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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: RugbyRover on April 18, 2022, 09:53:20 pm
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Lots of negatives for the season for sure.
But GM Will build us a team / club
this man is as hard as nails .
Join me and enjoy the ride back to league one.
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Lots of negatives for the season for sure.
But GM Will build us a team / club
this man is as hard as nails .
Join me and enjoy the ride back to league one.
Are you OK? Do you need an intervention?
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With respect I think you need a reality check.
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Lots of negatives for the season for sure.
But GM Will build us a team / club
this man is as hard as nails .
Join me and enjoy the ride back to league one.
no,I /m fine :)
Are you OK? Do you need an intervention?
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Anything other than blind faith making you say this?
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He’s been in charge for less than 4 months, taken over a side in atrocious form.
Sacking him would be ridiculous
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But not as ridiculous as getting rid!
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He’s been in charge for less than 4 months, taken over a side in atrocious form.
Sacking him would be ridiculous
No one ever gives a reason that GM has given for not sacking him I.e. he has improved x or y. The only reason I’ve heard is that he we were poor at the start of the season so that’s all we’ll ever be and that it’s too soon.
RW was sacked after half a season and a transfer window. GM has had the same minus the preseason. Admittedly we were in poor form but there is nothing to suggest he’s going to get us playing with a summer.
Got to be decisive can’t just hope someone who hasn’t been able to organise a team and get us playing can suddenly do it. It’s too much of a risk for my liking I’d rather take the lesser risk of a new manager
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I hope you're right but there's currently no evidence to back you up.
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He’s been in charge for less than 4 months, taken over a side in atrocious form.
Sacking him would be ridiculous
No one ever gives a reason that GM has given for not sacking him I.e. he has improved x or y. The only reason I’ve heard is that he we were poor at the start of the season so that’s all we’ll ever be and that it’s too soon.
RW was sacked after half a season and a transfer window. GM has had the same minus the preseason. Admittedly we were in poor form but there is nothing to suggest he’s going to get us playing with a summer.
Got to be decisive can’t just hope someone who hasn’t been able to organise a team and get us playing can suddenly do it. It’s too much of a risk for my liking I’d rather take the lesser risk of a new manager
There’s been lots of reasons given,
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RugbyRover?
Got it - this is obviously Blunt. Nice try ;)
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The guy made 8 signings in January. He doesn't have any excuses. Completely out of his depth.
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He’s been in charge for less than 4 months, taken over a side in atrocious form.
Sacking him would be ridiculous
It would the kind thing to do !
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He’s going to be here next season regardless of what most want on here. So the sooner we get to grips with that the better for all to move on/forward.
Personally I think he has 10/15 games next season which will make or break his managerial career. If it doesn’t go well then there will need to be a drastic change of direction to save a season we must do well in
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How anyone can say they think he's the right person to to build our next squad after what we have witnessed thus far is beyond me.
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The guy made 8 signings in January. He doesn't have any excuses. Completely out of his depth.
There was more than him behind these signings. Much more.
Perhaps a look at those responsible for recruitment wouldn’t go amiss?
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Our Jan signings weren’t too bad with the exception of the strange Agard one (not that he’s a bad player but just wasn’t used). The timing of the signings was strange maybe we weren’t aggressive enough.
GMc is right in regards to the fitness definite improvement there.
My worry is he doesn’t seem to know how to set up a team from the start, yesterday for example in a must win game we start with one up top. I’m afraid I’ve got splinters in my arse sitting on the fence
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The guy made 8 signings in January. He doesn't have any excuses. Completely out of his depth.
There was more than him behind these signings. Much more.
Perhaps a look at those responsible for recruitment wouldn’t go amiss?
Absolutely have a look at everyone responsible. But ultimately the manager needs to shoulder the responsibility here. He's the first to talk about accountability in his interviews but strangely doesn't think that applies to him.
Look, GM isn't the only reason we're in this mess. But I don't see anything to convince me we should keep him. Let's get an actual football manager in please, someone who isn't learning on the job.
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Give him the opportunity to run his own ship, lets see how it goes then the board should make their decision.
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He has a 12 month rolling contract till at least dec 2022. So he will get a half season to prove his worth. The knives will be out of course way, way before then if rovers struggle next year.
No excuses next season. He has close season to get rid of the dead wood and bring in players he thinks will form his preferred squad. He has a handful of players already he will be happy to work with.
Strikers have to be key here. And let’s be frank. We have none currently.
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Sorry NR he has 12 month rolling contract until, as of today, 18th April 2023. It is a continual moving daily 12 months. So he will have the whole of next season virtually. Unless of course he was given notice that his contract will not be re newed come next Dec
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Sorry NR he has 12 month rolling contract until, as of today, 18th April 2023. It is a continual moving daily 12 months. So he will have the whole of next season virtually. Unless of course he was given notice that his contract will not be re newed come next Dec
Oh, I stand corrected.
