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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Canadian Rover on April 19, 2022, 12:04:53 am
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Not to resign/sell but for a true open communication to the fans explaining the situation, mistakes learnt and the possibility of assurances from the board about out future.
We also should name our released list 1st thing tomorrow. Let's give the fans an indication of what is happening.
Also if Mcsheffrey and Sinclair are being kept on and backed come out and say it!
Time for a clear indication of intentions.
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Not to resign/sell but for a true open communication to the fans explaining the situation, mistakes learnt and the possibility of assurances from the board about out future.
We also should name our released list 1st thing tomorrow. Let's give the fans an indication of what is happening.
Also if Mcsheffrey and Sinclair are being kept on and backed come out and say it!
Time for a clear indication of intentions.
They are
hear no evil ,
see no evil
and speak no evil !
The owners of DRFC
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Not to resign/sell but for a true open communication to the fans explaining the situation, mistakes learnt and the possibility of assurances from the board about out future.
We also should name our released list 1st thing tomorrow. Let's give the fans an indication of what is happening.
Also if Mcsheffrey and Sinclair are being kept on and backed come out and say it!
Time for a clear indication of intentions.
They are
hear no evil ,
see no evil
and speak no evil !
The owners of DRFC
And alot of the holier than thou brigade on here!
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Indecision causes havoc. Decisive, clear decisions need to be made now. A path to improvement is needed so our support can see the picture of what is going to happen.
Muddled up thinking has led us to relegation.
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Bramall funds it all. Baldwin has essentially made all the club Doncaster money by all accounts. Can someone let me know what Blunt does?
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Leads the football operation, apparently.
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You can't name your Retained list before the season has ended. What would be the point in that? There'll be players in our team in those next two games who won't be getting kept on.
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You can't name your Retained list before the season has ended. What would be the point in that? There'll be players in our team in those next two games who won't be getting kept on.
Then they shouldn’t be playing in the next two games, they’re somewhat pointless anyway. We should be blooding some of the youngsters, they could hardly do much worse and the experience would be good for them.
Time for the manager to make a statement.
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What youngsters that are any where near good enough. If the club or manager believes playing youngsters next season will get out of league 2 they are living in the clouds. We made a mistake last summer by signing 6 because it look good and none of them are ready for the first team. I’m all for bringing young players through but they should have to prove they are good enough first and we haven’t got the structure.
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GM still believes a miracle can happen, so I can't see him naming anything other than what he sees as his strongest XI for the next game.
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Compare Blunt with JR and it's no real mind boggler to understand why we are where we are.
The guy is useless.
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You can't name your Retained list before the season has ended. What would be the point in that? There'll be players in our team in those next two games who won't be getting kept on.
Then they shouldn’t be playing in the next two games, they’re somewhat pointless anyway. We should be blooding some of the youngsters, they could hardly do much worse and the experience would be good for them.
Time for the manager to make a statement.
We've seen the youngsters play this season and they aren't ready, nor does chucking the likes of Horton and Hasani into this weak, losing side do their development any good.
For me, you play your best XI every week and we need to try and end this season with some positive results now.
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The youth system has produced probably two that have a chance, Horton and Faulkner. The rest are probably not going to make it. Kuleya has some promise to him. The youth system needs improvement as well as the scouting to get these players.
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The youth system has produced probably two that have a chance, Horton and Faulkner. The rest are probably not going to make it. Kuleya has some promise to him. The youth system needs improvement as well as the scouting to get these players.
Have you seen Faulkner play? Or any of the other youth team players to form that opinion
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Richie Wellens posted on his Twitter about the great 5 weeks he has had at Leyton Orient and looking forward to the future.
I responded with “shows what happens when you have owners that back you” and he himself likes the comment. As much as a t**t Wellens is that tells you enough that the problem is and always has been the board.
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He didn’t half sign some dross and needs to take responsibility for that aspect.
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He didn’t half sign some dross and needs to take responsibility for that aspect.
