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Title: Mentor
Post by: mushRTID on December 29, 2021, 10:54:19 am
If I was to guess it would be a former manager of GM’s.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Pside on December 29, 2021, 11:03:53 am
It will be what the budget dictates
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: EasyforDennis on December 29, 2021, 11:11:25 am
It will be what the budget dictates

I hope we are not going to roll out Mickey Walker again lol
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Campsall rover on December 29, 2021, 11:16:54 am
It will be what the budget dictates
Would not expect you to say anything different.

Of course there will be a budget.  How much do you think we should spend than. Come on let’s have some figures.
What salary do we pay our manager. How much is a mentor or whatever his title will be worth?
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: RoversAlias on December 29, 2021, 11:58:56 am
He doesn't need a mentor, he isn't a child struggling to get good grades.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on December 29, 2021, 12:02:03 pm
I heard the name Lee Carsley banded about but not sure how GM would define this as a mentor or assistant or both.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Campsall rover on December 29, 2021, 12:02:08 pm
He doesn't need a mentor, he isn't a child struggling to get good grades.
No but that’s the word being used. Agree it is not really the right one Alias.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Donnybax on December 29, 2021, 12:09:41 pm
I heard the name Lee Carsley banded about but not sure how GM would define this as a mentor or assistant or both.
I’m sure he would love to give up being England U21s manager to become the “mentor” of a side 23rd in league 1
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: IDM on December 29, 2021, 12:10:26 pm
All managers will have a mentor to some degree, who they can call on for advice, even if not a formal club employee.

DF didn’t have a bad one did he?
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Janso on December 29, 2021, 12:12:22 pm
It will be what the budget dictates

That tends to be how recruitment works, yes.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: mushRTID on December 29, 2021, 12:43:05 pm
He doesn't need a mentor, he isn't a child struggling to get good grades.

The statement says “Gary has identified a senior mentor”

Not sure it’s for anyone on here to say if he needs one or not, especially if he has said it himself.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Jonathan on December 29, 2021, 12:54:41 pm
He doesn't need a mentor, he isn't a child struggling to get good grades.

The statement says “Gary has identified a senior mentor”

Not sure it’s for anyone on here to say if he needs one or not, especially if he has said it himself.

Agreed. And the above shows a quite astonishing lack of understanding and / or disrespect and disregard for what a a mentor can offer.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: PDX_Rover on December 29, 2021, 02:07:50 pm
He doesn't need a mentor, he isn't a child struggling to get good grades.

The statement says “Gary has identified a senior mentor”

Not sure it’s for anyone on here to say if he needs one or not, especially if he has said it himself.

Agreed. And the above shows a quite astonishing lack of understanding and / or disrespect and disregard for what a a mentor can offer.

Exactly. We need an Obi-Wan. We already have Yoda in JC26.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Bentley Bullet on December 29, 2021, 02:25:10 pm
It will be what the budget dictates

I hope we are not going to roll out Mickey Walker again lol

That WOULD be taking the Mickey.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Padge_DRFC on December 29, 2021, 03:32:56 pm
What's the operations manager at the Dome up to?
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on December 29, 2021, 04:11:45 pm
This is a role whatever it's called where we are unlikely to see or hear from. It sounds like it will be very much a background role in supporting GM and the rest of the footballing hierarchy at the club.

Clearly from what GM says, it's his choice and someone who he trusts implicitly to get advice and be pointed in the right direction including helping to open doors that otherwise would remain shut.

This makes me think it's more likely to be a consultancy role and therefore a part time role, as and when called upon.

Whenever GM and the club decide the working relationship, they may choose not to announce it, who knows.

Anyway, for those who think the likes of Mick Mc or Steve Mc for example, won't be coming to Donny might be right, they should also think outside the box.

