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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Barmby Rover on June 01, 2022, 12:08:15 pm
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bit.ly/3aAqVk3 #DRFC Not surprising.
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Next, Tommy Roe
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Link not working .... Take it he's gone ?
Would not be shocked if Tommy R goes too ... Better pay maybe a Div higher ( shame for us if he goes )
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Not surprised but not disappointed either
https://twitter.com/drfc_official/status/1531953705611829248
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bit.ly/3aAqVk3 #DRFC Not surprising.
Exactly. I’ve been saying this for ages. Zero chance of him playing in League Two. The guy is only 30. Total fantasy for anyone to think he would.
He would definitely fit in top end League One. Wednesday for obviously reasons would not surprise anyone.
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As said, not surprising. A lot of focus on younger players being brought up from youth team next season I suspect. Will get behind the youngsters and hopefully we can make a good go at life in league 2!
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No surprise at all. He would really excel in a strong squad so it is a shame he's left as I expect us to be very competitive this season.
Ah well. We move on.
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Good player, shame to lose him but understandable. On the same vein feel that he didn't achieve anything whilst he was here. Never scored a goal for example and injured a number of times. We were better with him in the side no doubt there and you have to feel he'd have gone on to achieve something if he'd stayed.
Yet again he's on the move, it can't do him good moving around often.
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Next, Tommy Roe
Wonder which club and how much the transfer fee offered.
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Link not working .... Take it he's gone ?
Would not be shocked if Tommy R goes too ... Better pay maybe a Div higher ( shame for us if he goes )
Tommy was assuring people at a function he was stopping I believe DW but a lot of water to go under the bridge yet
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I don’t necessarily see this as a negative it’s always been about getting horses for courses players to be successful in any division - as good a player as no doubt he is he was always a luxury type player for us in League One & was never going to be up for the scrapping, physical stuff in League Two.
Wish him well in his next move
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I was very much on the fence with Bostock, now it’s happened I’m not unduly upset. Think he would have been assaulted every week in league two. We should definitely play at a higher tempo without him
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I was very much on the fence with Bostock, now it’s happened I’m not unduly upset. Think he would have been assaulted every week in league two. We should definitely play at a higher tempo without him
Our performances improving last season did coincide with his return from injury. He will be a big miss.
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Good he has left. Little end product in terms of goals and assists, luxury player, not going to be up for it on a cold winter's evening away at Barrow in my opinion so good riddance. Neither him or Bogle have lived up to the billing, and whilst Bostock has been great in flashes, hasn't done 90 mins regularly, been injury prone and think he isan't what we need for league two, given his wages aswell, think it will free up money for players better equipped for league two.
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Good he has left. Little end product in terms of goals and assists, luxury player, not going to be up for it on a cold winter's evening away at Barrow in my opinion so good riddance. Neither him or Bogle have lived up to the billing, and whilst Bostock has been great in flashes, hasn't done 90 mins regularly, been injury prone and think he isan't what we need for league two, given his wages aswell, think it will free up money for players better equipped for league two.
Transitioning isn't a luxury. Genuinely don't understand people who call him a luxury player.
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I was very much on the fence with Bostock, now it’s happened I’m not unduly upset. Think he would have been assaulted every week in league two. We should definitely play at a higher tempo without him
No great miss in league 2. I agree.
The game is played very often at a pace which will not suit Bostock.
We need legs in that midfield. Clayton will do the holding role and Rowe is not getting any younger so we have Biggins to so the box to box work and we need another midfielder now with legs. Preferably one that will stay fit for the whole season.
That’s the key for me is having a really good pre season. Having a properly fit squad and at least one serious goalscorer signed who will play 40+ games
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Should free up some funds
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I would rather sign Smith of the two of them, good player in some areas of the field, but a liability in the defensive areas, an accident waiting to happen with very little pace or mobility.
I always had the feeling we played him 25yds too deep and he could have been better further up the field.
Best of luck to the guy, as I was always told what a great lad he was, and good with the younger lads in the academy, but he needs a team to suit his game, where he can dictate the pace, its not league 2 or league 1 in IMHO and more suited to foreign football.
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We now have Clayton Rowe Biggins and Close will the club bring in another permanent midfield player or try and find a good loan, we will see how this develops.
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Should free up some funds
I don't think he was on much by all accounts
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Should free up some funds
I don't think he was on much by all accounts
I would say by his standards he probably wasn’t, but by ours he probably was
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Bostock not sticking then....
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When fit he was our best player, one of very few who could actually pick a pass and show composure.
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I’m sorry to see him go, but like everyone else not surprised or even gutted. He was good but never brilliant, it was just the odd flash every so often. His fitness is suspect, or has been for us at least. I’m not sure there would be much doubt about him being a top earner, might not be in comparison to what he has been used too, but for us…
I have heard he has always been positive around the club, and very professional. Good luck JB.
