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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: wilts rover on April 12, 2022, 08:06:29 pm
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According to that lefty rag, the Daily Express:
'Boris has surrendered!' Brexit fury as PM CAVES on fishing and hands major win to France' as Johnson has given the French all the fishing boat permits they were asking for.
Again according to some ex-UKIP bloke:
"It is the typical Boris Johnson and UK Government approach to all our dealings with the EU - lots of bluster, lots of apparent resistance, a big public spat but then we capitulate.
"That's what we did in the run-up to the Withdrawal Agreement in 2019, the Trade and Cooperation Agreement in 2020 and we're busy capitulating on the Northern Ireland Protocol.
"This was the last bit of defence we had on fishing but in all respect, we had already surrendered that anyway and we have surrendered these last bits too.
"All I see is a Government unable and incapable of standing up to the EU."
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1594658/brexit-news-boris-johnson-uk-france-fishing-licences-british-waters-ben-habib
Who knew Johnson would turn out to be a cheat and a liar ehh...
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I thought you were going to say he'd resigned. Lol. Silly me!
BobG
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Boris Johnson on Wednesday opened the door to increased immigration from India to the UK in exchange for a trade deal, as he prepared to meet Narendra Modi, the country's prime minister.
Speaking from his plane, the Prime Minister said he hoped to strike a trade deal "by the end of the year" and that he had "always been in favour of having people come to this country".
He suggested more relaxed rules for Indian immigrants could be offered by the Government in exchange for a speedy deal that allows the two countries to trade without tariffs.
... So much for taking back control.
Interesting he tells us now he'd always been in favour of more people coming into the country!
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Boris Johnson on Wednesday opened the door to increased immigration from India to the UK in exchange for a trade deal, as he prepared to meet Narendra Modi, the country's prime minister.
Speaking from his plane, the Prime Minister said he hoped to strike a trade deal "by the end of the year" and that he had "always been in favour of having people come to this country".
He suggested more relaxed rules for Indian immigrants could be offered by the Government in exchange for a speedy deal that allows the two countries to trade without tariffs.
... So much for taking back control.
Interesting he tells us now he'd always been in favour of more people coming into the country!
It's almost as if they lied about the whole thing ..................... unless they didn't understand how a trade deal works?
Here they are preparing the ground ................
This article is more than 3 months old
''UK ministers eager to ease immigration rules for Indian citizens
Offer could be on table in upcoming trade talks in Delhi in bid to access to country’s growing economy''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/01/uk-ministers-eager-to-ease-immigration-rules-for-indian-citizens
Here is a round up of
''UK trade agreement with India could be a bigger, but riskier, deal than the defunct US agreement''
https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/press-releases/uk-trade-agreement-with-india-could-be-a-bigger-but-riskier-deal-than-the-defunct-us-agreement/
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I often wonder what Leave voters really feel when ostensibly (or anecdotally they voted to get rid of foreign workers) and yet in the HGV shortage the Butcher's shortage etc we offered Visas to the people we had effectively voted to get rid of
Now it looks like we will offer masses of Indian workers a chance to come and live and work here so imo it looks like :
A) we as a Country and individuals are suffering / penalised by being a third country (think freedom of movement, Passport problems even Pet Passports) yet still have one of the main supposed benefits still there in immigration and
B) Again IMO only we just seem to be swapping Indian workers for EU workers
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Edit ... Just this minute found this Tweet
Tory MP Edward Leigh warns Johnson at #PMQs that the public "did not vote to replace immigration from Europe with more immigration from the rest of the world" in response to reports UK is considering liberalising visa regime with India in exchange for free-trade deal
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As I understood it people voted for a fairer immigration system where citizens of EU countries didn't take preference over citizens from non-EU countries.
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As I understood it people voted for a fairer immigration system where citizens of EU countries didn't take preference over citizens from non-EU countries.
I thought it was about sovrenty
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As I understood it people voted for a fairer immigration system where citizens of EU countries didn't take preference over citizens from non-EU countries.
I bet a Lot of Brexit voters will be surprised and annoyed at this turn of events though.
After all we are switching from EU citizens having preferential treatment to Indian citizens having preferential treatment. That wasn't expected.
The Sun and Mail are busy spinning it as a Brexit win, it will be interesting to see how it goes down.
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Isn't UK entry now points based?
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Isn't UK entry now points based?