Not saying it is either of the above as I'm not aware of any connection to GM but whoever it may be, he's someone GM must hold in high regard and can add value to our operation.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: POD on December 29, 2021, 04:17:32 pm
So that’s a Manager, a Mentor, assistant manager, player recruitment officer, first team coach, goalkeeping coach, academy manager/coach, fitness coach, set piece coach…. Have I missed anybody?   We might even get to a starting eleven! 
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: MachoMadness on December 29, 2021, 04:22:55 pm
Not sure about this. This is just an old head above the manager - not the DoF role that was mooted. If GM departs presumably this fella will too and we're back on the merry go round again. So much for learning our lessons.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Filo on December 29, 2021, 04:25:30 pm
I think a lot of the pond life on t**tter need to be mentored on how to behave and be civil, disgusting personal abuse being dished out there
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: DonnyOsmond on December 29, 2021, 04:30:54 pm
Not sure about this. This is just an old head above the manager - not the DoF role that was mooted. If GM departs presumably this fella will too and we're back on the merry go round again. So much for learning our lessons.

100%
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: CantleyRed on December 29, 2021, 05:20:26 pm
So that’s a Manager, a Mentor, assistant manager, player recruitment officer, first team coach, goalkeeping coach, academy manager/coach, fitness coach, set piece coach…. Have I missed anybody?   We might even get to a starting eleven! 
Don't forget the Mental Performance Coach. Definitely a key role that has been vital this year.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on December 29, 2021, 05:26:44 pm
Not sure about this. This is just an old head above the manager - not the DoF role that was mooted. If GM departs presumably this fella will too and we're back on the merry go round again. So much for learning our lessons.

I get that concern. Perhaps it's thought this person can bring some additional qualities to our existing recruitment team in the short term, as well as assisting GM Maybe the feel they don't need to full blown DoF longer term but maybe a consultant Technical director or something.

Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Campsall rover on December 29, 2021, 05:36:24 pm
So that’s a Manager, a Mentor, assistant manager, player recruitment officer, first team coach, goalkeeping coach, academy manager/coach, fitness coach, set piece coach…. Have I missed anybody?   We might even get to a starting eleven! 
Don't forget the Mental Performance Coach. Definitely a key role that has been vital this year.
Is that for the Rovers players or the pond life on Twitter.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: MachoMadness on December 29, 2021, 05:38:28 pm
There has definitely been a few mental performances from us this season.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: 5minstogo on December 29, 2021, 05:40:20 pm
So that’s a Manager, a Mentor, assistant manager, player recruitment officer, first team coach, goalkeeping coach, academy manager/coach, fitness coach, set piece coach…. Have I missed anybody?   We might even get to a starting eleven! 
Don't forget the Mental Performance Coach. Definitely a key role that has been vital this year.
Is that for the Rovers players or the pond life on Twitter.

Maybe don't use Twitter if you are so offended.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: MachoMadness on December 29, 2021, 05:47:29 pm
Just seen SM on the other thread has confirmed this will be the DoF role but will have a different name. Not sure why that is but it's more reassuring than some vague "mentor" role, fair play.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: i_ateallthepies on December 29, 2021, 06:05:10 pm
I know some will say 'what's in a name' but it troubles me that we would call it a Mentor.  Mentors are to support people learning a role, if GM really is the best option - and I don't have a problem with the decision that he is that - then if he's good enough to handle the situation the club is in he shouldn't be needing a mentor.

As for the DOF role, there's been plenty of debate on here in the last couple of weeks since it was mentioned by the club and given the continuity and identity concerns  it makes perfect sense that we have some true football expertise at the heart of club management decision-making.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: BVB on December 29, 2021, 06:05:59 pm
So that’s a Manager, a Mentor, assistant manager, player recruitment officer, first team coach, goalkeeping coach, academy manager/coach, fitness coach, set piece coach…. Have I missed anybody?   We might even get to a starting eleven! 
Don't forget the Mental Performance Coach. Definitely a key role that has been vital this year.
Is that for the Rovers players or the pond life on Twitter.

