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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: DonnyAps on February 27, 2022, 12:58:23 am
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I know this a football forum but just want to say a massive well done to to the Knights in the top of the table clash against Ealing who are the Man city/ Chelsea of Championship rugby. Who would have thought that our town may be hosting premiership rugby next season.
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They only have 2 games to play and could well win the league and hope they get accepted into the the premiership ,they would need to erect temp stands to meet the criteria but the biggest hurdle is that the elite clubs are trying to close the door on promotion by getting clubs to have 23 million as aback up not really sure what the money is for
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Tin hat on here, but the keepmoat could be the answer for them plenty of teams in the premiership share with football teams.
Wasps with Coventry
London Irish with Brentford.
You would hope club doncaster help out to support a local team who would be playing at the pinnacle of the game.
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Do I misremember ?
A few Seasons back I thought Knights made a "declaration" that they did not aspire to the Premiership and would not take Promotion if they won it
I thought at the time (as I do with Football) how crap for their Supporters if they declare Championship is their level
Easy for me to say but Rotherham made it to the heady heights and their facilities are and we're far far inferior to Knights ....
.... on the downside they would need to spend astronomical amounts on Players I reckon and still only survive one Season but hey it could be great for the Town
Hope my memory is "flawed"
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Tin hat on here, but the keepmoat could be the answer for them plenty of teams in the premiership share with football teams.
Wasps with Coventry
London Irish with Brentford.
You would hope club doncaster help out to support a local team who would be playing at the pinnacle of the game.
I would make it a condition of the deal that they bring their catering with them.
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Digging about I found article from 2016 where they had agreed with Club Doncaster to use Keepmoat
It was approved by RFU
They did concede that it would be a massive leap to go up ... and in a very recent article they say there would be any amount of hoops to jump through before they would be accepted
This from Knights website from November 2020
Is the Exeter template a good one for clubs like Doncaster to follow?
Playing-wise, we’ll always want to be Doncaster because the moment you start copying somebody too much you can just become a pale imitation. But Exeter’s business model is very, very good and that’s something Doncaster have always looked closely at. Our off-field facilities are very good and we’re very ambitious as well. Would we love to see Premiership rugby at Doncaster? Yes, but at the moment a lot of that is out of our control, like funding. At the moment it doesn’t make any sense for us to push for the Premiership because the funding discrepancy is massive – it’s just not fair. It’s such a big gulf for a Championship side to bridge in finance so until that changes it’s just a pipedream.
The facilities we’ve got at Doncaster could easily meet the top-flight criteria and Yorkshire’s the biggest rugby county in the country, but there are a lot of hurdles to overcome before we can get to that level. It’s not been an overnight thing for Exeter over the last 20-odd years, though, so there’s hope for us all.
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Fantastic achievement from the Knights, if they get promotion they want to. stay on their own ground , hope they manage it , it's a well run club,
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Brilliant to see them doing so well.
Would be brilliant for the town to be mixing it with the big boys.
Really hope they achieve it.
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Tin hat on here, but the keepmoat could be the answer for them plenty of teams in the premiership share with football teams.
Wasps with Coventry
London Irish with Brentford.
It is no longer the Keepmoat. Please refer to our stadium as the EcoPower Stadium so people can find it when searching. Thank You.
You would hope club doncaster help out to support a local team who would be playing at the pinnacle of the game.
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Only the Knights and earling have applied for promotion if they win the league
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Knights are the only northern club in the top two leagues apart from Newcastle and a very clearly number 1 in Yorkshire. So you might imagine that they could draw quite a lot of new support in the Premiership.
How they’ve progressed in 50 odd years. Their big derby in the 60s was versus Old Thornensians!
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Big match in a couple of weeks time v Cornish Pirates who are the third team in with a chance of winning the league. They are 7 points behind & have played three games fewer. Keep on eye on their result today against Jersey.
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Brilliant season so far for them, the teams below them have games in hand though. Please excuse my ignorance in this but is it a straight forward promotion for whoever wins the league or is there a play off scenario
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Tin hat on here, but the keepmoat could be the answer for them plenty of teams in the premiership share with football teams.
Wasps with Coventry
London Irish with Brentford.
