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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Filo on April 09, 2022, 05:33:10 pm
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Head and shoulders above anyone out there again, him and Clayton are starting to show some quality together, far too late mind
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Head and shoulders above anyone out there again, him and Clayton are starting to show some quality together, far too late mind
Clayton much better today, he looks to have toned up a bit since he first got here.
Bostock could easily play top half Championship he makes everything look so simple. If we had a striker who knew how to make the right runs Bossy would find him all day long. Let's hope we take up the option to extend his Contract.
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Is that right ? We have an option to prolong his contract ?
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Option or not, he’s not going to be playing in League Two next season. Won’t happen.
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Taking into account the opposition, we finally look we have a midfield that teams can't walk through, Clayton & Bostock were excellent today. Seems an age since we won, well done Rovers.
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Clayton has some bite about him.
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Special mention to Clayton. He’s been good the last two weeks. Galbraith instead of Smith next week please.
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That’s only the second time Clayton has completed 90 minutes in the last 16 months.
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Option or not, he’s not going to be playing in League Two next season. Won’t happen.
I said that about Tommy Rowe but he signed. Bossy certainly looks like he's enjoying his football here so who knows!
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That’s only the second time Clayton has completed 90 minutes in the last 16 months.
He looked alot leaner today and seemed to last the pace a bit better, get a pre season into him and he could be really important for us next season.
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Option or not, he’s not going to be playing in League Two next season. Won’t happen.
I said that about Tommy Rowe but he signed. Bossy certainly looks like he's enjoying his football here so who knows!
I hear you but he’s come back to the English game and proved he can play, and is now starting to complete 90 minutes again. He will sign for a good League One side next season. Not sure a Championship side would be convinced about him yet. Potentially though. Cannot see him trudging around in League Two next season, at his age.
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That’s only the second time Clayton has completed 90 minutes in the last 16 months.
He looked alot leaner today and seemed to last the pace a bit better, get a pre season into him and he could be really important for us next season.
Clayton is starting to look like the player I was hoping he would be. He will be our anchor man in midfield next season. Bostock certainly has a pass in him but wish he had some legs. He passes and stand stills.
If he had the energy of Galbraith or Smith he would be a top Championship midfielder.
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That’s only the second time Clayton has completed 90 minutes in the last 16 months.
He looked alot leaner today and seemed to last the pace a bit better, get a pre season into him and he could be really important for us next season.
Clayton is starting to look like the player I was hoping he would be. He will be our anchor man in midfield next season. Bostock certainly has a pass in him but wish he had some legs. He passes and stand stills.
If he had the energy of Galbraith or Smith he would be a top Championship midfielder.
He doesn't stand still, he offers an option as a pass back to recycle the ball. He's a playmaker not a box to box midfielder who makes runs into the box.
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Clayton/Rowe/Bostock/Smith were epic today -if we had played a few more games showing that level of grit and physicality who knows where we would be.
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Whilst I agree they looked good today, it was against a team who were utter dog poo, and that is being kind…
Let’s hope for some confidence in the win, and we end the season on a relative high.
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Clayton/Rowe/Bostock/Smith were epic today -if we had played a few more games showing that level of grit and physicality who knows where we would be.
Unfortunately without a proven goalscorer in the team all season I fear we would still be in the lower reaches of the league. Whatever happens we must get at least 1 striker who can hit the net regularly. I think we should try for Armstrong from Harrogate!
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Clayton/Rowe/Bostock/Smith were epic today -if we had played a few more games showing that level of grit and physicality who knows where we would be.
Unfortunately without a proven goalscorer in the team all season I fear we would still be in the lower reaches of the league. Whatever happens we must get at least 1 striker who can hit the net regularly. I think we should try for Armstrong from Harrogate!
Decent player at League 2 level. I assume he is still under contract for another season. If not he would be a good shout. Think we should be able to beat Harrogate on wages !!!
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Even if isn’t keen on playing in league 2 next season, we have to take up the option of the extra year on his contract and then sell him if we receive a worthwhile offer for him. He’s a class player. Makes everything look so easy.
