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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: swain_drfc on January 02, 2022, 08:59:16 pm
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Get this arrogant piece of shit out of the club!
Sinclair had to push the lad back on to the pitch to applaud the fans at the final whistle. The guy literally does not give two f**ks and he is a spineless waste of space anyway.
Him, Cukur and Dodoo can share a taxi.
Useless.
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Posted in another thread but repeating it because I am fuming at what this clown is getting away with;
Did anyone else see Hiwula try to disappear straight down the tunnel only for a member of staff to push him back and send him over to the fans?
Even then he only walked in our general direction, didn’t even come over.
After that performance as well the bleeding shithouse.
I wish this was football manager and we could just ship him out.
He has been and is a complete disgrace to our shirt.
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And to add his stupid yellow card at a time when we were under the cosh and had no other options off the bench!
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Get this arrogant piece of shit out of the club!
Sinclair had to push the lad back on to the pitch to applaud the fans at the final whistle. The guy literally does not give two f**ks and he is a spineless waste of space anyway.
Him, Cukur and Dodoo can share a taxi.
Useless.
Do you know I actually agree with that. He is a waste of space. At least Dodoo puts some effort in even if he is useless.
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And to add his stupid yellow card at a time when we were under the cosh and had no other options off the bench!
Think he was looking to be sent off because he was lucky not to be sent off long after for kicking the ball away and a freekick was awarded.
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At Charlton away he walked right in front of the away fans and didn’t even look or applaud.
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Can players still get fined by clubs. .?
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And to add his stupid yellow card at a time when we were under the cosh and had no other options off the bench!
Think he was looking to be sent off because he was lucky not to be sent off long after for kicking the ball away and a freekick was awarded.
The ref felt for his back pocket as he ran over when Hiwula kicked the ball away. Then hesitated and left the cards in his pocket.
Never get the f**king rub of the green with refs do we?
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If we’ve got players with attitudes like this no wonder we are in the s**t
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Apart from his lack of application, what about the run in the first half where he got into the box and completely forgot how to shoot. It's happened in a few of the recent games. His head is not in the game at the moment.
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He is dreadful
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It did appear he was doing his best to get sent off (well without putting in an actual challenge) Dodoo kept looking over to his side when chasing to close down as if to say what are you doing? Then the ball would be played down the line where Hiluwa was often in no man's land - leaving Horton 1 vs 1.
He's a piece of
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We might as well try and reach an agreement for him to leave on a free. Clearly doesn't want to be here.
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Get rid ASAP. Zero interest.
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Get this arrogant piece of shit out of the club!
Sinclair had to push the lad back on to the pitch to applaud the fans at the final whistle. The guy literally does not give two f**ks and he is a spineless waste of space anyway.
Him, Cukur and Dodoo can share a taxi.
Useless.
We’ve has got another year of his crap !!
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Him, Cukur and Dodoo combined are worse than my dead rabbit. Get out of my club.
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When Hiwula signed for us I was really chuffed because I could remember him being very good against us in the past.
I am flabbergasted at how much he has deteriorated this season.
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Stuck with him until July 2023 because lets face it, I dont think there is a club stupid enough to take him off us and if they do, it wont be anybody willing to pay him the same as what we are. I know this not because i know what money he is earning but because he is sh!t. We are in the same boat with a fair few of these players not just Hiwula. I hope the club know this and arent just hoping GM or any other manager will come in and magically improve them when they should be at the peak of their careers given the ages they are at. But this is what you get when you dont pay fees for players. Theres a reason their previous clubs let them walk out the club for free.
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Someone might take him on a loan, better saving some of his wages than nothing at all.
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Meant to be one of Wellens's marquee signings. Says it all really.
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He hasn't got that bad a record before coming here. No excuse for his attitude/performances since signing though but hopefully someone takes him based on his past like we did with Bogle... Or are we the only ones stupid enough for that....
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When Hiwula signed for us I was really chuffed because I could remember him being very good against us in the past.
I am flabbergasted at how much he has deteriorated this season.
Same. Physical handful and had decent spells of goalscoring at previous clubs. Can't fathom how he's now the player he is. Was he always near the top of the division with previous clubs? All I can think is he (amongst others) haven't got the bottle for a relegation scrap.