Maybe don't use Twitter if you are so offended.
Works both ways 5mins: maybe the pond life shouldn’t be allowed on Twitter as they are so offensive.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Pside on December 29, 2021, 06:10:59 pm
From DROS.

Gary and the board have already met to look at recruitment of players with another meeting planned for Friday to hopefully sign off on intended targets.

“His next meeting is then with myself and Kirsty Cavanagh as we look to secure his support staff.

Anyone slightly concerned by the last bit?
Are we in for another 4 week dick dance?
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: IDM on December 29, 2021, 06:14:18 pm
I take it you didn’t listen to his RS interview?  Sounds like some of the appointments are due in a matter of days..

Dick dance.?  Grow up
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: silent majority on December 29, 2021, 06:20:10 pm
From DROS.

Gary and the board have already met to look at recruitment of players with another meeting planned for Friday to hopefully sign off on intended targets.

“His next meeting is then with myself and Kirsty Cavanagh as we look to secure his support staff.

Anyone slightly concerned by the last bit?
Are we in for another 4 week dick dance?


No, we're not.

Players have been identified and 4 were spoken to today. Hopefully they will sign and be ready to go on January 4th which is the first available date.

Support staff have been identified and contracts offered, with a view to unveiling them very shortly.

The mentor role has also been identified but may take a little longer to put in place due to certain circumstances. That's not a negative at all, but certain t's and c's have to be dealt with.

Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: steve@dcfd on December 29, 2021, 06:25:26 pm
From DROS.

Gary and the board have already met to look at recruitment of players with another meeting planned for Friday to hopefully sign off on intended targets.

“His next meeting is then with myself and Kirsty Cavanagh as we look to secure his support staff.

Anyone slightly concerned by the last bit?
Are we in for another 4 week dick dance?


No, we're not.

Players have been identified and 4 were spoken to today. Hopefully they will sign and be ready to go on January 4th which is the first available date.

Support staff have been identified and contracts offered, with a view to unveiling them very shortly.

The mentor role has also been identified but may take a little longer to put in place due to certain circumstances. That's not a negative at all, but certain t's and c's have to be dealt with.


Well Martin I hope all that goes to plan.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: silent majority on December 29, 2021, 06:29:20 pm
From DROS.

Gary and the board have already met to look at recruitment of players with another meeting planned for Friday to hopefully sign off on intended targets.

“His next meeting is then with myself and Kirsty Cavanagh as we look to secure his support staff.

Anyone slightly concerned by the last bit?
Are we in for another 4 week dick dance?


No, we're not.

Players have been identified and 4 were spoken to today. Hopefully they will sign and be ready to go on January 4th which is the first available date.

Support staff have been identified and contracts offered, with a view to unveiling them very shortly.

The mentor role has also been identified but may take a little longer to put in place due to certain circumstances. That's not a negative at all, but certain t's and c's have to be dealt with.


Well Martin I hope all that goes to plan.

Give it 24/48 hours. We should see some movement in that time frame, maybe not all of it, but certainly some of the plan will be announced.

Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: IDM on December 29, 2021, 06:35:02 pm
From DROS.

Gary and the board have already met to look at recruitment of players with another meeting planned for Friday to hopefully sign off on intended targets.

“His next meeting is then with myself and Kirsty Cavanagh as we look to secure his support staff.

Anyone slightly concerned by the last bit?
Are we in for another 4 week dick dance?


No, we're not.

Players have been identified and 4 were spoken to today. Hopefully they will sign and be ready to go on January 4th which is the first available date.

Support staff have been identified and contracts offered, with a view to unveiling them very shortly.

The mentor role has also been identified but may take a little longer to put in place due to certain circumstances. That's not a negative at all, but certain t's and c's have to be dealt with.



Thanks for the update..
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Campsall rover on December 29, 2021, 06:46:10 pm
From DROS.

