announce the current caretaker has it full time?
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I don’t think it is McSheffrey. I think it’s either another in the betting or someone never mentioned.
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Just seen on sky sports news that John McMahon has left his role at Morecambe as assistant manager. He was assistant manager under Paul Simpson at Shrewsbury.
Don’t know if there’s anything in it but the reason we’re waiting until after the Sunderland game is because they are waiting for the new manager to get his coaching staff together.
https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2021/december/club-statement-john-mcmahon/
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Could be Bailey. Looking forward to whoever it is getting on with the job.
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I joined twitter to see other peoples opinions and wish I never. Talk about miserable, angry gob shites. How these people survive life I do not know.
It’s toxic Batley, I joined to read Hodens stuff and basically get a heads up about line ups an hour before kick off, never posted it just doesn’t go right in my (simple) head
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Just seen on sky sports news that John McMahon has left his role at Morecambe as assistant manager. He was assistant manager under Paul Simpson at Shrewsbury.
Don’t know if there’s anything in it but the reason we’re waiting until after the Sunderland game is because they are waiting for the new manager to get his coaching staff together.
https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2021/december/club-statement-john-mcmahon/
Not sure, we would have to pay some compo for that I would imagine
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I joined twitter to see other peoples opinions and wish I never. Talk about miserable, angry gob shites. How these people survive life I do not know.
It’s toxic Batley, I joined to read Hodens stuff and basically get a heads up about line ups an hour before kick off, never posted it just doesn’t go right in my (simple) head
They were both my reasons for joining as well.
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So the second part of a prediction I made straight after RW's departure is set to come true. They appoint GM into the job, recruit nothing substantial at January, Rovers go down. They sack GM blaming him for the lack of decent football to stay up. Cut the budget again as we will be in Lg.2 appoint a worse manager sell off anybody decent because we have to cut wages and watch Rovers sink further. Great plan.
give your head a wobble man.
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So the second part of a prediction I made straight after RW's departure is set to come true. They appoint GM into the job, recruit nothing substantial at January, Rovers go down. They sack GM blaming him for the lack of decent football to stay up. Cut the budget again as we will be in Lg.2 appoint a worse manager sell off anybody decent because we have to cut wages and watch Rovers sink further. Great plan.
Merry Christmas to you.
What a terrible and quite frankly ridiculous post imo.
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Maybe I'm reading into things more than was meant but Free press article on line says 'the new man' which would seem to suggest not McSheffrey.
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Just seen on sky sports news that John McMahon has left his role at Morecambe as assistant manager. He was assistant manager under Paul Simpson at Shrewsbury.
Don’t know if there’s anything in it but the reason we’re waiting until after the Sunderland game is because they are waiting for the new manager to get his coaching staff together.
https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2021/december/club-statement-john-mcmahon/
Not sure, we would have to pay some compo for that I would imagine
don’t think we would because he has left the club so we would only have to pay compensation if he’s already agreed to join us but if that was the case then I’d have thought we would’ve announced it.
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Since they aren't revealing the name of the new manager until after Sunderland, I think it's safe to say its not GM.
I can't see how confirming that he was staying in the role now would affect preparations for the game but confirmation of a change before the fixture could conceivably disrupt things.
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I joined twitter to see other peoples opinions and wish I never. Talk about miserable, angry gob shites. How these people survive life I do not know.
I do not go near it for that reason. Low life most of them must be the way they hide behind a keyboard spouting vile garbage.
I keep well away.
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It depends because you choose who to follow on Twitter so in the main end up reading views from people with similar interests and affinities .
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If it is GMc, which it probably is, it’s a strange one to wait till after Sunderland. Just think of a situation where we lose by 5/6 (which we are well capable of) then the next day announce GMc as perm manager. I know one game doesn’t mean anything but perception is important so better to announce it after a win imo rather than wait till after what could be a bad result.
Could go the other way like and we win and everyone is buzzing GMc becomes full time manager on Tuesday
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The more we hear now it would seem GM is either just going to be 1st team coach with a mentor of some sort above him or we are just getting someone else to be manager and possibly a DoF of some sort.
That’s the way I read it now. The excitement grows.
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Just seen on sky sports news that John McMahon has left his role at Morecambe as assistant manager. He was assistant manager under Paul Simpson at Shrewsbury.
