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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: roversdude on March 07, 2022, 12:27:15 pm
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How lazy has the journalism got at DFP, looks as though they are just rehashing anything that mentions Rovers
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Maybe Liam's just feeding them old news :)
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Since local journalism was taken over by Johnson Press their method of cheap reporting is based totally on recycling old news they pick up from facebook, twitter, their sister publications and old stories of their own. As you say it is lazy reporting. They have killed off what was once a proud and responsible profession.
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Since local journalism was taken over by Johnson Press their method of cheap reporting is based totally on recycling old news they pick up from facebook, twitter, their sister publications and old stories of their own. As you say it is lazy reporting. They have killed off what was once a proud and responsible profession.
It’s all about creating as much content as possible as they get paid by the click.
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It’s got the whiff of an institution in trouble to me. Could be wrong but from what I observe they’ve just laid off a load of reporters and the editor, and are ever more reliant on clicks to generate ad revenue from click-baity articles. One would assume circulation of the paper itself is a fraction of what it used to be.
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It’s got the whiff of an institution in trouble to me. Could be wrong but from what I observe they’ve just laid off a load of reporters and the editor, and are ever more reliant on clicks to generate ad revenue from click-baity articles. One would assume circulation of the paper itself is a fraction of what it used to be.
Unfortunately local newspapers are a dying breed. Sales of print media go down each year and I will be surprised if the DFP is still around in the next few years.
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Local press has been dying for 20 years. It's dying from the net, from social media and from changes in lifestyles. Several years ago now Johnson Press thought they could buy up lots of local papers, massively cut costs through redundancies, new technology and new ways of working, and, make profits. The evidence suggests their optimism was misplaced.
BobG
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Think you are right it definitely seems to be in trouble
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It hasn’t been much of a read for many years. The rovers section in it, is for me the only reason I would buy it. Piled with adverts, nothing for sale in that section of the paper. I used to buy it every week, I don’t any more. It was thriving at one point when it was based at Sunny bar. A shame but it looks to be on its way out.
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I can remember the days delivering papers when I used to hate Thursday’s DFP and was it The Gazette?
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I remember in the 60s and 70s it was massive. The cars and homes sections were full and the local clubs section was about four pages.
That was before you had the local adverts and stories. I always used to buy it after I left Donny but came back for the Rovers and to visit family. It was a proper paper then.
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it's sad , not just Donny though. The Johnson formula unfortunately resulted in pretty poor content which was self defeating. . Internet as well.
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I can remember the days delivering papers when I used to hate Thursday’s DFP and was it The Gazette?
Yes .... Ugh Free Press day ... Pulled shoulder each week lol
Was tremendous paper though ... People reputed to get theirs in Donny late on Weds and got to best bargains
Was like a local ebay lol
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Print news media is almost dead really, it is an old habit of people's and I'd say in 10-20 years when more of those who grew up with a daily paper are no longer around, the print editions will go with them.
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I would guess that in the early 1960´s the Sheffield Green Un would sell between 150 to 200,000 copies every Saturday night .All the regional teams match reports would be in the first edition that I was able to buy at Christ Church bus station before getting the bus home to Dunscroft after a home match and that no more than an hour after the final whistle .On away match nights the vendor would have several hundred copies that he sold on his Broadway walk and folk would listen out for his piercing cry Sheffield Green Un all your Saturday’s football .No match of the day on TV of course so it was our best window on the world of football .
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Graingrover, did you spot the Rovers result on your image? Manchester City 3-3 Doncaster Rovers. If only!!!
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Graingrover, did you spot the Rovers result on your image? Manchester City 3-3 Doncaster Rovers. If only!!!
2-0 down at half time too
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And of course we went one better at home thanks to our Magician Doherty .
Doncaster Rovers v Manchester City, 07 October 1950
Score 4-3 to Doncaster Rovers
Competition League Division Two
Attendance 32,937
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https://www.citytilidie.com/latest/doncaster-v-manchester-city-195051/
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https://www.citytilidie.com/latest/doncaster-v-manchester-city-195051/
Thanks for that, Graing. Fantastic article.
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Print news media is almost dead really, it is an old habit of people's and I'd say in 10-20 years when more of those who grew up with a daily paper are no longer around, the print editions will go with them.
It will be a much nearer than that.
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It’s a shame I used to buy the free press every week, the star a few times a week, a national every day, then the green un. Enjoyed having them in paper form rather than the internet. Just not enough in them worth reading now.
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https://www.citytilidie.com/latest/doncaster-v-manchester-city-195051/
Great link grainge.
That game was played a couple of years before I was born but reading it, with a bit of imagination and knowledge of the staging of it, I could almost have been there.
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It’s a shame I used to buy the free press every week, the star a few times a week, a national every day, then the green un. Enjoyed having them in paper form rather than the internet. Just not enough in them worth reading now.
Plus you can now get the same information for free and in a more convenient way online. I don't think I know a single person under 40 who buys newspapers, it's the right thing for them to die but there is definitely still a place for local news online.
