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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: steve@dcfd on May 16, 2022, 11:42:39 am
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This is the view of Ali Maxwell Sky TV, Quest and Pod cast pundit
He doesn’t believe we have the core of the squad to be successful in League 2 like GMC believes.
Will GMC and Copps prove him wrong we hope so.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/they-could-be-eaten-alive-efl-pundit-delivers-worrying-verdict-on-doncaster-rovers-following-relegation-to-league-two-3694614
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I can remember at the beginning of the season some very highly paid and famous so called experts expected Manchester United to challenge for the premiership title especially when they signed Ronaldo, Arsenal to drop well out of the race for a top four finish and finish as low as tenth and take years to become a force again, Leeds to once more become a force in the land together with Everton.
Cheltenham and Morecombe to become whipping boys in division 1, Portsmouth Sunderland and Ipswich to go up, and a whole host of predictions from so called experts who know no more than the average punter in the street.
Come back in twelve months you might he might be right, but don't bet on it, the bookies make a great living out of a load of experts.
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He’s given his opinion but said it could be different we will see and should know by Christmas which way we are heading. I want us to be successful but like him I have my doubts with a lot of contracted players.
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Does anybody remember who predicted us to be relegated last year? I seem to recall hearing it or reading it. It wasnt a local journo.
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It’s to be hoped he’s wrong, then, Selby. But just saying it doesn’t make it happen and that’s where the proof of the pudding will be. Trouble is, if we get it wrong (again) next season then we have a trap door waiting that would be a disaster!
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This is the view of Ali Maxwell Sky TV, Quest and Pod cast pundit
He doesn’t believe we have the core of the squad to be successful in League 2 like GMC believes.
Will GMC and Copps prove him wrong we hope so.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/they-could-be-eaten-alive-efl-pundit-delivers-worrying-verdict-on-doncaster-rovers-following-relegation-to-league-two-3694614
The warnings about the clubs over all approach to each season and it’s ultimate long term commitment are here to see. Results don’t lie and three managers all without a track record to see them draw from says the same . I’m no Baldwin fan but even I have admit that he has had his hand tied . The owners look reluctant to invest for the long term and it’s their dismissive, carefree and relaxed approach to ALL OUR concerns has finally reaped its predictable outcome .L2 could see us struggle without INVESTMENT!!!
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It’s to be hoped he’s wrong, then, Selby. But just saying it doesn’t make it happen and that’s where the proof of the pudding will be. Trouble is, if we get it wrong (again) next season then we have a trap door waiting that would be a disaster!
If we finish anywhere near the bottom 8 in league 2 next year then there is something going badly wrong somewhere because if we get 4 decent signings to add to what we have already any thing less than top 7 is going to be a massive under achievement imo. We need need a goalscorer signed though or top 7 is just a fantasy.
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This is the view of Ali Maxwell Sky TV, Quest and Pod cast pundit
He doesn’t believe we have the core of the squad to be successful in League 2 like GMC believes.
Will GMC and Copps prove him wrong we hope so.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/they-could-be-eaten-alive-efl-pundit-delivers-worrying-verdict-on-doncaster-rovers-following-relegation-to-league-two-3694614
Didn't he tip us to do well last year?
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Does anybody remember who predicted us to be relegated last year? I seem to recall hearing it or reading it. It wasnt a local journo.
I remember saying at the end of season 2020/21 that I was concerned that we could be in a relegation dogfight in 2021/22 because I thought the decline under AB could carry through.
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This is the view of Ali Maxwell Sky TV, Quest and Pod cast pundit
He doesn’t believe we have the core of the squad to be successful in League 2 like GMC believes.
Will GMC and Copps prove him wrong we hope so.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/they-could-be-eaten-alive-efl-pundit-delivers-worrying-verdict-on-doncaster-rovers-following-relegation-to-league-two-3694614
Didn't he tip us to do well last year?
Yes he did as I said it’s all about opinions at the time. But looking at our present squad the 80+ goals conceded and the lack of goals are you not concerned. If we bring in the right players then we might turn things round. The summer transfer and loans will be big not number must be in quality.
I go back to a manager who believes if we carry our last 6/7 games performances into league 2 will will do ok. Last 10 games won 2 and took 8pts He believes that is good.
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I wonder how perceptive people like Mr Maxwell really are. I have never heard of him and his playing career was as a goalkeeper in Scottish Football. Does he have any direct access to Rovers or is he just someone who covers L1 and L2 matches for TV? I think I’d put more store by the opinion of the average Viking Chat contributor.
