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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: rich1471 on March 17, 2022, 04:25:03 pm
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P&O Ferries has sacked 800 staff immediately, but some crew are defying orders and refusing to leave their ships in protest.
Workers were told the news on a video call. The firm said it was a "tough" decision but it would "not be a viable business" without the changes.
Union RMT said crew members were being replaced with cheaper overseas workers.That is shocking i would not leave the ship as well
P&O said its services would not operate for the "next few days", with passengers told to use other companies.People should boycott using them.
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They are being offered their jobs back though at the new lower rate
Fire and Rehire is immoral
Labour MP tabled a Bill to make it illegal
Tory MPs voted it down and Johnson said " thanks for the suggestion" but we think Companies should not be compelled by a Law but we can encourage them to comply instead
How's that going cnut ?
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There should be 90 days consultation period before redundancies, P&O have broken the law
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It's sickening absolutely sickening but unfortunately totally legal .
You'd hope the Labour Party in power would ban this practice .
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It's sickening absolutely sickening but unfortunately totally legal .
You'd hope the Labour Party in power would ban this practice .
It’s not legal, there should be a 90 consultation period
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On a day when its announced mp’s can earn whatever they want in secondary jobs. This is what boris & tories are all about, well done to those who voted for him.
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They haven't followed the correct procedure.
The severance package better be as good as they say it is. Otherwise it looks to me like they've left themselves wide open to legal action
I imagine though, they will be up to summat.
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Blacklist the security firm they hired and blacklist the agency they used and blacklist the coach company that ferried the agency workers in
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It's sickening absolutely sickening but unfortunately totally legal .
You'd hope the Labour Party in power would ban this practice .
It’s not legal, there should be a 90 consultation period
Took it as read a company of this size would have followed the right redundancy procedures .
Having read a little more in to it seems not .
Not only that they've picked on a real heavyweight in the RMT union .
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P&O are owned by DP World (Dubai Ports) a UAE based and owned company.
By total coincidence our PM was meeting with the leaders of the UAE yesterday.
Welcolme to global Britain, the home of free market capitalism where labour regulation and bureaucracy is such a bad thing workers vote to scrap it.
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It's sickening absolutely sickening but unfortunately totally legal .
You'd hope the Labour Party in power would ban this practice .
It’s not legal, there should be a 90 consultation period
We should be seeing swarms of police impounding all the boats until the situation is resolved.
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It's sickening absolutely sickening but unfortunately totally legal .
You'd hope the Labour Party in power would ban this practice .
It’s not legal, there should be a 90 consultation period
Took it as read a company of this size would have followed the right redundancy procedures .
Having read a little more in to it seems not .
Not only that they've picked on a real heavyweight in the RMT union .
History should tell you that the bigger the company or organisation, the more they think they can get away with flouting the rules
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If this is the new reality then noone should be surprised if unions act when they have the leverage and maybe nurses and doctors should have done so recently and not waited for the all clear siren.
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Perhaps sacked staff still onboard should scuttle the ships
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across the mouth of the harbour
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And another thing, are private security staff legally allowed to handcuff people?
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From gov.uk .............
''I can confirm that we do hold the information you requested.
The SIA neither endorses nor declines to endorse handcuff use.
There is no law in the UK that prevents civilians carrying handcuffs. SIA licensed security operatives have no legal powers over and above other civilians. Anyone who does carry handcuffs should be aware that their use could constitute a crime, unless they can show that using them was reasonable and proportionate in the circumstances.
[Reference: FOI 0226]
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/use-of-handcuffs-by-security-personnel/the-sias-view-on-the-use-of-handcuffs#:~:text=There%20is%20no%20law%20in,over%20and%20above%20other%20civilians.
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So the government knew on Wednesday then this was going to happen and refused to either intervene or tell anyone. And then pretended to be outraged yesterday as if they were suprised by it:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/uk-government-knew-plans-axe-26500373
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And when many of us said that brexit would erode rather than strengthen workers rights?
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''The government has had fair warning that there were serious issues at P&O Ferries. Two years ago, Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem, the billionaire head of Dubai-based DP World, the owners of the ferry company, claimed that P&O Ferries needed £257m in aid to avoid collapse and asked the UK government for £150m – all while paying DPW shareholders £270m. They were turned down – and one month later, they made over 1,000 employees redundant.
Yet none of this stopped the Conservatives cosying up with DP World. Last September, the chancellor, Rishi Sunak, said he was “thrilled” to greenlight hundreds of millions of pounds of DP World investment in Thames Gateway and Southampton. A month later the company partnered with the Foreign Office’s development finance. And for the last two years, DP World has sat on the UK government’s trade advisory group''
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/18/government-p-and-o-british-workers-tories-dp-world
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"We will not row back on the 48-hour weekly working limit derived from the working time directive, we will not reduce the UK annual leave entitlement, which is already much more generous than the EU minimum standard, we will not row back on legal rights to breaks at work.
"I will say it again, there is no government plan to reduce workers' rights." Mr Kwarteng added he had repeatedly said that, outside the EU, Britain had an opportunity to raise standards''
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55842992
hmmm
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''boris johnson has been accused of backtracking on a promise to boost workers’ rights after leaving out landmark reforms to zero-hours contracts and the gig economy from the Queen’s speech.
Employers’ groups and trade unions said the prime minister risked “levelling down on jobs” after the setpiece event used to open parliament did not include proposals for an employment bill among his government’s priorities.
First pledged in December 2019, the bill was supposed to be the government’s main vehicle for raising workplace protections after Brexit while also acting to safeguard gig economy workers from abusive employers and exploitative contracts''
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/may/11/boris-johnson-accused-of-backtracking-on-workers-rights-pledge
All documented, all hot air
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''boris johnson has been accused of backtracking on a promise to boost workers’ rights after leaving out landmark reforms to zero-hours contracts and the gig economy from the Queen’s speech.
Employers’ groups and trade unions said the prime minister risked “levelling down on jobs” after the setpiece event used to open parliament did not include proposals for an employment bill among his government’s priorities.
First pledged in December 2019, the bill was supposed to be the government’s main vehicle for raising workplace protections after Brexit while also acting to safeguard gig economy workers from abusive employers and exploitative contracts''
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/may/11/boris-johnson-accused-of-backtracking-on-workers-rights-pledge
All documented, all hot air
Any comment from Keith Sydney and the Labour Party ?
Any chance you can link that and I'll have a good butchers .
Thanks in advance .
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''boris johnson has been accused of backtracking on a promise to boost workers’ rights after leaving out landmark reforms to zero-hours contracts and the gig economy from the Queen’s speech.
Employers’ groups and trade unions said the prime minister risked “levelling down on jobs” after the setpiece event used to open parliament did not include proposals for an employment bill among his government’s priorities.
