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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: ColinDouglasHandshake on February 07, 2022, 10:38:27 pm
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Video surfacing of him chasing his cat around, hitting it, kicking it and laughing. Piece of shit. Hope he dies. Hate animal cruelty. Sack the dirty bas**rd West Ham if you have any decency. Scum of the earth.
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Absolutely disgusting. Made me feel sick. He's now at West Ham (as if that matters). I can't imagine David Moyes standing for this shit.
He wants locking up for that.
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Here’s a thing you may not know.
If you run a dog over whilst driving a car, the law states you should report it to the police.
Cats are not recognised by the same law though.
This is not condoning violence to cats btw.
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SORRY - says Zouma
AGAIN imo for getting caught / exposed
Familiar pattern these days - get rid of him WHU
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West Ham should, but won’t sack him in the same way the women caught kicking a horse was. Maybe it’s because he’s a footballer and not a teacher that he won’t get sacked
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What a total w**ker Zouma is.
He even has his kid abusing the cat.
Surely he should be prosecuted and banned from keeping animals.
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The rspca would be the prosecuting agency in this matter.
Don’t hold your breath.
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Who was filming by the way.
I didn’t hear anyone protesting so they must have been happy for it to happen.
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The rspca would be the prosecuting agency in this matter.
Don’t hold your breath.
RSPCA is a charity with a set amount of resources, therefore it has to be selective about which cases it proceeds with and what the likely outcome would be of a conviction. A conviction in this case from experience would be a ban from keeping animals (which isn't enforceable) and a fine.
Funny how i tar the NHS and Police with same brush for being useless and get put right by people who have worked in the NHS or Police but yet you are doing the same thing here with the RSPCA.
Having worked for the RSPCA for about 15 years and knowing some amazing people, including inspectors - this is one area where i can say that i know best. :)
The only issue with the RSPCA, like with the NHS is bloated and poor management and wasting of resources at the top level. The animal care staff and inspectors and collection officers by and large are fantastic.
Also. Most people don't know that most RSPCA shelters do not get given any funding by the RSPCA. So for example Bawtry is technically a private charity that uses the RSPCA name and therefore the RSPCA can use their facilities. The RSPCA doesn't give RSPCA Bawtry any money at all as it is branch run and therefore a separate entity. Most centres in the UK are branch run and generate all their own money without any help from HQ.
I worked at HQ owned RSPCA shelter and the difference is amazing and you can tell where the money goes.
In contrast, anyone who ever visited the old RSPCA Sheffield on Spring Street, one of the centres i used to work at, will see just how little money and resources they had to work with.
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The way he played against Kidderminster at the weekend, I'm surprised he managed to make contact with the cat when he swung his foot at it.
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Interesting CDH
I often donate petfood to the RSPCA centre in York. Would that be independently funded too?
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Interesting CDH
I often donate petfood to the RSPCA centre in York. Would that be independently funded too?
Yes. York is a place i know well. Just before the bridge at Clifton. I've been there many times to help out and drop animals off. Ruth was manager last time i went but that was a few years ago now.
York and District RSPCA is branch run and has to generate all its own revenue. The only revenues that branches can get from RSPCA HQ as far as i'm aware are grants for improvements to centres and also HQ pay individual shelters boarding fees if the Inspectors / Collection Officers have to seize animals or collect wildlife and board them in centres.
The Inspectors and Collection Officers are employed by HQ and cover specific geographical areas, but use Branch run facilities as a matter of course. Any animals that the Inspectors / Collection Officers board at the centre, the branch centre receives money for.
It is a weird set up and most people think that all RSPCA shelters are swimming in cash, when in fact most are struggling with the same pressures as most charities as they don't get the funding from the main RSPCA HQ. Who ARE swimming in cash but constantly spaff it up the wall IMO.
Not sure what the situation is now but we used to have to ask people to write donations by cheque out to the specific branch because if they just put RSPCA, that cheque and money would go to central coffers and not to the local branch they had wanted it to go to in the first place.
