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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Djoftherovers2 on December 31, 2021, 09:43:25 pm
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So we get fed the news we have substantial funds available, thank god for that. We need it more than ever to get some fit, Experienced players in to hopefully pull us out of trouble.
Then we hear Downing an average league 1 cb would blow almost all our budget?? Surely this cnt be right marquis out of contract in summer but he's even a no on loan. I'd love to know what the definition of substantial is because if we are after players with long injury history like Milan than we are truly screwed
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How do you know Downing is on average L1 wages?
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So we get fed the news we have substantial funds available, thank god for that. We need it more than ever to get some fit, Experienced players in to hopefully pull us out of trouble.
Then we hear Downing an average league 1 cb would blow almost all our budget?? Surely this cnt be right marquis out of contract in summer but he's even a no on loan. I'd love to know what the definition of substantial is because if we are after players with long injury history like Milan than we are truly screwed
Why not just wait and see rather than moaning before anything has happened?
Downing will be on big money at Pompey, we got priced out of a move for him when he signed. So it’s easy to see why his wages would blow our budget
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2.8k a week according to some sites on t'interweb.
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2.8k a week according to some sites on t'interweb.
Ah well that's that then.
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2.8k a week according to some sites on t'interweb.
Some sites on website have Barlow on 6k a week, official wages won’t be anywhere on the internet
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So we get fed the news we have substantial funds available, thank god for that. We need it more than ever to get some fit, Experienced players in to hopefully pull us out of trouble.
Then we hear Downing an average league 1 cb would blow almost all our budget?? Surely this cnt be right marquis out of contract in summer but he's even a no on loan. I'd love to know what the definition of substantial is because if we are after players with long injury history like Milan than we are truly screwed
So what would you consider substantial funds?
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Why is anyone taking even remotely seriously websites that list alleged salaries? Total fantasy. Just think about it for one minute. Why would they have access to every contract of a professional footballer? It is total guesswork to drive traffic from unwitting dupes to their site. Wake up sheeple!
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2.8k a week according to some sites on t'interweb.
load of shit bet he is on 3 times that
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Reckon we must have about 15k a week to spend on players at most which is a lot for us
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Reckon we must have about 15k a week to spend on players at most which is a lot for us
You are probably right. 4 x players on 4k a week has been touted around. Imagine marquis and downing will be on the 15-16k combined.
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In all seriousness, I’m not sure it would be a good idea for GMc (or indeed any manager of any club) to answer questions on potential targets by saying “yeah we can afford them with our substantial funds, no problem.”
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In all seriousness, I’m not sure it would be a good idea for GMc (or indeed any manager of any club) to answer questions on potential targets by saying “yeah we can afford them with our substantial funds, no problem.”
Yep, Newcastle are going to have their pants down this January.
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Reckon we must have about 15k a week to spend on players at most which is a lot for us
You are probably right. 4 x players on 4k a week has been touted around. Imagine marquis and downing will be on the 15-16k combined.
Do you know what the average weekly wage for a L1 player is? You could get 10 for 15k a week.
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Reckon we must have about 15k a week to spend on players at most which is a lot for us
You are probably right. 4 x players on 4k a week has been touted around. Imagine marquis and downing will be on the 15-16k combined.
Maquis and Downing will be on no more than 11.000 / 12000 combined imo. Max.
Probably around 10.000 combined.
The ave League 1 wage is as GazLaz said around 1.500 a week.
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Just think what the word average means
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Just think what the word average means
There will be players on 500 and 750 a week. Younger ones at all clubs who are on pro contracts and players at Morecambe, Accrington just to pick out the two smallest clubs will not be on more than 1000 a week.
Very few of them I would suspect.
Possibly the ave may be a little higher this season with Sheff Wed now in the league with Sunderland, Ipswich, Wigan and Bolton.
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The average weekly league 1 salary is estimated at 4.7k on a site that conducted a survey in which clubs took part.
The L2 average for higher earners is listed as 2k weekly.
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The average weekly league 1 salary is estimated at 4.7k on a site that conducted a survey in which clubs took part.
The L2 average for higher earners is listed as 2k weekly.
Is that a day/week/month/year....?
If it's a week, then we are being mugged by a few players....
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The average weekly league 1 salary is estimated at 4.7k on a site that conducted a survey in which clubs took part.
The L2 average for higher earners is listed as 2k weekly.
For higher earners! So not ave.
League 1 ave is nothing like that. If it was then clubs like Rotherham, Oxford, MK Dons, Lincoln, Rovers, Gillingham, Wycombe, Crewe, Shrewsbury, Fleetwood, Cambridge, Cheltenham, Burton would be bankrupt.
