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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: phil old leake on January 08, 2022, 04:57:10 pm
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To survive this year now
I don’t want to lose the faith but I’m faltering unfortunately
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9 points and a significantly worse goal difference is almost insurmountable in any circumstances.
Closing that gap with this squad is simply not achievable.
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I said 10% chance a couple of days ago.
It's a 1% chance now. Any semblance of fight or belief has gone.
We've just gone 135mins without a shot on target against two relegation sides.
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4 new players just wont be enough.
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This season is done with now.
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To survive this year now
I don’t want to lose the faith but I’m faltering unfortunately
It's not going to happen unfortunately. Focus now needs to be on clearing out the dead wood (of which we have lots) and recruiting for League Two. Pains me to say it, but the club stinks from top to bottom at the moment. Better days ahead hopefully!
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Time for pragmatism, get planning for league 2 now
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10 points adrift, if you count gd as a point.
I’m utterly disgusted in how a group of so called players can put in such lacklustre performances week after week after week.
I honestly don’t know how they look at themselves in the mirror after that today.
My football loving heart is warmed today though by Barrow, Borehamwood, Cambridge and Kiddy.
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I think, and many others probably will, we need the signings to start coming in quickly this week. We can't hope to go on the required winning run whilst looking as toothless as we do. I genuinely thought todays line up looked a lot stronger than in previous weeks but the result and performance really highlights how
f**ked up against it we are.
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4 new players just wont be enough.
That was clear at the beginning of the season. Even when we just had Taylor and Fej out, we were still rubbish then.
It's sad to say but the players have zero confidence. The board have appointed a rookie manager in GM who has had no impact on the team in a key key period.
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Time for pragmatism, get planning for league 2 now
When did the club last evidence any ability or willingness to plan for anything when it comes to the football side of the business?
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I would forget any expensive loan signings in this window. Don’t waste money. Plan for lge two. Pointless having loan signings till season end, only to try to rebuild again in the close season.
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Ive got say i think we are down. Looking at that performance today against another poor team and of course last weeks collapse i just can't see where the next win will come from. The next run of fixtures is tough. Even if we get some bodies in or back i think it will be too late. Hope im wrong. This is the worst team since we dropped into the conference. Sad times #RTID
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Ive got say i think we are down. Looking at that performance today against another poor team and of course last weeks collapse i just can't see where the next win will come from. The next run of fixtures is tough. Even if we get some bodies in or back i think it will be too late. Hope im wrong. This is the worst team since we dropped into the conference. Sad times #RTID
we were better in the conference than this
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The lack of urgency (and ambition) in appointing the new manager and lack of urgency to get new bodies in have also desperately hurt us. I know it's literally days, but you should be planning for every f**king second in our situation. A failure on the board's part to influence our position IMO (and we can't hear the covid excuse after our relegation rivals singed a striker who scored today!).
They've got an opportunity to use this window to start building for league two next year. Will they use it? I'd start with stop fannying around and appoint a proper f**king manager.
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Worst side we’ve had in last 15-20 years. Absolutely disgraceful performance today. Not one of them showed any fight. Pointless wasting money on new signings
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This is the worst I've seen us play, and that includes four years of going in the Conference - granted I didn't actually know any better at that point.
But I'm pretty sure that our team from 2001 could beat this lot. There's no fight, no bottle, no confidence, no desire, no ability, no intelligence and just...nothing. It is very difficult to even watch the games as a fan, and the mood of Cameron John on iFollow comms said a lot about how they're all feeling day-to-day too.
I don't think the manager can fix it, and I doubt a few signings would save us now.
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Ive got say i think we are down. Looking at that performance today against another poor team and of course last weeks collapse i just can't see where the next win will come from. The next run of fixtures is tough. Even if we get some bodies in or back i think it will be too late. Hope im wrong. This is the worst team since we dropped into the conference. Sad times #RTID
we were better in the conference than this
And that's where we are heading again with these clowns in charge!!
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Ive got say i think we are down. Looking at that performance today against another poor team and of course last weeks collapse i just can't see where the next win will come from. The next run of fixtures is tough. Even if we get some bodies in or back i think it will be too late. Hope im wrong. This is the worst team since we dropped into the conference. Sad times #RTID
we were better in the conference than this
Don’t be silly
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It’s an impossible task now. Is there now any point in bringing some in for the short term? Or would be better off bringing players in for league 2?
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As others have said, we might as well start building for league 2 now, this season is done. No point chucking money to try and survive, too little, too late.
The problem now is I can’t see the attendances being great from now till the end of the season (other than teams with good away followings) as the apathy across the club is definitely spreading to the fan base now. Getting those fans back through the gates won’t be easy.
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Unless our signings are for the long term it’s almost pointless wasting money on them now. This is why there’s so much frustration it’s taking so long
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Whatever the reason, bad luck or bad judgement, this is an absolutely appalling side playing dreadful football. As a spectacle, it is beyond risible.
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Agree with the above. No point wasting money now on short term loans. Not a chance in hell we will stay up. Save it for the summer.
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Disgraceful performance today, what's worrying is the absolute total lack of urgency & desire. We are so easy to play against, & second to almost everything. Aswell as the players, the manager has to shoulder some of the blame for that.
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That result today has all but mathematically confirmed our relegation, I wouldn’t waste money bringing players in for this season now, all planning should start from tomorrow for a league 2 campaign and focus on the waste of space players we need out this club
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Clear out the deadwood? With the exception of Rowe, I’d sack the lot of them. If my performance level was as consistently bad as this shower of shit I’d have lost my job a long time ago.
They don’t give a toss. It’s totally and utterly unacceptable. I hope so of them never get a contract again at any club. They are an embarrassment to their profession.
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Ive got say i think we are down. Looking at that performance today against another poor team and of course last weeks collapse i just can't see where the next win will come from. The next run of fixtures is tough. Even if we get some bodies in or back i think it will be too late. Hope im wrong. This is the worst team since we dropped into the conference. Sad times #RTID
we were better in the conference than this
Don’t be silly
Dont think i am actually. We are as awful as anything ive seen in the last 25 years. When we came out of the conference we didnt always have talent but we had an energy,workrate,identity, passion and fight. This team has none of that.
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Yeah thats it I'm afraid ,a win last week and a win today thought we still had a chance but not now .
And todays performance just don't know what to say ,every player should look at there selfs and be ashamed.thats me for tonight so pissed off.
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We are f**ked, at least last time we went down we had Ferguson who was capable of building a squad and attracting good players as much as he should have done better on the pitch. I dont see anyone at the club that is capable of building a strong squad for next season.
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We are f**ked, at least last time we went down we had Ferguson who was capable of building a squad and attracting good players as much as he should have done better on the pitch. I dont see anyone at the club that is capable of building a strong squad for next season.
That could be the really worrying thing - we managed to somehow get relegated a few years ago but still had the likes of Copps and Marquis. This lot won't bounce back.
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I predict we're going to be a midtable league 2 team for some years.
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I predict we're going to be a midtable league 2 team for some years.
Based on what exactly?
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I predict we're going to be a midtable league 2 team for some years.
Based on what exactly?
I don't necessarily agree, however based on our current trajectory it's hardly an outrageous prediction, is it?
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We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from. The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs.
It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.
