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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: BillyStubbsTears on June 18, 2022, 11:41:05 am
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He's gearing up for full blown publicly embracing what he did.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1537963693136236545
"Mike Pence had the chance to be great but he did not have the courage to act."
Isn't that THE most terrifying line you've ever heard from an ex-President?
"Mike Pence had the chance to facilitate the coup. He had thousands of violent insurrectionists outside the Capitol. All he had to do was refuse to endorse the election result in the Senate that day, as I'd told him to.
We could have then followed up with the plan that we'd formulated. Declare martial law and keep me as President."
He's there. In public. All but saying that. And the Republican party will choose him to run for the Presidency again in 2 years.
Bill Barr by the way is the Attorney General who told Trump what everyone outside Trumpland knows. That the plan they had for 6 Jan 2021 was illegal and treasonous. Look how Trump responds now.
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I'm struggling to see why he cannot be charged with conspiracy
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https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1537975810560184320
Seth Abramson saying Trump has cover in the Supreme Court, and claiming that one of the chief architects of his insurrection is the wife of a current SCOTUS Judge.
Warning - long thread.
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I'm struggling to see why he cannot be charged with conspiracy
Because half the electorate love him.
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There's a funny or rather droll piece by Andy Borowitz in The New Yorker entitled:
''John Eastman considering applying to law school''
https://www.newyorker.com/
You can read a few articles free
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https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1537975810560184320
Seth Abramson saying Trump has cover in the Supreme Court, and claiming that one of the chief architects of his insurrection is the wife of a current SCOTUS Judge.
Warning - long thread.
Thanks DU the thread reader makes it easier.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1537975434658209792.html
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If you watch the evidence being given to the Jan 6th Committee and see the timeline of what Trump did and said on the day itself, it's horrifying.
Pence had already told Trump beforehand that he wasn't going to do the illegal thing that Trump kept telling him to do, then on the day Trump kept telling the mob at the rally that everything depended on Pence, and then, when Pence didn't do it he tweeted the mob and encouraged them to get Pence for it.
And just to top it off, when he was told that the mob were chanting 'Hang Mike Pence', Trump's response was 'He deserves it'.
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But....but...at least he's not a Democrat.
I've heard personal business contacts saying effectively that to my face. I've had intelligent, erudite, successful people say that we in Europe don't understand. He just acts like he does to bait the Libs and the Libs fall into his trap every time. They insust that Trump is playing a game and has no intention of destroying democracy in America. and meantime, they say, if Trump gets the Republicans into power, it's better for their businesses.
There were, of course, plenty of intelligent, erudite, successful moderate right wing people in Berlin in 1932 who thought they could ride the tiger. When I point that out to them, they laugh and ask if I'm seriously comparing now with then.
I genuinely fear for America.
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Next time ask them if he was baiting Mike Pence for a laugh and see what they say.
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There is a splendid book called 'The Rise and Fall of Great Powers' by Paul Kennedy. Amongst the many, many gems in the book there is clear evidence that 'Great Power' status depends, absolutely, upon economic strength. There's nothing new in stating that - but sit back for 5 minutes and think about the state of the world today and how that fits in with this statement.
We are looking at the beginning of a new 'British syndrome' - the complete inability to get over having once been a great power. What is Trump if not a throwback? 'Make America Great Again'. But he can't. Economic reality, and earth shattering debt, will see to that. But the history of great powers on the wane is downright bloody scary if you put it in the context of today. The struggle to maintain dominance is long, painful and very, very unpredictable. And it always kills people. We have entered a century with manifold reasons to fear.
BobG
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This is what you get when a political system is riddled with corruption, nepotism and back handed favours. Its got to the stage where post of POTUS is reliant on calling in your favours built up over many years of sycophancy and back room deals, how the supposedly most powerful country in the world can be given the choice for leader of two individuals who should either be in jail or a sanitarium is just unbelievable. The whole system of government over there is rotten to the core.
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Meanwhile in Trumpland, have a gander at how Fox News deliberately misinformed its viewers about the reason Johnson was hoyed out.
Apparently his pathological lying isn't worth a mention. It's just that he was too woke so he had to go.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1546878911639871490
America is a country where 40 million people get their political news solely or mainly from a massive organisation that deliberately and purposefully lies to them every single day. How does American democracy survive that?
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If this thread is correct, I am just speechless!
https://twitter.com/EBHarrington/status/1553533320469905409
The man is deranged.
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https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-being-investigated-under-espionage-act-with-top-secret-documents-taken-from-his-florida-home-12671607
I can’t believe no one seems to have commented on the raid on Trump.
I’m pretty sure it will make his supporters love him even more.