First pledged in December 2019, the bill was supposed to be the government’s main vehicle for raising workplace protections after Brexit while also acting to safeguard gig economy workers from abusive employers and exploitative contracts''
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/may/11/boris-johnson-accused-of-backtracking-on-workers-rights-pledge
All documented, all hot air
Any comment from Keith Sydney and the Labour Party ?
Any chance you can link that and I'll have a good butchers .
Thanks in advance .
You're extremely childish tyke for a serious subject, but then you don't have a substantive argument do you, tell me again about your life story and your journey to political enlightenment snooooooooooooore
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''boris johnson has been accused of backtracking on a promise to boost workers’ rights after leaving out landmark reforms to zero-hours contracts and the gig economy from the Queen’s speech.
Employers’ groups and trade unions said the prime minister risked “levelling down on jobs” after the setpiece event used to open parliament did not include proposals for an employment bill among his government’s priorities.
First pledged in December 2019, the bill was supposed to be the government’s main vehicle for raising workplace protections after Brexit while also acting to safeguard gig economy workers from abusive employers and exploitative contracts''
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/may/11/boris-johnson-accused-of-backtracking-on-workers-rights-pledge
All documented, all hot air
Any comment from Keith Sydney and the Labour Party ?
Any chance you can link that and I'll have a good butchers .
Thanks in advance .
You're extremely childish tyke for a serious subject, but then you don't have a substantive argument do you, tell me again about your life story and your journey to political enlightenment snooooooooooooore
I ask again Sydney because to be fair you are good at links .
Any word from the opposition on the P&O situation ?
Much appreciated any support you can link .
Thanks once again in advance .
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''boris johnson has been accused of backtracking on a promise to boost workers’ rights after leaving out landmark reforms to zero-hours contracts and the gig economy from the Queen’s speech.
Employers’ groups and trade unions said the prime minister risked “levelling down on jobs” after the setpiece event used to open parliament did not include proposals for an employment bill among his government’s priorities.
First pledged in December 2019, the bill was supposed to be the government’s main vehicle for raising workplace protections after Brexit while also acting to safeguard gig economy workers from abusive employers and exploitative contracts''
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/may/11/boris-johnson-accused-of-backtracking-on-workers-rights-pledge
All documented, all hot air
Any comment from Keith Sydney and the Labour Party ?
Any chance you can link that and I'll have a good butchers .
Thanks in advance .
You're extremely childish tyke for a serious subject, but then you don't have a substantive argument do you, tell me again about your life story and your journey to political enlightenment snooooooooooooore
I ask again Sydney because to be fair you are good at links .
Any word from the opposition on the P&O situation ?
Much appreciated any support you can link .
Thanks once again in advance .
Would you like a link from the Guardian that was born out of the Peterloo massacre or the one you read owned by millionaires ........ political enlightenment, yawn ............
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''boris johnson has been accused of backtracking on a promise to boost workers’ rights after leaving out landmark reforms to zero-hours contracts and the gig economy from the Queen’s speech.
Employers’ groups and trade unions said the prime minister risked “levelling down on jobs” after the setpiece event used to open parliament did not include proposals for an employment bill among his government’s priorities.
First pledged in December 2019, the bill was supposed to be the government’s main vehicle for raising workplace protections after Brexit while also acting to safeguard gig economy workers from abusive employers and exploitative contracts''
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/may/11/boris-johnson-accused-of-backtracking-on-workers-rights-pledge
All documented, all hot air
Any comment from Keith Sydney and the Labour Party ?
Any chance you can link that and I'll have a good butchers .
Thanks in advance .
You're extremely childish tyke for a serious subject, but then you don't have a substantive argument do you, tell me again about your life story and your journey to political enlightenment snooooooooooooore
I ask again Sydney because to be fair you are good at links .
Any word from the opposition on the P&O situation ?
Much appreciated any support you can link .
Thanks once again in advance .
Tyke, seriously, don’t expect a serious answer.
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''boris johnson has been accused of backtracking on a promise to boost workers’ rights after leaving out landmark reforms to zero-hours contracts and the gig economy from the Queen’s speech.
Employers’ groups and trade unions said the prime minister risked “levelling down on jobs” after the setpiece event used to open parliament did not include proposals for an employment bill among his government’s priorities.
First pledged in December 2019, the bill was supposed to be the government’s main vehicle for raising workplace protections after Brexit while also acting to safeguard gig economy workers from abusive employers and exploitative contracts''
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/may/11/boris-johnson-accused-of-backtracking-on-workers-rights-pledge
All documented, all hot air
Any comment from Keith Sydney and the Labour Party ?
Any chance you can link that and I'll have a good butchers .
Thanks in advance .
You're extremely childish tyke for a serious subject, but then you don't have a substantive argument do you, tell me again about your life story and your journey to political enlightenment snooooooooooooore
I ask again Sydney because to be fair you are good at links .
Any word from the opposition on the P&O situation ?
Much appreciated any support you can link .
Thanks once again in advance .
Would you like a link from the Guardian that was born out of the Peterloo massacre or the one you read owned by millionaires ........ political enlightenment, yawn ............
You could address the issue Sydney instead of going all Peterloo of course .
I thought the dead cat strategy was a Tory thing .
Then again when you pyss in the same pot ??
Any progress on those Guardian links Sydney ?
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Kier Starmer ( on twitter) :
I’ve spoken with staff sacked by P&O Ferries. I’m furious for them and stand with them.
The Tories have created an environment where a bad employer thinks they have license to tear up staff contracts.
Labour will introduce a new deal for working people to make work more secure.
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Kier Starmer ( on twitter) :
I’ve spoken with staff sacked by P&O Ferries. I’m furious for them and stand with them.
The Tories have created an environment where a bad employer thinks they have license to tear up staff contracts.
Labour will introduce a new deal for working people to make work more secure.
And tyke of course and the rest of the enablers that helped to get them elected.
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Kier Starmer ( on twitter) :
I’ve spoken with staff sacked by P&O Ferries. I’m furious for them and stand with them.
The Tories have created an environment where a bad employer thinks they have license to tear up staff contracts.
Labour will introduce a new deal for working people to make work more secure.
I certainly hope so .
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Tyke on the path to political enlightenment ................
''Its heartening that your average Labour voter isn't swayed by the written media .
I mean for God sake like your average Tory voter or leaver is influenced by the Mail and Express .
Does this work only one way Hound ?
The Guardian is also owned by a tax dodging multi millionaire by the way .
Hypocrisy , who knew hound ?
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Kier Starmer ( on twitter) :
I’ve spoken with staff sacked by P&O Ferries. I’m furious for them and stand with them.
The Tories have created an environment where a bad employer thinks they have license to tear up staff contracts.
Labour will introduce a new deal for working people to make work more secure.
And tyke of course and the rest of the enablers that helped to get them elected.
You mean like those that did one to a sunnier climate .