Have you done the maths? Work it out and tell me how any of those clubs could afford ave wages of 3.000 per week without massive funding from their owners season after season.
Take the 6 largest clubs in our league and yes those figures are possibly not far off.
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Does anyone have layout of what the league would look like IF it was simply down to its playing budget . Imo good players play for the club either way !!
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The average weekly league 1 salary is estimated at 4.7k on a site that conducted a survey in which clubs took part.
The L2 average for higher earners is listed as 2k weekly.
Is that a day/week/month/year....?
If it's a week, then we are being mugged by a few players....
Per week according to the site.
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It's just unbelievable and embarrassing that all of a sudden certain fans think they should be dictating the clubs transfer policy, identifying targets and demanding the club bid for players on or above the market value.
There's a reason many transfers are concluded towards the end of the transfer window when clubs and agents don't achieve the value they want for players. That's when the negotiation starts and the merry go round begins.
This is business I think fans should keep their noses well and truly out of. I'm also disappointed the club have even entertained questions about certain players and perhaps poorly managing expectations.
We need to get back to keeping all this stuff behind close doors and see what happens. Managing it like this generally ends in disappointment.
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The average weekly league 1 salary is estimated at 4.7k on a site that conducted a survey in which clubs took part.
The L2 average for higher earners is listed as 2k weekly.
For higher earners! So not ave.
League 1 ave is nothing like that. If it was then clubs like Rotherham, Oxford, MK Dons, Lincoln, Rovers, Gillingham, Wycombe, Crewe, Shrewsbury, Fleetwood, Cambridge, Cheltenham, Burton would be bankrupt.
Have you done the maths? Work it out and tell me how any of those clubs could afford ave wages of 3.000 per week without massive funding from their owners season after season.
Take the 6 largest clubs in our league and yes those figures are possibly not far off.
I put a question to you.
What is a calculated risk in terms of what you would pay as a weekly wage, on a temporary basis till the end of the season? With a view to staying up.
Also, if L1 average is nothing like that, where do you put it at?
With regards to your question, the overall average will be lower for some. For a stand out player would you pay a lot more in the interim with no commitment to buy.
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The average weekly league 1 salary is estimated at 4.7k on a site that conducted a survey in which clubs took part.
The L2 average for higher earners is listed as 2k weekly.
Is that a day/week/month/year....?
If it's a week, then we are being mugged by a few players....
Per week according to the site.
That site is pure guesswork by someone who knows nothing about League One.
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The average weekly league 1 salary is estimated at 4.7k on a site that conducted a survey in which clubs took part.
The L2 average for higher earners is listed as 2k weekly.
For higher earners! So not ave.
League 1 ave is nothing like that. If it was then clubs like Rotherham, Oxford, MK Dons, Lincoln, Rovers, Gillingham, Wycombe, Crewe, Shrewsbury, Fleetwood, Cambridge, Cheltenham, Burton would be bankrupt.
Have you done the maths? Work it out and tell me how any of those clubs could afford ave wages of 3.000 per week without massive funding from their owners season after season.
Take the 6 largest clubs in our league and yes those figures are possibly not far off.
I put a question to you.
What is a calculated risk in terms of what you would pay as a weekly wage, on a temporary basis till the end of the season? With a view to staying up.
Also, if L1 average is nothing like that, where do you put it at?
With regards to your question, the overall average will be lower for some. For a stand out player would you pay a lot more in the interim with no commitment to buy.
It’s all hypothetical though. It is not your money you are spending. It is some one else’s money.
If you had I million in the bank how much would you be prepared to lose. If it was 5 million. What about 20 million.
It is not our decision. If you had that money sitting in your account you would then have to make that decision.
That is your family wealth you are playing with. Your childrens inheritence, your grand childrens inheritence.
There is not some money tree growing in the grounds of the EP stadium, this money has to come out of peoples pockets.
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Substantial funds in football for the most part is money you don't really have, an example is Chelsea.
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The average weekly league 1 salary is estimated at 4.7k on a site that conducted a survey in which clubs took part.
The L2 average for higher earners is listed as 2k weekly.
For higher earners! So not ave.
League 1 ave is nothing like that. If it was then clubs like Rotherham, Oxford, MK Dons, Lincoln, Rovers, Gillingham, Wycombe, Crewe, Shrewsbury, Fleetwood, Cambridge, Cheltenham, Burton would be bankrupt.
Have you done the maths? Work it out and tell me how any of those clubs could afford ave wages of 3.000 per week without massive funding from their owners season after season.