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I don’t know whether we have an option or not, but the option is unlikely to be as straightforward as we want it, we get it. There is nothing in that for the player to agree to in the first place unless there is something in it for them, eg if they are in same league, or a salary increase, or a million other potential caveats. It’s not just a one way street otherwise a player would never agree to that as they are giving up something without getting anything back in return. Whether we have an option or not, there is no way Bostock will be playing in League Two next season. Won’t happen.
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Could easily play top half of the championship? Against bottom of the league he looked average. We are where we are and he's not made any difference to results.
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I’d wager we’ve done better with him in the dude than without
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I’d wager we’ve done better with him in the dude than without
Why is that dickos? Is that because we might be solid bottom without him? Tonight's entertainment has arrived ladies and gents. Dickos has entered the room
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Could easily play top half of the championship? Against bottom of the league he looked average. We are where we are and he's not made any difference to results.
You can spot a player cant you ditch!
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Somewhere i must have missed something.
Our "best " were just average and some of the other players were dire.
Thank goodness Crewe were bloody aweful
I think some supporters are blinkered and cant see most passes are terrible.
and the players including Bostok, how many times did we also hear"SHOOT"?
Nice to see when they rarely did though.
Again many seemed to stop just before the penalty box.
I think they have a problem maybe going to far over the half way line they think they will get a nose bleed.
Ok a win is a win, too little too late?
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Somewhere i must have missed something.
Our "best " were just average and some of the other players were dire.
Thank goodness Crewe were bloody aweful
I think some supporters are blinkered and cant see most passes are terrible.
and the players including Bostok, how many times did we also hear"SHOOT"?
Nice to see when they rarely did though.
Again many seemed to stop just before the penalty box.
I think they have a problem maybe going to far over the half way line they think they will get a nose bleed.
Ok a win is a win, too little too late?
19 shots in total - 9 on target is not too shabby in any game!!
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Somewhere i must have missed something.
Our "best " were just average and some of the other players were dire.
Thank goodness Crewe were bloody aweful
I think some supporters are blinkered and cant see most passes are terrible.
and the players including Bostok, how many times did we also hear"SHOOT"?
Nice to see when they rarely did though.
Again many seemed to stop just before the penalty box.
I think they have a problem maybe going to far over the half way line they think they will get a nose bleed.
Ok a win is a win, too little too late?
19 shots in total - 9 on target is not too shabby in any game!!
many easily dealt with by blocking or their wounded (nosebleed) keeper
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I think there were two in the same scramble in the first half that came close. Other than the goals I don’t really remember any looking like a goal though.
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Big shout out also to the clearly mentally disturbed gent in west stand who the moment Mipo stepped on the pitch stood up and shouted “GET OFF YOU SHIT f**kING Kitson”. Genuinely these people do exist and can seemingly travel around town despite their knuckles dragging on the floor constantly.
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Big shout out also to the clearly mentally disturbed gent in west stand who the moment Mipo stepped on the pitch stood up and shouted “GET OFF YOU SHIT f**kING Kitson”. Genuinely these people do exist and can seemingly travel around town despite their knuckles dragging on the floor constantly.
Its a guy about 5 rows in front next to the step, close to the corner flag,
sadly he does that sort of thing often.
not that long ago he threatend someone who didnt like him swearing at one of our players as he came on as sub sat in a disabled seat next to me as , 2 stewards got involved and gave out a warning..didnt stop himthreatening verbally though and the guy next to me moved away.
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Big shout out also to the clearly mentally disturbed gent in west stand who the moment Mipo stepped on the pitch stood up and shouted “GET OFF YOU SHIT f**kING Kitson”. Genuinely these people do exist and can seemingly travel around town despite their knuckles dragging on the floor constantly.
Its a guy about 5 rows in front next to the step, close to the corner flag,
sadly he does that sort of thing often.
not that long ago he threatend someone who didnt like him swearing at one of our players as he came on as sub sat in a disabled seat next to me as , 2 stewards got involved and gave out a warning..didnt stop himthreatening verbally though and the guy next to me moved away.
Thought it was close to me but didn't hear exactly what he said. What a cock. Mipo did well when he came on, won nearly every header, had two decent shots.
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Somewhere i must have missed something.
