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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Chris Black come back on April 22, 2022, 02:29:03 pm
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Didn’t see that coming.
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We really are a joke
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It really is laughable.
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well thats me staying off twitter for a while!
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Good luck Copps! He gets my backing
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Going to put the kettle on for this one.
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Copps director of football confirmed
Disaster - pointless appointment - just imagine it "well i don't choose these players”
“Its not my fault they’re not playing in right way”
What evidence is there if his football knowledge? Listening to him on iplayer he is too pally with existing players. This s cheap solution.
Club going in one direction - down
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I’m not surprised it seems to be the clubs Modus Operandi, advertise for a hi spec job, promote from within someone who gets nowhere near the hi job spec
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IMO Fantastic appointment, Absolutely committed to Doncaster Rovers, wants success here, knows what good footballers look like and great appreciation of tactics. Couldn’t think of anyone better for the position. Good luck Copps.
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None of us (or not many) are really in a position to know whether he's the best person for the job, are we? We don't really know what skills and knowledge he's developed from his exploits outside (and indeed inside) football.
Let's hope for everyone's sake that it does turn out to be the right appointment. Would hate for this to go sour.
Good luck Copps.
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I’m not going to have a go at Copps but the club along with players we bring in the summer will stand and fall by their decision making. Again like McSheffrey he was the stand out candidate. So we will see how this develops.
For the Clubs sake I hope it’s the right decision.
Good luck to Copps he will need it.
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You know, I think there’s more to Copps than people think. Yes, he’s a legend, humble, nice guy, brilliant ambassador for the club, but if you really listen to him on the commentary, he doesn’t hold back with his frustrations and insight.
I think he has a hardness and ruthlessness in there too, allied to a vast knowledge. He doesn’t suffer fools gladly and will call it like it is. If anyone knows the DNA of Rovers it’s Copps. He learned from some good sources too: ROK, SOD etc.
He sees the bigger picture. He knows what’s needed. He is involved in grass roots football, has his Pro Mindset set up. I think he will surprise a lot of those naysayers and bring structure vision and discipline.
Let’s give the man a f**king chance eh?
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Hope it turns out to be right appointment, but sadly it stinks of the cheap option again.
No point in doing all these positions and spending weeks on end just to choose someone within the club anyway as it seems to the current way of doing things.
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IMO Fantastic appointment, Absolutely committed to Doncaster Rovers, wants success here, knows what good footballers look like and great appreciation of tactics. Couldn’t think of anyone better for the position. Good luck Copps.
Is that such a good thing though? He has been an ever present at the club during the past decade which has seen the club head down this declining slope, through no fault of his own I must stress!
Nothing against Copps and he deserves his rightful place in Rovers folklore, but would have hoped for someone with a lot more experience outside of Doncaster Rovers and in the wider footballing world.
Very much feels like a token appointment for one of our most popular players in modern history. I don't really see what Coppinger can add to help us stop the rot obviously present at the core of the club.
Very much would love to be proved wrong on this in 18-24 months time.
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I pray that this isn't a Blunt puppet. Hopefully Copps makes his own decisions on how the club should work.
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None of us (or not many) are really in a position to know whether he's the best person for the job, are we? We don't really know what skills and knowledge he's developed from his exploits outside (and indeed inside) football.
Let's hope for everyone's sake that it does turn out to be the right appointment. Would hate for this to go sour.
Good luck Copps.
Its heartening to see that he is on the FA Technical Directors course, which is specifically tailored for this type of role.
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Good luck copps
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This club honestly :headbang:
I hope (like someone mentioned) he’s going to be like he is on commentary. He needs to take no shit, make some harsh decisions and tell people (including the board) what needs to be done.
Good luck James.
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It really could go either way. Ajax and a lot of other dutch clubs seems to have ex pros fulfil these types of roles and do it well but a lot of other clubs seem to have people who are more data driven and not really an old pro who bring a different perspective.
What i'd say is it does sound to be a role that suits him better than manager but there is always the feeling of old boys club about us at the moment with these appointments. It's great to promote from within when things are going well but when it isn't we're at risk of repeating or rewarding failure.
it's a complete unknown how he'll get on. We have criteria for these interviews but he will struggle to meet them because he's no experience of the role. Similar to the GM appointment in that respect. If the club could have got a person who was head of football at another or in a junior management role at a top club and say they've done x y and z then i think it wouldn't be such a risk. Same with the manager appointment which is a risk that has backfired.