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I’m not signed up to any of the conspiracy theories but it is a mystery how a club with a fantastic stadium for lower league level, stability of ownership and top half League One budget will now have been relegated to the bottom tier twice in six seasons. The above doesn’t give you a right to be in League One but you’d have to work hard to make these advantages into a relegation fodder side. It’s a mystery to which I don’t know the answer, but we’ve filled half the ledger by having a stable club but the other half someone has walked in the room and crapped all over the page.
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I predict we're going to be a midtable league 2 team for some years.
Based on what exactly?
I don't necessarily agree, however based on our current trajectory it's hardly an outrageous prediction, is it?
But even a prediction has to based on something doesn't it?
So, I'm just trying to find out why we would be a mid-table Lg2 side for years to come.
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I predict we're going to be a midtable league 2 team for some years.
Based on what exactly?
Based on the absolute malaise that has set in at this club SM. There’s currently no hope of even winning a game, never mind obtaining the 80+ points in a season we would need for promotion
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I predict we're going to be a midtable league 2 team for some years.
Agreed. Some can't see the wood for the trees.
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I predict we're going to be a midtable league 2 team for some years.
Based on the current squad Silent
We all know it's not good enough for top l2
Based on what exactly?
I don't necessarily agree, however based on our current trajectory it's hardly an outrageous prediction, is it?
But even a prediction has to based on something doesn't it?
So, I'm just trying to find out why we would be a mid-table Lg2 side for years to come.
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I predict we're going to be a midtable league 2 team for some years.
Based on what exactly?
I don't necessarily agree, however based on our current trajectory it's hardly an outrageous prediction, is it?
But even a prediction has to based on something doesn't it?
So, I'm just trying to find out why we would be a mid-table Lg2 side for years to come.
I think this current squad wouldn’t be above 15th in league 2. That means it’s going to need an almighty rebuild. We did that under Ferguson, however our recruitment under the current regime has been abysmal. So I don’t think it’s a wild thing to say we will be a mid table league 2 club in the coming years.
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We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from. The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs.
It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.
Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?
We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?
Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own
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We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from. The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs.
It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.
Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?
We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?
Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own
Budgets change though. Like how our budget supposedly went from top 6 to 14th over time...
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Yeah,
Basically we're back in sack the board territory...
But there still is no answer to the question, what next?
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I see most people are looking at the team that's currently turning out for us, but that's not the team that will be with us next season is it?
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After Ferguson had relegated us to League Two, the side he put out in the first game of the season (away at Accrington, which we lost) was:
1 (G) R Etheridge
6 (D) A Butler
8 (D) R Calder
12 (D) M Lund
24 (D) N Mason
10 (M) T Rowe
16 (M) J Houghton
17 (M) M Blair
26 (M) J Coppinger
9 (F) J Marquis
11 (F) A Williams
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We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from. The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs.
It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.
Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?
We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?
Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own
Thats assuming they all have n’t got relegation clauses in their contract
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We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from. The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs.
It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.
Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?
We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?
Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own
Budgets change though. Like how our budget supposedly went from top 6 to 14th over time...
Strangely enough I was sat in a supporters board meeting this morning and we went through the contingencies. If we do end up in LG2 we'll be fine with the current revenue streams.
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I predict we're going to be a midtable league 2 team for some years.
Based on what exactly?
I don't necessarily agree, however based on our current trajectory it's hardly an outrageous prediction, is it?
But even a prediction has to based on something doesn't it?
So, I'm just trying to find out why we would be a mid-table Lg2 side for years to come.
Based on the fact this shambles is going down and nobody in charge is capable of turning it around with the click of a finger.
Deluded if you think it's going to be easy to just go straight back up. Look at Bradford.
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We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from. The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs.
It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.
Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?
We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?
Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own
Thats assuming they all have n’t got relegation clauses in their contract
They haven't.
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We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from. The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs.
It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.
Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?
We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?
Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own
Budgets change though. Like how our budget supposedly went from top 6 to 14th over time...
Strangely enough I was sat in a supporters board meeting this morning and we went through the contingencies. If we do end up in LG2 we'll be fine with the current revenue streams.
Define "fine".
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Bostock is out of contract this summer, while nobody knows definitively whether Fejiri is or is not - presuming he is still not injured next season.
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I predict we're going to be a midtable league 2 team for some years.
Based on what exactly?
I don't necessarily agree, however based on our current trajectory it's hardly an outrageous prediction, is it?
But even a prediction has to based on something doesn't it?
So, I'm just trying to find out why we would be a mid-table Lg2 side for years to come.
Based on the fact this shambles is going down and nobody in charge is capable of turning it around with the click of a finger.
Deluded if you think it's going to be easy to just go straight back up. Look at Bradford.
But I'm not deluded, my opinion is based on looking at the figures, assessing where we'd fit in the financial structure and looking at the players, who are currently not playing, but are contracted for next season.
That's not being deluded, that's just looking at things objectively.
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Wrexham will certainly have a bigger budget than us in League Two if they go up. Surely Salford are chucking a good amount at it too. Some similar sized clubs may well go down with us too, such as Gillingham or Lincoln.
Yes, we'll be up there. But if the same people are in charge of spending the budget then I don't think my confidence will be high, sadly.
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Bostock is out of contract this summer, while nobody knows definitively whether Fejiri is or is not - presuming he is still not injured next season.
The club have the option if they wish to take it.
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I see most people are looking at the team that's currently turning out for us, but that's not the team that will be with us next season is it?
but that’s the the thing isn’t it. That means putting faith in our recruitment team, which most just can’t do. This season has been called a rebuild season and it couldn’t have been any more of a failure. Next season is going to be called exactly the same so why would it be different.
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We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from. The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs.
It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.
Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?
We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?
Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own
Bostock, Okinbiri and John are all out of contract this summer arnt they ?
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We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from. The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs.
It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.
Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?
We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?
Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own
Thats assuming they all have n’t got relegation clauses in their contract
They haven't.
We’ve heard before about how hard it is to keep hold of players who don’t want to be here (Marquis, Whiteman). If our better players are desperate to leave (and who could blame them) will it really matter whether they have release clauses or not?
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Bostock and John are out of contract this summer. Fejiri apparently we have an option to extend for a year this summer.
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We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from. The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs.
It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.
Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?
We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?
Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own
Bostock, Okinbiri and John are all out of contract this summer arnt they ?
Get rid of the first 2.
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I think, and many others probably will, we need the signings to start coming in quickly this week. We can't hope to go on the required winning run whilst looking as toothless as we do. I genuinely thought todays line up looked a lot stronger than in previous weeks but the result and performance really highlights how f**ked up against it we are.
Me too, was quite optimistic when I saw the side. Felt more depressed after today than anytime after a football match I can remember, we were just absolutely hopeless. Sounds negative but just plan for next season now, this one has gone. I’m absolutely dreading the next 8 matches.
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We have an option on Bostock to extend for a year. Him and Close with a DM behind them would be the best midfield in League Two. Add a couple decent wingers too.
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We shouldn’t even be thinking of league two when we have a chance to stay up. That would be a cheap doing saying let’s plan for next season. We are in the 2020-21 season we are in a bad position but it isn’t insurmountable.
You will know if the board want to stay up by the actions they take, words mean nothing.
I would be very surprised if they just accept defeat and let us go down.
You have to sign players for now that if it does go wrong still fit in with the squad.
Short term quick fixes are not what we want. There has to be some reasoning behind signing every player. We need a goal scorer, someone to take control of midfield, a dominant centre half and a specialist left back. Also a couple of young players in on loan.