Take the 6 largest clubs in our league and yes those figures are possibly not far off.
I put a question to you.
What is a calculated risk in terms of what you would pay as a weekly wage, on a temporary basis till the end of the season? With a view to staying up.
Also, if L1 average is nothing like that, where do you put it at?
With regards to your question, the overall average will be lower for some. For a stand out player would you pay a lot more in the interim with no commitment to buy.
It’s all hypothetical though. It is not our money your spending. It is some one else’s money.
If you had I million in the bank how much would you be prepared to lose. If it was 5 million. What about 20 million.
It is not our decision. If you had that money sitting in your account you would then have to make that decision.
That is your family wealth you are playing with. Your childrens inheritence, your grand childrens inheritence.
There is not some money tree growing in the grounds of the EP stadium, this money has to come out of peoples pockets.
Absolutely its all hypothetical.
I'm not spending anyone's money. Near on 99%, if not more of the people on here have 0% influence on any decisions taken by the club. The day the powers that be start looking at this forum for guidance we are in bother.
It is exactly what it is. When information is in the public domain, like salary, its always going to provoke comment.
A lot would like to see the likes of Marquis back. Proven goal scorer. What's not to like.
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It's just unbelievable and embarrassing that all of a sudden certain fans think they should be dictating the clubs transfer policy, identifying targets and demanding the club bid for players on or above the market value.
There's a reason many transfers are concluded towards the end of the transfer window when clubs and agents don't achieve the value they want for players. That's when the negotiation starts and the merry go round begins.
This is business I think fans should keep their noses well and truly out of. I'm also disappointed the club have even entertained questions about certain players and perhaps poorly managing expectations.
We need to get back to keeping all this stuff behind close doors and see what happens. Managing it like this generally ends in disappointment.
I know what you’re saying, but I don’t agree with all of it. Football is big business and fans are huge stakeholders in clubs. Clubs generate news and there’s huge demand for (and consumption of) that. You can’t just shut the fans out and I don’t think there’s anything fundamentally wrong with the statements made by the club. As always, the proof will be what we see coming in over the window, and I do think it’s vital we start early and positively.
Where I certainly agree with you is the observation of an unhealthy obsession with numbers and figures. It adds nothing at all.
Where we have a particular problem with public statements, is the unbelievably high concentration of stupid, loud, toxic imbeciles waiting to criticise every move. It’s hard to know whether this is an affliction that every club suffers, I don’t really look. On reflection, I don’t even think it’s particularly representative of our own fanbase. But it’s overwhelming the social media channels and it must be deflating for staff, players and management at the club.
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An imbecile can be created by not agreeing with the majority.
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It's just unbelievable and embarrassing that all of a sudden certain fans think they should be dictating the clubs transfer policy, identifying targets and demanding the club bid for players on or above the market value.
There's a reason many transfers are concluded towards the end of the transfer window when clubs and agents don't achieve the value they want for players. That's when the negotiation starts and the merry go round begins.
This is business I think fans should keep their noses well and truly out of. I'm also disappointed the club have even entertained questions about certain players and perhaps poorly managing expectations.
We need to get back to keeping all this stuff behind close doors and see what happens. Managing it like this generally ends in disappointment.
I know what you’re saying, but I don’t agree with all of it. Football is big business and fans are huge stakeholders in clubs. Clubs generate news and there’s huge demand for (and consumption of) that. You can’t just shut the fans out and I don’t think there’s anything fundamentally wrong with the statements made by the club. As always, the proof will be what we see coming in over the window, and I do think it’s vital we start early and positively.
Where I certainly agree with you is the observation of an unhealthy obsession with numbers and figures. It adds nothing at all.
Where we have a particular problem with public statements, is the unbelievably high concentration of stupid, loud, toxic imbeciles waiting to criticise every move. It’s hard to know whether this is an affliction that every club suffers, I don’t really look. On reflection, I don’t even think it’s particularly representative of our own fanbase. But it’s overwhelming the social media channels and it must be deflating for staff, players and management at the club.
What a great example of two slightly differing views being argued constructively :thumbsup:
For my own sanity, and defence of many of my posts (there can be very few on here with a greater obsession with numbers and figures :blush:), I am presuming all numbers referred to are financial only :lol:
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Let's be real the average wage at rovers is probably in the 2k bracket plus bonuses. At bigger clubs like Portsmouth it's probably around 2-3* that on average. Then clubs like Sunderland, sheff wed about 10-15* that.
Marquis right now for one will be a big earner, likely on the biggest contract he's ever getting given where his career is at. He's not going to give that up, maybe in the summer but without some form of pay off he's not coming here or probably anywhere. Having said that if he does want to and wants to play football maybe he would make it happen, can't see it.
