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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Chris Black come back on May 02, 2022, 07:11:05 pm
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Gone straight back to play for Watford under 23s. Scored their equaliser last time out against QPR. Also scored their equaliser at top of table Bristol City before that. The match write up said “Cukur curled in a brilliant free-kick late on to share the spoils”.
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One of the worst players I've seen in a Rovers shirt. But clearly he can do it. So his attitude stinks then?
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Or he was just never ready to be the main striker for a league 1 side.
Especially a struggling one.
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Or do we not, and have not, until the last 5 games created chances for our forwards. This has been an issue since DM was here and relied on Taylor Richards.
He was never the answer, and was unprofessionally over weight for the first half of the season.
The forwards we have had in the last two seasons have not all been rank bad, yet we have struggled in that area ( they have not been top level players either) but all would score goals if chances were created.
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Cukur had ability.
Just wasn't fit.
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A big lad in a big Mesters league. Not strong enough nor good enough even at this low level
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For some players the step up from U23s to first team is a big challenge.
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I can't understand why Rovers thought that the lad was ready for L1.
Did we know he was not fit, and how often had we watched him before going for the loan?
With a young lad, confidence can collapse if he is expected to do too much, too soon.
Picking him week in, week out was a disaster getting worse every week, yet we continued.
I hope he builds a good career for himself in future. His loan here did no good for the player or the club.
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For some players the step up from U23s to first team is a big challenge.
Yup maybe all the young loanees are used to being mollycoddled and not used to a decent rollicking when things arent going well Just a thought :) :)
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Someone else mentioned this the other day. Has this been the most unfit squad in our recent professional history? So few players capable of playing 90 minutes at anything like a high tempo.
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Cuk cuk cuk Cukurbility… that’s the beauty of gas
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In no way defending TC but I wouldn’t have imagined the plan was for him to get as many minutes as he did. The original story was that Fej was going to be back shortly plus we had Bogle. We know how they panned out. The only decent game I saw him have was against Man City under 23’s so it could well be he’s not ready
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Didn’t they get Dahlberg and his club said Cukur came as part of the loan?.
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No,
Cukur signed a few weeks before dahlberg
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Never seen such a lump of a player look so pathetic.
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I believe when Cukur first came to DRFC Wellens said he was 12kg overweight. Any aspiring professional footballer allowing themselves to get into such a state during the closed season has a problem with their dedication and commitment.
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I believe when Cukur first came to DRFC Wellens said he was 12kg overweight. Any aspiring professional footballer allowing themselves to get into such a state during the closed season has a problem with their dedication and commitment.
Cukur missed the whole of pre-season. He had to quarantine for a full 10 days in Netherlands from Turkey, then another 10 getting into the UK. After quarantine finished, he tested positive for COVID and had to isolate for a further 10 days. Any human would struggle to maintain their fitness from 30 days in a hotel room.
Easy to slag Cukur off from what we saw, but it was no fault of his own. The games we saw him play was essentially his pre-season. It's criminal that Wellens played him over a fit and ready Bogle.
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I am surprised we are still wasting time writing about him.
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I believe when Cukur first came to DRFC Wellens said he was 12kg overweight. Any aspiring professional footballer allowing themselves to get into such a state during the closed season has a problem with their dedication and commitment.
Cukur missed the whole of pre-season. He had to quarantine for a full 10 days in Netherlands from Turkey, then another 10 getting into the UK. After quarantine finished, he tested positive for COVID and had to isolate for a further 10 days. Any human would struggle to maintain their fitness from 30 days in a hotel room.
Easy to slag Cukur off from what we saw, but it was no fault of his own. The games we saw him play was essentially his pre-season. It's criminal that Wellens played him over a fit and ready Bogle.
That's exactly right, he was a young lad stuck in a hotel room for weeks on end. The footballing gods aligned against him in that respect, coupled with a manager who didn't take his fitness levels seriously meant he was always up against it.
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If you're not fit you surely don't lose the ability to trap a ball or make a simple 5 yard pass though?
I get there were extenuating circumstances, but even then I would expect to see glimpses of a footballer, which we rarely did.
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If you're not fit you surely don't lose the ability to trap a ball or make a simple 5 yard pass though?
I get there were extenuating circumstances, but even then I would expect to see glimpses of a footballer, which we rarely did.
Oh I agree, he should still have been able to do the basics. I just think this particular remark was harsh under the circumstances he was in:
Any aspiring professional footballer allowing themselves to get into such a state during the closed season has a problem with their dedication and commitment.