Laughable fella .
" this country is done for "
Instead of sticking around you did one Sydney .
At least own it .
When your only friend is The Guardian at the other side of the world I mean c'mon fella .
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Tyke on the path to political enlightenment ................
''Its heartening that your average Labour voter isn't swayed by the written media .
I mean for God sake like your average Tory voter or leaver is influenced by the Mail and Express .
Does this work only one way Hound ?
The Guardian is also owned by a tax dodging multi millionaire by the way .
Hypocrisy , who knew hound ?
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I wouldn’t know Syd.
I’m neither a Tory voter or a leave theEU supporter.
Maybe you should ask someone who is.
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As a genuine LEAVER I wonder why it even matters to you.
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Tyke on the path to political enlightenment ................
''Its heartening that your average Labour voter isn't swayed by the written media .
I mean for God sake like your average Tory voter or leaver is influenced by the Mail and Express .
Does this work only one way Hound ?
The Guardian is also owned by a tax dodging multi millionaire by the way .
Hypocrisy , who knew hound ?
It has the makings of another Farrelly film
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Kier Starmer ( on twitter) :
I’ve spoken with staff sacked by P&O Ferries. I’m furious for them and stand with them.
The Tories have created an environment where a bad employer thinks they have license to tear up staff contracts.
Labour will introduce a new deal for working people to make work more secure.
And tyke of course and the rest of the enablers that helped to get them elected.
Given its been said many times on here that Corbyn was the main reason for not voting Labour last election will you agree that those in the Labour party who voted to elect Corbyn as leader share some of the responsibility as "Enablers" Syd?
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Looks like Starmer is on the right beam though and it's going to take a war in Europe to save the liar.
Those attempting to undermine Starmer will only enable a wash rinse and repeat cycle and produce the same as the title of the thread wouldn't you think Ldr?
Would you like to discuss the subject of the title Ldr?
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Looks like Starmer is on the right beam though and it's going to take a war in Europe to save the liar.
Those attempting to undermine Starmer will only enable a wash rinse and repeat cycle and produce the same as the title of the thread wouldn't you think Ldr?
Would you like to discuss the subject of the title Ldr?
You brought up the blame game Syd
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those that don't want to support labour will always find a reason aye Ldr?
Where does the blame game sit with the opposition?
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those that don't want to support labour will always find a reason aye Ldr?
Where does the blame game sit with the opposition?
The uncomfortable truth that you dont want to accept is that those who voted to make Corbyn leader of the Labour party share responsibility for enabling this despicable government. Thats all I am saying, as BST is fond of saying, accept responsibility for it. Life isnt as black and white (or red and blue) as you want to suggest
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I suggest you start another thread if you want to discuss corbyn and leave this one to the 'what is happening now' bit Ldr and other important matters
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I repeat Syd, you brought the accusations of enablers into this thread, don’t be too much of a coward to discuss what you started
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I repeat Syd, you brought the accusations of enablers into this thread, don’t be too much of a coward to discuss what you started
You want to tell me I should discuss anything political with someone with the loopy idea that all politicians are the same?
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You’re a coward, you bring something to the debate and run and hide when someone picks you up on it. You are Boris Johnson (or very Johnson like) and I claim my fiver.
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You’re a coward, you bring something to the debate and run and hide when someone picks you up on it. You are Boris Johnson (or very Johnson like) and I claim my fiver.
eat shit Ldr
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I’m not going to engage with you further, I respect posters that back their posts up whether I agree or not, you don’t and I don’t have time for cowards. Please don’t expect any further responses
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I’m not going to engage with you further, I respect posters that back their posts up whether I agree or not, you don’t and I don’t have time for cowards. Please don’t expect any further responses
This is the best thing I've heard since hound said the same Ldr would you like me to start a thread on the theories of why all politicians are the same? I asked you weeks ago.
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Ldr is right Syd. You were the one who flipped the subject of the thread. It is something that you regularly do and then blame others for.
Invariably you then shit your pants when challenged.
ATHM.
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Ldr is right Syd. You were the one who flipped the subject of the thread. It is something that you regularly do and then blame others for.
Invariably you then shit your pants when challenged.
ATHM.
Come on hound you take yourself much too seriously you know your the No1 shitster
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:welcome: Classic response.
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back on topic
''P&O Ferries told it could face unlimited fine if sackings unlawful''
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/mar/18/po-ferries-could-face-an-unlimited-fine-if-sackings-unlawful
The government could use this as an opportunity to make 'fire and rehire' unlawful as Kwarteng said 'to improve workers conditions', saving these jobs and making these changes could make them heroes for a change.
these are his words
''"I will say it again, there is no government plan to reduce workers' rights." Mr Kwarteng added he had repeatedly said that, outside the EU, Britain had an opportunity to raise standards''
Now is your chance, just do it.
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Ah, Sydney, but he didn't say for whom the raised standards were intended to benefit.
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Tyke.
Do you actually open your eyes and look before you criticise Labour?
Only you're starting to sound like a Twitter Bot that is programmed to have a pop at Labour in every issue, regardless of the facts.
Go and have a look yourself what Labour have said about this. It's out there. And there's this thing called the Internet that allows you to find it really quickly.
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They are being offered their jobs back though at the new lower rate
Fire and Rehire is immoral
Labour MP tabled a Bill to make it illegal
Tory MPs voted it down and Johnson said " thanks for the suggestion" but we think Companies should not be compelled by a Law but we can encourage them to comply instead
How's that going cnut ?
The Tory MP for Dover thought she'd go and join the protesters for some cheap and insincere publicity.
Insincere because she voted against the Hire and Refire Bill.
Obviously she thought her constituents would have conveniently forgotten this.
They hadn't.
It didn't go well for her!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0bY_OBD1dw
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Hope they remember that on GE day ... and remind her of how she became MP for Dover too
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Tyke.
Do you actually open your eyes and look before you criticise Labour?
Only you're starting to sound like a Twitter Bot that is programmed to have a pop at Labour in every issue, regardless of the facts.
Go and have a look yourself what Labour have said about this. It's out there. And there's this thing called the Internet that allows you to find it really quickly.
Nice bit of talking down there Billy , I can just imagine your finger wagging in my direction as you do so .
The fact I needed to ask the question in the first place tells you how much faith I personally have in Labour in matters such as these .
Now run along and go seek Murdoch's approval so you have half a chance of winning an election .
It worked before remember .
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So you haven't looked Tyke? Really? You've just automatically assumed?
The fact that you CHOOSE to ask the question in the first place after choosing not to inform yourself says far, far more mate.
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So you haven't looked Tyke? Really? You've just automatically assumed?
The fact that you CHOOSE to ask the question in the first place after choosing not to inform yourself says far, far more mate.
Instead of digging me out why don't you look at what the Labour Party are or even have become once again .