There is a whole month to sign players in January. No excuses if they don’t come in other than we have accepted our fate. We didn’t accept our fate in the championship and I would be surprised if we did this time.
If we haven’t got the money tell us, be honest.
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Wrexham will certainly have a bigger budget than us in League Two if they go up. Surely Salford are chucking a good amount at it too. Some similar sized clubs may well go down with us too, such as Gillingham or Lincoln.
Yes, we'll be up there. But if the same people are in charge of spending the budget then I don't think my confidence will be high, sadly.
Will they though RA? No guarantees of course.
Granted I'll give you Salford, but we have an income stream that will give us that opportunity.
My point is somebody has said in this thread that he predicts that we'll be a mid-table LG2 side for some years yet nobody has yet explained why that would be.
I get the malaise around the current playing squad, but how we can throw that forward for several years is beyond my understanding.
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We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from. The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs.
It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.
Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?
We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?
Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own
Bostock, Okinbiri and John are all out of contract this summer arnt they ?
Get rid of the first 2.
Why?
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There is no way on this earth that Bostock is going to be playing in League Two.
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Wrexham will certainly have a bigger budget than us in League Two if they go up. Surely Salford are chucking a good amount at it too. Some similar sized clubs may well go down with us too, such as Gillingham or Lincoln.
Yes, we'll be up there. But if the same people are in charge of spending the budget then I don't think my confidence will be high, sadly.
Will they though RA? No guarantees of course.
Granted I'll give you Salford, but we have an income stream that will give us that opportunity.
My point is somebody has said in this thread that he predicts that we'll be a mid-table LG2 side for some years yet nobody has yet explained why that would be.
I get the malaise around the current playing squad, but how we can throw that forward for several years is beyond my understanding.
To be fair this year's underperformance doesn't give us much hope going forward that we won't underachieve again.
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I said 10% chance a couple of days ago.
It's a 1% chance now. Any semblance of fight or belief has gone.
We've just gone 135mins without a shot on target against two relegation sides.
Not that it makes the slightest difference but deep in added time Charlie Seaman thrashed a tremendous shot on target which was saved by that annoying time wasting t**t Cairns
Rest of post I agree with and we are imo d.o.w.n for sure
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There is no way on this earth that Bostock is going to be playing in League Two.
Who else is going to take him with his injury/fitness record of late?
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Wrexham will certainly have a bigger budget than us in League Two if they go up. Surely Salford are chucking a good amount at it too. Some similar sized clubs may well go down with us too, such as Gillingham or Lincoln.
Yes, we'll be up there. But if the same people are in charge of spending the budget then I don't think my confidence will be high, sadly.
Will they though RA? No guarantees of course.
Granted I'll give you Salford, but we have an income stream that will give us that opportunity.
My point is somebody has said in this thread that he predicts that we'll be a mid-table LG2 side for some years yet nobody has yet explained why that would be.
I get the malaise around the current playing squad, but how we can throw that forward for several years is beyond my understanding.
To be fair this year's underperformance doesn't give us much hope going forward that we won't underachieve again.
Yes, but this years performance isn't a typical DRFC performance is it. No, its an exception to the norm, but it's certainly nothing like the norm at all.
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Wrexham will certainly have a bigger budget than us in League Two if they go up. Surely Salford are chucking a good amount at it too. Some similar sized clubs may well go down with us too, such as Gillingham or Lincoln.
Yes, we'll be up there. But if the same people are in charge of spending the budget then I don't think my confidence will be high, sadly.
Will they though RA? No guarantees of course.
Granted I'll give you Salford, but we have an income stream that will give us that opportunity.
My point is somebody has said in this thread that he predicts that we'll be a mid-table LG2 side for some years yet nobody has yet explained why that would be.
I get the malaise around the current playing squad, but how we can throw that forward for several years is beyond my understanding.
because this seasons “rebuild” has been so poor. Next seasons is going to be an even greater task and it’s just difficult to trust they’ll get it right
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Wrexham will certainly have a bigger budget than us in League Two if they go up. Surely Salford are chucking a good amount at it too. Some similar sized clubs may well go down with us too, such as Gillingham or Lincoln.
Yes, we'll be up there. But if the same people are in charge of spending the budget then I don't think my confidence will be high, sadly.
Will they though RA? No guarantees of course.
Granted I'll give you Salford, but we have an income stream that will give us that opportunity.
My point is somebody has said in this thread that he predicts that we'll be a mid-table LG2 side for some years yet nobody has yet explained why that would be.
I get the malaise around the current playing squad, but how we can throw that forward for several years is beyond my understanding.
Aye well, we can't say how successful we'll be in future - or otherwise - but I imagine such comments are from fans feeling so pessimistic about the whole club now that they can't see a way forward from it. I don't blame them at this stage.
It's just a shame we're all even accepting League Two in week one of January on the forum tonight.
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We shouldn’t even be thinking of league two when we have a chance to stay up. That would be a cheap doing saying let’s plan for next season. We are in the 2020-21 season we are in a bad position but it isn’t insurmountable.
You will know if the board want to stay up by the actions they take, words mean nothing.
I would be very surprised if they just accept defeat and let us go down.
You have to sign players for now that if it does go wrong still fit in with the squad.
Short term quick fixes are not what we want. There has to be some reasoning behind signing every player. We need a goal scorer, someone to take control of midfield, a dominant centre half and a specialist left back. Also a couple of young players in on loan.
There is a whole month to sign players in January. No excuses if they don’t come in other than we have accepted our fate. We didn’t accept our fate in the championship and I would be surprised if we did this time.
If we haven’t got the money tell us, be honest.
Realistically we needed summat from these last two fixtures. I think it's gone now, there's just too much of a gap to make up. In turn the position the club is in now will make the sort of recruitment we need to see to stay up very difficult.
Better to plan early for what looks inevitable now.
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Wrexham will certainly have a bigger budget than us in League Two if they go up. Surely Salford are chucking a good amount at it too. Some similar sized clubs may well go down with us too, such as Gillingham or Lincoln.
Yes, we'll be up there. But if the same people are in charge of spending the budget then I don't think my confidence will be high, sadly.
Will they though RA? No guarantees of course.
Granted I'll give you Salford, but we have an income stream that will give us that opportunity.
My point is somebody has said in this thread that he predicts that we'll be a mid-table LG2 side for some years yet nobody has yet explained why that would be.
I get the malaise around the current playing squad, but how we can throw that forward for several years is beyond my understanding.
because this seasons “rebuild” has been so poor. Next seasons is going to be an even greater task and it’s just difficult to trust they’ll get it right
I'm going to end up repeating myself here but we have quite a number of decent players who are contracted to us beyond this season. It shouldn't be a total rebuild (If we get relegated that is)
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We shouldn’t even be thinking of league two when we have a chance to stay up. That would be a cheap doing saying let’s plan for next season. We are in the 2020-21 season we are in a bad position but it isn’t insurmountable.
You will know if the board want to stay up by the actions they take, words mean nothing.
I would be very surprised if they just accept defeat and let us go down.
You have to sign players for now that if it does go wrong still fit in with the squad.
Short term quick fixes are not what we want. There has to be some reasoning behind signing every player. We need a goal scorer, someone to take control of midfield, a dominant centre half and a specialist left back. Also a couple of young players in on loan.