I think they are implementing that but I'm not sure if it's done yet.
The Indian proposal is to allow a lot more Visas, reduce costs and make the rules easier for Indians to enter the UK as part of a free trade deal.
In other words, giving Indians preferential treatment.
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Isn't UK entry now points based?
I think they are implementing that but I'm not sure if it's done yet.
The Indian proposal is to allow a lot more Visas, reduce costs and make the rules easier for Indians to enter the UK as part of a free trade deal.
In other words, giving Indians preferential treatment.
Perhaps other areas could remove some barriers and the UK might remove this one to them too?
The whole thing is doing exactly what Brexit does, gives the UK the control - what the government of the time does with that is a seperate matter.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTcA-e6bqVY
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Isn't UK entry now points based?
I think they are implementing that but I'm not sure if it's done yet.
The Indian proposal is to allow a lot more Visas, reduce costs and make the rules easier for Indians to enter the UK as part of a free trade deal.
In other words, giving Indians preferential treatment.
Perhaps other areas could remove some barriers and the UK might remove this one to them too?
The whole thing is doing exactly what Brexit does, gives the UK the control - what the government of the time does with that is a seperate matter.
The UK can do trade deals with who it likes and that could include an understanding on immigration.
But Brexit promised a fair points based system and the UK would pick and choose who came in.
This Indian trade deal gives Indians preferential treatment, in the same way EU citizens used to have preferential treatment. That's not what was expected.
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Does anybody know in what ways this deal with India is better for Britain than how we used to trade with India from inside the EU?
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Isn't UK entry now points based?
I think they are implementing that but I'm not sure if it's done yet.
The Indian proposal is to allow a lot more Visas, reduce costs and make the rules easier for Indians to enter the UK as part of a free trade deal.
In other words, giving Indians preferential treatment.
Perhaps other areas could remove some barriers and the UK might remove this one to them too?
The whole thing is doing exactly what Brexit does, gives the UK the control - what the government of the time does with that is a seperate matter.
The UK can do trade deals with who it likes and that could include an understanding on immigration.
But Brexit promised a fair points based system and the UK would pick and choose who came in.
This Indian trade deal gives Indians preferential treatment, in the same way EU citizens used to have preferential treatment. That's not what was expected.
Didn't EU citizens use to have preferential treatment simply because they were EU citizens and not because they qualified in any other way?
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Membership of the EU, as far as the UK was concerned, was more like an elaborate trade deal rather than a path to ever closer union. Freedom of movement was accepted as rule within that deal.
And with India they are negotiating a trade deal, which incorporates freer movement of people within it. Whether India is being asked to reciprocate I don't know.
Whatever, it breaks the fair points system that was expected and favours Indians.
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Is it not part of a trade deal, not unlike the EU agreement on free movement only with a points system? Has the government said it won't allow similar arrangements with other countries as part of deals in the future?
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Is it not part of a trade deal, not unlike the EU agreement on free movement only with a points system? Has the government said it won't allow similar arrangements with other countries as part of deals in the future?
Part of a trade deal? Yes
Not unlike EU agreement? Something like
Points system? Not sure. Better terms than the rest of the world, extremely likely.
I don't think the government has made any statement on future agreements.
The simple fact is, Brexiters in places like Darlington and Stoke will not be impressed if we simply replace a large influx of East Europeans with Indians.
If that is the case expect the latest Farage affiliated party to profit from it.
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If we replace East Europeans with nothing to offer with Indians with something to offer our country will be far better off.
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Aye, the Indians can offer to do the jobs the East Europeans can't do any more! :silly:
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If we replace East Europeans with nothing to offer with Indians with something to offer our country will be far better off.
I just think we need the numbers back in the tens of thousands annuallyrather than the hundreds of thousands because I believe the infrastructure of this country is under massive strain and the notion of infinite growth is nothing more than a mirage leading to ecological collapse.
Housing is a problem. Flooding is a problem, pollution of water courses is a problem, air pollution is a problem, congestion is a problem, energy is a problem.
Underlying it all population density is a problem.
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Others I fear, far more crudely will just want to 'send the buggers back'.
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If we replace East Europeans with nothing to offer with Indians with something to offer our country will be far better off.
I just think we need the numbers back in the tens of thousands rather than the hundreds of thousands because I believe the infrastructure of this country is under massive strain and the notion of infinite growth is nothing more than a mirage leading to ecological collapse.