His views sound rather second-hand to me. And if you come out a strongly as he has with this sort of forecast, no credible “pundit” would finish by saying that he might be completely wrong! In any case how can you know what is likely before we have assembled our 2022/23 squad?
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I wonder how perceptive people like Mr Maxwell really are. I have never heard of him and his playing career was as a goalkeeper in Scottish Football. Does he have any direct access to Rovers or is he just someone who covers L1 and L2 matches for TV? I think I’d put more store by the opinion of the average Viking Chat contributor.
His views sound rather second-hand to me. And if you come out a strongly as he has with this sort of forecast, no credible “pundit” would finish by saying that he might be completely wrong! In any case how can you know what is likely before we have assembled our 2022/23 squad?
Not the same bloke. The Ali Maxwell in question wasn't a footballer.
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Bristol Rovers we’re in a worse mess than us 12 months ago.
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Not sure how anyone can come out with comments like that at this time of year - as mentioned earlier we have no idea what the squad will look like
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This is the view of Ali Maxwell Sky TV, Quest and Pod cast pundit
He doesn’t believe we have the core of the squad to be successful in League 2 like GMC believes.
Will GMC and Copps prove him wrong we hope so.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/they-could-be-eaten-alive-efl-pundit-delivers-worrying-verdict-on-doncaster-rovers-following-relegation-to-league-two-3694614
Didn't he tip us to do well last year?
Yes he did as I said it’s all about opinions at the time. But looking at our present squad the 80+ goals conceded and the lack of goals are you not concerned. If we bring in the right players then we might turn things round. The summer transfer and loans will be big not number must be in quality.
I go back to a manager who believes if we carry our last 6/7 games performances into league 2 will will do ok. Last 10 games won 2 and took 8pts He believes that is good.
Its the 16th of May, this season hasn't even finshed yet - so no.
I will let Mr Maxwell's record of prediction accuracy stand for itself but I'm glad I don't pay him.
Steve, go out for a bike ride, do some gardening, buy a book or something. Then come back to what the squad looks like in July when the friendlies start, its pointless looking at it now.
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I’ll be doing more than that but I’ll leave it alone now let’s see what happens.
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Majority of national pundits on Sky / BBC etc take zero interest in any club who previously weren't in the Premier League or don't exist South of the Watford gap.
Any predictions these pundits make are simply finger in the air stuff.
I remember on the old BBC Football League show, everytime Donny did well Manish Bhasin would say, "That's a great result for Doncaster Rovers." Totally ignoring any of our recent successes and showing a complete lack of knowledge or interest in our most recent footballing history.
Granted he'd be on the money if he made the same remark nowadays :lol:
I can't watch Quest show either as all they seemingly do is wax lyrical about the London clubs and then talk about Sunderland, Wigan, Bolton, Ipswich et al - who they've obviously already heard of due to their previous Premier League exploits.
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Majority of national pundits on Sky / BBC etc take zero interest in any club who previously weren't in the Premier League or don't exist South of the Watford gap.
Any predictions these pundits make are simply finger in the air stuff.
I remember on the old BBC Football League show, everytime Donny did well Manish Bhasin would say, "That's a great result for Doncaster Rovers." Totally ignoring any of our recent successes and showing a complete lack of knowledge or interest in our most recent footballing history.
Granted he'd be on the money if he made the same remark nowadays :lol:
I can't watch Quest show either as all they seemingly do is wax lyrical about the London clubs and then talk about Sunderland, Wigan, Bolton, Ipswich et al - who they've obviously already heard of due to their previous Premier League exploits.
It’s football pundit program who’s bias is for successful teams , sadly we didn’t fit that bill !!!
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You can’t judge properly until you see who teams bring in. Then it still isn’t easy. We all know we need additions.
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Not sure how anyone can come out with comments like that at this time of year - as mentioned earlier we have no idea what the squad will look like
Because we are on a downwards spiral and only investment and good management from the top can stop this.
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This is the view of Ali Maxwell Sky TV, Quest and Pod cast pundit
He doesn’t believe we have the core of the squad to be successful in League 2 like GMC believes.
Will GMC and Copps prove him wrong we hope so.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/they-could-be-eaten-alive-efl-pundit-delivers-worrying-verdict-on-doncaster-rovers-following-relegation-to-league-two-3694614
Didn't he tip us to do well last year?