So it's a risk but we can't judge it as a bad appointment yet. Same as GM appointment at the time. Very risky given our position so the board must be feeling brave to keep making the same gamble. Eventually it'll come off right?
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He wouldn't go for it if he didn't think he could do it. How about we let a bloke who knows game inside and out do what he wants to do
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In this role he'll be judged on his actions not just his past. He now has a huge role and a huge set of decisions to make. Fair play to him in my view. He knows it's a huge risk, he knows it's a tough gig and he knows the reaction.
But forgetting all that lets see what he actually does. I hope he's a success and he gets the tools he needs to do the job.
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Oh dear. we appear to be wedded to the idea of poetic reality. Last year we appointed Wellens with the comment that he "understood the DNA of the club". Analyse that phrase and you realise that it has absolutely zero meaning. It's a poetic idea that we have some sort of special quality that needs to be tapped into. Rather than a need to be managed, organised, directed etc. The prosaic reality that pretty much every successful orgnisation in the world actually implements.
I would give my left bollock to be proved wrong, but this has all the feel of us still wanting to live the fairy story of poetic reality.
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He wouldn't go for it if he didn't think he could do it. How about we let a bloke who knows game inside and out do what he wants to do
Trouble is, our last three managers wouldn't have put themselves forward if they didn't think they could have done the job. And all three failed spectacularly.
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Oh Deary me!
Again, someone that doesn’t meet the job spec.
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Fair point well made
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So all the experts on here don't want copps so who did you want.
I've seen warnock, redknapp, mcclaren to name a few.
I'm happy with copps thanks ,yes I know " the cheap option"
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I'd feel more confident about if if when the R is confirmed we are decisive and remove GM and then follow that up with the appointment of a new manager by the last game of the season.
That'd be a strong no nonsense start.
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Putting aside any judgement on Copps, we are an appalling side that will be in League Two next season after a truly horrific season, and are scraping the floor of the professional game for the second time in six seasons.
I’m not sure who people expected to be appointed in these circumstances.
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Very happy with Coppingers appointment. There's more than meets the eye with him I'm sure of that. Excited at last for next season.
Up the Donny
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Well argue all you want you've got copps so get behind him Gary mc and the team for next season ,
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I thought this person with this experience would have been more suitable.
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Doncaster Rovers FC
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Academy ManagerJan 2019 - Present 3 yrs 4 mosDoncaster, England
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Already at the Club Tony Cook.
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No its copps
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Copps seems a very intelligent bloke, huge experience in the game and clearly has a business mindset in his non footballing life.
If for example he left his current role at DRFC to take this new role on at another club, I would not at all have been surprised to read it.
For that reason, despite my original doubts I think im ok with this.
I still have arguments that a fresh pair of eyes was needed, but he deserves our backing.
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I really hope he succeeds and my gut instincts are wrong.
But I really fear we are about to destroy another career by promoting too soon (see Butler and McSheffrey).
And as an aside, I have no idea why they bother with Job Descriptions and Person Specifications.
Think 2022/23 is going to be interesting, and one thing is for sure, no matter how frustrated we feel, we all need to get behind them now.
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Let's hope there is more to Copps than meets the eye. The guy is obviously knowledgeable about football, but does he have the specific skills for this job? Knowing the club is absolutely immaterial. In fact it's one thing that we arguably didn't really want if we're on about changing things.
I am hugely sceptical but if anyone deserves to be given a chance, it's Copps.
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No surprise, obviously, but I hope he has someone assisting in the background who he can turn to if necessary for advice.
And I don't mean another Lee Carsley situation but someone like SO'D etc, with lots of experience and knowledge of how similar roles operate at other clubs.
What's important now is that he is given a chance to look at all aspects of the club with a 'hire and fire' responsibility, and is backed by the chairman who needs to leave him to get on with it.
The roles of manager and HOF also need to be clearly defined.
Copps should be involved in whether the manager goes or stays (hopefully the former), establishing a playing and coaching identity across all teams etc, reporting only to the board while the manager, who would be below him in the hierarchy, needs to have sole responsibility for picking the team, tactics etc, and have a major say on which players come in and go out.
Both should then stand or fall by the decisions they make.
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Canadian Rover if any was to get it at the club I thought like you Tony Cook. Don’t know whether he applied though The Chairman believes we’ve got the right person.