So if someone wanted to donate £100 to York RSPCA by cheque, if they didn't put York RSPCA on the cheque and just put RSPCA, then York would see none of it. Sad because a lot of cheques came through the post with just RSPCA on it and couldn't be changed.
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The rspca would be the prosecuting agency in this matter.
Don’t hold your breath.
RSPCA is a charity with a set amount of resources, therefore it has to be selective about which cases it proceeds with and what the likely outcome would be of a conviction. A conviction in this case from experience would be a ban from keeping animals (which isn't enforceable) and a fine.
Funny how i tar the NHS and Police with same brush for being useless and get put right by people who have worked in the NHS or Police but yet you are doing the same thing here with the RSPCA.
Having worked for the RSPCA for about 15 years and knowing some amazing people, including inspectors - this is one area where i can say that i know best. :)
The only issue with the RSPCA, like with the NHS is bloated and poor management and wasting of resources at the top level. The animal care staff and inspectors and collection officers by and large are fantastic.
Also. Most people don't know that most RSPCA shelters do not get given any funding by the RSPCA. So for example Bawtry is technically a private charity that uses the RSPCA name and therefore the RSPCA can use their facilities. The RSPCA doesn't give RSPCA Bawtry any money at all as it is branch run and therefore a separate entity. Most centres in the UK are branch run and generate all their own money without any help from HQ.
I worked at HQ owned RSPCA shelter and the difference is amazing and you can tell where the money goes.
In contrast, anyone who ever visited the old RSPCA Sheffield on Spring Street, one of the centres i used to work at, will see just how little money and resources they had to work with.
Don’t assume my comment to be a slur. I have worked on a number of joint agency jobs with the rspca, puppy farms etc, excessive pet ownership/ neglect.
My comment about “don’t hold breath” is that they don’t have the resources to deal with many areas of animal cruelty, so much so, that most offences go un investigated and un detected.
Puppy farms is an example in case. New laws were brought out about having have a licence yet there are many many people out there still profiting from the sale of popular fashion pets such as french bulldogs etc.
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The rspca would be the prosecuting agency in this matter.
Don’t hold your breath.
RSPCA is a charity with a set amount of resources, therefore it has to be selective about which cases it proceeds with and what the likely outcome would be of a conviction. A conviction in this case from experience would be a ban from keeping animals (which isn't enforceable) and a fine.
Funny how i tar the NHS and Police with same brush for being useless and get put right by people who have worked in the NHS or Police but yet you are doing the same thing here with the RSPCA.
Having worked for the RSPCA for about 15 years and knowing some amazing people, including inspectors - this is one area where i can say that i know best. :)
The only issue with the RSPCA, like with the NHS is bloated and poor management and wasting of resources at the top level. The animal care staff and inspectors and collection officers by and large are fantastic.
Also. Most people don't know that most RSPCA shelters do not get given any funding by the RSPCA. So for example Bawtry is technically a private charity that uses the RSPCA name and therefore the RSPCA can use their facilities. The RSPCA doesn't give RSPCA Bawtry any money at all as it is branch run and therefore a separate entity. Most centres in the UK are branch run and generate all their own money without any help from HQ.
I worked at HQ owned RSPCA shelter and the difference is amazing and you can tell where the money goes.
In contrast, anyone who ever visited the old RSPCA Sheffield on Spring Street, one of the centres i used to work at, will see just how little money and resources they had to work with.
Don’t assume my comment to be a slur. I have worked on a number of joint agency jobs with the rspca, puppy farms etc, excessive pet ownership/ neglect.
My comment about “don’t hold breath” is that they don’t have the resources to deal with many areas of animal cruelty, so much so, that most offences go un investigated and un detected.
Puppy farms is an example in case. New laws were brought out about having have a licence yet there are many many people out there still profiting from the sale of popular fashion pets such as french bulldogs etc.
