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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Bentley Bullet on May 11, 2022, 04:21:52 pm
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https://the72.co.uk/272861/sources-birmingham-city-and-preston-join-race-to-sign-alfie-may/
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I wonder if we have a sell on clause ?
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It was as plain as the nose on your face that Alfie had potential yet I was shouted down. The Marquis loving crew have seen their hero go the opposite way.
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'Marquis loving crew? ' that sounds like appreciating the most successful striker we've had in years at goal every other game who played most every game is a bad thing
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A lot of football people in the division rated Marquis the best in the division at the time GR, that is why one of the biggest clubs in the division paid the money they did for Marquis at the time and Alfie went to a division 2 side for a nominal or nothing fee and our manager at the time was happy for him to go.
He has done well at Cheltenham and well done to the lad, but if he moves the team will have to suit his stile and he is still a big risk to pay any substantial fee for.
I hope if he moves he does well again at another club, but they will have to play to his strengths to do so like Cheltenham have, if he stays there it is questionable whether he would do as well again and I can see Cheltenham wanting to cash in while the going is good.
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It was as plain as the nose on your face that Alfie had potential yet I was shouted down. The Marquis loving crew have seen their hero go the opposite way.
One scored loads of goals for rovers, one didn't. Leaving rovers was right for Alfie and right for us. No guarantee he'd have worked out here longer term just as Marquis (apparently) didn't elsewhere.
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If only he’d got rid of that ponytail earlier.
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I always rated Alfie - he gave his all in every game he played. I dont think he was given enough opportunity when he was with us and has shown at Cheltenham what he can do if given a run in the team. Good luck to the lad.
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I always rated Alfie - he gave his all in every game he played. I dont think he was given enough opportunity when he was with us and has shown at Cheltenham what he can do if given a run in the team. Good luck to the lad.
My opinion too Chris.
I wonder whether PNE asked Ben Whiteman for an opinion on Alfie.
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I always rated Alfie - he gave his all in every game he played. I dont think he was given enough opportunity when he was with us and has shown at Cheltenham what he can do if given a run in the team. Good luck to the lad.
I thought he was given plenty of chances for us personally. He just didn't score enough. Ran around. Showed some promise. But wasn't the player he is now. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but let's not rewrite history.
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It was as plain as the nose on your face that Alfie had potential yet I was shouted down. The Marquis loving crew have seen their hero go the opposite way.
One scored loads of goals for rovers, one didn't. Leaving rovers was right for Alfie and right for us. No guarantee he'd have worked out here longer term just as Marquis (apparently) didn't elsewhere.
This was supposed to be a light-hearted thread, but....
You cannot compare a player who was immune from being dropped or even subbed to another who was lucky to get on the pitch let alone stay on it.
But, hey-ho, we're all Donny, Ain't we!
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“The Marquis loving crew”…. otherwise known as supporters.
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I always rated Alfie too. Delighted for him - has proved what he can do given a run.
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We persistrd on playing Alfie wide when he was potentially a fox in the box.
And he was a lovely polite lad when I met him in a bar and had a chat with him after the Grimsby game
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We persistrd on playing Alfie wide when he was potentially a fox in the box.
And he was a lovely polite lad when I met him in a bar and had a chat with him after the Grimsby game
Absolutely
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He’s got sh1t hair but we don’t care, Alfie, Alfie May
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Fergie identified him and may well have done a better job developing him. I think Alfie saw Marquis as his role model - and he wasn’t, so all credit to Cheltenham for shaping him into a finished product now comparable to Marquis, but in his own style. Who knows, he may well succeed at the level above Marquis.
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I wonder if we have a sell on clause ?
No he had a gift card apparently!!
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I sound like a broken record but I couldn't be happier for him that he's done well. Just a really lovely kid. Deserves this through all his hard work.
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Fergie had a lot of good players back then, but he got it wrong with Alfie. Football is all about opinions, his opinion at the time was to let him go. We don’t know if he would have developed as well at our club.
I think he would have, just needed time.
It’s cost the club a lot of money. That’s why having the right manager is the first priority. The decision’s they make, can make or break the club.