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Rovers chairman David Blunt said: “We are delighted to appoint James in this newly-created position.
“From our recruitment process it was clear that there are few individuals in the game that know and understand this football club in as much depth, or hold as much passion for it as James does.
“That passion extended to the role itself, and it was clear he has envisioned himself in such a position for the last several years.
“He demonstrated clear ideas by which he will mould our football operation to ensure success in the long-term as well as imprinting a lasting identity.
“It is a priority to create cohesion and ensure the culture within our football operation is right, and we are confident James can deliver that."
“After a disappointing year there is plenty of work ahead but we feel that, by creating this role and filling it with the man we have selected, strong foundations will be laid.
“We look forward to a bright future with James leading the way.”
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One hell of a job to sort the mess we have become, good luck Cops.
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Let's hope JC is leading the way then and not the otherwise anonymous chairman.
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I think they are wanting a young appointment to the job in giving Coppinger the job.
He might not meet everything on the job description but we all know he loves the club, he’s been here long enough.
He wouldn’t have been my pick for that particular role but he’s been appointed.
I know he will do everything with the clubs best interest’s at heart. Good luck to him. Make sure the manager gets every bit of help needed to be a success.
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They missed a trick not giving him the job on Easter Monday and selling it as the resurrection of JC.
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They didn’t want to buy him an Easter egg, cheap skates I tell you!. Like a boyfriend finishing with the girlfriend and getting back with her after Christmas!
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Hopefully his first job in the role will be looking for a decent 1st team coach.
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I don’t think they are going to change McSheffrey. Should do but won’t.
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Im not knocking Copps at all but what has he done at the club this season?
Excellent on ifollow I am told but wasn't his strength supposed to be that he would bring to the team his motivational skills?
If that is one of his stand out qualities then it plainly hasn't worked.
I like JC he's a nice guy but I fear it will all end in tears.
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It's a joke, jobs for mates, cheap option IMO ........ i would be interested to hear the recruiting panel explain how Copps satisfied the job spec ...... perhaps he knows more than I give hime credit for ...... e.g knowledge and experience of data led analysis, sports science, record of developing coaching, track record of HOF .... this ain't no revolution
I hope I am wrong but ........ terrible appointment
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As said on here get rid of Jeffery mcsheffery and we’re happy.
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I'm sure it's purely a coincidence that the best people for both the Manager and HoFO roles just so happen to be ex-players already employed at the club, no previous experience of the role and no indication of them even wanting to do it beforehand.
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I was laughed at for merely suggesting this some time ago when a HoF was hinted at.
And I suggested it tongue in cheek. Not believing for one minute that Rovers would allow this . To a club Legend. And not believing he would take on what could be seen by many as a poisoned chalice.
Then Part of me realised that with recent events at the club, it just wouldn’t surprise me at all.
I’m completely underwhelmed by this.
I hope it works out for him and the club. I really do.
However.
We turned Richie Wellens from a hero to a zero.
I hope we don’t do the same to JC.
I wish him luck. He is going to need it.
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Is this appointment separate from the mentor that GM said he wanted when he first got the job?
It’s been mentioned that Lee Carsley was someone GM could talk to and maybe that’s been happening, maybe not. Did it prove to be not much use hence this more formal appointment?
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If copps sacks GM today then he may be on the right path but if he’s happy to keep him after what he’s witnessed then it proves copps is the wrong appointment
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Love Copps, I would have him at the club, perhaps not in this capacity.
I am willing to give him time in this job, don't understand how you would otherwise judge success in such a role without time.
How decision-making works at the club now is going to be quite interesting. We have a CEO, Chairman, DOF, head of recruitment, and head coach. Either they stick to their roles and responsibilities or it becomes a camel being designed by a committee kind of situation.
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It is a popularity appointment that was always going to happen, but shows they don’t know the fans. Coppinger deserves a good job at the club, he has worked hard for many years. But it should always be the best man for the job. The advertisement of the post meant nothing.
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Let's see eh? FWIW, I don't think it's a cheap option by the club. I don't think Copps will hesitate to make changes and be absolutely clinical. He's an absolute baller.
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Well I am shocked. Thought they would be looking for an outsider.
In my opinion this is not a good move.
I really hope I am proved wrong.
Good luck Copps I hope this really works for you. The last thing I want to see is Copps taking the flack if things don’t go well.
