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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: normal rules on April 19, 2022, 08:50:52 am
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GM has some interesting decisions to make come season end.
He alluded to the fact that he knows who he wants to keep and who we will be parting company with.
Here are the out of contract players and my ten penneth.
Tom Anderson. Continuing injury concerns. Can he keep fit, if he gets fit. Unsure.
Louis Jones. Keep. As sub keeper..
Branden Horton. Move on.
Ben Blythe. Seems he is already going to Swansea. Which is odd as this is some step up for him and he has not cut it with rovers. No physical presence at all.
Aidan Barlow. Keep.
Dan Gardner. Move on. Too old. Not fit enough.
Cameron John. Continuing injury concerns. Move on.
John Bostock. Keep please. Will be pivotal in lge two.
Lirak Hasani. Move on.
Fej. Injury concerns. Move on.
AJ greaves. Move on.
Ben bottomley . Move on.
Ed Williams is already on loan to a US club. Move on.
If we clear out anywhere near this amount GM is in for a very busy close season.
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Anderson - Keep
Jones - See if we can get better before deciding. Should have broken through by now and has gone backwards if anything.
Horton - Keep as backup
Barlow - Get rid
Gardner - Get rid
John - Keep if his back is sorted
Bostock - Keep
Hasani - See how he's progressed
Okenabirhie - Keep. There isn't many 15 a season strikers around.
Greaves - Get rid
Bottomley - Keep as 3rd choice
Ed Williams - Bye.
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NR agree with your list with the exception of Horton who I’d keep as back up.
DO do we have an option on Okenabirhie, get your thinking but our 15 goal a season version has played zero minutes this season and certainly can’t score from the treatment room
Would either of you keep Taylor? (I know he’s still on contract)
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There is a kid at Boston United called Danny Elliot. Previous with Port Vale and Hartlepool. He has scored 25 goals in 46 appearances. This is the sort of tried and tested striker rovers should be looking at for lge two.
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There is a kid at Boston United called Danny Elliot. Previous with Port Vale and Hartlepool. He has scored 25 goals in 46 appearances. This is the sort of tried and tested striker rovers should be looking at for lge two.
He’s 26 years old and has only ever scored goals at National League North ie 2 levels below where we’re going to be plying our trade. He may yet make it as a football league striker but hardly “tried and tested”.
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Anderson - Keep if he proves fitness (wages)could be a problem
Jones - Should go get a new No1 Keeper but it will depend on money
Horton - Should go but again he might be kept due to money
Barlow - Get rid
Gardner - Get rid
John - Keep if his back is sorted wages could be a problem
Bostock - Keep again but fitness is still a worry and pace to recover
Hasani - Should go
Okenabirhie - Keep. There isn't many 15 a season strikers around. But fitness and wages could be a problem
Greaves - Get rid
Bottomley - Should go unless we need a third keeper
Ed Williams - Bye.
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Okenabirhie, Anderson, and Bostock are the only ones I would be interested in keeping. I think we're going to find it difficult to keep all three, however. The money we're offering them vs what they can get elsewhere will see them leave.
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NR agree with your list with the exception of Horton who I’d keep as back up.
DO do we have an option on Okenabirhie, get your thinking but our 15 goal a season version has played zero minutes this season and certainly can’t score from the treatment room
Would either of you keep Taylor? (I know he’s still on contract)
I don't see one long term injury as being injury prone though. Once he gets over this injury he might be fine for the next two years and manage 80 games. Why shouldn't that be with us?
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Just interested-they could be better available for less, we don’t even know if there are relegation release clauses in the contracts. Apologies this thread is about out of contract players
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Okenabirhie I would give an incentivised contract, as I would most players. The money drops down to their standard rate of pay, but if doing the business they get more. This creates striving to do better, we need that.
Keep John, Bostock, Horton,
Out Jones, Anderson, Gardner, Barlow, Hasani, Greaves, Bottomley, Ed Williams, Ben Blythe(Swansea).
We need players who score goals, assist them and defenders that can add some strength and steel to the back line.
We need 2 strikers, 2 wingers, 1 creative midfielder, 1 left back, 1 centre half, 1 goalkeeper.
In all I would retain 13 players from the entire squad.
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It's tempting to just say "sod it" and start all over again, getting rid of all out of contract players. That's without knowing the financial ins and outs of course.
Our squad is in such a state that there is a good reason to get rid of each one, but I wouldn't necessarily do that.
I'd probably keep Okenabirhie and John if they wanted to stay on a one-year deal. If they do get fit again, they'd easily be good enough to start regularly in League Two.
