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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Alan Southstand on June 28, 2022, 03:28:56 pm
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Looks like he’s going on loan to Bradford!!
Oh dear.
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Ambitious with Mark Hughes in charge. He will be a stronger player after last season with us.
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Ummm .. i fancied Bradford to win this league ,this season .
Best price 9/1
Donny best price 20/1 (At Corals and Ladbrokes)
Donny worst price 14/1
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I thought we were supposed to be trying to get him back here!
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McSheffrey said it was unrealistic didn't he?
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Did you get that rumour from that WUM rumour account (@AdamWilliSniff) on Twitter?
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Surely some division one team ( Barnsley are you listening) will step in and sign him on loan -- even if he does go to Bradford i expect him to get an upgrade to division one in January
by the way Bradford have sold (as in £-s-d) a couple of players in the last 2 days and I expect Hughes to check the "huge" list of clubs he played for for available "ringer" loans
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Going to Bristol City is he not?
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Did you get that rumour from that WUM rumour account (@AdamWilliSniff) on Twitter?
That's the only source I've seen saying this today, and whatever that account is it definitely isn't reliable. Some very questionable stuff posted on it.
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Would be disappointing for his development if he were to go to a League Two club. I expect Norwich would want to place him at a higher end League One club unless they're wanting to offload him by virtue of a loan with a view to permanent. I'd also like to think Josh would be aiming higher too.
Anyway, isn't this just clickbait rumours?
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Only exciting player last season. If we got him back that would be a real statement. Imagine Hiwula and Dodoo weren't on peanuts either so surely money free now.
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I'd prefer we got better to be honest not that I don't rate him as I do, but I think there's players out there who could offer a little more.
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I'd prefer we got better to be honest not that I don't rate him as I do, but I think there's players out there who could offer a little more.
Let’s see if we can find them that’s down to the manager
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He'd be up there as probably one of the best players in the league if we signed him. Not sure what people want when they mention better.
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I'd prefer we got better to be honest not that I don't rate him as I do, but I think there's players out there who could offer a little more.
Let’s see if we can find them that’s down to the manager
By manager do you mean recruitment panel? I think it’s been very clear it’s not all on one person.
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I'd prefer we got better to be honest not that I don't rate him as I do, but I think there's players out there who could offer a little more.
Let’s see if we can find them that’s down to the manager
By manager do you mean recruitment panel? I think it’s been very clear it’s not all on one person.
Yes Jon
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Strange, a few glimpses of talent but in the main a one trick pony cutting inside to his right foot most teams sussed him out which is why we only saw glimpses of his talent JMHO
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He isn't the finished article by any means. Our one trick 'Copps Chop' pony did rather well as he matured.
Although Martin hasn't got the same close control as Copps (not many had) he has potential to become a very good player I think.
Mind you, I said that about Kyle Bennett but he just didn't mature.
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All too often had zero end product IMHO. Got better but not a patch on #26!
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Strange, a few glimpses of talent but in the main a one trick pony cutting inside to his right foot most teams sussed him out which is why we only saw glimpses of his talent JMHO
It's all about opinions, but I saw young, inexperienced player, in an extremely poor team with zero confidence and scrapping for survival, consistently show the bottle to try to go past his man/play the killer pass/make half a yard and get a shot away. Taking risks to try to create. I also thought his close control was on the whole excellent.
We don't yet have a creative attacking player like him for next season, and I'd love to see him back. If not him, I think we badly need a player like him. I've seen Ash Hunter mentioned, and he certainly is another who could fit the bill.
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I'd prefer we got better to be honest not that I don't rate him as I do, but I think there's players out there who could offer a little more.
Let’s see if we can find them that’s down to the manager
By manager do you mean recruitment panel? I think it’s been very clear it’s not all on one person.
Yes Jon
but doesn't the manager have the final say
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I'd prefer we got better to be honest not that I don't rate him as I do, but I think there's players out there who could offer a little more.
Let’s see if we can find them that’s down to the manager
By manager do you mean recruitment panel? I think it’s been very clear it’s not all on one person.
Yes Jon
but doesn't the manager have the final say
He could do but the player just before he signs the contract as the final say the recruitment team and manager may want said player but if the financial package and terms are not right then he won’t sign.
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As others have mentioned one of the few glimmers of creativity and excitement last season, he's just a bit lightweight for me - reminded me of Kiwomya - I flinched every time a centre half went near him, his legs were thinner than Tommy Rowe's arms! Liable to get flattened once too often in L2.
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I'd prefer we got better to be honest not that I don't rate him as I do, but I think there's players out there who could offer a little more.
Let’s see if we can find them that’s down to the manager
By manager do you mean recruitment panel? I think it’s been very clear it’s not all on one person.