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Completely understand why people are upset at this appointment.
However I think it is good. Someone has already mentioned that the Dutch/Spanish seem to go down this route too and would appear to be successful.
Let’s go Copps!
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Complete joke, I think if you have had a season ticket you can go in a prize draw for the next manager , utter shameful of the board
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It is a popularity appointment that was always going to happen,
Popularity appointment! You've not read this thread have you Sammy?
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No surprise, obviously, but I hope he has someone assisting in the background who he can turn to if necessary for advice.
And I don't mean another Lee Carsley situation but someone like SO'D etc, with lots of experience and knowledge of how similar roles operate at other clubs.
What's important now is that he is given a chance to look at all aspects of the club with a 'hire and fire' responsibility, and is backed by the chairman who needs to leave him to get on with it.
The roles of manager and HOF also need to be clearly defined.
Copps should be involved in whether the manager goes or stays (hopefully the former), establishing a playing and coaching identity across all teams etc, reporting only to the board while the manager, who would be below him in the hierarchy, needs to have sole responsibility for picking the team, tactics etc, and have a major say on which players come in and go out.
Both should then stand or fall by the decisions they make.
How many people can we keep employing who have to look to others for the answers. Why not actually go get the people who have them instead of shuffling the current staff into different roles expecting different results
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Some folks need to get a grip. Remember who we're talking about here. I have absolute faith in Copps.
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I have lost count of the interviews that I have had to sit through for senior positions where candidates present various qualifications and testimony of experience. I can count on one hand the number of these candidates that were employed. The successful candidates demonstrated a passion for the position on offer along with a rationale of how it would be achieved.
James has a passion for football ,he is intelligent and capable of succeeding in business, James has succeeded in football and business acumen in his 41 years on this planet. I am not a great fan of criticism or contradicting individuals capacities of doing a good job without being witness to the individuals results in the job. JC has knowledge of the club, football tactics, fitness and diet, contracts negotiating and has set up a number of successful companies.
So before handing down any question of not being suitable for the post of HoF at DRFC I will listen to his rationale and plan for taking DRFC forward before sitting in judgement. All I would add is knowing JC as I do he would not taking the job on unless he felt that he would be successful and he would put the same commitment to HoF as he did as a player.
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I for one wish him the best of luck. I really, really hope this works out for him and most importantly, the club. It’s a great opportunity, hopefully not given through blind faith but on merit because he genuinely has what it takes.
Let’s be honest, all of us to a man (and woman) that supports this club wanted Copps to continue to have a significant role at the club after his playing days. Listening to the man himself, that was never going to be as first team coach/manager.
Well, he’s got the top non executive job. Let’s give him a chance and show him the respect he deserves, there’s been some down right rude and disrespectful views shown by some so far.
Good luck James. I hope this works out and we can get back what we’ve lost over the past 24 months in the coming season.
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Some folks need to get a grip. Remember who we're talking about here. I have absolute faith in Copps.
Just because he was a wizard on the ball doesn’t mean he’s going to be a success with anything he turns his hand to. On paper it’s very clear why this appointment is raising eyebrows. We don’t need someone that knows and understands the club; we need someone that knows and understands how to turn it into a much better operation than the pantomime that it’s become.
That’s not to say he shouldn’t be given a chance by the fans given he’s got the job now but you can see why people would question the appointment.
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IMO Fantastic appointment, Absolutely committed to Doncaster Rovers, wants success here, knows what good footballers look like and great appreciation of tactics. Couldn’t think of anyone better for the position. Good luck Copps.
He has no idea experience or net work to put from . Blind appointment from a board of directors who just want US to just suck it up!!
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He has no idea experience or net work to put from .
Another stupid thing to say.
He has a couple more decades experience in football than me or you.
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Come on let's all get behind Copps (Roy of the Rovers) you couldn't write this, or could you :ermm: :woohoo: :rtid:
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He has no idea experience or net work to put from .
Another stupid thing to say.
He has a couple more decades experience in football than me or you.
Exactly, but what do you expect from the the usual doom mongers who don't give any actual depth of thought but just blindly criticise absolutely everything?
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That was 10 years ago Normal Rules. You don't think people evolve a bit? Develop? Mature?
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Business acumen?
Owner of Kixxboro and partner in Pro mindset both successful companies check account if in doubt.
Are you suggesting that JC is of the same ilk as M Chopra.