Bostock I'd also keep if he was on a reasonable wage, he's a fantastic player but the question mark is over fitness. I suspect he'll get a better deal elsewhere mind as he has played a decent amount this season so won't be looking like a total sick note. The same applies to Anderson really, I think he may get a decent offer from a L1 side as he's fit more than not ordinarily.
I'd probably keep Jones, Hasani and Horton too as squad players, they all still have time to develop and at League Two level may feel more comfortable.
Gardner, Barlow, Ed Williams and AJ Greaves I would release in a heartbeat. None are good enough.
Unfortunately that "not good enough" tag applies to quite a number of our contracted players for next season as well, which is a big concern at the moment.
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Just interested-they could be better available for less, we don’t even know if there are relegation release clauses in the contracts. Apologies this thread is about out of contract players
There was a discussion just after the new year on here about relegation clauses in players contracts.
SM was involved in it but I don’t recall the details.
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Our standards of what is good enough need to increase. Players need to take responsibility in changing games. We have a lot of hiders in the side.
Possible free transfers to bring in Jonathan Williams Swindon Town 38 Appearances 5 goals, 7 assists, Welsh international.28 years old attacking midfielder.
Callum McManaman 30 years old, Tranmere rovers. Attacking midfielder 30 appearances, 3 goals, 1 assist England u-20 international.
Jamie Proctor 30 years old, 29 appearances, 13 goals, 4 assists Port vale.
Jack Muldoon 32 years old , 45 appearances , 12 goals, 7 assists, Harrogate Town.
Jevani Brown, 27 years old, 45 appearances, 7 goals, 12 assists, Exeter city.
Just a few who’s contracts end in June.
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Mc = get rid
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Fej and John are the only 2 we should pull out all the stops to keep. Bostock would be nice but he isn't going to be playing league 2 next season, no chance.
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Tom Anderson - Keep
Louis Jones - Keep
Branden Horton - Keep
Ben Blythe - Going
Aidan Barlow - Keep
Dan Gardner - Keep
Cameron John - Keep
John Bostock - Let go
Lirak Hasani - Let go
Fej - Keep, he owes us a season at least
AJ greaves - Let go
Ben bottomley - Keep
Ed Williams - Let go
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We have an option on Bostock I believe
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Our standards of what is good enough need to increase. Players need to take responsibility in changing games. We have a lot of hiders in the side.
Possible free transfers to bring in Jonathan Williams Swindon Town 38 Appearances 5 goals, 7 assists, Welsh international.28 years old attacking midfielder.
Callum McManaman 30 years old, Tranmere rovers. Attacking midfielder 30 appearances, 3 goals, 1 assist England u-20 international.
Jamie Proctor 30 years old, 29 appearances, 13 goals, 4 assists Port vale.
Jack Muldoon 32 years old , 45 appearances , 12 goals, 7 assists, Harrogate Town.
Jevani Brown, 27 years old, 45 appearances, 7 goals, 12 assists, Exeter city.
Just a few who’s contracts end in June.
The same Jamie Proctor who kept slagging Rovers off while at Bradford & Rotherham?
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Speaking of out of contract players, where are we with the Joe Wright situation. Last i heard he was continuing his rehab with us after the Hearts deal fell through
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Our standards of what is good enough need to increase. Players need to take responsibility in changing games. We have a lot of hiders in the side.
Possible free transfers to bring in Jonathan Williams Swindon Town 38 Appearances 5 goals, 7 assists, Welsh international.28 years old attacking midfielder.
Callum McManaman 30 years old, Tranmere rovers. Attacking midfielder 30 appearances, 3 goals, 1 assist England u-20 international.
Jamie Proctor 30 years old, 29 appearances, 13 goals, 4 assists Port vale.
Jack Muldoon 32 years old , 45 appearances , 12 goals, 7 assists, Harrogate Town.
Jevani Brown, 27 years old, 45 appearances, 7 goals, 12 assists, Exeter city.
Just a few who’s contracts end in June.
The same Jamie Proctor who kept slagging Rovers off while at Bradford & Rotherham?
Yes it will be the same one, Barney.
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We have an option on Bostock I believe
In true Rovers style though, would we stand in his way if he wanted to move on?
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There is a kid at Boston United called Danny Elliot. Previous with Port Vale and Hartlepool. He has scored 25 goals in 46 appearances. This is the sort of tried and tested striker rovers should be looking at for lge two.
How is playing for Boston tried and tested. And how can you say Keep Barlow. Unbelievable. If Okenabirhie proves his fitness would keep.him all day long.
Yes we might to find real potential in rhe non league and a raw diamond but hardly tried and tested!
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Speaking of out of contract players, where are we with the Joe Wright situation. Last i heard he was continuing his rehab with us after the Hearts deal fell through
Think he is still off to Hearts.