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It wasn’t Fergie who let him go
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Daniel. Are you suggesting his current coaching staff have improved him from when he left us
I always rated him. He just needed a run of games and we would have seen more goals
Good luck to the lad I hope he makes a real success of it
I’ve never understood the Alfie knockers on here he always gave 100% which is something that can’t be said about this current squad if half of what’s written on here is true
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It wasn't an issue of May vs Marquis though, we got rid of May who was an asset with a very good chance of increasing in value, and Moore brought in temporary loans to cover with no chance of increasing in quality or value (to our benefit). A bit like renting if you can afford to buy a house. See John-Jules and Simoes, I'd have happily played May of 2 seasons ago over that type of player, knowing he was ours and would give 100% every chance he got, and was likely to improve to our future benefit. We'd have also avoided the need for the annual rebuild and lack of 'identity' which is caused in part by having loads of loan players who aren't committed to Donny.
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Alfie is big mates with Bradley Dack who plays at Blackburn
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The only question we should be bothered about is have we got a sell on clause in the contract he signed when he left, and if we have hope that somebody pays a lot of money for him.
What he and the club he might go to do after that is completely up to them, and not a lot to do with us apart from the few who are interested. It's a hard game and now the interest should be what is in it for us if there is anything at all, and if any other clubs are actually interested.
And that goes for Whiteman as well as he could well interest other clubs after the good season he has had, and could go for decent money.
As for Marquis the last I saw the Charlton fans are doing cartwheels at signing such a good player for free from Lincoln who look like they have begun a fire fighting exorcise.
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Football a funny old game
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing, he had chance after chance to prove himself at Rovers and didn't.
Marquis delivered for Rovers, no comparison.
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Strikers need to be given a decent run in the side without fear of being dropped. Marquis was given that guarantee at Rovers and flourished. At all his other clubs Marquis wasn't given that guarantee and was mediocre.
Alfie May was lucky to get on the pitch with us, let alone stay on it!
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really
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfie_May
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Looking at the career stats in league games it looks like we were one of the teams to miss out in his hit one miss one career, and his next club if he is on the move will be taking a risk he can change that.
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He's still got a few good seasons in him yet barring injury, and good luck to him he's not short of enthusiasm.
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I wonder if we have a sell on clause ?
The irony of irony’s is we couldn’t afford him !!!
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really
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfie_May
You do realise that those stats include sub appearances don’t you.
Some of which might have been a few minutes.
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I do Hound and I can remember the chances he missed in a number of those games as well, and quite a few from very close range.
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I do Hound and I can remember the chances he missed in a number of those games as well, and quite a few from very close range.
I can remember the miss of the decade at Scunthorpe Brian and it wasn't Alfie.
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I do Hound and I can remember the chances he missed in a number of those games as well, and quite a few from very close range.
Yep, I'm surprised Marquis didn't take May under his wing and show him how not to miss from close range!
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Alfie really did seem to care and put a shift in, but in my opinion had plenty of chances and never looked like being a regular goal threat. I completely got why we released him and I actually wondered if he could really do it in League 2.
Delighted for him that it’s worked out, and good luck to him, but I wouldn’t want him back. The reality is that sometimes it just works at a different club, and I’m not convinced he’ll continue the positive momentum if he moves.
We need to bring in new players, not focus on the past.
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As an aside, and slightly tongue in cheek, am I the only one who thought that Alfie was the fastest looking slow player ever? His legs were a blur of movement, but his pace wasn’t actually that quick. :lol:
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92 games including sub appearances is surely enough to say you were given a chance at a club.
The fact is Alfie just wasn’t good enough with either assists or goals scored other than the 4 he got v Chorley who were 6th tier when we played them.
He was a 100% effort player but at Rovers his actual end product was not good.
He has gone on to show that he can score goals at League 1 level with Cheltenham, so very well done to him. Shows what hard work can achieve.
Sometimes a different club can bring out the best in a player.
That is exactly what happened with Marquis. He did very little until he pulled on the Rovers red and white hooped shirt. Done not much really since he left.
That’s football
It’s no good keep harping on about Alfie May. Letting him go was the right thing at the time.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing isnt it. If we had kept him there is no guarantee he would have done what he has at Cheltenham. Far from it.