I doubt it .
I suggest you get your spade out⚽️
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Popularity appointment? If it was intended as that then it has been a massive own goal.
I sincerely hope this appointment has been made because Copps actually really is the best man for this job.
Time will tell.
We need to get behind him and give him our full support. :that:
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I think this is a good move. Completely understandable all the negativity surrounding the club as it has been on a downward spiral for a while. But don’t underestimate Copps. He has a ruthless edge and he has and a positive resilience mindset (he needs it if he reads this forum or Twitter). His book gives a good insight into the man himself.
I’d rather have a younger enthusiastic knowledgable guy then an old head looking for a pre-retirement pay day.
Copps is well respected in the game and the players he has played with and against are steadily moving into the coaching and management world so he will have his networks
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We don’t even know the level of applicants - how can we say he was the best man?
He may well have been the stand out candidate from those that were interviewed, but if we never had a significant applicant, then…….!
Nobody is disrespecting Copps, he has been a phenomena for our Club and there’s far too many good memories of him as a player to be tainted by whatever happens next. I hope he succeeds in his new role, but that will depend on some things beyond his control and that is how the Board backs him. The spotlight is truly on that one thing, now!
The one thing that bugs me is what the Chairman said about why he was the outstanding candidate, in that he demonstrated a thorough knowledge of the Club ……. and that wasn’t even a requirement in the job description. So, did they ever want to give it to an ‘outsider’?
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Some folks need to get a grip. Remember who we're talking about here. I have absolute faith in Copps.
Just because he was a wizard on the ball doesn’t mean he’s going to be a success with anything he turns his hand to. On paper it’s very clear why this appointment is raising eyebrows. We don’t need someone that knows and understands the club; we need someone that knows and understands how to turn it into a much better operation than the pantomime that it’s become.
That’s not to say he shouldn’t be given a chance by the fans given he’s got the job now but you can see why people would question the appointment.
Of course Nick. Completely understand questioning the appointment. What pisses me off is the default negativity of some posters before the man has even started in his new role. It’s unbelievable, as Copps would say.
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Absolutely no doubt Copps deserves some role within the club, as he gave so many years of loyal service.
What I dont get is why bother putting it out to public, with a jazzed up job description if you know who will be getting it.
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That was 10 years ago Normal Rules. You don't think people evolve a bit? Develop? Mature?
Not in my experience. No.
Gambling. Dishonesty. Fraud. Bribery. Corruption. Greed.
They are very difficult behavioural traits to shake.
People get older and wiser yes. But that just makes their behaviour more complex. And perhaps harder to spot, if not impossible.
A perfect opportunity has arisen here. Or was it engineered?
A gamble for him too. But we know he likes a gamble. Especially if the dice is loaded.
A senior management position in a football league club?
From little or no management background. Little or No business acumen.
Money, power, influence.
The rest you know.
All just opinion of course.
And a very low one at that ,almost slanderous
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We don’t even know the level of applicants - how can we say he was the best man?
He may well have been the stand out candidate from those that were interviewed, but if we never had a significant applicant, then…….!
Nobody is disrespecting Copps, he has been a phenomena for our Club and there’s far too many good memories of him as a player to be tainted by whatever happens next. I hope he succeeds in his new role, but that will depend on some things beyond his control and that is how the Board backs him. The spotlight is truly on that one thing, now!
The one thing that bugs me is what the Chairman said about why he was the outstanding candidate, in that he demonstrated a thorough knowledge of the Club ……. and that wasn’t even a requirement in the job description. So, did they ever want to give it to an ‘outsider’?
Probably not. It’s the exact same drivel they churned out when appointing G Mac.
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Some folks need to get a grip. Remember who we're talking about here. I have absolute faith in Copps.
Just because he was a wizard on the ball doesn’t mean he’s going to be a success with anything he turns his hand to. On paper it’s very clear why this appointment is raising eyebrows. We don’t need someone that knows and understands the club; we need someone that knows and understands how to turn it into a much better operation than the pantomime that it’s become.
That’s not to say he shouldn’t be given a chance by the fans given he’s got the job now but you can see why people would question the appointment.
Of course Nick. Completely understand questioning the appointment. What pisses me off is the default negativity of some posters before the man has even started in his new role. It’s unbelievable, as Copps would say.
