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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: donnyguy on July 13, 2022, 09:43:38 am
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Big announcement coming at 11am. Lots of rumours either closing or peel selling. But could be anything I guess
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We flew from there last week and it would be a crying shame . Used exec lounge and was through security in minutes. Landed back at330 am and was in house two hours later all sorted.
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https://flydsa.co.uk/latest-news/strategic-review-announcement
it looks bleak now
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Rename it Doncaster City Airport so people know where it actually is! ;)
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Build a train stop at the terminal and it'll be a lot easier for people not locally to get to it.
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That's a council cash cow gone.
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Would Ryanair be interested in a new hub? Obviously O'leary would want a financially advantageous deal.
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Is it part of a bigger picture and the return of private transport being only within the reach of the wealthy, in the name of cutting pollution and saving the world.
Don't forget the bastion of the working man John Prescott and his plan to have one lane exclusively for executives on the motor ways in and out of London.
Covid curtailed travel for the masses, from my own experiences motoring became a pleasure and easy, going through the centre of Leeds a breeze, Bradford the same, relaxing motorway traffic with only heavy goods vehicles about, flying abroad, a few extra pieces of paper showing vaccinations, but no kids flying about its a breeze.
Just like the 1920s when only the right sort of people had private transport, how the good and mighty must have loved it.
Is the answer make it expensive and exclusive?
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It is ideally situated to be as successful for freight business as my local airport in Liege I have for over a year passed on news and ideas implemented over here to Doncaster via the Mayor( ess) .It requires lots of work negotiating with not only carriers but trading channels like Amazon and especially Alibaba .Yes there is a crisis of passenger travel due to covid and fuel prices but Liege has developed tens of thousands of local jobs with the same economic environment as Donny .
https://www.liegeairport.com/flexport/en/
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Couldn't even get a seat in the terminal at the weekend so can't blame the lack of demand. Perhaps management focussed on an airport rather than the land would help. Hopefully someone else buys it as it's great. You only have to see the poor experience the bigger airports offer to know it's needed.
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Great shame this would be if it does close.
When you look at this rationally it was always going to be a hard sell after they tried but couldn't attract other operators back in the period up to 2014. When you factor that into the the issue that you have 3 larger airports all within approx 1 hours drive from here then you have a very big job on your hands to make an impression.
The freight side never really developed as much as you thought it would, this along with the economic down turn after the pandemic will have stripped the coffers fro the management group.
Shame, always been great for us as its less than 10 mins away and always been handy for a quick 2 hour flight to somewhere warm without having to spend all day getting there and in and out of the place.
Hope they can sell to someone with more ambition to turn the place into the success it should be.
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The catchment area alone and good transport links suggests logistically it's worthy of a commercial airport plus, it would relieve pressure off Leeds Bradford and East mids, so somewhere in between, we're not hearing the full SP why it's not 'commercially viable'
It would be a travesty if it's allowed to close.
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Would Ryanair be interested in a new hub? Obviously O'leary would want a financially advantageous deal.
It could be their new Liverpool connection :lol:
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Doncaster council shouldn't be wasting any money trying to keep it open. (Jmo)
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This is shocking news.It will be interesting to see the government’s response, as this is not in line with their ‘levelling up’ policy. This airport is ideal for expansion, not closure.
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Peel have a colossal presence in Land and it was a win win for them to "bankroll" DSA
They got the land around to develop and money I take it from owning the Airport . However if / when the latter went t**s up or they deemed it wasn't viable they then have the whole Airport site to develop
They own swathes of land alongside Manchester Ship Canal maybe the Canal itself and have developed lots of things you will know of already around they Salford Quays , Media Centre , Trafford Centre.
They won't give a seconds thought to DSA going and no incentive to keep it going.
https://www.peel.co.uk/investments/real-estate/land-and-property/ (https://www.peel.co.uk/investments/real-estate/land-and-property/)
Click on link at bottom of page to see their tentacles
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Good job we've got a strong, stable government to make sure the leveling up policy is upheld
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Yeah ... It is ... See what the local MP has to say
Govt statement ... Hope Peel have a think and come to the right decision (translation not really needed) :lol:
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I’m really surprised at this. I always thought it was a great airport to travel from. I was commuting every week to N Ireland and it was so convenient
Free parking at the Parrots Corner park and ride and a cheap bus to the airport.
I thought it was also a regular location for aircraft maintenance etc due to its runway length
It will be a real shame for the local economy if it closes
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It’s bonkers that Manchester airport is under such pressure, yet here is a central location which can handle much more than it is.
If it closes it puts much more pressure on those remaining airports.
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Good point normal
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Doncaster council shouldn't be wasting any money trying to keep it open. (Jmo)
When i read this statement I thought about the Stadium "formerly known as the Keepmoat" and smiled :scarf:
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I’m really surprised at this. I always thought it was a great airport to travel from. I was commuting every week to N Ireland and it was so convenient
Free parking at the Parrots Corner park and ride and a cheap bus to the airport.
I thought it was also a regular location for aircraft maintenance etc due to its runway length
It will be a real shame for the local economy if it closes
It will be extremely bad if it goes to the wall now after "we" have slugged it out this far
I suppose economically it loses customers because of the premium attached for using DSA rather than say Manchester. A family of 4 will opt for MAN almost everytime maybe even with fuel prices for the car sky rocketing .
However , (no s**t Sherlock) , if the Airport Airlines etc subsidise that amount to a great degree they come to a point where it isn't worth them providing those services
as they are not charities
Just a pity there cannot be a takeover by MAG who have MAN East Mids & Stansted.
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DW makes a great point you pay a premium at DSA in an area that's not particularly wealthy, you'd think it would be the other way round. For us it's an easy choice we are 10 mins away and that 2-300 quid isn't the end of the world as we save it in travel, parking, overnight hotel etc. But it won't attract those from further afield who still require that.
I'll be gutted if it goes. Flown 3 times from there and bar it being really busy last Saturday to get food it's stress free. The other airports I've flown From this year have had issues, LBA being the worst albeit none terrible. Dsa really had none.
I've had an email about my December holiday saying not to worry and I'm assuming they'd just move us if the worst happens.
What it needs is someone to take it on and invest but I don't see peel allowing that. What we don't need is more bloody warehouses. The ones we are building here remain empty. For me it's a test for government and no doubt peel have picked now to challenge that knowing the political environment.
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Doncaster Council could just deny planning for anything they want to build on the site
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So the road network has been vastly improved to the airport, ideal for logistics companies/warehousing making the Peel Holding land very attractive. One might wonder if it’s been a long term plan
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Doncaster Council could just deny planning for anything they want to build on the site
Think we've been down this road before, Doncaster council could deny planning permission, The developer would just take it to appeal, and win.
Result, massive field of empty box's.
Criminal. It would not surprise me if Peel Holdings original strategy did not envisage some sort of crisis at the airport site that rendered it un viable, they are then in A1 position to redevelop the whole site, job done.
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Beat me to it RD.
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So the road network has been vastly improved to the airport, ideal for logistics companies/warehousing making the Peel Holding land very attractive. One might wonder if it’s been a long term plan
My thoughts too. Think the Council and all those naive/barmy FLY (Finningley Local say Yes) campaigners have been well and truly had here.
Thanks for the destruction of the lovely green countryside around southern Donny guys - been really worth it for all those minimum wage/zero hour contract warehouse jobs you've brought us.
Thank goodness no additional tax payers money has been wasted on a white elephant airport railway branch and station as has been regularly mooted.
And if Peel are angling for more public money to subsidise their loss making 3rd rate venture (on which they can continue to reap greater rewards on their land holdings in the vicinity at the expense of our environment and quality of life) I hope, but very much doubt, the penny has dropped with Donny Council and they tell them where to go.
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There's a similarity here to the history of Teeside Airport Inc Peels ownership and takeover by the combined local authorities and Stobart Airport Services.
This maybe the way forward
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teesside_International_Airport
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Who is to blame for WIzz air pulling out, themselves or DSA?
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So the road network has been vastly improved to the airport, ideal for logistics companies/warehousing making the Peel Holding land very attractive. One might wonder if it’s been a long term plan
They have history! according to an interview on Radio Sheffield with the Mayor of Teeside they deliberately ran Teeside Airport down and submitted plans to turn it into a housing estate After the local authorities took control and started talking to airlines it seems the airlines wanted to increase flights and Peel refused
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As far as I know every report I have seen and read say Wizz Air have pulled out of DSA ... but ... what I think is the case is they no longer use DSA as a Base.
There is a big difference. They are still flying in and out of DSA but they have halved their Flights (roughly) and moved the Planes to Luton and offered Pilots First Officers relocation. As I understand it the Flight crews and other Staff have not been offered such a move
This took place on June 10th I believe and the Wizz flights still pour in and out but Wizz are not "based" here any more
Edit to add a bit of the truth / facts
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/116600-wizz-air-uk-closes-doncastersheffield-base
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That's what I'd read Wolfie, that Wizz were blaming DSA, who knows what to believe, Peel does appear to have form.
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Yes my earlier post depicts what they are like Corporate wise.
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Most airports have decent transport infrastructure ideal to build on !
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It is easily sorted then by Doncaster Council, make it known to Peel Holdings that all planning permissions not appertaining to an improvement to the airport will be refused, no private housing or commercial planning will be considered as that area is designated for improvement to the airport only in the planning structure.
Then tell any planning authorities and council members they will be monitored for any brown envelope wrong doings.
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It is easily sorted then by Doncaster Council, make it known to Peel Holdings that all planning permissions not appertaining to an improvement to the airport will be refused, no private housing or commercial planning will be considered as that area is designated for improvement to the airport only in the planning structure.
Then tell any planning authorities and council members they will be monitored for any brown envelope wrong doings.
That is much too sensible an idea matey.
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If the combined authorities and business stakeholders follow Teesides model with a specific airport operator brought in then, every ounce of effort is put in to the success of the airport and the infrastructure and businesses around it, including the freight operations etc, rather than just maximising profit from a property portfolio.
We have great basic infrastructure to become a proper integrated transport hub with road, rail and air connections.that can benefit the whole area, not just Doncaster.
Ryanair pulled out of Teeside but have since gone back in so anythings possible if all interested parties work together rather than trying to screw every penny out of each other.
Of course, it isn't simple but there's a great opportunity to be had before it's lost forever.
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Ryanair pulled out because landing fees are too high, Easyjet pulled out for the same reason, Tui will probably get preferential treatment. Has anyone ever wondered why DSA gets very few diverts? The landing fee’s, thats why! Airlines would sooner circle round EMA, LBA and MAN waiting to land while DSA has no traffic
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A bit more positive:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-62179065
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Shortfall in passenger numbers because they’ve put off airlines from using it, again can then be used to justify their closure plan
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OLIVER COPPARD
South Yorkshire Mayor. Search his Twitter out and he has done a brilliant string of tweets about 30 highlighting everything past present and future
Worth a read
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at some time if the future Putin will be out of the way can anyone see any mileage in
if a decision is made to close airport
it is mothaballed or whatever ?? even bought ???? by the government to be used to fly out "stuff" when Ukraine is rebuilt ?
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This maybe the crucial part of that article on BBC
"We will be speaking directly to the group's board and senior leadership team as a matter of urgency and we are committed to working with them to ensure the future of DSA, or finding an alternative private sector operator who can unlock its potential."
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The loan stalled due to Peel refusing to show the council the accounts
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/doncaster-sheffield-airport-ps20m-loan-to-owner-stalled-after-request-to-see-its-books-3770865
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It is easily sorted then by Doncaster Council, make it known to Peel Holdings that all planning permissions not appertaining to an improvement to the airport will be refused, no private housing or commercial planning will be considered as that area is designated for improvement to the airport only in the planning structure.
Then tell any planning authorities and council members they will be monitored for any brown envelope wrong doings.
Except councils can't do that, because the planning permission process is a legal one, not a political decision.
And there's the problem with common sense answers. The common ones usually aren't very sensible.
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And would be over ridden by Central Govt
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.... no doubt a la Jenrick and others.
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Just read online that Peel are saying under no circumstances other than a Council takeover will the Airport stay open
In fact they have given the end of October as their final date for last flight unless that happens
https://www.headforpoints.com/2022/07/13/doncaster-sheffield-airport-is-to-permanently-close/
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Wolfie, that outcome would be a massive blow to the area and probably increase the unemployed numbers too.
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Peel may be playing brinkmanship or "playing their hand " but unfortunately but it's their business (i.e. what they do) after all and they will come out "ahead" whatever happens.
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So much for a consultation process.
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So much for a consultation process.
They don’t want to consult, they have played the long game here, had the link road built with other peoples money, had the infrastructure built around the airport with other peoples money, had land given them, had numerous grants, kept landing fees high to discourage airlines from using it, then come out with its not making money, so they are going to put warehousing on the site!
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Spot on Filo.
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It’s bonkers that Manchester airport is under such pressure, yet here is a central location which can handle much more than it is.
If it closes it puts much more pressure on those remaining airports.
And Leeds Bradford is after approval for another runway. It's madness.
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I flew back on Saturday to Doncaster. What surprised me was how many of the passengers were not local (including a family who'd travelled from Scotland). The myth people won't use it is just that. It has pretty much everything it needs to be successful bar owners willing to do so especially compared to the inappropriately located Leeds Bradford.
I wonder if anyone will genuinely want to take it on, if so there's a lot of mileage in political pressure on peel. For me it's a big test of the government's foresight and if they truly want an integrated transport plan and levelling up in the north. We don't need more warehouse space we've enough of that already.
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If Peel get a deal, they'll not be bothered whether the airport stays open or not.
The Teeside situation has set a precedent and a full takeover maybe the only option.
If it shows Teeside, with a 75% public stake can work, eventhough it maybe a huge liability to take on, it maybe worth it in the long run.
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Maybe the running of airports should be nationalised so they can be part of a coherent, national transport strategy (& linked in to climate change objectives).
The current strategy seems to be to push all long-haul/business passengers through Heathrow, Manchester and, to a lesser extent, Gatwick and Birmingham meaning that Heathrow is continually trying to expand when there is excess capacity at regional airports.
Wouldn't it be possible for these regional airports to expand their long-haul offering to take the strain off Heathrow etc, or running flights to other established hubs such as Amsterdam, Paris, Frankfurt?
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If this heatwave isn't enough to convince you we need more urgent action on climate change, nothing will.
A growing aviation industry isn't going to help us meet targets that aren't rigorous enough anyway.
That said I think Mutley is right, expanding Heathrow would be madness, in the short term pushing more flights out to regional airports would make more sense.
Ultimately though, I think we will have to get used to the idea of flying a lot less. Which won't be good news for any airport.
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The Airport has major benefits for the region , it would be great if it were possible to get rid of Peel
They saw DSA as a land grab opportunity not an Airport, who actually owns the 800 Acres do we know?
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Remember they did this around 2010/2012?? Sold all 3 airports to Vancouver Air Services. Right pulled their pants down the debt was lost, and they bought them back at a knockdown rate 3yrs later!!!! I was working there then.
Also know the wizz business is so so coveted by Manchester as it's a dream to airport operators (all year round full planes) had to fight off huge pressure from them to keep wizz! Don't work there now, I defected to Newquay airport 6years ago so not up on why it went sour with wizz but suspect someone let their eye off the ball with new growth and didn't treat wizz correctly.
I also agree there's a contraction coming in aviation just didn't think it would ever be Donny!!! But think Exeter will go and poss Southend?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-62228508
The last thing that I want to see is for DSRH Airport to be closed down…but I’m not sure that nationalising it is the best solution. Mind you, even Grant Shapps, the Transport Secretary, seems to be in favour…so what do I know, e?!
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Don't forget Shapps has form (lots of form) for lying.
Pretended to be several different people Michael Green , Sebastian Fox and Corrine Stockbridge plus others to hide the fact that he had 2 jobs when it was TOTALLY against the rules to do it if you were an MP .
He also intervened in a By Election near him pretending to be a Lib Dem candidate and trying his best to blow it for them. Thick lying git was traced as he had signed in on his own Laptop
He has altered his Wikipedia entry to amend lots of bits about him including GCE results etc
So permit me to say I would never believe a single word he ever utters
Just Google Shapps controversies if you want the full list ... There is much more and the Michael Green thing is unbelievable given he is in Govt still
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A weird universe whereby the Tories want local government to takeover and the labour mayor isn't keen.
Surprisingly many airports are part of fully publicly owned. I tend to think infrastructure should be publicly owned but not the services within them. Airports fall in that category. It should not be allowed to fail.
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I think you have to look at DSA in a National perspective,A spur of the East Coast mainline would cost Peanuts in comparison to a Third runway at Heathrow, and it would be 70 minutes by train from Kings Cross.
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Southend are offering to host all the flights that Heathrow etc are cancelling, that’s using their initiative and chasing business, maybe they want to be successful
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I think you have to look at DSA in a National perspective,A spur of the East Coast mainline would cost Peanuts in comparison to a Third runway at Heathrow, and it would be 70 minutes by train from Kings Cross.
The Trans Pennine Route has just had a wad of money thrown at it so DSA could lessen the burden on Manchester too
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Can't we do joined up transport like the Netherlands.
Ride bikes walk or take trams or buses to a main line Train Station.
Journey between Amsterdam and Rotterdam every 15 minutes.
Plan a journey by Train up to a year in advance. The times will be correct as I have hardly ever noticed a late
Train in my many years of going there
Go from A to B via C and you get off at B . Both Platforms are listed and they are deliberately close together ( not like Donny arrive on 1 and you have 10 minutes to make Platform 8 with a Case or a person in a Wheelchair for example) and so you might come in on 2 and your next train may be from 3.
A year in advance and it works. Hope Dutch uncle doesn't think I have too much of a rosy outlook on the transport there (as he was) but I can barely fault my experiences
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I agree the infrastructure is great, nice and clean, in a modern and ordered society(mostly)
The only issue is the Dutch themselves, just like the Germans but with a slightly more palatable language.
I've never met a more contrarian people, pleasant, friendly, easy to get on with, then next the most obnoxious and arrogant people you are ever likely to meet (outside of Germany)
Very strange these Europeans(the northern ones)
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I agree the infrastructure is great, nice and clean, in a modern and ordered society(mostly)
The only issue is the Dutch themselves, just like the Germans but with a slightly more palatable language.
I've never met a more contrarian people, pleasant, friendly, easy to get on with, then next the most obnoxious and arrogant people you are ever likely to meet (outside of Germany)
Very strange these Europeans(the northern ones)
They’re basically Yorkshiremen:)
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I want the airport to stay open and continue but this crowd funding that starts on the 1st of August I hope fails, as they want to rename the airport after Captain Sir Tom Moore.
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They could call it Sheffield Airport for me as long as it sticks around
Why would they want to call it after him though ? Yorkshireman but born Keighley I thought
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Sounds a little more hopeful. Tweets from Donny major
Statement with @olivercoppard
@MyDoncaster & @SouthYorksMCA met again today with reps from Peel to discuss the future of @DSA_Airport which was positive & productive. All parties are approaching this with urgency & commitment & will hold further discussions over the coming days.
Workable options will be developed at pace for the airport operations & site that benefit the wider region.
In the meantime there is a lot of work to be done to consider the options with scrutiny & in detail. We are giving our officers the time & space to work with Peel on this
@MyDoncaster, @SouthYorksMayor @olivercoppard & @SouthYorksMCA along with all 3 Doncaster MP’s are united in wanting to ensure the airport remains open. All options are on the table to secure both the short and long-term future of @DSA_Airport.
#SaveDSA
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I don't know much about this but Nick Fletcher is saying Oliver Coppard has devolved powers and the money at his disposal, and he doesn't need the Government to act, yet Coppard keeps saying we need help from Government.
Is Coppard all talk and just saying what people want to hear but not doing his all.
Also Whittaker won't take part in the meetings.
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I don't know much about this but Nick Fletcher is saying Oliver Coppard has devolved powers and the money at his disposal, and he doesn't need the Government to act, yet Coppard keeps saying we need help from Government.
Is Coppard all talk and just saying what people want to hear but not doing his all.
Also Whittaker won't take part in the meetings.
I think its the other way around Fletcher is all talk, and Photo op, and is just defending his Govt instead of fighting for his constituents
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I don't know much about this but Nick Fletcher is saying Oliver Coppard has devolved powers and the money at his disposal, and he doesn't need the Government to act, yet Coppard keeps saying we need help from Government.
Is Coppard all talk and just saying what people want to hear but not doing his all.
Also Whittaker won't take part in the meetings.
I think its the other way around Fletcher is all talk, and Photo op, and is just defending his Govt instead of fighting for his constituents
Yes he is really vociferous on FB must make a post every day
And thousands of words, unlike Dame Rosie, 2 posts total of less than 100 words!
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To be fair Ed Milliband has been fairly Active on FF.maybe Dame Rosie doesn't do FB.
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Wolfie and others that have mentioned Peel Group ...........