It is no longer the Keepmoat. Please refer to our stadium as the EcoPower Stadium so people can find it when searching. Thank You.
You would hope club doncaster help out to support a local team who would be playing at the pinnacle of the game.
It's the same place.
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Brilliant season so far for them, the teams below them have games in hand though. Please excuse my ignorance in this but is it a straight forward promotion for whoever wins the league or is there a play off scenario
promotion this season of you win the league and have applied for to be accepted in the premiership, I think no promotion next season though so.some reason
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to stop being blackballed
would they ever consider playing the union matches at Rovers ground and the Rugby (Dons) league team playing at their ground ---- just guessing ??
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Cornish Pirates 0 Jersey 14 so far :-)
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Good,!
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Pirates won 21-17 ,jersey did not score a point in the second half, it will come down to who wins the league when the knights play the pirates
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Knights are the only northern club in the top two leagues apart from Newcastle and a very clearly number 1 in Yorkshire. So you might imagine that they could draw quite a lot of new support in the Premiership.
How they’ve progressed in 50 odd years. Their big derby in the 60s was versus Old Thornensians!
Sorry to be pedantic, but you forgot about Sale Sharks.
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Pirates have to play Ealing and Doncaster. Donnys last two matches Pirates and Nottingham. Will be interesting if they do accept promotion if they are champions.
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Pirates have to play Ealing and Doncaster. Donnys last two matches Pirates and Nottingham. Will be interesting if they do accept promotion if they are champions.
well they have applied so you would think they would accept it if promoted
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Big up to them if they win and "go for it"
Tremendous respect for them and the set up all round.
Thornensians WAS the "big one" so much so that I know personally several mates who still wont visit Knights as they are OTs.
I took no persuading [when Rovers were on a long away fixture] other than "good beer [real] and Chicken Curry & Chips" but I stopped going as much when the prices went up & it was costing 50 pc more there than at Rovers
COYK ! [and their benefactors]
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Big up to them if they win and "go for it"
Tremendous respect for them and the set up all round.
Thornensians WAS the "big one" so much so that I know personally several mates who still wont visit Knights as they are OTs.
I took no persuading [when Rovers were on a long away fixture] other than "good beer [real] and Chicken Curry & Chips" but I stopped going as much when the prices went up & it was costing 50 pc more there than at Rovers
COYK ! [and their benefactors]
I remember saying hello to you there once as you were tucking in!!
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I always thought that the Knights were part of club Doncaster obviously not
Would it not be a good idea to try to bring them in under the Club Doncaster umbrella Or what that be a drain on resources and facilities
Im not really sure how club Doncaster works. The benefits and negatives
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Of I remember they asked them to,but did not up the offer
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Have not met the minimum requirements needed so can't be promoted
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Have not met the minimum requirements needed so can't be promoted
Just read this myself. Strange that they applied knowing the criteria for stadium capacity.
Real shame this. Could be the only realistic chance of seeing one of the towns teams playing at the most elite level in the country in any sport. Apparently no ground share option was put forward (ruling out KMS) and no permissions are in place to extend castle park to the 10001 capacity needed.
What an utter shame given the position they are in. You sometimes have to wonder where the ambition is for sports teams in our area
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Strange that they did not ask if they could play at the keepmout if it meant being allowed to be promoted, It's not like the fans would be traveling miles from castle park to attend matches, Makes you wonder if they really wanted to get promoted at all ,I'm sure if we're a fan you would be miffed about this.
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an oak tree once stopped St.Albans getting promotion
"Not quite on the pitch, but occasionally interfering with play was the famous 'late tree' at St Albans' ground. "Up until 1998 the ground was famous for having a large oak tree that sat in the middle of the Clarence Park terrace – the 140 year old 'late tree' – hanging over the pitch," writes James Sanders. "It was not unknown for visiting goalkeepers to get the odd acorn thrown in their direction.
"The fate of this oak tree was tested in 1993 when St Albans City FC finished runners up in the Ryman Premier League (behind Chesham Utd) only to be denied promotion to the Conference due to this old oak tree. The Conference, which is known for it's strict ground-grading regulations, were sympathetic to their special case. 'St Albans have a beautiful ground, and it would be a shame to have to turn it into a normal stadium,' a representative said. But however beautiful, St Albans were eventually denied promotion in no small part due to the presence of their unique arborial oddity."