Yes Jon
but doesn't the manager have the final say
Copps was asked the question in one of those recent interviews
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0cf3pcc
about 11 mins in....."its a combination thing"
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Strange, a few glimpses of talent but in the main a one trick pony cutting inside to his right foot most teams sussed him out which is why we only saw glimpses of his talent JMHO
It's all about opinions, but I saw young, inexperienced player, in an extremely poor team with zero confidence and scrapping for survival, consistently show the bottle to try to go past his man/play the killer pass/make half a yard and get a shot away. Taking risks to try to create. I also thought his close control was on the whole excellent.
We don't yet have a creative attacking player like him for next season, and I'd love to see him back. If not him, I think we badly need a player like him. I've seen Ash Hunter mentioned, and he certainly is another who could fit the bill.
I think Molineux is not too dissimilar to Martin or at least the nearest type of player we have signed.
We could do with someone with pace to play wide. Either left or right. We are not sure yet on Taylor’s fitness so we definitely could do with a wide player who can go past players.
A windy Miller or John Buckley type player. Not wishing for much am i. :zzz: Not much indeed.
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We need 3 players minimum, a left back, creative midfielder and someone with pace on the left wing as permanent signings with a couple of loans maximum
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He promised a lot but delivered very little. He was in a team that was devoid of confidence, that didn’t help him.
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He promised a lot but delivered very little. He was in a team that was devoid of confidence, that didn’t help him.
I wouldn’t say he delivered very little. Fair enough last season was a pretty low bar for attacking productivity, but Martin only played for us for half the season and finished joint 2nd top scorer, third most assists, and 2nd in terms of minutes per goal.
I think he was one of the only positives of the whole season and think he would shine if he was playing regularly in a side doing well.
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If it wasn’t for Rowe, Martin would of probably been our player of the season?
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He gave us something we didn’t have.
A league lower and a bit more experience of first team football and I think he would be outstanding.
Would be a good signing for Bradford. I hope we’ve asked the question at least.
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We need 3 players minimum, a left back, creative midfielder and someone with pace on the left wing as permanent signings with a couple of loans maximum
But like last season we extended players contract we signed players who wanted to come quick. Although two players left because they didn’t want to be here the well is drying up again. It appears to be Trialists and loans again.
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Players zee still paid by their clubs until 30 June so logically I would I expect more movement from today .
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He promised a lot but delivered very little. He was in a team that was devoid of confidence, that didn’t help him.
He was great for us in a very poor team.
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He has got to be worth a cheeky bid , would be a good investment , still only 20.
Come on board spend some of that whiteman/marquis money , I think him and molineux and a striker would fire us to promotion. And hopefully all be good enough for league one.
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How are people saying he wasn't that good! If GM picked him every week to start we'd probably have scored a few more goals and stayed up
He managed to be creative and dangerous in a team where there was no one to pass him the ball and no one for him to pass it to.
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:facepalm:i'm puzzled to what people saw last year too - he was the one shining light when he came. When he played we had a much better chance of not just creating something, but actually scoring - not one other player in the team last year gave me that hope. At 20 years old, you can tell he will be a very good player and eventually play to a very high league standar.
Try and get him either on loan or buy? (if that is even possible)
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Would love him back especially if we get a decent left back behind him
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He would tear league 2 a new arse hole, would be a statement signing like Tommy Rowe was the year we dropped down to league 2.
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It’s not unrealistic to be attempting to sign him, but defeatist if the manager said that. Nobody produced many goals or assists last season. He was one of the best players, but he didn’t produce many goals, it’s there in black and white.
He has potential to be really good this season. If he was with us hopefully he would be in a better side with us going for promotion rather than fighting to stay up.
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I would imagine Norwich will have the biggest say on his immediate future.
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Would definitely be worth asking the question, I think he has a year left on his contract. As DBR says it’s down to Norwich and if they see him as part of their plans. If they do they will look at continuing his development, which I would imagine is above our league.
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I would imagine Norwich will have the biggest say on his immediate future.
Ultimately this is the stone cold truth. It's completely out of our hands.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-boss-gives-update-on-pursuit-of-transfer-listed-norwich-city-man-3755940
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Would definitely be worth asking the question, I think he has a year left on his contract. As DBR says it’s down to Norwich and if they see him as part of their plans. If they do they will look at continuing his development, which I would imagine is above our league.
So at the moment Norwich want a fee for him so according to GMC if he’s not sold we may look at a Loan again. Otherwise it’s not feasible
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Well, that's the strongest statement yet from Norwich.
Sounds like GM is aware of higher level clubs that are interested and perhaps in a position to pay a fee.
Wouldn't surprise me if Rotherham and/or Wednesday are considering moves. I would be surprised if Martin would take a drop to League Two, even if we could muster the fee.