Our "best " were just average and some of the other players were dire.
Thank goodness Crewe were bloody aweful
I think some supporters are blinkered and cant see most passes are terrible.
and the players including Bostok, how many times did we also hear"SHOOT"?
Nice to see when they rarely did though.
Again many seemed to stop just before the penalty box.
I think they have a problem maybe going to far over the half way line they think they will get a nose bleed.
Ok a win is a win, too little too late?
think your being very harsh today as there wasn’t any bad players,yes we could shoot more at times but a lot of times when fans shout it players are either 40 yards out or they haven’t even got the ball under control or has men on him
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I’d wager we’ve done better with him in the dude than without
Why is that dickos? Is that because we might be solid bottom without him? Tonight's entertainment has arrived ladies and gents. Dickos has entered the room
Just have a look at the games he’s started. Most of our better performances have been when he’s started.
And despite him Missing the majority of the season I’d imagine today was the 3rd/4th game we’ve won with him starting
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We’ve won 9 league games this season and John Bostock has started 3 of these (all at home: MK Dons, Cheltenham and Crewe). Of these, he managed 90 minutes in 2 of them (Cheltenham and Crewe). He didn’t appear in any of the other 6 league wins.
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But how many games has he started altogether, I’d imagine he’s only started 9/10 games all season, and we’ve won 3 of them.
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We’ve won 9 league games this season and John Bostock has started 3 of these (all at home: MK Dons, Cheltenham and Crewe). Of these, he managed 90 minutes in 2 of them (Cheltenham and Crewe). He didn’t appear in any of the other 6 league wins.
Staying fitnis the issue. He took a heavy tackle today, he'll be doubtful for Friday.
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But how many games has he started altogether, I’d imagine he’s only started 9/10 games all season, and we’ve won 3 of them.
This season Bostock has started 13 league games, with a further 4 league substitute appearances.
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But how many games has he started altogether, I’d imagine he’s only started 9/10 games all season, and we’ve won 3 of them.
This season Bostock has started 13 league games, with a further 4 league substitute appearances.
Ok so we’ve won 3 games out of 13 with him starting, as opposed to winning 6 games out of 29 without him starting.
Not a big difference but better all the same, which was my original point to ditch
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Bostock makes a massive difference. His influence is understated. He consistently keeps the ball. He makes those around him better. He just finds it hard to play a full season. Very intelligent, if he had used himself to his potential he would be in the premier league.
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He’s obviously very good but the number of wins is skewed by the Crewe game. Basically anyone involved was lucky enough to play the only team more abject than us.
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He’s obviously very good but the number of wins is skewed by the Crewe game. Basically anyone involved was lucky enough to play the only team more abject than us.
Barlow will be buzzing. Yet contributes zero.
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Yesterday was a tidy and deserved yet unspectacular win against a truly terrible side.
Maybe good for getting 90 minutes out of Clayton and Bostock, but there is little read across for the remaining games even if they are all dead rubbers for the opposing sides.
Another important datapoint is that we have not strung back to back league wins together since early March 2021 and certainly not at all this season.
Yesterday certainly wasn’t bad but given how poor the opposition were, you can’t see a huge amount to think we can definitely overturn that 13 month run on Friday.
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We’ve won 9 league games this season and John Bostock has started 3 of these (all at home: MK Dons, Cheltenham and Crewe). Of these, he managed 90 minutes in 2 of them (Cheltenham and Crewe). He didn’t appear in any of the other 6 league wins.
Averages of where Bostock has played 60+mins -
xG for - 1.09
xG against - 1.66
Shots for - 11
Shots against - 12.69
Averages when Bostock doesn't play at all -
xG for - 0.89
xG against - 1.96
Shots for - 7.93
Shots against - 14.46
Obviously depends on quality of opposition.
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These are the league games where he has played 60+ minutes this season:
Away at Sheff Wed - lost
Away at Accrington - lost
Home to Portsmouth - drew
Away at Rotherham - lost
Home to MK Dons - won
Home to Wycombe - lost
Away at Gillingham - lost
Home to Cheltenham - won
Home to Cambridge - drew
Away at Charlton - lost
Away at Wycombe - lost
Home to Crewe - won
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Good mixture there. Overall we're a better team offensively and defensively with him in the team, mainly just from keeping hold of possession more from his higher level of passing and quality positioning. He doesn't suddenly take us from the worst team in the league to the best team in the league, but no player would.