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Just interested-they could be better available for less, we don’t even know if there are relegation release clauses in the contracts. Apologies this thread is about out of contract players
what like the 8 we got in January
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Get rid of them all apart from John and Fej IF they can prove their fitness this summer.
Obviously Bostock too but we have no chance.
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Speaking of out of contract players, where are we with the Joe Wright situation. Last i heard he was continuing his rehab with us after the Hearts deal fell through
Think he is still off to Hearts.
If this is true perhaps we should be sending them a bill for recompense for all the rehab costs attached to JW's recovery that have accrued over this season!
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If he makes it back next season, it is going to be very tough for him for some time. He hasn’t played a competitive minute since he was subbed off early on 4 May 2021. Hope he can make it back, but that is a long, long time out.
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Adam Clayton was out for around as long, wasn't he?
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We have an option on Bostock I believe
In true Rovers style though, would we stand in his way if he wanted to move on?
Could you define what you mean by 'true rovers style'?
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We have an option on Bostock I believe
In true Rovers style though, would we stand in his way if he wanted to move on?
Could you define what you mean by 'true rovers style'?
Of course.
We have heard numerous times over the years that the club will not stand in the way of a player who wishes to move on.
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Adam Clayton was out for around as long, wasn't he?
He certainly didn’t play for a long stretch - basically Jan 2021 to January 2022. I’m not sure that was all injuries though. He had his contract terminated, so for a few months he didn’t have a club to play for, even if he was fit.
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We have an option on Bostock I believe
Keep seeing this - but nobody has yet offered evidence of this 'option'
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Anderson and Jones keep. Rest I am not bothered. Clayton will be here. Big job on. Ideally with a new Manager.
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The important thing is if the out of contract players want to stay if offered an extension. We only need players who want to be with us. We have no use for those who don’t.
Bostock would be great to hold onto, we could do with a full season out of him, for the amount we will be paying him.
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We have an option on Bostock I believe
Keep seeing this - but nobody has yet offered evidence of this 'option'
https://youtu.be/nJ3fhszEycc
16:35
Might be an option on his side, or even both.
He does love playing football and family is important to him so can only see him being at a club not too far from Nottingham.
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We have an option on Bostock I believe
Keep seeing this - but nobody has yet offered evidence of this 'option'
https://youtu.be/nJ3fhszEycc
16:35
Might be an option on his side, or even both.
He does love playing football and family is important to him so can only see him being at a club not too far from Nottingham.
I knew I hadn't dreamt that there is an option to extend.
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https://youtu.be/nJ3fhszEycc
16:35
Might be an option on his side, or even both.
He does love playing football and family is important to him so can only see him being at a club not too far from Nottingham.
Thanks DonnyOsmond - not a follower, so I didn't know that. We just don't know who has the option.... wonder if SM can clarify for us?
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Can’t help but like the guy it’s the first time I’ve watched the video. He’s obviously keen on his faith (doesn’t resonate with me but each to their own) and seemed genuinely thrilled to be with us
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Shhhhhhh be careful I think DFP are reading the forum lol
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We have an option on Bostock I believe
In true Rovers style though, would we stand in his way if he wanted to move on?
Could you define what you mean by 'true rovers style'?
Of course.
We have heard numerous times over the years that the club will not stand in the way of a player who wishes to move on.
Have we though? Have we heard this numerous times?
I can't remember Gavin or anybody else at the club coming out with that. Maybe a manager or two has said this 'after' a player has left but I can assure you its not the default option.
I certainly wouldn't be calling it a 'true Rovers style'.
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Everyone seems to want to get rid of Gardner, but I feel he’s a good lad who has been unlucky this season and played well when he was fit & called upon - being a less flamboyant player to Bostock he might be a good fit for League 2 & it’s always been a horses for courses League & Dan Gardner may well be something of a thoroughbred at the level.
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We have an option on Bostock I believe
In true Rovers style though, would we stand in his way if he wanted to move on?
Could you define what you mean by 'true rovers style'?
Of course.
We have heard numerous times over the years that the club will not stand in the way of a player who wishes to move on.
Have we though? Have we heard this numerous times?
I can't remember Gavin or anybody else at the club coming out with that. Maybe a manager or two has said this 'after' a player has left but I can assure you its not the default option.
I certainly wouldn't be calling it a 'true Rovers style'.
Martin, it has been said many times on this very forum.
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Agree with comments about Gardner looks decent when played in correct position
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We have an option on Bostock I believe
In true Rovers style though, would we stand in his way if he wanted to move on?
Could you define what you mean by 'true rovers style'?
Of course.
We have heard numerous times over the years that the club will not stand in the way of a player who wishes to move on.