There are probably some good deals to be had.
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It's just unbelievable and embarrassing that all of a sudden certain fans think they should be dictating the clubs transfer policy, identifying targets and demanding the club bid for players on or above the market value.
There's a reason many transfers are concluded towards the end of the transfer window when clubs and agents don't achieve the value they want for players. That's when the negotiation starts and the merry go round begins.
This is business I think fans should keep their noses well and truly out of. I'm also disappointed the club have even entertained questions about certain players and perhaps poorly managing expectations.
We need to get back to keeping all this stuff behind close doors and see what happens. Managing it like this generally ends in disappointment.
I know what you’re saying, but I don’t agree with all of it. Football is big business and fans are huge stakeholders in clubs. Clubs generate news and there’s huge demand for (and consumption of) that. You can’t just shut the fans out and I don’t think there’s anything fundamentally wrong with the statements made by the club. As always, the proof will be what we see coming in over the window, and I do think it’s vital we start early and positively.
Where I certainly agree with you is the observation of an unhealthy obsession with numbers and figures. It adds nothing at all.
Where we have a particular problem with public statements, is the unbelievably high concentration of stupid, loud, toxic imbeciles waiting to criticise every move. It’s hard to know whether this is an affliction that every club suffers, I don’t really look. On reflection, I don’t even think it’s particularly representative of our own fanbase. But it’s overwhelming the social media channels and it must be deflating for staff, players and management at the club.
What a great example of two slightly differing views being argued constructively :thumbsup:
For my own sanity, and defence of many of my posts (there can be very few on here with a greater obsession with numbers and figures :blush:), I am presuming all numbers referred to are financial only :lol:
Haha yes exactly! Please keep providing your own numerical analysis and journeys through history. Happy new year.
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Reckon we must have about 15k a week to spend on players at most which is a lot for us
You are probably right. 4 x players on 4k a week has been touted around. Imagine marquis and downing will be on the 15-16k combined.
Do you know what the average weekly wage for a L1 player is? You could get 10 for 15k a week.
This isn’t true
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Reckon we must have about 15k a week to spend on players at most which is a lot for us
You are probably right. 4 x players on 4k a week has been touted around. Imagine marquis and downing will be on the 15-16k combined.
Maquis and Downing will be on no more than 11.000 / 12000 combined imo. Max.
Probably around 10.000 combined.
The ave League 1 wage is as GazLaz said around 1.500 a week.
Averages dramatically brought down by reserves/youth team players named in squads. Rovers line up v Sunderland would have probably seen half the line up on less than 500 quid a week. Then your proper league 1 players in that team on 3-4k a week.
4 proper league 1 players is going to cost us 15-16k a week.
Having known one of the accountants all be it from a few years ago. Rovers were paying players like Andy Williams, Coppinger etc 5-6k a week before we went down to league 2.
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Contracts for players in this years budget will end in June. If we sign them on Short term contracts they will end in May. Therefore we will have to pay them for the next 22/26 weeks out of this years budget with the substantial funds added
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It's just unbelievable and embarrassing that all of a sudden certain fans think they should be dictating the clubs transfer policy, identifying targets and demanding the club bid for players on or above the market value.
There's a reason many transfers are concluded towards the end of the transfer window when clubs and agents don't achieve the value they want for players. That's when the negotiation starts and the merry go round begins.
This is business I think fans should keep their noses well and truly out of. I'm also disappointed the club have even entertained questions about certain players and perhaps poorly managing expectations.
We need to get back to keeping all this stuff behind close doors and see what happens. Managing it like this generally ends in disappointment.
I know what you’re saying, but I don’t agree with all of it. Football is big business and fans are huge stakeholders in clubs. Clubs generate news and there’s huge demand for (and consumption of) that. You can’t just shut the fans out and I don’t think there’s anything fundamentally wrong with the statements made by the club. As always, the proof will be what we see coming in over the window, and I do think it’s vital we start early and positively.
Where I certainly agree with you is the observation of an unhealthy obsession with numbers and figures. It adds nothing at all.
Where we have a particular problem with public statements, is the unbelievably high concentration of stupid, loud, toxic imbeciles waiting to criticise every move. It’s hard to know whether this is an affliction that every club suffers, I don’t really look. On reflection, I don’t even think it’s particularly representative of our own fanbase. But it’s overwhelming the social media channels and it must be deflating for staff, players and management at the club.
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Fair comment Jonathan. It just seems so unhealthy when the manager/club are pushed and cajoled into revealing perhaps more than they should about specific targets although sometimes as we know, there are red herrings thrown into the pond just to satisfy the thirst for information.