Yep. No probs NR.
The issue with puppy farms are the dumb tw*ts perpetuating them by buying puppies from breeders. All breeders are doing is making money out of animal abuse.
The issue with animal cruelty cases is the sentencing is too weak and unenforceable. I've seen some horrendous sights, had to assist in the euthanasia of some beautiful dogs simply because of the way they had been treated or raised.
There was one case where some terriers were seized because they were used in badger baiting. They had to be kept in kennels for nearly 3 years, which isn't the best environment for their wellbeing and stress levels. The sad thing was that under the law they could never be rehomed due to their history of ripping other animals to shreds and they were always going to have to be put to sleep.
However, the defendant kept stalling and not turning up to court hearings and cancelling hearings and refuting allegations and drew it out for as long as they could. Meanwhile, these poor dogs, who were beautiful, friendly to humans animals which i had doted on for 3 years and did as much as i could had to stay in this stressful environment for 3 years and eventually, when the case was brought , the dogs were ordered to be destroyed anyway.
Euthanasia is horrible, especially when you are present but the most humane thing for these dogs was to euthanise them straight away instead of making them spend 3 years inside rescue kennels, which are very, very stressful environments for dogs.
I cried for weeks about that and i'm a big meathead of a bloke. If Kurt Zouma had a heart attack today and died. I'd crack open a bottle and celebrate. After getting home from the Ipswich game obviously.
Yep, some real pieces of shit out there.
Thing is if someone gets a ban for 5 years from keeping animals. They just go and get more animals and nobody knows because they aren't checked. So it's pointless. Any fines will be paid in weekly instalments of 50p.
There really is no deterrent as prison sentences are rarely given for animal cruelty.
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You get dumb asses who buy Akita or Husky pups because they are lovely, fluffy and cute and then a year or so down the line, these pups are now f**king huge and because these thickos know nothing about dogs or dog behaviour, these dogs now have significant behavioural issues that they don't know how to deal with.
Then the phone call comes to animal rescue charities:
'Hi. I've got this Japanese Akita and it has started growling at my little kid and ripping the furniture up and barking at home when we leave it for 10 hours a day - can you take it off us because we are that f**king stupid and we should have been forced to undertake a dog behaviour course BEFORE adopting a puppy because we have no brain cells'.
Then the rescue centre has to spend so much time trying to iron out these behaviours, which in a kennel setting isn't easy, otherwise finding a home becomes extremely problematic.
Then you get the morons who come to the shelter and see a Rotty or Akita and immediately want it because it's a big dog and it makes them look hard and they have no experience with large dogs, let alone dogs with deep rooted behavioural issues.
Then my job is to try and put these numbskulls off as best i can without getting a barrage of abuse.
I guess working in this environment for a long time now has contributed to my misanthropic attitude to life these days. :(
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You only have to look at the list of celebs who own french bulldogs to see how people are influenced into thinking these are the pets to have.
For many, they are nothing more than a fashion accessory. Like a bling watch or handbag.
They are f**king ugly things too,
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I know. Giving them trendy made up names too. Like DORGI, which is a cross between a Corgi and Daschund i think?
NO IT'S NOT!! IT'S A CORGI CROSS!! NOT A f**kING DORGI YOU DUMBARSES!!
Cockapoo? No such thing. It's a Poodle Cross. It is a cross breed but people want to make it even more special.
Its a dog. Its special anyway regardless. Stop using them as fashion accessories and get a life.
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Who was filming by the way.
I didn’t hear anyone protesting so they must have been happy for it to happen.
His brother who can be heard laughing .... who then posted it on Social Media
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When agencies deal with victims of domestic violence, one of the questions asked about previous incidents or character of the perpetrators is any previous violence to pets or animals.
There are very well documented links between cruelty to animals and violence to people.
If he is happy to slap his cat around, I wonder how he treats his partner?
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When agencies deal with victims of domestic violence, one of the questions asked about previous incidents or character of the perpetrators is any previous violence to pets or animals.