That I don’t disagree with, but as the above points out was he hindered by the board as to the quality of players he could sign?
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Compare Blunt with JR and it's no real mind boggler to understand why we are where we are.
The guy is useless.
How about comparing the Chairman of any other league club against JR? None of them act like JR, they must all be useless. QED.
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Richie Wellens posted on his Twitter about the great 5 weeks he has had at Leyton Orient and looking forward to the future.
I responded with “shows what happens when you have owners that back you” and he himself likes the comment. As much as a t**t Wellens is that tells you enough that the problem is and always has been the board.
It doesn't prove anything, of course he's going to like a post blaming someone other than him for his failure at Rovers. Why wouldn't he? When he was failing here, his family were going all over social media arguing with fans to defend him.
We've not really got any proof of who decided what last summer. The entire structure was a mess and everyone made mistakes, not least of all Wellens in his chosen signings and his failure to get the team going on the pitch, which was his job.
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But he certainly got Leyton Orient going in his first 10 matches he’s had at the club. He had the players required there and at 19/20 pts in 10 games it shows he can get a league 2 side playing. But he didn’t have covid to get over injuries and having to spread out the funds he had to try and get players and loans. But that’s gone now we got GMC who got his own 8 players and he’s not got the best out of all of them some yes now others we are still waiting but like Richie when you have to spread the funds sometimes it doesn’t work.
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Richie Wellens posted on his Twitter about the great 5 weeks he has had at Leyton Orient and looking forward to the future.
I responded with “shows what happens when you have owners that back you” and he himself likes the comment. As much as a t**t Wellens is that tells you enough that the problem is and always has been the board.
I don't get that, Fal. RW hasn't had a window at Orient yet, so he can't know if the owners will back him.
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Richie Wellens posted on his Twitter about the great 5 weeks he has had at Leyton Orient and looking forward to the future.
I responded with “shows what happens when you have owners that back you” and he himself likes the comment. As much as a t**t Wellens is that tells you enough that the problem is and always has been the board.
I don't get that, Fal. RW hasn't had a window at Orient yet, so he can't know if the owners will back him.
Whilst you make a good point, you can’t be ignorant to the fact that discussions with the board will have already taken place for next year and what his potential budget would be?
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Richie Wellens posted on his Twitter about the great 5 weeks he has had at Leyton Orient and looking forward to the future.
I responded with “shows what happens when you have owners that back you” and he himself likes the comment. As much as a t**t Wellens is that tells you enough that the problem is and always has been the board.
I don't get that, Fal. RW hasn't had a window at Orient yet, so he can't know if the owners will back him.
Whilst you make a good point, you can’t be ignorant to the fact that discussions with the board will have already taken place for next year and what his potential budget would be?
I totally agree, Fal; but that then begs the question of why RW took the Rovers job on if he knew the budget would be insufficient.
Unless the Rovers reneged on what they promised him.
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Richie Wellens posted on his Twitter about the great 5 weeks he has had at Leyton Orient and looking forward to the future.
I responded with “shows what happens when you have owners that back you” and he himself likes the comment. As much as a t**t Wellens is that tells you enough that the problem is and always has been the board.
I don't get that, Fal. RW hasn't had a window at Orient yet, so he can't know if the owners will back him.
Whilst you make a good point, you can’t be ignorant to the fact that discussions with the board will have already taken place for next year and what his potential budget would be?
I totally agree, Fal; but that then begs the question of why RW took the Rovers job on if he knew the budget would be insufficient.
Unless the Rovers reneged on what they promised him.
It does make you wonder but can only imagine it’s due to his ties with the club. Sadly any manager that we have is going to have the same problem and likelihood to have to rely on frees and loans.
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Richie Wellens posted on his Twitter about the great 5 weeks he has had at Leyton Orient and looking forward to the future.
I responded with “shows what happens when you have owners that back you” and he himself likes the comment. As much as a t**t Wellens is that tells you enough that the problem is and always has been the board.