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Unless the fee they are looking for is extortionate, he should end up with a good L1 club. £100-200k would be a very fair price in my opinion.
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Well, that's the strongest statement yet from Norwich.
Sounds like GM is aware of higher level clubs that are interested and perhaps in a position to pay a fee.
Wouldn't surprise me if Rotherham and/or Wednesday are considering moves. I would be surprised if Martin would take a drop to League Two, even if we could muster the fee.
I agree dropping to league 2 with no guarantee of instant success he’ll not want that. Also us paying a fee for a player I don’t think we will see that again but we might get a surprise.
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It's daft if we're not willing to spend a fee when we're likely to see a return on investment.
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It's daft if we're not willing to spend a fee when we're likely to see a return on investment.
People are petrified of the business of football. TB and DB grew a business to be worth £700+ million but can’t formulate a structure to find a return on investment within football when competing for players against clubs, that in the main, are largely useless when it comes to recruitment. It really isnt that hard to identify a player that’s undervalued, structure a development plan for him, identify a sale value and then market the player.
Obviously every player won’t command a profit (not that you have to pay a fee for everyone either) but there are some absolute titters out there waiting to be cherry picked.
I’d like to know what our overall profit is on only players we paid a fee for over the last 20 years… I think they would be well into the green.
I was hoping recruit//develop//resale would be the way the new regime would look to go. With the three signings we’ve made so far, it appears not to be. If it is, there has been a sub optimal approach.
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We don’t take risks any more, we need to at times.
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Do we know how much the fee is? 50k is a no brainer, 500k is a different matter.
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Question if we are self sustainable and money we have comes from Club Doncaster then does TB put any money in now especially when it comes to transfers. Also does DB know really what it needs to bounce back decisively or is he just expecting it. Over the next weeks and months we will see how the clubs strategies work.
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I despair at the fact we rule this kind of thing out because he’d cost a fee. This is a player we could make money on. Any risk is minimised by the fact we already know him and know what he can do, because he played here on loan.
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I think our league 2 status is the main stumbling block here if he’s had interest from clubs higher up
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I despair at the fact we rule this kind of thing out because he’d cost a fee. This is a player we could make money on. Any risk is minimised by the fa t we already know him and know what he can do, because he played here on loan.
It's the easiest thing to say when you're not holding the pursestrings and you're not aware of the bigger picture.
We may already have signed a player or two with more attacking and goalscoring potential than Martin, in Miller and Molyneux, for free.
Who knows who else may be on the radar.
We have no clue what the fee is or what his wage demands would be, or whether he'd be prepared to consider dropping to League Two. We already know there are other clubs paying an interest.
Would you really want to make a spacial case for Martin? Don't we all agree we have other priorities first?
How many special cases are you going to present to the board??
We can only trust that GM and Copps have already considered all of those factors and to suggest otherwise is shortsighted really.
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I think our league 2 status is the main stumbling block here if he’s had interest from clubs higher up
You could be right but we do not attempt when it comes to paying a fee so we don’t know plus we have then to be competitive with wages which we are not good at aswell.
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I despair at the fact we rule this kind of thing out because he’d cost a fee. This is a player we could make money on. Any risk is minimised by the fa t we already know him and know what he can do, because he played here on loan.
It's the easiest thing to say when you're not holding the pursestrings and you're not aware of the bigger picture.
We may already have signed a player or two with more attacking and goalscoring potential than Martin, in Miller and Molyneux, for free.
Who knows who else may be on the radar.
We have no clue what the fee is or what his wage demands would be, or whether he'd be prepared to consider dropping to League Two. We already know there are other clubs paying an interest.
Would you really want to make a spacial case for Martin? Don't we all agree we have other priorities first?
How many special cases are you going to present to the board??
We can only trust that GM and Copps have already considered all of those factors and to suggest otherwise is shortsighted really.
All what you say could be right but the limiting factor now for Copps and GMC is the money they have left to get what ever they can. Which has not change from last year really two or three good signings then see what we can get.
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I despair at the fact we rule this kind of thing out because he’d cost a fee. This is a player we could make money on. Any risk is minimised by the fa t we already know him and know what he can do, because he played here on loan.
It's the easiest thing to say when you're not holding the pursestrings and you're not aware of the bigger picture.
We may already have signed a player or two with more attacking and goalscoring potential than Martin, in Miller and Molyneux, for free.
Who knows who else may be on the radar.
We have no clue what the fee is or what his wage demands would be, or whether he'd be prepared to consider dropping to League Two. We already know there are other clubs paying an interest.
Would you really want to make a spacial case for Martin? Don't we all agree we have other priorities first?
How many special cases are you going to present to the board??
We can only trust that GM and Copps have already considered all of those factors and to suggest otherwise is shortsighted really.