Housing is a problem. Flooding is a problem, pollution of water courses is a problem, air pollution is a problem, congestion is a problem, energy is a problem.
Underlying it all population density is a problem.
Now if Farage or his supporters had said that they'd be raving racists!
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Farage aimed for tens of thousands annually.
I fear if we end up importing Indians rather than White east Europeans then we might well end up with a popular party of raving racists.
And all the while we will be sending migrants from northern France to Rwanda whilst handing out visas in Delhi. It makes no sense.
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Now if Farage or his supporters had said that also they'd be raving racists!
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What is racist about it?
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I'm not suggesting anything is racist about it, but if Farage or his supporters had said it ..........
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Sorry Farage did say we should have immigration figures back to the tens of thousands.
It was attacked as racist but a a points based immigration system as he advocated, I don't think that's racist. At least it's already accepted in other western nations.
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Others I fear, far more crudely will just want to 'send the buggers back'.
Another Tweet I just found ... There are some clever folk on there ,(and me of course)
Replacing Polish and Lithuanian workers with Indians and Africans was always an inevitable consequence of Brexit.
Anyone else pulling up popcorn and a comfortable chair to watch the reaction of 17.4m racists when the penny drops?
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Others I fear, far more crudely will just want to 'send the buggers back'.
Another Tweet I just found ... There are some clever folk on there ,(and me of course)
Replacing Polish and Lithuanian workers with Indians and Africans was always an inevitable consequence of Brexit.
Anyone else pulling up popcorn and a comfortable chair to watch the reaction of 17.4m racists when the penny drops?
I don't think it was inevitable but it appears to have been Johnsons plan all along.
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Others I fear, far more crudely will just want to 'send the buggers back'.
Another Tweet I just found ... There are some clever folk on there ,(and me of course)
Replacing Polish and Lithuanian workers with Indians and Africans was always an inevitable consequence of Brexit.
Anyone else pulling up popcorn and a comfortable chair to watch the reaction of 17.4m racists when the penny drops?
Exactly the attitude that drives ppl from agreeing with you Wolfie, blithely labelling everyone who voted leave as a racist. Almost like you are too immature to accept ppl had varying reasons for voting that way
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Others I fear, far more crudely will just want to 'send the buggers back'.
Another Tweet I just found ... There are some clever folk on there ,(and me of course)
Replacing Polish and Lithuanian workers with Indians and Africans was always an inevitable consequence of Brexit.
Anyone else pulling up popcorn and a comfortable chair to watch the reaction of 17.4m racists when the penny drops?
I don't think it was inevitable but it appears to have been Johnsons plan all along.
By 'eck! Johnson had a plan?
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Others I fear, far more crudely will just want to 'send the buggers back'.
Another Tweet I just found ... There are some clever folk on there ,(and me of course)
Replacing Polish and Lithuanian workers with Indians and Africans was always an inevitable consequence of Brexit.
Anyone else pulling up popcorn and a comfortable chair to watch the reaction of 17.4m racists when the penny drops?
I don't think it was inevitable but it appears to have been Johnsons plan all along.
By 'eck! Johnson had a plan?
Er yeah,
That's what he seems to be saying.
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If we replace East Europeans with nothing to offer with Indians with something to offer our country will be far better off.
Hang on.
I thought the problem with the East Europeans was that they were taking our jobs?
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You thought wrong then.
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I thought we needed the Eastern Europeans to do the jobs that our people don’t want to do.
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How many points is required to pull up carrots?
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Others I fear, far more crudely will just want to 'send the buggers back'.
Another Tweet I just found ... There are some clever folk on there ,(and me of course)
Replacing Polish and Lithuanian workers with Indians and Africans was always an inevitable consequence of Brexit.
Anyone else pulling up popcorn and a comfortable chair to watch the reaction of 17.4m racists when the penny drops?
Exactly the attitude that drives ppl from agreeing with you Wolfie, blithely labelling everyone who voted leave as a racist. Almost like you are too immature to accept ppl had varying reasons for voting that way
If you look back I long since realised that no matter what side of the B****t divide people were on they were liable (largely) to remain there
So I made a decision to abstain from posting anything as I knew a mere me would not change the views of people on the other side or the issue and in fact I mostly stopped reading most of the Posts on Off topic because I knew I would never change my mind by something I read on here .... and besides after a few initial posts each topic (whatever the subject matter) seems to degenerate to 2 factions having a go at each other .
