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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Donny Exile in York on May 01, 2022, 02:50:11 pm
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/abject-failure-on-and-off-the-pitch-sports-writer-paul-goodwins-verdict-on-doncaster-rovers-relegation-to-league-two-3676532
Very good summary assessment of our season and position imho.
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agreed, it ' hits the nail on the head ', so to speak.
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Post of the season and shows what work there is to do.
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That just looks to me like someone has been regularly reading this forum and put together an article from snippets that have been said and repeated on here over and over again. There is nothing new or revelatory in that article that hasn't been said on here time and time again
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That just looks to me like someone has been regularly reading this forum and put together an article from snippets that have been said and repeated on here over and over again. There is nothing new or revelatory in that article that hasn't been said on here time and time again
Yes, Raven, but some of us were saying it right at the beginning of the season and getting slaughtered for it.
I remember saying it at the New York Stadium, and supporters around me looking gobsmacked that I should dare suggest such a thing.
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Anybody out there disagree with what's been written?
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Anybody out there disagree with what's been written?
We are all left bemused by this relegation , we ALL just about predicted it , yet our concerns fell on deaf ears .
We don’t have say even now when it’s obvious that the appointments of Copps and McSheffrey are concerning. Add the lack of quality in the contracted players and the painful fact that those who made all the mistakes are still going to make them ….and we don’t get a say ! The past is done with but I do not see a future under this clueless bunch !
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So would you suggest you need to be on the transfer panel then
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Anybody out there disagree with what's been written?
We are all left bemused by this relegation , we ALL just about predicted it , yet our concerns fell on deaf ears .
We don’t have say even now when it’s obvious that the appointments of Copps and McSheffrey are concerning. Add the lack of quality in the contracted players and the painful fact that those who made all the mistakes are still going to make them ….and we don’t get a say ! The past is done with but I do not see a future under this clueless bunch !
Well you do surprise me. Who would have thought you would say something like that.
Well you better get on the board pretty quick if you want a serious say in how the club is run.
Do you ever go to “ meet the owners meetings” to air your views?
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SO many moan & winge then do nothing at all. It’s simple enough attend the MTO evenings which are open to all or work WITH the club & its owners.
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I recall Since-1969 posting on here not that long ago that he was going to spend Saturday afternoons next season in Ikea. So what is he still doing on here?
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Just remind us all how the MTO nights work. You’re lucky if you get to ask one question! And God forbid if it’s a 3 or 4 part question!
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Submit the question(s) in a structured way possibly in advance.
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Anybody out there disagree with what's been written?
We are all left bemused by this relegation , we ALL just about predicted it , yet our concerns fell on deaf ears .
We don’t have say even now when it’s obvious that the appointments of Copps and McSheffrey are concerning. Add the lack of quality in the contracted players and the painful fact that those who made all the mistakes are still going to make them ….and we don’t get a say ! The past is done with but I do not see a future under this clueless bunch !
Remind me again when we ever 'had a say'.
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Why should you have a say?
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So that’s where we failed so badly this year - the club didn’t consult with 1969 to ask who to sign and help pick the team
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The MTO meetings do not solve anything on the football field as they all have said in it that’s down to the manager. We have failed in the last 16 months decision making making on the football side as been awful. The blame doesn’t lie with one person. We hopefully have started to change with additional staff. Whether posters accept that is down to their own opinions. To improve on the field we need a good summer better quality recruitment, it may cost, the correct decisions on which out of contract players we keep( GMC said only the best ones). Debate and arguments will continue until we see the football club improving in its primary goal which is on the field.
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Just remind us all how the MTO nights work. You’re lucky if you get to ask one question! And God forbid if it’s a 3 or 4 part question!
I’ve only been to one MTO night and that was when Alfie and Marquis (the latter who looked as though he didn’t want to be there) attended. I was disappointed to listen to one bloke who described the previous questioner as an a—-e hole when addressing Mr Bramall. I don’t think these nights have any value.
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My point exactly, GR, but the number of people on here who suggest anyone with a gripe ought to to the MTO, as if, magically, all their concerns will be sorted.
I think there were approximately 200 attendees at the last MTO and there were something like 10 questions asked. I’ll let you do the maths.
It is a complete waste of time. The only thing it does is remind us what Blunt and Bramall look like, as they’re hardly ever at games.