Gary and the board have already met to look at recruitment of players with another meeting planned for Friday to hopefully sign off on intended targets.

“His next meeting is then with myself and Kirsty Cavanagh as we look to secure his support staff.

Anyone slightly concerned by the last bit?
Are we in for another 4 week dick dance?
Your really sad. Anything constructive to say. Thought not.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Pside on December 29, 2021, 08:14:13 pm
From DROS.

Gary and the board have already met to look at recruitment of players with another meeting planned for Friday to hopefully sign off on intended targets.

“His next meeting is then with myself and Kirsty Cavanagh as we look to secure his support staff.

Anyone slightly concerned by the last bit?
Are we in for another 4 week dick dance?


No, we're not.

Players have been identified and 4 were spoken to today. Hopefully they will sign and be ready to go on January 4th which is the first available date.

Support staff have been identified and contracts offered, with a view to unveiling them very shortly.

The mentor role has also been identified but may take a little longer to put in place due to certain circumstances. That's not a negative at all, but certain t's and c's have to be dealt with.

Cheers for the reply SM
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Pside on December 29, 2021, 08:16:13 pm
From DROS.

Gary and the board have already met to look at recruitment of players with another meeting planned for Friday to hopefully sign off on intended targets.

“His next meeting is then with myself and Kirsty Cavanagh as we look to secure his support staff.

Anyone slightly concerned by the last bit?
Are we in for another 4 week dick dance?
Your really sad. Anything constructive to say. Thought not.

What? It was a genuine question. Sorry if I could of worded it better, My English doesn’t seem to be up to your scratch 
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Campsall rover on December 29, 2021, 08:21:34 pm
So that’s a Manager, a Mentor, assistant manager, player recruitment officer, first team coach, goalkeeping coach, academy manager/coach, fitness coach, set piece coach…. Have I missed anybody?   We might even get to a starting eleven! 
Don't forget the Mental Performance Coach. Definitely a key role that has been vital this year.
Is that for the Rovers players or the pond life on Twitter.

Maybe don't use Twitter if you are so offended.
I don’t. I do not go near it.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Campsall rover on December 29, 2021, 08:26:18 pm
From DROS.

Gary and the board have already met to look at recruitment of players with another meeting planned for Friday to hopefully sign off on intended targets.

“His next meeting is then with myself and Kirsty Cavanagh as we look to secure his support staff.

Anyone slightly concerned by the last bit?
Are we in for another 4 week dick dance?
Your really sad. Anything constructive to say. Thought not.

What? It was a genuine question. Sorry if I could of worded it better, My English doesn’t seem to be up to your scratch
Are we in for another 4 week dick dance.  That was a genuine question was it?
So that’s what we have just had is it in your opinion.

Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: 5minstogo on December 29, 2021, 09:18:47 pm
So that’s a Manager, a Mentor, assistant manager, player recruitment officer, first team coach, goalkeeping coach, academy manager/coach, fitness coach, set piece coach…. Have I missed anybody?   We might even get to a starting eleven! 
Don't forget the Mental Performance Coach. Definitely a key role that has been vital this year.
Is that for the Rovers players or the pond life on Twitter.

Maybe don't use Twitter if you are so offended.
I don’t. I do not go near it.

Seems odd to refer to people who do use it as "Pond life" in that case.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: steve@dcfd on December 30, 2021, 02:43:16 pm
The mentor as been chosen and club in negotiations with that person. Not sure he will be a permanent staff member someone who GMC can call on, certainly not a DOF as that post is being discussed at top level no decision yet.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Donnybax on December 30, 2021, 03:07:14 pm
I do find this a little odd. I thought this role was to try and provide a bit of continuity so we don’t have this massive mess every time we lose a manager? It seems that this isn’t the case
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on December 30, 2021, 03:11:45 pm
The mentor as been chosen and club in negotiations with that person. Not sure he will be a permanent staff member someone who GMC can call on, certainly not a DOF as that post is being discussed at top level no decision yet.