Get over him folks. Look forwards not back.
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CR,
The point is not about how good Alfie May was when he was with us, it is about his potential that was obvious to those of us with an eye for a good prospect. All the clues were there to be seen not least with his energy, enthusiasm, natural positioning and control.
It's acceptable, if not expected that some supporters will have failed to see his potential, but for the team manager and coaches to miss it is neither acceptable nor expected.
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Players can also have a season and everything goes right, then after that nothing.
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CR,
The point is not about how good Alfie May was when he was with us, it is about his potential that was obvious to those of us with an eye for a good prospect. All the clues were there to be seen not least with his energy, enthusiasm, natural positioning and control.
It's acceptable, if not expected that some supporters will have failed to see his potential, but for the team manager and coaches to miss it is neither acceptable nor expected.
BB he was not a youngster. He was 26 when he left us.
How long should Rovers have given him to fulfil his potential? The fact is he was given time and he only showed very rare flashes that he might make the grade at League 1 level.
The fact is he produced very few assists and very few goals. He had 92 games, quite a number as sub of course to produce.
If he was 20/21 then you could make a case for giving him another season or maybe 2 but at the age he was it wasn’t justified.
Yes he has come good at his new club and produced a hat full of goals but let’s be honest even you BB could not possibly say with any honesty that you knew he would do what he did this season.
If he had stayed at Rovers he might not have fulfilled his potential. Football is a strange game. Players sometimes develop at a different club.
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His full potential was oven ready. He just needed a good run in the side, like Marquis got and benefited from. He also needed the chance to play without the pressure of knowing he would be replaced if he missed a sitter, again as Marquis benefited from.
Had he been given a decent run instead of being the first choice scapegoat when things were going wrong there was no reason he wouldn't have developed at Rovers as he has at Cheltenham.
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His full potential was oven ready. He just needed a good run in the side, like Marquis got and benefited from. He also needed the chance to play without the pressure of knowing he would be replaced if he missed a sitter, again as Marquis benefited from.
Had he been given a decent run instead of being the first choice scapegoat when things were going wrong there was no reason he wouldn't have developed at Rovers as he has at Cheltenham.
First choice scapegoat, sorry I don’t know where that comes from.
95% of Rovers supporters loved him, due to his enthusiasm and work rate.
Fergie and McCann started him in plenty of games. Yes DM used him mostly as a sub. But to say he was made a scapegoat by the managers is not factual.
BB I do think you are letting your admiration of Alfie blinding you from the facts.
I loved Alfie May how could you not and I wish it had turned out to be a success story for him at Rovers.
Any way football is all about opinions. We all have different ones and that helps to make the game so fascinating.
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Campsall, let's keep this simple. How many full games did May play out of the 92 appearances for Rovers?
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Campsall, let's keep this simple. How many full games did May play out of the 92 appearances for Rovers?
I don’t know, do you?
But he had enough opportunities imo, and for all his hard work there was rarely an end product.
Let’s leave it at that BB
As you know most things I agree with you. On this one we have differing opinions. :)
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Yes mate, I do know.
League games:
Season 2016/17: Played 16 Full games 0
Season 2017/18: Played 27 Full games 6
Season 2018/19: Played 36 Full games 2
Season 2019/20: Played 15 Full games 2
Total games Played 94 Full games 10
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He made 76 league appearances and seven goals(league one).seven EFL appearances 6 goals.
16 appearances 3 goals(league two)FA CUP 10 appearances 4 goals. Another season in EFL 5 appearances 3 goals.
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And your point is?
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3 YEARS - 10 FULL LEAGUE GAMES!
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And your point is?
My point?.
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really
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfie_May
You do realise that those stats include sub appearances don’t you.
Some of which might have been a few minutes.
yes
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I think considering he barely started a game his figures were decent, but he isn’t our player. Just have to wipe our mouths and move onto the next one.
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And your point is?
My point?.
Apologies SCWK. I misunderstood your post. Thought you were disagreeing with my stats. It was getting a bit late!
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really
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfie_May
You do realise that those stats include sub appearances don’t you.