Don’t know if there’s anything in it but the reason we’re waiting until after the Sunderland game is because they are waiting for the new manager to get his coaching staff together.
https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2021/december/club-statement-john-mcmahon/
Not sure, we would have to pay some compo for that I would imagine
Doubt there would be any compo. Mutually agreed to cancel his contract. Said he was was looking forward to Christmas with the family before embarking on his next challenge. Could be something in this.
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John McMahon had a discussion with morcambes manager and it was decided he would leave. It looks like that was happening it could be just coincidence about Simpson link. We will wait and see
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So the second part of a prediction I made straight after RW's departure is set to come true. They appoint GM into the job, recruit nothing substantial at January, Rovers go down. They sack GM blaming him for the lack of decent football to stay up. Cut the budget again as we will be in Lg.2 appoint a worse manager sell off anybody decent because we have to cut wages and watch Rovers sink further. Great plan.
Christmas? Bah humbug!
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Always a false sense of hope around about the time applications close, number of candidates applied and 'household names' Now back to reality.
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Just because someone is a “household name” doesn’t mean they are (a) any good and (b) the right man for us.
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Or as was almost certainly the case (c) never in a million years either an applicant or ever in the running, despite the total fantasies dreamed up by some people who thought experienced Premier League managers were going to come to manage a club firmly rooted in the relegation zone into the lowest level of the professional game.
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I don’t get this obsession with ‘household names’
In my opinion, these house hold names have been around 4/5/6 clubs, yes they have some short term success, but inevitably they end up leaving for one reason or another.
The position were in clearly isn’t great and maybe it does warrant a wise head, is this why we’re looking for a DOF? I’d much rather us take a punt on a young up and coming manager with something to prove rather than the ‘house hold name’
But like I said that’s just me. If it’s GMS or Simpson, either will do me just fine, go out and build a proper name for your self, only means one thing… rovers are likely to do well!
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Just seen on sky sports news that John McMahon has left his role at Morecambe as assistant manager. He was assistant manager under Paul Simpson at Shrewsbury.
Don’t know if there’s anything in it but the reason we’re waiting until after the Sunderland game is because they are waiting for the new manager to get his coaching staff together.
https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2021/december/club-statement-john-mcmahon/
Maybe he is going to be the new mentor for Gary Mac. Is an experienced coach who may prefer to take a role more as a DoF / technical director or whatever name you want to give the new role the club wish to create.
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A guy at work was one of the 140 applicants this year. His mate was assistant.
The household names we can't afford.
Klopp could apply but he wouldn't be interviewed.
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Or as was almost certainly the case (c) never in a million years either an applicant or ever in the running, despite the total fantasies dreamed up by some people who thought experienced Premier League managers were going to come to manage a club firmly rooted in the relegation zone into the lowest level of the professional game.
Didn't Liam Hoden mention that 2 managers in the 5 interviewees had Managed in the Premier League?
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Or as was almost certainly the case (c) never in a million years either an applicant or ever in the running, despite the total fantasies dreamed up by some people who thought experienced Premier League managers were going to come to manage a club firmly rooted in the relegation zone into the lowest level of the professional game.
Didn't Liam Hoden mention that 2 managers in the 5 interviewees had Managed in the Premier League?
Lawrie Sanchez managed in the Premier league. I hope he isn't one of them
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Or as was almost certainly the case (c) never in a million years either an applicant or ever in the running, despite the total fantasies dreamed up by some people who thought experienced Premier League managers were going to come to manage a club firmly rooted in the relegation zone into the lowest level of the professional game.
Didn't Liam Hoden mention that 2 managers in the 5 interviewees had Managed in the Premier League?
That’s why I said experienced Premier League managers - specifically these fantasies about Chris Hughton, Mick McCarthy or Steve McLaren. I don’t know how people can get themselves into a position where they think this is in any way logical or objectively possible in the real world.
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To be fair the club did talk it up, and they do tend to talk it up most times we open applications. (Baldwin in the radio Sheffield interview)
I imagine there's always one or two high profile names who apply, but with unrealistic expectations.
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Just seen on sky sports news that John McMahon has left his role at Morecambe as assistant manager. He was assistant manager under Paul Simpson at Shrewsbury.
Don’t know if there’s anything in it but the reason we’re waiting until after the Sunderland game is because they are waiting for the new manager to get his coaching staff together.
https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2021/december/club-statement-john-mcmahon/
Is it just me? They look just as much in the shite as us
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Just seen on sky sports news that John McMahon has left his role at Morecambe as assistant manager. He was assistant manager under Paul Simpson at Shrewsbury.