Yes he did as I said it’s all about opinions at the time. But looking at our present squad the 80+ goals conceded and the lack of goals are you not concerned. If we bring in the right players then we might turn things round. The summer transfer and loans will be big not number must be in quality.
I go back to a manager who believes if we carry our last 6/7 games performances into league 2 will will do ok. Last 10 games won 2 and took 8pts He believes that is good.
He said performances Steve, not results.
Most of the performances in th last 6 weeks of the season were a big improvement.
Fleetwood away was appalling though.
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Club seems to be floundering from top to bottom - hence the chaps comments to me are valid! Really could struggle without significant investment……and that comes from the top.
In an ideal world we shouldn’t have to rely on benefactors……but we are not in that situation.
So my question is - how much have the current directors invested during the last say 18 months? And, more pertinently, are they prepared to invest for the next season - I FEAR NOT.
Gone are the days of £2million / year backers.
I would like to read a clear statement of intent from Mr Bramall or Mr Blunt.
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Club seems to be floundering from top to bottom - hence the chaps comments to me are valid! Really could struggle without significant investment……and that comes from the top.
In an ideal world we shouldn’t have to rely on benefactors……but we are not in that situation.
So my question is - how much have the current directors invested during the last say 18 months? And, more pertinently, are they prepared to invest for the next season - I FEAR NOT.
Gone are the days of £2million / year backers.
I would like to read a clear statement of intent from Mr Bramall or Mr Blunt.
Just out of interest, what do you expect to read that you won’t then dismiss, or pick apart and criticise? Are you expecting specific figures to be quoted? I ask as I can’t think of any other clubs that do that, so it would be setting quite the precedent. Mr Blunt has already made a clear statement acknowledging that we intend to bounce straight back. You might say actions will speak louder than words on this (and I’d agree) but that doesn’t appear to be what you’re asking for. So what is it that you’d like to hear that would make you happy? Indeed would anything make you happy?
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Blunt may have said “we intend to bounce back” he’s hardly likely to say anything else is he.
Personally - and it is probably a widely held view - is that without substantial additional funding the club will continue to slide down the league - as it is not possible to even stay mid table without money.
The investment (if any) over the last 18 months hasnt been enough …..if this trend continues then - logically - we will continue to slide.
Call it what you like, but the lack of ambition, lack of additional funding is worrying .
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We’ve got a more than healthy enough budget to survive comfortably in League One. The issue has been the appalling way it has been utilised in recent years. Getting promoted from League One is a very different issue but on budget basis alone we should not have endured the total humiliation of the past 18 months.
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Blunt may have said “we intend to bounce back” he’s hardly likely to say anything else is he.
Personally - and it is probably a widely held view - is that without substantial additional funding the club will continue to slide down the league - as it is not possible to even stay mid table without money.
The investment (if any) over the last 18 months hasnt been enough …..if this trend continues then - logically - we will continue to slide.
Call it what you like, but the lack of ambition, lack of additional funding is worrying .
And Baldwin said we would invest significantly during the January transfer window. !!
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Remind me how many additions to the squad we made?
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Remind me how many additions to the squad we made?
……1…….
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Really?
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Blunt may have said “we intend to bounce back” he’s hardly likely to say anything else is he.
Personally - and it is probably a widely held view - is that without substantial additional funding the club will continue to slide down the league - as it is not possible to even stay mid table without money.
The investment (if any) over the last 18 months hasnt been enough …..if this trend continues then - logically - we will continue to slide.
Call it what you like, but the lack of ambition, lack of additional funding is worrying .
Still not entirely clear on what you said you wanted to read from the club. It feels like whatever you read you’d pick apart and belittle. So perhaps you were just making the wrong point. You’re just not happy - kind of used to that over the years. At least with the season that’s just gone there’s more of an understandable reason for it. But it’s a permanent stance nonetheless.
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Remind me how many additions to the squad we made?
Do you really need me to answer that.
How many were fit and ready for the first team.
How many brought real quality?
Club Doncsater might be a success (as we are told) off the pitch, but on it ??
Rovers, Belles and the Dons ?
Only one club in Doncaster any good and that's Union. One owner who is passionate and in or for the love of the club.
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Answering it might be a start
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Answering it might be a start
OK 8 I think, but could be wrong
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Answering it might be a start
Would you answer any of mine ?
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It’s very sad to say but I think he may be correct. The clubs downward trajectory, both on and off the pitch is there to see. The owners’ and leaders general inertia to club has got me thinking we will be next seasons Scunny. I am so convinced I’m going to have a look at the odds to ease the pain.