Yeah I’d agree with that - he’s got the job now, and just because he appears unqualified doesn’t mean that there should be any criticism of him. It’s like a player like Maguire getting flack for his transfer fee - he didn’t pay it himself so it’s not really the right place to level the criticism. Copps himself deserves the chance to get started and show us what he can do.
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Nobody is criticising Copps. Nobody.
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It's OK everyone we have a young inexperienced HOF but he has an official mentor in SOD ya know in the same way Carsley is the official mentor for GMC
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Business acumen?
Owner of Kixxboro and partner in Pro mindset both successful companies check account if in doubt.
Are you suggesting that JC is of the same ilk as M Chopra.
I doubt it .
I suggest you get your spade out⚽️
James Coppinger holds 1 Director position, with Kixx Middlesbrough according to companies house - I can’t find any others but please provide links if you can. Unaudited abbreviated accounts submitted to 31/05/20 showing no Profit and Loss and net liabilities of c£6k.
Interested in your view.
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IMO Fantastic appointment, Absolutely committed to Doncaster Rovers, wants success here, knows what good footballers look like and great appreciation of tactics. Couldn’t think of anyone better for the position. Good luck Copps.
He has no idea experience or net work to put from . Blind appointment from a board of directors who just want US to just suck it up!!
Almost as bad as blind criticism of everything done by the club, eh?
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It is a popularity appointment that was always going to happen,
Popularity appointment! You've not read this thread have you Sammy?
No they thought it would be, they didn’t know their supporters.
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I hope that Copps is a real success but I think it’s very short sighted of the club and him
I obviously d.not know what influence he will have or what I put he already has had
It’s short sighted from him because at the moment the club are in a bit of a free fall and he has been part of that. I don’t know how much a part but he has been a part
If it doesn’t work out and I really want it to he will be on his way and his legendary status will be tainted
It’s short sighted by the club because with all the best will in the world he is not experienced and they should have gone outside
At the end of the day it was obvious he was getting the job it was the worst kept secret.
The club is obsessed by ex players.
I thought he had some input in the January transfers and look what happened then
I really do genuinely wish him well and hope he is a great success and can attract players of quality and all my doubts are wrong.
It’s a big risk by him
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Good luck Copps and I can’t think of anyone better for the role. For the first time I was beginning to struggle to find anyone in the club that gave me the inspiration to make the four hour round trip for home games so I am delighted that you have got this role and look forward to the journey ahead. It is not going to be easy but we all have to keep the faith.
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Business acumen?
Owner of Kixxboro and partner in Pro mindset both successful companies check account if in doubt.
Are you suggesting that JC is of the same ilk as M Chopra.
I doubt it .
I suggest you get your spade out⚽️
James Coppinger holds 1 Director position, with Kixx Middlesbrough according to companies house - I can’t find any others but please provide links if you can. Unaudited abbreviated accounts submitted to 31/05/20 showing no Profit and Loss and net liabilities of c£6k.
Interested in your view.
Copps is the only active Director of Promindset Limited and appears to be the sole owner of the business.
He is also a Director of Zenic Group Limited, involved in acquiring SME businesses and My 1st Football Boots Limited, which retails children's football boots.
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One of his first jobs must be to sack Graham Younger. Then go from there.
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One of his first jobs must be to sack Graham Younger. Then go from there.
:whistle:
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Business acumen?
Owner of Kixxboro and partner in Pro mindset both successful companies check account if in doubt.
Are you suggesting that JC is of the same ilk as M Chopra.
I doubt it .
I suggest you get your spade out⚽️
James Coppinger holds 1 Director position, with Kixx Middlesbrough according to companies house - I can’t find any others but please provide links if you can. Unaudited abbreviated accounts submitted to 31/05/20 showing no Profit and Loss and net liabilities of c£6k.
Interested in your view.
Copps is the only active Director of Promindset Limited and appears to be the sole owner of the business.
He is also a Director of Zenic Group Limited, involved in acquiring SME businesses and My 1st Football Boots Limited, which retails children's football boots.
Thanks, all different addresses it appears. Hence the confusion.
Also, just for good order, these other entities are all dormant (not trading) or brand new I believe?
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It is a popularity appointment that was always going to happen,
Popularity appointment! You've not read this thread have you Sammy?
No they thought it would be, they didn’t know their supporters.
Or their supporters don't know Copps like they think they do...
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It is a popularity appointment that was always going to happen,
Popularity appointment! You've not read this thread have you Sammy?