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Bostock is our best player. It’s obvious.
May as well close this thread now mods!
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Somewhere i must have missed something.
Our "best " were just average and some of the other players were dire.
Thank goodness Crewe were bloody aweful
I think some supporters are blinkered and cant see most passes are terrible.
and the players including Bostok, how many times did we also hear"SHOOT"?
Nice to see when they rarely did though.
Again many seemed to stop just before the penalty box.
I think they have a problem maybe going to far over the half way line they think they will get a nose bleed.
Ok a win is a win, too little too late?
19 shots in total - 9 on target is not too shabby in any game!!
many easily dealt with by blocking or their wounded (nosebleed) keeper
Shots that are blocked by defenders aren’t included in the shots on or off target stats.
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Somewhere i must have missed something.
Our "best " were just average and some of the other players were dire.
Thank goodness Crewe were bloody aweful
I think some supporters are blinkered and cant see most passes are terrible.
and the players including Bostok, how many times did we also hear"SHOOT"?
Nice to see when they rarely did though.
Again many seemed to stop just before the penalty box.
I think they have a problem maybe going to far over the half way line they think they will get a nose bleed.
Ok a win is a win, too little too late?
19 shots in total - 9 on target is not too shabby in any game!!
many easily dealt with by blocking or their wounded (nosebleed) keeper
Shots that are blocked by defenders aren’t included in the shots on or off target stats.
Sack the Stats person ...lol
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Bostock is a quality player for us, but sadly far too good to be a future player for us.
He'll probably end up at Swillsborough or Rotterdam Utd.
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He has missed alot of games through injury as well and has not scored a single goal ,someone with his talent should be scoring in this league
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What it does show is that we are very limited for good players if Bostock with his limited appearances through the season is our best player.
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That we have very largely been an incredibly poor side this season, and are rightly second bottom of League One?
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We have players that look good, but produce very little in goals and assists. We don’t have enough functional players.
Well done though on winning yesterday, hopefully brings confidence up. Bostock is one of those that should be producing goals and assists, quite regularly.
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We have players that look good, but produce very little in goals and assists. We don’t have enough functional players.
Well done though on winning yesterday, hopefully brings confidence up. Bostock is one of those that should be producing goals and assists, quite regularly.
Bostock averages 0.17 assist per game. That’s higher than anyone else. Josh Martin second with 0.15 and Ben Close third with 0.14.
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Wow. Forgot about Ben Close. Looking forward to seeing him back for the closing stages of our League Two play off push next season!
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Wow. Forgot about Ben Close. Looking forward to seeing him back for the closing stages of our League Two play off push next season!
Close will be a big player for us next season. He’s very good.
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Head and shoulders above anyone out there again, him and Clayton are starting to show some quality together, far too late mind
He played well and showed his range of passing. He was given plenty of space though by a poor team, it is when he is closed down when he can't impact the game.
Hopefully he can overcome that and still make an impression on the games.
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Does not score goals,like the rest of midfield end of
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I didn't see what others did in Clayton tbh. Steady & unspectacular with the ball, looked like a card waiting to happen without it, no mobility whatsoever. The best thing I can credit him with is lasting 90 minutes.
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He does have a bit of bite about him though. Something sadly lacking this season.
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I didn't see what others did in Clayton tbh. Steady & unspectacular with the ball, looked like a card waiting to happen without it, no mobility whatsoever. The best thing I can credit him with is lasting 90 minutes.
You say a card waiting to happen but he didn’t get booked and made a few very good tactical fouls. That’s a big part of the game in the middle of that midfield. He’s looked ok in the last couple of games. I was (and probably still am) as sceptical as anyone about signing him as well.
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I didn't see what others did in Clayton tbh. Steady & unspectacular with the ball, looked like a card waiting to happen without it, no mobility whatsoever. The best thing I can credit him with is lasting 90 minutes.