Going forward I’m relatively happy with the early progress and how it’s being reported.
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Be surprised if he doesn't go Wednesday, be a championship midfield with him and Bannan in it
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I think I’m with you Donnywolf I’ll be surprised if T Rowe stays unless he’s on some really good contract
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Good he has left. Little end product in terms of goals and assists, luxury player, not going to be up for it on a cold winter's evening away at Barrow in my opinion so good riddance. Neither him or Bogle have lived up to the billing, and whilst Bostock has been great in flashes, hasn't done 90 mins regularly, been injury prone and think he isan't what we need for league two, given his wages aswell, think it will free up money for players better equipped for league two.
Transitioning isn't a luxury. Genuinely don't understand people who call him a luxury player.
Tell me how he hasn't been? In 16 months, how many games, how many assists, how many goals, how much end product and success? Whiteman's so called replacement, great back passes and sideways passes akin to Ray Wilkins, but what else did he do??? Probably half a dozen good to very good performances in that time, i call that luxury.
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I enjoyed watching him play but I'm not that arsed he's gone.
Next.
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We need a player who can play 40+ games and has some athletism not someone who can play less than half a season. As good a player as he is, he isn’t what we need this season
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Good he has left. Little end product in terms of goals and assists, luxury player, not going to be up for it on a cold winter's evening away at Barrow in my opinion so good riddance. Neither him or Bogle have lived up to the billing, and whilst Bostock has been great in flashes, hasn't done 90 mins regularly, been injury prone and think he isan't what we need for league two, given his wages aswell, think it will free up money for players better equipped for league two.
Transitioning isn't a luxury. Genuinely don't understand people who call him a luxury player.
Tell me how he hasn't been? In 16 months, how many games, how many assists, how many goals, how much end product and success? Whiteman's so called replacement, great back passes and sideways passes akin to Ray Wilkins, but what else did he do??? Probably half a dozen good to very good performances in that time, i call that luxury.
His game wasn't about goals and assists, his game was about transition. He linked the defence to the more forward thinking players and was brilliant positionally, he stopped numerous attacks just by being in the right place. He was good at the stuff you don't see on the BBC Sport results page but his presence influenced our performances massively.
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Good player that he his, was never a good fit for us. A team in our situation needs to extract every last bit of quality, energy, pace, assists, goals and fitness from its leading players, how often could we say for JB that we got a good or high proportion of any of the elements from him?
This being the case him going should allow us to concentrate his wages on individuals who can provide a higher proportion of the required elements. in the immediate to mid term that will serve us far better.
Thanks for your efforts John, i doubt we will come across your efforts in the short term.
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Good he has left. Little end product in terms of goals and assists, luxury player, not going to be up for it on a cold winter's evening away at Barrow in my opinion so good riddance. Neither him or Bogle have lived up to the billing, and whilst Bostock has been great in flashes, hasn't done 90 mins regularly, been injury prone and think he isan't what we need for league two, given his wages aswell, think it will free up money for players better equipped for league two.
Transitioning isn't a luxury. Genuinely don't understand people who call him a luxury player.
Tell me how he hasn't been? In 16 months, how many games, how many assists, how many goals, how much end product and success? Whiteman's so called replacement, great back passes and sideways passes akin to Ray Wilkins, but what else did he do??? Probably half a dozen good to very good performances in that time, i call that luxury.
His game wasn't about goals and assists, his game was about transition. He linked the defence to the more forward thinking players and was brilliant positionally, he stopped numerous attacks just by being in the right place. He was good at the stuff you don't see on the BBC Sport results page but his presence influenced our performances massively.
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At one point mid season he had the most interceptions for a mid fielder in Lge 1.
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Always a pretty long odds on chance to leave.
I’m his biggest fan but him leaving could be a blessing in disguise. GM is likely to have played JB and AC as a double pivot, the way he deployed them at the end of last season, I don’t think that would have been in the best interest of the team when we will be expected to win most weeks. John leaving could free up the midfield a bit.
Recruitment in this area becomes interesting now. Clayton, Close and Biggins look the be the three first choice boys in there now, what kind of player do you add in that area to strengthen the squad? It will be an interesting one to look out for.
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I think a fit Clayton could be more used to us in Div 2 that Bostock would be...... think we'll see him at a high end Div 1 team - possibly Wednesday.
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I can only go by what I read on hear and in the papers but on the comments on here and the way our season panned out I don’t really care who stays because if half of what is written on hear is half true none of them deserve the privilege of calling themselves professional footballers
I be wouldn’t imagine him leaving will have any major impact
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Before we can decide what we need, we need to know the manager’s preference for formation. If it’s 4-4-2, then we need more, maybe 2 or 3. Taylor, Close, Biggins, Clayton and Rowe for starters, but we need 3 adding to those, so we’re covered. You could add, say, Seaman to that list, as he’s more a midfielder than a full back.
