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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: wilts rover on December 18, 2021, 07:46:28 pm
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Hearing Lord Frost has resigned from government and as Brexit negotiator because Johnson instructed him to cave in to the EU demands.
We shall soon see if this is true I suppose.
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It's still baffling what credentials he had for such a job.
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Mail and the express have it.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10324429/Brexit-minister-Lord-Frost-walks-Boris.html
Rats deserting the sinking ship?
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rats deserting a rotten worm eaten hulk?
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So apparently Frost is not resigning because of Johnson's Brexit policy. He's resigning because he disagrees with all Johnson's other policies.
Right.
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Yes, everything else apart from what he has been charged with, the failure of brexit talks.
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/brexit-minister-lord-frost-resigns-201258078.html
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Frostie the go man...
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Lord Frost's resignation exemplifies a pattern among all the loud sovereignty purists: upon realising that there are difficult trade-offs inherent in their own choices, they pack their bags and leave, blaming others for the self-inflicted mess.
https://twitter.com/AntonSpisak/status/1472295808066281477
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yep it's all the fault of those opposed to brexit, who knew?
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''oven ready'' maybe goose is cooked is closer to the mark?
Like many are finding, indeed the reality is that you cannot plait shit.
''Brexit minister’s shock resignation leaves Boris Johnson reeling
Lord Frost’s frustrated exit is yet another blow for PM struggling for control of his government''
I imagine he'll be like David Davies, never to be taken seriously again.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/18/brexit-ministers-shock-resignation-leaves-boris-johnson-reeling
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Hearing Lord Frost has resigned from government and as Brexit negotiator because Johnson instructed him to cave in to the EU demands.
We shall soon see if this is true I suppose.
It's the EU demand that the UK realise that it's going to be treated like every other non-EU country instead of thinking they're entitled to special treatment that's the real problem.
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It was obvious to anyone who looked at it in 2016 that a Leave vote would cause huge problems for Northern Ireland.
Johnson batted that away as Project Fear.
Then in the 2019 election, he baldly lied about the effect on Northern Ireland of deal he had signed.
Frost has spent 12 months blaming the EU for the problems in Northern Ireland.
And now he's washed his hands of the problem and walked away.
And absolute shit shower they are.
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And when johnson is inevitably shown the door, there'll be no remorse no looking back, no apologies, nothing, just as much as he brought to the table.
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Hearing Lord Frost has resigned from government and as Brexit negotiator because Johnson instructed him to cave in to the EU demands.
We shall soon see if this is true I suppose.
It's the EU demand that the UK realise that it's going to be treated like every other non-EU country instead of thinking they're entitled to special treatment that's the real problem.
I expected exactly what we got! Our net EU contribution was larger than 26 EU nations combined, so I expected the special treatment we provided to other members would be extremely missed when we left.
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Hearing Lord Frost has resigned from government and as Brexit negotiator because Johnson instructed him to cave in to the EU demands.
We shall soon see if this is true I suppose.
It's the EU demand that the UK realise that it's going to be treated like every other non-EU country instead of thinking they're entitled to special treatment that's the real problem.
I expected exactly what we got! Our net EU contribution was larger than 26 EU nations combined, so I expected the special treatment we provided to other members would be extremely missed when we left.
And the benefit we got from frictionless trade? As a proportion of our contribution to the EU? Any thoughts?
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Plenty of thoughts BST. Many of them being that we were took as Kitsons.
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It's a shame really, BST, that I probably won't be here when I am proved right. I just hope that by then you will have matured enough to admit it.
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Frost:
''He also expressed his wish that the UK would become a “lightly regulated, low-tax” country''
Sort of like Jersey only marginally bigger, funny he didn't mention the failure to level up.
''Prominent Brexiter Tory Andrew Bridgen called Frost’s exit “a watershed moment”.
He told Times Radio it was a “devastating blow” for the government and Johnson and suggested that many MPs would be considering the PM’s future over Christmas.
Johnson, he tweeted, was “running out of time and out of friends to deliver on the promises and discipline of a true Conservative government”
So we have the Ultra Conservatives bidding farewell to their brexit stalking horse.
A year .......... hmmmm
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Plenty of thoughts BST. Many of them being that we were took as Kitsons.
p
Aye.
One day it might dawn on you who by.
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Frostie the go man...
Yes ... at least Oven Ready deal is now "de Frosted"
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Do you think he’ll be Frostie the Gove man in the Tory leadership campaign?
Or will he stand himself, having done such a wonderful job in his Brexit negotiations?..