Have we though? Have we heard this numerous times?
I can't remember Gavin or anybody else at the club coming out with that. Maybe a manager or two has said this 'after' a player has left but I can assure you its not the default option.
I certainly wouldn't be calling it a 'true Rovers style'.
Martin, it has been said many times on this very forum.
The two are disconnected though surely? True Rovers style and Viking Chat comments can’t be the same thing. Comments can be a reflection of what supporters think is what happens inside the club but from my experience they are never terribly accurate.
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I've got this funny feeling Bostock might stay, and here are my reasons why.
If he was honest with himself, he'd realise he's not blessed with lots of pace, he'd be closed down even quicker if he went to a Championship side, and does lose possession a lot when on the ball even in league one, (hence why he falls down a lot, thumping the ground and feigning injury).
He is really good when he has space and time, as he can deliver a great ball, over the top, or to feet, but the higher up the football pyramid he goes, the less time on the ball he's gonna have.
He's got a terrible injury record with us, and I wonder how he'll manage at league one or above with the tempo of the game being quicker, and the likelihood of him getting clattered again. He's 30 years old now, (coincidentally, we share the same birth date) so maybe he's got another five years left in him, and the old legs ain't gonna be what they were 10 years ago.
He must realise he's a big fish in this team, and if he went elsewhere (especially the Championship), would he be happy just benchwarming, as there is some really good competition for midfielders in both leagues.
He's within an hours drive of Donny from Nottingham, so travel time is not bad, so that must be a bonus as well.
He seems happy here, as I've said, if he can stay injury free, he knows he'll be one of the first names on the teamsheet.
Providing he is happy with his wages here, I see no reason for him to go, unless someone offers him silly money. He could stay here and help the team come straight back up next season
Just my gut feeling that's all.
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Like always it depends on the offers he gets. If they are not as good as we offer and further from home he will stay.
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I've got this funny feeling Bostock might stay, and here are my reasons why.
If he was honest with himself, he'd realise he's not blessed with lots of pace, he'd be closed down even quicker if he went to a Championship side, and does lose possession a lot when on the ball even in league one, (hence why he falls down a lot, thumping the ground and feigning injury).
He is really good when he has space and time, as he can deliver a great ball, over the top, or to feet, but the higher up the football pyramid he goes, the less time on the ball he's gonna have.
He's got a terrible injury record with us, and I wonder how he'll manage at league one or above with the tempo of the game being quicker, and the likelihood of him getting clattered again. He's 30 years old now, (coincidentally, we share the same birth date) so maybe he's got another five years left in him, and the old legs ain't gonna be what they were 10 years ago.
He must realise he's a big fish in this team, and if he went elsewhere (especially the Championship), would he be happy just benchwarming, as there is some really good competition for midfielders in both leagues.
He's within an hours drive of Donny from Nottingham, so travel time is not bad, so that must be a bonus as well.
He seems happy here, as I've said, if he can stay injury free, he knows he'll be one of the first names on the teamsheet.
Providing he is happy with his wages here, I see no reason for him to go, unless someone offers him silly money. He could stay here and help the team come straight back up next season
Just my gut feeling that's all.
It wouldn’t be the strangest thing I have ever seen him staying, we gave him a chance when noone else did, lets hope he thinks he might owe us a promotion push, he would certainly be a stand out player in league 2
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No way is he in League Two next season.
He’s only 30!
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He might feel he owes our club another season.
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Bostock, John and Fej if they can prove fitness the rest can go for me
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Bostock, John and Fej if they can prove fitness the rest can go for me
Fej can't prove his fitness. He's out for another 4 months, so would miss pre-season even if he was improving.
All that after not having played for over a year. He's not worth the gamble.
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I would add Anderson to your list, DVR. Again, if he proves he’s fit.
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DFP suggesting that we will re-sign Anderson, also Fej not likely to be out 4 months now
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Personally I would let Anderson go. Fej I would offer an incentivised contract. A lower amount than he’s on at the minute, but with goals scored climbs above his current wage. The club needs to be savvy in its deals. Don’t insult players but make sure we get value.
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If Anderson is going to be fit then I would definitely want to keep him.
If not or he decides to go elsewhere it is imperative we sign an experienced centre back. We need a leader/organiser at the heart of our defence.
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I just think that after his injury he hasn’t performed the same. Has he been carrying an injury for some time, or is it natural deterioration?. Even with him at the back we didn’t look good.
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McS on recruitment for those that haven’t seen it
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-gary-mcsheffrey-backing-his-judgement-on-new-recruits-3673886
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I would add Anderson to your list, DVR. Again, if he proves he’s fit.
The Anderson before Balcombe knocked his lights out yes, the one after no