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Answering it might be a start
OK 8 I think, but could be wrong
But we didn't invest in the January Window!!?
1 Fit or not they were invested in
2 A matter of opinion
3 Club Doncaster provides the finance nothing to do with what happens on the pitch
4 what is the question?
5 Good luck to the Knights but I don't support them
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Answering it might be a start
OK 8 I think, but could be wrong
But we didn't invest in the January Window!!?
1 Fit or not they were invested in
2 A matter of opinion
3 Club Doncaster provides the finance nothing to do with what happens on the pitch
4 what is the question?
5 Good luck to the Knights but I don't support them
1. I said significantly
2. How many when we were desperate for players (of the 8)
3. Both are linked
4. Which one is performing on the pitch and be classed a a success
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Additions were made in January of the cheapest variety. With only one person putting money in then of course what we can afford will decrease.
The problem is how many potential investors would want to invest with another guy already in situ?.
The ‘Three amigos’ was a situation we will probably never see again.
Terry obviously isn’t going to go down the route of John Ryan. He has done a good job, but he has had to grow into being a supporter of the club.
Until he either gets an investor or someone takes over, things will be as they are.
He supports the club to a decent level but isn’t going to put it at risk by being too dependant on him.
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Additions were made in January of the cheapest variety. With only one person putting money in then of course what we can afford will decrease.
The problem is how many potential investors would want to invest with another guy already in situ?.
The ‘Three amigos’ was a situation we will probably never see again.
Terry obviously isn’t going to go down the route of John Ryan. He has done a good job, but he has had to grow into being a supporter of the club.
Until he either gets an investor or someone takes over, things will be as they are.
He supports the club to a decent level but isn’t going to put it at risk by being too dependant on him.
That's just a nonsense. Terry has single-handedly put more money into this club than any single individual in the time I've been a supporter of this club, and that covers a 60 year period. To suggest he won't go down the route of JR is just a ridiculous statement to make and not based on anything factual.
Lets face facts, JR was a great spokesman for the club, but it was Terry and Dick's money that provided the platform to achieve what we did.
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It’s very sad to say but I think he may be correct. The clubs downward trajectory, both on and off the pitch is there to see. The owners’ and leaders general inertia to club has got me thinking we will be next seasons Scunny. I am so convinced I’m going to have a look at the odds to ease the pain.
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Oh dear oh dear.
Not even close to doing a Scunthorpe.
Yes we were bad last season but we are miles better than them and that is without a decent striker.
If we get one who stays fit we have a very good squad for league 2
More additions to come also.
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Lets face facts, JR was a great spokesman for the club, but it was Terry and Dick's money that provided the platform to achieve what we did.
Not quite true. Yes, they helped getting us to the Championship and maintaining it, but JR got us to within a whisker of it, with help from a few others, before Terry & Dick came along.
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It’s very sad to say but I think he may be correct. The clubs downward trajectory, both on and off the pitch is there to see. The owners’ and leaders general inertia to club has got me thinking we will be next seasons Scunny. I am so convinced I’m going to have a look at the odds to ease the pain.
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Oh dear oh dear.
Not even close to doing a Scunthorpe.
Yes we were bad last season but we are miles better than them and that is without a decent striker.
If we get one who stays fit we have a very good squad for league 2
More additions to come also.
To be fair Camps, at the end of 2020/21 when some of us wrote that we feared that the horrifying run to the end of that season might continue into 21/22 there were plenty of posters who said that wouldn’t happen either.
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Lets face facts, JR was a great spokesman for the club, but it was Terry and Dick's money that provided the platform to achieve what we did.
Not quite true. Yes, they helped getting us to the Championship and maintaining it, but JR got us to within a whisker of it, with help from a few others, before Terry & Dick came along.
Once promoted out of the old 4th tier at the 1st attempt we finished 10th and then 8th in League 1. I wouldn't call that a whisker.
Terry and Dick joined the board in October 2006.
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Additions were made in January of the cheapest variety. With only one person putting money in then of course what we can afford will decrease.
The problem is how many potential investors would want to invest with another guy already in situ?.
The ‘Three amigos’ was a situation we will probably never see again.
Terry obviously isn’t going to go down the route of John Ryan. He has done a good job, but he has had to grow into being a supporter of the club.
Until he either gets an investor or someone takes over, things will be as they are.
He supports the club to a decent level but isn’t going to put it at risk by being too dependant on him.