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Brilliant article with expert knowledge of the factors involved in collecting intelligence and damage of unauthorised release of the same, especially SIGINT:
https://www.stonekettle.com/2022/08/loose-lips-sink-ships.html
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Dutch, that essay is astonishing. He's had a year and a half to do as he wants with that information and who's to say that enemies of The West haven't already been there before the FBI?
Terrifying.
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Dutch, that essay is astonishing. He's had a year and a half to do as he wants with that information and who's to say that enemies of The West haven't already been there before the FBI?
Terrifying.
Exactly, and he is also known for previously releasing information injudiciously to Russians and wanting to sell Nuclear Tech to Saudis.
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What strikes me as being even more scary than the very scary Trump himself, is that political systems can be manipulated to allow the election of people like him. And the famously deceitful and lying Johnson.
BobG
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.....not to mention political systems that can be manipulated enough to allow the deceitful and lying Keir Starmer to head the polls.
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Absolutely tppical BB. Jiohnson, sacked from two jobs for lying - once of them while a Minister of the Government. Wolrd renowned for lying about just about evefything and equally world renowned for a total inability to keep his mouth shut. Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe for just one blinding example.
Boris Johnson. Described by his well known lefty former boss Max Hastings, editor of the Daily Telegraph, as, and I quote:
"I have known Johnson since the 1980s, when I edited the Daily Telegraph and he was our flamboyant Brussels correspondent. I have argued for a decade that, while he is a brilliant entertainer who made a popular maître d’ for London as its mayor, he is unfit for national office, because it seems he cares for no interest save his own fame and gratification.
Hastings then wrote "He would not recognise the truth, whether about his private or political life, if confronted by it in an identity parade".
If you, or anyone else, wants to read the full, excoriating article, here it is:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain
And then we come to Sir Keir Starmer. Remnind us all, BB, how many jobs he's lost because he's a liar. Remind us all of how many times he has seriously harmed the prospects of freedom of an English citizen simply because he is unable to hold his tongue. Remind us how many times Sir Keir Starmer has been found to have lied.....
There's political allegiance, and then there's blind stupidity.
BobG
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There are plenty of dishonest MP's, but not all of them are hounded out of office because of their dishonesty. That's because some people, like you, choose political bias and are selective with their accusations.
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To the uninitiated, BB here is someone who regularly joins discussions to berate people he claims do nothing but complain about the other side. He'll be on later slagging himself off about his posts here.
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Still talking b*llocks I see, Billy boy.
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There are plenty of dishonest MP's, but not all of them are hounded out of office because of their dishonesty. That's because some people, like you, choose political bias and are selective with their accusations.
Only one of them has lied directly to Parliament, which should have been instant resignation and not getting other MPs to lie to the media for you. As for being hounded out of office, I thought it was his own MPs that did that when they got fed up of being played as mugs for his vanity. Were they biased?
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Starmer has lied to parliament. He also lied and backstabbed to get where he is now.
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As for being hounded out of office, I thought it was his own MPs that did that when they got fed up of being played as mugs for his vanity. Were they biased?
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Starmer has lied to parliament. He also lied and backstabbed to get where he is now.
Name the lies and who he stabbed. I'll wait.
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Starmer has lied to parliament. He also lied and backstabbed to get where he is now.
Name the lies and who he stabbed. I'll wait.
He lied about his support of the EU Vaccine programme. He lied on umpteen of the 10 proposals that got him leader of the Labour party. He stabbed Jeremy Corbyn in the back in the process.
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Oh Christ. Somebody take that spade off BB before he digs himself another hole.
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At least I need a spade to dig a hole, you just bore one with your one-sided bullshit.
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Whereas BB ALWAYS presents both sides of an argument, he's NEVER one-sided!!
Of course, that's when he bothers to put any argument at all and isn't just posting to be insulting.
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There are actually THREE sides to an argument.
1) Your side
2) My side
3) The right side
I win 2-1.
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BB in all those lies did he lie to Parliament?
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BB in all those lies did he lie to Parliament?
He lied about his support of the EU Vaccine programme.
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And here we go again.
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I'm no lover of Trump or the so called GOP and I'd hardly be giving The Democrats any ringing endorsements either , both parties fail the American population consistently .
However since when did the FBI suddenly become the stand up organisation and built on the pillars of justice ? .
An organisation probably responsible for the murders of Malcolm X and MLK to weaken civil rights movements .
A history of union busting and the persecution of socialists and liberals .
I understand Trump has had in his possession these documents for 12 months , that's right 12 months .
If these documents were so classified and sensitive then how come it's taken the FBI 12 months to seize them .