There are very well documented links between cruelty to animals and violence to people.
If he is happy to slap his cat around, I wonder how he treats his partner?
Indeed NR.
I have heard the phrase that people who claim to dislike humans are misanthropes but people who claim to dislike both humans AND animals are psychopaths.
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Wet Spam should sack him and he should be prosecuted. SCUM.
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When agencies deal with victims of domestic violence, one of the questions asked about previous incidents or character of the perpetrators is any previous violence to pets or animals.
There are very well documented links between cruelty to animals and violence to people.
If he is happy to slap his cat around, I wonder how he treats his partner?
That probably IS the cat :evil:
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You only have to look at the list of celebs who own french bulldogs to see how people are influenced into thinking these are the pets to have.
For many, they are nothing more than a fashion accessory. Like a bling watch or handbag.
They are f**king ugly things too,
I quite like French bulldogs. They are very definitely a fashion accessory at the moment though.
Our two cats are getting on, owt happens to them and I might fancy a dog again. I imagine the animal centres get a lot of French bulldogs in now, I'd consider rehoming one.
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I've only just seen the cat footage. Disgusting.
If I were a West Ham player, I'd be telling the club I wouldn't play with him.
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His brother who was recording plays for Dagenham.
Awful. Pair of them.
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His brother who was recording plays for Dagenham.
Awful. Pair of them.
One may be sacked, one won’t
COYR
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£29.8 million. And he kicks his cat.
I can imagine some of the chants now.
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£29.8 million. And he kicks his cat.
I can imagine some of the chants now.
Kitty kicker?
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West Ham are starting him tonight apparently.
I think that decision will reflect badly on the club.
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Kurts cat gets battered, everywhere it goes……..
Kurts cat gets battered, everywhere it goes……
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West Ham are starting him tonight apparently.
I think that decision will reflect badly on the club.
A bit surprised at Moyes with that especially given the noises made today. Possibly the pull of the top 4? Just seems like it's not a big deal in their eyes now they've done this. Even an internal 1/2/3 match ban might have meant something.
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I will be amazed if WHU take any action against Zouma.
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Absolutely disgusting. Made me feel sick. He's now at West Ham (as if that matters). I can't imagine David Moyes standing for this shit.
He wants locking up for that.
I stand corrected.
Thought better of Moyes but then again I've never met the bloke!
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Don't really need to meet him now. He's a c**t. What an example Moyes has now set. Hey kids, it's OK to leather the shite out of defenceless animals because you won't get into trouble for it and suffer any consequences.
I know obviously it is a whole different ball game but when a player gets accused of sexual assault they get dropped by their clubs. When a player openly abuses a defenceless animal, they get to play the next day. What a message this sends.
Like i said. Moyes. Another self serving pig.
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Animal cruelty makes my piss boil. There is no excuse.
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This tells you all you need to know about the Premier League. PL, Zouma, Moyes, West Ham, c**ts the lot of them.
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This says it all about West Ham United and Moyes
West Ham manager David Moyes says he is a "human being and an animal lover" but "responsible for getting results" after deciding to start Kurt Zouma in Tuesday's 1-0 win over Watford.
“Responsible for getting results”
That is all that matters with the Premiership and their managers
They’re brushing it under the carpet, I really do hope that either the Police or the RSPCA take this to court.
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And fans were ringing in on Talksport on my way home saying it was the correct decision, we needed 3 points, it's only people from teams around us who are complaining, got nothing to do with football, he's one of our best players you can't leave him 'art for kicking a cat etc etc
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Just shows how thick and lacking in any moral fibre some football fans are. I can absolutely guarantee that if Harold Shipman was a 30 goal a season striker, Ted Bundy the best keeper in the world and Jimmy Saville a cross between Franco Baresi and Virgil Van Dijk then many fans would be happy to see them play. It really is quite bizarre.