St Albans' problem was that the ground is part of a public park and therefore the tree (and another in a corner of the ground) was protected, though it was far from the only problem, with a lack of medical facilities and turnstiles. The Conference inspectors called for £80,000 of improvements, half for upgrading the directors' facilities. They did not at first specify the trees' removal. Then they changed their minds. "The Conference are entitled to make their own rules," said Bernard Tominey, St Albans' chairman at the time, "but what rules are the trees breaking? Hooligans will climb floodlights more easily than the oaks."
Eventually, in August 1998, the trees were chopped down after contracting a mystery illness. More information on St Albans City's history can be found here and a fantastic picture of the 'late tree' is can be spotted here."
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/feb/10/trees-in-middle-of-pitch
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Have not met the minimum requirements needed so can't be promoted
Just read this myself. Strange that they applied knowing the criteria for stadium capacity.
Real shame this. Could be the only realistic chance of seeing one of the towns teams playing at the most elite level in the country in any sport. Apparently no ground share option was put forward (ruling out KMS) and no permissions are in place to extend castle park to the 10001 capacity needed.
What an utter shame given the position they are in. You sometimes have to wonder where the ambition is for sports teams in our area
Just a bit of my usual pedantry, CC. The Dons actually played at the most elite level for just one season. It wasn't called the Super League then; it was referred to as the "Big League".
A bit like the old First Division in football, before it became the Premier League. It was still always the elite level.
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I’ve just read the article in the free press saying that they were going to be denied promotion
I do feel sorry for them but also feel that their owners have been a bit short sighted and naive
They know the requirements for promotion and knowing they were looking good should have started to put things in place before now
It seems from the article that all they needed was to have planning in place
Such a shame. I hope they can maybe recover this situation because they deserve it
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If they want it they should put the planning application in place ,cannot see it being refused for temporary stands being put up and appeal which they can do in writing or ask to share the football ground which was not in the original application.
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The knights have put in an appeal to the RFU ,saying the will be able to erect temporary stands in time ,but if that fails they have agreed to play at a ground that has the 10k capacity which would allow them promotion if they win the league
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Shame about it being all about the money and nothing to do with fairness, from the authorities.
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They want a closed shop.
Don’t want Northern upstarts like Doncaster infiltrating their precious Premiership.
Surprised they haven’t found a way of expelling Newcastle and Sale Sharks yet.
Without a promotion system that goes all the way through to the top then the game is pretty pointless and does not create the incentive for clubs to progress and grow.
The RFU needs to take a good look at itself and it’s elitist ethos.
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Rotherham played in the top league years ago. There was a big fuss about letting them in too.
BobG
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Yes they did ... and there was a huge controversy the 2nd time when they were refused entry even though they were playing at Millmoor
Eventually they won't a long long Court case which stopped a closed shop in Premiership
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I'd forgotten about the second time Wolf. Thank you. Reinforces the general consensus that, just like football, Rugby Union is viewed as something for The Haves only. Whoever can possibly think a closed shop can survive longer term?? It's ridiculous
BobG
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I'd forgotten about the second time Wolf. Thank you. Reinforces the general consensus that, just like football, Rugby Union is viewed as something for The Haves only. Whoever can possibly think a closed shop can survive longer term?? It's ridiculous
BobG
Smacks of Bolton wanting a closed shop in the Premiership when they were there
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Promotion to the Premiership refused:
https://www.drfc.co.uk/doncaster-knights-statement-on-rfu-minimum-standards-findings/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-10565457/Gallagher-Premiership-NOT-expand-14-teams-Ealing-Doncaster-fail-meet-criteria.html
Not surprised. What a shock it would be for the elite of rugby union if they had to play in ‘little ole Donny’!
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Bit like when little ol' donny were in the Championship
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Promotion to the Premiership refused:
https://www.drfc.co.uk/doncaster-knights-statement-on-rfu-minimum-standards-findings/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-10565457/Gallagher-Premiership-NOT-expand-14-teams-Ealing-Doncaster-fail-meet-criteria.html
Not surprised. What a shock it would be for the elite of rugby union if they had to play in ‘little ole Donny’!