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Don’t think I’ve despised a Rovers player so much in my life. Zero footballing ability and couldn’t give a toss. He didn’t even look bothered when the 4th went in. Useless bas**rd.
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Horrendous player, cant even control a football runs into trouble every time and cant even pass a ball. Doesnt even know the basics of football. When we signed him i watched a few clips of him playing at i think Coventry and was pretty impressed. Turned out shi*e
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Him, Cukur and Dodoo combined are worse than my dead rabbit. Get out of my club.
but fans wonder why we let 3 goal slip,it’s quiete easy when you only got 7/8 players trying
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Could see he was an idle sod within 10 minutes of seeing him live first time. No attempt to make movements off the ball and stands still as a scarecrow when the full back is taking throw ins down his side of the pitch.
Obviously can perform if he wants to given his performances at Coventry and I bet would be quite good in a team performing well.
I wonder how much money he is on? A damn site more than us punters who are contributing towards his wages I bet.
The man is a complete and utter disgrace in my view. A case in point as to why clubs should do due diligence before making signings not just on ability and injury records but on attitude and character as well.
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He’s looked decent at other clubs, I don’t know why he has been so poor for us. Our fans will forgive a bad game if the player is working hard, we are not getting that from him. He needs to up his game, he is better than this.
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The only time I recall our fans openly and collectively barracking one of our own players, was when Lewis Guy dived in the box at Chesterfield, when he could have crossed the ball.
Maybe it's time Hiwula realised his attitude ain't acceptable, and we're not having it.
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The only time I recall our fans openly and collectively barracking one of our own players, was when Lewis Guy dived in the box at Chesterfield, when he could have crossed the ball.
Maybe it's time Hiwula realised his attitude ain't acceptable, and we're not having it.
Iv never had a go at a player at FT in my life but my head had gone a bit on Sunday and was ready to give him some at FT. Not proud of that but that’s where i was. Didn’t matter in the end as he couldn’t even be arsed to come over to us.
Get him gone, would rather have kept playing Vilca.
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The only time I recall our fans openly and collectively barracking one of our own players, was when Lewis Guy dived in the box at Chesterfield, when he could have crossed the ball.
Maybe it's time Hiwula realised his attitude ain't acceptable, and we're not having it.
You might not have been at the game when ATS did his knee injury and had to walk in front of the south stand then TT.
The abuse he got was ridiculous, especially the “you’re not fit to wear the shirt song”.
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Hiwula is one you feel we could actually move on given his pre-Rovers record.
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Makes Curtis Main look hyperactive
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At least he's united the fans in one thing!
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Mr Hiwula needs to have a good and long think about what he's doing and where he wants to take it, this from a player who most of us on here welcomed as a good acquisition and someone who had credit in the bank to make a difference to our side.
That he is now parading as a footballer brings the trade descriptions act into disrepute.
I've seen the very same guy run through our defence, at speed and with good control and score goals, all the things that seemed to have completely dissapeared from his game. We were all hoping it was a personality thing with RW going off but even that can now be disregarded.
What a waste, hate to think how much in hock we are for this now.
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I wonder if he's not fit, being played because we simply have no one else. Either that or his lungs can't handle our great northern air.
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I hate to be the voice of reason, as he clearly has not performed as he and we expected. GMc knows this, and is looking at ways to get the best from him.
I just think he is absolutely shot of all confidence, im not sure many picked up on the way he reacted when there was a goal line clearance at home - can't remember the game. He was devastated, to the point a few team mates were trying to console him - I could be wrong but I thought at the time, this is a player who is struggling mentally.
I think he just needs time, and it is unfortunate that we don't have that luxury this season.
I get fans are hurting but to solo him out and make him the fall guy is wrong, not a chance he will get any better with this type of assassination. I strongly doubt he is doing any of this on purpose.
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I have a friend who is a Portsmouth fan and he said when we signed him what the hell are we doing, he was by the sounds of it exactly the same there, showed no interest at all.
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I hate to be the voice of reason, as he clearly has not performed as he and we expected. GMc knows this, and is looking at ways to get the best from him.