''Who owns the country? The secretive companies hoarding England's land'' (4/2019)
''Despite owning 15,000 hectares (37,000 acres) of land, managing a property portfolio worth £2.3bn and having control over huge swaths of central Manchester and Liverpool, very few people have heard of a company named Peel Holdings. It owns the Manchester Ship Canal. It built the Trafford Centre shopping complex and, more recently, sold it in the largest single property acquisition in Britain’s history. It was the developer behind the MediaCityUK site in Salford, to which the BBC and ITV have relocated many of their operations in recent years. Airports, fracking, retail – the list of Peel business interests stretches on and on ................ ''
''Peel Holdings operates behind the scenes, quietly acquiring land and real estate, cutting billion-pound deals and influencing numerous planning decisions. Its investment decisions have had an enormous impact, whether for good or ill, on the places where millions of people live and work''
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/19/who-owns-england-secretive-companies-hoarding-land
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''John Whittaker (born 14 March 1942) is a British billionaire. He is chairman of the Peel Group, a property business that mainly invests in North West England. Although publicity-shy, he has been described as one of the most influential business leaders for Greater Manchester and the North West by the Manchester Evening News (2007),[3] and was named the most influential northerner by The Big Issue magazine in 2010.[4]''
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Whittaker_(businessman)
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He's also a complete w**ker.
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Thinking out of the box, I wonder if it's possible to tempt Peel out of the Airport site with a land exchange as a carrot. Any brownfield sites with potential for development within the South Yorks unitary area?
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Unfortunately Bradholme near Thorne. Its been "quashed" due to flood risk and traffic concerns but they could be tempted in
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This plan has always probably been on the back burner for Peel, any interest they had in continuing to run the Airport went when the Government rejected the train station and free port status.
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Seems that there is more action going on with Nick Fletcher (Doncaster MP) and not sure why Ros Jones always gets voted in as Doncaster Mayor always just seem to bother when there is a photo opportunity. And the South Yorkshire Mayor doesn't seem to be doing anything.
Why do we vote these Mayors in anyway?
Here is the link again https://www.change.org/p/save-doncaster-sheffield-airport-savedoncasterairport?redirect=false
It is currently at just over 81,000
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Seems that there is more action going on with Nick Fletcher (Doncaster MP) and not sure why Ros Jones always gets voted in as Doncaster Mayor always just seem to bother when there is a photo opportunity. And the South Yorkshire Mayor doesn't seem to be doing anything.
Why do we vote these Mayors in anyway?
Here is the link again https://www.change.org/p/save-doncaster-sheffield-airport-savedoncasterairport?redirect=false
It is currently at just over 81,000
Nick Fletcher is the photo op king, he can’t even get his Transport Minister to attend meetings about the airport
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He claims the powers are devolved which they are in teesside so you'd think would be here too.
Criticise him filo but his updates daily on this are very thorough. With a regional mayor etc it shouldn't need the transport minister to attend.
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This from a mail shot I get - looks like the train station is back on
https://www.saferhighways.co.uk/post/doncaster-sheffield-to-benefit-from-5-7bn-city-transport-fund?mc_cid=8f51aa8728&mc_eid=d936b6a865
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This from a mail shot I get - looks like the train station is back on
https://www.saferhighways.co.uk/post/doncaster-sheffield-to-benefit-from-5-7bn-city-transport-fund?mc_cid=8f51aa8728&mc_eid=d936b6a865
I have had a look and it is talking about building a Railway station with 100 metre long platforms capable of being extended to 150 metres, a link will be built connecting the East Coast main line to the new station.
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Seems a strange time to announce it though bearing in mind how Peel are acting.
Spur onto ECML and extend TRU through to the airport would be great business and open it up to most of the country
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I wonder if the south yorks mayor gets the money for that even if it doesn't happen? IE if the airport closes will be redeploy it?
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There is a meeting at the Eco Power tomorrow at 6pm in the Legends Lounge about the Airport for those interested.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/doncaster-sheffield-airport-huge-public-meeting-called-at-eco-power-stadium-3790822
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A Statement from Doncaster Council Mayor Ros Jones and South Yorkshire Mayoral Combined Authority Mayor Oliver Coppard
Doncaster Sheffield Airport (DSA) owners, The Peel Group has confirmed in a meeting with senior officers from both Doncaster Council and South Yorkshire Mayoral Combined Authority (SYMCA) and Doncaster Chamber of Commerce – that they will look at all options to keep the airport open. They would be willing to consider a range of options that could result in the maintenance of aviation operations on the site. There is a mutual recognition that the airport and wider Gateway East site are inextricably linked, and all viable options are still on the table for discussion, including the sale to another owner/operator.
Each of the options will now be further investigated within the extremely tight consultation period Peel has set for its strategic review, with an acknowledgement that this may need to be extended. The urgency of this work cannot be underestimated and will be conducted at pace and commitment by Doncaster Council and the SYMCA. We have mobilised a number of groups including a business advisory board and our region’s MPs. We are now working closely with the Department for Transport and have jointly commissioned an economic impact assessment alongside our private sector partners to inform the best possible outcome for Doncaster Sheffield Airport, Doncaster and South Yorkshire. The region is also working with Government as we look for support with this nationally significant airport.
Our work continues and we will provide updates when they are available. Thank you to everyone who came along to the recent public meeting to ask questions and share ideas, and to those who have supported our efforts to see DSA continue as an aviation operation in Doncaster. We want to see the airport remain open.
Doncaster Sheffield Airport
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So Nick Fletcher confirms that the railway station has been approved
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This from a mail shot I get - looks like the train station is back on
https://www.saferhighways.co.uk/post/doncaster-sheffield-to-benefit-from-5-7bn-city-transport-fund?mc_cid=8f51aa8728&mc_eid=d936b6a865
It looks as though the station, if built, will be linked to the Sheffield - Lincoln line, and not the E.C.M.L.:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-62478464
Airline passengers bound for London would change at Donny.
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This from a mail shot I get - looks like the train station is back on
https://www.saferhighways.co.uk/post/doncaster-sheffield-to-benefit-from-5-7bn-city-transport-fund?mc_cid=8f51aa8728&mc_eid=d936b6a865
It looks as though the station, if built, will be linked to the Sheffield - Lincoln line, and not the E.C.M.L.:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-62478464
Airline passengers bound for London would change at Donny.
A 4.5 mile link would be more than ample to link the airport to the ECML, and have a reversing chord so trains can travel both north and south, why would they not do this instead of linking it to the Joint Line(Lincoln to Donny) where any prospective passengers from further afield would have to change to get North or Southbound services. It would be commercial suicide to not connect to the far busier and more destination friendly via the ECML, who wants to go the Sheffield!!
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This from a mail shot I get - looks like the train station is back on
https://www.saferhighways.co.uk/post/doncaster-sheffield-to-benefit-from-5-7bn-city-transport-fund?mc_cid=8f51aa8728&mc_eid=d936b6a865
It looks as though the station, if built, will be linked to the Sheffield - Lincoln line, and not the E.C.M.L.:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-62478464
Airline passengers bound for London would change at Donny.
A 4.5 mile link would be more than ample to link the airport to the ECML, and have a reversing chord so trains can travel both north and south, why would they not do this instead of linking it to the Joint Line(Lincoln to Donny) where any prospective passengers from further afield would have to change to get North or Southbound services. It would be commercial suicide to not connect to the far busier and more destination friendly via the ECML, who wants to go the Sheffield!!
I think it all boils down to funding.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-62534005
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So since all this kicked off I have to take my hat off to Nick Fletcher, if only the likes of Milliband and Winterton were as proactive .
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So since all this kicked off I have to take my hat off to Nick Fletcher, if only the likes of Milliband and Winterton were as proactive .
Not likely to get much of a mention on here mate, for some reason.
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So since all this kicked off I have to take my hat off to Nick Fletcher, if only the likes of Milliband and Winterton were as proactive .
Not likely to get much of a mention on here mate, for some reason.
Milliband FB page 2 entries re the Airport Three about Bullcroft Pit Tip then we are back in the Bentley floods 2/3 years ago, Fletcher updating on his recent work three or four times daily including Edlingtonand other deprived Wards an entry daily about the Airport.
I think Milliband and Winterton are away on holiday for 6 weeks! Fletcher has really stolen a dozen Marches on them when itcomes to what he is doing to help his constituency.
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So since all this kicked off I have to take my hat off to Nick Fletcher, if only the likes of Milliband and Winterton were as proactive .
Not likely to get much of a mention on here mate, for some reason.
Milliband FB page 2 entries re the Airport Three about Bullcroft Pit Tip then we are back in the Bentley floods 2/3 years ago, Fletcher updating on his recent work three or four times daily including Edlingtonand other deprived Wards an entry daily about the Airport.
I think Milliband and Winterton are away on holiday for 6 weeks! Fletcher has really stolen a dozen Marches on them when itcomes to what he is doing to help his constituency.
Could that be evidence perhaps that they are not all the same?
Hard to believe that Milliband and Winterton are away on holiday when their constituents need them to help save the airport.
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So since all this kicked off I have to take my hat off to Nick Fletcher, if only the likes of Milliband and Winterton were as proactive .
The situation with the Airport should not be used as a political weapon, it should be cross party issue, but seeing as you have decided to make it political, Nick Fletcher is the king of the photo op, and likes to take credit for other peoples work, in this case Oliver Coppard’s work in leading the opposition to the closure. If Nick Fletcher was that bothered he would be getting his own Governments Transport Minister involved, that hasn’t happened and Fletcher has never mentioned the Transport Minister
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Who is Robert Courts ?
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So since all this kicked off I have to take my hat off to Nick Fletcher, if only the likes of Milliband and Winterton were as proactive .
The situation with the Airport should not be used as a political weapon, it should be cross party issue, but seeing as you have decided to make it political, Nick Fletcher is the king of the photo op, and likes to take credit for other peoples work, in this case Oliver Coppard’s work in leading the opposition to the closure. If Nick Fletcher was that bothered he would be getting his own Governments Transport Minister involved, that hasn’t happened and Fletcher has never mentioned the Transport Minister
Who is Robert Courts? By the way if you actually read some of his FB posts he supports Oliver Coppard and agrees with you this is not about Politics.
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As I stated in an earlier post he has actually been to every party of his constituency and addressed the issues each area has what are the Labour safe seat holders doing.. Naff all!
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So since all this kicked off I have to take my hat off to Nick Fletcher, if only the likes of Milliband and Winterton were as proactive .
The situation with the Airport should not be used as a political weapon, it should be cross party issue, but seeing as you have decided to make it political, Nick Fletcher is the king of the photo op, and likes to take credit for other peoples work, in this case Oliver Coppard’s work in leading the opposition to the closure. If Nick Fletcher was that bothered he would be getting his own Governments Transport Minister involved, that hasn’t happened and Fletcher has never mentioned the Transport Minister
Who is Robert Courts? By the way if you actually read some of his FB posts he supports Oliver Coppard and agrees with you this is not about Politics.
But you have made this Political in this very thread
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Makes sense Coppard and Fletcher being the most prominent on the subject. It's in both of their constituencies.
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Nick Fletcher got Liz Truss on board now!
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Photo opportunity?
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Although Peel have now extended the consultation period until September 16 the part of their statement that struck me was the fact that at the moment there were still no tangible proposal from either public or private sector partners
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Nice to see Oliver Coppard showing his Guns to Peel, to be honest Doncaster will always be a winner here if Peel get their way we are looking at a 1600 acres new Town, if Coppard wins we will see an 800 acre industrial site and a nicely situated and very convenient International Airpot remaining to serve The Region.
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Sign the petition
https://www.change.org/p/save-doncaster-sheffield-airport-savedoncasterairport?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_33927140_en-GB%3A6&recruiter=291940001&recruited_by_id=5bda9310-f4fa-11e4-b34f-896b8445d22d&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=7142009bf17242dda47d47cfa3fb3242&share_bandit_exp=initial-33927140-en-GB
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Oliver Coppard has had enough of Peel and it’s Shenanigans and it actually seeking private operators to run the Airport no doubt with help from the region
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Oliver Coppard and Rhos Jones have found a serious contender to take over the Airport.
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Oliver Coppard and Rhos Jones have found a serious contender to take over the Airport.
A significant step forward.
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Let’s hope it works out
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Oliver Coppard and Rhos Jones have found a serious contender to take over the Airport.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/doncaster-sheffield-airport-extremely-serious-potential-investor-found-says-mayor-3840658?itm_source=parsely-api
Less than 6 hours ago! Sounds like good news!
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https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2022-09-23/deal-put-forward-to-save-airport-from-closure
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Hope that Peel aren’t going to be allowed to dip into support package and then not sell
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-63014655
“… the conclusion of a review examining the future of the site would be announced on 26 September.”
Significant?
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Closing
https://flydsa.co.uk/latest-news/strategic-review-concludes
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Closing
https://flydsa.co.uk/latest-news/strategic-review-concludes
They never had any intention of listening to offers or rescue packages, they want the land now all the infrastructure is in place and paid for by someone else, disgraceful behaviour
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https:// www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-63033676
Oh dear! :(
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Closing
https://flydsa.co.uk/latest-news/strategic-review-concludes
Totally agree
They never had any intention of listening to offers or rescue packages, they want the land now all the infrastructure is in place and paid for by someone else, disgraceful behaviour
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I hope the Council aren't granting them planning permission for housing in 6 months.
Council should unadopt all the infrastructure round the airport Immediately.
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Terrible decision. Something wrong if we can't protect infrastructure assets such as this isn't there?
No idea what will happen with my December holiday but frankly that's nothing compared to the impact on the hard working staff. It's a great airport, far superior to Leeds and Manchester passenger experience wise.
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Absolutely terrible decision. Nothing whatsoever to do with the airport and more to do with asset selling (again) in my opinion. It’s a travesty. A couple of weeks ago Liz Truss was quoted in the Yorkshire Post as saying that she’d look to ensure it remained open. Only government intervention can help now…let’s see. One thing is for sure - if this was happening down here then the government would be all over it.
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Aren’t 800 acres of the site covered by a covenant that only allows use as an airport? This decision by Peel is an absolute disgrace and I hope that central government apply heavy pressure to make them change their decision, at least until all other options are fully explored.
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Covenants can be lifted if the right things are in place ££££
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I hope the Council aren't granting them planning permission for housing in 6 months.
Council should unadopt all the infrastructure round the airport Immediately.
Council will drag heels , refuse , obstruct and then Peel will pull strings , grease palms ans someone like Jenrick will then be found to grant everything
He is a form horse and just back in Govt position even with that "rap" sheet
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/25/the-three-housing-controversies-robert-jenrick-is-facing-down (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/25/the-three-housing-controversies-robert-jenrick-is-facing-down)
https://www.gov.uk/government/people/robert-jenrick
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Covenants can be lifted if the right things are in place ££££
Game, Set and Match then.
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Aren’t 800 acres of the site covered by a covenant that only allows use as an airport? This decision by Peel is an absolute disgrace and I hope that central government apply heavy pressure to make them change their decision, at least until all other options are fully explored.
Jenrick as Planning Minister or summat similar oversaw a 45 million saving [see article above] for a huge development in London
One day later and the local Council would have got the 45 mill for Community projects. A few weeks / months later the man who saved the 45 mill donated £12,000 to the Tories
If Peel got stuck I can see what might happen .... 45 mill = 12 k ... what might DSA multiply up to
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Ah yes, now FARRRS is well and truly complete, funded with public money and its main objective being the link between the M18 and the Airport.
Absolutely rotten. I really hope Central Government can intervene.
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Ah yes, now FARRRS is well and truly complete, funded with public money and its main objective being the link between the M18 and the Airport.
Absolutely rotten. I really hope Central Government can intervene.
They haven’t got long to intervene TUI has announced their final flight on 4th November
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Nick Fletcher asking for Doncaster council and combined authority to put a compulsory purchase order on the airport if peel don’t reverse the decision to close.
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Tui donny flights going to Manchester East Midlands and Leeds Bradford
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Nick Fletcher asking for Doncaster council and combined authority to put a compulsory purchase order on the airport if peel don’t reverse the decision to close.
I really hope they do this irrespective of Peel reversing their decision or not
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Nick Fletcher asking for Doncaster council and combined authority to put a compulsory purchase order on the airport if peel don’t reverse the decision to close.
All well and good, but is his Central Govt going to cough some cash up?
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No ....
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It's all about £££ in the end. If Peel are offered a good deal, they'll walk.
It's up to SYCA , central government and the private sector to come up with a proposition that is attractive to Peel and one that won't drain the public purse. That must be decided before applying a compulsory purchase...which Peel could appeal if they feel they're being short changed.
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.... I hold no hope out. If people Google Peel Holdings or Peel Ports there is a long long section on Wiki detailing some of the things they have been noted for
There is one quote which I copied part of a whole Book on them which I copied
1 Peel Holdings operates behind the scenes, quietly acquiring land and real estate, cutting billion-pound deals and influencing numerous planning decisions. Its investment decisions have had an enormous impact, whether for good or ill, on the places where millions of people live and work.[77]
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Such a shame. I had booked with TUI to go to Croatia next year from Doncaster to Pula but they were playing silly buggers with our payments so we cancelled and are going to Iceland instead with Easy Jet.
I'll not get the opportunity to use Donny airport ever again then. Such a blow for the area too and the employees. They'll have to find new jobs.
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Tui donny flights going to Manchester East Midlands and Leeds Bradford
Great. Manchester is already in shit state with staff shortages. Leeds/ Bradford is awful and not easy to get to either.
If this was London city airport, the govt would have stepped in for sure.
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There's alot of noise coming out over the decision and people pointing the fingers at each other, yet no one taking any responsibility to actually do something.
Mayor Oliver Coppard and the SYCA Inc Ros Jones saying only the government can now intervene.
Government still saying the combined authority still has the power to buy out Peel via the public purse or public/private partnership (as happened at Teeside)
The SYCA allegedly found a serious credible consortium interested in taking over the airport but the best that could be done was to put in more public money to kick this buyout down the road.
Peel rightly stand firm saying no viable offer has been made and no evidence presented of the consortium's interest or an offer of a buyout.
Nick Fletcher points the finger at SYCA and says we should enact the compulsory purchase...but he knows that means the purchase still has to be paid for.
Meanwhile, SYCA seem to be waiting for the government to step in and provide the funding knowing all too well it won't be wholly funded from central government for a regional airport in the North. Did the consortium actually exist?
Nick Fletcher knows it could only be funded from local taxes and/or private money as his government have other pressing funding issues at the mo.
It's going to one of these "We did our best but... "
Lot's of talking, very little action and ironically the only entity who's been consistent throughout the consultation period is Peel.
The people of the South Yorkshire Region and beyond deserve better. Even if its just a bit of honesty in saying the risks of purchase are too high and could be a drain on the public purse...bit no, it's being used as a political football and that potential that's been there from the outset will be lost for good.
Edit: The irony of this vid produced by Peel in 2019!!
https://youtu.be/ceIUm6prGqk
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Well somewhere else unviable lets build homes and industrial space
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/company-says-research-shows-support-for-docks-closure-267728/
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Yes, a other example how Peel go about their business however, it doesn't change the solution required.
If we are serious about keeping the airport and the vision for it's future someone is going to have to stump up the cash to take it off their hands.
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Yes, a other example how Peel go about their business however, it doesn't change the solution required.
If we are serious about keeping the airport and the vision for it's future someone is going to have to stump up the cash to take it off their hands.
I like the "consultation" with the Medway population a whole 101 people just goes to show!!!!
and yes I would imagine so
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Isn't it Sheffield Airport that's closing? :whistle:
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Yes, a other example how Peel go about their business however, it doesn't change the solution required.
If we are serious about keeping the airport and the vision for it's future someone is going to have to stump up the cash to take it off their hands.
I like the "consultation" with the Medway population a whole 101 people just goes to show!!!!
and yes I would imagine so
Reminds me of a proposed development in Thorne where local Paper used 77% of population in favour of this development based on small figures like 101
A month or so Company gave presentation to Council & public ( almost all were anti development)
Any last questions asked the Chair and I said yes please.I asked "apart from the Company itself is there a single person who supports this plan "
Not 1 person put their hand up SO I said " so is it true now then, that 100% of Thorne residents are totally opposed to it"
The room exploded with laughter ( some didn't get it at first ) and as we left people were shaking my hand , patting me on back etc.
Statistics eh ?
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Nick Fletcher hasn’t given up yet on trying to save DSA.
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OK hound.
What's he going to do now, other than trying to score points by blaming Donny council and Oliver Coppard, he's got nowhere so far.
Because as sure as eggs is eggs his government aren't going to get involved despite what Truss said in Parliament.
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OK hound.
What's he going to do now, other than trying to score points by blaming Donny council and Oliver Coppard, he's got nowhere so far.
Because as sure as eggs is eggs his government aren't going to get involved despite what Truss said in Parliament.
TT, you wouldn’t have said any of that if someone like Milliband had tried to save DSA.
As for what is he trying to do, have a look, it is out there online.
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Yes I would. No-one can save DSA.
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OK hound.
What's he going to do now, other than trying to score points by blaming Donny council and Oliver Coppard, he's got nowhere so far.
Because as sure as eggs is eggs his government aren't going to get involved despite what Truss said in Parliament.
TT, you wouldn’t have said any of that if someone like Milliband had tried to save DSA.
As for what is he trying to do, have a look, it is out there online.
Very childish response that.
No MP or council member has made much effort to make it happen, it's just a lot of saying your doing stuff. It's largely Peels fault but they have a history for this, if the regional MPs care they should just buy it to secure it's future and then look for a new buyer afterwards. Don't try and point score for your preferred party Hound, it's been a shambles all around.
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OK hound.
What's he going to do now, other than trying to score points by blaming Donny council and Oliver Coppard, he's got nowhere so far.
Because as sure as eggs is eggs his government aren't going to get involved despite what Truss said in Parliament.
TT, you wouldn’t have said any of that if someone like Milliband had tried to save DSA.
As for what is he trying to do, have a look, it is out there online.