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Bostick has come unstuck.
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Clearly a talented player, but missed a lot of games for whatever reason. I think his attitude is not necessarily the best. Can play when he wants to. Talks a good game though. No great loss IMHO.
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Yes a very good player but his talent would be wasted in League Two & he’s not what we need either we need a certain type ala Gary Brabin, Kevin Hulme or a Jimmy Kelly type a grafter who plays every game and puts all in & not afraid to put his foot in.
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Clearly a talented player, but missed a lot of games for whatever reason. I think his attitude is not necessarily the best. Can play when he wants to. Talks a good game though. No great loss IMHO.
I think his attitude has been first class, seems a really good guy.
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I think I’m with you Donnywolf I’ll be surprised if T Rowe stays unless he’s on some really good contract
But he is contracted to us, major difference!
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Before we can decide what we need, we need to know the manager’s preference for formation. If it’s 4-4-2, then we need more, maybe 2 or 3. Taylor, Close, Biggins, Clayton and Rowe for starters, but we need 3 adding to those, so we’re covered. You could add, say, Seaman to that list, as he’s more a midfielder than a full back.
Will be either 3-5-2 or a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1.
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I think I’m with you Donnywolf I’ll be surprised if T Rowe stays unless he’s on some really good contract
But he is contracted to us, major difference!
But we all know contracts mean very little if a player wants to leave.
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I think I’m with you Donnywolf I’ll be surprised if T Rowe stays unless he’s on some really good contract
But he is contracted to us, major difference!
But we all know contracts mean very little if a player wants to leave.
That's right, but the club he goes to will still have to pay a transfer fee.
There's no way they'll get Tommy for nothing.
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Disappointed, quality player, however he was in the team that got relegated, didn’t fancy trying to put it right, I wonder if God advised him, after the last advise from him the man that signed him f**ked off!
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Good he has left. Little end product in terms of goals and assists, luxury player, not going to be up for it on a cold winter's evening away at Barrow in my opinion so good riddance. Neither him or Bogle have lived up to the billing, and whilst Bostock has been great in flashes, hasn't done 90 mins regularly, been injury prone and think he isan't what we need for league two, given his wages aswell, think it will free up money for players better equipped for league two.
Transitioning isn't a luxury. Genuinely don't understand people who call him a luxury player.
Tell me how he hasn't been? In 16 months, how many games, how many assists, how many goals, how much end product and success? Whiteman's so called replacement, great back passes and sideways passes akin to Ray Wilkins, but what else did he do??? Probably half a dozen good to very good performances in that time, i call that luxury.
His game wasn't about goals and assists, his game was about transition. He linked the defence to the more forward thinking players and was brilliant positionally, he stopped numerous attacks just by being in the right place. He was good at the stuff you don't see on the BBC Sport results page but his presence influenced our performances massively.
He transitioned nothing. He was injury prone, hardly played 90 minutes and played in one of our worst performing teams for decades. As I have said elsewhere he will be no good on.a cold winters evening away at Barrow and has flattered to deceive in 16 months. So your argument is based on positional sense, cos he can't tackle, not renouned for his aerial ability or arriving into the box, very little forward thinking final output and has no pace. I call transitioning and positional.sense a luxury, especially in league Two!
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He seemed a good influence on those around him, I really liked him but lost a lot of respect when he screamed and rolled about only to be up and running when he never got a free kick (yeah I know it seems to be part of the game now)
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Tommy Rowe's 34 not long after the season starts, no one's paying a fee for him. He'll be playing for us next season.
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I thought we had a option for a further year on his contract. What does that even mean?
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Not a lot really.
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As talented as he is, he wouldn't have likely started more than 30 league games next season. He would be a luxury player for that reason alone. Hopefully we can put those wages to better use.
He could well be suited to playing at a bigger club who can afford to have someone like him rotated in and out of their starting XI to manage his minutes.
Good luck to him. He's a good player and seems like a decent bloke.
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Good player so it's a big loss but it's better it's sorted now. Concentrate on getting in another in that position who we can trust to play 30+ games and has a bit more room to develop while not been a total rookie.
Hope we don't replace him with loanees i'm not a fan of been reliant on them in the spine of the team.
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No loss what so ever.
get over it
look at how long he stays anywhere?
hope he has a discount rail card
BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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I liked him. His quality was obvious however, given that, I wanted/expected to see him dominating games and that never really materialised although I do think our better performances were with Bostwick in the team. Not surprised and not gutted but I do think we would be a better league 2 team with him in it. See who comes through the door
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Next, Tommy Roe
There’s something a bit fishy about that post.
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Always a pretty long odds on chance to leave.