So he likes a tweet that absolves him of being shit and that points the finger at the board. He hasn’t got to totally rebuild there has he ?
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Free transfers hmmmmm wasn’t Messi signed by PSG on a free
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Free transfers hmmmmm wasn’t Messi signed by PSG on a free
Not really free though was he? Sure the transfer might have been? His wages will be astronomical so it’s a bit silly to compare a cash rich club like PSG to little ol Donny Rovers with “substantial funds”
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He didn’t half sign some dross and needs to take responsibility for that aspect.
That I don’t disagree with, but as the above points out was he hindered by the board as to the quality of players he could sign?
He didn’t half sign some dross and needs to take responsibility for that aspect.
That I don’t disagree with, but as the above points out was he hindered by the board as to the quality of players he could sign?
he signed what he could afford.
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Just proves the point that because a player is signed on a free doesn’t mine it’s a cheap option that’s all
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Unattached players aren't free but forcing yourself as a club to only shop in that pool greatly reduces the quality of players you can acquire.
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The youth system has produced probably two that have a chance, Horton and Faulkner. The rest are probably not going to make it. Kuleya has some promise to him. The youth system needs improvement as well as the scouting to get these players.
Have you seen Faulkner play? Or any of the other youth team players to form that opinion
Yes, why?.
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Free transfers hmmmmm wasn’t Messi signed by PSG on a free
Wages have been mentioned but what about the agents fee, that will have run into multi millions
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Richie Wellens posted on his Twitter about the great 5 weeks he has had at Leyton Orient and looking forward to the future.
I responded with “shows what happens when you have owners that back you” and he himself likes the comment. As much as a t**t Wellens is that tells you enough that the problem is and always has been the board.
I don't get that, Fal. RW hasn't had a window at Orient yet, so he can't know if the owners will back him.
Whilst you make a good point, you can’t be ignorant to the fact that discussions with the board will have already taken place for next year and what his potential budget would be?
I totally agree, Fal; but that then begs the question of why RW took the Rovers job on if he knew the budget would be insufficient.
Unless the Rovers reneged on what they promised him.
He said in a podcast a few weeks ago he took the job because he loved the club and he let his heart rule his head. Basically said he couldn't believe how bad the budget was and regrets taking it.
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Compare Blunt with JR and it's no real mind boggler to understand why we are where we are.
The guy is useless.
How about comparing the Chairman of any other league club against JR? None of them act like JR, they must all be useless. QED.
Okay, in this post I'm not going to compare Blunt to anyone.
He's still useless.
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Richie Wellens posted on his Twitter about the great 5 weeks he has had at Leyton Orient and looking forward to the future.
I responded with “shows what happens when you have owners that back you” and he himself likes the comment. As much as a t**t Wellens is that tells you enough that the problem is and always has been the board.
I don't get that, Fal. RW hasn't had a window at Orient yet, so he can't know if the owners will back him.
Whilst you make a good point, you can’t be ignorant to the fact that discussions with the board will have already taken place for next year and what his potential budget would be?
I totally agree, Fal; but that then begs the question of why RW took the Rovers job on if he knew the budget would be insufficient.
Unless the Rovers reneged on what they promised him.
He said in a podcast a few weeks ago he took the job because he loved the club and he let his heart rule his head. Basically said he couldn't believe how bad the budget was and regrets taking it.
Yet when he was appointed he said he was happy with the budget and couldn't believe how good it was.
Hypocrite?
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Or what the board say and what the board give is two different things
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Richie Wellens posted on his Twitter about the great 5 weeks he has had at Leyton Orient and looking forward to the future.
I responded with “shows what happens when you have owners that back you” and he himself likes the comment. As much as a t**t Wellens is that tells you enough that the problem is and always has been the board.
I don't get that, Fal. RW hasn't had a window at Orient yet, so he can't know if the owners will back him.
Whilst you make a good point, you can’t be ignorant to the fact that discussions with the board will have already taken place for next year and what his potential budget would be?