Im well aware that it’s easy to say this and that when you’re not holding the purse strings. Contrary to what you many be implying, it is possible to be both eternally grateful to (and supportive of) the owners, but frustrated at the insinuation we’d rule out bringing a top player back because he’d cost a fee. I’m allowed an opinion, and my opinion is that it appears short sighted. That doesn’t make me an ungrateful ****, because I’m not!
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Ever thought we may have someone else spotted we think is as good or better? It could be one reason not to get involved in an auction.
I liked him on the ball, but noticed players like Rowe and Clayton constantly telling him where he should be on the field to provide an outlet, quite animatedly at times, also the number of times the coaching staff were doing the same while the game was going on, so his game awareness must be a problem when not on the ball, especially to defenders behind him.
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I despair at the fact we rule this kind of thing out because he’d cost a fee. This is a player we could make money on. Any risk is minimised by the fa t we already know him and know what he can do, because he played here on loan.
It's the easiest thing to say when you're not holding the pursestrings and you're not aware of the bigger picture.
We may already have signed a player or two with more attacking and goalscoring potential than Martin, in Miller and Molyneux, for free.
Who knows who else may be on the radar.
We have no clue what the fee is or what his wage demands would be, or whether he'd be prepared to consider dropping to League Two. We already know there are other clubs paying an interest.
Would you really want to make a spacial case for Martin? Don't we all agree we have other priorities first?
How many special cases are you going to present to the board??
We can only trust that GM and Copps have already considered all of those factors and to suggest otherwise is shortsighted really.
Im well aware that it’s easy to say this and that when you’re not holding the purse strings. Contrary to what you many be implying, it is possible to be both eternally grateful to (and supportive of) the owners, but frustrated at the insinuation we’d rule out bringing a top player back because he’d cost a fee. I’m allowed an opinion, and my opinion is that it appears short sighted. That doesn’t make me an ungrateful ****, because I’m not!
Bit why do you assume it's the owners? I'm sure GM and Copps will have weighed everything up and perhaps, they don't intend making that special case for Martin.
They have to be really pragmatic about these things. If we're talking about a left sided player who can contribute goals, we already have Tommy Rowe. Perhaps, in terms of back up, it's a position they're already earmarked for a loan and would rather prioritise other positions?
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I despair at the fact we rule this kind of thing out because he’d cost a fee. This is a player we could make money on. Any risk is minimised by the fa t we already know him and know what he can do, because he played here on loan.
It's the easiest thing to say when you're not holding the pursestrings and you're not aware of the bigger picture.
We may already have signed a player or two with more attacking and goalscoring potential than Martin, in Miller and Molyneux, for free.
Who knows who else may be on the radar.
We have no clue what the fee is or what his wage demands would be, or whether he'd be prepared to consider dropping to League Two. We already know there are other clubs paying an interest.
Would you really want to make a spacial case for Martin? Don't we all agree we have other priorities first?
How many special cases are you going to present to the board??
We can only trust that GM and Copps have already considered all of those factors and to suggest otherwise is shortsighted really.
Im well aware that it’s easy to say this and that when you’re not holding the purse strings. Contrary to what you many be implying, it is possible to be both eternally grateful to (and supportive of) the owners, but frustrated at the insinuation we’d rule out bringing a top player back because he’d cost a fee. I’m allowed an opinion, and my opinion is that it appears short sighted. That doesn’t make me an ungrateful ****, because I’m not!
Bit why do you assume it's the owners? I'm sure GM and Copps will have weighed everything up and perhaps, they don't intend making that special case for Martin.
They have to be really pragmatic about these things. If we're talking about a left sided player who can contribute goals, we already have Tommy Rowe. Perhaps, in terms of back up, it's a position they're already earmarked for a loan and would rather prioritise other positions?
I’m not arguing as it’ll just go on and on until I agree that not bringing Josh Martin back is a fantastic idea and all at the club should be applauded for it. And any supporter that wants to see him back here is not worthy of the title.
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I despair at the fact we rule this kind of thing out because he’d cost a fee. This is a player we could make money on. Any risk is minimised by the fa t we already know him and know what he can do, because he played here on loan.
It's the easiest thing to say when you're not holding the pursestrings and you're not aware of the bigger picture.
We may already have signed a player or two with more attacking and goalscoring potential than Martin, in Miller and Molyneux, for free.
Who knows who else may be on the radar.
We have no clue what the fee is or what his wage demands would be, or whether he'd be prepared to consider dropping to League Two. We already know there are other clubs paying an interest.
Would you really want to make a spacial case for Martin? Don't we all agree we have other priorities first?
How many special cases are you going to present to the board??
We can only trust that GM and Copps have already considered all of those factors and to suggest otherwise is shortsighted really.