It's all part of the negotiation process, sometimes involving other parties.

As S_M says, it sounds like they know exactly who they want.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Batleyred on December 30, 2021, 03:17:31 pm
I’ve just listened to Gavins interview, spoke lots of sense when questioned on being a cheap option and in regards to the mentor. It’s a good listen.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: danumdon on December 30, 2021, 03:17:48 pm
I do find this a little odd. I thought this role was to try and provide a bit of continuity so we don’t have this massive mess every time we lose a manager? It seems that this isn’t the case

We don't even know yet if this is the case or if its a separate position to the DOF type who would provide continuity as he would also have input from the boards side.

Best people wait to see what the full outcome is.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on December 30, 2021, 03:25:49 pm
I do find this a little odd. I thought this role was to try and provide a bit of continuity so we don’t have this massive mess every time we lose a manager? It seems that this isn’t the case

They didn't say that specifically, I think it was only us that took that speculation and developed it, me included.

My observation on the appointment was that GM was appointed as 'Manager' rather than Head Coach, which seems to point to not going down the Head Coach/DoF route.

You may also recall GB talking about providing the new man with the best support possible so that looks like it will come through the existing set up with Younger, Copps etc then the appointment of his assistant and coaches plus this other new position.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: mushRTID on December 30, 2021, 05:28:44 pm
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/gary-mcsheffrey-discusses-the-mentor-figure-who-will-advise-him-in-his-role-as-doncaster-rovers-manager-3510943

Sounds like a well known coach in world football who he’s played with.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Chris Black come back on December 30, 2021, 05:39:51 pm
Lee Carsley.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: ChrisBx on December 30, 2021, 05:57:44 pm
Lee Carsley.

He has only recently taken the England U21 job.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: mushRTID on December 30, 2021, 05:59:12 pm
The twitter reaction to that article is mad.

If this is what GM wants then what does it matter?

Sure iv seen it mentioned the DOF role is still being discussed at board level too.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Donnybax on December 30, 2021, 05:59:52 pm
So it’s not even going to be a club employee?
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: drfchound on December 30, 2021, 06:00:10 pm
Lee Carsley.

He has only recently taken the England U21 job.

But whoever it is won’t be giving up his other job, if he has one of course.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Northants Nomad on December 30, 2021, 06:01:06 pm
Lee Carsley.

He has only recently taken the England U21 job.
He's a well known coach who is now in world football, then. So that fits the bill.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: ChrisBx on December 30, 2021, 06:04:41 pm
You may be right but I'd be very surprised if it was Carsley. I've had a look through some of the squads McSheffrey was part of and there's a fairly long list of people who fit the description in the DFP article.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: MachoMadness on December 30, 2021, 07:03:01 pm
So hang on. Now this mentor role isn't even a role at all? It's essentially just GM's mate who he calls for advice? Surely every manager at every level of the game does this, so why is it newsworthy? I'm very confused.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: streathamdave on December 30, 2021, 07:52:08 pm
This shouldn't have even been mentioned if it isn't someone employed by the club. Not sure that an external advisor looks good on Gary or the club. Should have been kept a private matter.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: colincramb on December 30, 2021, 07:56:40 pm
So hang on. Now this mentor role isn't even a role at all? It's essentially just GM's mate who he calls for advice? Surely every manager at every level of the game does this, so why is it newsworthy? I'm very confused.

Nope I’ve already asked this question and the response from SM was that it was more than just ‘advice and guidance’ over the phone
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: steve@dcfd on December 30, 2021, 08:02:12 pm
This position was mentioned in a Rovers article when announcing the appointment.

It was reported to have come from D Blunt

Quote
Chairman David Blunt said: “The reaction we have seen from the team since Gary’s appointment, along with the excellent way he conducted himself during his interview for the job meant that we felt he was the best man to take the team forward. He understands the club, the existing squad personnel and showed a greater understanding of the needs of the team compared to many of his counterparts with experience at higher levels.