I just think he is absolutely shot of all confidence, im not sure many picked up on the way he reacted when there was a goal line clearance at home - can't remember the game. He was devastated, to the point a few team mates were trying to console him - I could be wrong but I thought at the time, this is a player who is struggling mentally.
I think he just needs time, and it is unfortunate that we don't have that luxury this season.
I get fans are hurting but to solo him out and make him the fall guy is wrong, not a chance he will get any better with this type of assassination. I strongly doubt he is doing any of this on purpose.
See i can't get my head around this mental health issue that gets bandied around very easily these days.
It must of been his mental toughness that got him to the level where he was prior to us, now we know people can have an off day but this has been a constant, I'm leaning towards him carrying some sort of injury
Before the right on crowd dive in, we are aware of real mental health issues in society and the blight on peoples lives it creates.
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I hate to be the voice of reason, as he clearly has not performed as he and we expected. GMc knows this, and is looking at ways to get the best from him.
I just think he is absolutely shot of all confidence, im not sure many picked up on the way he reacted when there was a goal line clearance at home - can't remember the game. He was devastated, to the point a few team mates were trying to console him - I could be wrong but I thought at the time, this is a player who is struggling mentally.
I think he just needs time, and it is unfortunate that we don't have that luxury this season.
I get fans are hurting but to solo him out and make him the fall guy is wrong, not a chance he will get any better with this type of assassination. I strongly doubt he is doing any of this on purpose.
Very well put and I could not agree more.
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Its nothing to do with mental health, its about not believing in the team around you and those not believing in them in return and therefore the supporters not believing in any of them. Tis why we are in the sh!t.
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I hate to be the voice of reason, as he clearly has not performed as he and we expected. GMc knows this, and is looking at ways to get the best from him.
I just think he is absolutely shot of all confidence, im not sure many picked up on the way he reacted when there was a goal line clearance at home - can't remember the game. He was devastated, to the point a few team mates were trying to console him - I could be wrong but I thought at the time, this is a player who is struggling mentally.
I think he just needs time, and it is unfortunate that we don't have that luxury this season.
I get fans are hurting but to solo him out and make him the fall guy is wrong, not a chance he will get any better with this type of assassination. I strongly doubt he is doing any of this on purpose.
While I get this & it's a possibility, there does seem a lack of effort too, surely he's not been unfit the whole season?
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Mr Hiwula needs to have a good and long think about what he's doing and where he wants to take it, this from a player who most of us on here welcomed as a good acquisition and someone who had credit in the bank to make a difference to our side.
That he is now parading as a footballer brings the trade descriptions act into disrepute.
I've seen the very same guy run through our defence, at speed and with good control and score goals, all the things that seemed to have completely dissapeared from his game. We were all hoping it was a personality thing with RW going off but even that can now be disregarded.
What a waste, hate to think how much in hock we are for this now.
That’s the frustrating thing don-we know he can play
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He’s scored against us a few times over the years at Walsall etc.
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GM seems a patient bloke, as you would expect from a coach, so you would expect he-ll be working with him to find out whether it's a physical thing or a mental thing, or indeed both.
It's so frustrating for everyone when you see him making similar errors, poor control, then sometimes over elaborating when the simplist thing to do is play a simple pass or shoot.
There are occasions when he has done things right, so we know there's more in him than what we're getting at the mo, so it's a case of keep searching for the key that unlocks the door.
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In all honesty his form dipped after RW told him he wasn’t a circus act and then he got injured too
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Has he had covid?, he could be suffering with after effects.
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Has he had covid?, he could be suffering with after effects.
Well I doubt it as plays a full game virtually every match. Not sure plays is the right word.
If he was suffering with long Covid you would expect him to be getting subbed far more often than he is.
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I can’t be sure here but I seem to recall it being said that Hiwula had had covid and that he hadn’t fully recovered from it.
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Is it covid's fault his feet turn into trampolines every time someone passes him the togger
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Long covid does really effect you. If he has that then he is doing well to even be on the pitch.
It’s frustrating because he is a player I always liked the look of at other clubs. Maybe if he gets a goal then his confidence will improve and he will show the ability he has.