Very childish response that.
No MP or council member has made much effort to make it happen, it's just a lot of saying your doing stuff. It's largely Peels fault but they have a history for this, if the regional MPs care they should just buy it to secure it's future and then look for a new buyer afterwards. Don't try and point score for your preferred party Hound, it's been a shambles all around.
DO, first of all, I don’t have preferred Party.
Secondly, I know it has been a shambles, in all honesty, who doesn’t know that.
Peel have taken advantage of the council and essentially got the infrastructure installed for next to nothing.
Finally, you may think my response is childish, but that is up to you to interpret it as you wish.
However, childish or not, I still think I was right in my assumption.
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You always think you're right, hound however stupid your contributions continue to be.
Anyway, the staff are being given their redundancy notices and the place is gradually being closed down.
So that's that.
Peel were determined to close it from the start and no amount of lobbying would have made any difference, once central government washed their hands of it.
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TT, I have never seen you say to someone like say, BST, who consistently calls out other posters and corrects them on points made.
And I noticed you haven’t denied that your response would have been different if someone like Milliband had tried to save the airport.
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BST doesn't make silly assumptions, unlike you.
On your other point see post 153 above.
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BST doesn't make silly assumptions, unlike you.
On your other point see post 153 above.
But he does very often put down other peoples points of view and is found out to be wrong afterwards.
I was using him as an example by the way and the same applies to plenty of other posters too.
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Like you did with me with the Milliband rubbish on this page and I do to you because of your nothing useful to contribute other than shit stirring.
You may have noticed I very rarely post on off topic nowadays other than Wordle.
Winds me up having to deal with people like you.
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Like you did with me with the Milliband rubbish on this page and I do to you because of your nothing useful to contribute other than shit stirring.
You may have noticed I very rarely post on off topic nowadays other than Wordle.
Winds me up having to deal with people like you.
Having to deal with people like me!
Just don’t do off topic then.
Plenty of people do have sensible conversations with me but they are usually people who are prepared to listen to another persons point of view.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHytjEj7B9g
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I’ve just read the free press article about the Labour mayor and Tories playing politics with this. It’s embarrassing to be Frank. More concerned about political gain than the airport and the workers. They should grow up and try their best to resolve this shambles
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Yes agree POL and with PR we would get it (an end to playing politics etc)
That's what I hope for ,... Getting PR and it ending extremism from wherever it comes
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UKIP would have had around 80 seats+ after the 2015 election under PR, instead of just ONE under FPTP!
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I’ve just read the free press article about the Labour mayor and Tories playing politics with this. It’s embarrassing to be Frank. More concerned about political gain than the airport and the workers. They should grow up and try their best to resolve this shambles
You'd be better informed by reading this from the usually Tory Yorkshire Post
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/columnists/doncaster-sheffield-airport-closure-shows-how-levelling-up-has-amounted-to-nothing-more-than-a-slogan-andrew-vine-3873380
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I can remember years ago. I think the lib dems got 7 million votes and I think about 8 seats. That can’t bevright
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UKIP would have had around 80 seats+ after the 2015 election under PR, instead of just ONE under FPTP!
Good it'd be representative of the population.
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UKIP would have had around 80 seats+ after the 2015 election under PR, instead of just ONE under FPTP!
Good it'd be representative of the population.
It would probably have been much higher in fact, had the electorate known voting for UKIP wouldn't have been a wasted vote as would have been the case under PR.
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Today Ros Jones and Oliver Coppard have offered Peel holdings financial support for up to 2 years,whilst a very possible buy out deal is sorted with one of the three potential buyers who have all Met Peels buyout criteria,one is a regional Aiort Operator, (rumour has it Manchester) another UK investment consortium and a Gulf based Consortium. Nick Fletcher needs to sort Trevellyan out if Ros Jones comments re the Airport not being viable are true!
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Ros Jones had never said the airport isn't viable.
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Ros Jones stated Trevelyan agreed with Peel
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''I fundamentally disagree with the Secretary of State for Transport Anne-Marie Trevelyan MP who appears to be siding with Peel, stating that Doncaster Sheffield Airport is unviable.
I believe if operated and managed correctly then DSA can and should be a success and profitable''
https://et-ee.facebook.com/MayorRos/
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Ros Jones stated Trevelyan agreed with Peel
Treveleyen has effectively agreed with Peel.
What that has got to do with what Ros Jones has said is beyond me.
I see the dozy hound liked your post.
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TT I don't normally respond to your posts as I suspect you are on a Spectrum!
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Thought it was Panda who is on the spectrum.
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Syd I agree with you about it being viable. I was using it on a weekly basis a while ago as were some of my colleagues. Generally a good experience. Most of the flights I used were full
Some of the problem has been the lack of promoting its benefits like it’s location to the motorway, the availability of free parking at the parrots corner park and ride with cheap as chips transport to the airport
I just hope that sense prevails and it’s saved. Such an asset to the local area
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Phil, I was directly quoting Ros Jones from her fb page and provided a link but I do of course agree with her statement.
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Has this been posted already...?
https://www.doncaster.gov.uk/News/statement-from-mayor-ros-jones-on-doncaster-sheffield-airport
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I still don’t understand why somebody hasn’t applied for an ACV on the airport. Am I missing something?
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Posted by Ros Jones a few minutes ago.
"message from Ros Jones and DMBC Oliver Coppard SYMCA
On Thursday morning we wrote to Peel highlighting the three potential investors and asking them to reverse the closure notice of doncaster sheffield airport we gave them a 5pm deadline today to respond.
This afternoon we received a response from Peel by the deadline, the door is still open for negotiations and Peel have confirmed it would be willing to quickly engage with these potential investors.
There are some clarification points that need addressing before we formally reply"
At last a positive step. The work done by SYCMA to bring 3 potential buyers to the table in such a short period of time is commendable. This, with their intention to invoke a CPO if Peel still refuses to negotiate appears to have born fruit.
I suspect Peel will try to negotiate a deal now rather than risk a reduced value that a CPO might bring.
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An ACV would give six months of breathing space.
A CPO would need some serious political backing I would have thought.
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An ACV would give six months of breathing space.
A CPO would need some serious political backing I would have thought.
You may have a point there SM but making it an Asset of Community value would not prevent Peels from winding everything down.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/doncaster-sheffield-airport-peel-agree-to-last-ditch-talks-to-save-base-3881048
Are Peel just taking the mick and prolonging this or could this be genuine
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/doncaster-sheffield-airport-peel-agree-to-last-ditch-talks-to-save-base-3881048
Are Peel just taking the mick and prolonging this or could this be genuine
In my opinion Peel are playing the game, there is no reason whatsoever for them to turn down the financial support while complex negotiations take place
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I suspect that now there are three separate entities with the financial clout and muscle to have met the very high Bar set by Peel, they are backed against a wall, they are under intense scrutiny and there are some big Bears coming up on the horizon to raise serious questions about the way they have managed the Airport and how they can account for the Public money chucked their way over the years, their past history of deliberately mismanaged Airports clearly run down with a view to exploiting the land they stand on for vast profit.
If The MAG group as rumoured are in the reckoning they would be a serious contender, Manchester does not have the capacity to expand and clearly can see the benefits of taking over DSA and moving a large tranche of flights over the Pennines just makes sense.
Having a Tory Mp who is making a lot of noise also doesn't bode well for Peel.
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I suspect that now there are three separate entities with the financial clout and muscle to have met the very high Bar set by Peel, they are backed against a wall, they are under intense scrutiny and there are some big Bears coming up on the horizon to raise serious questions about the way they have managed the Airport and how they can account for the Public money chucked their way over the years, their past history of deliberately mismanaged Airports clearly run down with a view to exploiting the land they stand on for vast profit.
If The MAG group as rumoured are in the reckoning they would be a serious contender, Manchester does not have the capacity to expand and clearly can see the benefits of taking over DSA and moving a large tranche of flights over the Pennines just makes sense.
Having a Tory Mp who is making a lot of noise also doesn't bode well for Peel.
I don’t wish to make this Political, I think all party’s regardless of political colour should come together on this, but I think I should just mention that the Tory MP was absent from the House when his Transport Minister basically washed her hand off saving the airport and came down on Peels side
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That will be another ‘Red Wall’ seat back to Labour then!
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I could be wrong but I think Nick Fletcher seems to be acting more helpfully now since Coppard gave him a dressing down in public after making politically motivated comments that could have hindered the work going on by SYMCA behind the scenes.
Those two and Ros Jones seem to have come together in the last few days at this critical time.
I agree, and hope Peel are now feeling some heat and think it's better to negotiate voluntarily rather than risk having more scrutiny into their business dealings.
Fingers crossed a deal can be reached .
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That will be another ‘Red Wall’ seat back to Labour then!
I don't think you'd get very long odds against that.
There's going to be dozens of Red Wall Tory MPs polishing their CVs over the next 2 years. The emotional spasm is over
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Whoever gets in next time is picking up the Poisoned Chalice there will be not a lot of money to play around with, that's for certain.
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Latest from Nick Fletcher
AIRPORT CLOSURE - DAY 96
I have spent this afternoon writing to our Prime Minister Liz Truss, Secretary of State for Transport Anne-Marie Trevelyan MP and our Aviation Minister Baroness Vere.
I have asked them for a collegiate approach from government using the full weight of their collective offices to press all stakeholders to achieve a successful outcome. To save our airport. Doncaster Sheffield Airport
Peel are actively engaged in seeking an Investment Zone for their land. I cannot see how that can happen if the airport is closed.
I am genuinely baffled how Peel can think refusing the interim offer to cover their losses is the way forward. It is more than likely that all that will happen is that tumbleweed will collect around the land. Certainly not what Peel say they want to do with it.
I have lobbied Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy since becoming your MP for support towards an Advanced Manufacturing Research Centre at Gateway East but Peel’s refusal to do the right thing is putting that in real jeopardy too.
I continue to ask for support from the Secretaries of State for BEIS and Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities.
As I have said so many times we do not live in a dictatorship or a communist regime. So the government can only do so much.
Compulsory Purchase powers sit with Doncaster Council (Ros Jones) and South Yorkshire Mayoral Combined Authority (Oliver Coppard).
Government powers now sit with DMBC and SYMCA.
However, I believe it would be unwise for any business (that has a wish to prosper in the future) to ignore three Departments of State and the United Kingdom’s Prime Minister.
We shall see over the next few days how events unfold.
I have today also written to Damian Allen (CEO of DMBC) with regards to making the airport, it’s runway, terminals and hangars into Community Assets of Value. We discussed this yesterday at our meeting but think it is important for me to press for this formally for a second time.
I am still pressing with regards to the CCA and will be hoping to speak with Huw Merriman MP next week regarding how the Transport Select Committee are progressing with my previous request for support.
The fight is not over. Keep strong. Keep the Faith. I’m on it.
#SaveDSA #Doncasterisgreat
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I know politics is a game played by all, but can't help but think Nick Fletcher is playing harder than most to deflect away from it being his mob in charge - and you can't tell me you can shut an asset like this without approval however tacit
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Nick Fletcher hasn’t given up yet on trying to save DSA.
Quote from Tommy Toes: October 3rd.
OK hound.
What's he going to do now, other than trying to score points by blaming Donny council and Oliver Coppard, he's got nowhere so far.
Because as sure as eggs is eggs his government aren't going to get involved despite what Truss said in Parliament.
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Well Tommy Toes, it looks like he is still trying to get the government to listen.
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I know politics is a game played by all, but can't help but think Nick Fletcher is playing harder than most to deflect away from it being his mob in charge - and you can't tell me you can shut an asset like this without approval however tacit
To translate:
"I know the airport is going to close. I know the PM is a basket case and will do nothing about it because she's curled up in a foetal position in the dark rocking backwards and forwards whispering "Lizzy is BIG girl. Lizzy in charge." I know she's the most derided person in the country. So I'm setting the ground for saying "Nowt to do with me guv! I tried," when it all goes tits.
And it's also Labour's fault."
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Yeah that :)
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Nick Fletcher hasn’t given up yet on trying to save DSA.
Quote from Tommy Toes: October 3rd.
OK hound.
What's he going to do now, other than trying to score points by blaming Donny council and Oliver Coppard, he's got nowhere so far.
Because as sure as eggs is eggs his government aren't going to get involved despite what Truss said in Parliament.
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Well Tommy Toes, it looks like he is still trying to get the government to listen.
Trying to get HIS government to listen
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Nick Fletcher hasn’t given up yet on trying to save DSA.
Quote from Tommy Toes: October 3rd.
OK hound.
What's he going to do now, other than trying to score points by blaming Donny council and Oliver Coppard, he's got nowhere so far.
Because as sure as eggs is eggs his government aren't going to get involved despite what Truss said in Parliament.
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Well Tommy Toes, it looks like he is still trying to get the government to listen.
All this is smoke and mirrors hound.
The transport minister has already refused to get involved and has batted it back to DMBC and Coppard.
Ros Jones and Coppard, NOT your beloved Fletcher, have identified 3 consortiums who have shown a serious interest in taking over the Airport, and are allegedly meeting with Peel, but don't hold your breath.
Again Fletcher is having a go at DMBC and Coppard when they are working as hard, if not harder than him to save the airport.
Your blinkered gullibility knows no bounds Hound
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well at least he is trying, what about the other two Doncaster MP's ?
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well at least he is trying, what about the other two Doncaster MP's ?
You should look into this yourself.
Rosie and Milliband have been working alongside the others, as have Louise Haig and Dan Jarvis.
They were all pressing the transport minister in the house earlier this week and Fletcher wasn't even present!
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well at least he is trying, what about the other two Doncaster MP's ?
You should look into this yourself.
Rosie and Milliband have been working alongside the others, as have Louise Haig and Dan Jarvis.
They were all pressing the transport minister in the house earlier this week and Fletcher wasn't even present!
Probably because there was no one with a camera for his photo op, the man is a fraud and one term Tory
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well at least he is trying, what about the other two Doncaster MP's ?
Who's constituency is the airport in?
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well at least he is trying, what about the other two Doncaster MP's ?
Who's constituency is the airport in?
Don’t you think that all of them should have their shoulders to the cart ? I know I do!
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Nick Fletcher hasn’t given up yet on trying to save DSA.
Quote from Tommy Toes: October 3rd.
OK hound.
What's he going to do now, other than trying to score points by blaming Donny council and Oliver Coppard, he's got nowhere so far.
Because as sure as eggs is eggs his government aren't going to get involved despite what Truss said in Parliament.
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Well Tommy Toes, it looks like he is still trying to get the government to listen.
All this is smoke and mirrors hound.
The transport minister has already refused to get involved and has batted it back to DMBC and Coppard.
Ros Jones and Coppard, NOT your beloved Fletcher, have identified 3 consortiums who have shown a serious interest in taking over the Airport, and are allegedly meeting with Peel, but don't hold your breath.
Again Fletcher is having a go at DMBC and Coppard when they are working as hard, if not harder than him to save the airport.
Your blinkered gullibility knows no bounds Hound
Tommy, first of all he isn’t my beloved Fletcher.
I have met him though and he is a decent man who appears to genuinely care about his constituents.
Secondly, you are a really funny guy, accusing me of blinkered gullibility.
For christs sake, if the Labour leader was a baboon you would still vote for it.
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Nick Fletcher hasn’t given up yet on trying to save DSA.
Quote from Tommy Toes: October 3rd.
OK hound.
What's he going to do now, other than trying to score points by blaming Donny council and Oliver Coppard, he's got nowhere so far.
Because as sure as eggs is eggs his government aren't going to get involved despite what Truss said in Parliament.
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Well Tommy Toes, it looks like he is still trying to get the government to listen.
All this is smoke and mirrors hound.
The transport minister has already refused to get involved and has batted it back to DMBC and Coppard.
Ros Jones and Coppard, NOT your beloved Fletcher, have identified 3 consortiums who have shown a serious interest in taking over the Airport, and are allegedly meeting with Peel, but don't hold your breath.
Again Fletcher is having a go at DMBC and Coppard when they are working as hard, if not harder than him to save the airport.
Your blinkered gullibility knows no bounds Hound
Tommy, first of all he isn’t my beloved Fletcher.
I have met him though and he is a decent man who appears to genuinely care about his constituents.
Secondly, you are a really funny guy, accusing me of blinkered gullibility.
For christs sake, if the Labour leader was a baboon you would still vote for it.
He is, and he will!
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Nick Fletcher hasn’t given up yet on trying to save DSA.
Quote from Tommy Toes: October 3rd.
OK hound.
What's he going to do now, other than trying to score points by blaming Donny council and Oliver Coppard, he's got nowhere so far.
Because as sure as eggs is eggs his government aren't going to get involved despite what Truss said in Parliament.
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Well Tommy Toes, it looks like he is still trying to get the government to listen.
All this is smoke and mirrors hound.
The transport minister has already refused to get involved and has batted it back to DMBC and Coppard.
Ros Jones and Coppard, NOT your beloved Fletcher, have identified 3 consortiums who have shown a serious interest in taking over the Airport, and are allegedly meeting with Peel, but don't hold your breath.
Again Fletcher is having a go at DMBC and Coppard when they are working as hard, if not harder than him to save the airport.
Your blinkered gullibility knows no bounds Hound
Tommy, first of all he isn’t my beloved Fletcher.
I have met him though and he is a decent man who appears to genuinely care about his constituents.
Secondly, you are a really funny guy, accusing me of blinkered gullibility.
For christs sake, if the Labour leader was a baboon you would still vote for it.
He is, and he will!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Nick Fletcher hasn’t given up yet on trying to save DSA.
Quote from Tommy Toes: October 3rd.
OK hound.
What's he going to do now, other than trying to score points by blaming Donny council and Oliver Coppard, he's got nowhere so far.
Because as sure as eggs is eggs his government aren't going to get involved despite what Truss said in Parliament.
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Well Tommy Toes, it looks like he is still trying to get the government to listen.
All this is smoke and mirrors hound.
The transport minister has already refused to get involved and has batted it back to DMBC and Coppard.
Ros Jones and Coppard, NOT your beloved Fletcher, have identified 3 consortiums who have shown a serious interest in taking over the Airport, and are allegedly meeting with Peel, but don't hold your breath.
Again Fletcher is having a go at DMBC and Coppard when they are working as hard, if not harder than him to save the airport.
Your blinkered gullibility knows no bounds Hound
Tommy, first of all he isn’t my beloved Fletcher.
I have met him though and he is a decent man who appears to genuinely care about his constituents.
Secondly, you are a really funny guy, accusing me of blinkered gullibility.
For christs sake, if the Labour leader was a baboon you would still vote for it.
But Hound why are you saying tommy would vote for Labour, he doesn't have a preferred party.
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Nick Fletcher hasn’t given up yet on trying to save DSA.
Quote from Tommy Toes: October 3rd.
OK hound.
What's he going to do now, other than trying to score points by blaming Donny council and Oliver Coppard, he's got nowhere so far.
Because as sure as eggs is eggs his government aren't going to get involved despite what Truss said in Parliament.
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Well Tommy Toes, it looks like he is still trying to get the government to listen.
All this is smoke and mirrors hound.
The transport minister has already refused to get involved and has batted it back to DMBC and Coppard.
Ros Jones and Coppard, NOT your beloved Fletcher, have identified 3 consortiums who have shown a serious interest in taking over the Airport, and are allegedly meeting with Peel, but don't hold your breath.
Again Fletcher is having a go at DMBC and Coppard when they are working as hard, if not harder than him to save the airport.
Your blinkered gullibility knows no bounds Hound
Tommy, first of all he isn’t my beloved Fletcher.
I have met him though and he is a decent man who appears to genuinely care about his constituents.
Secondly, you are a really funny guy, accusing me of blinkered gullibility.
For christs sake, if the Labour leader was a baboon you would still vote for it.
But Hound why are you saying tommy would vote for Labour, he doesn't have a preferred party.
He doesn’t have to DO.
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Nick Fletcher hasn’t given up yet on trying to save DSA.
Quote from Tommy Toes: October 3rd.
OK hound.
What's he going to do now, other than trying to score points by blaming Donny council and Oliver Coppard, he's got nowhere so far.
Because as sure as eggs is eggs his government aren't going to get involved despite what Truss said in Parliament.
**********************************************************
Well Tommy Toes, it looks like he is still trying to get the government to listen.
All this is smoke and mirrors hound.
The transport minister has already refused to get involved and has batted it back to DMBC and Coppard.
Ros Jones and Coppard, NOT your beloved Fletcher, have identified 3 consortiums who have shown a serious interest in taking over the Airport, and are allegedly meeting with Peel, but don't hold your breath.
Again Fletcher is having a go at DMBC and Coppard when they are working as hard, if not harder than him to save the airport.
Your blinkered gullibility knows no bounds Hound
Tommy, first of all he isn’t my beloved Fletcher.
I have met him though and he is a decent man who appears to genuinely care about his constituents.
Secondly, you are a really funny guy, accusing me of blinkered gullibility.
For christs sake, if the Labour leader was a baboon you would still vote for it.
But Hound why are you saying tommy would vote for Labour, he doesn't have a preferred party.
He doesn’t have to DO.
;)
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hound
I was referring to your gullibility in not seeing through the bullshit in Fletcher's missive, which you swallowed hook, line and sinker, its plain to see what he's up to.
And yes I will always vote Labour, as when all said and done they are the fairest choice, for all society out there, (maybe not for the I'm all right Jack's who are ganging up on me on here) and that has been rammed home to me over the last 12 years of this disaster of a government.