That's just a nonsense. Terry has single-handedly put more money into this club than any single individual in the time I've been a supporter of this club, and that covers a 60 year period. To suggest he won't go down the route of JR is just a ridiculous statement to make and not based on anything factual.
Lets face facts, JR was a great spokesman for the club, but it was Terry and Dick's money that provided the platform to achieve what we did.
SCWK, What did you mean by the point, "Terry obviously isn’t going to go down the route of John Ryan" as i feel this may be misconstrued. I think the point could mean a few things.
Could you clarify?
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Can't believe such tripe as linked in the OP could be taken even remotely seriously in May .
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Additions were made in January of the cheapest variety. With only one person putting money in then of course what we can afford will decrease.
The problem is how many potential investors would want to invest with another guy already in situ?.
The ‘Three amigos’ was a situation we will probably never see again.
Terry obviously isn’t going to go down the route of John Ryan. He has done a good job, but he has had to grow into being a supporter of the club.
Until he either gets an investor or someone takes over, things will be as they are.
He supports the club to a decent level but isn’t going to put it at risk by being too dependant on him.
That's just a nonsense. Terry has single-handedly put more money into this club than any single individual in the time I've been a supporter of this club, and that covers a 60 year period. To suggest he won't go down the route of JR is just a ridiculous statement to make and not based on anything factual.
Lets face facts, JR was a great spokesman for the club, but it was Terry and Dick's money that provided the platform to achieve what we did.
SCWK, What did you mean by the point, "Terry obviously isn’t going to go down the route of John Ryan" as i feel this may be misconstrued. I think the point could mean a few things.
Could you clarify?
He won’t go as far in spending money in trying to advance us quickly. It seems to me he is putting a certain amount in and letting the club find its natural division.
If the club can’t support itself to a degree ,then it seems he isn’t going to pump silly amounts into the club. He wants the club as high as possible in the leagues, but if they can’t sustain themselves in the championship or league one, he isn’t chasing any particular dream. His main thought is to make sure there is a club to support.
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Would anyone agree with me that league two and to a possibly lesser extent league one is more about how smart you are with the budget rather than the size of it .
An example would be Wycombe Wanderers out performing Ipswich Town this season .
Fan owned Exeter City winning League Two on modest gates .
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Would anyone agree with me that league two and to a possibly lesser extent league one is more about how smart you are with the budget rather than the size of it .
An example would be Wycombe Wanderers out performing Ipswich Town this season .
Fan owned Exeter City winning League Two on modest gates .
Agree totally especially at that level.
It’s all about getting 3 more players in now with promotion on their CV’s imo. We need some winners in the team.
That is absolutely vital.
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Yes you have to use the playing budget to get the best quality players we can unfortunately to degree last summer in parts and January we didn’t do that. Players brought in had to get up to speed first which took longer than expected. But with a mid table playing budget in league one ( which we had? ) then we should be able to get the players required to attack League 2 and bounce back decisively.
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I still think there is going to be some tough times financially for a lot of league clubs from the covid period. Yeah we had a bad season but we’ve paid what we needed to other clubs I would wager have kicked the can down the road
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I still think there is going to be some tough times financially for a lot of league clubs from the covid period. Yeah we had a bad season but we’ve paid what we needed to other clubs I would wager have kicked the can down the road
That could also be advantageous with the amount of players getting released this summer .
Whether players like it or not if they want to remain in the game they are going to have to be realistic with their wage expectations .
Where the game was two years ago to where it is now financially is chalk and cheese .
Looking at many championship clubs list of players released there is plenty of quality available .
Out there this summer there are players available within budget who would have you winning the league next season , there is .
This is where the smarts kick in .
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Totally agree with that Tyke (hope things are better for you personally by the way). It’s not just quality we are making the right noises about players being the correct fit too. Our first signing would have been well known to our new assistant manager so fingers crossed
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Totally agree with that Tyke (hope things are better for you personally by the way). It’s not just quality we are making the right noises about players being the correct fit too. Our first signing would have been well known to our new assistant manager so fingers crossed
Thanks rovers , things are much better personally than they were a fortnight ago .
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Totally agree with that Tyke (hope things are better for you personally by the way). It’s not just quality we are making the right noises about players being the correct fit too. Our first signing would have been well known to our new assistant manager so fingers crossed
A bit under the radar this one but Luton have released midfield player Luke Berry who was part of the Luton journey from league two to the championship .
29 years old , smart signing with midfield goals in him in my opinion .