Im well aware that it’s easy to say this and that when you’re not holding the purse strings. Contrary to what you many be implying, it is possible to be both eternally grateful to (and supportive of) the owners, but frustrated at the insinuation we’d rule out bringing a top player back because he’d cost a fee. I’m allowed an opinion, and my opinion is that it appears short sighted. That doesn’t make me an ungrateful ****, because I’m not!
Bit why do you assume it's the owners? I'm sure GM and Copps will have weighed everything up and perhaps, they don't intend making that special case for Martin.
They have to be really pragmatic about these things. If we're talking about a left sided player who can contribute goals, we already have Tommy Rowe. Perhaps, in terms of back up, it's a position they're already earmarked for a loan and would rather prioritise other positions?
I’m not arguing as it’ll just go on and on until I agree that not bringing Josh Martin back is a fantastic idea and all at the club should be applauded for it. And any supporter that wants to see him back here is not worthy of the title.
It's not arguing. It's debate and putting forward different perspectives.
I like Josh Martin and his potential but If I'm in GMs shoes, I could understand why he might not be a priority that warrants paying a fee, even if he would consider coming here.
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DBR GMC says there is a fee involved so we will park our interest. Now if he not sold then we might go back for a loan. That statement doesn’t tell me that we have someone else we are not being proactive we will wait and see reactive.
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The attention and scrutiny should be on why we still don’t have a first choice left back
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Have we paid any transfer fees for any player this window? I know funds are tight, but Josh seems like the type of player we should be dipping our hand in our pocket for - assuming the transfer fee isn't ridiculous of course.
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I thought the argument for loans was described as “try before you buy”. Have I imagined that?
If it was, have we now dropped that?
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It needs to be renamed as try before they give us him for free
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Players we though worth a reasonable fee in my memory were Whiteman, Mills, Sharp maybe a couple of others. But it shows the loan to try then pay a reasonable fee gets you both a great player who enhances performance and then has resale value. We made a profit on all the above.
It'll be much rarer for us to sign a Marquis type who is let go and then we sell for 1m+
For what it's worth if we want him i'd be cheeky offer them 50k up front then a decent resale %. Norwich are a decent club so would probably rather go with that than have a young player wasting away in the reserves
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The attention and scrutiny should be on why we still don’t have a first choice left back
Yet we are trialing a player released by Sunderland that as not played an EFL league game and majority of time when played at U 23 and any cup game played left wing back. He was a winger when in youth football in Scotland. So is he our priority???
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What people are perhaps forgetting in the Martin stakes is that we got relegated.
He performed well in a poor side at a higher level than we are at now. There will be League One teams willing to offer a six-figure fee for him if he's available for transfer, like it or not we will not likely have a budget which stretches to spending £100-250k on a single player.
If he is instead loaned out, Norwich have no reason to loan him to League Two. He has shown he can perform at a higher level and if they want to see one more season of his development before letting him go, it makes sense to send him to a club in League One for the full campaign.
We signed Whiteman after a loan as a top half League One side. Mills and Sharp as an upwardly mobile Championship team. Speculating to accumulate is a sound strategy in that sense but it is much harder to do when you drop to the bottom tier.
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IF we have other loans already lined up, then I wonder if any of them are match ready? We now know Martin is, because we got him up to speed! To simply dismiss this opportunity is somewhat foolhardy, when you think in terms of the possible future returns from a player, with further development, who could, quite possibly, make us a handsome profit which could be re-invested into the playing budget.
According to many on here, we were waiting until after the end of June and then we’d see movement. Alas, it seems we have a constipated transfer policy.
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If we are going to spend a fee on anyone I would be prioritising the defence- I share others concerns that we are currently nowhere near good enough in that department and it will prevent us having a successful season
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The attention and scrutiny should be on why we still don’t have a first choice left back
Yet we are trialing a player released by Sunderland that as not played an EFL league game and majority of time when played at U 23 and any cup game played left wing back. He was a winger when in youth football in Scotland. So is he our priority???
Especially in the wake of the Anderson uncertainty we need experience in actual defending. This kid could be a good prospect, who knows? But it would be a huge gamble and unlikely to come off if he was our only option.
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What people are perhaps forgetting in the Martin stakes is that we got relegated.
He performed well in a poor side at a higher level than we are at now. There will be League One teams willing to offer a six-figure fee for him if he's available for transfer, like it or not we will not likely have a budget which stretches to spending £100-250k on a single player.
If he is instead loaned out, Norwich have no reason to loan him to League Two. He has shown he can perform at a higher level and if they want to see one more season of his development before letting him go, it makes sense to send him to a club in League One for the full campaign.
We signed Whiteman after a loan as a top half League One side. Mills and Sharp as an upwardly mobile Championship team. Speculating to accumulate is a sound strategy in that sense but it is much harder to do when you drop to the bottom tier.