You say a card waiting to happen but he didn’t get booked and made a few very good tactical fouls. That’s a big part of the game in the middle of that midfield. He’s looked ok in the last couple of games. I was (and probably still am) as sceptical as anyone about signing him as well.
He pulled out of two "tackles" that had yellow written all over them, because he didn't have the pace to get to the ball
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Players of his quality with pace cost money.
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Players of his quality with pace cost money.
He had no real pace when he played in the Premier League.
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Bostock is our best player. It’s obvious.
May as well close this thread now mods!
He's certainly our most talented. But if you're going to use him, you need to set up the side to account for the fact that he's never going to put a shift in.
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Bostock is our best player. It’s obvious.
May as well close this thread now mods!
He's certainly our most talented. But if you're going to use him, you need to set up the side to account for the fact that he's never going to put a shift in.
How he ranks amongst the 6 senior midfielders we have used this season (Bostock, Smith, Galbraith, Gardner, Close and Clayton [very small sample]) for off the ball metrics (per 90mins)…
Tackles- 6th
Interceptions- 1st
Interceptions in opposition half- 1st
Regains- 1st
Blocks- 3rd
Challenges- 2nd
Aerial challenges- 1st
Defensive actions- 1st
Least errors leading to goals- 1st
That’s without mentioning his strengths…
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Bostock is our best player. It’s obvious.
May as well close this thread now mods!
He's certainly our most talented. But if you're going to use him, you need to set up the side to account for the fact that he's never going to put a shift in.
How he ranks amongst the 6 senior midfielders we have used this season (Bostock, Smith, Galbraith, Gardner, Close and Clayton [very small sample]) for off the ball metrics (per 90mins)…
Tackles- 6th
Interceptions- 1st
Interceptions in opposition half- 1st
Regains- 1st
Blocks- 3rd
Challenges- 2nd
Aerial challenges- 1st
Defensive actions- 1st
Least errors leading to goals- 1st
That’s without mentioning his strengths…
Wasn't he top of the interception stats for League 1 earlier in the season before he got injured. He is like a Rolls Royce in a Skoda garage thats how good he is for us!
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Best of an extremely limited bunch, for sure. But you're also dealing with a small sample in terms of his minutes on the pitch. Plus, those stats need to be considered in the context of the fact that of his 13 starts, 8 have come against lower half of the table sides (at the time we played them, or, in the case of the first couple or three games when the league table hadn't settled down, sides that spent most of the season below halfway).
Accrington
Portsmouth
Cambridge
Cheltenham
Charlton
Lincoln
Crewe
Gillingham
He's only made five starts against sides in the top half
Sheff Weds
MK Dons
Wycombe x2
Rotherham
He only finished 2 of those and was substituted with 25-30 minutes to go in the other three because he was blowing out of his arse.
In other words, his time on the pitch has been disproportionately against weaker sides in the division.
I agree he has a glorious football brain. But unless he can put that to use for 90 minutes on a regular basis, I really don't see him playing much higher than he is at the moment. He would be physically run off his feet in the Championship.
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DO ….. brilliant sir.
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He also won more headers in 90 minutes, than all the competition winners who've played upfront this season with all their minutes added together.
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Not sure what your point is DO.
I've agreed that Bostock is our most technically gifted player. But from a quick look at the numbers, he's played fewer than 400 minutes this season against the sides around the top end of the division, as opposed to getting on for three times that amount against lower table sides. My point is that his performance stats have to be viewed in that context.
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His numbers are slightly BETTER vs the sides in the top half when compared minute for minute. Our player ratings are modelled from about 150 data points. Positional average for his position is 6.49 (out of 10). He is +0.19 which is phenomenal really when you consider how far below average the team he is playing in is. Obviously the team performance has an affect on individual scores. To put that into context Tommy Rowe is -0.24 below average (slight room for discrepancy there as he’s played in multiple positions).
For further context Herbie Kane, who has been playing a similar deep playmaker role for Oxford, operating in a team that wins a lot of games rates +0.49 above average.
To add a further layer of context, the only player (19 of them in total) from one of the bottom 6 teams; that has started 10 or more games; that plays the same position and has a higher rating is Dan Batty at Fleetwood. +0.45 above average (likely to be helped by the fact he’s also scored a couple of goals vs Bostock none). Batty played 60 games in the championship in the two seasons prior to joining Fleetwood.