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Sorry Tommy, I have to disagree with you here.
Fletcher DOES want the airport to remain open.
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Of course he wants the airport to stay open, that's not the point!
Christ I've met some concrete thinkers in me time but dearie me.
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Here's a clue. Read BST's Post 195 on the previous page.
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I did read it Tommy and had it down as the most childish post I have read this year.
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Well, you would.
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I did read it Tommy and had it down as the most childish post I have read this year.
Your obsession is still going strong I see
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I did read it Tommy and had it down as the most childish post I have read this year.
Your obsession is still going strong I see
And yours with me.
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It doesn’t give you any credit hound. I had you down as being better than that.
Leave the cheap jibes to me.
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I did read it Tommy and had it down as the most childish post I have read this year.
Your obsession is still going strong I see
And yours with me.
But you know I’m correct, if I had an obsession with you I’d be on every post you make, just like you aRE with BST, but I’m not, I very rarely respond to you, mainly because you are like a kid with your cheap shots, then claiming innocence when challenged
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I did read it Tommy and had it down as the most childish post I have read this year.
Your obsession is still going strong I see
And yours with me.
But you know I’m correct, if I had an obsession with you I’d be on every post you make, just like you aRE with BST, but I’m not, I very rarely respond to you, mainly because you are like a kid with your cheap shots, then claiming innocence when challenged
Really, I respond to every post made by bst?
Kin ell Filo. No one has more posts than him so can you tell me how many of them I have responded to.
I actually don’t read many of his posts now as they are generally on the same theme, either arguing with BRR on the Ukraine thread or arguing with everyone who isn’t a Labour supporter on most of the other off topic stuff.
Don’t forget, it was TT who asked me to look at post 195 so I did and I told him what I thought about it.
If you think it was a grown up post (number 195) then it says more about your standards, I did think you were better than that.
By the way, I see that little Tommy clicked the like button on your post.
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You seem to know a lot about his posts, seeing as how you don't read them.
By the way I'm quite tall. Not as tall as wolfie, but that's true of most of us
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I skim read lots of stuff Tommy and often bypass your leaders posts after glancing at them.
By the way, you said you rarely go into off topic these days but I was sceptical about that so I had a quick look at your recent posts.
Only about 10% of your last 100 posts are about the football.
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Nearly all of my off topic posts are on the Wordle thread over the last few months.
Go and count them, if you've got enough fingers, as you seem to be interested in my activity.
I've only very recently posted on other off topic threads mainly to respond to your nonsense.
But never fear, I think I'll continue for now.
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If you think by calling BST my leader, for the umpteenth time is clever, then carry on.
It's pathetic.
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For the umpteenth time, go on then, how many times actually?
Probably just the one time.
Anyway, you crack on Tommy with the silly jibes at me, I really don’t mind.
I look forward to jousting with you in the future.
I’m out of this for now, it’s getting a bit wearing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHytjEj7B9g
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Tee hee.
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Anyone know what's happening with the airport?
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The only thing Fletcher is bothered about is his photos and trying to look good on social media. He used to photoshop pictures to make it look like he’d visited Doncaster.
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Don't tell hound that, he's met him and he's a nice bloke.
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Don't tell hound that, he's met him and he's a nice bloke.
Oh no it's' Tommy treads on toes , kill a thread!'
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When there is something to report on the future of the Airport, rest assured I'll do my best to post it on here immediately.
In the words of the Sainted Nick Fletcher.... Stay strong. I'm on it.
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Latest from t'mayor
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0276scsii894Redo9Wnc7v3xJ4Tri1YX6inNd8aKrGAC8d19Lc4BHTXxowYW6qd49Wl&id=100046941052068&sfnsn=scwspmo
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The only thing Fletcher is bothered about is his photos and trying to look good on social media. He used to photoshop pictures to make it look like he’d visited Doncaster.
He visited Thorne one day to meet 1 business man ( it was may June time)
He posted a photo and said great to be out and about among the people in Thorne ( thus inferring he was meeting people generally) but to back up that point he posted a Photo of him in Silver Street but soon people spotted the Xmas Trees and decorations
Yes the photo was 6 months old ish bit he'd used it to back up his notion he had ",met the prople"
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The only thing Fletcher is bothered about is his photos and trying to look good on social media. He used to photoshop pictures to make it look like he’d visited Doncaster.
He visited Thorne one day to meet 1 business man ( it was may June time)
He posted a photo and said great to be out and about among the people in Thorne ( thus inferring he was meeting people generally) but to back up that point he posted a Photo of him in Silver Street but soon people spotted the Xmas Trees and decorations
Yes the photo was 6 months old ish bit he'd used it to back up his notion he had ",met the prople"
In what way is this relevant to Doncaster Airport?
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Interesting update on Nick Fletchers FB page, sadly you will have to cast away the Taboos of a lifetime to view it as I am not posting it!
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The only thing Fletcher is bothered about is his photos and trying to look good on social media. He used to photoshop pictures to make it look like he’d visited Doncaster.
He visited Thorne one day to meet 1 business man ( it was may June time)
He posted a photo and said great to be out and about among the people in Thorne ( thus inferring he was meeting people generally) but to back up that point he posted a Photo of him in Silver Street but soon people spotted the Xmas Trees and decorations
Yes the photo was 6 months old ish bit he'd used it to back up his notion he had ",met the prople"
In what way is this relevant to Doncaster Airport?
Ask yourself sprot, would you tell a lie just to impress people?
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I've never doubted Fletcher's desire to keep the airport open.
What I do object to are his claims and inferences that he's playing a leading role in the fight. All this stay strong and I'm on it b*llocks, while he writes letters to all and sundry.
He isn't, DMBC and the SY Mayor have identified potential buyers and offered Peel the interim £7 million.
I've read his recent facebook post and there's nothing new in it. More pointless
self promotion.
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But a genuine question as to why they barred the mp from the working groups etc? Doesn't seem very collaborative to me. Neither party could ditch the politics.
I ask this question if the labour MPs care, have they been at the airport to meet the workers?
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I've never doubted Fletcher's desire to keep the airport open.
What I do object to are his claims and inferences that he's playing a leading role in the fight. All this stay strong and I'm on it b*llocks, while he writes letters to all and sundry.
He isn't, DMBC and the SY Mayor have identified potential buyers and offered Peel the interim £7 million.
I've read his recent facebook post and there's nothing new in it. More pointless
self promotion.
Totally agree with all that. On one hand you could say he's keeping the airport on the agenda every day with his postings but throughout, he's been a political opportunist and has been like a Parrot on the shoulder of Oliver Coppard.
Even in his latest post, he's made out that SYMCA have been sitting in their hands while bringing the names of the consortia forward. Coppard had already said, they were working hard with layers and the consortia to get to the point of submitting their letters of intent.
One of the reasons I believe he hasn't been included in the working groups, is he's seen as a loose cannon.
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Fletcher is doing what he should be doing as MP for that part of Donny, the other two seem disinterested and I am not happy with the apparent lack of inclusion from Oliver Coppard and Rhos Jones.
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Fletcher is doing what he should be doing as MP for that part of Donny, the other two seem disinterested and I am not happy with the apparent lack of inclusion from Oliver Coppard and Rhos Jones.
You only see what you want to see Milliband spends a good deal of his time in his consituency, I’ve seen and met him plenty of times in and around Stainforth, he calls in at Stainforth Library very often
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He is myMp and I wrote to him over a Pension issue a few years ago and considering who he is/was his reply letter was pathetic, just advised me to roll over, my colleagues wrote to their local Mp's who were all Labour and got real help support and advice, we eventually won our argument but it was no thanks to that useless waste of space. Micheal Mann I would have scored at 10 ,the others were all 7-8 but that idiot scored minus 5!
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The Parliamentary debate last night was a bit fractious,politics got in the way of unity, ed Milliband centred on a CAA but Nick Fletcher advised it had been seriously looked at and deemed not viable.
A couple of things came out ,the regional Authority had an opportunity to buy a £20 million pound share in the Airport but didn't that would have made them shareholders and this seemed to cause Peel to think there was disinterest and they could go ahead and close.
That has been realised today hence Ros Jones threatening a compulsory purchase order, hopefully the regional Group is behind her in this.
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Well worth reading, this is what was actually discussed....
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2022-10-24/debates/6C70DCF6-3434-49BA-BAC1-CD99D23B6D55/DoncasterSheffieldAirport?fbclid=IwAR1rLsBnUBFLBdZUTPlsBXBlhjKp21AHpOLRKp0sW1Ww5D8viwqNIcSiNzc#contribution-47BF2BAC-92E5-4A8D-9E33-92846B7EF79F
and
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2022-10-24/debates/4D724395-D3B2-498E-A7DF-962B3A940E54/DoncasterSheffieldAirport?fbclid=IwAR01OvmQhSXGa5QTV97NMal7RIwk-L68Q--Ttu_uCFtUSHlw0LEA2_TzW68#contribution-01A1E498-5243-486B-9204-A3B712D1AAC0
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The person who should be most held to account over this sorry state of affairs is Coppard. His refusal to either lend Peel, or purchase an equity share of the airport, in March, for 20 million, has cost thousands of jobs and untold millions in lost revenue to the area. It’s an absolute disgrace.
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The person who should be most held to account over this sorry state of affairs is Coppard. His refusal to either lend Peel, or purchase an equity share of the airport, in March, for 20 million, has cost thousands of jobs and untold millions in lost revenue to the area. It’s an absolute disgrace.
Did you read the links I posted above?
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Well worth reading, this is what was actually discussed....
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2022-10-24/debates/6C70DCF6-3434-49BA-BAC1-CD99D23B6D55/DoncasterSheffieldAirport?fbclid=IwAR1rLsBnUBFLBdZUTPlsBXBlhjKp21AHpOLRKp0sW1Ww5D8viwqNIcSiNzc#contribution-47BF2BAC-92E5-4A8D-9E33-92846B7EF79F
and
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2022-10-24/debates/4D724395-D3B2-498E-A7DF-962B3A940E54/DoncasterSheffieldAirport?fbclid=IwAR01OvmQhSXGa5QTV97NMal7RIwk-L68Q--Ttu_uCFtUSHlw0LEA2_TzW68#contribution-01A1E498-5243-486B-9204-A3B712D1AAC0
It’s clear reading those that Fletcher is manouvreing himself away from any blame. There was a public demonstration outside the Terminal building at the weekend, he was nowhere to be seen!
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The person who should be most held to account over this sorry state of affairs is Coppard. His refusal to either lend Peel, or purchase an equity share of the airport, in March, for 20 million, has cost thousands of jobs and untold millions in lost revenue to the area. It’s an absolute disgrace.
I'm not sure that it's quite as simple as tipping over £20m of public funds, whether that be for a stakehold, or loan, without asking questions of Peel. Peel who are a multi million pound company making huge profits, who could cover any shortfall very easily or obtain finance through other institutions should they wish.
What strings would be attached to a stakehold in terms of covering operational losses? I wonder whether Peel wanted the combined authority to cover more than their fair share of operational losses whilst they make the profits from the property side of the operation.
I think it was only reasonable therefore that during whatever discussions took place, SYMCA asked some questions, particularly, when it's been thought Peel weren't operating the airport to it's potential.
Fletcher obviously pointed the finger at SYMCA but Dan Jarvis refuted the claims and offered to talk Fletcher through the discussions.
I bet it's not a simple as saying £20m could have saved the airport. What's to say Peel would back again, asking for another £20m further down the line.
You could also argue if government had been quicker in approving funding for the Rail terminal development, Peel may have stuck with the vision they saw in their video of 2019, who knows.
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If they'd handed over public money without proper analysis of the books it would have been criminal, no justification for doing so.
I don't think the local authorities have been anything like as strong as they should have been but what support has government offered? Jack all as far as I can see.
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I get the impression that Oliver Coppard has very little interest in saving the Airport, the South and West Yorkshire regions are fully committed to pumping what money they have into the Bus services,
The Airport issue popped up out of the blue and is an unwanted distraction. I don't think Coppard even comprehends the financial blow which will impact the region! To be honest neither did I,£100 million is a lot of money to lose, Peel are talking about attracting high tech industries,well they own 800 acres around the Airport already that's a lot of space. I think they are after selling the 6 foot thick runway and then extracting the aggregates under it for a lot of money!
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Unfortunately I can't share that view Sproty. I think Coppard and the SYMCA have done all they realistically could do in a short space of time. That is bringing in private investors to the table. However, all along it seems Nick Fletcher has taken every opportunity to discredit the actions, or trying to make folk believe the non action, of SYMCA, inferring they have some magic power to force Peel to sell. Coppard has alot on his plate and only so much money to play with.
It is also emerging tonight that Peel may have employed a lobbying firm to influence Anne Marie Travellyan to push the narrative of the airport being non viable. It seemed quite clear to me she had either not done her homework, or not been briefed correctly about Peels history of running the airport amid concerns they were not exploiting it's full potential. It seems the Govt are being over protective of Peel and their business dealings if you ask me.
Meanwhile, it appears negotiations are still ongoing with Peel and even Fletcher has confirmed its a viable bid and he seems to have adopted a more conciliatory approach these last couple of days.
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The last tui with passengers has departed to Tenerife tonight. Next week it’s just passengers returning.
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What a sick situation.
City of Doncaster and City of Sheffield now being stripped of a regional airport
Peel are "gits" of that there is no doubt and I said earlier they are on a win win (as ever)
On the other hand is the Airport viable ? Peel pulled the same stunt at Tees Valley and then flogged out for (probably) a great profit but now the local Authority have to sustain the loss making Airport annually
That must involve higher Council Taxes (I am guessing) so would that be good for us to go the same way. It might boil down to would you pay £100 each year maybe to have the convenience of using DSA ?
Generally and anecdotally it costs much more for a trip to the same place if using say Manchester so simplistically you could be shelling out 100 quid for the privilege of paying even more to use DSA
Or do you think it's worth a ton to keep all the jobs but claw it back by using cheaper airports. Save 300 less the 100 and you've got 200 and kept local airport going
Simplistic figures used as examples but not a simple question
Me I think I'd pay via Council Tax to boost our economy , use the Airport if possible but get some back if possible as / when I use a different Airport
It is not a simple one to answer as lots of people won't ever fly so in that sense they would not see any direct benefits though they could benefit from the boost to the local economy
I don't have the answer(s) and by now it's probably "academic" as well
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Wolfie, your post show quite clearly why decisions like “save DSA” are always difficult to make.
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DW, I certainly would pay a bit more to keep the Airport. For one thing, a £12 taxi fare each way compared to travel to any other airport with fuel and parking makes it a no-brainer.
A crying shame we're losing it.
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There is a credible offer on the table, even Fletcher has said it is credible after all his posturing, it’s a shame he couldn’t get onside earlier given that the airport is in his constituency
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According to Peel there is no credible offer on the table Filo. During all this saga it's never been clear who has been telling the truth. Might be nice if whoever has come forward with this alleged offer stepped out of the shadows and forced the hand of either of the parties involved. You do get a feeling that it's all too little too late
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I would imagine that Peel WILL be right if Tees Valley was anything to go by
They bought the Site (DSA that is) got it going , attracted lots of business and got lots of investment in local infrastructure
However the killer blow it seems that even with the Cargo planes multiplying the civil aircraft didn't for reasons of Covid etc and the spiralling costs of using DSA for those Airlines. (That's a whole other question, in that did Peel hike the rates to make it less lucrative)
Whatever, Wizz stopped using it as a Base , wrongly reported (deliberately ? who knows) that they had stopped flying from DSA , maybe putting the boot in again ?
So I would say ( no s**t Sherlock) it is not viable at the moment and if taken over would NEED to attract loads and loads more traffic. Cargo should be no problem but the flights for thee and me would need to be expanded way beyond what they were at their "peak" to multi destinations and without huge price differential to encourage us to "stay more local"
Would that work ? Again I don't know and again all that agony I have written above may be academic
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Wolfie
Wizz Air pulled out in June because DSA wouldn't commit to continuing with their commercial agreement. Probably because they were announcing its closure a few weeks later.
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Yes , that's why if you gave me a Million quid (from your Celtic Gold winnings) and said bet it all on
Closing or Staying open I would say CLOSE
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There has been some inaccurate, verging on false reporting, particularly by the BBC, which seems to push Peels narrative of the airport being unviable and trying to paint SYMCA as incompetent. Peel have leaked information to the BBC deliberately to protect their business integrity.
The press haven't laid a glove on Peels motives and the 'influence' they have on planning and property decisions across the UK.
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According to Peel there is no credible offer on the table Filo. During all this saga it's never been clear who has been telling the truth. Might be nice if whoever has come forward with this alleged offer stepped out of the shadows and forced the hand of either of the parties involved. You do get a feeling that it's all too little too late
Peel have admitted there is a credible offer and the statement was due to a cock up due to emails apparently talks are ongoing
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I'm sorry to say I can't believe Peel would release any word whether official release or even a throwaway remark and get "seemingly confused" to this extent
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Pies why would you need a taxi. Anyone can park at the parrot corner park and ride for free with no limit and get a 5 minute bus to the terminal.
I can remember talking to one of the attendants who told me that he thought there were buses as cheap as chips to the airport from Barnsley and throughout the region. The last bit I can’t confirm. I can say I used it every week for about 18 months. I never used any flight that was empty and as a general rule the place was great.
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Phil, until it was mentioned on here I wasn't aware of the park n ride option. All seems somewhat academic now anyway but continue to hope for a miracle. Cheers.
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Pies why would you need a taxi. Anyone can park at the parrot corner park and ride for free with no limit and get a 5 minute bus to the terminal.
I can remember talking to one of the attendants who told me that he thought there were buses as cheap as chips to the airport from Barnsley and throughout the region. The last bit I can’t confirm. I can say I used it every week for about 18 months. I never used any flight that was empty and as a general rule the place was great.
Sure there is a service from Sheffield Pond street to the Airport
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Pies why would you need a taxi. Anyone can park at the parrot corner park and ride for free with no limit and get a 5 minute bus to the terminal.
I can remember talking to one of the attendants who told me that he thought there were buses as cheap as chips to the airport from Barnsley and throughout the region. The last bit I can’t confirm. I can say I used it every week for about 18 months. I never used any flight that was empty and as a general rule the place was great.
Sure there is a service from Sheffield Pond street to the Airport
There is. Or was anyway. About 30 mins journey time.
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Emirates Airline are rumoured to be the potential buyer, they want a European base
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Emirates Airline are rumoured to be the potential buyer, they want a European base
All that's been rumoured is UAE consortium so we can't assume it's Emirates Airlines.
On face value sounds extremely positive. Also reported on Look North that it's understood to he 'an above market price' offer.
If this comes off, can't wait for Nick Fletcher to congratulate SYMCA for 'doing the right thing'.
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Peel still saying they've not received a credible offer, though a middle east consortium are believed to have made one, and are now saying they have no evidence that the funds are available.
Peel need to give it more time, so that they can complete their due diligence.
They need to accept the council's offer of a funded extention.
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It's Sequentia Airways in association with Louis Tomlinson isn't it?
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I'm sure that what they say publicly and what's going on are separate things. As ever with these things it needs time. I feel for the staff who don't have that. There are real complications with consultations etc if timelines are changed and that's an issue they'll be considering too.
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In a joint statement by the local authorities they have confirmed that one of the potential investors have submitted a substantial offer. Talks are ongoing and the aviation minister is scheduled to speak to Peel tomorrow. The general feeling appears to be that Peel don't want to sell or save the airport
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In a joint statement by the local authorities they have confirmed that one of the potential investors have submitted a substantial offer. Talks are ongoing and the aviation minister is scheduled to speak to Peel tomorrow. The general feeling appears to be that Peel don't want to sell or save the airport
If the substantial offer is genuine and Peel are adamant that they don’t wish to sell to another operator to take over the airport operations then could it not be the case that the council could have the site compulsory purchased as a site of specific interest and then sell to a consortium that would run the operations as required?
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In a joint statement by the local authorities they have confirmed that one of the potential investors have submitted a substantial offer. Talks are ongoing and the aviation minister is scheduled to speak to Peel tomorrow. The general feeling appears to be that Peel don't want to sell or save the airport
If the substantial offer is genuine and Peel are adamant that they don’t wish to sell to another operator to take over the airport operations then could it not be the case that the council could have the site compulsory purchased as a site of specific interest and then sell to a consortium that would run the operations as required?
In an ideal world , this would happen.
But money talks, Peel will find a way to continue with their plans for the site & the fortune they will make from it. Thats what they do.
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The council should just turn down every planning permission that peel request for
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The council have said that they will pursue a CPO if Peel carry on as they are doing. The downside is that it won't stop the closure of the airport and could take up to two years with Peel no doubt making a strong legal challenge
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The council should just turn down every planning permission that peel request for
They DO turn down Planning for all such things across the Country but then senior Politicians " intervene"
Read just one ... Jenrick ... Sacked for doing that and now back as Immigration Minister but saved his mate 45 million quid and thus stopping local council gaining 30 million quid that WAS going into public services.
Desmond then gave "just " 15,000 to Conservative Party.
Below are a few controversies but this bit is perhaps a good summary of the "worst"
The 39-year-old faced calls to be sacked in 2020 after he sat next to the developer and former media mogul Richard Desmond at a Tory party fundraiser and subsequently helped him avoid a £45m tax bill on an east London development. Mr Desmond later donated £12,000 to the Conservatives.