Free market sycophants , Thatcher's children , her greatest achievement Tony Blair .
I shouldn't even have to do any research what so ever because automatically I should assume Labour would be on it .
The truth is I don't which says more about Keith than it ever does about me .
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Kier Starmer ( on twitter) :
I’ve spoken with staff sacked by P&O Ferries. I’m furious for them and stand with them.
The Tories have created an environment where a bad employer thinks they have license to tear up staff contracts.
Labour will introduce a new deal for working people to make work more secure.
Does that include Labour party staff....asking for a friend;
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-fire-and-rehire-keir-starmer-david-evans-b1889879.html
The pot and the kettle again!
Keith doesn't have a leg to stand on.
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They are being offered their jobs back though at the new lower rate
Fire and Rehire is immoral
Labour MP tabled a Bill to make it illegal
Tory MPs voted it down and Johnson said " thanks for the suggestion" but we think Companies should not be compelled by a Law but we can encourage them to comply instead
How's that going cnut ?
The Tory MP for Dover thought she'd go and join the protesters for some cheap and insincere publicity.
Insincere because she voted against the Hire and Refire Bill.
Obviously she thought her constituents would have conveniently forgotten this.
They hadn't.
It didn't go well for her!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0bY_OBD1dw
This horrible situation isn't funny in the least but her chanting along with "shame on you" until she realises the chant is directed at her is f**king hilarious. Talk about being detached from reality.
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Kier Starmer ( on twitter) :
I’ve spoken with staff sacked by P&O Ferries. I’m furious for them and stand with them.
The Tories have created an environment where a bad employer thinks they have license to tear up staff contracts.
Labour will introduce a new deal for working people to make work more secure.
Does that include Labour party staff....asking for a friend;
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-fire-and-rehire-keir-starmer-david-evans-b1889879.html
The pot and the kettle again!
Keith doesn't have a leg to stand on.
I guess you understand some of the reason's why the labour party has to spend oodles of money on litigation Albie and I would imagine that you have seen the contracts being discussed in a newspaper owned by whom?
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They are being offered their jobs back though at the new lower rate
Fire and Rehire is immoral
Labour MP tabled a Bill to make it illegal
Tory MPs voted it down and Johnson said " thanks for the suggestion" but we think Companies should not be compelled by a Law but we can encourage them to comply instead
How's that going cnut ?
The Tory MP for Dover thought she'd go and join the protesters for some cheap and insincere publicity.
Insincere because she voted against the Hire and Refire Bill.
Obviously she thought her constituents would have conveniently forgotten this.
They hadn't.
It didn't go well for her!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0bY_OBD1dw
Particularly joining in the shame on you chant before realising it was aimed at her
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Yes Syd, I do understand that Labour have acted unlawfully in relation to staff and must face the consequences, expensive as that will prove.
Keith is not in a position to criticise fire and rehire when he has been doing precisely that in his own party. This is one of the reasons for trade unions to reduce financial support.
The matter is covered in many publications, including those of the Labour Party such as Labour List.
The Independent article is included as a summary, and the ownership of that publication is nothing to the point. None of the content is disputed, is it?
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Yes Syd, I do understand that Labour have acted unlawfully in relation to staff and must face the consequences, expensive as that will prove.
Keith is not in a position to criticise fire and rehire when he has been doing precisely that in his own party. This is one of the reasons for trade unions to reduce financial support.
The matter is covered in many publications, including those of the Labour Party such as Labour List.
The Independent article is included as a summary, and the ownership of that publication is nothing to the point. None of the content is disputed, is it?
I had a quick look around albie to see if anyone else had covered the story that you posted about.
Clearly it isn’t a one trick pony by the Independant and there is no defence for the double standards.
It can only be defended by people wearing blinkers.
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Yes Syd, I do understand that Labour have acted unlawfully in relation to staff and must face the consequences, expensive as that will prove.
Keith is not in a position to criticise fire and rehire when he has been doing precisely that in his own party. This is one of the reasons for trade unions to reduce financial support.
The matter is covered in many publications, including those of the Labour Party such as Labour List.
The Independent article is included as a summary, and the ownership of that publication is nothing to the point. None of the content is disputed, is it?
And the bit about why they are tangled up in expensive legislation? which is why so many jobs have had to be made redundant, no?
Ooops ...............
''In October 2020, a report by the UK's human rights watchdog found Labour to be responsible for "unlawful" acts of harassment and discrimination during Jeremy Corbyn's four-and a-half years as party leader''
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45030552
And ................ show us the contracts of those fired and hired. Working from home is a bit of a damp squib during a pandemic wouldn't you think?
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Yes Syd, I do understand that Labour have acted unlawfully in relation to staff and must face the consequences, expensive as that will prove.
Keith is not in a position to criticise fire and rehire when he has been doing precisely that in his own party. This is one of the reasons for trade unions to reduce financial support.
The matter is covered in many publications, including those of the Labour Party such as Labour List.
The Independent article is included as a summary, and the ownership of that publication is nothing to the point. None of the content is disputed, is it?
And the bit about why they are tangled up in expensive legislation? which is why so many jobs have had to be made redundant, no?
Now your in two wrongs make a right territory Sydney .
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With almost universal condemnation of the sackings across parliament and Sunak chiming in too, the government will almost certainly bring in urgent legislation to prevent it happening again and to heavily sanction P&O for their actions.
As quickly as the government acted on second jobs for MPs I guess
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Sorry Syd, but I don't think you have understood what is going on here.
"And the bit about why they are tangled up in expensive legislation? which is why so many jobs have had to be made redundant, no?
Ooops ..............."
Err no, definitely not!
The Labour Party is NOT tangled up in expensive legislation.
Keith chose to ignore legal advice to Labour that the courts would support the party, and decided to settle out of court and incur costs by doing so.
Membership has fallen off a cliff, and with that subscriptions have reduced significantly.
Trade Union financial support has been withdrawn, and no new sources of income found to make up the shortfall.
The legal costs are yet to come, as those unlawfully dismissed and those illegally expelled from the Labour Party seek redress.
With regard to the anti-semitism claims, the delay in publishing the Forde Report speaks volumes about Starmer and unwelcome findings. I think if you read it (all 851 pages of it) you will see why Keith does not want it discussed.
Your final paragraph I assume is anti trade union;
"And ................ show us the contracts of those fired and hired. Working from home is a bit of a damp squib during a pandemic wouldn't you think?"
Contracts have to be respected. If the PandO staff have a good case, so also do Labour employees.
Are you saying Keith should treat these cases differently?....there is no difference in law as far as I am aware.
What is your point here?
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Sorry Syd, but I don't think you have understood what is going on here.
"And the bit about why they are tangled up in expensive legislation? which is why so many jobs have had to be made redundant, no?
Ooops ..............."
Err no, definitely not!
The Labour Party is NOT tangled up in expensive legislation.