He certainly won’t be going Anywhere then. Unless of course we struggle again next season and are rock bottom come Xmas.
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I'm sorry but regardless of his contract he simple has to go..The guy's interviews are awful and if thats how he comes across to his players then there's no wonder the team show absolutely no fight or passion . However the main reason he simply cant be allowed to run the team next season is his tactical naivety.
We start every game terribly and it doesn't matter who we are playing we just get outplayed and are a behind before he starts to get to grips with it, the preperation for games has to be shocking. Yes there are a lot of people who have a lot to answer for Blunt,Baldwin being the main two for how they managed the budget and there terrible appointments but until a white knight comes riding in then there is nothing we can do about them but we need a lot better manager than GM next season thats for sure.
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Surely we’ve realised how good their interviews are is irrelevent.
Sod gave bad interviews but was a genius, dickov gave good interviews but was poor.
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We needed more experience in January, we got mostly kids. That is one of the reasons we haven’t had a consistent run of good results. We’ve lacked a hard core at the back. We need a proper experienced centre back to play alongside Olowu.
We needed an experienced goalkeeper, we still do. We needed goals from midfield, really Tommy Rowe is the only one who has produced from there.
The manager needed to pick Griffiths and Odubeko up front together, he has preferred to pick only one, the reason being he has tried to have an extra midfielder in there to protect the defence. If we had recruited experienced players he wouldn’t have needed to do that. The budget he was given has been the killer in our fortune’s.
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Sammy what was the budget he was given. Surely can’t get more experienced than Agard and Clayton. We did need an experienced Left Back although reading what Frank Rennie put Jackson was great for them
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I don’t know the budget he was given but you can see from what he brought in it wasn’t big. Experienced free transfers and young kids on loan.
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He was a complete novice when he took on a very tough job. I think he has learned a lot since then an is the best man to take us forward. :rtid:
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Give him the opportunity to run his own ship, lets see how it goes then the board should make their decision.
We did it’s called “A Ship wreck ” and it’s sinking fast !!
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I don’t know the budget he was given but you can see from what he brought in it wasn’t big. Experienced free transfers and young kids on loan.
Those experienced free transfers and young kids on loan playing for free, are they? 8 players' wages is a heck of an investment
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Surely we’ve realised how good their interviews are is irrelevent.
Sod gave bad interviews but was a genius, dickov gave good interviews but was poor.
Dickos, I disagree with much of what you write on here but I let it go because there are plenty of others weighing in against you but that one statement tells all we need to know about you. Sod didn't give bad interviews, he gave intelligent, insightful interviews that required us to actually listen to the words spoken instead of judging his him purely on the tone of his voice.
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I don’t know the budget he was given but you can see from what he brought in it wasn’t big. Experienced free transfers and young kids on loan.
Those experienced free transfers and young kids on loan playing for free, are they? 8 players' wages is a heck of an investment
We won't have been paying much towards the wages of the young kids on loan, if anything at all.
Their clubs send them to us as part of their development.
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Surely we’ve realised how good their interviews are is irrelevent.
Sod gave bad interviews but was a genius, dickov gave good interviews but was poor.
Dickos, I disagree with much of what you write on here but I let it go because there are plenty of others weighing in against you but that one statement tells all we need to know about you. Sod didn't give bad interviews, he gave intelligent, insightful interviews that required us to actually listen to the words spoken instead of judging his him purely on the tone of his voice.
100% there's a difference between boring and bad. Listen to a SOD interview and you can tell he's got a plan for the team. GM is just saying whatever comes into his head to get the interview over. We're just wasting a preseason and an opportunity to rebuild by sticking with the status quo. And that goes deeper than GM as many other posts have pointed out.
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I would take SOD back today. At least he would have a plan. He would know how he wanted to play and get players in who would fit his way of playing.
I couldn’t give a monkeys how long he has been out of the game. He was crystal clear how he wanted to play. It’s the best football I’ve seen a rovers side play.
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We needed more experience in January, we got mostly kids. That is one of the reasons we haven’t had a consistent run of good results. We’ve lacked a hard core at the back. We need a proper experienced centre back to play alongside Olowu.
We needed an experienced goalkeeper, we still do. We needed goals from midfield, really Tommy Rowe is the only one who has produced from there.
The manager needed to pick Griffiths and Odubeko up front together, he has preferred to pick only one, the reason being he has tried to have an extra midfielder in there to protect the defence. If we had recruited experienced players he wouldn’t have needed to do that. The budget he was given has been the killer in our fortune’s.