Mr Jenrick later admitted helping the former porn baron save millions in levies by overruling the local council, describing it as “natural justice”. He said he regretted sitting next to Mr Desmond and swapping text messages with him.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11280472/who-robert-jenrick-coronavirus-conferences-housing-secretary/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11280472/who-robert-jenrick-coronavirus-conferences-housing-secretary/)
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He also secured £30million Town fund cash for Newark, despite it being something like 230th on the list.
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The council should just turn down every planning permission that peel request for
They DO turn down Planning for all such things across the Country but then senior Politicians " intervene"
Read just one ... Jenrick ... Sacked for doing that and now back as Immigration Minister but saved his mate 45 million quid and thus stopping local council gaining 30 million quid that WAS going into public services.
Desmond then gave "just " 15,000 to Conservative Party.
Below are a few controversies but this bit is perhaps a good summary of the "worst"
The 39-year-old faced calls to be sacked in 2020 after he sat next to the developer and former media mogul Richard Desmond at a Tory party fundraiser and subsequently helped him avoid a £45m tax bill on an east London development. Mr Desmond later donated £12,000 to the Conservatives.
Mr Jenrick later admitted helping the former porn baron save millions in levies by overruling the local council, describing it as “natural justice”. He said he regretted sitting next to Mr Desmond and swapping text messages with him.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11280472/who-robert-jenrick-coronavirus-conferences-housing-secretary/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11280472/who-robert-jenrick-coronavirus-conferences-housing-secretary/)
Point of fact. Jenrick wasn't sacked for that. Outright corruption like that was fine under Johnson.
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The council should just turn down every planning permission that peel request for
They DO turn down Planning for all such things across the Country but then senior Politicians " intervene"
Read just one ... Jenrick ... Sacked for doing that and now back as Immigration Minister but saved his mate 45 million quid and thus stopping local council gaining 30 million quid that WAS going into public services.
Desmond then gave "just " 15,000 to Conservative Party.
Below are a few controversies but this bit is perhaps a good summary of the "worst"
The 39-year-old faced calls to be sacked in 2020 after he sat next to the developer and former media mogul Richard Desmond at a Tory party fundraiser and subsequently helped him avoid a £45m tax bill on an east London development. Mr Desmond later donated £12,000 to the Conservatives.
Mr Jenrick later admitted helping the former porn baron save millions in levies by overruling the local council, describing it as “natural justice”. He said he regretted sitting next to Mr Desmond and swapping text messages with him.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11280472/who-robert-jenrick-coronavirus-conferences-housing-secretary/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11280472/who-robert-jenrick-coronavirus-conferences-housing-secretary/)
I think this is what will happen in this case. All the government have done is basically support Peel despite publicly saying 'they will do all they can.." by continually supporting the non viable narrative. They also commend Nick Fletcher in his tireless efforts to save the airport, without actually doing anything to support him or the campaign. They have not given any such words of support for Oliver Coppard, Ros Jones and combined authority for actually doing something to bring a deal to the table.
The only thing they appear to have done is 'encourage' Peel to go through the motions of listening to offers put to them.
I think they are fully aware of Peels intentions for the site. You watch, the council will apply for the CPO and it'll be kicked out on a technicality, then despite the council intending to withhold planning permissions for change of use, they will be overridden. It matters not about public opinion, levelling up, or any thought of a strategic transport policy as they will see the airport as expendable as it sits within a Labour controlled authority where the political damage will be limited.
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RJ is fully across what peel are doing of course
https://www.facebook.com/MayorRos/
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Ros Jones is astonished that Peel refused the offer that had been made, however the conglomerate has made an improved offer, which she says is way above the market value.
Talks still ongoing.
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Ros Jones is astonished that Peel refused the offer that had been made, however the conglomerate has made an improved offer, which she says is way above the market value.
Talks still ongoing.
It’s obvious Peel are playing everyone, they won’t sell because they want to develop the land and mineral rights
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I fear you're right Filo
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Ros Jones is astonished that Peel refused the offer that had been made, however the conglomerate has made an improved offer, which she says is way above the market value.
Talks still ongoing.
It’s obvious Peel are playing everyone, they won’t sell because they want to develop the land and mineral rights
That there's been an improved offer suggests they are playing it right, like it or not.
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Ros Jones is astonished that Peel refused the offer that had been made, however the conglomerate has made an improved offer, which she says is way above the market value.
Talks still ongoing.
It’s obvious Peel are playing everyone, they won’t sell because they want to develop the land and mineral rights
That there's been an improved offer suggests they are playing it right, like it or not.
If they were serious the Council bridging funding would have been taken
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So despite the substantial improved offer Peel are still saying they haven't received a credible offer. Pity they didn't have the balls to be interviewed on TV to explain what they mean by credible
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Emotional last message from last TUI planes pilot.
Goodbye DSA I guess ....Are Peel smashing stuff up already ?
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He also secured £30million Town fund cash for Newark, despite it being something like 230th on the list.
I met Jenrick just before he became a MP, horrible smug little man
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He also secured £30million Town fund cash for Newark, despite it being something like 230th on the list.
I met Jenrick just before he became a MP, horrible smug little man
Met him at last years Remembrance Day services in Newark.......... he comes across as a right whingy scrote..
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Still wonder if Peel as owners can start ripping it to bits ?
Or is there any protection left ?
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He also secured £30million Town fund cash for Newark, despite it being something like 230th on the list.
I met Jenrick just before he became a MP, horrible smug little man
Met him at last years Remembrance Day services in Newark.......... he comes across as a right whingy scrote..
He agreed with some other Tory MP whose Constituency was also way way down the pecking order to nominate each other's Constituencies
I'd normally say "you couldn't make it up" but you don't have to. It won't be illegal of course , but immoral ? Probably
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He also secured £30million Town fund cash for Newark, despite it being something like 230th on the list.
I met Jenrick just before he became a MP, horrible smug little man
Remember. actions speak louder than words from these types of individuals and this one's an old hand at it.
But is it anymore sleezy than MP's from all sections of the political agenda who were caught flip flopping their mortgage expense payments because it was more advantageous for them, in some cases we even had husband and wife couples who decided it was the right thing to do to defraud the taxpayer for two lots for the same properties.
What i never understood is why when it was clearly established that the "fraud" had been committed, individuals were allowed to pay back the over claimed expenses and nothing more was said about the matter. If this was you or i then im sure the authorities would of been, shall we say a tadge more interested in the matter, as in jail time !!
And these are supposed to constitute the nations "leaders"
Corrupt scum.
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.... third time lucky
Does anyone actually know if Peel could take bulldozers etc and just knock the Terminal down OR is there something legal stopping them
Probably need Planning consent
So same question can they take diggers to the runway and put it out of use ?
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.... third time lucky
Does anyone actually know if Peel could take bulldozers etc and just knock the Terminal down OR is there something legal stopping them
Probably need Planning consent
So same question can they take diggers to the runway and put it out of use ?
It's their train set (or in this case, airport) so I would imagine they can do what they like with it.
Presumably there is no covenant on the land from when it was sold by the MoD requiring it to be used as an airport for a specified period or in perpetuity.
They may need consent to demolish buildings, but no substantial reason for DMBC to be able to refuse this and even if they did, then no doubt Peel would appeal to the Secretary of State and get it overturned, same as ant new buildings they want to put on the site.
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I believe no planning permission can be granted for at least 15 years and there is some sort of legal agreement stopping Peel removing the airport equipment and safety equipment for the time being.
Theres lots going off in the background and according to whats been said talks are ongoing between the middle east consortium and due diligence is being carried out by both sides all is not over yet!!
The only things being removed at the moment are the franchisee's equipment ie Wetherspoons Costa, wh smith which by all accounts is quite normal in this type of circumstance. The fight is ongoing
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Donny Council applied for a court order to stop Peel dismantling vital operational equipment. Whether this was successful or not Peel agreed to keep the airport in an active state, with skeleton staff/firefighters till the end of the month.
Only today, a 727 took off (the oil spill aircraft I think).
The Vulcan has also been granted permission to stay until mid 2023.
These maybe positive signs that Peel are taking the negotiations seriously.
Edit. Appears the last Wizz Air departure left just over an hour ago.
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Good to know thanks
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I assume that the National Police Airservice has a right to operate, I read somewhere that they built a hangar and have four fixed wing Aircraft bases there. I doubt that they will be going anywhere until Peel find them a new home and pay out millions in compensation.
Unless of course the Police used a bunch of thickest to organise their contract. Which I strongly doubt!
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Given the strategic importance of the runway (one of very few in Europe that is 3km long and can therefore take the very heaviest planes) I'd be amazed if there wasn't some Govt control over digging up the runway.
Then again, gas storage...
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Exactly, BST.
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Common misconception not even close to being longest in UK nevermind Europe. Was in the 60s but not now.
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The UAE Consortium are intriguing,Must have vast financial resources.not fazed about, TUI and Whizz gone, must have had assurances from The Region and Local council on whatever their development entails!
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Common misconception not even close to being longest in UK nevermind Europe. Was in the 60s but not now.
Is that right? Did Finningley get shortened or were other, longer ones built?
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11th longest runway in the Country
https://www.bigorre.org/aero/ranking/long_gb/en
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Wow ... I've fallen for that too. Always believed we would see A380s touching down " as there are no other runways long enough to take them"
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Well damn me!
Thank you Filo. That is a most helpful link. Living where I do I have spent over 30 years believing the local folk lore that the runway at Fairford was used as an emergency landing ground for the space shuttles because it is the longest runway in Europe. Clearly, it ain't! A space shuttle has been here though. There's a photo of it in the local pub. Interesting airfield nevertheless. The first time Concorde ever took off it landed here. It stayed here for the months and months of subsequent flight testing. Laurie Lee wrote an article about it after being invited up for a flight. Some of the Arnhem flights took off from Fairford too. And, of course, we regularly witness flights of U2's setting off to spy on people, squadrons of B52's setting off to bomb people and even Air Force 1 bringing a certain President to lean on people. We get the Stealth fighters and bombers turning up from time to time too. That bomber is the weirdest thing you will ever see.
BobG
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It won't be landing a Leeds Bradford, even if it was still flying
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BobG
I watched Rovers v Oxford one time then went to visit mate near Stroud** for weekend
B 52s were at Fairford so I went for a look. It was during Iraq war at the time
and I just had to see them.
I went round and round then said there's nothing here , what a b****r
I then was hit by extreme remorse as I thought here I am disappointed not to see one while the poor people they were visiting were getting the benefit of a visit from them. I felt guilty
At that point one taxied out . Ffs I'd never seen anything like it either before or since
** Kings Stanley ?
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Well damn me!
Thank you Filo. That is a most helpful link. Living where I do I have spent over 30 years believing the local folk lore that the runway at Fairford was used as an emergency landing ground for the space shuttles because it is the longest runway in Europe. Clearly, it ain't! A space shuttle has been here though. There's a photo of it in the local pub. Interesting airfield nevertheless. The first time Concorde ever took off it landed here. It stayed here for the months and months of subsequent flight testing. Laurie Lee wrote an article about it after being invited up for a flight. Some of the Arnhem flights took off from Fairford too. And, of course, we regularly witness flights of U2's setting off to spy on people, squadrons of B52's setting off to bomb people and even Air Force 1 bringing a certain President to lean on people. We get the Stealth fighters and bombers turning up from time to time too. That bomber is the weirdest thing you will ever see.
BobG
Only went to Finningly Air Show once, a wt foggy day. Concorde was scheduled to make a touchdown. Over the speakers came "Concorde is arriving in 5 mins" heads craned towards the sound of incoming aircraft, out of the fog came the white streamlined shape of Concorde landing gear down. In it came not slowing much wheels touched the ground a cloud of smoke from the tyres and up it went and off again. It had touched down!
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Tell you what as well, I work at Newquay airport worked at Donny for its first 12yrs. Dispite what the website says Newquay is longer than Donny's! on its main cat111 end it has displaced threshold making it smaller, going the cat1 way it's actually longer. Look after the lights so know how many runway center lines there are at each. We've just got in the cosmic girl for the upcoming virgin Orbit launches. For this they'll be using the longer end straight out to sea!!
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Sadly, Auckley, my knowledge of aviation vernacular isn't very much. Any chance you could translate your last message into something an ignoramus like me could understand?
Cheers!
BobG
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I remember walking down the road, mid afternoon, to watch the B52's taking off to flatten Libya back when Gadaffi was annoying the Yanks. There was snow on the ground. One time one of the planes seemed to take an inordinate amount of time and runway to get airborne. It was obviously struggling. Turned out that it headed west for the sea outside Bristol somewhere to make a very large hole in the water before coming back to land. Normally they got back around 3 am. There was a suggestion they went on to Diego Garcia to refuel before coming back but I dunno if that's realistic. Saw the bombs though. They used to block the road while they carted a load across from the bomb dump.
Concorde used to turn up nearly every year at RIAT - along with all sorts of interesting planes. I had a close (very close!) view of those two Mig 29's as they hit each other, and of an Australian F 111 that trailled a long, long streak of fire right along the runway as its pilot opened some valve while the reheat was turned on. Spectacular that was. A Russian Hind pretendíng to attack the airfield was the most sinister and evil looking machine I have ever seen. The Bear was a brilliant reminder of 1950's and 60's nuclear preparation. Contra rotating airscrews and tail guns! And my all time favourite: the Mig 29 with its awesomely tight turns, its tail slides and its pilots who didn't care if they stressed the airfame or not As far as I know no NATO plane even today has ever been able to do a tail slide. The Sukhoi 27 was another deeply impressive plane to watch. But the Russians stopped coming to RIAT 10 years ago or more. The show is poorer for their absence.
BobG
Later. Just remembered the time the Russians brought along a Mig 21 as a gift for the RAF. They had a mock dogfight between that and I think an early Sabre. Lol. The difference between those planes and those of 20 years later! The Mig 21 has the turning circle of an oil tanker. The Mig 29 has the turning circle of my bicycle.
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Sorry Bob. The declared runway length isn't necessarily the actual tarmac length. Donny has a turning circle at each end as does Newquay this allows large aircraft to do a u turn and vacate at a major junction to park. Newquay also has a starter extension which allows aircraft to be rolling before they enter the declared runway. Runway center line lights are every ten meters there's 189 at Donny and 208 at Newquay. Newquay also wider than Donny again not declared width but tarmacked. Donny's runway edge is at the grass Newquays same size but has 20meters each side of unused tarmac.
Newquay was also a US base and first stop off for anything coming over the pond.
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Cheers Auckleyflyer ... That's clued me up and sure bob g will feel same
Coincidentally I was in Auckleyfryer on Friday ... Med fish med and mushy peas £12.20. I've had cheaper flights than that :lol:
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Donny wolf it's where I got the name from! Lived in Auckley while I worked there!
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Sorry Bob. The declared runway length isn't necessarily the actual tarmac length. Donny has a turning circle at each end as does Newquay this allows large aircraft to do a u turn and vacate at a major junction to park. Newquay also has a starter extension which allows aircraft to be rolling before they enter the declared runway. Runway center line lights are every ten meters there's 189 at Donny and 208 at Newquay. Newquay also wider than Donny again not declared width but tarmacked. Donny's runway edge is at the grass Newquays same size but has 20meters each side of unused tarmac.
Newquay was also a US base and first stop off for anything coming over the pond.
I don.t profess to be an aviation expert but i looked at both Doncaster and Newquay on google earth. Under which ever metric you choose (and there's not much difference ) Total tarmac length, operational length, landing strip length, width(from the painted line running edge)Donny just about trumps it.
All counts for nothing though if they allow Peel's plan to come to fruition.
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Donny wolf it's where I got the name from! Lived in Auckley while I worked there!
Nice place to live I reckon. Caught my first ever fish there in '63 I suppose.
Eagle & Child still packing them in , and Auckleyfryer was in top 3 best Yorkshire chippies recently in Yorkshire Post (despite the prices)
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Danum. I agree they are close in size and both fabulous assets, that can take any aircraft in service. Such a shame to loose it! Though I'm sure something will happen to keep it going as an airfield.
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It's not just about the length and width, its also about the substrate. At DSA the runway has considerable depth below the tarmac topping right up until the very edge, it had to be constructed like that to take the weight of the Vulcan bombers.
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In my time at both airports they take annual core samples of the runway for analysis. Vulcans weren't that heavy! Used to use echo and alpha taxi ways for example the larger stuff had to use the runway and Charlie? On the odd occasion the Vulcan was parked on alpha apron it was smaller than standard 737s
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Yep, Vulcans really weren't that heavy.
Maximum takeoff weight was about 1/8th of the Antonov 225 that used to fly in and out of Donny.
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Yep, Vulcans really weren't that heavy.
Maximum takeoff weight was about 1/8th of the Antonov 225 that used to fly in and out of Donny.
When they modified the runway to take the V Bombers samples were taken off every Colliery slag heap in the region and the Stainforth slag was found to be the most durable so that's what they used to build the runway.
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Rather than concrete?
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Any news on the airport?
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Nadal, zilch , nowt that I have heard.
Let's hope no news is good news but with Peel I doubt it
I've been pessimistic since I saw their first announcement and still think they are crafty b******s with a win win situation in their portfolio (NOT for the first time ... they are past masters at this )
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"closure of airspace and suspension of licence for DSA has been paused until further notice
So Peel have stopped / paused the closure of the airspace which means the licence will not stop tomorrow as they planned
This also is a step in the right direction as it is now still an airport and sellable as such !!"
Things are ongoing taken from Save DSA site
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Save DSA also ran a link to Jet2 who have announced they are looking to double their fleet in the next 5 years, they have 146 Aircraft on order. That's a lot of Aircraft to ly out of LBA ,or even park up!
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Consultations on job losses have also been paused, lets hope this is a sign of progress
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Oliver Coppard is holding a meeting at the Racecourse tonight which might shed more light on these things, although he is not directly involved in the negotiations.
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Was watching my Vid of First flight out Tui to Majorca
Big crowd , all proud and potentially thinking wow , the sky is the limit
Now it looks so sad and bleak that we become a City and no Airport now
Just hoping someone steps in but I'm in the Peel will do what Peel want to do camp
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Ros Jones fb
............ ''At Doncaster Council Full Council meeting yesterday we got unanimous cross party support for our efforts in trying to save Doncaster Sheffield Airport. This month Doncaster Council filed legal proceedings seeking a Judicial Review of the decision to close the Airport - and the process followed by Peel in reaching that decision'' ................
https://www.facebook.com/MayorRos/
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Just had this sent
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Can you translate the abbreviations please I get the DSA what are the others?
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Can you translate the abbreviations please I get the DSA what are the others?
ATS= Air Traffic Service
NOTAM= Notice to Air Men
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Nadal, zilch , nowt that I have heard.
Let's hope no news is good news but with Peel I doubt it
I've been pessimistic since I saw their first announcement and still think they are crafty b******s with a win win situation in their portfolio (NOT for the first time ... they are past masters at this )
Rafa Nadal part of the consortium is he?
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Consultations on job losses have also been paused, lets hope this is a sign of progress
Might be a bit late for that, all the DSA staff, and ex-staff, had their leaving do last night.
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According to reports in the press today talks have stalled because according to Peel they haven't been given full details of where the money is coming from. There's an awful lot of twists and turns before this saga is played out one way or another
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According to reports in the press today talks have stalled because according to Peel they haven't been given full details of where the money is coming from. There's an awful lot of twists and turns before this saga is played out one way or another
On the Save DSA site Mark has been assured talks are ongoing but someone (i wonder who? ) is trying to discredit them plus as usual from the press it seems to be a bit of a mish mash of old stories
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Equally, who's feeding him that info and why?
Talks like this will be very sensitive and the funding piece will have to be very clear for legal reasons. There won't be a quick fix, you can't buy an airport in a few weeks.
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/6215776988448627
Mark ChadwickSAVE Doncaster Sheffield Airport
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There seems to be a few bits happening so I thought I'd add a little update
All the internal passenger services have left and all fixtures and fittings have been removed
Wetherspoons, Costa, subway, whsmiths, World duty free have removed all their property
Swiss Air have taken all their equipment away and staff have moved on some to other swissport contracts and some have taken redundancy
Last week friday the CAA airspace and airport licence was to be suspended by Peel.
On Thursday this was
Postponed until further notice
this means that the airport site must stay compliant and operational
So at present There is staff still working at DSA
We have
Air Traffic Control
Security
Fire service
Operations
Engineering
All security equipment the x Ray machines the baggage handling and checkin is all still there and operational passport control etc all in place
These have to be there so that the airport stays compliant and still operational for licensing purposes
The cargo/freight operation was closed down some time ago yet some cargo staff is still employed by Peel
And we shouldn't forget consort aviation fixed operating base for private jets closed same time as Cargo and still employed by Peel as well
At present it's still an operational airport with no passenger or cargo flights
Now I'm sure this is a terrible situation for the staff to be in and my heart goes out to them speaking to some over the last few weeks working at dsa isn't a job it's like having another family it's the best job in the world for most staff.
Some staff still there have new jobs to go to but can't leave as they would loose any redundancy payments due if they left.
Some don't want to leave and are staying no matter what seeing it out to the end until we get an answer from these ongoing talks
Press articles were released yesterday and today stating that talks have stalled between Peel and the UAE investors as they (peel) cannot prove if The UAE Investors have the relevant funds and that the people are credible and they can have a sale with them
I was reliably informed that info in these articles was false news to cause disruption and that an NDA has probably been broken by releasing the investors identities
So talks are still ongoing this hiccup is part and parcel of this type of deal
You sell a house an offer is made your solicitor would check the offer is good and that they have the relevant mortgage/funds in place the buyer would be checking that you own the property and can sell it and also having surveys done on the property etc
So the discussions and possible sale of the airport will take some time and there will be a large number of steps involved to get there.