No they thought it would be, they didn’t know their supporters.
Or their supporters don't know Copps like they think they do...
I don't think or haven't read anywhere that anyone has aimed any criticism at all towards JC.
He is very much loved by ALL our fans.
The negativity is aimed at those who took the cheap, easy, untried option of appointing someone internally after a lengthy supposed thorough interview process.
I really hope it works for Copps and the club and it doesn't turn out to be " The Experiment Part 2"
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I bet Copps thinks its being offensive calling him cheap.
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I bet Copps thinks its being offensive calling him cheap.
I assume you don't think it is the cheap option then?
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If you listen to Copps interview, he understands perfectly what people have been saying and respects their views.
The cheap jibe is not aimed at him and you know it.
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I have no idea what his wage is,i assume you do.
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I don't think he's the cheap option. The wage offer would have been along the same lines for everyone. What we should be asking is, is he the right option?
A few bits in his interview give me hope, the first is that he's actually wanted to go into this role for a few years now and has been working towards it, including by enrolling on the fa technical director course. The fact he wants to do this while having no desire to go into management says to me that he views the roles very differently, which is good because they are different. You don't want a coach or a manager for this job, it's a very different skill set.
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Good luck to Copps. Maybe he wasn't a cheap option and every applicant was offered the same salary? Having said that though, maybe some of the applicants thought the salary wasn't high enough, leaving the position open to Copps?
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How many clubs below the premiership and Championship have a head of football? I would suggest not many and therefore there won't be a rate for the job. This would allow the board to set the bar low and yes that is possibly why maybe some of the applicants weren't interested.
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There's nothing cheap about it given the role is new and didn't exist previously.
That would suggest it's extra expenditure.
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There's nothing cheap about it given the role is new and didn't exist previously.
That would suggest it's extra expenditure.
So I haven't had dishwasher before and I now decide to purchase one. DI go for the own brand or the Bosch?
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There's nothing cheap about it given the role is new and didn't exist previously.
That would suggest it's extra expenditure.
So I haven't had dishwasher before and I now decide to purchase one. DI go for the own brand or the Bosch?
Thing is the Bosch and the own brand may well be made in same factory. The only difference may just be the name on the front. Sometimes you are just paying over the odds to get a name/badge!
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There's nothing cheap about it given the role is new and didn't exist previously.
That would suggest it's extra expenditure.
So I haven't had dishwasher before and I now decide to purchase one. DI go for the own brand or the Bosch?
Maybe check the reviews of each beforehand.
And why have you waited so long to get one?
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Love Copps, I would have him at the club, perhaps not in this capacity.
I am willing to give him time in this job, don't understand how you would otherwise judge success in such a role without time.
How decision-making works at the club now is going to be quite interesting. We have a CEO, Chairman, DOF, head of recruitment, and head coach. Either they stick to their roles and responsibilities or it becomes a camel being designed by a committee kind of situation.
I agree, Copps, decision-making at the club will indeed be quite interesting, particularly since the role is HOF and not DOF. IIRC the role at DRFC will report to the CEO, who (I believe it was said by Silent Majority recently) has no football operational responsibilities or input. Thus far, football operational decisions were being made by the Chairman, what will he be doing when JC takes the reigns?
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There's nothing cheap about it given the role is new and didn't exist previously.
That would suggest it's extra expenditure.
So I haven't had dishwasher before and I now decide to purchase one. DI go for the own brand or the Bosch?
I was so impressed by my dishwasher I married her
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Well, the HOF starts with a 2-0 win.
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Do not hassle the Hoff.
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Hofmeister (although to be fair, training beer)
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I bet Copps thinks its being offensive calling him cheap.
I assume you don't think it is the cheap option then?
As we don't know the terms involved what I'm assuming is that you're assuming that he is a so-called 'cheap option'.
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All over the world, some elite clubs have created this role and given it to an ex player, I don’t see what all the fuss is about.
His success won’t be instant, it’s his job to start to implement change for long term.
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He’s worked his magic already. It’s the stern words he gave them as head of football, before the game.
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All over the world, some elite clubs have created this role and given it to an ex player, I don’t see what all the fuss is about.
His success won’t be instant, it’s his job to start to implement change for long term.
Kinda where I'm at on this, if it were any other club & their legend would there be anything like the kind of negativity there is on here? Would people be happier with someone who has no particular affinity for the club & might not hang around that long?