I’m his biggest fan but him leaving could be a blessing in disguise. GM is likely to have played JB and AC as a double pivot, the way he deployed them at the end of last season, I don’t think that would have been in the best interest of the team when we will be expected to win most weeks. John leaving could free up the midfield a bit.
Recruitment in this area becomes interesting now. Clayton, Close and Biggins look the be the three first choice boys in there now, what kind of player do you add in that area to strengthen the squad? It will be an interesting one to look out for.
They are a good bunch but Clayton turns 34 this season, Close as I pointed out last week has no track record whatsoever of lasting a season full of games, and Biggins has not played a single minute for us yet. It’s an uncertain midfield.
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As much as Bostock was a quality player on the ball, I do think we need a different midfield. We need players who threaten with late runs and score and create goals. Smith is the same for all the endeavour no end product.
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Next, Tommy Roe
There’s something a bit fishy about that post.
Oh dear
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I am assuming that those players where we had an option and are taking it up, will stay (Anderson, Jones and Bottomley) in addition to Barlow and Faulkner who signed new terms. Our 21 man contracted squad looks like this now:
Jonathan Mitchell
Louis Jones
Ben Bottomley
Kyle Knoyle
Ollie Younger
Joseph Olowu
Bobby Faulkner
Tom Anderson
Ro-Shaun Williams
Harrison Biggins
Adam Clayton
Ben Close
Tommy Rowe
Liam Ravenhill
Jon Taylor
Jordy Hiwula
Charlie Seaman
Aidan Barlow
Joe Dodoo
Kieran Agard
Reo Griffiths
We have no left back and also no goals in there. Rumours continue that Hiwula and Dodoo are wanted elsewhere.
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6 needed minimum.
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Hopefully over the next month we start to see some significant steps towards strengthening that squad.
We certainly need a left back, we now need to replace Bostock (not necessarily a like for like but the midfield needs another good option). We need a wide player / number 10 and we need at least one striker, make that two if Dodoo leaves.
That’s the minimum as I see it.
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That sounds right. Ideally we can offload Hiwula and Dodoo, who will probably be on very good League Two money.
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Left back and 2/3 forwards needed big time. We have to move Hiwula and Dodoo on, but it might not be easy admittedly.
We still haven’t really got that commanding ball progressive centre defensive midfielder that we’ve missed since Whiteman left. Clayton isn’t that player I don’t think and we need at least 1 more midfielder.
Then we need to make the most out of the loan market, get some quality in. If we can find a Josh Martin type player then that will make a huge difference in L2.
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I don’t think the defence is particularly strong at all but is probably good enough for League Two maybe. The bigger issue is the total absence of any goals in that side. Other than Tommy Rowe there are not many in that midfield either. I would prioritise that problem, and if we had money to burn would then gut the defence.
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I can’t work Bostock out. Technically brilliant but him joining was the start of our complete nosedive in form just before Moore leaving.
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I don’t think the defence is particularly strong at all but is probably good enough for League Two maybe. The bigger issue is the total absence of any goals in that side. Other than Tommy Rowe there are not many in that midfield either. I would prioritise that problem, and if we had money to burn would then gut the defence.
In terms of Griffiths it’s an unknown but Telford at Newport was L2 top scorer and only got 2 goals the season before in the same league!
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Faulkner has been missed in that list of defenders and is capable of pushing for a place during the season, and if he bombs the preseason could come into the reckoning sooner than people think.
Another thing I would try is Ro Shaun Williams as a central mid field player playing in front of the back line, I think he could do well there, is mobile, big and Strong, and puts himself about and can bring the ball out. Worth a try in preseason games.
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Have amended list to include Faulkner and also Barlow, making now a 21 man senior squad.
Ro-Shaun has extremely limited mobility and very little ability with the ball, so I do not think he could play even a very deep lying defensive midfield role. He would create more problems than he would ever solve.
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Have amended list to include Faulkner and also Barlow, making now a 21 man senior squad.
Ro-Shaun has extremely limited mobility and very little ability with the ball, so I do not think he could play even a very deep lying defensive midfield role. He would create more problems than he would ever solve.
Agreed. The idea of seeing RSW playing in midfield has brought a smile to my face. Thank you Selby :)
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Have amended list to include Faulkner and also Barlow, making now a 21 man senior squad.
Ro-Shaun has extremely limited mobility and very little ability with the ball, so I do not think he could play even a very deep lying defensive midfield role. He would create more problems than he would ever solve.
Agreed. The idea of seeing RSW playing in midfield has brought a smile to my face. Thank you Selby :)
Had to double check the calendar that we’re at the start of June rather than the start of April!
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I bow to your superior knowledge of spotting footballers. You obviously made your minds up about the lad long ago and will never give him credit, that's just the way you are, he offers more than you give him credit for that's for sure.
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Faulkner has been missed in that list of defenders and is capable of pushing for a place during the season, and if he bombs the preseason could come into the reckoning sooner than people think.