Tomorrow DMBC are in court to get an injunction/ judicial review what ever they want to call it
To stop Peel doing anything to the airport site, i believe the subject of the court case is that Peel must keep the airport fully compliant and operational while talks are ongoing so theres no removal of assets and keep staff and licensing in place, and also to review Peels closure procedures
Tomorrow's a big day and it all depends on the result from the courts as to the next steps
I hope Peel are forced into a corner that they find hard to get out of and may well have to keep talking to and sell the airport to the investors
Keeping the airport operational
they may realise that they have to sell the airport Now and take what's been offered
an above market value offer or risk the fight on a CPO and then get a lot less for it if its valued as a field rather than an airport
Peel will stop talking to the investors and do what they want to
DMBC hand is then forced and they have to carry out the threatened CPO which will take some time and the airport will close until all is carried out
So let's.all hope for an outcome in DMBCs favour
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Any news??
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I've had a dream.
It will be saved.
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All air traffic controllers are to be made redundant at 23:59 on 2nd December
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I've had a dream.
It will be saved.
How do you save a dream?
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I've had a dream.
It will be saved.
How do you save a dream?
I keep them under my nightcap.
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All air traffic controllers are to be made redundant at 23:59 on 2nd December
Sounds like its the end then. Proper pisses me off cos im sure in the right hands the airport would be a gold mine. Wont get any help from this lot in charge of the country.’k
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It is more valuable than the sum of its parts ... that's for sure.
It would be a great loss to the local economy whereas as you say it could still be a real gold mine in the hands of someone who wanted to make it work and take advantage of its advantages
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All air traffic controllers are to be made redundant at 23:59 on 2nd December
Sounds like its the end then. Proper pisses me off cos im sure in the right hands the airport would be a gold mine. Wont get any help from this lot in charge of the country.’k
Apparently this goes against a legal agreement between the Council and Peel oh and guess who the air traffic controllers are employed by............ you've guessed it one of the many companies under the Peel umbrella
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All air traffic controllers are to be made redundant at 23:59 on 2nd December
Sounds like its the end then. Proper pisses me off cos im sure in the right hands the airport would be a gold mine. Wont get any help from this lot in charge of the country.’k
Apparently this goes against a legal agreement between the Council and Peel oh and guess who the air traffic controllers are employed by............ you've guessed it one of the many companies under the Peel umbrella
And therein lies the problem as to why there will never be the option to assess if it is making money or not as the trading between their companies is so segregated you'd never see the true underlying position. Sad to see their threat around making the company insolvent. The way they set their companies up appears at best immoral and no doubt they'll have expensive lawyers who've assessed it all to be legal.
If the government truly wants local people to have a say in their area, they'll allow the LA power to refuse any further development. Unfortunately I doubt the owners care about that and there should be strong financial penalties in place on vacant land. A proper mess!
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For those of you who remember ICI, at one point in their history - 1980's? - they adopted an intra company trading model. In other words, each separate subsiodiary company of the overall ICI bought and sold their internal material and product requirements at prices designed to ensure that every internal company was profitable. It worked.
The snag was that piling margin on margin, and often, on margin again, led to final end user sales prices being so staggeringly expensive that no real customer with actual real pound notes bought anything at all. The individial component companies within ICI were trading profitably but the overall ICI conglomerate was losing money so fast it would have gone bankrupt without a change of policy.
Now, apply that trading model to Peel. Chuffing easy to demonstrate losing money in any parituclar operation you desire.
BobG
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I somehow get the feeling Peel have been tipped off about the outcome of the judicial review/court injunction however, as far as we know negotiations are still ongoing with the UAE investors.
Only once those talks are exhausted will DMBC go ahead with compulsory purchase but that means it will take much longer to get the airport back up and running, and I would guess we would still need the interest of the new investors if they are prepared to wait for the CPO to conclude.
If they back out, then I think that will be curtains for the airport. Further down the line, how long do you keep refusing planning permission to Peel when there could be scope for inward investment? Yes, Peel get their way in the end but chucking alot of public money at this without any private backing would be very risky.
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Courts rule against Doncaster Council, no judicial review
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Courts rule against Doncaster Council, no judicial review
Cpo now being started but statement in free press saying talks are still ongoing with prospective buyers
https://www.facebook.com/100046941052068/posts/pfbid02gg7cxANfWKEdCE6amKkFs55t6BbHJcG9NisiW1y8xB4ftkyw4TA916CCrYwJczz8l/
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The judgement is interesting reading. Essentially the judgement to me reads as though they've concluded the airport is a business not a public asset and that Peel took the right steps to conclude other uses are best for it financially for them (as is their right). In some ways that is hard to deny. I feel that gets to the crux of the CPO aswell, it's tough to see there being enough grounds to complete that you'd think.
I'd say the only way it survives is if the buy out is accepted and goes ahead.
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The judgement is interesting reading. Essentially the judgement to me reads as though they've concluded the airport is a business not a public asset and that Peel took the right steps to conclude other uses are best for it financially for them (as is their right). In some ways that is hard to deny. I feel that gets to the crux of the CPO aswell, it's tough to see there being enough grounds to complete that you'd think.
I'd say the only way it survives is if the buy out is accepted and goes ahead.
Will Peel risk the cpo being successful and them getting basically a pittance or take the "well above market price offer" At least the discussions are still ongoing with the potential buyers
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Don’t know how true this is, posted on an aviation forum
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You would think that a rational business decision would be made with regard to Peel. If the offer on the table is "above market value" and with the Council looking to make every future step they take fraught with litigation and the possibility of sitting on an asset they cannot capitalise then the sensible thing would be to take the money and run.
But then we are talking a true business predator who have been in situations where a similar outcome is possible and have been successful in getting their way, money and friends in high places will always help.
Praise should be given to all interested parties who have managed to get it this far, even if it ultimately fails.
My opinion of certain political individuals has been reviewed for the better.
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Don’t know how true this is, posted on an aviation forum
Usually a good source PPRUNE
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How ironic that 10,000 tonnes of air freight that used to go through DSA is now going to Teeside airport, once owned by Peel and bought by the local council after Peel decided it wasn't viable
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There's a bit more here on that, thanks for posting phil.
''Two Boeing 727's owned by 2Excel Aviation and operating on behalf of Oil Spill Response Limited were relocated to Teesside Airport from Doncaster Sheffield Airport in November 2022. The aircraft are deployed anywhere in the world in the event of a major oil spill to spray dispersant material.[65]''
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teesside_International_Airport
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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/transport/doncaster-sheffield-airport-doncaster-council-offered-lease-by-owners-peel-to-run-airport-which-closed-in-2022-4088389
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As previously reported!
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=287572.0
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125 year lease signed!
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https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/UKDONCO/bulletins/391c699
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125 year lease signed!
Nick Fletcher will be outside the terminal building with his camera taking the credit as we speak
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Massive news, sooner we get this open again the better.
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125 year lease signed!
Nick Fletcher will be outside the terminal building with his camera taking the credit as we speak
I'd be more surprised if Angela Rayner doesn't get the credit following her visit to Bentley the other night.
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Massive praise to Ros Jones who diligently stuck to the plan and was determined to see this through, looks like its going to come good for her, so a big well done to her.
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Really great news and let's hope the new operator can deliver on it's potential and in time, the folk of South Yorkshire see it as their first choice when possible.
In addition, let's hope the ECML connection is made which should make it one of the best connected airports. both for leisure and business.
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I have no idea what Nick Fletcher did or didn’t do with regards getting the deal over the line but I can remember him highlighting quite a few times on the news that the airport should be reopened.
He did keep it in vogue.
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Praise to Ros Jones and Nik Fletcher.
Oliver in the Buses showed his ineptitude when he
Sat back and let Peel close it down, he then took months to realise he had undermined the City status of Doncaster got the whole Mayoral region downgraded in comparison to all the other plates which have Airports, he really made himself look second rate compared to Burnham and Brabhum and Co!
As for Nilliband! He has done absolutely nothing together with Dame Rosie!
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I have no idea what Nick Fletcher did or didn’t do with regards getting the deal over the line but I can remember him highlighting quite a few times on the news that the airport should be reopened.
He did keep it in vogue.
He obviously led the whole thing hound.
It wasn't Ros Jones and her cabinet that worked hard for months on end to see this result, and threatening Peel with a CPO, it was Nick having his photo taken outside the Airport that did the trick.
I'm sure he was right when he wrote that the Council had closed it in the first place.
You can't trust them hound, you old wind up merchant.
Vote T.... Oh I forgot.
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125 year lease signed!
Nick Fletcher will be outside the terminal building with his camera taking the credit as we speak
Probably using an old photo with Planes in the background
Anyway that said I think this should be an apolitical topic on here
Personally I don't care who has done what or not done what to get us back to this point , and as bfyp posted just above :
Massive news, sooner we get this open again the better.
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I have no idea what Nick Fletcher did or didn’t do with regards getting the deal over the line but I can remember him highlighting quite a few times on the news that the airport should be reopened.
He did keep it in vogue.
He obviously led the whole thing hound.
It wasn't Ros Jones and her cabinet that worked hard for months on end to see this result, and threatening Peel with a CPO, it was Nick having his photo taken outside the Airport that did the trick.
I'm sure he was right when he wrote that the Council had closed it in the first place.
You can't trust them hound, you old wind up merchant.
Vote T.... Oh I forgot.
Tommy, Tommy, you nearly forgot I am in your team now.
You are stretching it a bit, suggesting that I said he had done the whole job himself.
All I said was that he kept it in vogue by speaking publicly about it reopening.
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I must admit, I never thought in a million years that the airport would reopen. I can’t imagine how difficult the negotiations must have been.
How might it affect local council taxes though?
Well done to Donny Council for turning this around. They’ve definitely pulled this out the bag.
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Praise to Ros Hines and Nik Fletcher.
Oliver in the Buses showed his ineptitude when he
Sat back and let Peel close it down, he then took months to realise he had undermined the City status of Doncaster got the whole Mayoral region downgraded in ComoAriin to all the other plates which have Airports, he really made himself look second rate compared to Burnham and Brabhum and Co!
As for Nilliband! He has done absolutely nothing together with Dame Rosie!
To be fair, I’ve seen Milliband on TV twice talking about the airport and how reopening it is vital for the local economy. Maybe we watch different TV channels?
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Won't have far to go to catch the plane when Grant gets us into Europe then
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Big up to Truss who promised when PM she would ensure that DSA would be reopened
She might have f****d us over in the grand scheme of things but by god she can keep a promise
Apolitical to the last that's me. Get the place open.
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Really great news and let's hope the new operator can deliver on it's potential and in time, the folk of South Yorkshire see it as their first choice when possible.
In addition, let's hope the ECML connection is made which should make it one of the best connected airports. both for leisure and business.
Don't forget East Mids as well. Yes we've got E Mids airport but Donny is by far the best I've flown from
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I have laughed at some of the reporting on this great news totally inaccurate Doncaster Council has no experience in running an Airport, errrm they know that hence the other discussions with experienced operators and by the bits Ive read/seen they are pretty close to a deal with a successful European airport operator and investors, Oh LBA and Manchester are only 30/40 miles away errrm try getting to them from Donny and the surrounds, Theres Humberside airport just up the way, yes they have a great choice of flights ................ They will need to attract lts of low cost operators to start with yes But Peel deliberately had a modus operandi that would ensure the "airport" would never make a profit, so many intertwined Peel owned companies all paper shuffling invoices around charging each other extortionate fees ......................
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I have no idea what Nick Fletcher did or didn’t do with regards getting the deal over the line but I can remember him highlighting quite a few times on the news that the airport should be reopened.
He did keep it in vogue.
He obviously led the whole thing hound.
It wasn't Ros Jones and her cabinet that worked hard for months on end to see this result, and threatening Peel with a CPO, it was Nick having his photo taken outside the Airport that did the trick.
I'm sure he was right when he wrote that the Council had closed it in the first place.
You can't trust them hound, you old wind up merchant.
Vote T.... Oh I forgot.
What Fletcher did was continuously lobby the local Labour Mayor Coppard to utilise funding streams he has access to due to devolution to the tune of £2.4 billion. Coppard did his level best to claim he had no such resources and in any case could not spend a penny on the Airport, it got to the point where the Government had to step in and tell Coppard that he could spend his funds on reopening the Airport! Ollie the wally actually tried to play politics and went on to claim the Government was preventing him from spending £30 million allocated for the construction of a Rail link into DSA.
It was all a bit embarrassing really, as he had hoisted himself by his own Petard by failing to lend Peel £20 million which caused them to close it, He has gradually realised that he had undermined the City of Doncaster and also severely reduced his own place in the Pecking order of other Northern Mayors, such as Burnham and co. He had walked into a job where he was a lower Premiership manager and by his own stupidity and lack of foresight he lowered his status to a lowly league 2 manager, South Yorkshhire had under his tenure moved from being a large Metropolitain region boasting its own international Airport boasting an 800 acre advanced engineering business park(Gate way East) to the only Metropolitan area without an
Airport! Plus any interest in companies thinking about moving onto Gateway East had wilted. Thankfully those pesky Tories have made the area a development zone and provided £160 worth of funding ..how dare they!
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Not sure if this is relevant sprot?
Oliver Coppard
''For the record this is the letter I sent requesting the change, so we could use the £30M for the reopening costs at DSA, rather than for the proposed rail link.
I would certainly consider this a sufficiently formal request''
https://twitter.com/olivercoppard/status/1749789542217912402
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Or this:
''South Yorkshire’s Mayor, Oliver Coppard, has announced that the region will take a major step toward re-opening Doncaster-Sheffield Airport (DSA) and allow for a 10-year plan to drive economic growth in Doncaster, subject to the decision of the Mayoral Combined Authority Board on 13 February 2024''
https://southyorkshire-ca.gov.uk/news/article/2b1a1a33-b81d-421b-a9d1-d9e86547d585
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I have no idea what Nick Fletcher did or didn’t do with regards getting the deal over the line but I can remember him highlighting quite a few times on the news that the airport should be reopened.
He did keep it in vogue.
He obviously led the whole thing hound.
It wasn't Ros Jones and her cabinet that worked hard for months on end to see this result, and threatening Peel with a CPO, it was Nick having his photo taken outside the Airport that did the trick.
I'm sure he was right when he wrote that the Council had closed it in the first place.
You can't trust them hound, you old wind up merchant.
Vote T.... Oh I forgot.
What Fletcher did was continuously lobby the local Labour Mayor Coppard to utilise funding streams he has access to due to devolution to the tune of £2.4 billion. Coppard did his level best to claim he had no such resources and in any case could not spend a penny on the Airport, it got to the point where the Government had to step in and tell Coppard that he could spend his funds on reopening the Airport! Ollie the wally actually tried to play politics and went on to claim the Government was preventing him from spending £30 million allocated for the construction of a Rail link into DSA.
It was all a bit embarrassing really, as he had hoisted himself by his own Petard by failing to lend Peel £20 million which caused them to close it, He has gradually realised that he had undermined the City of Doncaster and also severely reduced his own place in the Pecking order of other Northern Mayors, such as Burnham and co. He had walked into a job where he was a lower Premiership manager and by his own stupidity and lack of foresight he lowered his status to a lowly league 2 manager, South Yorkshhire had under his tenure moved from being a large Metropolitain region boasting its own international Airport boasting an 800 acre advanced engineering business park(Gate way East) to the only Metropolitan area without an
Airport! Plus any interest in companies thinking about moving onto Gateway East had wilted. Thankfully those pesky Tories have made the area a development zone and provided £160 worth of funding ..how dare they!
Thats just b*llocks and you know it
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For someone who considers himself to be a historian he doesn't do facts, our Sprotty.
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Not sure if this is relevant sprot?
Oliver Coppard
''For the record this is the letter I sent requesting the change, so we could use the £30M for the reopening costs at DSA, rather than for the proposed rail link.
I would certainly consider this a sufficiently formal request''
https://twitter.com/olivercoppard/status/1749789542217912402
Not relevant he was put in his place prior to that
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I have no idea what Nick Fletcher did or didn’t do with regards getting the deal over the line but I can remember him highlighting quite a few times on the news that the airport should be reopened.
He did keep it in vogue.
He obviously led the whole thing hound.
It wasn't Ros Jones and her cabinet that worked hard for months on end to see this result, and threatening Peel with a CPO, it was Nick having his photo taken outside the Airport that did the trick.
I'm sure he was right when he wrote that the Council had closed it in the first place.
You can't trust them hound, you old wind up merchant.
Vote T.... Oh I forgot.
What Fletcher did was continuously lobby the local Labour Mayor Coppard to utilise funding streams he has access to due to devolution to the tune of £2.4 billion. Coppard did his level best to claim he had no such resources and in any case could not spend a penny on the Airport, it got to the point where the Government had to step in and tell Coppard that he could spend his funds on reopening the Airport! Ollie the wally actually tried to play politics and went on to claim the Government was preventing him from spending £30 million allocated for the construction of a Rail link into DSA.
It was all a bit embarrassing really, as he had hoisted himself by his own Petard by failing to lend Peel £20 million which caused them to close it, He has gradually realised that he had undermined the City of Doncaster and also severely reduced his own place in the Pecking order of other Northern Mayors, such as Burnham and co. He had walked into a job where he was a lower Premiership manager and by his own stupidity and lack of foresight he lowered his status to a lowly league 2 manager, South Yorkshhire had under his tenure moved from being a large Metropolitain region boasting its own international Airport boasting an 800 acre advanced engineering business park(Gate way East) to the only Metropolitan area without an
Airport! Plus any interest in companies thinking about moving onto Gateway East had wilted. Thankfully those pesky Tories have made the area a development zone and provided £160 worth of funding ..how dare they!
Thats just b*llocks and you know it
Prove me wrong mr one liner?
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I have no idea what Nick Fletcher did or didn’t do with regards getting the deal over the line but I can remember him highlighting quite a few times on the news that the airport should be reopened.
He did keep it in vogue.
He obviously led the whole thing hound.
It wasn't Ros Jones and her cabinet that worked hard for months on end to see this result, and threatening Peel with a CPO, it was Nick having his photo taken outside the Airport that did the trick.
I'm sure he was right when he wrote that the Council had closed it in the first place.
You can't trust them hound, you old wind up merchant.
Vote T.... Oh I forgot.
What Fletcher did was continuously lobby the local Labour Mayor Coppard to utilise funding streams he has access to due to devolution to the tune of £2.4 billion. Coppard did his level best to claim he had no such resources and in any case could not spend a penny on the Airport, it got to the point where the Government had to step in and tell Coppard that he could spend his funds on reopening the Airport! Ollie the wally actually tried to play politics and went on to claim the Government was preventing him from spending £30 million allocated for the construction of a Rail link into DSA.
It was all a bit embarrassing really, as he had hoisted himself by his own Petard by failing to lend Peel £20 million which caused them to close it, He has gradually realised that he had undermined the City of Doncaster and also severely reduced his own place in the Pecking order of other Northern Mayors, such as Burnham and co. He had walked into a job where he was a lower Premiership manager and by his own stupidity and lack of foresight he lowered his status to a lowly league 2 manager, South Yorkshhire had under his tenure moved from being a large Metropolitain region boasting its own international Airport boasting an 800 acre advanced engineering business park(Gate way East) to the only Metropolitan area without an
Airport! Plus any interest in companies thinking about moving onto Gateway East had wilted. Thankfully those pesky Tories have made the area a development zone and provided £160 worth of funding ..how dare they!
Thats just b*llocks and you know it
Prove me wrong mr one liner?
You made the allegations, you prove yourself right
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Not sure if this is relevant sprot?
Oliver Coppard
''For the record this is the letter I sent requesting the change, so we could use the £30M for the reopening costs at DSA, rather than for the proposed rail link.
I would certainly consider this a sufficiently formal request''
https://twitter.com/olivercoppard/status/1749789542217912402
Not relevant he was put in his place prior to that
You'll be providing proof of couse sprot?
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With apologies for the length of the post, and its tone.
I do not like divisive, confrontational politics but at this point - alongside Ros Jones - I feel like I have little choice but to respond to Nick Fletcher MP, who has been doing his best to distract from the total lack of government support we’ve had in South Yorkshire, for our continued efforts to reopen DSA.
I’m deeply sorry that Nick continues to choose to mislead people, rather than helping us to get some real support from the government for our efforts.
To correct the record:
- The money referred to by Nick Fletcher in his recent post has been *notionally* allocated to South Yorkshire for the period 2027 to 2032. Not a single penny of the money Nick is talking about is available to us today. We may never even get it. Even if/when we do get to access that funding, the final say over how we spend that money is made by Nick’s Conservative colleagues in the government. That is the same process as was used for the last round of money, CRSTS1. We do not have control over that money locally.
- For example, in 2022 the Combined Authority allocated £30 million from the first round of CRSTS for the rail project to the airport in Doncaster; money which we have not been allowed to spend. Doncaster Council asked the government – Nick’s colleagues and friends – to let us spend that money on reopening the airport. *They said no.* South Yorkshire is simply not allowed to spend any money from CRSTS without the agreement of the government, and they only allow us to spend money on the things they want to see happen.