I don't know about you, but I like surprises!! Ha.
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Reckon we must have about 15k a week to spend on players at most which is a lot for us
You are probably right. 4 x players on 4k a week has been touted around. Imagine marquis and downing will be on the 15-16k combined.
Maquis and Downing will be on no more than 11.000 / 12000 combined imo. Max.
Probably around 10.000 combined.
The ave League 1 wage is as GazLaz said around 1.500 a week.
Averages dramatically brought down by reserves/youth team players named in squads. Rovers line up v Sunderland would have probably seen half the line up on less than 500 quid a week. Then your proper league 1 players in that team on 3-4k a week.
4 proper league 1 players is going to cost us 15-16k a week.
Having known one of the accountants all be it from a few years ago. Rovers were paying players like Andy Williams, Coppinger etc 5-6k a week before we went down to league 2.
Padge there will not be any of our players on 4 grand a week.
Only one near could be Bostock if DM was allowed to give him that. I doubt it to be honest.
Maybe Rowe, Close and Anderson, Taylor on 2.500 / 3 grand but to be honest other than those 4 i don’t think any of our contracted players will be on more than 2 grand a week.
I don’t know of course, as everyone else on here we are all surmising, but if any one thinks we have players on 4 grand plus then i personally think you are well off the mark.
Our wage bill is likely to be a max of 2 million just on the playing squad and coaching staff.
Do the maths.
4 grand at Rovers in league 1 is pie in the sky. Championship yes.
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Close and Hiwula will be on it. Taylor probably not as the security of a 3 year deal lowered his weekly wage I reckon.
Hiwula was supposed to be ripping league 1 up and hasn't happened. Close is a proper player. Injuries ruining it. I doubt we were the only team in for him and paying peanuts won't have got him here over others.
It sounds like Wellens blew a lot on just a few players then that's when we got to signing players like Dodoo, Garnder and Barlow.
If anything I'd say there's probably a bug divide in wages within the squad itself and even starting line up.
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Close and Hiwula will be on it. Taylor probably not as the security of a 3 year deal lowered his weekly wage I reckon.
Hiwula was supposed to be ripping league 1 up and hasn't happened. Close is a proper player. Injuries ruining it. I doubt we were the only team in for him and paying peanuts won't have got him here over others.
It sounds like Wellens blew a lot on just a few players then that's when we got to signing players like Dodoo, Garnder and Barlow.
If anything I'd say there's probably a bug divide in wages within the squad itself and even starting line up.
Well I am pleased you know that Hiwula and Close are on 4 grand a week. None of the rest of us have a clue.
So they are on more that T Rowe? I don’t think so.
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Add Rowe to those 2.
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Reckon we must have about 15k a week to spend on players at most which is a lot for us
You are probably right. 4 x players on 4k a week has been touted around. Imagine marquis and downing will be on the 15-16k combined.
Maquis and Downing will be on no more than 11.000 / 12000 combined imo. Max.
Probably around 10.000 combined.
The ave League 1 wage is as GazLaz said around 1.500 a week.
Averages dramatically brought down by reserves/youth team players named in squads. Rovers line up v Sunderland would have probably seen half the line up on less than 500 quid a week. Then your proper league 1 players in that team on 3-4k a week.
4 proper league 1 players is going to cost us 15-16k a week.
Having known one of the accountants all be it from a few years ago. Rovers were paying players like Andy Williams, Coppinger etc 5-6k a week before we went down to league 2.
Andy Giddings said on Praise or Grumble tonight that Downing is on 4.5k per week.
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Reckon we must have about 15k a week to spend on players at most which is a lot for us
You are probably right. 4 x players on 4k a week has been touted around. Imagine marquis and downing will be on the 15-16k combined.
Maquis and Downing will be on no more than 11.000 / 12000 combined imo. Max.
Probably around 10.000 combined.
The ave League 1 wage is as GazLaz said around 1.500 a week.
Averages dramatically brought down by reserves/youth team players named in squads. Rovers line up v Sunderland would have probably seen half the line up on less than 500 quid a week. Then your proper league 1 players in that team on 3-4k a week.
4 proper league 1 players is going to cost us 15-16k a week.
Having known one of the accountants all be it from a few years ago. Rovers were paying players like Andy Williams, Coppinger etc 5-6k a week before we went down to league 2.
Andy Giddings said on Praise or Grumble tonight that Downing is on 4.5k per week.
So if a loan then I doubt we will pay more than half. Up to Pompey then.
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Pay up Pompey.