“He is a well-spoken character who has clearly had an impact in the short-term, and we will give him all the support he needs both in terms of player recruitment and support staff off the field to help the team get out of the position we currently find ourselves in on the pitch. As part of his support team, Gary has identified a senior mentor he would want to bring in to support him and recruitment for this position will start immediately. We also expect to finalise appointments for assistant manager, goalkeeping coach and set piece coach within the next few days.

“Our aim was always to have this appointment finalised before the start of the January transfer window, and with that now done our focus turns to strengthening the squad and looking forward to a strong second half of the campaign.”


So as you see it talks about recruitment not just advise either on the phone or face to face as GMC said in the DFP article
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on December 30, 2021, 09:46:00 pm
This shouldn't have even been mentioned if it isn't someone employed by the club. Not sure that an external advisor looks good on Gary or the club. Should have been kept a private matter.

That's not yours or our decision to make. I speculated whether it may be a background role that we may never see or hear however, there must be a good reason for it. The people at the club are more qualified to make these decisions and will do it the right way.

As said above, there's perhaps more to it than meets the eye.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on December 30, 2021, 10:02:20 pm
The mentor just sounds like what you’d expect in management maybe a little more formal with whoever it is visiting the club when GMc wants but essentially it’s someone on the phone to ask advice of.

Not really a role that needs to be all over the press. Every manager you’d expect would have people they speak to and consult for advice. Its a close relatively small industry everyone will know everyone.

As others have mentioned I hope there is still a plan for a DOF type role and that this mentor doesn’t mean we don’t go down that route. The rational for a DOF hasn’t changed at all. I’m hoping that role is just seen as less immediately urgent and is still on the to do list
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Dagenham Rover on December 30, 2021, 10:18:42 pm
The government pay millions for advisors :)
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: drfchound on December 30, 2021, 10:19:45 pm
Yep, agreed, but around half of the public think they are running the show.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: jamesrover17 on December 30, 2021, 11:49:34 pm
I think, and Hoden alluded to this a little bit on his stream earlier, that Baldwin and Blunt should probably reign in what they say in the run up to these decisions, mentioning the amount of applicants and the calibre was only going to turn sour when fans didn’t get the ‘household name’ that was mentioned.

The same now that it turns out the DoF isn’t probably going to be what we thought it was.

I think the same was advised of Moore when he said we were replacing Marquis with a similar calibre of player that never came to fruition, sometimes saying less is more
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: DonnyOsmond on December 31, 2021, 09:13:03 am
It is the kind of thing that pisses fans off with the club. The board are great at increasing funds to DRFC/CD which we 100% need but they struggle a bit more when it comes to the football operations side of things. So when a role like DoF was spoke about it got quite a few people excited as it would hopefully mean a clear vision, continuity when managers leave and a more forward thinking approach, that's as long as it wasn't just going to be a job given to an older mentor for advice like we did with Walker or Flynn. However, now this position has turned into just a mate of McSheffreys that he can ring up and ask advice off, which every manager in the world will have anyway, it's a bullshit non role. This is the kind of thing that just leaves you exhausted and expecting no light at the end of the tunnel.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: silent majority on December 31, 2021, 09:24:55 am
It is the kind of thing that pisses fans off with the club. The board are great at increasing funds to DRFC/CD which we 100% need but they struggle a bit more when it comes to the football operations side of things. So when a role like DoF was spoke about it got quite a few people excited as it would hopefully mean a clear vision, continuity when managers leave and a more forward thinking approach, that's as long as it wasn't just going to be a job given to an older mentor for advice like we did with Walker or Flynn. However, now this position has turned into just a mate of McSheffreys that he can ring up and ask advice off, which every manager in the world will have anyway, it's a bullshit non role. This is the kind of thing that just leaves you exhausted and expecting no light at the end of the tunnel.