Maybe the problem was trying to protect a vulnerable defence over utilising a decent midfield to create goals. 2nd half yesterday with 2 front men we scored 3 in 45mins.
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Yes I understand why he has tried to protect the defence. It has tightened up the goals conceded, but it’s made us impotent up front.
We looked a lot better as you said Bessie, with two up top.
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We looked a lot better because the opposition decided at 3-0 up they could give us the ball and sit back and watch.
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Don’t think they meant to watch as much as they did then
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It’s the complete lack of game plan for me. If we were losing but you could see what he was trying to do I wouldn’t mind. His most used game plan has been to stick 10 men behind the ball and hope Martin can do something.
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I would take SOD back today. At least he would have a plan. He would know how he wanted to play and get players in who would fit his way of playing.
I couldn’t give a monkeys how long he has been out of the game. He was crystal clear how he wanted to play. It’s the best football I’ve seen a rovers side play.
And I wonder what those players would cost and what their wages would be. Yes SOD built a wonderful footballing team but at what cost?
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The tweet I saw yesterday where GM has made a sub 18 times in 26 games either at half time or before shows how much he is not setting the team up correctly. I have absolutely no confidence in him next season.
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We looked a lot better because the opposition decided at 3-0 up they could give us the ball and sit back and watch.
Cotterill should be sacked for that. Tactical incompetence don’t you think? ;)
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Yes I understand why he has tried to protect the defence. It has tightened up the goals conceded, but it’s made us impotent up front.
We looked a lot better as you said Bessie, with two up top.
Think we have been impotent up front for about 40 games SCK
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Lots of negatives for the season for sure.
But GM Will build us a team / club
this man is as hard as nails .
Join me and enjoy the ride back to league one.
have you been taking illegal substance’s
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No confidence at all in GM, but he’s just another busted cog in the works.
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If managers are given runner beans for funding, don’t expect a green giant growing any time soon. The board have got exactly what they budgeted for, a manager and players that have failed.
They did it on the cheap and now have their reward. Eight players brought in yes, but very cheap loan signings and free transfers that were left over after everyone had, had a look.
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If managers are given runner beans for funding, don’t expect a green giant growing any time soon. The board have got exactly what they budgeted for, a manager and players that have failed.
They did it on the cheap and now have their reward. Eight players brought in yes, but very cheap loan signings and free transfers that were left over after everyone had, had a look.
14th largest budget = 23rd in the league. Think the budget wasn’t spent very well.
6 key players injured for the majority of the season.
Sorry 14 does not = 23 Can’t blame the board for that. As in my post on the other thread we are financially stable which is more than can be said for a huge no of clubs.
We are now in a position to build due to the prudence of our board during the pandemic when revenue decreased very substantially.
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Sammy are you privy to how much the loan signings cost - genuine question
Mitchell, Clayton (once fit) and Griffiths decent signings, Agard on paper should have been decent
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No I know no more than you. But what I do know is the type of players we signed on loan don’t cost hardly anything, if their club wants anything at all. Their clubs want them to get experience at a team where they will start games.
Clayton as good a player as he is hadn’t played for a long time before he joined us. He will have just wanted to be involved at a club again. So his wage demands will have been much lower than usual.
Agard looked like a decent stop gap signing. Experienced but hadn’t been playing. Out of those mentioned he will be on the highest wage.
He just hasn’t worked out. The manager must have seen him train, and he wasn’t what he thought he was getting . Players can ‘lose their legs’ all of a sudden then you have them contracted up and it’s too late.
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No I know no more than you. But what I do know is the type of players we signed on loan don’t cost hardly anything, if their club wants anything at all. Their clubs want them to get experience at a team where they will start games.
Clayton as good a player as he is hadn’t played for a long time before he joined us. He will have just wanted to be involved at a club again. So his wage demands will have been much lower than usual.
Agard looked like a decent stop gap signing. Experienced but hadn’t been playing. Out of those mentioned he will be on the highest wage.
He just hasn’t worked out. The manager must have seen him train, and he wasn’t what he thought he was getting . Players can ‘lose their legs’ all of a sudden then you have them contracted up and it’s too late.
You seem to know a lot. How do you know Agard will be on the most money. I very much doubt he will be.
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I would think him and Clayton are on round about the same, Agard just slightly more.
We had our pants pulled down with that deal. It smacks of a rushed deal and not looking too much into whether he still had it.
He wasn’t a regular starter at his previous club. Very patchy what he has achieved. He has been a good player in the past, no doubt.
I don’t know him personally.
Is it a move he regrets making and is unhappy. Have the legs gone?. Is his attitude not the best?, though I hear he has a good attitude. Sometimes moves just don’t work out.