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Hardly ever at the games? You sure about that Alan? Presume you habit the South stand so how are you so sure that they don't attend many games?
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Someone keeps on nicking their parking spaces then.
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Goodwin gets criticised for “recycling”, but of course a journalist does not have unlimited access. His advantage is that he is objective, yet sympathetic as is obvious when he is in conversation online with Sunderland bloggers prior to our games with them.
He did a long stint commentating on iFollow or its predecessor and he always retained a balanced perspective. As a journalist I rate him higher than Hoden who was not as objective or succinct.
It is an honest appraisal even though I do not agree with every word.
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Have the DFP even done an interview with the club since Hoden left
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PG is usually the second to ask questions at the Manager Press Conferences and his style is less matey than his predecessor.
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My point exactly, GR, but the number of people on here who suggest anyone with a gripe ought to to the MTO, as if, magically, all their concerns will be sorted.
I think there were approximately 200 attendees at the last MTO and there were something like 10 questions asked. I’ll let you do the maths.
It is a complete waste of time. The only thing it does is remind us what Blunt and Bramall look like, as they’re hardly ever at games.
Typical Alan, so wrong on many counts.
Firstly Blunt and Bramall attend most games, contrary to your oft repeated assertion that we need reminding what they look like, they are always at home games. Its rare for them both to miss a game, and very often they are both there. I'm sure others on this board can vouch for that.
And the MTO is not a waste of time. Those of us in the 'fan movement' who've advocated for increased 'fan engagement' and for club owners to listen to and involve themselves within the supporter base are appalled at your head in the sand attitude. The very fact that the owners turn up in person, along with all senior members of staff twice a year, is an activity that most other clubs can only dream of.
In so many ways its the same old damned if you do and damned if you don't. If they didn't hold an MTO event then they would be criticised for not doing so, and when they do they're criticised for it being a waste of time. The value of those evenings is asking the right questions, and then listening to the answers. At the last one TB definitely spelt out his ambitions for the club, but yet nobody pays any attention to that, they just want to believe what they want to believe. Just like you Alan, you get given the information and the answers, you just choose to keep ignoring it because it suits your agenda.
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I’m wrong? On so many counts? You’re having a laugh, I assume?
OK, I wasn’t going to bother, but here goes:
oft repeated assertion that we need reminding what they look like
First of all, my comment was a bit ‘tongue-in-cheek’ but as some people seem to have had a sense of humour bypass, I’ll just ask this - tell me where I’ve ever said this before?
And the MTO is not a waste of time. Those of us in the 'fan movement' who've advocated for increased 'fan engagement' and for club owners to listen to and involve themselves within the supporter base are appalled at your head in the sand attitude. The very fact that the owners turn up in person, along with all senior members of staff twice a year, is an activity that most other clubs can only dream of.
In my eyes, it is a waste of time. I’ve been to them in the past and the only questions I’ve ever wanted to ask are football related, so why go and ask the very people who don’t want to talk about football issues and just pass it over to whoever the manager is at that point in time. As far as I’m aware, we don’t have a meet the manager meetings, so, for me, they’re a waste of time.
At the last one TB definitely spelt out his ambitions for the club, but yet nobody pays any attention to that, they just want to believe what they want to believe.
First of all, I wasn’t at the last one, but I did read what TB said in the DFP. I’m not sure he answered the question, as what he did say was along the lines of…….I’m not Bramelovic and went on to say DRFC will find their level. It wasn’t too long ago he was telling us that his ambition was for us to be a sustainable Championship Club! It’s not quite going to plan, is it? Yes, we’re starting to try and correct a few wrongs, but the proof of where we go next is yet to be realised.
And, finally:
Let me just say I have no ‘agenda’, I want my Club (and yes, despite the absolute shambles of the last 18 months or more, I still see them as my Club) to be as successful as they possibly can be. Now, even you Martin, can see that our success has been in short supply lately and I can only see a Club in a state of decline. Now, you have my permission to pass my answers to whoever you want in the ‘fan movement’ and maybe, just maybe, they can see that this supporter is far from having his ‘head in the sand’.
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My point exactly, GR, but the number of people on here who suggest anyone with a gripe ought to to the MTO, as if, magically, all their concerns will be sorted.
I think there were approximately 200 attendees at the last MTO and there were something like 10 questions asked. I’ll let you do the maths.
It is a complete waste of time. The only thing it does is remind us what Blunt and Bramall look like, as they’re hardly ever at games.