So I largely avoided writing or contributing but recently I was drawn in but the words I posted lately have been directly taken from Twitter (e.g. in bold above rather than from my own viewpoint)
It was immature of me to let myself down but don't worry I have been chastened now and won't darken your Threads again
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Don't worry Wolf.
One of the defining characteristics of Brexit is that those who voted - irrespective of the side they supported - are very unlikely to change their views. Even though the main standard bearers for the 'project' (Farage, Banks etc) and the EU have long since lost interest.
The only one who senses that Brexit is a gift that will keep on giving and keep him in power is Johnson who now sees the Leave camp as his new constituency. Unfortunately, as is his nature, Johnson will keep stringing along Leave supporters with platitudes and headlines but nothing of any great substance. This is what Lord Frost realised before packing in. The penny's also dropped for Steve Baker.
One of the problems, I guess, of having a PM who never really believed in Brexit as a crusade but as a means of levering himself into the top job.
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Others I fear, far more crudely will just want to 'send the buggers back'.
Another Tweet I just found ... There are some clever folk on there ,(and me of course)
Replacing Polish and Lithuanian workers with Indians and Africans was always an inevitable consequence of Brexit.
Anyone else pulling up popcorn and a comfortable chair to watch the reaction of 17.4m racists when the penny drops?
Exactly the attitude that drives ppl from agreeing with you Wolfie, blithely labelling everyone who voted leave as a racist. Almost like you are too immature to accept ppl had varying reasons for voting that way
If you look back I long since realised that no matter what side of the B****t divide people were on they were liable (largely) to remain there
So I made a decision to abstain from posting anything as I knew a mere me would not change the views of people on the other side or the issue and in fact I mostly stopped reading most of the Posts on Off topic because I knew I would never change my mind by something I read on here .... and besides after a few initial posts each topic (whatever the subject matter) seems to degenerate to 2 factions having a go at each other .
So I largely avoided writing or contributing but recently I was drawn in but the words I posted lately have been directly taken from Twitter (e.g. in bold above rather than from my own viewpoint)
It was immature of me to let myself down but don't worry I have been chastened now and won't darken your Threads again
My mistake Wolfie, tired eyes.
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You thought wrong then.
So go on then. Who are the Eastern European who were coming over here with nothing to offer?
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First of all, you said you thought East Europeans were taking our jobs. When you explain that, I'll answer your question.
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Off you trot. I've more important things to do than indulge your childish need to argue. You started this off by implying that East Europeans came over here with nothing to offer. If you don't want to substantiate that, that's your choice. Mine is to ignore you.
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You're a fake.
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Whereas you are genuine when you argue the toss.
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Nay Mr Wigerly, me thinks you'll find it's once again Billy boy arguing the toss. Like I've said before, he always throws a hand grenade at me and I merely remove the pin and chuck it back.
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Arguing with your leader does have its drawbacks.
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Isn't UK entry now points based?
I think they are implementing that but I'm not sure if it's done yet.
The Indian proposal is to allow a lot more Visas, reduce costs and make the rules easier for Indians to enter the UK as part of a free trade deal.
In other words, giving Indians preferential treatment.
Perhaps other areas could remove some barriers and the UK might remove this one to them too?
The whole thing is doing exactly what Brexit does, gives the UK the control - what the government of the time does with that is a seperate matter.
The UK can do trade deals with who it likes and that could include an understanding on immigration.
But Brexit promised a fair points based system and the UK would pick and choose who came in.
This Indian trade deal gives Indians preferential treatment, in the same way EU citizens used to have preferential treatment. That's not what was expected.
Didn't EU citizens use to have preferential treatment simply because they were EU citizens and not because they qualified in any other way?
EU citizens were not “preferred” re visas as they never needed them, like we never needed them when we went there. Neither was it ever a binary choice of whether the UK took immigrants from the EU or elsewhere; where have you that impression?
What do you mean by “preferential treatment”.
If you honestly believe you or others
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"Preferred" is favoured while preferential is of or relating to the showing or giving of preference.
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Are the 5 million from the EU that are to get settled status preferred or preferential?
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Getting preferential treatment requires proof of eligibility.
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Damn I was hoping bb would try and answer it :)
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Damn I was hoping bb would try and answer it :)
Talk about optimism.