There is a whole month to sign players in January. No excuses if they don’t come in other than we have accepted our fate. We didn’t accept our fate in the championship and I would be surprised if we did this time.
If we haven’t got the money tell us, be honest.
Realistically we needed summat from these last two fixtures. I think it's gone now, there's just too much of a gap to make up. In turn the position the club is in now will make the sort of recruitment we need to see to stay up very difficult.
Better to plan early for what looks inevitable now.
That would make recruiting in this window even harder if we were to suggest that we're planning for next season and we expect to be in LG2.
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Wrexham will certainly have a bigger budget than us in League Two if they go up. Surely Salford are chucking a good amount at it too. Some similar sized clubs may well go down with us too, such as Gillingham or Lincoln.
Yes, we'll be up there. But if the same people are in charge of spending the budget then I don't think my confidence will be high, sadly.
Will they though RA? No guarantees of course.
Granted I'll give you Salford, but we have an income stream that will give us that opportunity.
My point is somebody has said in this thread that he predicts that we'll be a mid-table LG2 side for some years yet nobody has yet explained why that would be.
I get the malaise around the current playing squad, but how we can throw that forward for several years is beyond my understanding.
Because the clubs player recruitment is pathetic, for one.
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Wrexham will certainly have a bigger budget than us in League Two if they go up. Surely Salford are chucking a good amount at it too. Some similar sized clubs may well go down with us too, such as Gillingham or Lincoln.
Yes, we'll be up there. But if the same people are in charge of spending the budget then I don't think my confidence will be high, sadly.
Will they though RA? No guarantees of course.
Granted I'll give you Salford, but we have an income stream that will give us that opportunity.
My point is somebody has said in this thread that he predicts that we'll be a mid-table LG2 side for some years yet nobody has yet explained why that would be.
I get the malaise around the current playing squad, but how we can throw that forward for several years is beyond my understanding.
Because the clubs player recruitment is pathetic, for one.
Oh right, my mistake, I'll just go back and correct all the posts I've made.
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SM,
I don't think the club should make any such suggestions but nonetheless work on the assumption that they are building for a good campaign in league two.
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Will the club factor League two into the current January transfers?
I would have thought some loan-to-permenant or even 6 month contracts would have been suitable in our situation but now that makes no sense. Start from a clean slate.
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Any player looking to join us longer than the end of season will know they are going to be playing L2 football next year. They aren’t stupid look at us
Returning to earlier comments it’s completely reasonable to suggest we’ll be in L2 a while. Look at how bad we are and the level of rebuild of football staff on and off the pitch. This will take more than one summer. We’ll need to actually sign players who are decent to achieve anything and there’s nothing recently that’s suggested we will suddenly start that
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Wrexham will certainly have a bigger budget than us in League Two if they go up. Surely Salford are chucking a good amount at it too. Some similar sized clubs may well go down with us too, such as Gillingham or Lincoln.
Yes, we'll be up there. But if the same people are in charge of spending the budget then I don't think my confidence will be high, sadly.
Will they though RA? No guarantees of course.
Granted I'll give you Salford, but we have an income stream that will give us that opportunity.
My point is somebody has said in this thread that he predicts that we'll be a mid-table LG2 side for some years yet nobody has yet explained why that would be.
I get the malaise around the current playing squad, but how we can throw that forward for several years is beyond my understanding.
because this seasons “rebuild” has been so poor. Next seasons is going to be an even greater task and it’s just difficult to trust they’ll get it right
I'm going to end up repeating myself here but we have quite a number of decent players who are contracted to us beyond this season. It shouldn't be a total rebuild (If we get relegated that is)
then I suppose the issue is A) persuading them to stay
B) if they’ve hardly played this season how can we rely on them next season
C) even allowing for the few we do have contracted for next season it’s still going to need some serious recruitment
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Will the club factor League two into the current January transfers?
I would have thought some loan-to-permenant or even 6 month contracts would have been suitable in our situation but now that makes no sense. Start from a clean slate.
Its part of the discussion with respective new recruits. In our position how could it not be? But the major discussions are still about maintaining our LG1 status.
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Wrexham will certainly have a bigger budget than us in League Two if they go up. Surely Salford are chucking a good amount at it too. Some similar sized clubs may well go down with us too, such as Gillingham or Lincoln.
Yes, we'll be up there. But if the same people are in charge of spending the budget then I don't think my confidence will be high, sadly.
Will they though RA? No guarantees of course.
Granted I'll give you Salford, but we have an income stream that will give us that opportunity.
My point is somebody has said in this thread that he predicts that we'll be a mid-table LG2 side for some years yet nobody has yet explained why that would be.
I get the malaise around the current playing squad, but how we can throw that forward for several years is beyond my understanding.
because this seasons “rebuild” has been so poor. Next seasons is going to be an even greater task and it’s just difficult to trust they’ll get it right
I'm going to end up repeating myself here but we have quite a number of decent players who are contracted to us beyond this season. It shouldn't be a total rebuild (If we get relegated that is)
My concern Martin is those contracted players have been part of a losing side now for some time, and some have been injured for large parts. This is not a good basis for a winning side next season. Rovers are missing some key players in key positions, and then they need to gel as a team. Something we have not seen this season, or the back end of last for that matter.
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There is no way on this earth that Bostock is going to be playing in League Two.
I do not want to see anyone near a Rovers shirt next season that is not prepared to walk through a brick wall for the team.
Bostock does not give me the impression he would do that. I do not want to see nancy pansy footballers I want to see blood and guts.
A team spirit, a will to win, a never say die attitude. All the things we do not have this season.
Massive clear out in the summer. Most of this lot are a disgrace. 3 of them I do not know how they can possibly put professional footballer on their CV. Nothing professional out there today. Total sham. A disgrace,
And total insult to the people who spend their hard earned money to go and watch them.
Never been so disheartened after a match as I have been today. We are now officially relegated as there is no way this bunch of players will get another 14 points this season let alone the 32/33 we probably will need.
In fact we could be almost as bad as 97/98 now there is a thought. Yes that bad.
Rant over from one very disillusioned Rovers supporter.
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There is no way on this earth that Bostock is going to be playing in League Two.
I do not want to see anyone near a Rovers shirt next season that is not prepared to walk through a brick wall for the team.
Bostock does not give me the impression he would do that. I do not want to see nancy pansy footballers I want to see blood and guts.
A team spirit, a will to win, a never say die attitude. All the things we do not have this season.
Massive clear out in the summer. Most of this lot are a disgrace. 3 of them I do not know how they can possibly put professional footballer on their CV. Nothing professional out there today. Total sham. A disgrace,
And total insult to the people who spend their hard earned money to go and watch them.
Never been so disheartened after a match as I have been today. We are now officially relegated as there is no way this bunch of players will get another 14 points this season let alone the 32/33 we probably will need.
In fact we could be almost as bad as 97/98 now there is a thought. Yes that bad.
Rant over from one very disillusioned Rovers supporter.
Bostock got his injury making a blood and guts tackle
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Wrexham will certainly have a bigger budget than us in League Two if they go up. Surely Salford are chucking a good amount at it too. Some similar sized clubs may well go down with us too, such as Gillingham or Lincoln.
Yes, we'll be up there. But if the same people are in charge of spending the budget then I don't think my confidence will be high, sadly.
Will they though RA? No guarantees of course.
Granted I'll give you Salford, but we have an income stream that will give us that opportunity.