Typical Alan, so wrong on many counts.
Firstly Blunt and Bramall attend most games, contrary to your oft repeated assertion that we need reminding what they look like, they are always at home games. Its rare for them both to miss a game, and very often they are both there. I'm sure others on this board can vouch for that.
And the MTO is not a waste of time. Those of us in the 'fan movement' who've advocated for increased 'fan engagement' and for club owners to listen to and involve themselves within the supporter base are appalled at your head in the sand attitude. The very fact that the owners turn up in person, along with all senior members of staff twice a year, is an activity that most other clubs can only dream of.
In so many ways its the same old damned if you do and damned if you don't. If they didn't hold an MTO event then they would be criticised for not doing so, and when they do they're criticised for it being a waste of time. The value of those evenings is asking the right questions, and then listening to the answers. At the last one TB definitely spelt out his ambitions for the club, but yet nobody pays any attention to that, they just want to believe what they want to believe. Just like you Alan, you get given the information and the answers, you just choose to keep ignoring it because it suits your agenda.
Does TB's ambition for the club equate to watching Barlow lose the ball down the wing each home game? A very poor re-signing.
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My point exactly, GR, but the number of people on here who suggest anyone with a gripe ought to to the MTO, as if, magically, all their concerns will be sorted.
I think there were approximately 200 attendees at the last MTO and there were something like 10 questions asked. I’ll let you do the maths.
It is a complete waste of time. The only thing it does is remind us what Blunt and Bramall look like, as they’re hardly ever at games.
Typical Alan, so wrong on many counts.
Firstly Blunt and Bramall attend most games, contrary to your oft repeated assertion that we need reminding what they look like, they are always at home games. Its rare for them both to miss a game, and very often they are both there. I'm sure others on this board can vouch for that.
And the MTO is not a waste of time. Those of us in the 'fan movement' who've advocated for increased 'fan engagement' and for club owners to listen to and involve themselves within the supporter base are appalled at your head in the sand attitude. The very fact that the owners turn up in person, along with all senior members of staff twice a year, is an activity that most other clubs can only dream of.
In so many ways its the same old damned if you do and damned if you don't. If they didn't hold an MTO event then they would be criticised for not doing so, and when they do they're criticised for it being a waste of time. The value of those evenings is asking the right questions, and then listening to the answers. At the last one TB definitely spelt out his ambitions for the club, but yet nobody pays any attention to that, they just want to believe what they want to believe. Just like you Alan, you get given the information and the answers, you just choose to keep ignoring it because it suits your agenda.
Does TB's ambition for the club equate to watching Barlow lose the ball down the wing each home game? A very poor re-signing.
He's not signed.
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Quote from vaya
He's not signed.
But he’s been offered one Why ??
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Quote from vaya
He's not signed.
But he’s been offered one Why ??
Presumably because the manager thinks he's worth one, whether people agree with it or not.
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I think Barlow could prove a few people wrong.
Hope so anyway, but doubt if TB or DB will see him do it because I don't think they do attend many games.
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Someone keeps nicking their cars and parking them in their parking spots then.
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Someone keeps nicking their cars and parking them in their parking spots then.
They must be paying some look alikes to sit in their seats as well.
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Someone keeps nicking their cars and parking them in their parking spots then.
They must be paying some look alikes to sit in their seats as well.
Maybe they should have got involved the football side while they were present and they wouldn’t have been surprised when we got relegated
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Someone keeps nicking their cars and parking them in their parking spots then.
They must be paying some look alikes to sit in their seats as well.
Maybe they should have got involved the football side while they were present and they wouldn’t have been surprised when we got relegated
Who said they were surprised?
But this isn't about being involved on the football side , this is about people who keep insisting our owners never turn up and making them out to be the devil incarnate when these are the people who have made the club into what it is. Yes poor on the pitch for 18 months, but remember they've been putting their money in for 16 years.
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Devil incarnate now’s whose exaggerating.
Quote from Mr Blunt
While we acknowledged last summer that this would be a period of transition on the pitch, this is not the outcome we anticipated.
So maybe I slightly exaggerated when I put surprised.
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Interesting, isn't it? The owners and management get continually lambasted for supposedly not knowing enough about football, and appointing people with limited experience is always seen as awful decisions...yet the words of people on a forum who have absolutely NO experience at all are expected to be treated as pearls of wisdom.