Given Norwich will have parachute payments, if they are bothered to ask a fee I would be surprised if it would be less than say 500k. Difficult to know or be critical imho.
That could be spent on 4 or 5 other players at our level, and I for one am worried about numbers in our squad with our recent record on injuries.
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I have a different concern .Copps is clearly proud of being Sporting Director of a club that is self sustainable ( Club Doncaster). That being so is he likely to step outside that very paradigm to ask the Board to invest further money for transfer fees.If not then I would not expect any proactive investment suggestions from DB .
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I have a different concern .Copps is clearly proud of being Sporting Director of a club that is self sustainable ( Club Doncaster). That being so is he likely to step outside that very paradigm to ask the Board to invest further money for transfer fees.If not then I would not expect any proactive investment suggestions from DB .
Are you implying that’s why Copps was given the job by Blunt?
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I despair at the fact we rule this kind of thing out because he’d cost a fee. This is a player we could make money on. Any risk is minimised by the fa t we already know him and know what he can do, because he played here on loan.
It's the easiest thing to say when you're not holding the pursestrings and you're not aware of the bigger picture.
We may already have signed a player or two with more attacking and goalscoring potential than Martin, in Miller and Molyneux, for free.
Who knows who else may be on the radar.
We have no clue what the fee is or what his wage demands would be, or whether he'd be prepared to consider dropping to League Two. We already know there are other clubs paying an interest.
Would you really want to make a spacial case for Martin? Don't we all agree we have other priorities first?
How many special cases are you going to present to the board??
We can only trust that GM and Copps have already considered all of those factors and to suggest otherwise is shortsighted really.
Them two will have more goalscoring potential, but he's a creative player first and foremost, the #1 thing we lacked last season was creativity and if we go into next season without creativity then we'll not be anywhere near top 3 and will very unlikely get top 7. Martin isn't a striker and will easily fit into a team with both Molyneux and Miller, and even Taylor if you want to play a 4-2-3-1 with Molyneux as the second striker.
Martin probably has potential to play in the Championship if he doesn't have any major injuries.
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I don’t know why there’s a debate about whether GM would like to sign Martin, he’s made it clear that he would and that paying a fee is the stumbling block.
Now I take the point that if it’s £500k that’s too much for us to shell out, but I very much doubt it’s anywhere near that.
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I don’t know why there’s a debate about whether GM would like to sign Martin, he’s made it clear that he would and that paying a fee is the stumbling block.
Now I take the point that if it’s £500k that’s too much for us to shell out, but I very much doubt it’s anywhere near that.
Yeah, if it's under £250K with a sell-on then we should consider it.
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I was not implying anything about DB but about Copps .It may be that he has had the financial parameters clearly set out for him but most important is that he is proud that’s the club can break even on attendances supplemented by some considerable revenue generated by Club Doncaster .
I believe that it is a long time since the owners paid a transfer fee but for many years they have stepped in to clear losses and or debt .
In future the footballing management’s only way of increasing their budget is by building a successful team that in turn improves attendances .
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Unpopular opinion. Didn’t actually produce that much, albeit in a dire team. If we are talking 100k for instance we can probably put that to better use elsewhere. We’ve got in wide positions Taylor, Agard, Molyneux, Rowe and whoever we bring in on loan. Do we really need another one?
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I’m with CBCB on this, yes he has potential but spent more time running across the pitch than attacking (albeit in a dire team)
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Martin has a natural ability to create time on the ball, and has huge potential to get goals and assists in the right set up. Of course he’s not the finished article - that’s the whole point and this is a player we can develop having already assessed his fit within the club. Our own opinions are somewhat immaterial, the fact is the manager likes him and listening to Copps on the commentary so does he.
If the fee is reasonable (and I suspect it ought to be) then this comes down to how much the club want to push for it. Having already had him in the building, we know what we’re getting. Do we want to be the beneficiary from his development? Or have we done our bit and we’ll stand aside and let someone else profit from that.
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Got to spend simple as that
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Martin’s ball carrying ability is top draw. Just by that he’d create an extra 2/3 chances a game just by being able to carry the ball so well up the pitch.
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Unpopular opinion. Didn’t actually produce that much, albeit in a dire team. If we are talking 100k for instance we can probably put that to better use elsewhere. We’ve got in wide positions Taylor, Agard, Molyneux, Rowe and whoever we bring in on loan. Do we really need another one?
Exactly. This is the point I'm also making. Perhaps GM and Copps are capable of weighing things up for themselves and for the moment paying a fee for Josh Martin is not a priority when we have his position covered but are yet to fill others.
Yes, he's a good player and has good potential but I would not be considering this before I've got my other positions sorted.