Another thing I would try is Ro Shaun Williams as a central mid field player playing in front of the back line, I think he could do well there, is mobile, big and Strong, and puts himself about and can bring the ball out. Worth a try in preseason games.
Bring the ball out?
He shits himself when he has the ball at his feet, I’m not sure what you are seeing there at all
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I bow to your superior knowledge of spotting footballers. You obviously made your minds up about the lad long ago and will never give him credit, that's just the way you are, he offers more than you give him credit for that's for sure.
I thought he was terrible in the first half of the season but much improved second half and I’m happy to give him credit when he deserves it. I’d be fine to see him start the season at centre back but I haven’t seen a single aspect to his game that makes me think he’d be even remotely suited to moving into midfield.
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Williams did well after getting over his injury, unfortunately as well as he plays there is a mistake in his game and that seems to be the only thing some of our fans focus on
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Lets be right on the ball RSW is way less than pro standard. Theres more to been a centre half so he can get away with it but in midfield it would be touch, tackle touch, tackle all game.
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It was an appalling defensive unit. They shipped 82 goals at 1.8 goals a game. Only 10 clean sheets all season. We conceded in around 8 out of 10 games. There is not much to give anyone hope that this is going to be an asset even in League Two.
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We need goal threat from the forwards and midfield. We also need a calming influence added in central defence and left back. An experienced goalkeeper wouldn’t go amiss.
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It was an appalling defensive unit. They shipped 82 goals at 1.8 goals a game. Only 10 clean sheets all season. We conceded in around 8 out of 10 games. There is not much to give anyone hope that this is going to be an asset even in League Two.
It's hard to keep clean sheets ,and too easy to make errors when the ball keeps coming back at you all the time ,because the forwards and midfield can't hold the ball up, or stop the crosses coming in from all angles.
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Lets be right on the ball RSW is way less than pro standard. Theres more to been a centre half so he can get away with it but in midfield it would be touch, tackle touch, tackle all game.
And yet he has been with pro football clubs, including Man Utd, since 2008 and been capped by England at U19 level.
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And yet there are better judges of players ability sat in the stand at Doncaster every home game than ManU and England coaches.
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Lets be right on the ball RSW is way less than pro standard. Theres more to been a centre half so he can get away with it but in midfield it would be touch, tackle touch, tackle all game.
And yet he has been with pro football clubs, including Man Utd, since 2008 and been capped by England at U19 level.
Hardly saying he's a bad player. Anyone who makes it pro is very very good relatively speaking. But has anyone seen anything to suggest he should be playing centre midfield! That's the point i'm taking issue with and pretty sure every coach, manager whatever at any decent level would agree. We've been awful enough as it is for a while now no need to make it worse when we've a chance for a fresh start
I'd actually be for him playing in there in a preseason game if only to end this discussion before it gets going, and a bit of comedy value.
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Lets be right on the ball RSW is way less than pro standard. Theres more to been a centre half so he can get away with it but in midfield it would be touch, tackle touch, tackle all game.
And yet he has been with pro football clubs, including Man Utd, since 2008 and been capped by England at U19 level.
Hardly saying he's a bad player. Anyone who makes it pro is very very good relatively speaking. But has anyone seen anything to suggest he should be playing centre midfield! That's the point i'm taking issue with and pretty sure every coach, manager whatever at any decent level would agree. We've been awful enough as it is for a while now no need to make it worse when we've a chance for a fresh start
I'd actually be for him playing in there in a preseason game if only to end this discussion before it gets going, and a bit of comedy value.
Sedwards, I wasn’t taking issue with you over him playing midfield, just that you said his touch is way below pro standard and I have to disagree.
He wouldn’t have made the grade if that was the case.
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https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/search/?q=bostock&quick=1
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https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/search/?q=bostock&quick=1
What a poor lay out their forum is.
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Some great comments on there lol
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I can’t work Bostock out. Technically brilliant but him joining was the start of our complete nosedive in form just before Moore leaving.
The Tino Asprilla of Donny rovers.
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No loyalty or accountability for his overall contribution to the club.
Talented? Sure he is. But in my opinion never felt he wanted to have a career at the Rovers.
Typical of the class of 21/22 that was desultory at best.
I'd rather the likes of Barlow or Smith (mk2) a 2/3 year contract ahead of someone who only cared for the club if it suited their social media image.
How many games did you see Bostock truly give 100% for the cause?
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He was and is a talented player, but the number of times he completed 90 minutes over the last 18 months was minimal.
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No loyalty or accountability for his overall contribution to the club.
Talented? Sure he is. But in my opinion never felt he wanted to have a career at the Rovers.
Typical of the class of 21/22 that was desultory at best.
I'd rather the likes of Barlow or Smith (mk2) a 2/3 year contract ahead of someone who only cared for the club if it suited their social media image.