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How do you know what people expect?
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How do you know what people expect?
Well, there is a slight possibility that they posted their opinions just so they can be laughed at. But I doubt it.
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There’s also a slight possibility that there’s only you laughing.
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Devil incarnate now’s whose exaggerating.
Quote from Mr Blunt
While we acknowledged last summer that this would be a period of transition on the pitch, this is not the outcome we anticipated.
So maybe I slightly exaggerated when I put surprised.
They did not plan for relegation Steve. “So not the outcome anticipated” is a reasonable quote isn’t it?
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Wellens could have turned out to be a brilliant manager, many of us thought he would be just what needed. As it turned out he was awful.
The board got it wrong but just the same they might have got it right.
No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be good one.
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Look the board have accepted that mistakes have been made and a re set is needed.
They have taken steps to put the wrongs right and first of all set on a HoF.
There will be many changes going on behind the scenes to change of personnel in various areas of the football operation.
Changes have already started on the coaching staff. Medical side will I am sure be looked at with intensive scrutiny and changes made where needed.
The head of recruitment has gone and a new person may be recruited or it could be a role Copps takes on himself as part of his remit.
The recruitment this summer will be looked at with considerable scrutiny I suspect.
Let them get on with it and for heaven sake let’s put the last 16 months behind us. It’s gone. Finito.
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Devil incarnate now’s whose exaggerating.
Quote from Mr Blunt
While we acknowledged last summer that this would be a period of transition on the pitch, this is not the outcome we anticipated.
So maybe I slightly exaggerated when I put surprised.
They did not plan for relegation Steve. “So not the outcome anticipated” is a reasonable quote isn’t it?
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Wellens could have turned out to be a brilliant manager, many of us thought he would be just what needed. As it turned out he was awful.
The board got it wrong but just the same they might have got it right.
No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be good one.
I never said or even thought they planned for relegation I used the word surprised and was questioned about it. Mr Blunt said not the outcome anticipated so he was surprised we were relegated. Having thought they had put the right things in place last summer and again in November. I have moved on this summer will show if the revised structure will see us moving on. But the most part will be the players we can bring in to make the difference. We conceded far to many and didn’t score enough. We all hope the past 18 months are behind us and we start moving up again.
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Devil incarnate now’s whose exaggerating.
Quote from Mr Blunt
While we acknowledged last summer that this would be a period of transition on the pitch, this is not the outcome we anticipated.
So maybe I slightly exaggerated when I put surprised.
Exaggeration? Have you not read some of the comments that are aimed at these people on twitter?
The problem with all of this is that it continues to sow discord and printing/typing stuff that is factually incorrect helps absolutely no one!
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Interesting, isn't it? The owners and management get continually lambasted for supposedly not knowing enough about football, and appointing people with limited experience is always seen as awful decisions...yet the words of people on a forum who have absolutely NO experience at all are expected to be treated as pearls of wisdom.
I presume you believe this doesn't include yourself?
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Devil incarnate now’s whose exaggerating.
Quote from Mr Blunt
While we acknowledged last summer that this would be a period of transition on the pitch, this is not the outcome we anticipated.
So maybe I slightly exaggerated when I put surprised.
Exaggeration? Have you not read some of the comments that are aimed at these people on twitter?
The problem with all of this is that it continues to sow discord and printing/typing stuff that is factually incorrect helps absolutely no one!
Ok Martin you have your opinion we will leave it.
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Interesting, isn't it? The owners and management get continually lambasted for supposedly not knowing enough about football, and appointing people with limited experience is always seen as awful decisions...yet the words of people on a forum who have absolutely NO experience at all are expected to be treated as pearls of wisdom.
I presume you believe this doesn't include yourself?
As I haven't commented on the decisions the club has made, or put forward any opinions of my own on the matter it can certainly include myself for all I care.
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Interesting, isn't it? The owners and management get continually lambasted for supposedly not knowing enough about football, and appointing people with limited experience is always seen as awful decisions...yet the words of people on a forum who have absolutely NO experience at all are expected to be treated as pearls of wisdom.
I presume you believe this doesn't include yourself?
As I haven't commented on the decisions the club has made, or put forward any opinions of my own on the matter it can certainly include myself for all I care.
You have never been slow in putting forward your opinions forward on this football related forum. So where does your pearls of wisdom experience come from?