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The real answer is more likely all of the above, he is out of form, trying too hard, very low on confidence playing in a very poor team that is unlikely to create chances to help him, as they also need the help.
I feel he will come good eventually, we have just got to hope he gets one in of his bum or something.
He is not a hard working, getting back, making tackles type of player, so laying the lazy tag on him, as people did with one of the best players I have ever seen at DRFC ( Taylor Richards) is not great form.
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Can not keep getting a shirt. That touch today before he was subbed just summed him up.
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Has he had covid?, he could be suffering with after effects.
I think I caught Rovid today , after watching that today I'm feeling the after effects tonight.... Lifeless , Effortless and couldn't give a Fckless.
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Can not keep getting a shirt. That touch today before he was subbed just summed him up.
That has to be one of the worst touches ever seen on a football pitch.
Seemed to have loads of space, literally bounced off him 10 yards.
In general, I think rovers fans are fairly patient with players and getting on their backs. Especially at games. Yesterday people had enough at the sheer incompetence of Hiwula. Stinking signing.
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One incident that was very noticeable was when there was an interruption in play and all the players came over to the manager except Hiwula who just stood in the centre circle staring at the Fleetwood fans.
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One incident that was very noticeable was when there was an interruption in play and all the players came over to the manager except Hiwula who just stood in the centre circle staring at the Fleetwood fans.
Yes, forgot about that, thought it strange at the time, another incident was when he tackled himself in the centre circle. For some reason or other his head is not in the game and at present he’s stealing a wage big time
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One incident that was very noticeable was when there was an interruption in play and all the players came over to the manager except Hiwula who just stood in the centre circle staring at the Fleetwood fans.
I noticed that too E4D.
The lad must be having some serious mental issues.
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It’s a strange one, he’s been at Man City and represented England at youth level, so he’s been an elite performer in the past. Something has gone wrong, has he had an injury that he’s never got over? Has he got long Covid? Has he got depression or something, lost all is confidence? Is he just not fit, your touch goes when you’re not match fit? Or is it just playing for a team where you’re under the cosh all the time, he’s a confidence player, needs feeding, no fight can’t dig in?
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Booing him off the pitch when he got subbed is unlikely to be the balm to salve all his current woes, whatever they might be.
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I must admit I was very surprised GM started him. He questioned the mentality of some in the week, I think it was pretty obvious he was alluding to Hiwula and yet he still starts
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It does worry me a little that GM is still starting him. He needs a few weeks on the bench and to come back with a fresh start.
Dodoo is a better option at the moment out wide and with Seaman now coming back it'll be a travesty if Hiwula keeps his shirt for the next game.
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At least Seaman looked like he had the bit between his teeth when he came on.
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Shocking, just shocking!
https://twitter.com/matt_walker96/status/1480140061811294212?s=21
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Shocking, just shocking!
https://twitter.com/matt_walker96/status/1480140061811294212?s=21
Bit of mental gymnastics in the replies, apparently it's the owners' fault that Hiwula took the touch of an axe murderer.
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I feel a bit worried for him, and quite sorry for him. There’s no way on earth he’s as bad as he currently looks, and no way he wants to be this bad either. As has been pointed out above, he came through the Manchester City academy, has represented England at youth level and has had a decent goalscoring career in the EFL. Many of us remember him looking impressive against us. Something is clearly wrong at the moment. That horror touch yesterday is something you wouldn’t see on a Sunday morning, he’s clearly not as bad as that made him look or he’d never have been a footballer, rather like most of those they hurl abuse at him.
I can see why McSheffrey picked him again as we all know there’s something there, we saw occasional flashes of it earlier in the season and the team is crying out for that now. But it’s not happening for him at all and he looks totally lost and disillusioned. I hope the club are helping him, and I hope he helps himself too. Probably needs time out of the team now and I hope when he comes back he gets encouragement and that he justifies that.
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His heads obviously just completely gone. It’s it’s responsibility as a pro, getting paid ‘000s a week for it not to go and if it does to get it back. That’s where the hunger comes in. Is he doing all he can to find a bit of form? Unlikely. That’s what separates the proper players from the rest.