My point is somebody has said in this thread that he predicts that we'll be a mid-table LG2 side for some years yet nobody has yet explained why that would be.
I get the malaise around the current playing squad, but how we can throw that forward for several years is beyond my understanding.
Because the clubs player recruitment is pathetic, for one.
Oh right, my mistake, I'll just go back and correct all the posts I've made.
Do you think the clubs player recruitment isn’t pathetic, then?
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I am thinking that by mid March we will be mathematically relegated, possibly slightly sooner.
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There is no way on this earth that Bostock is going to be playing in League Two.
I do not want to see anyone near a Rovers shirt next season that is not prepared to walk through a brick wall for the team.
Bostock does not give me the impression he would do that. I do not want to see nancy pansy footballers I want to see blood and guts.
A team spirit, a will to win, a never say die attitude. All the things we do not have this season.
Massive clear out in the summer. Most of this lot are a disgrace. 3 of them I do not know how they can possibly put professional footballer on their CV. Nothing professional out there today. Total sham. A disgrace,
And total insult to the people who spend their hard earned money to go and watch them.
Never been so disheartened after a match as I have been today. We are now officially relegated as there is no way this bunch of players will get another 14 points this season let alone the 32/33 we probably will need.
In fact we could be almost as bad as 97/98 now there is a thought. Yes that bad.
Rant over from one very disillusioned Rovers supporter.
Bostock got his injury making a blood and guts tackle
He did, & in his previous game his stats for breaking up play were the best. I want a blood & guts team aswell if we go down, I would also want a classy midfielder with better players in front if him.
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There is no way on this earth that Bostock is going to be playing in League Two.
I do not want to see anyone near a Rovers shirt next season that is not prepared to walk through a brick wall for the team.
Bostock does not give me the impression he would do that. I do not want to see nancy pansy footballers I want to see blood and guts.
A team spirit, a will to win, a never say die attitude. All the things we do not have this season.
Massive clear out in the summer. Most of this lot are a disgrace. 3 of them I do not know how they can possibly put professional footballer on their CV. Nothing professional out there today. Total sham. A disgrace,
And total insult to the people who spend their hard earned money to go and watch them.
Never been so disheartened after a match as I have been today. We are now officially relegated as there is no way this bunch of players will get another 14 points this season let alone the 32/33 we probably will need.
In fact we could be almost as bad as 97/98 now there is a thought. Yes that bad.
Rant over from one very disillusioned Rovers supporter.
Bostock got his injury making a blood and guts tackle
He is a waste of space in a team fighting for its league status. Might be ok with the right players around him as a luxury player in a winning team.
I would not want him in the trenches with me. Made about 3/4 tackles all season.
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Every signing you make is a risk, you can give a contract out and a player that you thought would do it for you, starts coasting and not working hard.
Homework has to be done on character of the player, opinion’s sought on whether he will fit into your squad. More than anything we need hard work but we also need ability. January isn’t the best month to do business but our club is in this position.
Without changes we are definitely going to go down. I have the feeling that the injury room right now is getting pressure put onto get fit players out of there.
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There is no way on this earth that Bostock is going to be playing in League Two.
I do not want to see anyone near a Rovers shirt next season that is not prepared to walk through a brick wall for the team.
Bostock does not give me the impression he would do that. I do not want to see nancy pansy footballers I want to see blood and guts.
A team spirit, a will to win, a never say die attitude. All the things we do not have this season.
Massive clear out in the summer. Most of this lot are a disgrace. 3 of them I do not know how they can possibly put professional footballer on their CV. Nothing professional out there today. Total sham. A disgrace,
And total insult to the people who spend their hard earned money to go and watch them.
Never been so disheartened after a match as I have been today. We are now officially relegated as there is no way this bunch of players will get another 14 points this season let alone the 32/33 we probably will need.
In fact we could be almost as bad as 97/98 now there is a thought. Yes that bad.
Rant over from one very disillusioned Rovers supporter.
Bostock got his injury making a blood and guts tackle
He is a waste of space in a team fighting for its league status. Might be ok with the right players around him as a luxury player in a winning team.
I would not want him in the trenches with me. Made about 3/4 tackles all season.
He’s the only player in the squad that can retain possession, the rest just lump it up in a panic
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Wrexham will certainly have a bigger budget than us in League Two if they go up. Surely Salford are chucking a good amount at it too. Some similar sized clubs may well go down with us too, such as Gillingham or Lincoln.
Yes, we'll be up there. But if the same people are in charge of spending the budget then I don't think my confidence will be high, sadly.
Will they though RA? No guarantees of course.
Granted I'll give you Salford, but we have an income stream that will give us that opportunity.
My point is somebody has said in this thread that he predicts that we'll be a mid-table LG2 side for some years yet nobody has yet explained why that would be.
I get the malaise around the current playing squad, but how we can throw that forward for several years is beyond my understanding.
because this seasons “rebuild” has been so poor. Next seasons is going to be an even greater task and it’s just difficult to trust they’ll get it right
I'm going to end up repeating myself here but we have quite a number of decent players who are contracted to us beyond this season. It shouldn't be a total rebuild (If we get relegated that is)
with the greatest of respect, having a number of players in contract next season is really no good thing. The players we have are horrid. Awful. Even the injured ones that we keep telling ourselves are going to come out of the treatment room and ride to our rescue are ordinary at best. Let’s not forget, they were part of last seasons capitulation. I wouldn’t shed a tear if we got rid of the lot.
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There is no way on this earth that Bostock is going to be playing in League Two.
I do not want to see anyone near a Rovers shirt next season that is not prepared to walk through a brick wall for the team.
Bostock does not give me the impression he would do that. I do not want to see nancy pansy footballers I want to see blood and guts.
A team spirit, a will to win, a never say die attitude. All the things we do not have this season.
Massive clear out in the summer. Most of this lot are a disgrace. 3 of them I do not know how they can possibly put professional footballer on their CV. Nothing professional out there today. Total sham. A disgrace,
And total insult to the people who spend their hard earned money to go and watch them.
Never been so disheartened after a match as I have been today. We are now officially relegated as there is no way this bunch of players will get another 14 points this season let alone the 32/33 we probably will need.
In fact we could be almost as bad as 97/98 now there is a thought. Yes that bad.
Rant over from one very disillusioned Rovers supporter.
Bostock got his injury making a blood and guts tackle
He is a waste of space in a team fighting for its league status. Might be ok with the right players around him as a luxury player in a winning team.
I would not want him in the trenches with me. Made about 3/4 tackles all season.
He’s the only player in the squad that can retain possession, the rest just lump it up in a panic
Filo he is a luxury.
Not been fully fit for us since he signed. Incapable of playing 3/4 consecutive games. Now injured long term.
My opinion differs to yours and many others on Bostock.
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Love to see Aaron Morley from Rochdale, they’ve had two bids accepted for two players left out of their latest squad. Jake Beesley and Morley left out of squad. Beesley thought to be going to Blackpool.
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We’ve 22 games to go,
Nonsense to suggest the season is over
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22 games to go but the performances are getting worse, if we cant beat Morecambe and Fleetwood in relegation 6 pointers we ain't a chance in this next run of games. I think by time this next run of games are over we will be at least 18 points adrift.