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I haven’t bought a newspaper for around thirty years, possibly more.
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I buy Sundays only now unless I’m going away for a break or flying. I enjoy relaxing and reading on a Sunday and doing the crosswords.
They are getting thinner and thinner though and a lot of the early pages are filled with scandal and wannabes craving fame at every turn.
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Not sure I agree online news is "more convenient" DO. Unreliablely available for a start for those who don't live in metropoli. Is that the plural?!
BobG
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I buy Sundays only now unless I’m going away for a break or flying. I enjoy relaxing and reading on a Sunday and doing the crosswords.
They are getting thinner and thinner though and a lot of the early pages are filled with scandal and wannabes craving fame at every turn.
Maybe worth investing in a crossword book?
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Remember buying the star every night then using the paper the next day to start a coal fire
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My nans been in the donny free press this week it was the old girls 105th birthday yesterday. It blows my mind to think she was born during world war 1, was 22 when world war 2 started and was 49 when england won the world cup. Not really anything to do with whats been said on here but just thought id mention it.
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That is something else Elmsall!! 1917. Born one year after the Lusitania went down!
BobG
Edit: wrong. May 7th 1915.
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I haven’t bought a newspaper for around thirty years, possibly more.
Neither has yours truly but:-
Mrs Coleman circumnavigates the problem ( or rather did !!) couple of times a month
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/feb/03/waitrose-to-scrap-free-newspapers-for-loyalty-card-customers#:~:text=Waitrose%20is%20ditching%20free%20newspapers,%C2%A310%20with%20the%20supermarket.
always get got the Telegraph for the sport and business and i hate small newspapers.
The fact that I never read them for many months or even years later makes the "who said what more interesting "
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That is something else Elmsall!! 1917. Born one year after the Lusitania went down!
BobG
As we know the German sank an innocent passenger ship (at least it wasn't a hospital ship) and "medals were created" to commemorate the event
Q. Why was the Lusitania medal made?
In August 1915, German artist Karl Goetz cast a commemorative medal depicting the May 7, 1915 sinking of the Lusitania. He intended it to be a metallic political cartoon, but it became a propaganda tool. ... There were between 41 to 45 medals of this version made.
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which makes you wonder will The Russians go down a similar line and issue medals to commemorate the destruction of the Childrens Hospital today in Ukraine
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The Lusitana was not an 'innocent passenger ship'. It was carrying substantial munitions in the forward half of its hull. That section was sealed off from public access in 1914 when the Admiralty exercised its option at the outbreak of war to take over the entire section. The Admiralty had the option because they paid a huge portion of Cunards' building costs.
Everyone in New York knew what the Lusitania was doing. It had been doing it for nearly a year. The Germans took out huge adverts in loads of US papers warning that the ship was a legitimate target and why.
But worst of all, or best of all, depending upon your view of high strategy, was Churchills' personal intervention as First Lord of the Admiralty to separate the ship from its escort and to divert it into the path of a known U Boat. They even ordered the Lusitania to zig zag when its entire history, along with its sister ship, was based on being the fastest trans Atlantic liners afloat. No U Boat had ever got near them. Why zig zag? To reduce its mean speed and give the U Boat a better chance of intercepting. There is no doubt about any of this.
From the British point of view, the sinking was a huge success. It killed a lot of Americans - Churchills' objective. Britain needed the Yanks in the war. Getting the Germans to kill Yanks was perfect.
The wreck shows the evidence of gun mountings on the main deck - never used but there all the same. I believe they were for 4 inch guns but it might have been 6 inch. The mountings were installed when the ship was built but hidden under deck planking. Technically therefore Lusitania was an armed merchant vessel and therefore a legitimate target on that basis as well as that of carrying war material.
The most unfortunate aspect of the episode was the fate of the Captain of the ship. He was publicly pilloried and hung out to dry for deviating from the course the ship had been originally ordered to follow, its more normal more easterly route past Kinsale Head. Churchill at the Admiralty couldn't admit the plot of course so he died a broken man for the greater good of his nation.
Churchill never admitted his role. But the evidence has been available for 50 years.
Oh. One last point. The Lusitania medals, allegedly struck by Germany, were the brainchild of Britain too. All the more muck to throw at Germany for the benefit of the Yanks. Look it up CLH. There's plenty of books on the subject. Colin Simpson's 'Lusitania" is simple to read. Pub. 1973 if my memory is right. Abebooks have copies. Oxfam online have even got a copy signed the author.
Some nights Churchill must have almost laughed himself to sleep. The perfect plot, still duping folk over 100 years later.
If you are interested in another example of British fraud and duplicity in wartime, look up the 'Zimmerman telegram'. It's another belter. It had the same objective - get the Americans into WW1.
BobG
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My nans been in the donny free press this week it was the old girls 105th birthday yesterday. It blows my mind to think she was born during world war 1, was 22 when world war 2 started and was 49 when england won the world cup. Not really anything to do with whats been said on here but just thought id mention it.
Wow, that is quite some achievement.