It's absurd .
This is a country by the way that won't even tell It's citizens who was behind the murder of It's own President nearly 60 years ago .
The whole political system in the US is corrupt from top to bottom irrespective of who holds power and has been since the very beginning , even good guy JFK had the 1960 election fixed for him .
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''Details of the Mar-a-Lago raid are still emerging and, as it stands, there are still a lot more questions than answers. One of the biggest questions being: who snitched? Trump’s former personal lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen reckons it was definitely a member of the former president’s circle. Speaking to Insider on Thursday, Cohen said that he “would not be surprised to find out [the informant] is Jared or one of his children … Who else would know about the existence of a safe and the specific contents kept inside?”''
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/13/mar-a-lago-search-ivanka-trump-week-in-patriarchy
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I'm no lover of Trump or the so called GOP and I'd hardly be giving The Democrats any ringing endorsements either , both parties fail the American population consistently .
However since when did the FBI suddenly become the stand up organisation and built on the pillars of justice ? .
An organisation probably responsible for the murders of Malcolm X and MLK to weaken civil rights movements .
A history of union busting and the persecution of socialists and liberals .
I understand Trump has had in his possession these documents for 12 months , that's right 12 months .
If these documents were so classified and sensitive then how come it's taken the FBI 12 months to seize them .
It's absurd .
This is a country by the way that won't even tell It's citizens who was behind the murder of It's own President nearly 60 years ago .
The whole political system in the US is corrupt from top to bottom irrespective of who holds power and has been since the very beginning , even good guy JFK had the 1960 election fixed for him .
They've been asking for them for 18 months. Because Trump kept pratting them about, (he should have handed them over with the 15 palletsful of documents he handed back in January) hence the Search Warrant - that has to have shown Probable Cause of a crime for an independent judge to sign - and then the raid on Mar-A-Lago.
Do keep up. But given the number of ridiculous conspiracy theories you've just quoted in one post I think I'm wasting my breath.
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Rex Tillerson was right
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Meanwhile... Florida Republicans.
https://mobile.twitter.com/mfstern/status/1560961621081686018
He's a British immigrant to the USA. (used to play as keeper for Brighton and Southampton). And he's there making not very veiled threats about the fact that the police officer is an immigrant.
When I first watched that, I was convinced he was going to follow up "Do you know who I am?" with "I'm Ronnie Pickering!"
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One immigrant to another.
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Apparently this is a genuine photo of what the FBI found on the floor at Mar a Lago.
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/18103/production/_126536589_download.png)
Any wonder Putin wanted him in the White House?
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The FBI didn't find them like that, they arranged them on the floor for the photograph.
Mind you, as Trump was blabbing about what he had about Macron, it makes you wonder how many of our British secrets he had just lying around Mar-A-Lago, or couldn't help boasting about.
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The FBI didn't find them like that, they arranged them on the floor for the photograph.
Mind you, as Trump was blabbing about what he had about Macron, it makes you wonder how many of our British secrets he had just lying around Mar-A-Lago, or couldn't help boasting about.
Nah, they were on the scanner and emailed to the Kremlin.
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The FBI didn't find them like that, they arranged them on the floor for the photograph.
Mind you, as Trump was blabbing about what he had about Macron, it makes you wonder how many of our British secrets he had just lying around Mar-A-Lago, or couldn't help boasting about.
Ah ok. I misheard then.
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Still the thought of him having TS-SCI documents at his home, when he's just a private citizen! Beyond belief. That would be a 10-20 year stretch minimum for any normal transgressor.
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It was, and is, a sackable and prosecutable offence to even have a mobile phone in the same building as UK secrets protected by the more serious Section of the Official Secrets Acts. I can never remember if its Section 1 ir Section 2 that's the serious one, but whichever it is, if any of those papers on the floor of Trump's pad fall under the O.S. Acts then he could be, ought to be, but won't be locked up under their terms if he ever again sets foot in UK jurisdiction.
BobG
PS How does TS-SCI fit in with SC, DV and DV strap 1, strap 2 and strap 3? Is TS etc a US classification? I thought I knew the UK classifications being subject to them, but I confess I'd never heard of TS etc until 10 minutes ago.
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TS is Top Secret
SCI is Sensitive Compartmented Information which is required to have additional controls over storage and access, over and above those used for Top Secret documents.
Basically he's walked off with a bunch of documents whose release would have potentially serious consequences for US security.
The question of why he did that and what he may have done with the documents - who he may have shared them with - is very important for US security. But it's irrelevant to his legal position. The fact that he has them at all means he should be facing an absolute minimum of 10 years in jail.
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Are they a part of a US classification system?
BobG