I totally agree, Fal; but that then begs the question of why RW took the Rovers job on if he knew the budget would be insufficient.
Unless the Rovers reneged on what they promised him.
He said in a podcast a few weeks ago he took the job because he loved the club and he let his heart rule his head. Basically said he couldn't believe how bad the budget was and regrets taking it.
Yet when he was appointed he said he was happy with the budget and couldn't believe how good it was.
Hypocrite?
I very much doubt he said that to anyone other than the board and if he did do he was probably lying let's be honest. Obviously he'd have wanted to impress. On the flip side why would he lie on a Blackpool FC podcast?
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He’s not the first manager to come out and say the budget isn’t good enough is he. Maybe we just appoint constant liars…
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He’s not the first manager to come out and say the budget isn’t good enough is he. Maybe we just appoint constant liars…
Funny how it's only the ones who were useless that say that though, isn't it.
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What's Gary mc excuse then
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He’s not the first manager to come out and say the budget isn’t good enough is he. Maybe we just appoint constant liars…
Don't all managers blame the budget though?
They're hardly going to say it was their fault and they weren't good enough.
Some managers can only survive because they can spend money, Harry Redknapp being a prime example.
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I get the impression that RW was trying to pull a fast one on the board. He, in my opinion, blew most of it on his early signings but kept saying we still needed a def midfielder, and a striker, and a goalkeeper etc etc. The funds he was after didn't materialise and he had to go basement bargain shopping so in his eyes the budget wasn't enough
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It's not necessarily the budget, but how it's used (and often wasted). The board pick the manager and TIM, and give them control over how the budget is spent. Ergo if the budget is misused or wasted, it's a problem the board have created for themselves.
We've been crying out for footballing and recruitment expertise for a while. Hopefully the next few months are where we see this addressed.
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It's not necessarily the budget, but how it's used (and often wasted). The board pick the manager and TIM, and give them control over how the budget is spent. Ergo if the budget is misused or wasted, it's a problem the board have created for themselves.
We've been crying out for footballing and recruitment expertise for a while. Hopefully the next few months are where we see this addressed.
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Or what the board say and what the board give is two different things
Dickov clearly said on a podcast that he was told to tell the fans we have a top 6 budget when in reality we haven’t.
I’m sorry for me there is far too much evidence (granted it’s by word of mouth on podcasts) to show that it’s the board that is the problem and our budget is simply shocking and you would imagine with relegation and if we don’t go straight back up it will only get worse over time.
I just can’t see a way forward for the club at this current moment in time without significant investment in the club, whether that be a takeover or the board putting extra money into the club. Something needs to happen, I mean the fans are already against the club and just imagine what a poor start to league two next season will bring….
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Jesus wept. All managers are responsible to work with the budget they have and of course, he and the board will try to stretch that budget as best they can!
However, neither Wellens, GMc or the board could have foreseen that a high proportion of that budget was going to remain unavailable on the treatment table for most of the season!
With those players available more often, it's a different story. Stop looking beyond what is obvious and making things up.
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Or what the board say and what the board give is two different things
Dickov clearly said on a podcast that he was told to tell the fans we have a top 6 budget when in reality we haven’t.
I’m sorry for me there is far too much evidence (granted it’s by word of mouth on podcasts) to show that it’s the board that is the problem and our budget is simply shocking and you would imagine with relegation and if we don’t go straight back up it will only get worse over time.
I just can’t see a way forward for the club at this current moment in time without significant investment in the club, whether that be a takeover or the board putting extra money into the club. Something needs to happen, I mean the fans are already against the club and just imagine what a poor start to league two next season will bring….
And on the subject of Dickov, he had no grounds for complaint with the players he had at his disposal. I don't give a monkeys what he said in a podcast but if you really believe Dickov was unjustly sacked then you and all those that keep harping back to this need to look back at the players we had and acquired during his tenure.