Keith chose to ignore legal advice to Labour that the courts would support the party, and decided to settle out of court and incur costs by doing so.
Membership has fallen off a cliff, and with that subscriptions have reduced significantly.
Trade Union financial support has been withdrawn, and no new sources of income found to make up the shortfall.
The legal costs are yet to come, as those unlawfully dismissed and those illegally expelled from the Labour Party seek redress.
With regard to the anti-semitism claims, the delay in publishing the Forde Report speaks volumes about Starmer and unwelcome findings. I think if you read it (all 851 pages of it) you will see why Keith does not want it discussed.
Your final paragraph I assume is anti trade union;
"And ................ show us the contracts of those fired and hired. Working from home is a bit of a damp squib during a pandemic wouldn't you think?"
Contracts have to be respected. If the PandO staff have a good case, so also do Labour employees.
Are you saying Keith should treat these cases differently?....there is no difference in law as far as I am aware.
What is your point here?
If the labour party settled out of court then you nor I know what any court outcomes would be? settling out of court drew a line under a period where indecision was the order of the day under the leadership of corbyn and allowed Starmer to get on with the job of taking it up to the tories. The problem was even with all those members that worshipped cobyn they were trashed, which tells me labour were going 180 degrees in the wrong direction to oust the tories. Unfortunately people saw a lying, philandering, cowardly, racist dilettante as a better option.
Labour with the able assistance of Unite was absolutely trashed at the last election please never forget this in your dissertations about Starmer who has despite the war still has labour's nose in front.
There are findings against the labour party regarding antisemitism under corbyn, has there been any findings against the labour party under Starmer that are not related to the corbyn era or any at all?
My point is that you take any opportunity to trash Starmer and yet so far under the most trying times he has put labour in with a smell of recovering from the damage done under corbyn. And despite all this I would still have voted against a conservative government.
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Indian agency workers hired to replace P&O Ferries crews in Dover are being paid £1.81 an hour, a union claims.This is shocking if true
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It was on the news Rich, They give them 6 month contracts ,put them on the Ferries and they work them on 12 hour shifts 7 days a week for the 6 months. Pretty much the same is happening on every ship in the worlds merchant navy fleets. If you look at most ships they are crewed by folks from the poorer regions of the world.
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Dead simple solution to this. Don't use P&O.
We've used them most summers to travel over to Europe to see family. They can f**k right off now. I'd rather swim across.
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P&O owners set to receive £50M of UK taxpayers money supporting their interests in Freeports
They should never get anywhere near this money
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/mar/21/po-ferries-owner-to-benefit-from-at-least-50m-of-uk-freeport-scheme
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P&O need to be driven out of business, hit the owners in the pocket
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They will go bust as we won't be able to export soon ... too expensive
Won't be able to import food etc ... too expensive
Won't be any passengers heading to France Belgium etc ... can't stay more than 90 days in a 180 day period
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;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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If P&O are not a UK registered company, was there anything that our government could have done to prevent this horrendous situation that put so many people out of work.
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Paul Scully, Business Minister, on tv this morning:
Reid: Did you vote to ban fire and rehire?
Scully: There wasn't a vote
Reid: There was a vote, other Tory MPs voted against it
Scully: There was no vote
https://twitter.com/ukiswitheu/status/1506190013838548992
Here are the results of the vote that didn't happen (211 for - 0 against)
https://twitter.com/aunty_shirley/status/1506196198520152067
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Here's the official Parliamentary record of the vote that the minister says never happened
https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division/1253
I've been saying for years that there was a creeping move in the Tory party towards normalising outright lying over matters of objective truth.
It's not creeping anymore. It is rampant. They have realised that being truthful no longer matters, because enough people just blame all politicians for not being truthful.
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Here's the official Parliamentary record of the vote that the minister says never happened
https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division/1253
I've been saying for years that there was a creeping move in the Tory party towards normalising outright lying over matters of objective truth.
It's not creeping anymore. It is rampant. They have realised that being truthful no longer matters, because enough people just blame all politicians for not being truthful.
Good find BST, it should always be brought to the attention of the voting public when the Gov tries to evade and deceive.
Can we have it on record or will it be a given that you will be as fervent and investigative when/if we have the next labour Gov in power.
After all we would all want the current Gov of the day to be held to account and hold the highest standards of integrity and decency after the shambles and corruption that this one has demonstrated on a daily basis.
Thanks in advance.
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Do P&O ferries think that this offer excuses them of the upset and anguish that the 800 seafarers have had to endure over this brutal episode.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/mar/22/po-to-pay-365m-in-compensation-to-800-sacked-workers
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DD.
I will always decry anyone who outright lies on matters of objective truth.
Always have. Always will. It's my nature.
But this genuinely hasn't happened before. Politicians have always spun and put the best gloss on things. Tried to bury stuff that didn't help. That was normal.
But they didn't outright lie.
If they were caught doing that, it was the end of their career.
I saw this starting to change 9-10 years ago. Cameron was officially written to by the head of the National Audit Office and told to stop quoting factually wrong statistics about the economy. Javid early in his career was on TV outright lying about the Austerity policy. These weren't opinions that you could squint at and say, yeah, there's a case to be made there. They were lies. Pure and simple.
And the end of the road is that you have a PM who lies as easily as he breathes. You have Javid telling us that what we all heard with our own ears never happened. You have Scilly insisting that a vote that anyone can check in 5 seconds, never happened.
It is genuinely terrifying how ingrained this rejection of Objective Truth is on the Right. It's a simple fact that the problem does not exist to anything like that extent on the Left. If it did, I would call it out every time. If you know of some examples, tell me.
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DD.
I will always decry anyone who outright lies on matters of objective truth.
Always have. Always will. It's my nature.
But this genuinely hasn't happened before. Politicians have always spun and put the best gloss on things. Tried to bury stuff that didn't help. That was normal.
But they didn't outright lie.
If they were caught doing that, it was the end of their career.
I saw this starting to change 9-10 years ago. Cameron was officially written to by the head of the National Audit Office and told to stop quoting factually wrong statistics about the economy. Javid early in his career was on TV outright lying about the Austerity policy. These weren't opinions that you could squint at and say, yeah, there's a case to be made there. They were lies. Pure and simple.
And the end of the road is that you have a PM who lies as easily as he breathes. You have Javid telling us that what we all heard with our own ears never happened. You have Scilly insisting that a vote that anyone can check in 5 seconds, never happened.
It is genuinely terrifying how ingrained this rejection of Objective Truth is on the Right. It's a simple fact that the problem does not exist to anything like that extent on the Left. If it did, I would call it out every time. If you know of some examples, tell me.
There was a post from Albie posted a couple of days ago in this thread about the labour party and its issues with employment law, i don't know if you missed it, it does shed some light on the operational integrity of Mr Starmer.