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We’ve 22 games to go,
Nonsense to suggest the season is over
Have you even looked at our next 6 fixtures. If you are so confident, you tell us where any points in those games come from? This from a team that just squandered a 3-0 lead at half time against a relegation rival and who could only muster 1 shot on target in 90mins against fleetwood f**king town. You are just trying to be different, aren’t you?
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There is no way on this earth that Bostock is going to be playing in League Two.
I do not want to see anyone near a Rovers shirt next season that is not prepared to walk through a brick wall for the team.
Bostock does not give me the impression he would do that. I do not want to see nancy pansy footballers I want to see blood and guts.
A team spirit, a will to win, a never say die attitude. All the things we do not have this season.
Massive clear out in the summer. Most of this lot are a disgrace. 3 of them I do not know how they can possibly put professional footballer on their CV. Nothing professional out there today. Total sham. A disgrace,
And total insult to the people who spend their hard earned money to go and watch them.
Never been so disheartened after a match as I have been today. We are now officially relegated as there is no way this bunch of players will get another 14 points this season let alone the 32/33 we probably will need.
In fact we could be almost as bad as 97/98 now there is a thought. Yes that bad.
Rant over from one very disillusioned Rovers supporter.
Bostock got his injury making a blood and guts tackle
He is a waste of space in a team fighting for its league status. Might be ok with the right players around him as a luxury player in a winning team.
I would not want him in the trenches with me. Made about 3/4 tackles all season.
He’s the only player in the squad that can retain possession, the rest just lump it up in a panic
Filo he is a luxury.
Not been fully fit for us since he signed. Incapable of playing 3/4 consecutive games. Now injured long term.
My opinion differs to yours and many others on Bostock.
My opinion is he is our best midfielder, ran the show first half at Hillsborough, our best player at home to MK Don's, played really well v Pompey, he just needs to have better players around him. To say he has made around 3 or 4 tackles all season is just silly.
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Bostock is technically on a different planet to most of the players in this squad. It isn’t his fault he has to play with carthorses. If we had the foresight to put the right players around him, he’d be up there with the best midfielder players in this league
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Bostock is technically on a different planet to most of the players in this squad. It isn’t his fault he has to play with carthorses. If we had the foresight to put the right players around him, he’d be up there with the best midfielder players in this league
spot on.
I remember Gerry Daly suffered in the same way when he played for us.
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Bostock is technically on a different planet to most of the players in this squad. It isn’t his fault he has to play with carthorses. If we had the foresight to put the right players around him, he’d be up there with the best midfielder players in this league
agree 100%, no coincidence either that Galbraiths performance levels have dropped off since Bostocks injury as he allowed Galbraith to go further forward whereas now he’s having to do bostocks job and dictate the play from deep.
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It’s not what he can’t do, you concentrate on what he can do. He is a good passer of the ball, his technique is in another league to our other players. You get players around him to get him the ball.
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We’ve 22 games to go,
Nonsense to suggest the season is over
Have you even looked at our next 6 fixtures. If you are so confident, you tell us where any points in those games come from? This from a team that just squandered a 3-0 lead at half time against a relegation rival and who could only muster 1 shot on target in 90mins against fleetwood f**king town. You are just trying to be different, aren’t you?
Whether I’m confident or not is irrelevent, I’m stating the fact that there’s 22 games to go, and nobody knows how the season will pan out with new signings and players returning.
So instead of trying to predict what’s going to happen why not just get behind them and see where we end up
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We’ve 22 games to go,
Nonsense to suggest the season is over
Have you even looked at our next 6 fixtures. If you are so confident, you tell us where any points in those games come from? This from a team that just squandered a 3-0 lead at half time against a relegation rival and who could only muster 1 shot on target in 90mins against fleetwood f**king town. You are just trying to be different, aren’t you?
Whether I’m confident or not is irrelevent, I’m stating the fact that there’s 22 games to go, and nobody knows how the season will pan out with new signings and players returning.
So instead of trying to predict what’s going to happen why not just get behind them and see where we end up
With all due respect dickos, you’re predicting we’re going to stay up.
The majority of forum posters are behind the team & IF a miracle happens & we are able to bring in players that are able to hit the ground running, can galvanise this squad of underachiever’s (I’m being as kind as I can here) & we are able to ‘scramble over the line’, brilliant.
You’re right, we have 22 games & 66 points to play for but again with respect you/we don’t know what players GM has ‘lined up’ therefore we won’t truly know until we’ve seen them in action over the next half a dozen games, starting with high flying Wigan on Saturday, now wouldn’t an unlikely win on Saturday be a great start however, we’d need to follow that up with an away point at MK Dons & two more home victories against Plymouth & Rotherham to REALLY have any hope or sense of a ‘revival’.
That’s as optimistic as I can make it.
Another loss on Saturday & away at MKD followed by a meagre 1 point from our two home games coupled with continued poor performances & I think even you would have to throw the towel in regarding Lg1 survival.
That’s not to say we don’t continue to support the team & more importantly the club, we just do so with an eye on next season.
There’s nothing wrong with blind faith dickos, but there’s a heck of a lot of ifs, buts & maybe’s in there.
Never the less, I salute you.
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Im with Dickos - we might not have the best team/squad we have ever had but we have to help them get through it, and who knows. At the moment there is a large group not helping, and I understand their frustration, but it is not helping anyone.
Back the club, the team and each player, and lets see where some positivity gets us.
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Going back to Bostock, good footballers should never be seen as a luxury. Get eleven of them and you have a chance.
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Bostock is technically on a different planet to most of the players in this squad. It isn’t his fault he has to play with carthorses. If we had the foresight to put the right players around him, he’d be up there with the best midfielder players in this league
I don’t think he’s available again until March therefore we need players now to hopefully get points on the board so when he is fit he can use his skills I believe further forward to have the push at the last games of the season.
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Half of our remaining games take place over the next six and a bit weeks. There is no way we are going to have many let alone all our injured players back, and it is not clear we will be signing all our new players until the later part of the window.
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I think we're still in with a chance :chair:
Gillingham & Crewe are as bad as us and are skint.
At least we're going to throw some cash at the problem.
Granted Morecombe look like they are suited to a scrap at the bottom so could pull away.
Fleetwood not so sure. Hard to judge them cos we were so bad.
Wimbledon going to struggle.
Bolton in free fall, there's always one team that plunges down from mid table.
Obviously they all have a massive advantage but I'm not going to throw the towel in until 01/Feb.
We just need that first signing to give us a boost, then one win and we'll all start believing again :scarf:
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Could do with a few going into administration
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I think we're still in with a chance :chair:
Gillingham & Crewe are as bad as us and are skint.
At least we're going to throw some cash at the problem.
Granted Morecombe look like they are suited to a scrap at the bottom so could pull away.
Fleetwood not so sure. Hard to judge them cos we were so bad.
Wimbledon going to struggle.
Bolton in free fall, there's always one team that plunges down from mid table.
Obviously they all have a massive advantage but I'm not going to throw the towel in until 01/Feb.
We just need that first signing to give us a boost, then one win and we'll all start believing again :scarf:
We got that win against Shrewsbury and then look what happened. This lot have not got it in them.
Never seen so much dead wood in one squad.
They are either injured, simply not good enough or not bothered. Mixture of all three.
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A case in point is Fleetwood, currently in the final safety place, and who we are ultimately targeting. We have both played 24 games and they are 9 points and 22 goals better off than us. In fact, they have scored 37 goals to our 16 goals.