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Or what the board say and what the board give is two different things
Dickov clearly said on a podcast that he was told to tell the fans we have a top 6 budget when in reality we haven’t.
I’m sorry for me there is far too much evidence (granted it’s by word of mouth on podcasts) to show that it’s the board that is the problem and our budget is simply shocking and you would imagine with relegation and if we don’t go straight back up it will only get worse over time.
I just can’t see a way forward for the club at this current moment in time without significant investment in the club, whether that be a takeover or the board putting extra money into the club. Something needs to happen, I mean the fans are already against the club and just imagine what a poor start to league two next season will bring….
Paul Dickov was directly appointed by JR as he was a good friend of his. At the same time JR was setting up the ill fated Sequentia deal so it wouldn't surprise me if JR had told him that he would have a massive budget however Terry thwarted JR's deal and probably gave PD what was the true budget, so I wouldn't be inclined to believe anything that comes out of PD's mouth regards budget considering what was going on at the club at the time, remember JR said we would be signing Richard Dunn and other Premier league players!!
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Jesus wept. All managers are responsible to work with the budget they have and of course, he and the board will try to stretch that budget as best they can!
However, neither Wellens, GMc or the board could have foreseen that a high proportion of that budget was going to remain unavailable on the treatment table for most of the season!
With those players available more often, it's a different story. Stop looking beyond what is obvious and making things up.
Are we talking at cross purposes here I wonder? I am talking about the budget for new players. Players that are already contracted hardly come into that equation hence his comments about trying to free up more funds to spend by getti g players off the payroll. Hardly making things up
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I get the impression that RW was trying to pull a fast one on the board. He, in my opinion, blew most of it on his early signings but kept saying we still needed a def midfielder, and a striker, and a goalkeeper etc etc. The funds he was after didn't materialise and he had to go basement bargain shopping so in his eyes the budget wasn't enough
I reckon most if not all of the budget went on Knoyle, Close and Rowe then realised that we had no strikers...
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We did have a striker, that he was told would be ready for the second league game!
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Jesus wept. All managers are responsible to work with the budget they have and of course, he and the board will try to stretch that budget as best they can!
However, neither Wellens, GMc or the board could have foreseen that a high proportion of that budget was going to remain unavailable on the treatment table for most of the season!
With those players available more often, it's a different story. Stop looking beyond what is obvious and making things up.
That’s why Richie wasn’t a hypocrite Martin,he believed and was told players would be available to him for preseason and they were not. He was also told to acquire more players he would have to let go of other players and he couldn’t they wouldn’t go. So he found out what he thought was enough to get the players he wanted was not enough. It also shown as the seasons progressed we couldn’t get the quality league one players we needed with the money that was available. Even GMC who was given extra in the January transfer window had to spread it about and none of them have proved to be good League one standard. He also jumped for Agard we couldn’t turn that one away but never played him and he’s injured now so was GMC an hypocrite for saying that.
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Raven, there isn’t 2 budgets as far as I’m aware, the budget IS the budget!
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Coleman at Accrington has got the lowest budget in League 1
He has kept them in the league for how many years must be at least 7 now
Not just kept them in the league but mid table most seasons.
Good managers don’t need the biggest budget. It helps of course but it guarantees nothing.
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What I was told by Martin money coming in is used to pay bills etc and what is left is the playing budget that covers all players . At least 50% of our playing budget as been on the treatment table this season. That the biggest crime that we’ve had players out either all season or majority of it and it appears no enquiries have been carried out to find out why. Some have also been miss diagnosed at some point. We are debating funds when the cost per treatment this season must have been at lot more than cost per goal.
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Baldwin stated what the budget was at the start of the season, the 14th highest in the league. I've posted on here before that (although this amount is pegged to our average att which is around the 14th highest) I thought that was too low. Undoubtedly, it was rectified a little in January and probably didn't finish the 14th highest.
So it wasn't, or shouldn't, have been a surprise to anyone. Especially not Wellens. The fact is, Wellens left us well below 14th and rationalised that budget by spending it on the likes of Barlow and Gardner.