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I am told that Agard has had a history of a recurring Achilles injury.
Could that be the problem that is causing him to miss games, and training.
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Bad injury to have, a lot pressure goes onto that point, if it’s a weakness he’s bound to struggle.
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I am told that Agard has had a history of a recurring Achilles injury.
Could that be the problem that is causing him to miss games, and training.
He has tore his hamstring hasn't he?
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Was definitely holding his hamstring at Fleetwood, not to say he hasn’t got Achilles problem too
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The problem is we’ve seen on more than one occasion players on the pitch openly question his instructions, or be very confused about what he wants them to do.
On top of this, there’s been several must win games where we have changed personnel at halftime because he’s got it badly wrong from the start. This is professional football. I understand there are occasions when things have gone badly wrong and a change a halftime is needed but that really should be the exception. GM has done this on at least 3/4 occasions in 4 months.
To me that just stinks of inexperience. Are we really in a position where a manager should be making so many mistakes in such crucial matches?
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It takes a big man to admit mistakes, but also sometimes you have to have faith in the plan you put out.
Let’s be fair there have been games where tactically he has been spot on, some of those were defeats as well.
He has also made bad errors with team selection and tactics. He has been indecisive at times.
He’s had nobody of experience helping him really. Lee Carsley who hasn’t managed in league football apart that is. He didn’t need gimmicks ,he needed proper been there and done it help, he didn’t get that.
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It takes a big man to admit mistakes, but also sometimes you have to have faith in the plan you put out.
Let’s be fair there have been games where tactically he has been spot on, some of those were defeats as well.
He has also made bad errors with team selection and tactics. He has been indecisive at times.
He’s had nobody of experience helping him really. Lee Carsley who hasn’t managed in league football apart that is. He didn’t need gimmicks ,he needed proper been there and done it help, he didn’t get that.
Sammy, if he needed that much help and guidance, why on earth did we appoint him as manager? Surely an assistant post alongside a more experienced head would have been more sensible, with a view to GM taking over the reigns in a couple of years. That’s what succession planning is. What it isn’t is putting rookies into posts they aren’t qualified or ready for.
The senior leaders need to own that mistake I’m afraid.
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I see Man Utd have just appointed a new coach. Reading the views of some experts today, they reckon it'll take him three seasons to turn things around. Had to chuckle to myself. Three months here, and most of you lot would be sending him down the road.
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I see Man Utd have just appointed a new coach. Reading the views of some experts today, they reckon it'll take him three seasons to turn things around. Had to chuckle to myself. Three months here, and most of you lot would be sending him down the road.
If Ten Hag doesn't turn things around much faster than that, he won't last close to 3 years in the job. In fact, Man Utd haven't held a manager in post for three full years since Ferguson retired.
Football is not a sport for long term appointments anymore.
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Depends what you mean by turn it around. 3 years to have improved enough to compete for titles etc is probably what they mean.
Not 3 years of poor performances and lower league positions before he's able to start making visible improvements. People need something to buy into that means he'll have to have started turning it around quicker than 3 years.
Managers get about half a season and a transfer window now. If the team is underperforming but it's not disastrous they might get another window or even end of season. If form is disastrous thats all they get. Anyone with any interest in football knows how it is and expects that to be the case now.
In our case for RW and now GM form has been disastrous so inevitably one went and the other is been asked serious questions
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The transfer business that Liverpool have done under Klopp is unbelievable. Not only just about every major signing coming off but getting big bucks for average players he offloaded. £25m for Rhian Brewster and £30m for Benteke. All of this underpinned by the absurd £142m for Coutinho.
You contrast that with the litany of mad, bad and dangerous to know signings made by Man Utd over the same period. Money just been pissed away on nothing.
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I see Man Utd have just appointed a new coach. Reading the views of some experts today, they reckon it'll take him three seasons to turn things around. Had to chuckle to myself. Three months here, and most of you lot would be sending him down the road.
If Ten Hag doesn't turn things around much faster than that, he won't last close to 3 years in the job. In fact, Man Utd haven't held a manager in post for three full years since Ferguson retired.
Football is not a sport for long term appointments anymore.
Man Utd will be changing Manager every year then for the next 5 years Alias.
This is a job that will take 4 windows minimum. The team needs major surgery. That won’t happen in 1 year, 2 is pushing it 3 is just possible but only possible not probable.
Man City & Liverpool are so far ahead of the game right now and will be very strong for some time to come.
Even Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal are ahead of Man U at present.
If they don’t give this guy serious time to build a squad that can compete then they are in cloud cuckoo land.
Anyway no skin off me I have no love for Man U
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And, like most football problems, it boils down to money. City and Liverpool have been ploughing money in, whilst the Glazers have been taking money out!