Quote from: foxbat on March 18, 2022, 10:01:18 pm
Kier Starmer ( on twitter) :
I’ve spoken with staff sacked by P&O Ferries. I’m furious for them and stand with them.
The Tories have created an environment where a bad employer thinks they have license to tear up staff contracts.
Labour will introduce a new deal for working people to make work more secure.
Does that include Labour party staff....asking for a friend;
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-fire-and-rehire-keir-starmer-david-evans-b1889879.html
The pot and the kettle again!
Keith doesn't have a leg to stand on.
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Can you point out where Starmer has lied about an issue of Objective Truth?
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Can you point out where Starmer has lied about an issue of Objective Truth?
Yep your right, i should of made it clear i wasn't posting this in regard to objective truth but on the broader question of integrity and decency in politics specific to a party leader, i assume you find that kind of behavior deceitful? and you would question the morals of that individual?
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I don't ever claim that any politician is perfect. It's a dirty game.
Churchill unquestionably caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Indians in WWII and authorised war crimes over Dresden and Hamburg. Does that mean he shouldn't have been our war leader?
Attlee's Govt might have founded the Welfare State, but they presided over some bestial colonial fighting.
No politician is perfect. Expecting moral perfection in every decision is childish. You vote for the least bad.
In this case, you are repeating contested allegations about Starmer that come from a very clear aim of the Far Left to take him down for being the Anti-Jeremy. If it's true, and I have no idea if it is because it's hard to keep up with the allegations the Left throw at him, then it makes me think less of him, unquestionably.
But I am talking about something far more fundamental. Relationship with truth.
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I see, so its not a case that we hold all our political leaders to the highest standards of integrity and decency just the ones we don't particularly like.
This starts to build a picture of a leader who fronts up as one thing but is very adapt at being something else. When we take what we know about the labour leader and add his past history as DPP we start to see someone who competence in the role looks like something that is desirable if not essential.
Still if were voting for the last bad then everything will be rosy.
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DD
The most basic level is whether politicians are prepared to lie about Objective Truth as a matter of course. Nothing else compares to that. Everything else is on a spectrum of (un)acceptability. Part of the messy space between ideals and reality.
Absolutely, you hold politicians to task if they fall below the standards of moral behaviour you think acceptable. But if a politician and a party normalises straight out lying, and they get away with that, then democracy is dead. Because you cannot hold a party to account if you don't start off from a framework of established truths.
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By the way. You ALWAYS vote for the least bad option. Because all of politics and all politicians are flawed. As I say, it's childish to expect perfection in all things from any politician. There is ALWAYS something to disagree with and dislike about any politician. Or any human being for that matter.
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I see, so its not a case that we hold all our political leaders to the highest standards of integrity and decency just the ones we don't particularly like.
This starts to build a picture of a leader who fronts up as one thing but is very adapt at being something else. When we take what we know about the labour leader and add his past history as DPP we start to see someone who competence in the role looks like something that is desirable if not essential.
Still if were voting for the last bad then everything will be rosy.
The current PM has been sacked twice for lying and was recorded on tape conspiring with an old school friend to beat up a journalist. He then won a landslide majority at the last election.
It seems 'holding our political leaders to the highest standards of decency and integrity' is not that high up on the agenda of the majority of British voters. Unless they can use it to attack the Labour leader (whoever it is).
I can't say I am all that thrilled by Starmer's policies or leadership style, but as far as I understand he (or actually the people who run Labour head office) have worked with the unions throughout the redundancy process. So it has been done properly. Maybe if they courted a few more oligarch donors then they wouldn't have the financial issues they have.
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I do believe we all agree that the current iPM is a dead loss and nobody in their right mind would stand up for his actions.
But this does pose the question, just what do the public think of the opposition when they would rather vote in such an abomination as Johnson.
If the Labour Party cannot stop it’s infighting, select an electable leader and present some coherent and plausible policy’s then just what is the point of them as an official opposition when they enable an individual like Johnson to preside Scot frree.
In this situation least bad is no choice at all.
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DD
Do you really think Starmer's and Johnson's failings are comparable?
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I do believe we all agree that the current iPM is a dead loss and nobody in their right mind would stand up for his actions.
But this does pose the question, just what do the public think of the opposition when they would rather vote in such an abomination as Johnson.
If the Labour Party cannot stop it’s infighting, select an electable leader and present some coherent and plausible policy’s then just what is the point of them as an official opposition when they enable an individual like Johnson to preside Scot frree.
In this situation least bad is no choice at all.
And of course the worst traits of his personality were well know to everyone before the election, through through election and post election but there remains fairly large cohort that give him their support either directly or indirectly.
By the way did you open the link kindly provided by Albie, was there any detail within, any more than allegations?
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I know it's hard to keep up but here is a run down on the lebedev-johnson love in and of course the ownership of two London papers which is apparently 'inconsequential'
''THE JOHNSON-LEBEDEV LETTERS A Back-Channel to Vladimir Putin?''
Stick with it, it's very interesting.
https://bylinetimes.com/2022/03/12/boris-johnson-evgeny-lebedev-russia-ukraine-kgb-evening-standard/
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Syd,
Just to be clear, are you saying that recruiting staff on temporary contracts, with reduced terms and conditions, to replace proper union staff posts is an OK thing for Labour to do?
Still struggling to see why this is all right, but P&O is not,,,,surely both are wrong!
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Syd,
Just to be clear, are you saying that recruiting staff on temporary contracts, with reduced terms and conditions, to replace proper union staff posts is an OK thing for Labour to do?
Still struggling to see why this is all right, but P&O is not,,,,surely both are wrong!
Im betting big bucks that the emigrant somhow will again manage to sway this thread around to his love in with Johnson and away from your reply.
Just a wild stab in the dark here!
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Syd,
Just to be clear, are you saying that recruiting staff on temporary contracts, with reduced terms and conditions, to replace proper union staff posts is an OK thing for Labour to do?
Still struggling to see why this is all right, but P&O is not,,,,surely both are wrong!
No I'm not saying it's right, but the proof of what PO have done is there for all to see, show me what labour have actually done.
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Yes Syd, I do understand that Labour have acted unlawfully in relation to staff and must face the consequences, expensive as that will prove.
Keith is not in a position to criticise fire and rehire when he has been doing precisely that in his own party. This is one of the reasons for trade unions to reduce financial support.
The matter is covered in many publications, including those of the Labour Party such as Labour List.
The Independent article is included as a summary, and the ownership of that publication is nothing to the point. None of the content is disputed, is it?
I had a quick look around albie to see if anyone else had covered the story that you posted about.
Clearly it isn’t a one trick pony by the Independant and there is no defence for the double standards.
It can only be defended by people wearing blinkers.