How do you know that this is just how you describe it?

I can assure its more than just a 'bullshit non role'.

Why don't you wait and see before casting judgement?
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: DonnyOsmond on December 31, 2021, 09:43:31 am
It is the kind of thing that pisses fans off with the club. The board are great at increasing funds to DRFC/CD which we 100% need but they struggle a bit more when it comes to the football operations side of things. So when a role like DoF was spoke about it got quite a few people excited as it would hopefully mean a clear vision, continuity when managers leave and a more forward thinking approach, that's as long as it wasn't just going to be a job given to an older mentor for advice like we did with Walker or Flynn. However, now this position has turned into just a mate of McSheffreys that he can ring up and ask advice off, which every manager in the world will have anyway, it's a bullshit non role. This is the kind of thing that just leaves you exhausted and expecting no light at the end of the tunnel.

How do you know that this is just how you describe it?

I can assure its more than just a 'bullshit non role'.

Why don't you wait and see before casting judgement?

I'm going based on what's said by Liam Hoden, it's a role of a well respected and experienced coaching figure who will provide advice to the manager and occasionally the board but will not be contracted to the club.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: silent majority on December 31, 2021, 10:15:49 am
It is the kind of thing that pisses fans off with the club. The board are great at increasing funds to DRFC/CD which we 100% need but they struggle a bit more when it comes to the football operations side of things. So when a role like DoF was spoke about it got quite a few people excited as it would hopefully mean a clear vision, continuity when managers leave and a more forward thinking approach, that's as long as it wasn't just going to be a job given to an older mentor for advice like we did with Walker or Flynn. However, now this position has turned into just a mate of McSheffreys that he can ring up and ask advice off, which every manager in the world will have anyway, it's a bullshit non role. This is the kind of thing that just leaves you exhausted and expecting no light at the end of the tunnel.

How do you know that this is just how you describe it?

I can assure its more than just a 'bullshit non role'.

Why don't you wait and see before casting judgement?

I'm going based on what's said by Liam Hoden, it's a role of a well respected and experienced coaching figure who will provide advice to the manager and occasionally the board but will not be contracted to the club.

The club, at the time that RW was leaving, suggested that they would be looking at putting a different support structure in place depending on the type of applicant and what that applicant felt they might need. The DoF was mentioned as one of the options, but nobody said that the ultimate objective was to have somebody contracted to the club carrying out that position.

You, and others on here, filled in all the blanks and as you say 'got excited'.

Now you've got more detail from Liam you've decided that a well respected and experienced coaching figure who's providing advice to the manager and the board you've decided its a 'bullshit non role' and are criticising the club for it.

Can you not see who is the one at fault here?
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: DonnyOsmond on December 31, 2021, 10:51:52 am
Yes, I do apologise for getting excited when the club said they were considering bringing in a role like a DoF that they might actually bring in something like a DoF... A role we desperately need.

Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: silent majority on December 31, 2021, 10:54:59 am
Yes, I do apologise for getting excited when the club said they were considering bringing in a role like a DoF that they might actually bring in something like a DoF... A role we desperately need.



I can assure you it will be more formal than the way you describe it.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: DonnyOsmond on December 31, 2021, 11:02:48 am
Yes, I do apologise for getting excited when the club said they were considering bringing in a role like a DoF that they might actually bring in something like a DoF... A role we desperately need.



I can assure you it will be more formal than the way you describe it.


But that's the thing. I'm just a normal pleb, I just get info from DFP website or bits you mention on here (which I do appreciate), so I can only go based on that, you may know more yourself but I only can go from what I've read below.