In my opinion, he's been a bit of gobshite since he left, and he should keep his beak out of it.
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Coleman at Accrington has got the lowest budget in League 1
He has kept them in the league for how many years must be at least 7 now
Not just kept them in the league but mid table most seasons.
Good managers don’t need the biggest budget. It helps of course but it guarantees nothing.
As Accrington had 7 players who would have played out injured for the majority of the season.?
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Jesus wept. All managers are responsible to work with the budget they have and of course, he and the board will try to stretch that budget as best they can!
However, neither Wellens, GMc or the board could have foreseen that a high proportion of that budget was going to remain unavailable on the treatment table for most of the season!
With those players available more often, it's a different story. Stop looking beyond what is obvious and making things up.
That’s why Richie wasn’t a hypocrite Martin,he believed and was told players would be available to him for preseason and they were not. He was also told to acquire more players he would have to let go of other players and he couldn’t they wouldn’t go. So he found out what he thought was enough to get the players he wanted was not enough. It also shown as the seasons progressed we couldn’t get the quality league one players we needed with the money that was available. Even GMC who was given extra in the January transfer window had to spread it about and none of them have proved to be good League one standard. He also jumped for Agard we couldn’t turn that one away but never played him and he’s injured now so was GMC an hypocrite for saying that.
Think GM was just going on Asgard’s past record. Plymouth hardly played him at all. There was a reason for that and a reason they got rid of him.
GM didnt play him presumably because after seeing him in training he wasn’t good enough.
2+2+2 =6
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Baldwin stated what the budget was at the start of the season, the 14th highest in the league. I've posted on here before that (although this amount is pegged to our average att which is around the 14th highest) I thought that was too low. Undoubtedly, it was rectified a little in January and probably didn't finish the 14th highest.
So it wasn't, or shouldn't, have been a surprise to anyone. Especially not Wellens. The fact is, Wellens left us well below 14th and rationalised that budget by spending it on the likes of Barlow and Gardner.
In my opinion, he's been a bit of gobshite since he left, and he should keep his beak out of it.
How did Evatt a big mate of GMC know and say in the press that Gary had to work with limited finances does that make GMC a gob shite as you put it or does the truth really hurt.
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Jesus wept. All managers are responsible to work with the budget they have and of course, he and the board will try to stretch that budget as best they can!
However, neither Wellens, GMc or the board could have foreseen that a high proportion of that budget was going to remain unavailable on the treatment table for most of the season!
With those players available more often, it's a different story. Stop looking beyond what is obvious and making things up.
Are we talking at cross purposes here I wonder? I am talking about the budget for new players. Players that are already contracted hardly come into that equation hence his comments about trying to free up more funds to spend by getti g players off the payroll. Hardly making things up
There's only one budget. New and existing players are paid out of the same pot.
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Baldwin stated what the budget was at the start of the season, the 14th highest in the league. I've posted on here before that (although this amount is pegged to our average att which is around the 14th highest) I thought that was too low. Undoubtedly, it was rectified a little in January and probably didn't finish the 14th highest.
So it wasn't, or shouldn't, have been a surprise to anyone. Especially not Wellens. The fact is, Wellens left us well below 14th and rationalised that budget by spending it on the likes of Barlow and Gardner.
In my opinion, he's been a bit of gobshite since he left, and he should keep his beak out of it.
How did Evatt a big mate of GMC know and say in the press that Gary had to work with limited finances does that make GMC a gob shite as you put it or does the truth really hurt.
Read again. I am stating a fact and an opinion that are not intended to contradict each other. The budget is low this season and I still think Wellens should keep his mouth out of it. Both are true.
Same applies to GM, he does not have a bottom two budget, so perhaps he should stop mouthing off to his 'mates' in football as well.