But they waiting to see what happens as they have put in an appeal with a ground share option if the temp stand is not in place when the season starts , so watch this space
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Big win yesterday against Cornish Pirates
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just need Cornish Pirates to beat Earling in a couple of weeks time for them to have a chance of winning the league
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Bit like when little ol' donny were in the Championship
Or when like Donny Belles were the top Womens side in the Country until kicked out for the mega money teams
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Bit like when little ol' donny were in the Championship
Or when like Donny Belles were the top Womens side in the Country until kicked out for the mega money teams
The Belles were relegated after playing only 1 game in the WSL to make way for Manchester City the following year.
Stinks to high heaven as does the RFUs attitude to the Knights here.
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RFU or maybe more correctly the Clubs within the Elite League have been hankering for a closed shop for maybe 10 Seasons
The Clubs that drop like Harlequins Worcester etc seem to ease their way back at first attempt and the ones from Knights Division tend to have poorer facilities and they don't have Teams full of Internationals and without the latter they come straight down
The Clubs had a problem or two though ... One being they regarded Leeds or Yorkshire Carnegie as "big" so it was difficult to shut up shop with them marooned but now they have effectively become a small team the big boys have their chance
Knights Cornish Pirates Jersey can be Pooh poohed and they might get their wish this time round because it could be Bath who drop this time and I expect they would bounce back so the ducks are in a row
However as posted on here already what good is a Division you can't fail in ?
And what good is a pyramid set up in RU which allows a Team like Knights to climb to the dizzy heights and maybe stay there ... but sorry no place at the top table for you boys
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Doesn’t need worrying about now, Ealing will now win the league. Superb effort from the knights though. A couple of games at the start of the season has cost them
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Doesn’t need worrying about now, Ealing will now win the league. Superb effort from the knights though. A couple of games at the start of the season has cost them
they have won more than Earling and lost less,it's not picking up the bonus points that has cost them
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If they were in Club Doncaster would it have been different.... ?
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Yeah, they would have finished bottom of the league!
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Bloody hell .... Knights now proposing Ground share if they get Promo
Eco Stadium .... Er ..... No
Craven Park home of those other Rovers (Hull Kingston Rovers) I checked date in case it was April 1
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How many Knights fans would want to trail to Hull every week and especially to see them get hammered in most games?
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Unless they had their Curry and Chips available I would choose one Game and go , just to say I saw them in Premiership
Die hard Knights fans will be feeling its a kick in the teeth for them - and I feel it is a "how to kick Donny as a Town in the teeth" especially when it appears they could have used Eco Stadium [but that bits a guess on my part]
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It does not matter where they want to play,Earling will finish top of the league they are 5 points clear with 1 game to go
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It’s Ealing and they are 3 (three) points clear.
If Doncaster win and Ealing don’t then Doncaster finish top.
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That doesn’t mean the winners of the league would get promoted. There are play offs at the end. 1 v 4 and 2 v 3 with the highly placed team getting home advantage in the final game. They are already advertising Knights v Cornish Pirates (2 v 3) on April 9th at the ground.
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Ealing's ground doesn't meet the standards either, nor do Cornish Pirates or Jersey (and they have already said they dont want promotion) - so as it stands at the moment whoever wins the league/play-off's wont be promoted.
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It's a non starter as Ealing must be nailed on to beat Richmond anyway. Although, never the less a great season by them though
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That doesn’t mean the winners of the league would get promoted. There are play offs at the end. 1 v 4 and 2 v 3 with the highly placed team getting home advantage in the final game. They are already advertising Knights v Cornish Pirates (2 v 3) on April 9th at the ground.
5th play 6th as well ,knights play on Saturday
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Knights lose 24:26 in first leg....
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No way. Bloody hell. That's the first defeat in aeons
BobG
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I do like a man who can spell aeons lol
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Second leg in Penzance 23rd April
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Lol. Thank you DW. Language is one of my strengths. Finger trouble is the cause of nearly all my spelling mistakes.
BobG
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Managed to win 32-20 and go through
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Who/when do they play next. Is this just an end of season cup or does it impact promotion? TIA