Or this
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The boss of P&O has declined to answer and say if he will receive a bonus this year
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The boss of P&O has declined to answer and say if he will receive a bonus this year
He should have declined to answer all the questions given by the snippets on the radio, what a disaster. How anyone would ever use P&O again after that performance - words fail me.
Be very interesting to see if the government do follow through and take them to court, as Johnson promised.
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Wilts, people will still use them, especially if their prices are attractive.
It is human nature.
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Wilts, people will still use them, especially if their prices are attractive.
It is human nature.
I'm sure the french boats will have this in mind and try to undercut them.
Ill be sure to fly or train it over than use P&O or the frogs.
The competition will be good for these shysters.
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I have a credit note with P&O that has been held over since we had a service cancelled in the first COVID summer. It's basically a free sailing. But there's no way I'm using their services. Not now. Not ever. Not even if it is a free pass. I'll write and tell them
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Brittany Ferries or Tunnel for me
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tragi-funny
P&O Ferries boss Peter Hebblethwaite urged to resign by Grant Shapps
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Yes ... Shapps outraged at the brazen way P&O CEO broke the law and said he should resign immediately (poured loads of scorn on him etc)
However what he tries to forget , when elected as an MP the Rules or Law forbade them to have a 2nd job but Shapps had a 2nd job and did not want to give it up
He took his efforts to keep the second job secret by using second identities and Michael Green and Sebastian Fox were 2 of them
However a Constituent grassed him up but could not prove it and Shapps almost ruined the Constituent and made his Solicitors make the bloke apologise in Papers . They even wrote the letter for him so it matched exactly what Shapps wanted it to say even though they knew the accuser was 100% right.
Then Shapps was rumbled when he posed as Michael Green wearing a Badge with Michael Green on it. He was outed and when challenged on Telly he stormed off but later said " he was ONLY guilty of over firmly denying he had a second job " NOT that he was a lying law breaking git
He gave up the second job and later became Conservative Party Chairman and currently is Sec of State for Transport where he has just called for the CEO law breaker at P&O to resign or be sacked
Hypocrite !
I still don't know what became of the truth telling constituent.
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It truly is a sign of the times that a con man and a bully like Shapps is in the Cabinet.
I wonder how many of the "All politicians are the same" mob could name a senior figure in any other party who set up a company under a false name, taking money from people for get-rich-quick tips that included advice on how to plagiarise others' work and how to set up pyramid schemes. Then didn't declare this in the Commons Register of Interests. Then threatened punitive legal action against a constituent who smoked him out.
But yeah. They are all the same, these politicians.
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He's a vile character as a Politician and I tweeted again today how he's been on Telly hundreds of times sat in his staged room
He has his 2 flags of course but today he added a Ukraine one
He always has his Red Despatch Box on his desk like we don't know he's a SInister (sic) and it's always open to demonstrate "he's working"
Then there is always a Book facing the Camera with Grant Shapps written large on the cover
The first 2 are pathetic and laughable .... The 3rd is only to remind HIM who he is
I think I despise him more than Pinocchio Johnson (as Politicians as I don't know them personally of course)
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It truly is a sign of the times that a con man and a bully like Shapps is in the Cabinet.
I wonder how many of the "All politicians are the same" mob could name a senior figure in any other party who set up a company under a false name, taking money from people for get-rich-quick tips that included advice on how to plagiarise others' work and how to set up pyramid schemes. Then didn't declare this in the Commons Register of Interests. Then threatened punitive legal action against a constituent who smoked him out.
But yeah. They are all the same, these politicians.
Grant Shapps is a proper nasty weasel of a man and unfortunately a shining example of the makeup of Johnson's cabinet. He typifies failing MP's that always manage to find themselves back in a job which they can never hope to achieve any great distinction in, this government is full to the brim of these types.
I do have an anecdote of a Labour minister who managed to rip of the state with his bogus mortgage payments and did a spell inside for his trouble. Mr E Morley who had the brazen face to come and open a new depot office of ours in Scunthorpe, all happy and smiling, telling us how times where hard for him, us and his party but they would struggle on and make it better for everyone whilst all the time he was on the fiddle with his bogus claims for a mortgage that had been long payed off.
Not as striking an example as the god awful Shapps and lots of MP's from both sides did even worse than this but to me it felt like he conned us into believing he was an honest and regular guy.It's not so bad to you personally when you don't really know them like Shapps but when you are passing the time of day with them it feels personal and he's taking the pi*s.
PS, we stuck his opening nameplate in the skip.
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DD.
You'll doubtless be aware that the odious Morley was suspended by the Labour party as soon as the news of his alleged (at the time - proven later) theft came to light. And he was pressures into stepping down at the next election.
Compare and contrast with Shapps's career trajectory AFTER his time as a con man and an attempted bully.
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And of course we learn that Shapps was actually told of imminent restructuring last November.
800 jobs lost to the UK, permanently, unlikely anything will be done to save that bit.
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What he said:
We will not sit by, because under section 194 of the Trade Union and Labour Relations Act of 1992 it looks to me as though the company concerned has broken the law, and we will be taking action.
We will take them to court, we will defend the rights of British workers.
P&O plainly aren’t going to get away with it any more than any other company that treat its employees in that scandalous way
Alexander de Pfeffell Johnson at PMQ's 23rd March 2022
What they did:
The government are not in a position to take court action.
Grant Shapps, Transport Secretary in HoC 30th March 2022 in answer to a question by Labour as to why the government were not doing what Johnson had promised they would.
https://twitter.com/ITVJoel/status/1509168095402897410?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Do we know why the government is not in a position to take action? are P&O using the fact that they discussed it with Schatts more than 3 months ago?
Next to come will be that the government are not going to enforce minimum wages on ships in British ports.
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Do we know why the government is not in a position to take action? are P&O using the fact that they discussed it with Schatts more than 3 months ago?
Next to come will be that the government are not going to enforce minimum wages on ships in British ports.
Serious question for anyone who might know:
Can the government enforce minimum wage payments on ships that are not registered here.
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Correction:
why would a minister say this if it wasn't possible?
''UK to block ferries that don't pay seafarers a minimum wage
Transport secretary seeks disqualification of controversial P&O Ferries chief executive and instructs ports to refuse access to ferry companies that pay below the land jobs threshold''
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With almost universal condemnation of the sackings across parliament and Sunak chiming in too, the government will almost certainly bring in urgent legislation to prevent it happening again and to heavily sanction P&O for their actions.
As quickly as the government acted on second jobs for MPs I guess
And here it is, not hard to predict at all ............
''Government dropping employment bill would ‘betray’ workers, says TUC
Unions have been pressing for promised bill to be brought forward after sacking of hundreds of P&O staff''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/01/government-dropping-employment-bill-would-betray-workers-says-tuc
tory playbook kick it down the road as far as you can
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Do we know why the government is not in a position to take action? are P&O using the fact that they discussed it with Schatts more than 3 months ago?