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I feel a bit worried for him, and quite sorry for him. There’s no way on earth he’s as bad as he currently looks, and no way he wants to be this bad either. As has been pointed out above, he came through the Manchester City academy, has represented England at youth level and has had a decent goalscoring career in the EFL. Many of us remember him looking impressive against us. Something is clearly wrong at the moment. That horror touch yesterday is something you wouldn’t see on a Sunday morning, he’s clearly not as bad as that made him look or he’d never have been a footballer, rather like most of those they hurl abuse at him.
I can see why McSheffrey picked him again as we all know there’s something there, we saw occasional flashes of it earlier in the season and the team is crying out for that now. But it’s not happening for him at all and he looks totally lost and disillusioned. I hope the club are helping him, and I hope he helps himself too. Probably needs time out of the team now and I hope when he comes back he gets encouragement and that he justifies that.
Last week he was petulant, lazy and awful (in that order) this week he was awful & lazy...the fastest he ran was to be subbed.
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Hiwula's reaction to that awful touch, as frustrating as it was at the time, is quite alarming. I have to say I'm a bit worried about him too. Either it's confidence, effects of covid/injury or he simply has something else going on that we aren't privy to.
He has had a good career up to this point, I thought it was a proper signing when he arrived, but of all the players struggling this season it is Hiwula who just doesn't look like a capable footballer anymore.
Along with Cukur maybe but there's doubts over whether he would or has ever looked up to it.
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Hiwula's reaction to that awful touch, as frustrating as it was at the time, is quite alarming. I have to say I'm a bit worried about him too. Either it's confidence, effects of covid/injury or he simply has something else going on that we aren't privy to.
He has had a good career up to this point, I thought it was a proper signing when he arrived, but of all the players struggling this season it is Hiwula who just doesn't look like a capable footballer anymore.
Along with Cukur maybe but there's doubts over whether he would or has ever looked up to it.
After the touch he took two steps and then just gave up on it, he was still nearer to the ball than the defender who really had to do nothing to take the ball away from him. If that was an isolated incident then not much would be said about it, but it’s been happening all season, booing him off the pitch won’t have done his mental state any good either
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Hiwula's reaction to that awful touch, as frustrating as it was at the time, is quite alarming. I have to say I'm a bit worried about him too. Either it's confidence, effects of covid/injury or he simply has something else going on that we aren't privy to.
He has had a good career up to this point, I thought it was a proper signing when he arrived, but of all the players struggling this season it is Hiwula who just doesn't look like a capable footballer anymore.
Along with Cukur maybe but there's doubts over whether he would or has ever looked up to it.
RA, I said yesterday that Hiwula appears to have some serious mental issues right now.
That reaction of his after the poor touch makes me very concerned for his well-being.
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I agree Hound - he's obviously at rock bottom mentally (same way Curtis Main got). I think at this point there's nothing to be gained by criticizing him further so I will personally refrain from it. Some just seem to criticise players to get their own frustrations out, not wanting them to get better.
He shouldn't become a whipping boy for others who are equally not performing
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I hope he doesn’t read Twitter or even this forum.
Just supposing he is at a ridiculously low point and topped himself.
It does happen.
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Alternatively he could be on bad form and not putting in the work he should? If he was suffering that badly mentally and it was known to the coaching staff do you think he'd be starting week in week out?
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Alternatively he could be on bad form and not putting in the work he should? If he was suffering that badly mentally and it was known to the coaching staff do you think he'd be starting week in week out?
We don't have any other players to replace him.
His head is not in the game, its obvious.
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Alternatively he could be on bad form and not putting in the work he should? If he was suffering that badly mentally and it was known to the coaching staff do you think he'd be starting week in week out?
I don’t know CR, maybe a good question to put to McSheff.
You might wonder why, given that he is nowhere near at the level he needs to be, why he is getting a shirt anyway.
A break would probably do him good.
Sometimes people don’t reveal their mental issues to people around them for fear of looking weak.
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Alternatively he could be on bad form and not putting in the work he should? If he was suffering that badly mentally and it was known to the coaching staff do you think he'd be starting week in week out?