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I believe when Cukur first came to DRFC Wellens said he was 12kg overweight. Any aspiring professional footballer allowing themselves to get into such a state during the closed season has a problem with their dedication and commitment.
Cukur missed the whole of pre-season. He had to quarantine for a full 10 days in Netherlands from Turkey, then another 10 getting into the UK. After quarantine finished, he tested positive for COVID and had to isolate for a further 10 days. Any human would struggle to maintain their fitness from 30 days in a hotel room.
Easy to slag Cukur off from what we saw, but it was no fault of his own. The games we saw him play was essentially his pre-season. It's criminal that Wellens played him over a fit and ready Bogle.
12kg in a month? give over. If at his age he has a metabolism like that he's going to struggle with weight all his life.
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Cukur had ability.
Just wasn't fit.
Or his lack of interest/effort for us was disguised as not being fit.
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None of us know if he had after affects of covid. Allied to him also being overweight it made it hard to perform.
We forget as fans sometimes, they are human beings.
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Didn't Wellens claim he turned up 2 stone overweight?
Which raises three questions
1) How does a professional footballer get 2 stone over weight?
2) Did we not know about this when we signed him?
3) Or was Wellens talking b*llocks?
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He scored a winning goal on the 2nd of October
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It was going in though without his touch lol
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I would think that John Parkin was a couple of stone overweight when he was still playing.
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I would think that John Parkin was a couple of stone overweight when he was still playing.
I'd say a couples being generous! Great lump used to see off a Full English on a match day.
Good feet for a big man though.
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Akinfenwa carries about a bit of luggage, but he is capable of doing his bit.
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I would think that John Parkin was a couple of stone overweight when he was still playing.
I'd say a couples being generous! Great lump used to see off a Full English on a match day.
Good feet for a big man though.
Parkin was able to perform at that weight. I took Wellens's comment to mean that Cukur wasn't at a weight that we could expect decent performances from him. Certainly to me there were matches where I wondered if I could out sprint him myself.
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King Alick was no Mo Farah and he was invariably the best player on the pitch!
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Remember when King Alick made his comeback he had a right belly on him, but by god it didn't stop him scoring.
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I remember John Doolan when he played in that friendly game at the Keepmoat a couple of years back. He was hanging out of his kit like a burst settee but he was head and shoulder above everyone else on the pitch.
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Overweight players can be fantastic players, think that’s pretty obvious. However a player who’s already not good enough/not experienced enough (or both) is hardly going to help matters by being completely out of shape.
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I think it's pretty obvious that an overweight player who is the best player on the pitch is the best player despite being overweight, not because of it.
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Point being in the modern game you have to be quite exceptional to carry excess weight and excel. Or even look competent. Because today's football makes physical demands that previous generations could not imagine.
Cukur have every indication that he would have struggled even if he had had less fat than a Butcher's dog. We signed a player that both wasn't very good AND was out of shape.
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I’ve not kicked a ball in anger for years but I can still trap and control a ball
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Point being in the modern game you have to be quite exceptional to carry excess weight and excel. Or even look competent. Because today's football makes physical demands that previous generations could not imagine.
Cukur have every indication that he would have struggled even if he had had less fat than a Butcher's dog. We signed a player that both wasn't very good AND was out of shape.
And couldn't be arsed. He clearly didn't want to be here.
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I disagree.
When he was a sub he would stand by the tunnel and shake hands try and gee up the lads that were in the starting XI. He looked commuted in that aspect. Just not ready for L1 football.
Point being in the modern game you have to be quite exceptional to carry excess weight and excel. Or even look competent. Because today's football makes physical demands that previous generations could not imagine.
Cukur have every indication that he would have struggled even if he had had less fat than a Butcher's dog. We signed a player that both wasn't very good AND was out of shape.
And couldn't be arsed. He clearly didn't want to be here.
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He was absolutely hopeless for us. But I wonder if it was difficult for him settling in to the place he ended up?
He’s a young lad who is Dutch from a Turkish background (I think, is that right?). He’s moved to another country to further his career. Good on him. Very few British players do this at any age. He’s gone to Watford, so he’s basically in London, maybe he lives in NW London. Then he’s ended up in Donny! That’s quite a culture shock if you’re from Amsterdam or Utrecht or wherever.
There must be a good reason why he was so shockingly poor. He made me pine for the days of Carl Alford or Peter Heritage or any number of shite strikers we’ve had.
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He got sent out on loan for the season to F.C.V. Dender E.H. in the Belgium Challenger Pro League (second tier). They are towards the bottom of the table but he is getting a fair amount of game time. Still only 2 goals this season though and hasn't scored since October.
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He just needs one to come off his backside & then he’ll be flying!