We also have to play them away, on 19 March. We have never beaten them at their place, ever. Our historic record away at Fleetwood is P6, W0, D2, L4. In fact, we have only ever scored three goals away at Fleetwood. We have no hope of winning there.
Putting all this together, we have absolutely zero chance of catching Fleetwood, the side in the final safety position at present.
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We’ve 22 games to go,
Nonsense to suggest the season is over
Have you even looked at our next 6 fixtures. If you are so confident, you tell us where any points in those games come from? This from a team that just squandered a 3-0 lead at half time against a relegation rival and who could only muster 1 shot on target in 90mins against fleetwood f**king town. You are just trying to be different, aren’t you?
Whether I’m confident or not is irrelevent, I’m stating the fact that there’s 22 games to go, and nobody knows how the season will pan out with new signings and players returning.
So instead of trying to predict what’s going to happen why not just get behind them and see where we end up
With all due respect dickos, you’re predicting we’re going to stay up.
The majority of forum posters are behind the team & IF a miracle happens & we are able to bring in players that are able to hit the ground running, can galvanise this squad of underachiever’s (I’m being as kind as I can here) & we are able to ‘scramble over the line’, brilliant.
You’re right, we have 22 games & 66 points to play for but again with respect you/we don’t know what players GM has ‘lined up’ therefore we won’t truly know until we’ve seen them in action over the next half a dozen games, starting with high flying Wigan on Saturday, now wouldn’t an unlikely win on Saturday be a great start however, we’d need to follow that up with an away point at MK Dons & two more home victories against Plymouth & Rotherham to REALLY have any hope or sense of a ‘revival’.
That’s as optimistic as I can make it.
Another loss on Saturday & away at MKD followed by a meagre 1 point from our two home games coupled with continued poor performances & I think even you would have to throw the towel in regarding Lg1 survival.
That’s not to say we don’t continue to support the team & more importantly the club, we just do so with an eye on next season.
There’s nothing wrong with blind faith dickos, but there’s a heck of a lot of ifs, buts & maybe’s in there.
Never the less, I salute you.
Where have I predicted we will stay up? I’m suggesting that to write a season off with 22 games to go is ridiculous
I’ve not predicted anything
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To put all this in perspective, Lincoln were until last night on the same points as Fleetwood in the last safety place at 25 points. They went away to Sunderland and won 3-1. Yes, Sunderland had a sending off but Lincoln were already 1-0 before that. There is no way we would have been anywhere near able to relocate that, even with some quality additions (which we don’t yet have). Other clubs are simply better positioned mentally to stay up and have the fight. Our lads are shot, too much has happened already.
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To put all this in perspective, Lincoln were until last night on the same points as Fleetwood in the last safety place at 25 points. They went away to Sunderland and won 3-1. Yes, Sunderland had a sending off but Lincoln were already 1-0 before that. There is no way we would have been anywhere near able to relocate that, even with some quality additions (which we don’t yet have). Other clubs are simply better positioned mentally to stay up and have the fight. Our lads are shot, too much has happened already.
There is still hope with some additions though, it's not a write off totally. About 90% there but still that little chance.
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Not great for us Lincoln winning at Sunderland and also Crewe winning the other night. AFC Wimbledon have been dragged down into it but they have 2 games in hand i think?
To not get at least 3 points from either the Morecambe or Fleetwood games was the killer blow for me.
We are 10 points off safety with the next 6/7 games coming up where i would not be confident of even getting a point from those games. Then it is a case of how much further can the rest pull away from us in the space of those 6/7 games.
Come mid february we'll either be down or somehow have managed to hang onto the coat tails of those above by managing to somehow nick a couple of wins against sides that are in the top 8.
If we don't win 2 of our next 4 at least, then i have to relinquish what little hope i have left of survival.
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We’ve 22 games to go,
Nonsense to suggest the season is over
Have you even looked at our next 6 fixtures. If you are so confident, you tell us where any points in those games come from? This from a team that just squandered a 3-0 lead at half time against a relegation rival and who could only muster 1 shot on target in 90mins against fleetwood f**king town. You are just trying to be different, aren’t you?
Whether I’m confident or not is irrelevent, I’m stating the fact that there’s 22 games to go, and nobody knows how the season will pan out with new signings and players returning.
So instead of trying to predict what’s going to happen why not just get behind them and see where we end up
With all due respect dickos, you’re predicting we’re going to stay up.
The majority of forum posters are behind the team & IF a miracle happens & we are able to bring in players that are able to hit the ground running, can galvanise this squad of underachiever’s (I’m being as kind as I can here) & we are able to ‘scramble over the line’, brilliant.
You’re right, we have 22 games & 66 points to play for but again with respect you/we don’t know what players GM has ‘lined up’ therefore we won’t truly know until we’ve seen them in action over the next half a dozen games, starting with high flying Wigan on Saturday, now wouldn’t an unlikely win on Saturday be a great start however, we’d need to follow that up with an away point at MK Dons & two more home victories against Plymouth & Rotherham to REALLY have any hope or sense of a ‘revival’.
That’s as optimistic as I can make it.
Another loss on Saturday & away at MKD followed by a meagre 1 point from our two home games coupled with continued poor performances & I think even you would have to throw the towel in regarding Lg1 survival.
That’s not to say we don’t continue to support the team & more importantly the club, we just do so with an eye on next season.
There’s nothing wrong with blind faith dickos, but there’s a heck of a lot of ifs, buts & maybe’s in there.
Never the less, I salute you.
Where have I predicted we will stay up? I’m suggesting that to write a season off with 22 games to go is ridiculous
I’ve not predicted anything
I interpreted your continued reminder that there were still 22 games to play for as your way of saying you believed we could/would still stay up.
I stand corrected for wrongly second guessing your ‘motives’ in reminding all & sundry how many games we still had to play.
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We will stay up if we get the right players in. We need experience and a fresh injection of youthful enthusiasm with quality .
Agard ……, ……,……,……,…..
Dahlberg, Cukur, Faulkner(L)
By this time I thought we would have at least two or three in.
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We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from. The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs.
It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.
Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?
We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?
Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own
Budgets change though. Like how our budget supposedly went from top 6 to 14th over time...
Strangely enough I was sat in a supporters board meeting this morning and we went through the contingencies. If we do end up in LG2 we'll be fine with the current revenue streams.
Mmmm,does that mean the board would be happier when we are in league 2? Would we be at break even point financially?
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We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from. The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs.
It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.
Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?
We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?
Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own
Budgets change though. Like how our budget supposedly went from top 6 to 14th over time...
Strangely enough I was sat in a supporters board meeting this morning and we went through the contingencies. If we do end up in LG2 we'll be fine with the current revenue streams.
Mmmm,does that mean the board would be happier when we are in league 2? Would we be at break even point financially?
No it doesn’t mean that at all.
I find the reasoning behind this question really odd. The simple answer is that it’s harder to balance the books in LG2 than it is on LG1 for a whole host of reasons.
The other question you have to ask is why would somebody sink many millions into a football club just so they can relegate it to the lowest division in order to save a few quid? If that was the case there’s dozens of easier ways of doing it than the way it’s currently playing out.
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We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from. The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs.
It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.
Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?
We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?
Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own
Budgets change though. Like how our budget supposedly went from top 6 to 14th over time...
Strangely enough I was sat in a supporters board meeting this morning and we went through the contingencies. If we do end up in LG2 we'll be fine with the current revenue streams.