Copps has clearly been working towards this role & am sure has the passion & drive above any other candidate. He knows the club inside out & has seen the successful times as well as the not so, if anyone can work out what's required to get us back why not him? I think after Butler failed lots of folk just think that every internal appointment is gonna do the same, let's give the man a chance, surely we're happier him making footballing decisions than Blunt?
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Has the full interview been put up yet? I cant find it anywhere
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The one thing that is cheap is people continually saying cheap option.
It’s pathetic. No one knows what the salaries are. Anyway how much is cheap and how much is expensive. Someone care to explain that to me please.
Where is the line.
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Seen a few whispers on twitter that Graham Younger has left, anyone heard owt?
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Seen a few whispers on twitter that Graham Younger has left, anyone heard owt?
Heard the same from someone sat in front of me today. It’s on Twitter but a solid source so I am told.
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I bet Copps thinks its being offensive calling him cheap.
I couldn’t give a flying fig how coppinger feels about any of the comments on this thread- if it bothers him he should never has put his name forward.
He needs to prove why he deserved it in action and results. I hope he succeeds, but his track record as a player has no relevance to this appointment.
Personally, my fear is that he has been passed a poisoned chalice, which will damage his legacy.
He has very little experience outside of the limited DRFC bubble in my opinion. But I hope he proves me wrong.
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Seen a few whispers on twitter that Graham Younger has left, anyone heard owt?
Yes, it was talked about around a week ago.
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Nothing against Younger but it hasn’t worked out. We need to be top notch at scouting players.
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I wish Coppinger all the very best in this new role and obviously hope he succeeds.
I don't blame him for taking the opportunity on just as I don't blame McSheffrey for taking on the manager's role.
However I will criticise the Board here. We desparately needed someone with experience and a proven track record to sort out the mess the club is in on the playing side.
Just as we needed a manager with experience in the summer when the squad was being overhauled; just as we needed a manager with a good track record in December to get us out of the mess we were in.
I think the experience of McCann's then Moore's departures has led the club down the road of appointing people they think will stay long term due to perceived loyalty (Butler, Wellens, McSheffrey, now Coppinger) over appointing the highest quality candidates.
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When does Copps start in his new role, or was it today.
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Spud:
………every internal appointment is gonna do the same, let's give the man a chance, surely we're happier him making footballing decisions than Blunt?
Copps will get every chance, and the time, to prove his effectiveness in the role. There’s no alternative now, as the decision has been made (and has probably been made for some time).
There is only one thing left to ponder, imho, when Copps has done all his good work, it will come down to recommending who we should bring in for x, y and z positions in the team and the same guy (pre Copps) will be signing them off (or not) at the end of the day.
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Spud:
………every internal appointment is gonna do the same, let's give the man a chance, surely we're happier him making footballing decisions than Blunt?
Copps will get every chance, and the time, to prove his effectiveness in the role. There’s no alternative now, as the decision has been made (and has probably been made for some time).
There is only one thing left to ponder, imho, when Copps has done all his good work, it will come down to recommending who we should bring in for x, y and z positions in the team and the same guy (pre Copps) will be signing them off (or not) at the end of the day.
Every chance as long as he doesn't read this forum, where most, whilst hoping they're wrong, have decided it's the cheap/easy/wrong option.
I do wonder who people realistically expected or even recommended? Can't recall many names put forward, other than Warnock, who's retired
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Spud:
………every internal appointment is gonna do the same, let's give the man a chance, surely we're happier him making footballing decisions than Blunt?
Copps will get every chance, and the time, to prove his effectiveness in the role. There’s no alternative now, as the decision has been made (and has probably been made for some time).
There is only one thing left to ponder, imho, when Copps has done all his good work, it will come down to recommending who we should bring in for x, y and z positions in the team and the same guy (pre Copps) will be signing them off (or not) at the end of the day.
Every chance as long as he doesn't read this forum, where most, whilst hoping they're wrong, have decided it's the cheap/easy/wrong option.
I do wonder who people realistically expected or even recommended? Can't recall many names put forward, other than Warnock, who's retired
I don't think people were wanting a name we've heard of tbf, so would be difficult to put forward. The most forward thinking and best for this job was never gonna be an ex-manager. The aim was someone like Liam Sweeting.
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One of his first jobs must be to sack Graham Younger. Then go from there.
Step 1 complete.