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/gary-mcsheffrey-discusses-the-mentor-figure-who-will-advise-him-in-his-role-as-doncaster-rovers-manager-3510943


I guess us plebs will hear more in a few days when this role is officially announced.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: steve@dcfd on December 31, 2021, 11:15:48 am
The mentor mentioned in the article is a friend of GMC he will not be on the payroll. As a start this will be ok but if the club wanted a contracted DOF or equivalent they need to continue to work to that aim which will give the club continuity with a football executive.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: silent majority on December 31, 2021, 11:19:20 am
Yes, I do apologise for getting excited when the club said they were considering bringing in a role like a DoF that they might actually bring in something like a DoF... A role we desperately need.



I can assure you it will be more formal than the way you describe it.


But that's the thing. I'm just a normal pleb, I just get info from DFP website or bits you mention on here (which I do appreciate), so I can only go based on that, you may know more yourself but I only can go from what I've read below.

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/gary-mcsheffrey-discusses-the-mentor-figure-who-will-advise-him-in-his-role-as-doncaster-rovers-manager-3510943


I guess us plebs will hear more in a few days when this role is officially announced.

I wouldn't call you a pleb.

Yes, I have discussed this with GB a few times in the last few weeks, and I'm just trying to reassure you there is more to this than has been released so far. But its not my position to issue press releases or newspaper articles.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: sha66y on December 31, 2021, 11:34:38 am
Yes, I do apologise for getting excited when the club said they were considering bringing in a role like a DoF that they might actually bring in something like a DoF... A role we desperately need.



Ya just a gullible t**t that reads everything and absorbs nowt!
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: ChrisBx on December 31, 2021, 02:04:23 pm
Turns out it is Lee Carsley. Very impressed with that. I look forward to hearing more about the role.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Chris Black come back on December 31, 2021, 02:07:04 pm
Lee Carsley.

Yep.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Copps is Magic on December 31, 2021, 02:08:40 pm
I will be interested to see the terms, but you don't get any better pedigree than the current England u21 manager surely. Hopefully he can help us out with some tips regarding young players (if you don't ask you don;t get).
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on December 31, 2021, 02:28:17 pm
Crux of the issue is this. Is this mentor or whatever working for the club or for GMc? If it's for GMc it isn't going to help with the issues the club itself has identified.

We need someone whose loyalty lies with DRFC beyond the manager currently involved who can help football decisions that shouldn't be left to a coach who really should be focusing 100% of their abilities on 3pts in the next game.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on December 31, 2021, 03:45:52 pm
Crux of the issue is this. Is this mentor or whatever working for the club or for GMc? If it's for GMc it isn't going to help with the issues the club itself has identified.

We need someone whose loyalty lies with DRFC beyond the manager currently involved who can help football decisions that shouldn't be left to a coach who really should be focusing 100% of their abilities on 3pts in the next game.

Nome of us are in a position to determine what the scope of Casleys involvement is.
I wouldn't be so blinkered in the thinking in what he can bring to the party that will help McSheffrey on a personal level and the club on a broader level. 

If further down the line after this big change of personnel, and things have settled, they decide to go down the route of DoF, then I'm sure they will.

The current incumbents need time to be able to make things work.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: colincramb on December 31, 2021, 04:36:58 pm
So just for clarity, we’ve ended up with an inexperienced manager, an inexperienced number 2 and an inexperienced GK coach and a mentor that doesn’t work for us? It’s all hardly inspiring stuff.

But will reserve full judgement for now
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: EasyforDennis on December 31, 2021, 04:38:25 pm
My money is on JC (no not the one whose birthday is the 25th ;))
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: Rovers91 on December 31, 2021, 09:19:56 pm
Basically McSheffrey has got a mate he can call if he needs a bit of advice, I'm sure most managers have.
Title: Re: Mentor
Post by: steve@dcfd on December 31, 2021, 10:24:40 pm
Basically McSheffrey has got a mate he can call if he needs a bit of advice, I'm sure most managers have.
Correct but why did the club (Chairman) publicise it and make it sound a role we were recruiting for. We might eventually.