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Well I’m happy I had frost to resign before the end of 2021. Couple of £100 in the back pocket. Just need Boris to go in January and Starmer out and Burnham in by end of 2022. Quids in
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Difficult to see how a Tory leadership challenge can get off the ground with the pandemic still affecting so much of the country .
The other thing is the lack of any real contenders , a contender in Tory speak would be someone who can win a GE and nothing more than that .
Almost all the likely candidates have some pretty damaging previous .
They've kicked out all the safe pair of hands moderates .
Having given this some thought after initially thinking the normal Tory strategy is to kick out the failure who takes the failure with them and the new brush sweeps clean I'm not convinced that will work this time .
The Tories are definitely in mid 90's territory and you could argue it's actually worse today .
The Tories always need someone to blame for their own failings and make that stick to whoever it is they want to blame .
I don't see how they can possibly do that today and get away with it .
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Jeremy with the silent C seems to hovering in the background
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I wonder if Frost wants to renegotiate the terms of the resignation letter that he wrote?
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Jeremy with the silent C seems to hovering in the background
I wonder what he thinks of his brother inciting the nut jobs at the covid protests in London to burn down the office’s of MP’s?
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Think Raven is on about Jeremy Hunt there, Filo
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Think Raven is on about Jeremy Hunt there, Filo
Got Ya
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Pass the popcorn!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59721801
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Eddie: “What about people who have changed their minds on Brexit?”
Liz Truss: “I don’t think people have changed their minds”
Eddie: “You have.”
Liz Truss: “I have, that's true…”
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/best-of-lbc/best-decade/eddie-mair-skewers-liz-truss/
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British cheese makers will be delighted.
Or was that any producer of dairy products..
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Pass the popcorn!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59721801
She's not stupid not in the slightest but she's not pr savvy that's for sure.
The sense of it though is that Boris is much more central than a number in his party and he's not anywhere near as right wing as some would say he is.
Should lord frost have ever had the role? Should it be someone unlected? Or is it fair delegation? He certainly shouldn't have been in cabinet given we aren't a federal president style country.
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Pass the popcorn!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59721801
She's not stupid not in the slightest but she's not pr savvy that's for sure.
The sense of it though is that Boris is much more central than a number in his party and he's not anywhere near as right wing as some would say he is.
Should lord frost have ever had the role? Should it be someone unlected? Or is it fair delegation? He certainly shouldn't have been in cabinet given we aren't a federal president style country.
On the BBC comments section this morning, a lot of people were saying that Frost shouldn't have been put into that position as he wasn't elected as an MP. Then up pops a Brexiteer who says "Why does Frost need to be elected anyway?". Some leavers are a special kind of stupid!
You're right BFYP, Frost should never have been part of the Cabinet in the first place. Another Johnson two fingers up to all those who voted against 'supposed' unelected bureaucrats in the EU and some can't see it.
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Anybody suffering from the well publicised and predicted food and toy shortages at Christmas on here?
Anybody disappointed not to be?
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Pass the popcorn!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59721801
She's not stupid not in the slightest but she's not pr savvy that's for sure.
The sense of it though is that Boris is much more central than a number in his party and he's not anywhere near as right wing as some would say he is.
Should lord frost have ever had the role? Should it be someone unlected? Or is it fair delegation? He certainly shouldn't have been in cabinet given we aren't a federal president style country.
You're forgetting that the Brexiteers only wanted to have a Brexiteer doing the negotiating. Truss was a Remainer. Just wait till things don't go well and Brexiteers start blaming her because she's not a real Brexiteer.
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Accoding to the governments' own impact assessment, the trade deal signed last week with Australia will cause a £94 million hit to UK forestry, fishing and farming.
The person who agreed and signed this is now negotiating on our behalf with the EU.
https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1473199335986937856
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If Australian produce is cheaper then no problem with me, everyone on here will do the best value for money shopping. Faux outrage about British farmers is pathetic
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Have a word with farmers about that “faux outrage”
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You’re a hypocrite then Bvb if you do not religiously look for British produce when shopping
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If Australian produce is cheaper then no problem with me, everyone on here will do the best value for money shopping. Faux outrage about British farmers is pathetic
If only you had made it clear that when they said 'British jobs for British workers' they actually meant ' British jobs for Australian workers.'
They got the message in North Shropshire tho.
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Why would I have to Wilts? Such a strange thing to say
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You’re a hypocrite then Bvb if you do not religiously look for British produce when shopping
I don’t religiously look for British produce Ldr, but when I see it I do try to buy it, if that’s matches what I need to buy.
My philosophy is to try as much as possible to support local businesses - not always possible but I try my best - Donny market, locally owned Donny shops and locally owned cafes and pubs/bars.