How many games did you see Bostock truly give 100% for the cause?
That first sentence, he has history of that, shit on Palace because he thought the grass was greener elsewhere
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Still nothing on social media from John himself thanking the club or fans.
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Still nothing on social media from John himself thanking the club or fans.
He's done with us. We should be with him. Soulless journeyman.
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No loyalty or accountability for his overall contribution to the club.
Talented? Sure he is. But in my opinion never felt he wanted to have a career at the Rovers.
Typical of the class of 21/22 that was desultory at best.
I'd rather the likes of Barlow or Smith (mk2) a 2/3 year contract ahead of someone who only cared for the club if it suited their social media image.
How many games did you see Bostock truly give 100% for the cause?
That first sentence, he has history of that, shit on Palace because he thought the grass was greener elsewhere
Half his life ago. :laugh:
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There are some nasty comments on here again .Goodness I do hope I never have to meet some of you in real life .
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No loyalty or accountability for his overall contribution to the club.
Talented? Sure he is. But in my opinion never felt he wanted to have a career at the Rovers.
Typical of the class of 21/22 that was desultory at best.
I'd rather the likes of Barlow or Smith (mk2) a 2/3 year contract ahead of someone who only cared for the club if it suited their social media image.
How many games did you see Bostock truly give 100% for the cause?
That first sentence, he has history of that, shit on Palace because he thought the grass was greener elsewhere
Half his life ago. :laugh:
Not half his life ago, half his ego ago. Always a mistake sign a player on much less wages than they are used to, then they feel like they are doing you a favour. Good luck to him.
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There are some nasty comments on here again .Goodness I do hope I never have to meet some of you in real life .
I was just thinking this, a lot of spite!
I feel a bit disappointed that we didn’t get a bit more out of Bostock given his pedigree but he did OK for us and certainly doesn’t owe us anything - good luck to him with wherever he ends up.
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I think he enjoyed his time here. When we equalised v Bolton I watched him run onto the pitch jumping about like a mad man.
All the best to him.
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I sit just behind the home bench and can confirm he cared more than probably any other player. He never stopped shouting words of encouragement when sat on the bench. Meanwhile most of the others not selected or injured spent most of the match on their phones.
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And yet there are better judges of players ability sat in the stand at Doncaster every home game than ManU and England coaches.
Yes, but the thing is, Brian, the Man U and England coaches don't pay his wages, we do. That means we're entitled to criticise.
I personally thought he was one of the worse CBs I've ever seen at Rovers. That was last season, of course. He might improve. Let's hope so.
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We certainly kept the ball a lot more with Bostock in the team. A fully fit full season 90 minute Bostock is Championship quality IMO. Surely surely will be at Hillsborough next season.
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And yet there are better judges of players ability sat in the stand at Doncaster every home game than ManU and England coaches.
Yes, but the thing is, Brian, the Man U and England coaches don't pay his wages, we do. That means we're entitled to criticise.
I personally thought he was one of the worse CBs I've ever seen at Rovers. That was last season, of course. He might improve. Let's hope so.
He definitely improved in the 2nd half of the season
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And yet there are better judges of players ability sat in the stand at Doncaster every home game than ManU and England coaches.
Yes, but the thing is, Brian, the Man U and England coaches don't pay his wages, we do. That means we're entitled to criticise.
I personally thought he was one of the worse CBs I've ever seen at Rovers. That was last season, of course. He might improve. Let's hope so.
He definitely improved in the 2nd half of the season
Amd the part where many of the supporters were saying we are in the crapper with this lot......yet all some said was, its ok, give us time, we got the likes of Bostok , we are not going down...............and nows not the time to say that sort of thing ..............hey what do many of us know?..THE DAMN TRUTH!
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Dissapointing he's going but not unexpected, really think with better players around him he would have been a real asset. Excellent player but certainly couldn't like the physical side.p Obviously doesn't fancy the challenge of league 2, so good luck & goodbye.
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Did they offer him reduced wages?
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Good luck to him now move on
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Did they offer him reduced wages?
I heard they offered him around 1,250, approximately a 50% wage cut. If this is true can understand why they did from the club's point of view but you can also see why he was never going to sign. What's frustrating is when you hear how much is left in the pot and how much players like Ro-Shaun and Close are earning.
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Everything came down to the fact he can't sprint and lack of pace simple as that, and teams pick him apart.
When he didn't have the ball he was a liability.
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He was clearly an asset but you can count the number of times he completed 90 minutes for us almost on two hands. We need a core of players who consistently turn up and turn out for us.
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Did they offer him reduced wages?
I heard they offered him around 1,250, approximately a 50% wage cut. If this is true can understand why they did from the club's point of view but you can also see why he was never going to sign. What's frustrating is when you hear how much is left in the pot and how much players like Ro-Shaun and Close are earning.