Some of which might have been a few minutes.
yes
So why did you try to discredit BBs point that Alfie didn’t get enough game time with a link to wiki which showed 92 “appearances”, of which only 10% of which were full games.
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really
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfie_May
You do realise that those stats include sub appearances don’t you.
Some of which might have been a few minutes.
yes
So why did you try to discredit BBs point that Alfie didn’t get enough game time with a link to wiki which showed 92 “appearances”, of which only 10% of which were full games.
I didn't, but you being a w**ker doesn't help aye hound
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really
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfie_May
You do realise that those stats include sub appearances don’t you.
Some of which might have been a few minutes.
yes
So why did you try to discredit BBs point that Alfie didn’t get enough game time with a link to wiki which showed 92 “appearances”, of which only 10% of which were full games.
I didn't, but you being a w**ker doesn't help aye hound
As always, resort to insults when outed as being in the wrong.
Standard Syd procedure.
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It's because you are being a silly billy hound, the forum shitster. I assumed that bb could speak for himself, you appear to know better.
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3 YEARS - 10 FULL LEAGUE GAMES!
BB are those 10 full games also the only starts he made in games? I doubt that very much.
How many starts he made as that is a fairer reflection imo.
How many matches did he start a game. Do you know BB?
If he got subbed then maybe that was because he was ineffective or a tactical substitution.
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Bostock for example didn’t play many full games. Started a good number but got subbed in high percentage.
There are many players that don’t play a full game BB
You can only go by starting games as a fair reflection of appearances.
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I understand why there’s some debate about May, for me there was enough potential and effort to deserve a place in our squad but can understand why others expected more immediate impact. The issue for me is that Moore let him go and we ended up with young untried mostly-disinterested loans with no short or long-term benefit over keeping Alfie.
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3 YEARS - 10 FULL LEAGUE GAMES!
BB are those 10 full games also the only starts he made in games? I doubt that very much.
How many starts he made as that is a fairer reflection imo.
How many matches did he start a game. Do you know BB?
If he got subbed then maybe that was because he was ineffective or a tactical substitution.
He was given 29 starts. In 19 of them, he was replaced. He was never replaced because of performance issues. He never had a bad game for us. There was never any obvious reason for him being replaced, although it was obvious he was likely to be one who would be replaced .....And he was in two-thirds of the games he started for us!
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The difference is Cheltenham play him as a striker, we stuck out wide.
I'm with BB on this one
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But three different managers who played at a professional level couldn't maximise his potential. They saw him in training regularly as well as in games and didn't feel he was an automatic choice. There is no chance he would have scored a lot of goals for us last season with our side and set up. Good luck to him and I hope that he has another good season coming up but it will be interesting to see if he can maintain his form.
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It’s great to see Alfie linked with these sides and I hope his career continues to go from strength to strength. But he’s had an average season and a half in League Two followed by an exceptional season in League One. This season has ended with a crazy purple patch of 17 in 18, but before that he’d scored only 6 in 28. It might be that this form continues (and I genuinely hope that it does), but equally it might just be a run of form where the stars aligned for him and his record will revert to the modest returns he’s had in his career to date. He clearly has some big fans on this forum but I think some of the deification is completely over the top.
As for him never having a bad game for us and being unfairly substituted every time, really? He certainly had plenty of ineffective games. Whether that was down to him not getting a run of games or playing out of position is open to debate, and probably has some truth to it, but I don’t recall howls of derision in the stands any time he was substituted off after another 70 minutes of hard work but little effective contribution.
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When you start a game and there is a 2 in 3 chance you are going to be replaced it tends to affect your performance somewhat, especially if you're a striker. It causes performance anxiety and tends to make the player try too hard, often meaning they make wrong decisions. When that type of player is alongside a team-mate who was only replaced 5 times in 136 games the pressure must be even worse.
Despite that, I think May did excellent for us when he was on the pitch, and it just goes to show how good he actually could have been for us had he not been made a scapegoat 66% of the time.
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It's because you are being a silly billy hound, the forum shitster. I assumed that bb could speak for himself, you appear to know better.
Of course BB can speak from r himself Syd but this is a forum and other people can join in conversations if they choose to.
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It's because you are being a silly billy hound, the forum shitster. I assumed that bb could speak for himself, you appear to know better.