We don't have any other players to replace him.
His head is not in the game, its obvious.
Dodoo would have been an easy replacement in that team.
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We have a guy on the staff that’s got a Pro Mindset book out.
Should we not be tapping into this!
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I thought the treatment of Jordy Hiwula yesterday, by some of our so called supporters, was an absolute disgrace. Booed for misplaced passes and lack of control of the ball, then sarcastically cheered off when he was subbed. There is no wonder he’s all over the place. Will he improve when treated like this? Not a chance. I recall not that long ago our supporters ruined the career of a young goalkeeper (Etheridge) and Hiwula seems to be going the same way. It’s disgusting!
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Are you supposed to applaud a lack of effort and application?
I wouldn't boo him personally- but I also feel he should be no way near first team selection on current form or effort.
A lack of choice is the only reason he's in the team I'd expect.
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I was really pleased with Hiwula signing, unfortunately it’s not worked out so far which is a shame for him and us. There is still a lot of stigma surrounding mental health. Not sure of the best way forward for him, does giving him a rest dent his confidence even more ?
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Hiwula hasn’t deserved to be anywhere near the starting XI for the Rovers in the last few months, unfortunately there isn’t anyone to replace him. Although, his efforts have been such that one of the junior players wouldn’t have produced much less than he has.
COYR
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Have him benched for the next 3-4 games and don't bring him on unless there is no other option. Needs to have time on the training ground and to himself to get his head straight.
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He needs to be sat down and have a good chat and get things off his chest
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He needs to be sat down and have a good chat and get things off his chest
Do you think the manager won’t have already done that?
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He needs to be sat down and have a good chat and get things off his chest
Do you think the manager won’t have already done that?
Probably, just thinking aloud
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When he came off the pitch he looked as though he could kick himself. Wouldn't have mattered though...... He'd have missed.
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He needs to be sat down and have a good chat and get things off his chest
If he’s suffering mentally as in mental health, it’s not that easy at all.
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I was under the impression this was Coops job at the club. I've never seen a player at rovers who needed that sort of guidance more than Hiwula seems to right now.
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3 pages of personal attacks on a player clearly low in confidence shows exactly why Copps is at the club and why it is needed.
Other than destroying a career what exactly do you hope to achieve?
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The depths people go to excuse shocking performances. Now this forum has diagnosed him with clinical depression! With zero evidence at all other than he's woeful and disinterested in doing the job he's paid to do.
The only person destroying his career is Jordy Hiwulu himself.
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The depths people go to excuse shocking performances. Now this forum has diagnosed him with clinical depression! With zero evidence at all other than he's woeful and disinterested in doing the job he's paid to do.
The only person destroying his career is Jordy Hiwulu himself.
I said if he has. I hope to god he hasn’t got mental health issues. I’ve suffered for over 20 years and it’s horrid to live with. Sorry for maybe being a bit understanding instead of the useless crappy abuse players get. No one knows what is the problem with the player. Remember players are human as well.
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Obviously if he's having mental health issues then we'd all want him to get better - same as any injury. But let's face it this supposed mental health issue has been plucked out of thin air with no evidence for it.
I'm not abusing him, and didn't boo him yesterday, but I really think his lack of effort brought those boos on himself.
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‘If’ his problems are related to the mental side of performing as a professional footballer isn’t that why we employed Copps, someone who understands the pressures of being in the ‘spotlight’ & thus be able to help the younger players?
I know it can be more complex than that. Just asking the question.
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Obviously if he's having mental health issues then we'd all want him to get better - same as any injury. But let's face it this supposed mental health issue has been plucked out of thin air with no evidence for it.
I'm not abusing him, and didn't boo him yesterday, but I really think his lack of effort brought those boos on himself.
I’d agree it may have been plucked from thin air but it is a possible issue. I watched him yesterday and he reminded me of myself, how I could not be arsed to try and save my own business even from going under. You can paint a picture from a person’s body language imo.
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Strange one with hiwula, I think personally…. He has the work rate, last few games he has been up and down both ends of the pitch, but clearly he has zero confidence which then hampers any ability he does have. A case for that would be the shocking touch at one point in the game yesterday. I’ve zero doubt with a bit of confidence that touch would have been under control and flying towards the net.