Don’t know if there’s anything in it but the reason we’re waiting until after the Sunderland game is because they are waiting for the new manager to get his coaching staff together.
https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2021/december/club-statement-john-mcmahon/
Is it just me? They look just as much in the shite as us
Yes but they are but not expected to even be in League 1.
Their fans would have taken 20th before the season started. We were expecting 10-14 well I was anyway.
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This was posted on the OS of Morecambe FC
“John and I spoke, we felt it was best for everybody that John moved on, he had a contract until the end of the season, but we felt it was in everybody’s best interests that we sorted something out now.
“We wish John nothing but the best, he’s a very good coach, a very good guy, and we wish him every success.”
Everybody at the Club would like to place on record its thanks to John for all his efforts during his time with the Shrimps and wish him the very best in his future endeavours.“
Is this the sort of message you would give someone moving on to something better? I don’t.
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Just seen on sky sports news that John McMahon has left his role at Morecambe as assistant manager. He was assistant manager under Paul Simpson at Shrewsbury.
Don’t know if there’s anything in it but the reason we’re waiting until after the Sunderland game is because they are waiting for the new manager to get his coaching staff together.
https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2021/december/club-statement-john-mcmahon/
Maybe he is going to be the new mentor for Gary Mac. Is an experienced coach who may prefer to take a role more as a DoF / technical director or whatever name you want to give the new role the club wish to create.
I can't stress this enough to folk, getting a Director of Football in or someone above the manager to run the football strategy is *not* so that McSheffrey or whoever has a "mentor". It's not like an apprentice and advisor situation, it would be somebody to work on the logistical side of the Rovers football operations - overseeing scouting, transfers, the playing brief etc. It's not to offer words of wisdom to a young coach.
It's more like having a departmental head in a business. I highly doubt near 60 year old men who have been coaching on the training field for decades want to do that sort of job.
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Just seen on sky sports news that John McMahon has left his role at Morecambe as assistant manager. He was assistant manager under Paul Simpson at Shrewsbury.
Don’t know if there’s anything in it but the reason we’re waiting until after the Sunderland game is because they are waiting for the new manager to get his coaching staff together.
https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2021/december/club-statement-john-mcmahon/
Maybe he is going to be the new mentor for Gary Mac. Is an experienced coach who may prefer to take a role more as a DoF / technical director or whatever name you want to give the new role the club wish to create.
I can't stress this enough to folk, getting a Director of Football in or someone above the manager to run the football strategy is *not* so that McSheffrey or whoever has a "mentor". It's not like an apprentice and advisor situation, it would be somebody to work on the logistical side of the Rovers football operations - overseeing scouting, transfers, the playing brief etc. It's not to offer words of wisdom to a young coach.
It's more like having a departmental head in a business. I highly doubt near 60 year old men who have been coaching on the training field for decades want to do that sort of job.
I used the word mentor Alias maybe the wrong word but if you bring someone in who has years and years of experience then yes he is going to be there to provide words of wisdom to whoever is the Manager/Coach when he asks for some advice.
Don Revie was very much his own man believe me but he was frequently on the telephone to Matt Busby and Bill Shankly in his early years as manager of Leeds United.
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I think our fans struggle to get their heads round it because of the way our club (and others tbf) have treated it. It was always a token role offered to shuffle people we didn't want out of the coaching staff and eventually the club. See Mickey Walker, Brian Flynn. As RA says, it's a lot more than just a more experienced manager above the manager. Most of the good DoFs I know of have never managed, some haven't even played the game before.
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Just seen on sky sports news that John McMahon has left his role at Morecambe as assistant manager. He was assistant manager under Paul Simpson at Shrewsbury.
Don’t know if there’s anything in it but the reason we’re waiting until after the Sunderland game is because they are waiting for the new manager to get his coaching staff together.
https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2021/december/club-statement-john-mcmahon/
That’s good detective work Bailey and there could well be something in this.
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Just seen on sky sports news that John McMahon has left his role at Morecambe as assistant manager. He was assistant manager under Paul Simpson at Shrewsbury.
Don’t know if there’s anything in it but the reason we’re waiting until after the Sunderland game is because they are waiting for the new manager to get his coaching staff together.
https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2021/december/club-statement-john-mcmahon/
Maybe he is going to be the new mentor for Gary Mac. Is an experienced coach who may prefer to take a role more as a DoF / technical director or whatever name you want to give the new role the club wish to create.