Of course BB can speak from r himself Syd but this is a forum and other people can join in conversations if they choose to.
And that is exactly what I'm doing, no?
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It's because you are being a silly billy hound, the forum shitster. I assumed that bb could speak for himself, you appear to know better.
Of course BB can speak from r himself Syd but this is a forum and other people can join in conversations if they choose to.
And that is exactly what I'm doing, no?
Yes of course but you were trying to discredit BBS point about Alfie May getting game time by showing that wiki said he had 92 appearances.
I asked you if you understood that those included sub appearances and then you called me a w**ker and a shyster.
It was a typical intervention by you and I called you out for being abusive.
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Syd, when it comes to Knowledge of football and the ability to play the game, believe me you are Hounds bunny.
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but selby you are everyone's little bunny
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It's because you are being a silly billy hound, the forum shitster. I assumed that bb could speak for himself, you appear to know better.
Of course BB can speak from r himself Syd but this is a forum and other people can join in conversations if they choose to.
And that is exactly what I'm doing, no?
Yes of course but you were trying to discredit BBS point about Alfie May getting game time by showing that wiki said he had 92 appearances.
I asked you if you understood that those included sub appearances and then you called me a w**ker and a shyster.
It was a typical intervention by you and I called you out for being abusive.
I'm forgetting myself hound apologies you are always correct 24996
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It's because you are being a silly billy hound, the forum shitster. I assumed that bb could speak for himself, you appear to know better.
Of course BB can speak from r himself Syd but this is a forum and other people can join in conversations if they choose to.
And that is exactly what I'm doing, no?
Yes of course but you were trying to discredit BBS point about Alfie May getting game time by showing that wiki said he had 92 appearances.
I asked you if you understood that those included sub appearances and then you called me a w**ker and a shyster.
It was a typical intervention by you and I called you out for being abusive.
I'm forgetting myself hound apologies you are always correct 24996
Classic cop out.
Your uncalled for abuse is there for all to see.
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Guys, guys! Not unlike the Fawlty Towers staff who used to excuse Manuel for his silliness with the "he's from Barcelona" comment, Let's just give our (not so) resident pain in the arse the same benefit and just say "he's from Sydney," every time he "contributes" to threads.
The thing is, I just knew he'd comment negatively on my post. He always does.
Adelaide money on it!
Thanks for your support Hound, by the way.
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Nah. Syd I am a fisherman who keeps catching tiddlers, don't even have to carry any bait to the bank, just chuck the hook in, sticklebacks a speciality.
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Nah. Syd I am a fisherman who keeps catching tiddlers, don't even have to carry any bait to the bank, just chuck the hook in, sticklebacks a speciality.
remind me again how the logic works, you cut your own grass therefore you must be right?
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It's because you are being a silly billy hound, the forum shitster. I assumed that bb could speak for himself, you appear to know better.
Of course BB can speak from r himself Syd but this is a forum and other people can join in conversations if they choose to.
And that is exactly what I'm doing, no?
Yes of course but you were trying to discredit BBS point about Alfie May getting game time by showing that wiki said he had 92 appearances.
I asked you if you understood that those included sub appearances and then you called me a w**ker and a shyster.
It was a typical intervention by you and I called you out for being abusive.
I'm forgetting myself hound apologies you are always correct 24996
Classic cop out.
Your uncalled for abuse is there for all to see.
I'm just glad that you two have patched things up and he's looking after you, it's the love bro'
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It's because you are being a silly billy hound, the forum shitster. I assumed that bb could speak for himself, you appear to know better.
Of course BB can speak from r himself Syd but this is a forum and other people can join in conversations if they choose to.
And that is exactly what I'm doing, no?
Yes of course but you were trying to discredit BBS point about Alfie May getting game time by showing that wiki said he had 92 appearances.
I asked you if you understood that those included sub appearances and then you called me a w**ker and a shyster.
It was a typical intervention by you and I called you out for being abusive.
I'm forgetting myself hound apologies you are always correct 24996
Classic cop out.
Your uncalled for abuse is there for all to see.
#at the last word is yours. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm just glad that you two have patched things up and he's looking after you, it's the love bro'
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