He was never going to sign for that so you would have thought we would have had informal discussions with him before making it official we were offering him a contract.
Right decision as well I wasn’t his biggest fan. Couldn’t score, don’t remember many assists and very few tackles. We need some legs, tackles and goals in midfield. If Close and Clayton stay fit they should be neat and tidy enough on the ball….we don’t need 3 of them types.
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Did they offer him reduced wages?
I heard they offered him around 1,250, approximately a 50% wage cut. If this is true can understand why they did from the club's point of view but you can also see why he was never going to sign. What's frustrating is when you hear how much is left in the pot and how much players like Ro-Shaun and Close are earning.
Go on then I'll bite, where has this figure come from and how much are the others on? While you are at it why not give us the full list of players wages?
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Did he score any goals for us.?
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Did they offer him reduced wages?
I heard they offered him around 1,250, approximately a 50% wage cut. If this is true can understand why they did from the club's point of view but you can also see why he was never going to sign. What's frustrating is when you hear how much is left in the pot and how much players like Ro-Shaun and Close are earning.
Go on then I'll bite, where has this figure come from and how much are the others on? While you are at it why not give us the full list of players wages?
Just what I've heard, don't know if it's true and not particularly bothered if it's true or not, i've spoken to a few sources, obviously different people have different agendas. Was quite surprised to hear that Barlow was offered new terms but hearing how little he's earning it makes more sense.
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He was clearly an asset but you can count the number of times he completed 90 minutes for us almost on two hands. We need a core of players who consistently turn up and turn out for us.
Less than one hand I think would be correct.
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Everything came down to the fact he can't sprint and lack of pace simple as that, and teams pick him apart.
When he didn't have the ball he was a liability.
I don’t agree with this. Sprinting around isn’t always a sign of being good out of possession. Pretty sure the numbers would back up the fact that Bostock made far more tackles and interceptions than you’d realise.
Anyway he’s gone now. I’m hoping we replace him, not necessarily with a like for like player, but with someone that can genuinely compete for a starting berth in central midfield.
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Did they offer him reduced wages?
I heard they offered him around 1,250, approximately a 50% wage cut. If this is true can understand why they did from the club's point of view but you can also see why he was never going to sign. What's frustrating is when you hear how much is left in the pot and how much players like Ro-Shaun and Close are earning.
Go on then I'll bite, where has this figure come from and how much are the others on? While you are at it why not give us the full list of players wages?
Don’t think anyone was on more than £2500 a week last season apart from possibly one player.
Think 3/4 may have been on around that figure but vast majority of the squad were on between £500 and £2000 a week.
Info from a very reliable source. No one was on silly money that I can say with pretty much certainty.
There is a lot of rubbish spouted about wages which have no substance.
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He was clearly an asset but you can count the number of times he completed 90 minutes for us almost on two hands. We need a core of players who consistently turn up and turn out for us.
Bostock got through the full 90 minutes on 14 occasions during his 18 months with us.
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He was clearly an asset but you can count the number of times he completed 90 minutes for us almost on two hands. We need a core of players who consistently turn up and turn out for us.
Bostock got through the full 90 minutes on 14 occasions during his 18 months with us.
Fair enough. I thought you were referring only to last season. How many full 90+ mins did he complete last season. Would be interested to know CBcb if you know. Would be surprised if that was more than 5
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Everything came down to the fact he can't sprint and lack of pace simple as that, and teams pick him apart.
When he didn't have the ball he was a liability.
I don’t agree with this. Sprinting around isn’t always a sign of being good out of possession. Pretty sure the numbers would back up the fact that Bostock made far more tackles and interceptions than you’d realise.
Anyway he’s gone now. I’m hoping we replace him, not necessarily with a like for like player, but with someone that can genuinely compete for a starting berth in central midfield.
Jon is right. Matt Smith ran a lot because his positional sense was appalling. Bostock was an interception monster because his positioning is elite.
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Bostock completed 90 minutes on 10 occasions during the 2021/22 season.
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Better than I thought particularly taking his injury into consideration
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Half of those 10 came in 5 of our last 6 league games.
For the other 40 league games last season, he managed the other 5.
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Half of those 10 came in 5 of our last 6 league games.
For the other 40 league games last season, he managed the other 5.
We didn’t lose many of those last six games did we.
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Bostock completed 90 minutes on 10 occasions during the 2021/22 season.
Thanks. More than I thought.
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Half of those 10 came in 5 of our last 6 league games.
For the other 40 league games last season, he managed the other 5.
We didn’t lose many of those last six games did we.
W2 D2 L2
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Half of those 10 came in 5 of our last 6 league games.
For the other 40 league games last season, he managed the other 5.
We didn’t lose many of those last six games did we.
W2 D2 L2
A better ratio than the other forty games then.
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Half of those 10 came in 5 of our last 6 league games.