I can't stress this enough to folk, getting a Director of Football in or someone above the manager to run the football strategy is *not* so that McSheffrey or whoever has a "mentor". It's not like an apprentice and advisor situation, it would be somebody to work on the logistical side of the Rovers football operations - overseeing scouting, transfers, the playing brief etc. It's not to offer words of wisdom to a young coach.
It's more like having a departmental head in a business. I highly doubt near 60 year old men who have been coaching on the training field for decades want to do that sort of job.
I used the word mentor Alias maybe the wrong word but if you bring someone in who has years and years of experience then yes he is going to be there to provide words of wisdom to whoever is the Manager/Coach when he asks for some advice.
Don Revie was very much his own man believe me but he was frequently on the telephone to Matt Busby and Bill Shankly in his early years as manager of Leeds United.
There's the crux of it though Camps, there's nothing to say that a DoF would be someone with "years and years of experience". Again, not the same pond we are fishing in but look at some of the people in these roles at the top level, they're not often people who have been around for years and years, and they're almost never the type who has been a coach around the leagues for 2-3 decades, which is what most of the people touted for this on here have been.
I think Macho has made a great point above on this, that it has traditionally been a "shuffle the bloke upstairs" role like we did to Brian Flynn. Tokenistic. And not what this will be if the club do what they say they're doing.
Ultimately we all just want it to make a positive difference and get Rovers up the table ey. Merry Christmas Campsall!
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Wonder if a DOF role would interest Copps
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Wonder if a DOF role would interest Copps
Think if he was then he would have been considered for it I am quite sure.
Just don’t think he is and happy to be doing what he is doing.
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It seems to be a sort of the role he’s doing with the recruitment part etc
Anyway enough of this - have a great day Camps
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It seems to be a sort of the role he’s doing with the recruitment part etc
Anyway enough of this - have a great day Camps
And you dude. Not having our dinner until 4-00pm today. It’s 1st time ever I think we have not eaten
at 1-00pm.
Gosh my Grandkids are ruined they do not know they are born.
My daughter takes after her Mum. Crazy at Xmas but she has now taken this to a new level. :rolleyes:
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https://twitter.com/FrankMSinclair/status/1474670964390735875?t=W_UZgJJ_esPRt38xeQsX-w&s=19
Interesting comment at the end of Frank's tweet. "Unrealistic goals, you may surprise yourself "
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All dressed in the red and white too :scarf:
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Wonder what he’s drinking?
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https://twitter.com/FrankMSinclair/status/1474670964390735875?t=W_UZgJJ_esPRt38xeQsX-w&s=19
Interesting comment at the end of Frank's tweet. "Unrealistic goals, you may surprise yourself "
"go after those unrealistic goals, you may just surprise yourself"
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So, what if Frank was named manager and not the assistant ? Would seem very uncomfortable for Gary Mcsheffrey .
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It won't be long before we know who it is now.
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So will it be announced soon after the match then?
We all applaud Sheffy off the pitch whatever the result, then OGS or King Kev or Zidane or Simpson and McMahon come in at 4pm?
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So will it be announced soon after the match then?
We all applaud Sheffy off the pitch whatever the result, then OGS or King Kev or Zidane or Simpson and McMahon come in at 4pm?
Think it will be Tuesday or Wed or Thurs before we hear. Take your pick on which.
Tues 3/1 Wed 2/1 Thurs 2/1 good odds those. Make your bank transfer to ……………… many thanks. :) :) :)
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Just don't think it's Mcsheffery as no other reason to delay.
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Just don't think it's Mcsheffery as no other reason to delay.
Unless there is a DoF coming in and want to announce it together. All dots not joined up yet possibly on the contracts.
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Tuesday morning I reckon. And sadly I don't think it will be McSheffrey any more.
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For me we are in a relegation battle and need someone who has a bit of experience, I don't think now is the time to experiment
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I thought the delay was due to the legal side of things being signed off, rather than it being about who is actually signing.
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I still think it will be GM but as a suggested above, we are waiting to announce a few roles together.
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I would expect that if its not GM the new man will be at the game today, if he isn’t I would be disappointed that he’s not getting a live view of the players
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I hope the club manage the handover properly. Post-match interviews might be awkward for GM unless he’s been told he’s going back to his coaching role. Then he can just say I’ve enjoyed being caretaker and good luck to whoever gets the job.
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Should know tomorrow according to Free Press