- The government has said that the so called ‘Network North’ proposals are their plans for how to spend the £36 billion they have supposedly saved by cancelling another project in the North – the HS2 leg to Manchester. They did not include DSA in those plans, nor did they ask us what our priorities would be before they announced those plans. I have repeatedly asked the government why.
- However, anyone who has been paying attention over the last year knows that the problem from day one has never just been the money; it has been that Peel are a private company who did not want to sell the airport. The only people who could maybe have changed the law - or used existing laws like the Civil Contingencies Act – to force Peel to change their minds, to keep the airport open, are the government. They chose not to help. This is despite the Prime Minister – Liz Truss – saying in the House of Commons she would ‘do everything she could to save DSA’. She did literally nothing.
Both Doncaster Council and my team here at the Combined Authority are working tirelessly to reopen DSA; pursuing both a CPO and a lease. We have continued to fight Peels plans for the land DSA sits on, which is why we have been able to force them to the negotiating table.
We have so far had no help from the government at all. They have made no money available to us in response to our repeated requests for help, and made no efforts to use the tools they do have to help us, despite saying they would ‘do everything they could to save DSA’. Despite the lack of help from the government, we will use the money we have available to us locally to try and reopen DSA, if Peel do agree to a lease. We will pursue a CPO if not.
Perhaps people might like to join me in asking Nick Fletcher MP why his colleagues and friends in government chose to turn down our request to use the £30 million CRSTS money we have available today, which was supposed to be spent in Doncaster?
One thing I know for sure is that we are much more likely to reopen DSA if we work together across South Yorkshire. Whether the government choose to help us or not, the least Nick could do would be to stop seeking to mislead and misdirect people in the hope of creating arguments, and dividing the communities of Doncaster and South Yorkshire.
The success of Sheffield relies on the success of Doncaster. The success of Rotherham relies on Barnsley. And vice-versa. We are one region, one community, and I will do everything in my power to spread wealth, opportunity and success to every corner of South Yorkshire. That includes doing everything I can to reopen DSA.
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Personally on the politics of it;
Fletcher is right to raise a number of points, the local devolved politicians have made mistakes, particularly the SY mayor who could and should have done much more.
They are then quite right to call out that the conservative government has offered nothing of note throughout the issue, including him.
The local council have IMO so far done a brilliant job at doing this in a professional, quiet manner following clear processes, though I still believe the SY mayor should have intervened before closure in a much better way.
But overall actually the campaigning from all sides has driven a strong outcome and that's vital in politics. Fletcher has talked some proper rubbish at times but that constant pressure does help to keep the local authorities on their toes. It's vital we have that in this area rather than a one party monopoly. It's created good debate regardless of doing much of substance.
I think a lease led by the authorities but run by a good private operator is a good way forward, it would probably be stronger if the site was owned, but a long lease is as good as that. What I think has been clear is that the local population don't want another warehouse site, it wants an airport and it's an airport that if they get it right can really thrive. Good location, easy to get to and a local area that embraces it. It just needs a slightly better public transport offering, particularly by rail and it'll thrive with the right operators.
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Some good points there!
The local authorities can do something about the rail link as they can access the £30 million, but I understand that they must also put £20 Million into the investment!
When Coppard approached the Government for the money to be Vied he was playing Politics as he would have been advised by whoever manages the Regions funding streams,that the money could only be used for the Rail link.
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Some good points there!
The local authorities can do something about the rail link as they can access the £30 million, but I understand that they must also put £20 Million into the investment!
When Coppard approached the Government for the money to be Vied he was playing Politics as he would have been advised by whoever manages the Regions funding streams,that the money could only be used for the Rail link.
More rubbish
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Some good points there!
The local authorities can do something about the rail link as they can access the £30 million, but I understand that they must also put £20 Million into the investment!
When Coppard approached the Government for the money to be Vied he was playing Politics as he would have been advised by whoever manages the Regions funding streams,that the money could only be used for the Rail link.
More rubbish
Prove me wrong!
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Personally on the politics of it;
Fletcher is right to raise a number of points, the local devolved politicians have made mistakes, particularly the SY mayor who could and should have done much more.
They are then quite right to call out that the conservative government has offered nothing of note throughout the issue, including him.
The local council have IMO so far done a brilliant job at doing this in a professional, quiet manner following clear processes, though I still believe the SY mayor should have intervened before closure in a much better way.
But overall actually the campaigning from all sides has driven a strong outcome and that's vital in politics. Fletcher has talked some proper rubbish at times but that constant pressure does help to keep the local authorities on their toes. It's vital we have that in this area rather than a one party monopoly. It's created good debate regardless of doing much of substance.
I think a lease led by the authorities but run by a good private operator is a good way forward, it would probably be stronger if the site was owned, but a long lease is as good as that. What I think has been clear is that the local population don't want another warehouse site, it wants an airport and it's an airport that if they get it right can really thrive. Good location, easy to get to and a local area that embraces it. It just needs a slightly better public transport offering, particularly by rail and it'll thrive with the right operators.
An interesting point pud, DSA was a private enterprise, what could the SY Mayor have done, what powers did/does he have that would have been useful in preventing of DSA closing without the support of the government?
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Some good points there!
The local authorities can do something about the rail link as they can access the £30 million, but I understand that they must also put £20 Million into the investment!
When Coppard approached the Government for the money to be Vied he was playing Politics as he would have been advised by whoever manages the Regions funding streams,that the money could only be used for the Rail link.
More rubbish
Prove me wrong!
You’ve yet to prove yourself right from your first load of b*llocks
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There's a bit more here on that, thanks for posting phil.
''Two Boeing 727's owned by 2Excel Aviation and operating on behalf of Oil Spill Response Limited were relocated to Teesside Airport from Doncaster Sheffield Airport in November 2022. The aircraft are deployed anywhere in the world in the event of a major oil spill to spray dispersant material.[65]''
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teesside_International_Airport
2excel said they would be bringing there fleet back to DSA once reopened as they are still based there. Here is there recent statement from the last few days.
STATEMENT: The Future Of Doncaster-Sheffield Airport
Since Peel Group announced the closure of Doncaster-Sheffield Airport back in 2022, 2Excel has been continuously engaged with City of Doncaster Council to support the local authority’s ambition to reopen the airport.
Doncaster airport is a nationally significant, strategic asset that should never have been allowed to close. The loss of 2Excel’s Main Operating Base has cost our Company millions of pounds in additional expenses from being forced to relocate our aircraft and engineering functions to a clutch of other airports.
We are greatly appreciative of the Council’s tireless efforts to take on a lease for the DSA site and its determination to restore commercial air transport. While returning Doncaster’s facilities to what we previously enjoyed may take many months, we are together exploring options that would enable unlicensed flights to and from the site, similar to how we operate at Lasham airfield, home of our sister company 2Excel Engineering, until such a time that Doncaster reopens to commercial traffic.
We want to reiterate our support for City of Doncaster Council and the fantastic work they’ve completed so far, never losing sight of the end goal of reopening the airport by partnering with an established operator. Reopening would see 2Excel restart flight operations from Hangar 3, bringing back high-value, highly-skilled and well-paid jobs to the local area and pave the way to increase our presence at the site to match our Company’s ambitious growth plans.
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That is really positive news.
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That is really positive news.
Yes and the lease should have secured the future of the Vulcan, hopefully she can be given a proper Hangar and turn it into a visitors centre.
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Some good points there!
The local authorities can do something about the rail link as they can access the £30 million, but I understand that they must also put £20 Million into the investment!
When Coppard approached the Government for the money to be Vied he was playing Politics as he would have been advised by whoever manages the Regions funding streams,that the money could only be used for the Rail link.
More rubbish
Prove me wrong!
You’ve yet to prove yourself right from your first load of b*llocks
No I am not wasting 2 hours of my life to prove you wrong just go on Fletchers FB page or look at the Free Press!
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Do you have slow internet sprot?
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Some good points there!
The local authorities can do something about the rail link as they can access the £30 million, but I understand that they must also put £20 Million into the investment!
When Coppard approached the Government for the money to be Vied he was playing Politics as he would have been advised by whoever manages the Regions funding streams,that the money could only be used for the Rail link.
More rubbish
Prove me wrong!
You’ve yet to prove yourself right from your first load of b*llocks
No I am not wasting 2 hours of my life to prove you wrong just go on Fletchers FB page or look at the Free Press!
But you expect others to waste 2 hours of their lives to prove you wrong
Fletchers facebook page only has his words and those who blindly follow him, anyone that challenges his words are blocked without explanation or counter points to the challenges made, you are obviously in the first group, I am in the second group along with many others
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I'm glad someone's put the record straight on Fletcher. At best, you could say he kept banging the drum but unfortunately he misled the public on a number of occasions, making claims about funding and the ability to buy the airport etc. In addition, he was rebuked more than once for jeopardising negotiations with Peel with his false reporting. On top of that, he went through the motions of calling for a public enquiry in the House of Commons knowing full well, this wasn't an issue of sufficient national interest to justify a public enquiry.
Just sad that he's just a political opportunist, like many of them on both sides, but it's assuring that Ros Jones and the team led by DMBC have been thoroughly professional by conducting their feasibilities and negotiations behind the scenes to get this far. They are the ones who really mattered and have used what powers they had to good effect knowing a CPO was always a very last resort.
We all know there's risks involved, particularly with public funds, and should the airport re-open, there's no guarantee of success but this way, it's going to have the best opportunity without being a huge drain on public funds.
The hard work must continue whilst Fletcher gets on with what he does best, like blaming DMBC for M&S closing the town centre store.
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Fletcher has a point there, DMBC fixated on parking charges making the Town centre unattractive to Motorists! No doubt he’s wrong on that one too!
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Personally on the politics of it;
Fletcher is right to raise a number of points, the local devolved politicians have made mistakes, particularly the SY mayor who could and should have done much more.
They are then quite right to call out that the conservative government has offered nothing of note throughout the issue, including him.
The local council have IMO so far done a brilliant job at doing this in a professional, quiet manner following clear processes, though I still believe the SY mayor should have intervened before closure in a much better way.
But overall actually the campaigning from all sides has driven a strong outcome and that's vital in politics. Fletcher has talked some proper rubbish at times but that constant pressure does help to keep the local authorities on their toes. It's vital we have that in this area rather than a one party monopoly. It's created good debate regardless of doing much of substance.
I think a lease led by the authorities but run by a good private operator is a good way forward, it would probably be stronger if the site was owned, but a long lease is as good as that. What I think has been clear is that the local population don't want another warehouse site, it wants an airport and it's an airport that if they get it right can really thrive. Good location, easy to get to and a local area that embraces it. It just needs a slightly better public transport offering, particularly by rail and it'll thrive with the right operators.
An interesting point pud, DSA was a private enterprise, what could the SY Mayor have done, what powers did/does he have that would have been useful in preventing of DSA closing without the support of the government?
Here you go Skippy,
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/potential-use-of-funding-settlements-for-doncaster-sheffield-airport
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Fletcher has a point there, DMBC fixated on parking charges making the Town centre unattractive to Motorists! No doubt he’s wrong on that one too!
Doncaster Council, like Local Authorities, will have little option in that area. The costs of looking after vulnerable children and adults are rising exponentially, central government settlement through the formula grants (especially for northern councils) is squeezed further under Tory governments. Borrowing to fund revenue spending is not sustainable, there are limits on how far council tax increases can be imposed, so raising discretionary charges is sadly inevitable to fund the delivery of essential services. Neither elected members nor officers (most of whom I expect live in the city) will revel in increasing parking charges. But honestly, what do you expect them to do? They have to balance the budget. There are statutory services that they must deliver, but the funding support just isn’t there. It’s broken and that will be a huge challenge for the incoming Labour Goverment, but we must surely hope they’ll aim to deliver are fairer and more equitable society than the current mob. Even the dyed in the wool tories on here must surely see that this is broken and that invariably the northern towns and cities suffer the most. The numbers are all there for you.
Huge credit to the mayor and to the council for their roles in getting the airport ready to reopen. It’s to be hoped that it can prove to be the catalyst to bring some much needed prosperity back to the area. I agree fully with BFYP that better transport links are crucial and they must be one of the key strategic investment priorities.
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I have no idea what Nick Fletcher did or didn’t do with regards getting the deal over the line but I can remember him highlighting quite a few times on the news that the airport should be reopened.
He did keep it in vogue.
He obviously led the whole thing hound.
It wasn't Ros Jones and her cabinet that worked hard for months on end to see this result, and threatening Peel with a CPO, it was Nick having his photo taken outside the Airport that did the trick.
I'm sure he was right when he wrote that the Council had closed it in the first place.
You can't trust them hound, you old wind up merchant.
Vote T.... Oh I forgot.
What Fletcher did was continuously lobby the local Labour Mayor Coppard to utilise funding streams he has access to due to devolution to the tune of £2.4 billion. Coppard did his level best to claim he had no such resources and in any case could not spend a penny on the Airport, it got to the point where the Government had to step in and tell Coppard that he could spend his funds on reopening the Airport! Ollie the wally actually tried to play politics and went on to claim the Government was preventing him from spending £30 million allocated for the construction of a Rail link into DSA.
It was all a bit embarrassing really, as he had hoisted himself by his own Petard by failing to lend Peel £20 million which caused them to close it, He has gradually realised that he had undermined the City of Doncaster and also severely reduced his own place in the Pecking order of other Northern Mayors, such as Burnham and co. He had walked into a job where he was a lower Premiership manager and by his own stupidity and lack of foresight he lowered his status to a lowly league 2 manager, South Yorkshhire had under his tenure moved from being a large Metropolitain region boasting its own international Airport boasting an 800 acre advanced engineering business park(Gate way East) to the only Metropolitan area without an
Airport! Plus any interest in companies thinking about moving onto Gateway East had wilted. Thankfully those pesky Tories have made the area a development zone and provided £160 worth of funding ..how dare they!
Thats just b*llocks and you know it
Prove me wrong mr one liner?
You made the allegations, you prove yourself right
From Fletchers FB page
AIRPORT ARTICLE RESPONSE
I have to call this out. This is classic misinformation. This Mirror article is such a travesty. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-ministers-block-30m-cash-31928642
It totally blames Government when the issue is with #TheTwoMayors.
Local Labour leaders have the power to raise £900 million through gainshare to save the airport. In South Yorkshire they chose not to do so in 2022. Ben Houchen who is a Conservative Mayor did it in Teesside and saved the airport. Their economy is rocketing now. Compare and contrast them with us.
In 2023 they received guarantees of £1.455 billion for Transport projects. Yet they still refuse to use the £900 million that could save our airport or make it ready for any future operator. Why?
Let’s look at what’s they say and what they do.
WHAT THEY SAY the airport is their Number 1 priority. They say they will do all they can to save the airport.
WHAT THEY DO. They allocate £2 million for the airport.
They allocate £596 million for Sheffield and its Supertrams.
They do not raise money through gainshare for the airport.
They agree that buses are their Number 1 priority.
They blame Government for not acting when it is they who have the devolved powers.
They are not only being disingenuous, they use every trick in the book to play party politics and it’s not on. The £30 million is for the airport rail link. Unless they’ve given up on the airport, we must not allow that cash to be earmarked for anything else.
I always ask to be judged on my actions. The local Labour leaders need to be too. This is yet another example of why we should vote in the consultation for this Mayor not to have more powers and responsibilities. He can’t even exercise the ones he has in a competent way. We don’t want him having even more opportunity to get it wrong and blame government for his lack of action. We are the ones who will suffer.
The link is here: #SayNO to #SaveDSA.
https://www.homeofficesurveys.homeoffice.gov.uk/s/south-yorkshire-pcc-functions-transfer/
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Fletcher has a point there, DMBC fixated on parking charges making the Town centre unattractive to Motorists! No doubt he’s wrong on that one too!
Doncaster Council, like Local Authorities, will have little option in that area. The costs of looking after vulnerable children and adults are rising exponentially, central government settlement through the formula grants (especially for northern councils) is squeezed further under Tory governments. Borrowing to fund revenue spending is not sustainable, there are limits on how far council tax increases can be imposed, so raising discretionary charges is sadly inevitable to fund the delivery of essential services. Neither elected members nor officers (most of whom I expect live in the city) will revel in increasing parking charges. But honestly, what do you expect them to do? They have to balance the budget. There are statutory services that they must deliver, but the funding support just isn’t there. It’s broken and that will be a huge challenge for the incoming Labour Goverment, but we must surely hope they’ll aim to deliver are fairer and more equitable society than the current mob. Even the dyed in the wool tories on here must surely see that this is broken and that invariably the northern towns and cities suffer the most. The numbers are all there for you.
Huge credit to the mayor and to the council for their roles in getting the airport ready to reopen. It’s to be hoped that it can prove to be the catalyst to bring some much needed prosperity back to the area. I agree fully with BFYP that better transport links are crucial and they must be one of the key strategic investment priorities.
I agree with you Jonathan, but they are losing revenue due to loss of business tax on the likes of M&S god knows how much M&S have been paying on their Frenchgate store but there aren’t losing anything now! The loss of M&S will kill off a great deal of footfall into the Town centre.
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Fletcher has a point there, DMBC fixated on parking charges making the Town centre unattractive to Motorists! No doubt he’s wrong on that one too!
Doncaster Council, like Local Authorities, will have little option in that area. The costs of looking after vulnerable children and adults are rising exponentially, central government settlement through the formula grants (especially for northern councils) is squeezed further under Tory governments. Borrowing to fund revenue spending is not sustainable, there are limits on how far council tax increases can be imposed, so raising discretionary charges is sadly inevitable to fund the delivery of essential services. Neither elected members nor officers (most of whom I expect live in the city) will revel in increasing parking charges. But honestly, what do you expect them to do? They have to balance the budget. There are statutory services that they must deliver, but the funding support just isn’t there. It’s broken and that will be a huge challenge for the incoming Labour Goverment, but we must surely hope they’ll aim to deliver are fairer and more equitable society than the current mob. Even the dyed in the wool tories on here must surely see that this is broken and that invariably the northern towns and cities suffer the most. The numbers are all there for you.
Huge credit to the mayor and to the council for their roles in getting the airport ready to reopen. It’s to be hoped that it can prove to be the catalyst to bring some much needed prosperity back to the area. I agree fully with BFYP that better transport links are crucial and they must be one of the key strategic investment priorities.
I agree with you Jonathan, but they are losing revenue due to loss of business tax on the likes of M&S god knows how much M&S have been paying on their Frenchgate store but there aren’t losing anything now! The loss of M&S will kill off a great deal of footfall into the Town centre.
It’s not simply Business Rates that are causing the closure of the M&S store. The city centre business is failing. It’s a great shame and I feel it as someone that grew up in the town. I know how important that store is particularly to the elderly community. But the fall in turnover is symptomatic of high street shopping trends and the huge shift online. The bigger cities are trying to move with the times and encourage more interactive city centre experiences but the death of the high street is a challenge facing all Local Authorities. A business rates subsidy wouldn’t save the Doncaster M&S, it’s a cut throat business decision and you can’t just lay the blame at the council’s door. People shop online increasingly now, and we’re seeing the consequence.
Aside from which if you do want to blame Business Rates, which you appear to be, who are you blaming?
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Can we keep this on topic!
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Fletcher has a point there, DMBC fixated on parking charges making the Town centre unattractive to Motorists! No doubt he’s wrong on that one too!
Doncaster Council, like Local Authorities, will have little option in that area. The costs of looking after vulnerable children and adults are rising exponentially, central government settlement through the formula grants (especially for northern councils) is squeezed further under Tory governments. Borrowing to fund revenue spending is not sustainable, there are limits on how far council tax increases can be imposed, so raising discretionary charges is sadly inevitable to fund the delivery of essential services. Neither elected members nor officers (most of whom I expect live in the city) will revel in increasing parking charges. But honestly, what do you expect them to do? They have to balance the budget. There are statutory services that they must deliver, but the funding support just isn’t there. It’s broken and that will be a huge challenge for the incoming Labour Goverment, but we must surely hope they’ll aim to deliver are fairer and more equitable society than the current mob. Even the dyed in the wool tories on here must surely see that this is broken and that invariably the northern towns and cities suffer the most. The numbers are all there for you.
Huge credit to the mayor and to the council for their roles in getting the airport ready to reopen. It’s to be hoped that it can prove to be the catalyst to bring some much needed prosperity back to the area. I agree fully with BFYP that better transport links are crucial and they must be one of the key strategic investment priorities.
I agree with you Jonathan, but they are losing revenue due to loss of business tax on the likes of M&S god knows how much M&S have been paying on their Frenchgate store but there aren’t losing anything now! The loss of M&S will kill off a great deal of footfall into the Town centre.
It’s not simply Business Rates that are causing the closure of the M&S store. The city centre business is failing. It’s a great shame and I feel it as someone that grew up in the town. I know how important that store is particularly to the elderly community. But the fall in turnover is symptomatic of high street shopping trends and the huge shift online. The bigger cities are trying to move with the times and encourage more interactive city centre experiences but the death of the high street is a challenge facing all Local Authorities. A business rates subsidy wouldn’t save the Doncaster M&S, it’s a cut throat business decision and you can’t just lay the blame at the council’s door. People shop online increasingly now, and we’re seeing the consequence.
Aside from which if you do want to blame Business Rates, which you appear to be, who are you blaming?
I am not blaming anyone, but there needs to be a search for a solution . Opening up some of the town centre to traffic is one of them!
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Can we keep this on topic!
Agreed
Well done to the two local mayors.
Fletcher is a proper Kitson isn't he.