Mmmm,does that mean the board would be happier when we are in league 2? Would we be at break even point financially?
No it doesn’t mean that at all.
I find the reasoning behind this question really odd. The simple answer is that it’s harder to balance the books in LG2 than it is on LG1 for a whole host of reasons.
The other question you have to ask is why would somebody sink many millions into a football club just so they can relegate it to the lowest division in order to save a few quid? If that was the case there’s dozens of easier ways of doing it than the way it’s currently playing out.
Because they,understandably, no longer want too sink millions into the club,and the aim is now,to make us self sustainable,so if we find ourselfs getting relegated,despite having a mid table budget,its may bring a silver lining of making self sustanability more achievable.
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We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from. The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs.
It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.
Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?
We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?
Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own
Budgets change though. Like how our budget supposedly went from top 6 to 14th over time...
Strangely enough I was sat in a supporters board meeting this morning and we went through the contingencies. If we do end up in LG2 we'll be fine with the current revenue streams.
Mmmm,does that mean the board would be happier when we are in league 2? Would we be at break even point financially?
No it doesn’t mean that at all.
I find the reasoning behind this question really odd. The simple answer is that it’s harder to balance the books in LG2 than it is on LG1 for a whole host of reasons.
The other question you have to ask is why would somebody sink many millions into a football club just so they can relegate it to the lowest division in order to save a few quid? If that was the case there’s dozens of easier ways of doing it than the way it’s currently playing out.
Im not saying your wrong,and I am genuinely willing to learn,can you explain the host of reasons its harder to balance the books in league two?I've always been under the impression the higher the league system you go the harder it is,except maybe under circumstances like parachute payments or having a higher wage bill than average after relegation,But because we have wage reduction clauses we should be affected much by them?
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We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from. The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs.
It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.
Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?
We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?
Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own
Budgets change though. Like how our budget supposedly went from top 6 to 14th over time...
Strangely enough I was sat in a supporters board meeting this morning and we went through the contingencies. If we do end up in LG2 we'll be fine with the current revenue streams.
Mmmm,does that mean the board would be happier when we are in league 2? Would we be at break even point financially?
No it doesn’t mean that at all.
I find the reasoning behind this question really odd. The simple answer is that it’s harder to balance the books in LG2 than it is on LG1 for a whole host of reasons.
The other question you have to ask is why would somebody sink many millions into a football club just so they can relegate it to the lowest division in order to save a few quid? If that was the case there’s dozens of easier ways of doing it than the way it’s currently playing out.
Because they,understandably, no longer want too sink millions into the club,and the aim is now,to make us self sustainable,so if we find ourselfs getting relegated,despite having a mid table budget,its may bring a silver lining of making self sustanability more achievable.
You make less money in a lower division so it is therefore harder to be sustainable or turn profits. You may spend less money but the amount that you make is so much less that this notion is not viable.
I don't know why anyone actually thinks the club would actively try to be unsuccessful. Bramall would just sell to the first person he could find and wash his hands of it if that was the case, as the likes of Barry Hearn did with their EFL clubs in years past.
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We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from. The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs.
It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.
Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?
We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?
Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own
Budgets change though. Like how our budget supposedly went from top 6 to 14th over time...
Strangely enough I was sat in a supporters board meeting this morning and we went through the contingencies. If we do end up in LG2 we'll be fine with the current revenue streams.
Mmmm,does that mean the board would be happier when we are in league 2? Would we be at break even point financially?
No it doesn’t mean that at all.
I find the reasoning behind this question really odd. The simple answer is that it’s harder to balance the books in LG2 than it is on LG1 for a whole host of reasons.
The other question you have to ask is why would somebody sink many millions into a football club just so they can relegate it to the lowest division in order to save a few quid? If that was the case there’s dozens of easier ways of doing it than the way it’s currently playing out.
Because they,understandably, no longer want too sink millions into the club,and the aim is now,to make us self sustainable,so if we find ourselfs getting relegated,despite having a mid table budget,its may bring a silver lining of making self sustanability more achievable.
You make less money in a lower division so it is therefore harder to be sustainable or turn profits. You may spend less money but the amount that you make is so much less that this notion is not viable.
I don't know why anyone actually thinks the club would actively try to be unsuccessful. Bramall would just sell to the first person he could find and wash his hands of it if that was the case, as the likes of Barry Hearn did with their EFL clubs in years past.
That don't convince me,bit vague saying you make less and drop in expenses isnt as big.
I never said I thinks the club would actively try to be unsuccessful!!! What I was thinking is,I wonder if the Board would find it easier to achieve their aim and balance the books at league two level.
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The only expenditure that will go down is player wages and that won't be by that much really. All costs relating to running the stadium and a professional team remain the same. The cost of having the academy remains the same.
Our income will drop way more than any saving on player wages through lower crowds, lower sponsorships, lower TV etc etc
Given the level of fixed cost that is the same no matter what league we're in it is obviously more sustainable to be in a higher league.
Also we persist with the academy which has mixed results (although improving i guess) this will cost a fair bit. If the owners were so keen to just be sustainable i guarantee that would be the 1st thing to go. Way before relegation which reduces income and therefore makes it harder to be sustainable.
Honestly this theory the board want us in L2 has no logic. Please stop believing it.
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It absolutely baffles me that the statement 'massively reducing our income will not help us save money/become more sustainable' is so difficult for some people to accept.
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Some people are absolutely bonkers with the reasoning why. I really don't get some supporters. If this is the state of our adult population we're doomed, i tell thee doomed :headbang:
Seems we live in a conspiracy world now. If you didn't laugh you would cry.
:crying: :crying:
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Plenty of folk on this thread stated it was impossible to stay up.
It was ridiculous to right off a season with 22 games to go, we might not make it but I think it’s going to go down to the wire.
Last 6 games we’ve got 9 points, continue with this form and we will get 45 points, that could be enough.
If it was 1% chance of happening back then billy what % is it now?
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Just thought id revisit this thread
Some really interesting comments on here.
If you have time have a scroll through.
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Goodness me. Just over a year ago.
We could probably keep this thread on ice and just regurgitate it in another year, save the typing. It will paint the same picture I suspect, unless there is big change at the club.
If you wanted to present a business case to the board about how bad things have gotten since Jan 2022, you only have to show them this thread. All the talk about Bostock, John, okin etc. all gone.
Crambys comment striking a particularly insightful and currently relevant thread some time ago.
“with the greatest of respect, having a number of players in contract next season is really no good thing. The players we have are horrid. Awful. Even the injured ones that we keep telling ourselves are going to come out of the treatment room and ride to our rescue are ordinary at best. Let’s not forget, they were part of last seasons capitulation. I wouldn’t shed a tear if we got rid of the lot.”
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Plenty of folk on this thread stated it was impossible to stay up.
It was ridiculous to right off a season with 22 games to go, we might not make it but I think it’s going to go down to the wire.
Last 6 games we’ve got 9 points, continue with this form and we will get 45 points, that could be enough.
If it was 1% chance of happening back then billy what % is it now?
This didn’t happen in the end.
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There is no way on this earth that Bostock is going to be playing in League Two.
Visionary!
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Is Boston’s playing anywhere?
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I predict we're going to be a midtable league 2 team for some years.
Based on what exactly?
Errrm.
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Is Boston’s playing anywhere?
notts county