Perhaps those who assume it's the board who are preventing this, rather than any other factors, should put the question to GM/Copps/GB at the Supporters Club AGM.
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Perhaps perhaps is the new buzz word.
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Perhaps we should have had a left back signed already!
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Personally I'm more concerned that we look like we will be starting the season without any fit full backs. Hopefully in the attacking areas we've someone better and cheaper than Martin lined up.
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Even Man Utd signed a left back
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Personally I'm more concerned that we look like we will be starting the season without any fit full backs. Hopefully in the attacking areas we've someone better and cheaper than Martin lined up.
The season doesn't start for another 25 days. There is no chance we don't sign a left back before then.
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Agree with the above, but disagree with Funk, not a chance we will have better than Martin!
He will have a good career at a decent level, probably championship level.
Yes he is a bit of a gamble, but given we have had him for a few months it should be a calculated gamble, and the closest thing we have to a reasonable sell on- barring seaman and i have no idea on the new lads( I have heard they also have big potential!!!)
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Im really n ot sure he is a gamble. Thats the point of a loan in some cases no? To prove they’re good enough. He proved he is good enough for L1. No gamble at all.
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I think you would be talking about a hundred and fifty grand for him. Less if the sell on fee was bigger in their favour.
Along with being self sustainable we must gamble on a player or two, just to add the chance of making a profit, on a player in the future.
Seaman has a lot of potential if we can get him playing regularly. Olowu ,Faulkner, Griffiths, all have potential to improve to be sold at a profit.
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Personally I'm more concerned that we look like we will be starting the season without any fit full backs. Hopefully in the attacking areas we've someone better and cheaper than Martin lined up.
The season doesn't start for another 25 days. There is no chance we don't sign a left back before then.
What like there was no way we were going to start last season without a striker.
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Personally I'm more concerned that we look like we will be starting the season without any fit full backs. Hopefully in the attacking areas we've someone better and cheaper than Martin lined up.
The season doesn't start for another 25 days. There is no chance we don't sign a left back before then.
But will we sign a good defensive left back in 24 and half days or will we sign the Trialist.
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I think you would be talking about a hundred and fifty grand for him. Less if the sell on fee was bigger in their favour.
Along with being self sustainable we must gamble on a player or two, just to add the chance of making a profit, on a player in the future.
Seaman has a lot of potential if we can get him playing regularly. Olowu ,Faulkner, Griffiths, all have potential to improve to be sold at a profit.
IF and it's a big IF we could sign Josh Martin for £150k for me it's a no brainier.
If we cannot afford to pay £150k for a good player then we are stuffed and we can resign ourselves to not playing any higher than we are currently at.
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Not entirely beyond possible that Rowe becomes our left back. I’d probably drop a tenner on that at long odds to be the end result.
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Not entirely beyond possible that Rowe becomes our left back. I’d probably drop a tenner on that at long odds to be the end result.
If that’s the case then the recruitment team including GMC and Copps will have got it wrong. We wait and see.
I don’t want us to pay a fee we can’t afford for Josh Martin if it means we can’t get a good left back. But we are in July will good players be available on free or do we loan a young inexperienced left back. When we announced the two recent signings it was said we needed a left back yet we still not signed one and have an inexperienced one on trial.
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The club will do it as cheap as possible, so I wouldn’t be surprised at us going into the season with Rowe as left back. I think we need a specialist player in as many positions as possible.
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As I understand it the quotes attributed in the article are more than a couple of weeks old and it’s been a changing situation since. Not dead, and not a case of us not wanting him, but one of the biggest challenges would be persuading JM to drop into league 2.
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The club will do it as cheap as possible, so I wouldn’t be surprised at us going into the season with Rowe as left back. I think we need a specialist player in as many positions as possible.
Hope not ... that would be a waste imho
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Personally I'm more concerned that we look like we will be starting the season without any fit full backs. Hopefully in the attacking areas we've someone better and cheaper than Martin lined up.
The season doesn't start for another 25 days. There is no chance we don't sign a left back before then.
What like there was no way we were going to start last season without a striker.
Thing is, we did have a striker. It was Cukur, and an injured Fej, but we did have a striker. Right now we don't have a recognised left back, since Rowe has been restored to midfield.
We will probably sign Dunne but I suspect we'll also be trying to bring another left-back in.
My point really was that the season is a shade under 4 weeks from starting. There's loads of time to sign players and I think some of the hysteria building up in fans the last few days is wholly unnecessary at this stage.
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Personally I'm more concerned that we look like we will be starting the season without any fit full backs. Hopefully in the attacking areas we've someone better and cheaper than Martin lined up.
I agree re the full backs, however if you can find someone better attacking than Josh Martin & cheaper you really should have a job at the club.