That’s enough about JB for one day it’s 4:30am and going to sleep may be the optimal option.
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Key point however is that we are getting relegated and he will not be with us in League Two next season. Enjoy or dismiss him while you can!
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BST of you look at his career he has played against opponents way above this level and excelled .
I find it hard to look beyond Sheff Wednesday for him this summer . Moore believes in him and there seems to be mutual respect .
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His numbers are slightly BETTER vs the sides in the top half when compared minute for minute. Our player ratings are modelled from about 150 data points. Positional average for his position is 6.49 (out of 10). He is +0.19 which is phenomenal really when you consider how far below average the team he is playing in is. Obviously the team performance has an affect on individual scores. To put that into context Tommy Rowe is -0.24 below average (slight room for discrepancy there as he’s played in multiple positions).
For further context Herbie Kane, who has been playing a similar deep playmaker role for Oxford, operating in a team that wins a lot of games rates +0.49 above average.
To add a further layer of context, the only player (19 of them in total) from one of the bottom 6 teams; that has started 10 or more games; that plays the same position and has a higher rating is Dan Batty at Fleetwood. +0.45 above average (likely to be helped by the fact he’s also scored a couple of goals vs Bostock none). Batty played 60 games in the championship in the two seasons prior to joining Fleetwood.
That’s enough about JB for one day it’s 4:30am and going to sleep may be the optimal option.
Think what you are saying here is that Kane continues to be an absolute baller. Very pleased to see this. Was concerned he was going nowhere at Oxford but maybe have a Lundstrum career ahead of him now.
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Best of an extremely limited bunch, for sure. But you're also dealing with a small sample in terms of his minutes on the pitch. Plus, those stats need to be considered in the context of the fact that of his 13 starts, 8 have come against lower half of the table sides (at the time we played them, or, in the case of the first couple or three games when the league table hadn't settled down, sides that spent most of the season below halfway).
Accrington
Portsmouth
Cambridge
Cheltenham
Charlton
Lincoln
Crewe
Gillingham
He's only made five starts against sides in the top half
Sheff Weds
MK Dons
Wycombe x2
Rotherham
He only finished 2 of those and was substituted with 25-30 minutes to go in the other three because he was blowing out of his arse.
In other words, his time on the pitch has been disproportionately against weaker sides in the division.
I agree he has a glorious football brain. But unless he can put that to use for 90 minutes on a regular basis, I really don't see him playing much higher than he is at the moment. He would be physically run off his feet in the Championship.
I didn’t watch him there but Forest fans loved him while he was there.
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Forest fans may have liked Bostock but he played all of 9 games for them in a whole season, so it wasn't a lot to go off really.
Of those 9 games, he started once in the league, his longest appearance lasting 56 minutes and 4 of his appearances were for less than 15 minutes as a sub. Aside from two 90 minute outings in the early rounds of the League Cup, he barely featured all season.
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He's undoubtedly talented but will he offer value in minutes versus wage demands?
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No what good is a midfield player, who does not score goals
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Way over rated imo.
Can pass a ball but that’s it. No legs. Can’t score goals. Tackling is very so so.
There is a reason why he is not playing at a higher level.
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Way over rated imo.
Can pass a ball but that’s it. No legs. Can’t score goals. Tackling is very so so.
There is a reason why he is not playing at a higher level.
Iniesta scored two goals in his last four seasons at Barca. He was ok. It all depends what their role is in the team. Would you want four JBs in your midfield? Obviously not. Is he an exceptional platform to get the best out of the players around him and make them better? Certainly.
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Way over rated imo.
Can pass a ball but that’s it. No legs. Can’t score goals. Tackling is very so so.
There is a reason why he is not playing at a higher level.
On the evidence of our performances this season, we shouldn't take for granted the ability of a footballer to pass the ball well.
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He has some sophisticated qualities that so many of the current team lack, but he is no Whiteman, Stock or Wellens. He is too passive for me and as many have said, does not tackle.