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There's a long way to go yet with the airport yet,but so long as we can keep cnuts like Fletcher and his like minded supporters away from it we have a chance.
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Fletcher has a point there, DMBC fixated on parking charges making the Town centre unattractive to Motorists! No doubt he’s wrong on that one too!
Doncaster Council, like Local Authorities, will have little option in that area. The costs of looking after vulnerable children and adults are rising exponentially, central government settlement through the formula grants (especially for northern councils) is squeezed further under Tory governments. Borrowing to fund revenue spending is not sustainable, there are limits on how far council tax increases can be imposed, so raising discretionary charges is sadly inevitable to fund the delivery of essential services. Neither elected members nor officers (most of whom I expect live in the city) will revel in increasing parking charges. But honestly, what do you expect them to do? They have to balance the budget. There are statutory services that they must deliver, but the funding support just isn’t there. It’s broken and that will be a huge challenge for the incoming Labour Goverment, but we must surely hope they’ll aim to deliver are fairer and more equitable society than the current mob. Even the dyed in the wool tories on here must surely see that this is broken and that invariably the northern towns and cities suffer the most. The numbers are all there for you.
Huge credit to the mayor and to the council for their roles in getting the airport ready to reopen. It’s to be hoped that it can prove to be the catalyst to bring some much needed prosperity back to the area. I agree fully with BFYP that better transport links are crucial and they must be one of the key strategic investment priorities.
I agree with you Jonathan, but they are losing revenue due to loss of business tax on the likes of M&S god knows how much M&S have been paying on their Frenchgate store but there aren’t losing anything now! The loss of M&S will kill off a great deal of footfall into the Town centre.
It’s not simply Business Rates that are causing the closure of the M&S store. The city centre business is failing. It’s a great shame and I feel it as someone that grew up in the town. I know how important that store is particularly to the elderly community. But the fall in turnover is symptomatic of high street shopping trends and the huge shift online. The bigger cities are trying to move with the times and encourage more interactive city centre experiences but the death of the high street is a challenge facing all Local Authorities. A business rates subsidy wouldn’t save the Doncaster M&S, it’s a cut throat business decision and you can’t just lay the blame at the council’s door. People shop online increasingly now, and we’re seeing the consequence.
Aside from which if you do want to blame Business Rates, which you appear to be, who are you blaming?
This is something my town's council saw years ago when they were putting plans together to redevelop the town centre .
Town centre's are not just about shopping today in the way they once were .
Food , Drink and leisure are the vehicles that can drive consumers to town centre's which then creates the footfall for retail to prosper .
You create a town centre experience that people want to enjoy you'll see retail prosper .
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Personally on the politics of it;
Fletcher is right to raise a number of points, the local devolved politicians have made mistakes, particularly the SY mayor who could and should have done much more.
They are then quite right to call out that the conservative government has offered nothing of note throughout the issue, including him.
The local council have IMO so far done a brilliant job at doing this in a professional, quiet manner following clear processes, though I still believe the SY mayor should have intervened before closure in a much better way.
But overall actually the campaigning from all sides has driven a strong outcome and that's vital in politics. Fletcher has talked some proper rubbish at times but that constant pressure does help to keep the local authorities on their toes. It's vital we have that in this area rather than a one party monopoly. It's created good debate regardless of doing much of substance.
I think a lease led by the authorities but run by a good private operator is a good way forward, it would probably be stronger if the site was owned, but a long lease is as good as that. What I think has been clear is that the local population don't want another warehouse site, it wants an airport and it's an airport that if they get it right can really thrive. Good location, easy to get to and a local area that embraces it. It just needs a slightly better public transport offering, particularly by rail and it'll thrive with the right operators.
An interesting point pud, DSA was a private enterprise, what could the SY Mayor have done, what powers did/does he have that would have been useful in preventing of DSA closing without the support of the government?
Here you go Skippy,
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/potential-use-of-funding-settlements-for-doncaster-sheffield-airport
It doesn't answer the questions I asked spotty, maybe there's more than a slow internet connection?
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There's a long way to go yet with the airport yet,but so long as we can keep cnuts like Fletcher and his like minded supporters away from it we have a chance.
Yep, there's an expectation of 5 years of work before any profit.
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Personally on the politics of it;
Fletcher is right to raise a number of points, the local devolved politicians have made mistakes, particularly the SY mayor who could and should have done much more.
They are then quite right to call out that the conservative government has offered nothing of note throughout the issue, including him.
The local council have IMO so far done a brilliant job at doing this in a professional, quiet manner following clear processes, though I still believe the SY mayor should have intervened before closure in a much better way.
But overall actually the campaigning from all sides has driven a strong outcome and that's vital in politics. Fletcher has talked some proper rubbish at times but that constant pressure does help to keep the local authorities on their toes. It's vital we have that in this area rather than a one party monopoly. It's created good debate regardless of doing much of substance.
I think a lease led by the authorities but run by a good private operator is a good way forward, it would probably be stronger if the site was owned, but a long lease is as good as that. What I think has been clear is that the local population don't want another warehouse site, it wants an airport and it's an airport that if they get it right can really thrive. Good location, easy to get to and a local area that embraces it. It just needs a slightly better public transport offering, particularly by rail and it'll thrive with the right operators.
An interesting point pud, DSA was a private enterprise, what could the SY Mayor have done, what powers did/does he have that would have been useful in preventing of DSA closing without the support of the government?
Here you go Skippy,
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/potential-use-of-funding-settlements-for-doncaster-sheffield-airport
It doesn't answer the questions I asked spotty, maybe there's more than a slow internet connection?
Skippy let’s get one thing clear, I am not answering any questions from you I have posted some links in response to Filo, you need to go take a running jump ,good night Aye!
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Skippy let’s get one thing clear, I am not answering any questions from you I have posted some links in response to Filo, you need to go take a running jump ,good night Aye!
Skippy let’s get one thing clear, I am not answering any questions from you I have posted some links in response to Filo, you need to go take a running jump ,good night Aye!
Skippy let’s get one thing clear, I am not answering any questions from you I have posted some links in response to Filo, you need to go take a running jump ,good night Aye!
Skippy let’s get one thing clear, I am not answering any questions from you I have posted some links in response to Filo, you need to go take a running jump ,good night Aye!
Skippy let’s get one thing clear, I am not answering any questions from you I have posted some links in response to Filo, you need to go take a running jump ,good night Aye!
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Why does every thread that you are involved in seem to end in an argument. Whoever you are talking to?
This can’t be a coincidence surely?
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Why does every thread that you are involved in seem to end in an argument. Whoever you are talking to?
This can’t be a coincidence surely?
Idler, I think you need to go back through the whole topic and see where the blame lies before you point the bone at anyone.
Look who use childish epithets when they don't have answers and who use op-eds which they regard as evidence.
Start from post #366 when new information was posted then look to see who wants to discuss it and who is looking for an argument.
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Idler look at every one of Skippys posts before you point the bone at anyone?
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Why does every thread that you are involved in seem to end in an argument. Whoever you are talking to?
This can’t be a coincidence surely?
Idler, I think you need to go back through the whole topic and see where the blame lies before you point the bone at anyone.
Look who use childish epithets when they don't have answers and who use op-eds which they regard as evidence.
Start from post #366 when new information was posted then look to see who wants to discuss it and who is looking for an argument.
Syd
I am not on about this thread. I am talking about numerous threads. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but you seeem to get embroiled in arguments on almost every thread that you are involved in. I skip numerous threads like this missing any positive contribution that you might make because of of seemingly pointless posts.
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Why does every thread that you are involved in seem to end in an argument. Whoever you are talking to?
This can’t be a coincidence surely?
Idler, I think you need to go back through the whole topic and see where the blame lies before you point the bone at anyone.
Look who use childish epithets when they don't have answers and who use op-eds which they regard as evidence.
Start from post #366 when new information was posted then look to see who wants to discuss it and who is looking for an argument.
Syd
I am not on about this thread. I am talking about numerous threads. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but you seeem to get embroiled in arguments on almost every thread that you are involved in. I skip numerous threads like this missing any positive contribution that you might make because of of seemingly pointless posts.
If you are not interested at seeing both sides there is not much to say idler, other than many bring football forum tactics onto this board whereas on the main board the tactics appear to be how much support (numbers) one can get for ones argument.
Of course there a few arguments an pile-ons on the main board so I may be incorrect.
The other factor is I don't normally drink alcohol with my breakfast.
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I saw a mock up with graphics on Terminal showing "South Yorkshire City Airport"
Is that a "thing"
However as with the political rumblings on here it wouldn't matter (to me) what they called it as long as it was operating again
It is a total waste and almost a wasteland when you visit or pass through these days
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I saw a mock up with graphics on Terminal showing "South Yorkshire City Airport"
Is that a "thing"
However as with the political rumblings on here it wouldn't matter (to me) what they called it as long as it was operating again
It is a total waste and almost a wasteland when you visit or pass through these days
South Yorkshire Airport City is just the name of the project to reopen it, although its possible the name could be changed to South Yorkshire Airport. If they called it Doncaster South Yorkshire Airport, they could still call it DSA.
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Just booked our tickets, bit too early unfortunately.
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TFFT
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When I say this I say it as someone who wants Doncaster Airport to succeed , provide jobs and contribute to the economy of South Yorkshire .
I'm also speaking as someone who isn't from Doncaster but none the less is a holidaymaker Doncaster Airport wants to attract in good numbers .
I've always thought it was a bit of a ball ache to get to from where I live , I can get to Manchester , East Midlands or Leeds / Bradford easier and less if not the same amount of time .
Personally East Midlands is my choice if it fits where we are going and the flight times are acceptable .
Manchester isn't really my pot of char , too busy and I'm not the best flyer so I don't need the stress but I'll fly from there if it fits our criteria .
Leeds / Bradford we've never flown from as yet but it's an option before I'd consider Doncaster .
We like East Midlands because it's a breeze to get to , it's not mega busy and easy to negotiate , we leave the car five minutes walk away from the terminal and it's reasonably priced , £70 for a week .
I could well be missing a trick with Doncaster Airport and someone can make a case for us giving it a go in the future .
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I live in Leeds nowadays but still choose Manchester over LBA. It's the worst airport I've been to anything the world. Terrible transport links, awful cross-winds and a crap terminal.
Donny is my preferred option, particularly as I can leave the car parked with family and take a five minute taxi ride there. It's also quicker to get to Donny airport than LBA from South Leeds even though it's about 20 miles further.
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When I say this I say it as someone who wants Doncaster Airport to succeed , provide jobs and contribute to the economy of South Yorkshire .
I'm also speaking as someone who isn't from Doncaster but none the less is a holidaymaker Doncaster Airport wants to attract in good numbers .
I've always thought it was a bit of a ball ache to get to from where I live , I can get to Manchester , East Midlands or Leeds / Bradford easier and less if not the same amount of time .
Personally East Midlands is my choice if it fits where we are going and the flight times are acceptable .
Manchester isn't really my pot of char , too busy and I'm not the best flyer so I don't need the stress but I'll fly from there if it fits our criteria .
Leeds / Bradford we've never flown from as yet but it's an option before I'd consider Doncaster .
We like East Midlands because it's a breeze to get to , it's not mega busy and easy to negotiate , we leave the car five minutes walk away from the terminal and it's reasonably priced , £70 for a week .
I could well be missing a trick with Doncaster Airport and someone can make a case for us giving it a go in the future .
Obvs not sure exactly where you live Tyke. But just done a quick Google maps search of Barnsley to East Mids and Barnsley to Donny Airport. 1 hour and 5 to East Mids and 35 mins to Donny.
Just under 10 mins from the motorway. So I would say incredibly easy to get to.
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When I say this I say it as someone who wants Doncaster Airport to succeed , provide jobs and contribute to the economy of South Yorkshire .
I'm also speaking as someone who isn't from Doncaster but none the less is a holidaymaker Doncaster Airport wants to attract in good numbers .
I've always thought it was a bit of a ball ache to get to from where I live , I can get to Manchester , East Midlands or Leeds / Bradford easier and less if not the same amount of time .
Personally East Midlands is my choice if it fits where we are going and the flight times are acceptable .
Manchester isn't really my pot of char , too busy and I'm not the best flyer so I don't need the stress but I'll fly from there if it fits our criteria .
Leeds / Bradford we've never flown from as yet but it's an option before I'd consider Doncaster .
We like East Midlands because it's a breeze to get to , it's not mega busy and easy to negotiate , we leave the car five minutes walk away from the terminal and it's reasonably priced , £70 for a week .
I could well be missing a trick with Doncaster Airport and someone can make a case for us giving it a go in the future .
If you’re not the best of flyers, you’d never go Leeds Bradford again if you get a windy landing
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When I say this I say it as someone who wants Doncaster Airport to succeed , provide jobs and contribute to the economy of South Yorkshire .
I'm also speaking as someone who isn't from Doncaster but none the less is a holidaymaker Doncaster Airport wants to attract in good numbers .
I've always thought it was a bit of a ball ache to get to from where I live , I can get to Manchester , East Midlands or Leeds / Bradford easier and less if not the same amount of time .
Personally East Midlands is my choice if it fits where we are going and the flight times are acceptable .
Manchester isn't really my pot of char , too busy and I'm not the best flyer so I don't need the stress but I'll fly from there if it fits our criteria .
Leeds / Bradford we've never flown from as yet but it's an option before I'd consider Doncaster .
We like East Midlands because it's a breeze to get to , it's not mega busy and easy to negotiate , we leave the car five minutes walk away from the terminal and it's reasonably priced , £70 for a week .
I could well be missing a trick with Doncaster Airport and someone can make a case for us giving it a go in the future .
Obvs not sure exactly where you live Tyke. But just done a quick Google maps search of Barnsley to East Mids and Barnsley to Donny Airport. 1 hour and 5 to East Mids and 35 mins to Donny.
Just under 10 mins from the motorway. So I would say incredibly easy to get to.
I'm right on the Barnsley - Wakefield border so I reckon M1 South , M18 would be fine .
What's happened is bear with me , we've lived over the East side of Barnsley during the time Robin Hood has been opened before moving back over this way last year , the wife had relatives in Rossington and we've always gone in through Balby , Racecourse roundabout to Rossington and more times than not the traffic is horrendous and it's distorted my view of getting to Robin Hood .
Will look at this from now on .
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When I say this I say it as someone who wants Doncaster Airport to succeed , provide jobs and contribute to the economy of South Yorkshire .
I'm also speaking as someone who isn't from Doncaster but none the less is a holidaymaker Doncaster Airport wants to attract in good numbers .
I've always thought it was a bit of a ball ache to get to from where I live , I can get to Manchester , East Midlands or Leeds / Bradford easier and less if not the same amount of time .
Personally East Midlands is my choice if it fits where we are going and the flight times are acceptable .
Manchester isn't really my pot of char , too busy and I'm not the best flyer so I don't need the stress but I'll fly from there if it fits our criteria .
Leeds / Bradford we've never flown from as yet but it's an option before I'd consider Doncaster .
We like East Midlands because it's a breeze to get to , it's not mega busy and easy to negotiate , we leave the car five minutes walk away from the terminal and it's reasonably priced , £70 for a week .
I could well be missing a trick with Doncaster Airport and someone can make a case for us giving it a go in the future .
Obvs not sure exactly where you live Tyke. But just done a quick Google maps search of Barnsley to East Mids and Barnsley to Donny Airport. 1 hour and 5 to East Mids and 35 mins to Donny.
Just under 10 mins from the motorway. So I would say incredibly easy to get to.
I'm right on the Barnsley - Wakefield border so I reckon M1 South , M18 would be fine .
What's happened is bear with me , we've lived over the East side of Barnsley during the time Robin Hood has been opened before moving back over this way last year , the wife had relatives in Rossington and we've always gone in through Balby , Racecourse roundabout to Rossington and more times than not the traffic is horrendous and it's distorted my view of getting to Robin Hood .
Will look at this from now on .
Great Yorkshire way, Junction 3 M18, takes you straight to the airport, less than 5 mins, same road also takes you into Rossington through the old pit site
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When I say this I say it as someone who wants Doncaster Airport to succeed , provide jobs and contribute to the economy of South Yorkshire .
I'm also speaking as someone who isn't from Doncaster but none the less is a holidaymaker Doncaster Airport wants to attract in good numbers .
I've always thought it was a bit of a ball ache to get to from where I live , I can get to Manchester , East Midlands or Leeds / Bradford easier and less if not the same amount of time .
Personally East Midlands is my choice if it fits where we are going and the flight times are acceptable .
Manchester isn't really my pot of char , too busy and I'm not the best flyer so I don't need the stress but I'll fly from there if it fits our criteria .
Leeds / Bradford we've never flown from as yet but it's an option before I'd consider Doncaster .
We like East Midlands because it's a breeze to get to , it's not mega busy and easy to negotiate , we leave the car five minutes walk away from the terminal and it's reasonably priced , £70 for a week .
I could well be missing a trick with Doncaster Airport and someone can make a case for us giving it a go in the future .
If you’re not the best of flyers, you’d never go Leeds Bradford again if you get a windy landing
I'd been to Ireland with work a few years ago and flew back at 10pm on a Stobart Air/Aer Lingus turbo prop plane during a "named" storm. If you've ever watched videos of those landings at LBA where it looks like the plane is coming in sideways and tilting violently side to side you'll imagine how unpleasant that was. I always flew from Manchester after that experience!
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This is good news too .
https://www.businessdoncaster.co.uk/news/doncaster-giant-airship-plant-to-create-1200-jobs/
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Perhaps they will have fleets of flying arses based here?
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Update on the Airport from Ros Jones, says TUI are interested in coming back to the Airport if it re-opens.
https://www.facebook.com/100046941052068/posts/pfbid0CnZJRYTwGbp8MsQ4J7n4bBw63PFdrU7fbqLQF4UEFbBqfi3weuXyD8yWNyyBRWEPl/?app=fbl
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Update on the Airport from Ros Jones, says TUI are interested in coming back to the Airport if it re-opens.
https://www.facebook.com/100046941052068/posts/pfbid0CnZJRYTwGbp8MsQ4J7n4bBw63PFdrU7fbqLQF4UEFbBqfi3weuXyD8yWNyyBRWEPl/?app=fbl
Great news.
Hopefully the first flight is to Rwanda with Nick Fletcher on board.
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Coppard through with an open net decides to run all the way back to his own net for an own goal. We've gone from Ros Jones saying passenger flights will be 2026 to Coppard saying it'll be 2028 if it does even happen at all.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/politics/doncaster-sheffield-airport-no-passenger-flights-until-2028-5289072
Reform don't need to do much, Labour are doing it all for them.
Thank f*ck for devolution, the lovely people of Doncaster will get... *checks notes*... Better trams for Sheffield.
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Coppard through with an open net decides to run all the way back to his own net for an own goal. We've gone from Ros Jones saying passenger flights will be 2026 to Coppard saying it'll be 2028 if it does even happen at all.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/politics/doncaster-sheffield-airport-no-passenger-flights-until-2028-5289072
Reform don't need to do much, Labour are doing it all for them.
Thank f*ck for devolution, the lovely people of Doncaster will get... *checks notes*... Better trams for Sheffield.
Many a true word spoken in Jest!
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Worth listening to the save DSA podcasts the head of the old cargo at dsa said he could have cargo flying in and out within 48 hours.
Would imagine passenger flights would take a minimum of 6 to 12 months from an official opening date as airlines need to market and move aircraft and staff around or add new
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Absolute shambles. Jones campaigned solely on this as her big pledge yet seemingly getting nowhere. Just how much taxpayer money has now been spent for them to make a decision? Peel must be pissing themselves and what businesses out going to deal with an uncertain shambolic set up?
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Absolute shambles. Jones campaigned solely on this as her big pledge yet seemingly getting nowhere. Just how much taxpayer money has now been spent for them to make a decision? Peel must be pissing themselves and what businesses out going to deal with an uncertain shambolic set up?
Is anyone surprised that this was the big pledge from Jones, and shock horror, we are nowhere near getting things done.
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Absolute shambles. Jones campaigned solely on this as her big pledge yet seemingly getting nowhere. Just how much taxpayer money has now been spent for them to make a decision? Peel must be pissing themselves and what businesses out going to deal with an uncertain shambolic set up?
Is anyone surprised that this was the big pledge from Jones, and shock horror, we are nowhere near getting things done.
You forgot to mention Sir Herpes Lips did an election campaign meeting in one of the airport hangar, since which we've heard of governments support and extra finance for expansion at Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted, Luton.
Nothing, absolutely zero from any government official since.
Can you imagine if Boris Johnson did the same, promising that a northern area needing infrastructure support would be central to government policy and getting it, only for subsequent announcements to mention anywhere but here?
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At what point do we just except it’s a white elephant and move on? How much more money is thrown at it when there are tons of other problems and projects that could be supported? I get the economic impact of a successful airport, but I just feel other local airports are now so well established it will never be a success. Even it ever reopens for passenger flights, I think we will probably be having similar conversations in 10 years time when it’s losing money hand over fist
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Ermm it doesn't have Tram in the name which only benefits Sheffield and maybe Rotherham the airport will benefit South Yorkshire, Humberside, Nottinghamshire, Lincolnshire and oh hang on even West Yorkshire However having said that it needs to be brought back into service steadily But Coppard has delayed the decisions deliberate or not we will eventually see
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Maybe the government have intervened and decided to stall things then talk it up again and in 2028 reaffirm it’s promise to re-open DSA, you know, just before the next GE.