For the other 40 league games last season, he managed the other 5.
We didn’t lose many of those last six games did we.
W2 D2 L2
A better ratio than the other forty games then.
Yeah, if we had that ratio across the season we would have stayed up comfortably! but we didn't so...
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Just posted a thank you message on twitter
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Just posted a thank you message on twitter
Quite a nice one as well.
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His thank you
COYR
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His thank you
COYR
Quality from the man.
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He is a very decent human being, he's met me.
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Class nice message
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No hard feelings. Thanks John, shame it didn't work out etc. Good player, suited to a more technical and slower league.
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Let's be honest, if he'd started next season as he finished the last, fully fit and also with a proper preseason in him, he'd have been a huge asset in league two. But for that very reason he was always unlikely to sign, as he'll surely end up at a top end league one club.
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Half of those 10 came in 5 of our last 6 league games.
For the other 40 league games last season, he managed the other 5.
We didn’t lose many of those last six games did we.
W2 D2 L2
A better ratio than the other forty games then.
Mid table form :lol:
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Half of those 10 came in 5 of our last 6 league games.
For the other 40 league games last season, he managed the other 5.
We didn’t lose many of those last six games did we.
W2 D2 L2
A better ratio than the other forty games then.
Mid table form :lol:
Dead right, that would have been very acceptable as it turned out.
The point being of course that results were generally better with Bostock in the team.
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I think Lg2 would be to ‘hurried’ & physical for him imo.
As has been said though, a class farewell message to the club & supporters.
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Do we need a like for like replacement? Or someone a bit more mobile / a ball winner?
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Do we need a like for like replacement? Or someone a bit more mobile / a ball winner?
I'd go down the enforcer route for Lg2 - someone more Bostwick than Bostock. Bostock was an elegant and quality player, but it'd be like a Rolls Royce at the stock car races in Lg2.
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Brilliant analogy
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Do we need a like for like replacement? Or someone a bit more mobile / a ball winner?
I'd go down the enforcer route for Lg2 - someone more Bostwick than Bostock. Bostock was an elegant and quality player, but it'd be like a Rolls Royce at the stock car races in Lg2.
I’m not sure I really but that. You need good players that fit the style you want to play. All teams at any level need a balance of players that can win the ball back and players that can play when you have it. Bit of a myth that L2 is more physical than L1. There are less passes and more long ball admittedly but that’s about it.
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Do we need a like for like replacement? Or someone a bit more mobile / a ball winner?
I'd go down the enforcer route for Lg2 - someone more Bostwick than Bostock. Bostock was an elegant and quality player, but it'd be like a Rolls Royce at the stock car races in Lg2.
I’m not sure I really but that. You need good players that fit the style you want to play. All teams at any level need a balance of players that can win the ball back and players that can play when you have it. Bit of a myth that L2 is more physical than L1. There are less passes and more long ball admittedly but that’s about it.
And poorer quality players which leads onto those players ‘swapping skilful play’ for aggressive ‘endeavour’ i.e., badly timed tackles, ‘targeting’ those opposition players that show any quality (aka Bostock) so less a myth more an acceptance of that poorer quality.
The further you drop down the ‘league ladder’, the more you’re likely to encounter that type of physicality.
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Do we need a like for like replacement? Or someone a bit more mobile / a ball winner?
I'd go down the enforcer route for Lg2 - someone more Bostwick than Bostock. Bostock was an elegant and quality player, but it'd be like a Rolls Royce at the stock car races in Lg2.
I’m not sure I really but that. You need good players that fit the style you want to play. All teams at any level need a balance of players that can win the ball back and players that can play when you have it. Bit of a myth that L2 is more physical than L1. There are less passes and more long ball admittedly but that’s about it.
And poorer quality players which leads onto those players ‘swapping skilful play’ for aggressive ‘endeavour’ i.e., badly timed tackles, ‘targeting’ those opposition players that show any quality (aka Bostock) so less a myth more an acceptance of that poorer quality.
The further you drop down the ‘league ladder’, the more you’re likely to encounter that type of physicality.
So are you saying L2 is more physical than the championship?? It’s just not true.
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Great farewell note from John there, demonstrating respect to the club, its staff and the fans, classy sign off from a classy player.
Now go out and use his wages to bring in someone we can grow to support and admire.
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On trial with Swindon Town.
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I'm sure I read somewhere that Tommy Rowe is also there on trial.
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I'm sure I read somewhere that Tommy Rowe is also there on trial.
It's Jai Rowe the fullback from Boston.
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On trial with Swindon Town.
I was adamant he would be on trial with Port Vale this pre-season.
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On trial with Swindon Town.
I was adamant he would be on trial with Port Vale this pre-season.
He's been pre-season training with Swansea
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Jai Rowe signed extension at Boston. And played tonight. So not him at Swindon