Surrounded by more competitive team mates who would fulfil the functions he lacks, he would be OK, but only OK - in my view.
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He has some sophisticated qualities that so many of the current team lack, but he is no Whiteman, Stock or Wellens. He is too passive for me and as many have said, does not tackle.
Surrounded by more competitive team mates who would fulfil the functions he lacks, he would be OK, but only OK - in my view.
THB, Bostock isn't a midfield dynamo or battler - his game is more refined, and in a team that supports this role he does a good job. I also believe we are a better team with him than without him, and I think he is most definitely worth his shirt.
I'd agree that he can play a bit negatively at times, but I also think that is reflective of the team he is currently playing in.
I don't think he will stay with us, but if he does - and stays fit - he could have a field day in Div 2.
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He’s a good player at this level, no doubt. We are not going to be at this level though next season and neither is he. Due to his injuries and fitness, and our general pathetic form, we’ve probably not seen the best of him in his 18 months here. Hope he finds a decent move for himself as he probably has one last chance to play in the Championship at a good level if he plays his cards right.
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Way over rated imo.
Can pass a ball but that’s it. No legs. Can’t score goals. Tackling is very so so.
There is a reason why he is not playing at a higher level.
John Bostock isn't a box-to-box midfielder.
John Bostock isn't a defensive midfielder.
John Bostock is a playmaker.
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Way over rated imo.
Can pass a ball but that’s it. No legs. Can’t score goals. Tackling is very so so.
There is a reason why he is not playing at a higher level.
John Bostock isn't a box-to-box midfielder.
John Bostock isn't a defensive midfielder.
John Bostock is a playmaker.
Play makers are allowed to move after they have passed the ball. He rarely moves more than 5/10 yards.
Now I don’t know any other play maker who is as static as he is.
I have been watching pro football since 1962/63 season.
Not saying he hasn’t ability but he is as said no Whiteman, Stock, Wellens, I Snodin and I could go on and on and on.
Just my opinion.
Having said that he is worth his place in our team right now. With Clayton doing the holding role I would prefer a 100% fit Ben Close as he is the more complete player for me.
In this current team though, yes we do need Bostock.
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Again best player on the pitch
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For the 74 minutes he was on.
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I thought Martin was our best player today. Closely followed by Bostock.
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He's not going to be here next season. He's far too good
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Bostock and Clayton were good again today. So we’re Williams (one mistake cost us admittedly) and Martin.
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We lost. Not only did we lose, but we lost in the most predictable fashion, after we had scored. Only that nobody could have predicted we would have scored, given how hopeless we are at scoring. All in all, today despite the improved individual performances, was the usual crap that spanned both hopeless and hapless.
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Clayton looked fitter & had a good game, shame Bozzie will probably leave he had a great game.
Thought the lads showed some effort today, shame we're just not good enough in front of goal.
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Clayton looked fitter & had a good game, shame Bozzie will probably leave he had a great game.
Thought the lads showed some effort today, shame we're just not good enough in front of goal.
Spot on Spud that’s all you were missing today.
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Clayton looked fitter & had a good game, shame Bozzie will probably leave he had a great game.
Thought the lads showed some effort today, shame we're just not good enough in front of goal.
Spot on Spud that’s all you were missing today.
Thanks for your words of encouragement, Frankie, but goalscorers aren't all that we had missing. As in almost every game, we conceded 2 poor goals.
Our forwards and defenders have been atrocious all season.
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Not been Bostock biggest fan but he was outstanding today.
Unless he was injured, another very odd decision from GM to take him off.
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Not been Bostock biggest fan but he was outstanding today.
Unless he was injured, another very odd decision from GM to take him off.
Who would you have taken off then when we needed to score. Smith, Clayton, Rowe, Martin, Griffiths.
No Bostock because he was doing the deep lying midfield role and we needed to keep the others on because they have more to give in the opposing half.
It was the right decision and not only that the sub Mipo scored. Bostock has value when you need to hold a lead but from where he plays not as much when you need to chase the game.
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I think today was the first goal Mipo has ever scored in the senior game.
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I think today was the first goal Mipo has ever scored in the senior game.
It probably was but it was a cracker. GM is being criticised for a substitution that worked.