Refuse to give my money to conglomerates eg Amazon, Macdonalds, KFC etc.
Yourself?
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Best value for money for me mate.
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Even though it’s not British, like that American shit?
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Yeah, surely we are a global village?
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Lol - you’ll be good enough to retract the “hypocrite” accusation then.
Cheers
BVB
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Well you certainly have demonstrated you do search for British produce. I wonder if the outraged Wilts can do the same?
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I’ll take that as a retraction then, even if through gritted teeth.
Thank you!
:scarf:
BVB
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Why would I have to Wilts? Such a strange thing to say
Because that is one of the reasons that people were giving for Brexit Ldr.
We can do our own trade deals with the rest of the world and that will benefit British workers. Seems the reality is different isn't it.
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Its just facts.
People in the UK are noticeably more likely to have experienced key supply problems recently. A majority of Britons (56%) say they have personally experienced food shortages in shops, a figure slightly higher than in the US (49%) but substantially higher than all the continental European nations surveyed (6-18%).
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/articles-reports/2021/12/22/how-many-people-have-been-hit-global-supply-chain-?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=website_article&utm_campaign=eurotrack_supply_chain
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Why would I have to Wilts? Such a strange thing to say
Because that is one of the reasons that people were giving for Brexit Ldr.
We can do our own trade deals with the rest of the world and that will benefit British workers. Seems the reality is different isn't it.
Yes but why would I have to specifically??
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latest poll
''just 14% of all voters said Brexit had gone better than expected''
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To all the 86% and Syd, A merry Christmas keep your pecker up you can't win them all and sometimes life is a B******D you just have to get over it.
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I guess you must lump yourself in with the 14% with extremely low standards selby, which is fine.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rkNBH5fbMk
Very high tastes Syd a message from Charlie Chaplin just for you
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Not sure why you get upset selby, this is what was predicted, what you wanted presumably.
Read what a few business people are saying, bbc.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59761292
the poll
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/25/one-year-on-most-voters-say-brexit-has-gone-badly
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I am anything but upset Syd, life has never been better buddy, apart from my team could be doing a little better.
Probably because I don't watch the news on BBC or read the Guardian, I find people who do have things going badly in their lives and are generally unhappy people who think too deeply about the bad things in their life instead of getting on with things and enjoying life.
I don't know if you think the same buddy.
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Maybe you should have made a note on the voting paper explaining you just wanted to keep the best bits?
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I like to use the vote my forefathers fought for Syd, that would have voided my vote, which I lost by the way voting to stay in.
S**t happens in life mate, so I just got over it immediately and made the best of it having lost a lot of money overnight on my shares and investments, and I have made it all back and more over time.
It's better than moaning and groaning for six long years, as you just turn into 8000 mile snipers with a chip on your shoulder.
Anyway good night I am going to settle down to watch our brilliant openers take those Australian bowlers to pieces. Cough cough.
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these are just facts is all selby, when does the series start?
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Your too late, it is finished.
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If any single thing marks out brexit as a tragedy it's this, it has everything that is wrong with brexit and more, it is a financial hit to small business but it is the loss of connections made at a young age, memories of travel and the delight of the new. These kids will now find connections with other countries. It could be solved, but will it?
''‘Almost unsaleable’: slump in school trips to UK blamed on Brexit
Groups from the continent are going elsewhere, tour operators say, deterred more by passport and visa rules than the pandemic''
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/dec/26/school-trips-to-uk-slump-brexit
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Syd, if you look at what is going on in the EU at the moment not many are able to go anywhere, nor do we want them here.
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Syd, if you look at what is going on in the EU at the moment not many are able to go anywhere, nor do we want them here.
These youngster will generally grow to be good citizens, take their place in the world, work and travel. Some of them may be in government in their own country, all these connections matter. In areas of conflict that has gone on for long periods there are usually great efforts made to connect the youth of opposing sides, Israel and Ireland are just a couple. This is done because they know many of the older people are set in there ways and cannot change. Ring any bells selby?
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Syd, if you look at what is going on in the EU at the moment not many are able to go anywhere, nor do we want them here.
We can tell by the way the government has relaxed freedom of movement for people from the EU on the sly.
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Syd, if you look at what is going on in the EU at the moment not many are able to go anywhere, nor do we want them here.
These youngster will generally grow to be good citizens, take their place in the world, work and travel. Some of them may be in government in their own country, all these connections matter. In areas of conflict that has gone on for long periods there are usually great efforts made to connect the youth of opposing sides, Israel and Ireland are just a couple. This is done because they know many of the older people are set in there ways and cannot change. Ring any bells selby?