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I don’t buy into the conspiracy theories about the budget or the post-departure words of past managers, but what really hasn’t helped this tired debate and the overall issue of transparency was the decision seven years ago to stop publishing full accounts for Doncaster Rovers Limited and only abbreviated accounts.
This means that the section on player wage costs is no longer public. The last time this was public was in our accounts for 2014/15 season when our wage cost was £3.7m. Most clubs publish this information and we are now something of an outlier, and helps in itself to generate many of these conspiracy theories.
Reverting to publishing this in the form most clubs do, would be a helpful move all round I think.
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Wellens was a disaster.
He had no man management skills. His language on the touch line was appalling.
He was full of himself. Nothing was ever his fault.
He is showing his true self with his comments after he left.
Strange when he was appointed he said the club was well run and was happy with the budget.
Yes got unlucky with the injured 6 but no excuse for not getting the others in the squad 100% match fit.
That was his job. To recruit well, to get them fit & create a proper team spirit in the dressing room.
He did none of those and left GM with the unenviable task of picking up the pieces.
I wanted Wellens. But hindsight eh. He was a disaster. His success at Orient will be temporary.
He is a flawed character imo.
Just my opinion of course. There are some who will think I am talking rubbish.
That’s what this forums for, opinions.
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Jesus wept. All managers are responsible to work with the budget they have and of course, he and the board will try to stretch that budget as best they can!
However, neither Wellens, GMc or the board could have foreseen that a high proportion of that budget was going to remain unavailable on the treatment table for most of the season!
With those players available more often, it's a different story. Stop looking beyond what is obvious and making things up.
Are we talking at cross purposes here I wonder? I am talking about the budget for new players. Players that are already contracted hardly come into that equation hence his comments about trying to free up more funds to spend by getti g players off the payroll. Hardly making things up
There's only one budget. New and existing players are paid out of the same pot.
I agree but RW or any other manager has no control over contracted player salaries hence why I am saying the budget available to him or any other manager for new additions
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Jesus wept. All managers are responsible to work with the budget they have and of course, he and the board will try to stretch that budget as best they can!
However, neither Wellens, GMc or the board could have foreseen that a high proportion of that budget was going to remain unavailable on the treatment table for most of the season!
With those players available more often, it's a different story. Stop looking beyond what is obvious and making things up.
That’s why Richie wasn’t a hypocrite Martin,he believed and was told players would be available to him for preseason and they were not. He was also told to acquire more players he would have to let go of other players and he couldn’t they wouldn’t go. So he found out what he thought was enough to get the players he wanted was not enough. It also shown as the seasons progressed we couldn’t get the quality league one players we needed with the money that was available. Even GMC who was given extra in the January transfer window had to spread it about and none of them have proved to be good League one standard. He also jumped for Agard we couldn’t turn that one away but never played him and he’s injured now so was GMC an hypocrite for saying that.
You really need to read what I wrote. No matter how you want to look at it, he did say he was happy with the budget, and now he says he wasn't. Muddying the waters by throwing in other detail doesn't affect that.
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I don’t buy into the conspiracy theories about the budget or the post-departure words of past managers, but what really hasn’t helped this tired debate and the overall issue of transparency was the decision seven years ago to stop publishing full accounts for Doncaster Rovers Limited and only abbreviated accounts.
This means that the section on player wage costs is no longer public. The last time this was public was in our accounts for 2014/15 season when our wage cost was £3.7m. Most clubs publish this information and we are now something of an outlier, and helps in itself to generate many of these conspiracy theories.
Reverting to publishing this in the form most clubs do, would be a helpful move all round I think.
Can probs tell if Dickov was bullshitting from that then. I doubt it'll go down the following season when the players that left were Bennett, McCombe, Wabara, Furman, Theo Robinson and Bywater replaced with Andy Williams, Stuckmann, Chaplow, N'Guessan, ATS and MacKenzie.
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If you believe that we had a top ten budget this season , you’ve been lying to yourself. No way any of the managers this have had good funding.