Takes some getting my head around, I'm 49 now & the world Cup win seems an absolute age ago, before I was born !
Hope she enjoyed her birthday.
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The Lusitana was not an 'innocent passenger ship'. It was carrying substantial munitions in the forward half of its hull. That section was sealed off from public access in 1914 when the Admiralty exercised its option at the outbreak of war to take over the entire section. The Admiralty had the option because they paid a huge portion of Cunards' building costs.
Everyone in New York knew what the Lusitana was doing. It had been doing it for nearly a year. The Germans took out huge adverts in loads of US papers warning that the ship was a legitimate target and why.
But worst of all, or best of all, depending upon your view of high strategy, was Churchills' personal intervention as First Lord of the Admiralty to separate the ship from its escort and to divert it into the path of a known U Boat. They even ordered the Lusitania to zig zag when its entire history, along with its sister ship, was based on being the fastest trans Atlantic liners afloat. No U Boat had ever got near them. Why zig zag? To reduce its mean speed and give the U Boat a better chance of intercepting. There is no doubt about any of this.
From the British point of view, the sinking was a huge success. It killed a lot of Americans - Churchills' objective. Britain needed the Yanks in the war. Getting the Germans to kill Yanks was perfect.
The wreck shows the evidence of gun mountings on the main deck - never used but there all the same. I believe they were for 4 inch guns but it might have been 6 inch. The mountings were installed when the ship was built but hidden under deck planking. Technically therefore Lusitania was an armed merchant vessel and therefore a legitimate target on that basis as well as that of carrying war material.
The most unfortunate aspect of the episode was the fate of the Captain of the ship. He was publicly pilloried and hung out to dry for deviating from the course the ship had been originally ordered to follow, its more normal more easterly route past Kinshale Head. Churchill at the Admiralty couldn't admit the plot of course so he died a broken man for the greater good of his nation.
Churchill never admitted his role. But the evidence has been available for 50 years.
Oh. One last point. The Lusitania medals, allegedly struck by Germany, were the brainchild of Britain too. All the more muck to throw at Germany for the benefit of the Yanks. Look it up CLH. There's plenty of books on the subject. Colin Simpson's 'Lusitania" is simple to read. Pub. 1973 if my memory is right. Abebooks have copies. Oxfam online have even got a copy signed the author.
Some nights Churchill must have almost laughed himself to sleep. The perfect plot, still duping folk over 100 years later.
If you are interested in another example of British fraud and duplicity in wartime, look up the 'Zimmerman telegram'. It's another belter. It had the same objective - get the Americans into WW1.
BobG
thanks for the "fact checking"
PS dont forget what "naughties" we did in the Boer War
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Lol!! We're not known as 'Perfidious Albion' for nothing are we?!
BobG
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My nans been in the donny free press this week it was the old girls 105th birthday yesterday. It blows my mind to think she was born during world war 1, was 22 when world war 2 started and was 49 when england won the world cup. Not really anything to do with whats been said on here but just thought id mention it.
That's brilliant! I imagine she has some fascinating stories.
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That she does mate, i cant even begin to imagine the life shes led. Shes from plymouth originally. She worked in a liquorice allsorts factory down there when it became a munitions factory for world war 2. She met me grandad and moved to barnsley during the war. She lived in her bungalow in wath (grandad died in 1998) until she was 103 but after living with my mum for a year moved into a home so they could accommodate her needs. Shes still got her wits about her and she takes no prisoners when she tells em, its just her mobility which hinders her unsurprisingly lol. Shes lived a long life and enjoyed it through all shes been through and fair play to her. If i can get anywhere near her age I'd be a happy man.
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Perhaps you could get your Nan to join this site GR, she could reminisce about the old days with Scawsby Steve and Wolfie.
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I know a lad down here in Cornwall, was a sports writer for the south west for 20 years. Watched numbers dwindle in the the department from 7 to two and he got paid off last year. All online collating of match reports no opinions expressed and one writer in the south west!
He now works as a sports and features writer for Ann's cottage surf store.
Best thing he's ever done he says as it was like a slow death watching the papers die.
From the north east originally massive broro fan. He made the article about wornock and his bumbag last year when they did every wornock teams pre season down Devon and Cornwall. Was his daughter receiving the pre signed autograph card!!
Always speaks very highly of rovers and their standing in the game!!?
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An average of 4,672 papers sold every week, two years ago it was 17,500.
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That she does mate, i cant even begin to imagine the life shes led. Shes from plymouth originally. She worked in a liquorice allsorts factory down there when it became a munitions factory for world war 2. She met me grandad and moved to barnsley during the war. She lived in her bungalow in wath (grandad died in 1998) until she was 103 but after living with my mum for a year moved into a home so they could accommodate her needs. Shes still got her wits about her and she takes no prisoners when she tells em, its just her mobility which hinders her unsurprisingly lol. Shes lived a long life and enjoyed it through all shes been through and fair play to her. If i can get anywhere near her age I'd be a happy man.
Nice story Goldthorpe