Give me strength what does the man have to do to get some credit.
He inherited a shambles and it was not going to get turned round over night. Today showed me what he can do with a team. Proper football, 100% commitment from all 11 plus subs.
Play like that with a proven striker in League 2 and we will win the league. Absolutely nailed on if we consistently play with that intensity.
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Camps, I think you are probably underestimating some of the teams who will be in L2 next season.
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Shame Bostock won't be here next season. He was celebrating on the pitch when we scored today.
That minute or so of hope was lovely.
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Camps, I think you are probably underestimating some of the teams who will be in L2 next season.
I am not hound. Seen quite a bit of League 2 football this season & last season at Harrogate.
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Camps, I think you are probably underestimating some of the teams who will be in L2 next season.
I am not hound. Seen quite a bit of League 2 football this season & last season at Harrogate.
I really hope you are right mate.
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Personally I think it will be 3/4 years before we get back up. I hope we appoint the right people and I could be sooner. I’m not hopeful though
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Need a new owner and investment.Ground's a bit big for league 2 as well if where down for some time.
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We will come straight back up
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Need a new owner and investment.Ground's a bit big for league 2 as well if where down for some time.
So we need a new owner now who's going to bail us out to a bigger tune than are current owners do at present??
Get rid of club Doncaster while we're at it because that subsidises the football side as well!
:suicide:
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Need a new owner and investment.Ground's a bit big for league 2 as well if where down for some time.
Hopefully the cheap STs mean the grounds half full every week at least.
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Bostock not adverse to resigning according to the font of all knowledge DFP
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Next stop for John Bostock is the National League, nothing to with his ability but there are couple of biggish clubs there with some deep pockets.
Stockport County , most likely win the league
Wrexham , Hollywood money
Notts County , at present they’ve got Harry Arter on loan from the other side of the river and he’s reputed to be on £15k and County are paying a big slice of that.
Or in the league Mansfield Town, not to far from his home in Nottingham
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Next stop for John Bostock is the National League, nothing to with his ability but there are couple of biggish clubs there with some deep pockets.
Stockport County , most likely win the league
Wrexham , Hollywood money
Notts County , at present they’ve got Harry Arter on loan from the other side of the river and he’s reputed to be on £15k and County are paying a big slice of that.
Or in the league Mansfield Town, not to far from his home in Nottingham
There's a chance that Mansfield will be in the same league... they are currently out of the play-off places and have lost 3 in 4 games.
I also note that their saviour JJ O'Toole was benched on Saturday...
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Next stop for John Bostock is the National League, nothing to with his ability but there are couple of biggish clubs there with some deep pockets.
Stockport County , most likely win the league
Wrexham , Hollywood money
Notts County , at present they’ve got Harry Arter on loan from the other side of the river and he’s reputed to be on £15k and County are paying a big slice of that.
Or in the league Mansfield Town, not to far from his home in Nottingham
There's a chance that Mansfield will be in the same league... they are currently out of the play-off places and have lost 3 in 4 games.
I also note that their saviour JJ O'Toole was benched on Saturday...
Doesn’t fit Mansfield’s style for starters. There are not many clubs that would take him so his options are limited.
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Still don’t get the clamour for JJOT he has played centre half for Mansfield….when he has played
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He might feel he owes rovers after playing a part in us getting relegated if we do, as part of the squad.
I doubt it though, As Draytonian said, he would fit an ambitious up and coming team with cash to burn.
They get a ‘name’ player, he gets inflated wages, everyone’s a winner.
The way we have played I wouldn’t be angry about anybody leaving, with the exception of Reo Griffiths, we need to hang onto him.
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If we could keep hold I think him and Clayton will be massive next season
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We activate the option, if someone wants him they have to pay for him
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Do we definitely have an option
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Again, it’s not so simple as just “activating the option”. This might only be possible if he has played so many games, or in doing so there might be a wage increase involved. Likewise we might not on a reduced budget in League Two want to devote so much of the budget to him and if we can’t shift him over the summer we are left with a big liability. It sounds simple to just pull the trigger on an extension, but it will rarely be that simple.
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We activate the option, if someone wants him they have to pay for him
What option - got a link?