Paul Dickov had decent funding. Yes it wasn’t as high as other championship clubs, but he was allowed to sign Tamas, Meite etc on top of his budget.
The others the funding has got less and less as the years have gone on. We are led to believe club Doncaster is a success. But the funding is reducing.
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I think that the club line was that we had the 14th biggest budget in the division, not a top ten one.
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If you believe that we had a top ten budget this season , you’ve been lying to yourself. No way any of the managers this have had good funding.
Paul Dickov had decent funding. Yes it wasn’t as high as other championship clubs, but he was allowed to sign Tamas, Meite etc on top of his budget.
The others the funding has got less and less as the years have gone on. We are led to believe club Doncaster is a success. But the funding is reducing.
SCK of course the funding has reduced in the last 2 years. We have had a Covid pandemic.
The gates were closed at the ground. The revenue the club had from gate receipts zero, commercial income massively reduced, club Doncaster income massively reduced.
If the club had not reduced the budget then we would in all probability be in administration now.
There are going to be many clubs in financial difficulty over the next couple of years because the are over borrowed and in considerable debt. DRFC are not going to be one of those clubs.
I think an awful lot of people have forgotten about the pandemic already and the financial consequences that it caused.
Fortunately we have a board who are caring for the future of our beloved football club.
The downside is the reduced budget and the wrong choice of manager to manage that budget has ended in relegation to league 2.
This will be a temporary. The budget will be increased next season because the club finances will allow that to be a prudent decision.
Give the board credit when credit is due. Their sole purpose over the last 2 years has been to make sure we will have a football club that is financially viable and will be here in 5 yrs 10 yrs 20 yrs time.
We can now build again from a stable position even though it is from a league lower than we would all wish to be in.
Get the recruitment right this summer we will be in league 1 again in 2023/24
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I don’t buy into the conspiracy theories about the budget or the post-departure words of past managers, but what really hasn’t helped this tired debate and the overall issue of transparency was the decision seven years ago to stop publishing full accounts for Doncaster Rovers Limited and only abbreviated accounts.
This means that the section on player wage costs is no longer public. The last time this was public was in our accounts for 2014/15 season when our wage cost was £3.7m. Most clubs publish this information and we are now something of an outlier, and helps in itself to generate many of these conspiracy theories.
Reverting to publishing this in the form most clubs do, would be a helpful move all round I think.
The debate will rage on, just as it did in JR'S days too, as accounts only come afterwards, so the budget for upcoming or current seasons will always remain subject to speculation, unless the board want to tell every other club/agent/player how much they have to spend.
Then of course, how the budget is spent will always be debated without ever knowing details of player wages, fees, loan fees, transfer fees etc.
So again, folk will just go round in circles and get nowhere.
In some eyes, because they perceive TB to have lots of ready cash, it'll never be enough.
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Correct DBR I’ve read some of the numpty comments on FB really slagging him and then the next breath stating he should put more money into the team. There was one comment that even blamed him for the demise of the town
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I don’t buy into the conspiracy theories about the budget or the post-departure words of past managers, but what really hasn’t helped this tired debate and the overall issue of transparency was the decision seven years ago to stop publishing full accounts for Doncaster Rovers Limited and only abbreviated accounts.
This means that the section on player wage costs is no longer public. The last time this was public was in our accounts for 2014/15 season when our wage cost was £3.7m. Most clubs publish this information and we are now something of an outlier, and helps in itself to generate many of these conspiracy theories.
Reverting to publishing this in the form most clubs do, would be a helpful move all round I think.
Can probs tell if Dickov was bullshitting from that then. I doubt it'll go down the following season when the players that left were Bennett, McCombe, Wabara, Furman, Theo Robinson and Bywater replaced with Andy Williams, Stuckmann, Chaplow, N'Guessan, ATS and MacKenzie.
How on earth can you summise that Dickov was probably bullshitting from the lack of transparency arising then. I find it interesting that the lack of transparency commenced post Ryan leaving and Blunt becoming Chairman!