I mean, 3 points are at stake here. :suicide:
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Well done RSPCA, taken his cats.
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Fined 2 weeks wages (250k) with it all going to charities.
Not enough.
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It really is obscene the amount, average Premier footballers are paid, when 2 weks wages for him amounts to 1/4 of a million pounds
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He’s lost his cats. RSPCA have removed them
RSPCA removes Kurt Zouma's two pet cats after videos of him kicking one of them appeared https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60312876
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What’s a 2 weeks fine to someone who’s earns £125k a week, absolutely nothing. The Kitty Kicker will probably not miss the money. The only good that I can see coming out of this is that the cat has been removed from his care, I use that word lightly and that some charity is a lot better off today!
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Fined 2 weeks wages (250k) with it all going to charities.
Not enough.
the problem is that is the max players can be fined ,2 weeks wages
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Perhaps someone should tell Zouma that cats lives matter.
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He’s lost his cats. RSPCA have removed them
RSPCA removes Kurt Zouma's two pet cats after videos of him kicking one of them appeared https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60312876
Not necessarily. His cats have been taken away from him. Pending a court case. If the court case fails or charges are not brought, he will get his cats back. They are his property and if no charges are brought and he can't be persuaded to give them up, he doesn't have to.
The cats will remain in RSPCA care until a court case / resolution of matters. If charges are brought then the cats will be rehomed. Until then however, the cats cannot be rehomed as they are still the property of Zouma until proven guilty and thus they have to stay in an RSPCA cattery until resolution. Which is not ideal as these things can take a long time.
A course of action the RSPCA may want to take is for them to persuade Zouma to sign the cats over legally to the RSPCA so that they can rehomed but this would then mean no charges would be brought and Zouma would then be free to go out and get more cats, if he so wished.
On the fine. When i heard it on the radio it just confirmed the validity of my misanthropic bias.
He will be fined two weeks wages. A QUARTER OF A MILLION. 2 WEEKS = A QUARTER OF A MILLION POUNDS. Let that sink in.
f**king hate football the top level. 250 grand for a bang average animal abuser who kicks a bag of wind about. Truly absurd world that humans inhabit and are happy to accept.
Meanwhile, nurses get about 30k a year.
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CDH,
Perhaps his employer could insist he rehomes the cats and makes a commitment to not owning anymore animals.
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He's also lost his sponsorship deal with Adidas and a couple of other smaller businesses.
And apparently a legal complaint has been lodged in Paris, the video has also caused widespread revulsion in France. If he were to go back home there is the possibility he could face arrest and jail time.
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CDH,
Perhaps his employer could insist he rehomes the cats and makes a commitment to not owning anymore animals.
Yes. That is one course of action. The issue is that he is still free legally to own animals and there is no guarantee he'll keep the commitment. What if he moves abroad? The best thing IMO, knowing how animal abusers operate is to first and foremost get any animals away from them and then get them rehomed. Punishments don't usually have any effect because many who get bans from keeping animals just go and get more anyway as there is nobody to enforce this.
I know many RSPCA Inspectors personally and they are continually frustrated as they literally have to visit the same people constantly to remove animals because they've had a ban and then got some more. The issue is then that these animals have to be found space in animal shelters which are already often chocker as it is.
People like Zouma know what they have done is wrong. They just don't care. He'll probably go do it again in future.
Every prosecution costs money and unless it is a particularly horrendous case such as entire farm buildings filled with the carcasses of pups or sophisticated badger baiting rings or dog fighting, it often isn't worth the effort of prosecuting people if the animals that are being abused can be removed with the owners permission to get rehab and rehomed.
Animal Welfare law / punishment in this country isn't stringent enough and needs reforming.
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I’m unsure cruelty to cats would have formed part of his contract at Wet Sapm.
But £28.9 million goes a long way to helping you keep your job.
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Zouma's brother, the Dagenham & Redbridge defender who filmed the video has been suspended by Daggers until further notice.