I think (maybe to late) with the right players around him, we could see a completely different play.
If we can shore up the middle / defence and give him the support, I do think we can get goals and assists out of him, but with how fragile the team is at the minute, any little mistake is almost always punished and push’s players further into their shells.
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The depths people go to excuse shocking performances. Now this forum has diagnosed him with clinical depression! With zero evidence at all other than he's woeful and disinterested in doing the job he's paid to do.
The only person destroying his career is Jordy Hiwulu himself.
I haven’t seen anyone diagnose him, only suggestions that he might have problems.
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There was at one point in the 1st half yesterday almost a constant shout of Jordy go forward Jordy track back Jordy go wide etc from Sinclair
That must be embarrasing for a professional footballer.
Someone said earlier there was sarcastic cheering when he was brought off it most definitely wasn't sarcastic it was great relief
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Football is a team game, there are ten others on there. Nobody will tell me this guy hasn’t got talent, he has had a decent career. Something has gone wrong, covid, mental health, loss of a family member. Someone as good as him doesn’t deteriorate like he has. He’s a player I’ve always wanted us to sign.
Confidence must be shot as well. Probably a guy who needs help.
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The depths people go to excuse shocking performances. Now this forum has diagnosed him with clinical depression! With zero evidence at all other than he's woeful and disinterested in doing the job he's paid to do.
The only person destroying his career is Jordy Hiwulu himself.
I haven’t seen anyone diagnose him, only suggestions that he might have problems.
Exactly. I think people are trying to be fair on him rather than default to saying he’s shit, which he’s obviously not otherwise he wouldn’t have had the career he’s had. He’s one of our players and I want to see the best of him, which we very clearly aren’t at the moment.
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Football is a team game, there are ten others on there. Nobody will tell me this guy hasn’t got talent, he has had a decent career. Something has gone wrong, covid, mental health, loss of a family member. Someone as good as him doesn’t deteriorate like he has. He’s a player I’ve always wanted us to sign.
Confidence must be shot as well. Probably a guy who needs help.
Something has gone wrong. He couldn’t give a monkey’s toss about Doncaster Rovers, that’s what has gone wrong. The guy is arrogant.
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Football is a team game, there are ten others on there. Nobody will tell me this guy hasn’t got talent, he has had a decent career. Something has gone wrong, covid, mental health, loss of a family member. Someone as good as him doesn’t deteriorate like he has. He’s a player I’ve always wanted us to sign.
Confidence must be shot as well. Probably a guy who needs help.
Something has gone wrong. He couldn’t give a monkey’s toss about Doncaster Rovers, that’s what has gone wrong. The guy is arrogant.
Are you not more arrogant just presuming ?
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That touch, he was probably more in shock he was receiving the ball inside Fleetwood's half from one of our players.
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I must admit, I’ve been harsh on him. Clearly he has talent. I remember him playing against us and thinking he’s a player I’d like at Rovers, and I was excited when we signed him.
I hope he is able to get whatever he needs to find his mojo.
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So we now have fans criticising fans for criticising players...
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I think we have always had that.
Only yesterday there was a chat about Bostock.
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So we now have fans criticising fans for criticising players...
And fans criticising fans for criticising fans for criticising players.
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He will get a goal in the next few games, then his confidence will pick up. He is a good player at this level, something not quite right with him so far.
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I think the reaction by some Rovers fans to Hiwula being subbed against Fleetwood was warranted. I feel it is a bit predictable to be throwing out mental illness as a reason for his lacklustre performances this season but obviously it can't be ruled out.
For now though, what we have to go on is that Hiwula is simply not worth a place in the side, even given our personnel crisis and a good run of games on the bench might do the trick. Depends what type of character he is.
Cukur won't be stinking the place out with his casual approach to playing so that leaves Hiwula, who is perhaps the only other player that i feel isn't putting in any effort. Dodoo does try, he's just very limited but i'd rather have workrate and nothing else than nothing else and nothing else, which is what Hiwula gives us.
So will Agard start tomorrow along with Dodoo and Bogle and will GM bench Hiwula?