Next to come will be that the government are not going to enforce minimum wages on ships in British ports.
Serious question for anyone who might know:
Can the government enforce minimum wage payments on ships that are not registered here.
Isn't that why people voted for Brexit - so they could take back sovereignty and be goverened by laws the UK Parliament make?
Maybe at the next election they will hold them to account for the ones they dont make.
Although I suggest there might be different clauses for international freight or cruise ships, docking irreguarly, and a daily ferry service.
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Do we know why the government is not in a position to take action? are P&O using the fact that they discussed it with Schatts more than 3 months ago?
Next to come will be that the government are not going to enforce minimum wages on ships in British ports.
Serious question for anyone who might know:
Can the government enforce minimum wage payments on ships that are not registered here.
Isn't that why people voted for Brexit - so they could take back sovereignty and be goverened by laws the UK Parliament make?
Maybe at the next election they will hold them to account for the ones they dont make.
Although I suggest there might be different clauses for international freight or cruise ships, docking irreguarly, and a daily ferry service.
I’m not sure that most people who voted for Brexit gave a second thought to what might be the case with wages for workers coming here on a foreign registered ship wilts.
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Do we know why the government is not in a position to take action? are P&O using the fact that they discussed it with Schatts more than 3 months ago?
Next to come will be that the government are not going to enforce minimum wages on ships in British ports.
Serious question for anyone who might know:
Can the government enforce minimum wage payments on ships that are not registered here.
Isn't that why people voted for Brexit - so they could take back sovereignty and be goverened by laws the UK Parliament make?
Maybe at the next election they will hold them to account for the ones they dont make.
Although I suggest there might be different clauses for international freight or cruise ships, docking irreguarly, and a daily ferry service.
I’m not sure that most people who voted for Brexit gave a second thought to what might be the case with wages for workers coming here on a foreign registered ship wilts.
I understand they voted for the laws that governed work and workers in this country to be made in this country. That's what they told me on here.
Now either they were wrong - the laws that govern work and workers in the UK cannot be made in the UK - or the government does not wish to enforce a minimum wage law on all shipping/ferries that dock in the UK.
That's the answer to your earlier question.
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Do we know why the government is not in a position to take action? are P&O using the fact that they discussed it with Schatts more than 3 months ago?
Next to come will be that the government are not going to enforce minimum wages on ships in British ports.
Serious question for anyone who might know:
Can the government enforce minimum wage payments on ships that are not registered here.
Isn't that why people voted for Brexit - so they could take back sovereignty and be goverened by laws the UK Parliament make?
Maybe at the next election they will hold them to account for the ones they dont make.
Although I suggest there might be different clauses for international freight or cruise ships, docking irreguarly, and a daily ferry service.
I’m not sure that most people who voted for Brexit gave a second thought to what might be the case with wages for workers coming here on a foreign registered ship wilts.
I understand they voted for the laws that governed work and workers in this country to be made in this country. That's what they told me on here.
Now either they were wrong - the laws that govern work and workers in the UK cannot be made in the UK - or the government does not wish to enforce a minimum wage law on all shipping/ferries that dock in the UK.
That's the answer to your earlier question.
The strange thing is though wilts that the majority of people I know, leading up to the vote, who were in favour of Brexit, told me they wanted to get back control of our borders.
I don’t recall them saying much, if anything, about other things.
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How about sovereignty and whatever that means about making our own rules.
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People voted for a better life, better than Austerity. They voted for what they were told they would get, a much better NHS, all the good jobs they could want as there would no foreigners here taking the best ones and 'stealing' all the welfare money, a prosperous country with plenty for everyone, trade deals coming out of your backside and sovrenty.
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And this leaflet provided by Branton is a much easier message to absorb especially with Austerity and people actually starving to death with cuts to everything, why wouldn't those in this position vote for the sunny uplands.
1. A well funded NHS
2. take back control of laws (sovrenty)
3. A fairer immigration system, keeping the attractive coloured doctors but stopping the 'nasty Turks'
4. Trade deals everywhere and again taking back control.
5. A safer choice, stop the imaginary subsidising of the EU.
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/voteleave/pages/2318/attachments/original/1458915760/Vote_Leave_8pg_leaflet_print.pdf?1458915760
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And this leaflet provided by Branton is a much easier message to absorb especially with Austerity and people actually starving to death with cuts to everything, why wouldn't those in this position vote for the sunny uplands.
1. A well funded NHS
2. take back control of laws (sovrenty)
3. A fairer immigration system, keeping the attractive coloured doctors but stopping the 'nasty Turks'
4. Trade deals everywhere and again taking back control.
5. A safer choice, stop the imaginary subsidising of the EU.
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/voteleave/pages/2318/attachments/original/1458915760/Vote_Leave_8pg_leaflet_print.pdf?1458915760
Oi Sydney - go find your own material ;)
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And this leaflet provided by Branton is a much easier message to absorb especially with Austerity and people actually starving to death with cuts to everything, why wouldn't those in this position vote for the sunny uplands.
1. A well funded NHS
2. take back control of laws (sovrenty)
3. A fairer immigration system, keeping the attractive coloured doctors but stopping the 'nasty Turks'
4. Trade deals everywhere and again taking back control.
5. A safer choice, stop the imaginary subsidising of the EU.
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/voteleave/pages/2318/attachments/original/1458915760/Vote_Leave_8pg_leaflet_print.pdf?1458915760
Oi Sydney - go find your own material ;)
this is 'big society' at work, where we're all in it together, helping each other ;)
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''P&O Ferries owner DP World loses status as partner in Solent freeport
Exclusive: ministers confirm Emirati logistics giant no longer has central role after anger at sacking of 800 workers''
''The government has come under heavy pressure for its handling of employment rights and the role of DP World in critical UK infrastructure after P&O Ferries fired 800 crew members without consultation last month. The firm’s boss admitted to MPs the company broke the law on giving notice because “no union could accept our proposals”.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/apr/07/po-owner-dp-world-loses-status-as-partner-in-solent-freeport#:~:text=P%26O%20Ferries%20owner%20DP%20World%20loses%20status%20as%20partner%20in%20Solent%20freeport,-Exclusive%3A%20ministers%20confirm&text=The%20Dubai%2Dbased%20owner%20of,of%20800%20workers%20last%20month.
The government didn't change legislation to stop fire & rehire, then they said they would take them to court, now they try to look like they are doing something, but have they changed the law to stop fire & rehire is there any intention to do so?
There is nothing more clumsy than an embarrassed government aye.
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Summat going very wrong at p and o.
Yesterday they said Dover - Calais would be back up and running this weekend.
Today they have suspended all sailings this weekend. Telling customers to book elsewhere!!!
Thats allegedly 40,000 bookings.
And just who else do they go to?
Eurotunnel full.
Stena line full.