Once again, the lower leagues show the big boys how it's done and what family clubs are all about.
Well done Daggers!
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Zouma starts again tonight for West Ham. :suicide:
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He will get more pelters.
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Forgive my facts. I believe they play tomorrow but he is starting from what i heard.
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Zouma does start for West Ham today against Leicester. Funny thing is. West Ham won't finish in the top 6 or probably even top 8 so hard luck Mr Moyes. Can't say you won't deserve it.
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Another twist.
It is claimed that Zouma has picked up an injury during the warm up for the game today and he won't be playing now.
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We need a larger en-suite than we currently have.
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According to the BBC, Zouma felt ill in the warm up and didn't play. Hopefully the pressure of being hated by fans is having the desired effect.
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Maybe he wasn’t feline well.
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He's in a very difficult position.
How can he show remorse now and have people believe him?
I don't have an answer. Maybe if he spent time and money at a local RSPCA centre? Proffesionals footballers have plenty of spare time.
If he has the inclination he might be able to undo it but it means going above and beyond. Nobody has done it before.
He's a celebrity, if he could convince someone like Chris Packham that it was an aberration, then I'd believe him.
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He's in a very difficult position.
How can he show remorse now and have people believe him?
I don't have an answer. Maybe if he spent time and money at a local RSPCA centre? Proffesionals footballers have plenty of spare time.
If he has the inclination he might be able to undo it but it means going above and beyond. Nobody has done it before.
He's a celebrity, if he could convince someone like Chris Packham that it was an aberration, then I'd believe him.
Chris Packham has Asperger's Syndrome. I doubt very much that he could be convinced that someone committing an act of sickness like Zouma did can be easily remorseful and reformed.
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Surely if he just says sorry and spends time with animal welfare groups so he understands them all will be forgiven
It works for some who have been anti semitic in the past
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He's in a very difficult position.
How can he show remorse now and have people believe him?
I don't have an answer. Maybe if he spent time and money at a local RSPCA centre? Proffesionals footballers have plenty of spare time.
If he has the inclination he might be able to undo it but it means going above and beyond. Nobody has done it before.
He's a celebrity, if he could convince someone like Chris Packham that it was an aberration, then I'd believe him.
Chris Packham has Asperger's Syndrome. I doubt very much that he could be convinced that someone committing an act of sickness like Zouma did can be easily remorseful and reformed.
Chris packham has his own issues. He ranted against the shooting of “pest” birds last year and ended up with death threats and his front gates to his house petrol bombed.
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Surely if he just says sorry and spends time with animal welfare groups so he understands them all will be forgiven
It works for some who have been anti semitic in the past
Maybe he could just say he is sorry.
It was ok, according to some, when Angela Raynor said she was sorry.
All swept under the carpet then.
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Has been charged under the animal welfare act
https://news.sky.com/story/kurt-zouma-west-ham-player-to-be-prosecuted-for-kicking-his-cat-sky-new-understands-12567728
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Hound the same applies to A Rafiq and his anti Semitic historic behaviour
Right or wrong doesn’t matter who anyone is or what they have done everyone should play by the same standards
This country at the minute definitely has selective standards of behaviour and forgiveness depending on who you are and whether they fit into the current vogue standards
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Hound the same applies to A Rafiq and his anti Semitic historic behaviour
Right or wrong doesn’t matter who anyone is or what they have done everyone should play by the same standards
This country at the minute definitely has selective standards of behaviour and forgiveness depending on who you are and whether they fit into the current vogue standards
Phil, I agree with aall of that sir.
The same applies to this forum too.
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Got away lightly I think
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61657176
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Very lightly.
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Very lightly I think, he should be banned from keeping animals for life.
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How is this supposed to set a good example for others not to go down this same road?
Society is loosing all shreds of common sense.
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Danum don’t we all know this. This is just another piece of our society going down hill
There are so many parts of life that are being eroded by a lack of common sense
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All them woke magistrates.