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Alias will we sign a left back from a free agent we have one of them on trial. Will pay a fee for a left back . Will we loan a left back if it’s a young untried at league football then what’s the point. I believe we will sign Dunne and have either Olowu or Rowe as back up. That will be the wrong decision imo.
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I agree that if we only sign Dunne then it's a mistake on the same scale as leaving ourselves short in a couple of areas last summer.
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As I understand it the quotes attributed in the article are more than a couple of weeks old and it’s been a changing situation since. Not dead, and not a case of us not wanting him, but one of the biggest challenges would be persuading JM to drop into league 2.
That's exactly right Jonathon, the issue isn't a transfer fee.
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Am sure our management team can walk and chew gum at the same time, but you would hope our efforts are primarily on signing a left back, striker, defensive midfielder and if Tom is going to be out again for several months, a central defensive leader with the ability to defend.
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Time to make a call to Mr Butler
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Time to make a call to Mr Butler
Stan?
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In talks with martin
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Until he’s signed or loaned, he’s not our player.
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If this happens it is probably one of the best signings we have made in years - probably as good as Whiteman. Sooo much potential.
I’m getting excited to see a fresh start :rtid:
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In talks with martin
Where’s this come from?
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Should this now be moved to Rumour Mill?
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To be fair I think we’ve been in talks with him since January and that’s continued into the summer. It still doesn’t mean we can persuade him to play in league 2. But never give up hope.
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Would be an awesome signing if he moves forward rather than across the pitch - could have been that nobody moved forcing him to run sideways
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Too good to be true IMO.
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It's probably a case of him waiting to see if anyone higher up will take him on. If he's outright not willing to come there's no point talking to him at all. So if it's going to happen it'll be towards the end of the window i'd guess
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Most likely. He's bound to want a need a fall back position.
We know there are some parasites around who feed off other clubs groundwork but as said, he will want to try for as high as he can.
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Alternatively - come to Donny, we’ll make you feel at home, be mentored by #26, set the league alight and the world is your oyster
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I haven't looked since this morning, but the account that said we are "in talks" is one of those rubbish "transfer rumours" Twitter pages, it even mentions snowflakes in its bio...
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No this came from a mate who is usually on the ball,I personally can't see it happening for the reasons already stated,but we'll see.
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It’s probably a deflection tactic to get people’s minds off the fact that it seems we are unable to sign a recognised left back.
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It’s probably a deflection tactic to get people’s minds off the fact that it seems we are unable to sign a recognised left back.
More made up nonsense. Do you ever give up?
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It's the hope that kills. Amazing if we did sign him and a real morale booster for the fans. He'd be the best player in the league. Just can't see it happening as surely league 1 clubs aren't blind
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It's the hope that kills. Amazing if we did sign him and a real morale booster for the fans. He'd be the best player in the league. Just can't see it happening as surely league 1 clubs aren't blind
Well he couldn’t get in the MK Dons team before he came here
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Am I right in thinking that he has 1 year left on his contract?
If we could loan him for a year, and he does well and we get promoted we would have a good chance of signing him on a free. If we didn’t get promoted, he could take on a better option higher up.
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It's the hope that kills. Amazing if we did sign him and a real morale booster for the fans. He'd be the best player in the league. Just can't see it happening as surely league 1 clubs aren't blind
Well he couldn’t get in the MK Dons team before he came here
Tbf how they played the only position he fit into was covered by Twine.
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I suggest you look CAREFULLY at Silent Majority’s post!
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Released by Portsmouth.
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Interesting. Worth a look perhaps?
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Said when he was with us he needed a season in L2 playing regularly to find himself a bit. Loads of ability but been at two clubs that are operating half a rung higher than he is at. Needs to kick start his career somewhere properly.
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Hard to gauge how good he is, he was our brightest attacker at the time but it was a pretty low bar and he did tend to have one trick that you expected defences to work out.
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Too similar to Kyle Hurst for me, who I prefer I think. A bit lightweight and flashy and not so great working backwards. If we lost Moly would be another wide option though.
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Too similar to Kyle Hurst for me, who I prefer I think. A bit lightweight and flashy and not so great working backwards. If we lost Moly would be another wide option though.
I’m becoming increasingly resigned to losing Molyneux if we don’t go up.
He’s vastly improved and has got a bit of everything to his game now. I seem to remember someone on here said they’d heard some L1 scouts talking about him at a home game?
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Josh Martin played a total of 110 minutes this season spread over 8 matches, including a 66 minute appearance . Not good enough move on
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Does Ronnie Moore still work for Rotherham?
Noticed he was at a recent game (Walsall I think) presumably scouting.
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Not sure of his injury record recently, but I'd fancy Grant & Cliff to get a tune out of him if fit.
He could be our next Haks, unless Haks stays of course.
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He hasn’t been injured just playing for 5 - 10 minutes every so often