It's not actually an impact due to brexit though is it? It's a decision made by the UK government that they are entitled to make after brexit has happened. Whether you agree with it or not it shows brexit enabling the ability to make decisions both good and bad.
On the same point do you think it's right that UK nationals can't transit France to get to say Belgium if they live there right now? But if they were Belgian making the exact same trip it would be fine? Apparently covid can tell the difference.....
Interesting on the last point France have now changed their minds....
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''it shows brexit enabling the ability to make decisions both good and bad''
I think I've heard just about everything now pud.
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BFYP.
There are no French Govt bans on British overseas nationals travelling home through France.
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BFYP.
There are no French Govt bans on British overseas nationals travelling home through France.
There aren't now as I made the point in my post yesterday. But there were, the ferry companies and Eurotunnel wouldn't even allow them on. They have yesterday changed that view.
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''it shows brexit enabling the ability to make decisions both good and bad''
I think I've heard just about everything now pud.
It's a very valid point though. I posted numerous times on here it would not be Eutopia with every decision perfect. The UK government will be rightly held to account for decisions they make. I believe that's better placed than at a European wide level (I'd go further and give local areas more power aswell on some things).
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sounds a bit donald rumsfeld to me pud.
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BFYP.
There are no French Govt bans on British overseas nationals travelling home through France.
There aren't now as I made the point in my post yesterday. But there were, the ferry companies and Eurotunnel wouldn't even allow them on. They have yesterday changed that view.
But how could there be? Individual EU countries are not allowed to make their own laws about who can or cannot travel into their country - it has to be EU wide. That's why we left to 'take control of our border'.
Are you saying that was wrong and people were lied to/lying?
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BFYP.
There are no French Govt bans on British overseas nationals travelling home through France.
There aren't now as I made the point in my post yesterday. But there were, the ferry companies and Eurotunnel wouldn't even allow them on. They have yesterday changed that view.
But how could there be? Individual EU countries are not allowed to make their own laws about who can or cannot travel into their country - it has to be EU wide. That's why we left to 'take control of our border'.
Are you saying that was wrong and people were lied to/lying?
Well it contravened the withdrawal agreement for one so what they did wasn't necessarily allowed. Much less fuss when the French contravene a treaty though isn't there? Would you have the same view if it was the other way around? Indeed the EU has maintained that inter EU travel has to continue so actually France has less control than we do to answer your point.
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Well this EU decision opens up a can of worms.
https://mobile.twitter.com/bopinion/status/1476205741983911948
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Unemployment in the UK 4.6% across the EU 7.2% Oh dear the predictions of mass unemployment were true then, just on the wrong side.
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Unemployment in the UK 4.6% across the EU 7.2% Oh dear the predictions of mass unemployment were true then, just on the wrong side.
Ahem, shhhhhhhhh, right back to that garden party......
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Unemployment in the UK 4.6% across the EU 7.2% Oh dear the predictions of mass unemployment were true then, just on the wrong side.
Sounds great until you do proper research and find that the EU unemployment rate is falling quicker than the UK and that their gross domestic product is increasing quicker than ours also.
This is the problem when people just listen to what they are fed; it’s how Boris and Co got into power in the first place.
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To be fair aidenstu, plenty of posters only tell half of the story when they put information on here.
The half that backs up their own rhetoric.
#bothsides.
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I'd like to know where they get this proper research from and what defines 'proper'. Does some people's version of proper just mean what they find to support their agenda?
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I'd respectfully suggest neither the Express or the Telegraph for a start.
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I'd like to know where they get this proper research from and what defines 'proper'. Does some people's version of proper just mean what they find to support their agenda?
It not the front page of the Daily Mail so I doubt you’ve looked at it.
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So that's a sure sign of your 'proper research' claims being flawed. Where did you do your proper research to discover that I read the Daily Mail?
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Thought I'd be wrong again. Keep grasping at straws Aidi, are they the current reported figures or not? or are the future guesses right in the middle of a continental lock down?
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Aidi, have you any proper research on your thoughts whether the future value of the Euro will cause inflation over there.
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Aidi, have you any proper research on your thoughts whether the future value of the Euro will cause inflation over there.
Uk inflation is 5% eurozone 4.9% uk inflation is said to rise to 6% and eurozone is, according to the FT likely to drop. What’s your point?
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Aidi, have you any proper research on your thoughts whether the future value of the Euro will cause inflation over there.
Uk inflation is 5% eurozone 4.9% uk inflation is said to rise to 6% and eurozone is, according to the FT likely to drop. What’s your point?
Of course the problem with this is the inability of the euro to meet the needs of all countries. That's the euro average, break that down accross countries and it's a different picture Lithuania pushing 10% for example.